Red Pill TheoryAttractive 45 yo female posts that she thinks men are feminized, shit storm ensues (self.TheRedPill)

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skinny, fit 45 yr old women posts pictures to a subreddit, redditor asks how to approach her, she says she would be impressed if a man approached her in general, men are feminized and that she wants a the guy to be dominant and approach her. Absolute shit storm ensues.


To begin with, a decent looking, fit 45 yo lady posts pictures in a sub dedicated to asking 'am i sexy?' (surprising, but she looks 10x better than the fat 20 yo feminists running all over the place).

A redditor compliments her and asks:

In what way's should a guy approach you? Or do you want to catch more guys check you out?

She responds with:

If guys just made the first move at all id be impressed these days. Men are feminized now though, those days are done.

My first thought was, "yeah sounds about right, you might be 45, but you look decent enough to be approached", reddits responses was as follows:

Why should we have to? If you're interested in a guy, why can't you make the first move?

Whiny-ness levels are off the charts, her reponse (yes its worth the read, TRP left and right):

Because its a turn off to me, and if im turned off from the first second how would it ever work. A huge part of my attraction to a man is his masculinity and dominant nature... If i have to make the first move those things are gone for me right from the start, then there is no sexual tension or attraction. Polarity gets me, feminine/masculine, dominant/submissive, aggressive/receptive, otherwise the energy is dead... If i make a move it would be subtle, nothing more than eye contact, maybe a slight smile, a tilt of the head. If a man doesn't pick that up and make a move its dead in the water. It is what it is. You can't help what you are sexually attracted to. Its like trying to tell a man to be attracted to an overweight woman because its 'whats inside that counts' regardless of the fact that he normally gets hard for slim fit women, its not going to happen. Same for us, women are generally attracted to strong masculine men, especially beautiful feminine women, thats how nature made it.

I don't think you could get much more redpill than this. This is the unspoken attraction that women experience and if you haven't picked up on this by now, then what are you even doing when you talk to a women. Their response just screams of butthurt, she gave you great advice, to grow some balls and be the one to initiate and of course the response was:

You're hot. You're just very entitled and judgmental.

Apparently saying that fit men like fit women is being judgmental. I'll end the discussion between them with this last response:

You asked me why i wont make the first move, i told you, sorry it wasnt the answer you wanted but it was the truth. Im naturally attracted to what im attracted to, its not a choice... i just asked for a man to take a risk and make the first move. 20 years ago this wasnt even a debate.


If you haven't already, learn how to initiate with girls. It should be obvious by now that a dominant, goal oriented guy is going to be more of a turn on than one who sits back and expects them all to chase him. I know that some may complain by saying, "she's a 40 yo who hit the wall, she just wants attention from guys, this doesn't prove anything!!", but really her point stands pretty clear and it obviously applies pretty well with a lot of our new generation of 'men' and the fact that it strikes a nerve with so many people just stands to prove it even more. In general, great read, and shows reddits reaction to a feminized women.

[–][deleted] 400 points401 points  (75 children)

Daily reminder: "Don't approach, it's creepy" is a shit test. Like all of these feminist rules, it doesn't apply to attractive men with Game. They don't feel violated by being approached; they feel violated when an unattractive, unassertive loser expresses any healthy sexual desire.

Ignore all feminsts. Ignore all bluepill beta males. Leave them to their cats and strap-ons.

... And just to add something substantive: notice the key difference between the whining losers in that thread and our friendly neighborhood anger-phase TRPers. The guys over there demand that the woman needs to conform to their crappy, feminist-approved sexual strategy; they're mad she told the truth. The men over here are mad that they were not told the truth earlier.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 86 points87 points  (17 children)

Like all of these feminist rules, it doesn't apply to attractive men with Game.

These feminist rules could be summed up as "generally behave like women would want you to behave if you were unattractive".

The problem is that this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because unless you're so far above a woman SMV-wise that she will do all the legwork for you, it'll kill any chance of building attraction.

[–]2rp_valiant 74 points75 points  (15 children)

you could simplify it down even further:

"Generally behave like women".

Beta men are taught to behave almost exactly the same as women trying to lock down a relationship. Don't approach, try to become friends and they'll fall in love with you, be supportive, etc etc. These strategies would in all likelihood work for an attractive woman trying to secure good husband material. There's a real truth to saying these men are "feminised".

[–]larrythetomato 86 points87 points  (9 children)

That's the most peculiar thing about the mainstream feminist advice, it is decent, just switch the genders:

Women Men, be strong, attractive, independent, don't take shit from nobody.

Men Women, be sensitive, supportive, kind and be yourself (stay innocent).

[–]KimJongUntzUntz 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Its so fucked up that this is what it has come down to. I feel cheated because I grew up in this environment, and it has been shoved down my throat and the throats of my peers our whole lives. Its hard to fathom how our society has become so twisted...

[–]systemshock869 18 points18 points [recovered]

They didn't just want the vote, they wanted revenge. Now we all get to lