Guy is secretly loaded with cash but does not tell his gf, she leaves him then finds out from his friends that he has been hiding his wealth from her (hamestering ensues) Re-Post (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by MAX_Fury

I wanted to post this because it really is worth reading over and over again. It shows that this guy (Will) has mastered the mentality of an IDGAF attitude. It’s a great read.

Submitted originally by into-the-abyss

Tl;dr - My boyfriend kept his wealth a secret from me throughout our entire relationship. I ended the relationship on the pretext that he wasn't money/career motivated, he didn't say anything to the contrary.


I [F26] have been dating Will [M27] for most of 2014; I met him on New Years Eve, we exchanged numbers, scheduled a coffee date and have been seeing each other ever since. He's tall and shy, with long thick hair like Eddie Vedder. He lives in an older house by himself and drives a 1997 Toyota. He dresses very casually - I don't think he even owns a collared shirt - and all his clothes are minimum 1-2 years old. For income, he told me he "ran a few websites" and picked up piece-work as a 'session guitarist'. He is also very frugal. He never took me out for fancy dinners or anything. In the beginning it was always coffee dates, walks, hikes, etc. If we go out, he insists on 'pre-drinking' and refuses to buy drinks at a bar. Most nights he was content staying in, watching Netflix and playing his guitar. I never outright asked how much money he made, but given his lifestyle, clothes, furnishings, etc. plus the fact that he rarely worked, I assumed it wasn't much. I would lightly prod him with questions about the future, if he had any career goals - he would say that he "saw me in his future", but also he was "happy the way things were". I have Facebook and am on it every day, usually when work is slow. Lately my newsfeed has been filled with my peers getting married, buying houses, having babies, and other various accolades. I can't help but feel jealous by this; it seems like everyone but me is making significant gains in their lives and relationships. Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband, it felt like my relationship with Will was juvenile and had no future. The next time I was over at Will's (after he served me potato soup for dinner and was torrenting a documentary for us to watch later) I ended the relationship. I was perfectly honest about everything - he was a great guy, I loved him and his personality, but I felt he lacked career/life ambition and we wanted different things for the future. He sat and listened to everything, seemingly unmoved by it. When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave. I went to hug him on my way out, instead he just guided me out the door and slammed it shut behind him. With prior boyfriends, we'd still talk or text a bit after we'd be broken up. Sometimes we'd even still hook up. I dunno, I've just never had a 'bad break-up' and always try to remain on good terms. I haven't heard a fucking word from Will, even after texting him multiple times and calling him once. I saw two of Wills friends at the gym today. I went over and made small talk, asked how he was, etc. I tried to explain myself, saying he was a great guy but our views on money and the future didn't seem to mesh. To this, one friend chuckled to himself and walked away. I asked the other friend WTF that's about it, and he says "Yeah, we heard. The thing is, Will's loaded. He inherited his grandpas land which is leased to oil and gas companies. I've seen the quarterly checks he gets and they're more than my yearly salary. Good luck getting him to spend it, though. He has a 'if it aint broke, dont fix it' type mentality. Just look at that piece of shit he drives!" This has completely baffled and upset me. I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger. I am a 26 year old woman who needs to be pragmatic, I can't just indefinitely date someone with the future being so uncertain. He could've said something, ANYTHING during our break up when I was explaining my doubts about our relationship. Instead he said nothing, and now he refuses to talk to me. It makes absolutely no sense. I just feel so low right now. If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her? He said he "saw me in his future", why didn't he care enough to share these things with me? He could have easily kept our relationship alive by being forthcoming. Someone please help me make sense of this situation.

I really get a good laugh at the part where he served potato soup and torrented a documentary for them to watch, fucking hilarious, imagine doing that on your second date with today's modern women.

[–]ironblacksmith 293 points294 points  (8 children)

This was great. Even better if what the friends said was a lie orchestrated by them to see her reaction. Either way this guy doesn't give a fuck.

Also thought it was interesting that she thinks that was a bad break-up, and other clingy fuckers made for a good break-up. Obviously to her a good break-up is still getting validated by a dude after she's left him for other dick.

[–]Five_Decades 66 points67 points  (5 children)

That would be awesome if it was all a lie, I was hoping for that.

However, the way the guy handled it implied to me that he has mentally prepped himself for gold diggers, and he cut the woman out of his life the proper way so he probably does have wealth.

I know there are a lot of physicians and med students on this board, likely because those people know they have to deal with women who are going to try to use and manipulate them. The way that 'Will' handled things implies he knows his shit.

[–]eccentrus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

the way he handled and, oddly to some I know, how he lives, have 'old money' written all over it, that's practically how the multi-millionaires in my extended family behave.

[–]ShitlerParty 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but it's on topic so here it is again: I have been the one to initiate most of my breakups. None of those women wanted to remain friends. The few girls that broke up with me, however, wanted to stay in contact.

They need to feel control.

[–]MyReddit4 771 points772 points  (126 children)

"He could have easily kept our relationship alive by being forthcoming. Someone please help me make sense of this situation."

Sure, I'll help: You dumped him, you retard.

[–]aleexeo 345 points346 points  (51 children)

Admits she wouldn't have dumped him if she knew she could get money from him. Ain't that something.

[–]Milkshakes00 238 points239 points  (30 children)

But she stated right there that she isn't a gold digger. C'mon.

[–][deleted] 177 points178 points  (17 children)

Haha yeah that was great. "I dumped him because I thought he was a broke ass, but obviously I am not a gold digger because I typed 'I am not a gold digger'."

[–]Syggie 79 points80 points  (9 children)

When a woman feels the need to state something about her that should be obvious to the point of not mentioning it, well, then the opposite is the truth.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 39 points40 points  (0 children)

"No more drama for this mama!"

[–]2Overkillengine 32 points33 points  (0 children)

"Not here for hookups!"

Lol. Suuuuuure.

[–]Turquoise_HexagonSun 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"I'm a strong independent woman!"

~codependent woman who hasn't been single for longer than a week since she started dating when she was 14.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (3 children)

It is so embarrassing. Western women are literally memes and should be treated as such.

[–]reddymcwoody 66 points67 points  (2 children)

Even pepes have more personality

[–]Smooovies 19 points19 points [recovered]

Pepes are more rare than good western women.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 17 points18 points  (1 child)

With women, words are literally reality. They're not bound by pesky details like facts and objectivity.

[–]warcroft 54 points55 points  (4 children)

If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her?

No, shes not a gold digger. She just wants to be loved. Loved by money.

[–]Cgn38 31 points32 points  (1 child)

She needs to learn the definition of accolade.

Houses, babies and marriages are not accolades. They are shit other woman have she wants. Fucking paying for them is a nightmare for a male.

[–]omolicious 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Sounds more like she was convincing herself rather than the reader

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 45 points46 points  (3 children)

I ain't saying she a gold digger.

But she ain't messing with a broke nigga.

[–]grimreaperx2 55 points56 points  (3 children)

It's amazing. She let the jealousy of Facebook ruin her relationship. She had food, a place to stay, car, etc. everything. Not one mention about what she provided in the relationship and at the end "he should have saved the relationship". You willingly left after telling him it wasn't going to work out, but suddenly she finds out he has money so now it could have worked out. Someone please read her the definition of a gold-digger.

Edit: Added clarification and fixed typos.

[–]DumpyLips 62 points63 points  (12 children)

I think whats more important here is that regardless of his wealth he was a bit a of a lay about. Nothing wrong with it, his life his choice but women always say the reason why doctors are so attractive is because they're highly motivated and that is the quality they're drawn to. This guy didn't want to do shit but hang around but now suddenly his lack of motivation is charming.

[–]pbjandahighfive 51 points52 points  (10 children)

Yeah, they say that is what they are attracted to, but I'm willing to bet it's more about the money.

[–]Klldarkness 56 points57 points  (6 children)

Of course it is?

The proof is in exactly how many male doctors, that spend 99% of their time in 3rd world countries, make piss all.

All of them are either:


Or married to another doctor doing the same thing.

They are broke, and working to make a difference, IE super fucking motivated doctors, but they still aren't on a woman's radar for long.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

The guys who go off to Africa with Doctors Without Borders or something generally do very well with women when they're back. They have the potential to do well financially, and women see that in them while being turned on by the fact that he's mysterious and international. They think they can get them to settle down and practice in the US where they'll be rich and happy. Thing is, these guys don't do that all that often just for a woman. They're usually not looking to settle down, and they've got more than enough pussy once they come back.

Make no mistake. Those guys do just fine. They often end up with a female doctor doing the same thing because it's easier than keeping a semi-permanent long-term relationship, and because those are the women they meet (not to mention, a female doctor going international to provide care isn't go to settle for a normal guy either, so they seek these men out). I wouldn't want to be the guy competing with a handsome doctor who frequently goes to the third world, even if I made twice his salary.

[–]slyninja77 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I wouldn't worry about it. The U.S. Will take care of Doctors Without Borders...

[–]KonigInPreussen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not even money he earned. This newly-acknowledged pile of cash is no indicator of how clever or motivated he his. He simply had real lucky grandparents.

Still though, it makes her see him in a different light. This guy winning the lottery changes how she views him as a person. And she is still deluded enough to consider herself 'not a gold digger'.

[–]JerkyMcGee 92 points93 points  (1 child)

It's NEVER the girls fault. Always someone else's. Remember?

[–]Duliticolaparadoxa 471 points472 points  (57 children)

Lol its so painfully obvious. He was trying to find a girl that isnt in it for his money, so he stays lowkey as fuck to find someone who wants him and not his money, had she of been at peace with sharing her life with this other human being, the benefits would have came with that, but shes a greedy cunt and failed the test. Will is a goddamn genius and a prime example to how to act in the event you obtain a large sum of wealth. This is how you defend yourself from the epidemic of gold digging whores right here.

[–]mikehod 303 points304 points  (30 children)

I disagree. I don't think he was trying to find a girl at all. If anything, he is probably as willing to go without a woman as easily as he is able to go without the trappings of a wealthy lifestyle. I think the guy is intrinsically tight with a buck because he just doesn't have any desire to keep up with the neighbors. He knows what makes him happy, and money doesn't come into the equation. Obviously women do, but only on his terms.

[–]DewArmy 109 points109 points [recovered]

He knows what makes him happy [...] Obviously women do, but only on his terms.

This is the way to live. Even if you really are broke as fuck.

[–]KnowBrainer 44 points45 points  (5 children)

This works for me, and I'm broke as fuck. Sometimes you're so alpha that you don't even feel the need to prove to all the other people that you're alpha.

[–]AEther_Flux 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Enlightened people don't care about enlightenment.

[–]grewapair 47 points48 points  (6 children)

I can speak from personal experience on this. I started making a much higher income and decided to dress the part. I was immediately attacked by gold diggers who clearly were disinterested in me but wanted access to my money. It was worse than abstinence when the woman you're spending all sorts of money on clearly considers you beneath her.

So guess what, I stopped dressing the part. First of all, it wasn't making me any happier, just had to deal with more shit I didn't want to deal with: dry cleaners, shining shoes, etc. Second, the women it attracted weren't doing anything for me either, just sucking on my wallet.

So I drive an old Ford, dress in jeans an tennis shoes, etc. The women basically ignore me. Much happier this way.

[–]Darkuso 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No hunter wants a prey that gives itself.

[–]LateralThinkerer 14 points15 points  (1 child)

He knows that spending money on shit he doesn't need to impress people he could care less about is a pretty good means of maintaining yourself. In other words, he knows who he is and doesn't have to pay off someone to feel better about himself (unlike the wench who wrote the post).

To paraphrase Machiavelli, nobody ever went broke maintaining a reputation as a cheapskate, but spend yourself stupid trying to look cool and you'll be broke and everyone will hate you anyway.

[–]SoSaltyDoe 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Yeah, I really don't see what his being loaded has to do with anything. Dude just wasn't interested in keeping her around, could have cared less if she left. Whether or not the dude was loaded, I don't really see it going any differently. Maybe she'd have stuck it out more if she knew he was rich, but who knows.

[–]DewArmy 49 points49 points [recovered]

He probably saw her breakup speech for what it was, a golddigger revealing herself.

[–]Cgn38 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The "Get me what I want" speech. Awesomely handled.

[–]thetenman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree, why would he or any man want to be with a woman that does not want to be with them? The dude probably has other options and doesn't mind nexting his current one.

[–]ioncloud9 22 points23 points  (6 children)

Honestly some of the more frugal people can be completely irritating and party poopers with their inability to ever part with their money for anything. I save money but I also spend it on things I enjoy doing. I can see her point of view at being frustrated that he would rather eat potato soup and watch netflix than have hobbies or activities. But she broke up with him and thats her problem really. I dont think I would be friends with a guy like that though.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He has a girlfriend, a social life, a lifetime of financial security, and he plays guitar and is clearly pretty good. These are just the parts of his life she told us about. But I guess she wanted the moon.

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[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (3 children)

epidemic of gold digging whores

Have you seen Bill Burr's stand-up?

[–]cbnyc0 37 points38 points  (6 children)

I can kind of see from her perspective if she wanted to have kids and she didn't think his work ethic could support a family. But it doesn't sound like that's the conversation she was trying to have.

[–]themanbat 28 points29 points  (0 children)

She dumped him, and then explained it was because he didn't seem like he would ever have enough money to support her. Before that she's was only skirting the issue and never flat out asked him if thought he could support a family. If she had he might have spilled the beans about an inheretance, but probably wouldn't have mentioned how much.

But instead she dumps him saying that his personality isn't enough for her, and that she needs an ambitious man who will make plenty of cash. So he kicks that gold digger to the curb like a boss.

[–]tkreidolon 25 points26 points  (3 children)

She thinks HIS success is the only way for her to get anywhere in life. That's the most troubling aspect.

[–]ghostbrainalpha 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or her being jealous of her friend whose husband bought here THREE properties.

If he had married the girl, she would have blown all his cash in 5 years, then left for a guy with a better "personality".

[–]gringoloco80 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh I'm sure kids were on her mind. Read the part about Facebook and seeing all her friends doing all of that crap. She needs to keep up with them and validate herself by having kids and marrying into money...

[–]gringoloco80 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know..she even said herself he was great and everything was really good with him. Apparently it wasn't......I love how he didn't give a fuck when she dumped him. Stupid bitch

[–]beltwaytr 64 points65 points  (5 children)

I'd like to Hijack this top comment for a second just to say:

THIS IS HOW YOU SHIT TEST A WOMAN! Right here fellas! This post is what I've been spewing for years! You want to test the integrity of a chick you are looking to settle down with? Make your money situation a complete and utter mystery.

This shit test works easier for men who live below their means like our good friend William here. He doesn't buy the latest Iphone, he doesn't buy a bunch of fancy shit he doesn't need, and he doesn't live in the most expensive house he can buy. Why?

First and foremost it's almost always a waste of money, secondly women can gauge your wealth from the shit you buy! This is vital people write this down. You can't test a chick if your flaunting a new Rolex and designer clothes. To her that screams "Hey! I'm made of money right here!"

Hide your money, hide your assets, and sit back and watch. Don't reveal anything about your financial situation. Women usually get board within 6 to 12 months of dating and will stick around if it's financially beneficial. This is where the man's shit test bears fruit. OP thank you for posting this story as it's something the community needs to see and really understand.

Sure this funny as hell but don't miss this large nugget of knowledge. I know for a fact a lot of you guys like to show off, and that's fine if you want a quick piece of ass. However if you are trying to find more than playing "who has the STD" this shit test will help you weed them out a bit better.

[–]natman2939 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Men only wear rolex's and stuff like that to try to get laid.

The coolest thing to me about this story isn't so much "the test" but more that he was probably not testing. I think he just enjoyed a low key life and I always love those kind of people, I am one myself

[–]blue_27 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah. A rich dude who was content enough with potato soup that he serves it to his chick? Well done, sir. ... Well done.

I used to have a GREAT Top Ramen recipe, and I remember the girl I was dating trying to explain her joy to her co-workers when I told her that I was making Top Ramen for dinner that night.

Last g/f I had: "Why don't we go out to dinner more often?" ... "If you cooked more, we'd go out more." It was like telling her to piss in the corner of a round room.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 162 points163 points  (21 children)

I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger.

I felt he lacked career/life ambition and we wanted different things for the future.

"I'm not a gold digger, I just dumped him because he doesn't have any money."

Notice how when she's talking about the house, car, and third property there's not even the shadow of the thought that she could work hard and get these things for herself? The man is supposed to just hand her this stuff. So for an RP guy that has the self determination and luck to make it big, this is what you get to look forward to from your ex gf's. They will come sniffing around to see if they can still get something out of you. Kudos to this guy for weeding out a gold digger.

Edit: I honestly wonder if Will had talked to his friends, and they seized on an opportunity to fuck with her, knowing that she's a gold digger.

[–]SketchyBob 60 points60 points [recovered]

Yes, this is hilarious.

"I loved my boyfriend but I dumped him because he was poor. When I found out he was rich, I wanted to get back together. What's that you say? Why, yes, money is the most important thing in a relationship to me."


[–]BakerAtNMSU 42 points43 points  (3 children)

not just money. HIS money. her going out and making her own money never even seems to occur to her.

[–]SketchyBob 36 points36 points [recovered]

Very good point. Some people in the original thread asked op what she had bought him over the 10 months, but rather unsurprisingly she never replied to those posts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You know it has to be bad when a woman is getting her ass served to her on a platter in 2XC as well.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 58 points59 points  (11 children)

I'm going to go against the grain here and say I see nothing wrong with her. At first, she probably thought he had a lot of potential, then later found out he was going nowhere in life and was a risky bet for her potential children.

There's nothing wrong with that. That's her female porogotive. I mean, wouldn't you want to bounce out of a relationship if you found out the chick you were with was a huge slut in the past with a ton of baggage? She's risky towards your wallet, and your future relationship. She's a useless fuck, who is low value. So what the fuck is wrong with a woman who wants a guy who is doing things with his life? She doesn't want a loser, the same way you don't want a loser. Money is a good indicator that he's creating value in the world. That he's a man with purpose.

I completely 100% dissagree that a woman leaving a dude for being broke and directionless is somehow fucked up. And see nothing wrong with a girl including at least some level of financial stability as part of the foundations of a man... The same way you and I may consider looks and emotional stability as a foundation of her, on top of all the other things we look for in a partner.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Right, so as a guy that has disposable income, I can say I've worked hard to get to that state. My crazy ex was a gold digger by the textbook. Long story short, she found out that I had some cash and was trying to get all over me, while she was married. From personal experience, dealing with a gold digger is pretty disgusting. It's a mix of being insulted because she's reduced you as a person to the last line on your bank statement, pissed at watching her true self emerge from behind the mask, and being revolted at her total lack of personal ambition. True, this is all women to a degree, but a golddigger like the one in the post here carries it to an extreme.

I completely 100% dissagree that a woman leaving a dude for being broke and directionless is somehow fucked up. .

Except he isn't broke or directionless. By all accounts, he's exactly where he wants to be. He's just not doling out the gifts that she feels entitled to. When she mentions a third property, it's a bit beyond just being able to provide for a family. It's moved into extravagance. None of which she wanted to personally work towards. She wanted instant gratification and attempted a branch swing which backfired.

[–]Rathadin 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Thank, fucking, you. This is exactly what happened.

"Betty has so-and-so and such-and-such, I should have that shit too, after all, I've got a vagina!" * pouty-face *

Fuckin' disgusts me...

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 71 points72 points  (3 children)

He sat and listened to everything, seemingly unmoved by it. When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave. I went to hug him on my way out, instead he just guided me out the door and slammed it shut behind him.....I haven't heard a fucking word from Will, even after texting him multiple times and calling him once.

Will's Red Pill Level: Expert.

[–]Rathadin 39 points40 points  (2 children)

What's really funny is that I can tell Will didn't slam it shut, he probably just closed it behind her.

But because he didn't collapse into a fucking blubbering mess and cry and try to talk to her about it, it was the the emotional equivalent of slamming the door... so that makes it door rape, really.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian 102 points103 points  (3 children)

Fuck. Women are ridiculous. Comparing your life to someone else's is a sure fire way to fuck up your own.

Good job, lady.

[–]MadChestHairYuKnight 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Just because of Facebook. Fuck that woman.

[–]GhostOfAladdin 306 points306 points [recovered]

She was comparing her relationship with her facebook friends' relationships. Basic.

Facebook is typically a breeding house for westerners suffering from "Obsessive Comparison Disorder."

Will at 27 has a good 7 years of prime Tang' ahead of him, she is approaching the wall and needs that white picket fence life ahead to post on fb.

[–]ZioFascist 176 points177 points  (24 children)

its amazing that 'facebook' triggered this. not her own desires to be an adult or anything.

[–]laere 176 points177 points  (20 children)

Facebook literally convinced my sister to have a kid.

I don't use facebook much, but I remember her showing me all her friends posting pictures of their newborn babies. Pretty much a year later she got a bf and they just recently had a kid.

Facebook is a shithole and a disease.

[–]Tom_The_Human 79 points79 points [recovered]

Women have always compared themselves to their friends - Facebook has just made it easier to do so.

[–]yiab127 50 points51 points  (12 children)

Ehh, if it wasn't Facebook it would be relatives, friends, etc in person.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (3 children)

But then that's actually people communicating face to face, most of whom would not advise someone to have a child within a year of meeting someone because she's jealous.

[–]IndyBrodaSolo 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I don't use Facebook much

Don't use Facebook at all.

Never, ever trust Zuckerberg.

[–]Tipsy_Gnostalgic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a symptom, not the disease.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian 17 points18 points  (0 children)

First thing I noticed.

Yup, keep comparing yourself to some shit posted on FB. Great Idea.

[–]benuntu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not facebook, but her own insecurity feeding from her failure at having a successful career. Facebook just makes it seem acceptable because of the "everyone's doing it" syndrome.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (6 children)

keeping up with the jones isn't a new phenominon. the internet just makes it easier, and with larger groups

[–]myprimetime 71 points71 points [recovered]

no, it's worse.

In the real world, you get to see both the good and the bad.

Facebook/Instagram on the other hand is self selecting, so people just post the good stuff.

i.e. you have couples with lovey dovey facebook profiles, but in the real world if you lived next door, you'd know the guy hits and yells at her every night

or on facebook she might show her awesome life going to exotic locations all over the world....but if you lived next door, you'd know she works at the mall, and that last week her power was shut down for not paying the bills.

its like all the girls who go to a party, spend the whole night with their noses in their phones, then before heading home gather all the girls up, strike up a "wooo this is awesome!" fun pose. Because it's more important to make their facebook look awesome than actually living an awesome life.

that's why it's not a good idea to date girls who are obsessed with facebook. They only get to see the highlight reels of their friends lives, so they are always down/depressed because their life is nowhere close to that.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

the only hard and fast rule I have for women.

Never date a girl who didn't like "The Goonies"

[–]holytrpbatman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Chester Copperpot thanks you.

[–]StupidStrong 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Rest assured, the expiration date of Alpha is decades past your mid-30s, if ever.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Will at 27 has a good 7 years of prime Tang' ahead of him

Dewd. WAAAAAAAAAY more than 7 years, unless he's a total fuck-up or has some sort of asymmetric event (car accident resulting in paralysis/death, weird, undetected cancer) happen to him.

[–]HS-Thompson 29 points30 points  (14 children)

westerners suffering from "Obsessive Comparison Disorder."

That's a global problem, not a western problem. Go visit the east sometime it's hard to miss, sadly.

[–]rheinhart 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Exactly, I stopped reading when she called buying a house an "accolade" like that is some kind of achievement.

[–]SComm 6 points7 points  (3 children)

He's a musician, he has more than 7 years of good pussy ahead of him. Don't ever under estimate the power of being on a stage with an instrument in your hand.

[–]MGTOW_player 7 points8 points  (2 children)

With the money he has coming in, he will always have prime Tang.

[–]StupidStrong 20 points21 points  (1 child)

No. He will, because he has the right mindset.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 282 points282 points [recovered]

TLDR form:

I [F26] have been dating Will [M27] for most of 2014
I have Facebook and am on it every day
Lately my newsfeed has been filled with my peers getting married and other various accolades.
I can't help but feel jealous by this
After he served me potato soup for dinner and was torrenting a documentary for us to watch later
I ended the relationship
He sat and listened to everything, seemingly unmoved by it.
When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave.
I haven't heard a fucking word from Will, even after texting him multiple times and calling him once.
I saw two of Wills friends at the gym
I tried to explain myself, saying he was a great guy but our views on money and the future didn't seem to mesh.
Yeah, we heard. The thing is, Will's loaded.
He could've said something, ANYTHING during our break up
Instead he said nothing, and now he refuses to talk to me.
He said he "saw me in his future"
why didn't he care enough to share these things with me?

Lesson Learned:

Will's last words: If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best.

[–]Alqahid 218 points218 points [recovered]

"Fine by me" I'm happy there still is some hope in today's society.

[–]r3dast3rik09 149 points150 points  (14 children)

I want to buy Will a beer to thank him for not caving.

He's wealthy and pragmatic. She sounds so goddamn immature and it's sad (and expected) she doesn't see it. Watch her eventually beg will to take her back and Will smiles back, saying "I'm gonna Netflix and chill with myself."

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (12 children)

outcome independence... It's not talked about in here, but once you internalize it, the anger phase is like a quaint memory

[–]JustOutOfTime 18 points19 points  (11 children)

Can you elaborate on that a bit for a newbie?

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (7 children)

Outcome independence. It means just that, regardless of what happens, you aren't phased by it, because of abundance mentality. There is always another girl, another opportunity, and no one single person is worth making concessions for.

Now it's just a meaningless post like that. Reading NMMNG, manipulated man, and a few of the other readings will help internalize the depth behind that simple statement.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

This. Exactly This.

Prior to coming to terms with my independance I needed a relationship and I would often compromise to get it. I was lucky and had a reasonable relationship for several months before the girl passed away. Since then I've 'checked the market' and always come back with the assumption that I won't lower my standards, just because that's all that's available to me at this time. Whereas previously it would anger me that certain women wouldn't respond to me, or acknowledge me - I just accept it now and it doesn't phase me, it makes me more determined to move forward and develop myself independently without lowering standards.

Can't emphasise enough that 'There is always another girl, another opportunity and no one single person is worth making concessions for'.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

yup. the flipside of course. work your ass off so that it's a reality, and not just mental masturbation

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm about halfway through Manipulated Man and I'm not getting it yet. Some of the things are contradictory to other reading materials or seem like intentional exaggeration of reality or hyperbole for the sake of impact. I want to finish it then go back and reread it while writing up a post critiquing it. Nothing in it is untrue per se, but reading it is much like reading A Modest Proposal but it's harder to tell what's sarcasm and what isn't.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Try not to get too lost into details.

Everything I read in the manospehere talks about worst case/best case scenarios. In reality, the range is mostly somewhere in the middle, with the occasional hard left/right.

I read MM every 6 months or so. I find it to be an enlightening read into the mind of the 1.0 husband in a 2.0 world. It should read like a mans glengary glen ross speech. Get you riled up, and guilt free advancement of your own happiness.

[–]evileddy 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Say you are at a bar and you have a drink in your hand.

Someone bumps into you accidentally... or you are just damn drunk and clumsy and end up dropping the drink.

Do you get mad? Nah. You are in a bar, drinks are plentiful, enjoy going to get another drink, maybe this time try something else!

[–]AlphaJesus 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Hahhahahhahaha. Flipping the script with that Marilyn Monroe qoute is genius.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 8 points8 points [recovered]

yeah, credit goes to /u/akaelripley for showing me the trick when he asked for this picture in gaylubeoil's Triggerpocolypse.

[–]Gbcue 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Potato soup is freakin awesome.

[–][deleted] 193 points194 points  (2 children)


"I met this guy, I really liked him. Will owed it to me to be honest with me. That means he owed it to me to tell me about his money, so I could have decided to stay with him because he has assets.

"He lied to me by not telling me about his assets, which I could have used for my benefit. He owed it to me to share some of that money with me. He owed it to me to spread some of that wealth around by spending it on me and taking me to Europe for a nice vacation.

"He needed to tell me about his money because he could have stayed with me if he had. I wouldn't have broken up with him if he'd told me about his money. (But I'm not a gold digger...)

"We had sex a few times when it was "meh". I think he raped me. I've been grievously injured. Only money damages can heal and cure me of said injuries. Someone find a personal injury lawyer....."

[–]mugatucrazypills 35 points36 points  (0 children)

call 1-900 MIX-A-LOT , message board attorneys are standing by

[–]LugerDog 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Notice the constant factor here........ It's a fucking scary world when the rape part is true.

[–][deleted] 122 points123 points  (14 children)

Jesus Christ, if a girl were to invite me for home-made potato soup and a torrented movie - That would be LTR material right fucking there.

[–]d3gu 24 points25 points  (13 children)

My boyfriend and I are fairly comfortable - we go on dates, but most of the time it's food at home and a good movie. The last one was 'Doctor Strangelove', and I made soup (alas, not potato) and pasta.

An example of a date would be some nice seafood, then the theatre, a comedy show, the cinema or just a cocktail or gig/concert, or watching sports. Nothing fancy, just spending time together doing something fun.

I love home-made soup! Like you said, there's something so caring and nurturing about someone bringing you soup/casserole-type food.

Also, documentaries are awesome.

[–]trinitys_dildo 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Sounds like you guys have a good thing going.

Are you enjoying this sub ? Out of curiosity how "redpill" would you say your BF is ?

[–]d3gu 52 points53 points  (9 children)

I enjoy lots of subs on here, especially ones to do with human behaviour and relationships - I'm a (edit - trainee) relationship counsellor. I have a few theories on RP and alpha etc. which I find interesting.

My boyfriend isn't RP at all in the traditional sense. He makes me happy and I him. I am of the opinion that you can learn lots of things from different schools of thought, regardless of whether you agree with the whole thing or not.

We have discussed feminism etc. and are both 'equalists' as far as that sort of thing goes, and recognise that both genders get buggered on different things. I am a bit of men's right activist myself, having mainly worked in male-dominated jobs (engineering) before going into my current career. e.g. I have seen single-father friends being absolutely shat on by the benefits system, but then I have also seen lady friends (and myself) being unfairly treated for our gender - I know those things aren't always comparable, but hopefully you get my point?

We are both very much equals in the relationship, and it works for us... good for us, I guess. Not for everyone. Every couple is different, and I have learnt and read some good stuff on here, but also disagree with some (psuedo-science/soft-science and stats). Not enough to unsubscribe.

One thing I found interesting was how a lot of the 'unpleasant' behaviours of women mentioned resonated with me - in how I probably acted as a teenager (e.g. orbiters) - after all, everyone likes attention growing up, right? I guess the difference is that some women get past that need for validation.

[–]Interversity 32 points32 points [recovered]

I'd just like to applaud your self-awareness and level-headedness. Takes some work to read RP while realizing how extreme it is.

[–]d3gu 38 points39 points  (7 children)

It's like any philosophy, forum or school of thought. You get a group of people with a common interest and it kind of spirals from 'oh hey everyone, isn't this idea worth discussing' to 'Pump and Dump! Women are beautiful, mysterious, disgusting whores! I am alpha, I sniff crotch, beta sux'

.... yet underneath it all, there is some really really interesting and worthwhile things, and I would much rather be on here discussing this stuff with you guys than on a feminist subreddit. I'm actually banned from SRS for daring to point out that a huge amount of Eating Disorder sufferers are young men and teenaged boys. Because god forbid they deserve recognition and help /s.

Redditing is like panning for gold. It takes time, but it's worth it and you do learn stuff (if you are willing to take things with a pinch of salt). Also it's pretty cool and interesting to realise what some men think about women (and by extension, me).

It's not all wrong. e.g. me and my boyfriend were talking about sexual experience - as a topic, not in detail, and he said that in the past it has caused some issues. It's made me aware that people respond differently to the same topic. Whereas a partner-count does not bother me, it may bother others, and I must respect that (even if I disagree with them).

Say what you like about TRP, you guys generally have quite good manners.

[–]xfLyFPS 3 points4 points  (5 children)

You sparked my curiosity.

How was your upbringing, what male role models did you have and what were they like?

[–]d3gu 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Haha, this feels like an interview!

What are you curious about?

Upbringing was entirely normal for a middle class English person, from Yorkshire, encouraged to work hard for what I earned. My dad is awesome and even-tempered, very calm man to be around. I respect him a lot, as far as I remember we've never argued. I take after him in terms of calmness and temper.

My mum is a very interesting woman, like me she is a lady in a male-dominated field. She is very strong-willed, very intelligent, her and my dad are very equally matched in looks, finance, drive and motivation. I don't have a 'male role model' - I have my parents who are great role models, and a younger brother who used to be a bit rebellious/angsty (typical arsey teen) but is now pretty cool, he's training to be a lawyer.

Upbringing was liberal - well normal for me, since England is like that anyway - and respectful, with education, health and happiness a top priority. My mum would like me to live closer to the family (I moved away at 18), but my dad just wants me to be financially independent and stay in a good career. I think my mum would like me to find a guy to help support me (I have health issues), whereas my dad is indifferent as long as I'm happy and healthy.

I've always been allowed boyfriends etc. since I was an older teen, and in terms of everything like that it's been 'if you're happy we're happy', although I was always taught that sex and intimacy should be within a relationship - ironically (for this subreddit) from my mum, not my dad, and that sex should be with your partner, it should be with someone you love and respect. My mum told me I should wait until I was ready, and 'not do anything I didn't want to do'. I am very thankful for her for that, as most of my relationships have been happy and caring ones (with a few minor blips of course, mistakes happen). I have never discussed things like that with my dad, we just don't have that sort of relationship.

What about yourself? How was your childhood?

[–]mugatucrazypills 147 points148 points  (21 children)

I'm going to make some German Potato soup and torrent a movie now(maybe some Kurosawa or such). Then I'm going to p90x, play some guitar and go for a walk down to the coffee shop.

I have a new hero.

[–]40_SixandTwo 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Better be Seven Samurai you torrent.

[–]MagicGainbow 5 points6 points  (1 child)

How about Dersu Uzala or get the fuck out.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Funny you should mention Kurosawa, but after I torrented The Hidden Fortress, I totally forgot how to attach the subtitles to the video file. Just saying you should know the risks.

[–]cdtCPTret 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Just drag and drop the .srt file Onto the playing video in VLC

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Name the subtitles file the same thing as the video file

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[–]1Snivellious 109 points110 points  (7 children)

And then she's furious that he didn't spend his money on her.

This wasn't about "He lied to me" or even "I wanted him to be financially secure", this was "doesn't he want to treat her"? She had a damn good idea where she wanted that money to go.

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[–]Ibex3D 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Yeah, it is reasonable that a girl would want a man who could afford a decent house, to give her kids a good life, etc. but that line sealed the nail in the gold digging coffin. It wasn't about future stability or anything like that. It was about her wanting to be given an extravagant life.

[–]1Snivellious 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Between "treat her" and the fact that she broke up after seeing someone buy a third house, I'm definitely not seeing "financial security" as the ambition here.

It seems like the fighting in the comments is between people saying that her actions were reasonable, and people saying that her words and motivations seem to have been terrible.

[–]Esminia 150 points151 points  (4 children)

Just a gold-digger with a slow brain and a long reaction time

[–]yaardi 119 points120 points  (4 children)

"I left him because he doesn't have a profitable career, but I'm not a gold-digger"

It's beautiful.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 118 points119 points  (11 children)

All women are gold-diggers. She thought she could branch swing to a better dude and found out he's loaded and is regretting pulling the plug on their relationship.

[–]Cgn38 18 points19 points  (7 children)

They are net consumers. They literally have to find someone to pay for their bullshit and children.

Marriage is a real eye opener. As it falls apart you get to see what really motivates them.

Never ever get married or have children. It is a death sentence these days.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

It is a death sentence these days.

First, kids are the future. Not having them is a death sentence, and that's reality.

Divorce is a death sentence. Paternity laws are a death sentence. As usual, the punishment is the problem and the solution is improving the socialization skills of the next generation of kids.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you really give a shit about the world after you die?

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (10 children)

AWALT. it's how women love. she didn't become a gold digger until she found out it was an option, she was perfectly happy sticking with an investment man.

TBH, I can't see many relationships doing it differently. Short of the wealthy woman (who may like this, or would rather get an alpha anyways) it's pretty MGTOW.

But he'll be happy, and thats whats important

[–]zo34 46 points47 points  (8 children)

He could have easily kept our relationship alive by being forthcoming.

I think this really seals it. If he told me about his cash I totally would have stayed!

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[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe she's smarter than she's letting on. When there's something important you want done, you get a man to do it.

[–]ElBalubaerMOFO 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I think that is the only point. It is totally okay to end a relationship if you feel that your partner lacks any interest in a career - or even any development at all if that matters to you (independent of your gender).

[–]1Starswarm 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Of course it's okay. Her reasons for breaking up with him are reasonable. What this guy did, was demonstrate to her what his lifestyle was and how he chose to live it. She decided he and his lifestyle were not right for her.

Then she finds out about the money and is all "Well that changes everything!"

Does it really?

[–]TominatorXX 15 points16 points  (1 child)

That's a good point. He wasn't going to spend it on a lavish lifestyle either way so what's the difference? Finding out he had money should have made her gladder she dumped him. He was choosing not to spend it on her, right?

[–]piperluck 64 points65 points  (0 children)

She says "Proof I'm not a Golddigger" when she was actually proving that she was exactly that

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her? He said he "saw me in his future", why didn't he care enough to share these things with me?

That is they key to the whole thing. Girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money.

I can never get my head around these fools that think "oh, you have disposable income...so you should just dispose of it on me."

Like it never dawns on the economically illiterate people that the good times don't always just keep rolling. That even people with "disposable" income have a finite amount of it; and that some people would rather invest or hoard the money away for a rainy day than spend it on baubles and frivolities.

[–]ZioFascist 19 points20 points  (0 children)

dudes got the right mindset. he saw her as a liability

[–]bleed-red 49 points50 points  (1 child)

OK Will, what is your username? When will we see the FR on this one?

Can you share that potato soup recipe too?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah and we need some good documentaries to torrent

[–]Assassin1476 42 points43 points  (2 children)

"Well it's not my fault I let Clark Kent go!!! He just seemed to be a boring old news reporter with his lame ass rim glasses and oversized clothes! My gawddd he didn't even care about his job or wanted to aspire to be anything greater than the average dick face reporter because he was always suddenly leaving and making excuses to everyone!!! How I was suppose to know this hunched over, tall, muscled bown, apparently socially awkward manlet was secretly Superman?!!! I meannnnn if he tolddd meeeee we would possibly still be together?!!! He could have let me knoooowww! Just show up to work with a michael jackson curl on your forehead or something!!"

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)


Imagine if Superman were 5'2"

[–]Assassin1476 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He would be a 35 year old Superboy. lol

[–]xeonisius 109 points110 points  (44 children)

To be fair, if I found a girl who is as good as it gets in every other department, but she told me that she needs to know that I can provide for her for us to make a family I wouldn't fault her. If anything that's the sign of a girl you want to keep.

[–]ConfirmedCynic 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband, it felt like my relationship with Will was juvenile and had no future.

You don't need three properties to raise a family, and this is what triggered her to break up.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Only 27, has his own house and car, no debts, cooks, a full head of hair. Sounds like a damn good base and a decent match in this day and age.

But it clearly wasn't enough for our lazy, spoiled, social-media-brainwashed "I deserve so much more" wannabe FB celebrity here. Funny how she didn't say anything about what SHE brought to the table aside from her pussy.

[–]Super-Saiyajin 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Funny how she didn't say anything about what SHE brought to the table aside from her pussy.

Probably nothing! She clearly stated that she wanted a man with goals/ambition, if she had some of her own, she wouldn't be depending on a man for it!

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[–]Ibex3D 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Agreed but there were somethings in this that show that wasn't really her motivation. The line about wanting to spend your money on your girl and the bit about her comparing herself to her friends on facebook were some signs that she wanted more than future stability. All in all I dont think she is some evil gold digging whore but she certainly doesn't sound like a girl I'd want to marry(not that I would do that regardless lol).

[–]holytrpbatman 14 points15 points  (0 children)

She just hasn't come to terms with her inner gold digging whore, yet.

[–]DoerOfStuffAndThings 26 points27 points  (2 children)

she needs to know that I can provide for her

There's your problem. The only women worth considering for a LTR are those that are willing and able to support themselves, and had done so before you met them. If she thinks that the relationship is dependent on your ability to support it, it'll only get worse. She's either a plate or sent packing.

[–]SoSaltyDoe 28 points29 points  (1 child)

All a matter of personal preference. A lot of men and women are totally fine with the traditional family setup. Some guys want a girl who'll do the dishes, raise the kids, and keep herself presentable, while he goes and makes the bread.

[–]tallwheel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And that's fucking retarded when you realize how modern technology and education make housekeeping and childrearing one of the easiest jobs in the world. No way I'm using my money to support a child incubator. And I can clean and cook my own food just fine, thank you.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (19 children)

Laughing my ass off while reading this. This guy really does not give a fuck.

Why not spending any money on cool shit though? I have the same mentality like Will to only buy new stuff when they are broken but at least would have gotten myself a nice studio (since he plays guitar).

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Because he got his money mostly by luck. If he spends it freely he will lose it all.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

He doesn't even have to spend the actual money when he makes bank off the interest.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

According to the story he's not banking off the interest. He's investing it by renting it to rich companies.

It being the lands he inherited, not the money.

Investing your money is smart, but it doesn't seem like he actually has much of any life skills. If something goes bad and he loses the money for whatever reason, he'd probably have no way to get himself back up.

[–]ZioFascist 31 points32 points  (12 children)

being frugal is like being a 'prepper'

once you get into the mindset of having a big stash of cash..you just want more

[–]DCharlieW 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I agree, my wife and I wasted so much money going out to eat. I got sick of it and we just started doing days where we wouldn't spend money. Now that it is a habit we just don't spend money on shit unless we have too. We have saved a good amount just focusing on being frugal.

[–]ZioFascist 7 points8 points  (3 children)

nice. honestly man..i used to be all pissy and think man i wish all these hot chicks would show me attention but after talking to quite a few of them, 95% of them are liabilities. they have debt, no careers and even if they do have good jobs...DEBT. they want some rich guy to take them around and pay for all their shit

[–]DCharlieW 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I agree bro, my wife recently said that she wanted a bigger house. We could afford it but it would make money really tight. I just finished my MBA and going for my PMP so I can make more money. I asked her if she plans on looking for a higher paying job. She said no because she loves her job so basically said I have to make more money if we want a bigger place. I told her that we aren't upgrading if she isn't willing to find a job that makes more money too because that's BS. Shes totally agreed, gave her the option to pick the job or a bigger house. She loves her job and i'm totally cool with that.

So many guys will put all the risk on themselves and just work themselves to death when their wife isn't willing to work harder for the shit she wants. Being a doormat just creates weak minded men who lose everything and hate life. OP's story showed a guy who kept his hand guarded and when his girl showed her true colors he didn't look back.

[–]StupidStrong 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I know many wealthy new-money people like this, millionaires haggling for a dime at the bagel counter, and I understand. It's not about valuing your money, or being afraid to lose it. It's about how self-perceived overspending would make you feel, however small.

People build a self-identity growing up, and their emotional reactions come from that, even if their socioeconomic status changes drastically later in life.

Maybe this guy deeply despised rich people flaunting their status before he came into money himself, or was raised in relative hardship and took pride and satisfaction in every effort to be frugal. Something like that's not going to change easily. He might not even be able to comfortably spend it on stuff he actually enjoys (studio, guitar, etc.) because part of him will still feel guilt over it.

[–]mister_barfly75 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Only 7? Will's got DECADES of trim ahead of him

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger.

Dating him while she believed him penniless doesn't prove that she's not a gold-digger, but breaking up with him because he is penniless proves that she is.

[–]progeriababy 8 points9 points  (2 children)

She doesn't seem like a terrible girl. I mean, I'm honest about needing a girl who isn't a hambeast, a girl who takes care of herself, goes to the gym, etc... I honestly don't mind if a girl is honest about wanting a guy who has some ambition (read: money).

I've been in the community for a while, and I have always thought it strange that there are a lot of guys in it who get pissed at girls like this... but then complain about the whores who sleep around. Pick one. Girls who stick with one guy HAVE to care about their future, I mean, think about it. She obviously likes the guy, went out with him for longer than I've been with most girls at one time... the guy gave her no reason to think he'll be able to care for her in the long run. Girls think about that shit, just like I look at a girl's mother to see what she'll look like down the line when I'm considering any type of long term relationship. Girls are hard wired to want a guy who isn't an ambitious-less loser the same way guys are hard-wired to want a girl who looks young and hot. I don't see a thing wrong with this girl.

If you were with a girl who was great, except she was a bit too fat, and didn't seem to care about it, you'd get pissed. You might break up with her. And then, if you did... and you found out she was working out after you broke up... you'd be like "why didn't you just tell me that".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Does this belong here or in oddlysatisfying?
Edit: forgot rules about external links

[–]40_SixandTwo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is gold. Will is my hero. Good man, save your money.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The archived original link https://archive.is/afKa8 The post has been DELETED from the sub.

[–]Moolg86 8 points9 points  (0 children)

y'know, the only thing a woman seems to hate more than settling for a beta is realizing she missed out on something huge like this Oil Tycoon

[–]PoFolk 10 points10 points [recovered]

I was skeptical, but this really was a great read.

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[–]mainst 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Well, apparently she would have not dumped him if she knew he was loaded so there goes her theory of wanting a man with 'ambition'.

There are a lot of ambitious broke guys too. The two don't necessarily go hand-in-hand.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (2 children)

I would agree, if she made any mention on the post about his ambitions... Or if she didn't cry foul after his breakup (because it wasn't about the money, but ambition right?)

you don't cry it's about ambition, then wonder why he won't take you back when you find out he has money

[–]1Snivellious 61 points62 points  (1 child)

This is it. She didn't say "I wanted financial security if something went wrong" or even "I wanted a different, more ambitious lifestyle than he offered". She asked why he wasn't spending his money on treating her, and dumped him after seeing a friend on Facebook by a third house. After all that, she would have stayed just knowing about the money, even though his behavior wasn't going to change.

There's nothing wrong with dumping the ramen-eating burnout, and I don't choose to live like Will. But none of that is the same as this behavior.

[–]Gettingaware 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Yup women have a need to be provided for.But she was just using him, she was the epitome of a modern woman.

  • spent all day on facebook
  • felt inadequate to her peers, do to lack of a real purpose
  • desperate to find her BB, to the point of putting up with frugality (for almost a year, lol)
  • goes online to search for validation

When do you think was the moment she started blowing up his phone, before or after she found out he was loaded?

But she even said this herself, she was being pragmatic, she didnt really view him as a human, nor a lover, more of means to an end to her own selfishness. You do not pass go, you do not get to collect 200 dollars, thanks for playing bitch, you lose.

[–]MrOaiki 28 points29 points  (3 children)

You are right, and many comments and posts in this sub are written by men who lack anything women want, and try to make themselves feel better by calling everything "red pilly".


This particular post is about a woman who claimed she broke up because the guy lacked ambition. Now she's having second thoughts when she realizes he has money. He doesn't have any more ambitions now than he had then, so ambitions aren't really the issue here. She wants money.

[–]DannyDemotta 26 points27 points  (1 child)

He lives in an older house by himself

Did you bother reading the entire post before dusting off those cheeto fingers to type your rant?

Re-read the post. This woman was golddigger af. Theres nothing in there where she said SHE paid for them to go out, or SHE paid for them to go on a vacation, etc - she just bitched and pouted the entire time. If she had showed her man she was willing to work more hours at work, wear cheaper clothes, etc, and then use that money on him - he may have stepped in, revealed the truth, and took over paying from there, after she proved herself. She didnt.

Keep fighting the good fight against your own kind, though. Assuming you even are one of us and not just some part-timer or plant/agent with your own agenda.

[–]ether_reddit 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Theres nothing in there where she said SHE paid for them to go out, or SHE paid for them to go on a vacation, etc - she just bitched and pouted the entire time. If she had showed her man she was willing to work more hours at work, wear cheaper clothes, etc, and then use that money on him - he may have stepped in, revealed the truth, and took over paying from there, after she proved herself. She didnt.

This is the key. She could have presented more strongly "I would like to do these things, and I have a bit of money, so we'll do some of these things with what i can afford, and I want us to be ambitious so we can do more of the things we love" -- but there is no sign of her doing that. However, at the same time it did sound like he was a loaf -- he may have been too passive about their future together. Few women want to have to plan everything on their own, especially if he was really ambivalent about it all.

In the end I'd say they both made mistakes -- so ultimately it just means they're not compatible.

[–]mikehod 34 points35 points  (2 children)

"A woman wanting a man who isn't a fucking loaf doesn't make her a gold digger..."

I agree with this completely. She did the right thing by breaking up with him because she considered him a 'loaf'. If she would have stopped at that this would not be a story nor would we be discussing this at all.

But her complaining about his 'not being forthcoming' regarding his money doesn't change the fact that he is a LOAF. If the fact that he has money changed her perspective from one of disdain to acceptance, then she is a hypocrite. Nothing else about him changed except his net worth. He is still the same personality-wise.

It seems to me she made the right choice in dumping him, because his goals were definitely not compatible with hers. It just sounds to me like she would have been willing to change her goals and values for the sake of his money.

[–]jmg83 15 points15 points [recovered]

I don't get the stigma about living in an apartment. I live in an apartment. I don't really talk to the other people who live here, though. They do their thing and I do mine.

[–]Buddhabr0t 58 points59 points  (26 children)

"I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger."

i don't see the flaw in this logic, to be honest. this girl doesn't seem too greedy in my opinion. yes, him beeing penniless was a reason for her to not plan her future with him, but this is a reasonable course of action if you want to provide for kids.

she spent the time with him, thinking he was poor. obviously he was not just a beta provider to her.

i agree with most red pill guidelines, but this is not a perfect example for AWALT.

[–]santino314 11 points12 points  (2 children)

but I felt he lacked career/life ambition and we wanted different things for the future

Having money doesn't change the fact that he "lacks ambition". It might justify it (I wouldn't work either if I was set up for life) but it doesnt' negate it.

If that was really the reason to break up with him, why is she sore? why is she upset? The guy is still ambitionless, the only difference is he's a loaded ambitionless guy. She's rationalizing (aka "hamstering").

I'll have to agree to other posters here, I believe he was putting her to a test. She failed it.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Re-read the post. She felt like her life was going nowhere because she saw her friends on Facebook buying homes, and she felt inadequate by comparison.

His "lack of ambition" (i.e. his lack of money and inability to provide a competitive lifestyle) was relevant to her decision to break up with him. This is classic gold-digging.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 12 points13 points  (0 children)


If she just wanted a house, she could have done what men who want houses do: earn, save, invest, research, and buy.

But she wanted to know that he was "ambitious" enough to buy her a house.

[–]Glennus626 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I think this IS a perfect example of AWALT. Too many guys on TRP think that women are villains for seeking out providers, when that is what they are programmed to do. Supply and demand differences between sperm and eggs are quite glaring, and women naturally seek out the best deal they can so that they and their young are provided for.

I think she was somewhat shallow about it, considering that she did a lot of assuming rather than trying to sit down and communicate with him. The fact that she stuck around for 10 months simply means she was lazy or comfortable (or more than likely a 5 or a 6 without too many prospects). If she gently probed, then stated what her relationship goals were, and he was evasive, then she couldn't be blamed for ending it. I once dated an extreme cheapskate, and it was sometimes embarrassing to be around her in social settings.

[–]Basuntas 16 points17 points  (0 children)

... she dumped him even though she "loved" him. now she wants him back because she realizes that his money make him even more lovable.

how is this not AWALT?

Just because it lasted 10 months or she (in her version, we only read that version) didn't ask him for nothing, it's all the same.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She dated him when she thought he was penniless, but broke up when she realized he probably will stay penniless.

[–]nantucketghost 35 points36 points  (7 children)


[–]cloudstryfe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Her reason for breaking up and post breakup analysis shows awalt

[–]watch_ping 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Nobody here is faulting her for breaking up with him; that is standard AWALT behavior. Women expect your resources, all of them are like that.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband, it felt like my relationship with Will was juvenile and had no future.

It seems the problem is more the rate his level of commitment was escalating at rather than the money itself. At least from what I can tell. But then I read a user's summary in the comments rather than OP as I refuse to read a 30 line paragraph, that shit is absurd and needs formatting. Due to formatting alone I'm surprised to see this thread anywhere near as upvoted and commented upon as it is. For some reason you motherfuckers persevered with this shit when much better threads get ignored so hard you'd think they had AIDS. Nevertheless, I digress.

She's been netflixing with a guy for 10 months, he's obviously happy where it's at and felt no rush to upgrade his level of commitment. He's rich on the down low, I get it. She was cool with it too.

Then she went on Facebook and compared herself to the married friend who's just got a new house. People are saying because she said it was their 3rd house that this was a money thing, but I think that misses the point. It's all about "upgrading commitment" with women - that's their end-game. Why? Women are nest builders, they want babies and money to look after 'em. So a third house to this chick translated as "oh wow they're married and have two houses and now they're getting a third, all we do is watch netflix!"

She compared a relatively short relationship to a marriage and got utterly depressed over the level of commitment she's [not] getting. She envies her friend's nest, being 26 and having early wall anxiety "she's looking to settle" and now with girl logic "feels like she just wasted 10 months." Result? Dumped her guy, now looking for a guy who will escalate commitment quicker. Last guy was going too slow for her.

She thought the relationship was going nowhere because the commitment wasn't upgrading quick enough. That's all I see here. I don't see any gold digging here. She didn't know the dude was rich. She found out AFTER trying to get back with him he was rich (inadvertently from a friend.) So what does logic conclude? Not a gold digger, just a text book insecure basic bitch.

In case you don't understand the severity of that in girl world, translating it to our perspective it's like you're in a relationship where you fuck once a month with your girl and she's never in the mood past stale perfunctory monthly sex, but every time you talk to your friend about sex he says he gets it from his girl 3 times a day 4 or 5 days a week. You'd think "fuck this, I need a girl who will fuck me more." Well this chick did the girl world equivalent. Remember, men trade commitment, women trade sex.

The fact she was texting him and "even called him" before his friends told her that he was rich suggests she realised she'd been an emotional idiot. On the flip side, breaking up could have been an ultimatum/shit test to extract more commitment out of him, only for it to backfire when he handled it like a stoic boss.

People who've followed me around these past years know I rarely bat for team women on anything because normally they're in the fucking wrong. But from the material facts present here, concluding gold digger seems like a fucking stretch. If guys have hate and resentment for bitches I 100% get it because shit is fucked up, but trying to see shit that isn't there is begging the question IMO.

Dumb bitch? Yes. Gold digger? Not really. Don't see shit where it isn't present.

[–]eagleclaw457 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say this is surprising and shocking...but its not

[–]malariasucks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband

that's typically less than 1% of people...

Will dodged a bullet!

[–]SwissPablo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Damn, I wish I could be as stone-cold as Will.

[–]1raceAround126 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've had women knowing that I'm not short for money date me on that exact premise. Simply only because I have money.

I thought I could plate them but half of plating stems from mystery. When they know that I'm a good bet, everything else goes out the window.

I still had my fun though. They tried the whole making me wait for sex thing and only certain amounts. Most of that I battled down pretty quickly and when I dumped them I told them it was because I knew they only wanted me for my bank account. The distraught cries on the phone from one of them was laughable. She even asked me something like, "Well... how much do you have then" like she wanted to know what she lost out on... it was pathetic.

On that same scale though I do kinda see that if he saw her in his future, sure keep the oil baron stuff secret, but if she had obviously made a point of mentioning career aspirations and future support, depending on how she would phrase it, it's not an unreasonable thing to bring up if she was considering him for the long haul and vice versa. It strikes me that maybe he was a little TOOO hard and not enough comfort displayed.

But besides that, totally fake story. I mean, she found out days after about his oil baron status. I would rather suppose that she most likely would have heard about a rather large thing like that weeks into a relationship even if not from him rather than after...

[–]FidoTheDogFacedBoy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have a confession to make, a similar thing happened to me, but I was not wise like Will. (This appeared on r:all and I subscribed in order to reply, but I am ignorant of TRP so please be gentle.) I was in a relationship with a woman who was always hinting at her desire to become monetarily successful or to be "rescued" financially, and wanting to move our relationship along. I am a very religious man, and after a bad breakup, I had become obsessed with trying to find someone likeminded in religion and in compassion for others. As happened with Will, this girl became very frustrated with me, and she eventually decided to dump me in a promenade fashion- she wore her prettiest dress, and went out of her way to let me know what I was hypothetically missing.

However, I must confess that I had really been messing with her mind without realizing it. On one occasion I had let slip what kind of woman I was looking for without realizing it. Shortly afterward, we were at McDonald's after doing some charity construction work, and an absolutely wretched crackhead woman panhandled us. This poor creature's hair was matted and she reeked of urine. I don't know why, but I told my girl to give this crackhead a hug, and she actually did it.

At the time I thought this meant she was the one for me. But apparently this was just something she did to prove herself to me. After she got fed up and dumped me, we continued to email each other. But I moved on and met someone very casual toward religion, and we got married. When this girl found out, she stopped emailing me or having anything to do with me. To this day she still won't friend me on Facebook.

I don't know if I could be said to have had the last laugh, but I chuckle at my own naiveity just as much as at how I got her to hug a pisscovered crack junkie thinking it would get me on her leash.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My only critique, even though it turns out this chick is a complete and utter hypocrite, is that dude there didn't show much in the way of ambition. I get that he didn't have to, and is well within his right not to, but when you're with somebody and things feel like they've reached a dead end with no hint in sight... Part of the blame does fall on you. I fully support him keeping that shit under lock and key until he knew her true colours, I'd just say that next time he oughta at least act like things are on the up and up. Doesn't have to be a super rich guy, just a "I'm making slightly more than others" type deal.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Funny shit and very typical. A girl broke up with me once claiming I wasn't her type and she felt like I lacked all kinds of qualities. Never bothered to get to know me.

Eventually she looked me up and found out I hid all kinds of stuff from her due to her sporadic crazy behavior, my busy schedule and a back injury that held me back athletically. Turns out I'm exactly her type and everything she ever looked for- she desperately attempted to reconnect with me. Told her no and that it wasn't my problem- life turned out better this way. Hamster had to spin really hard.

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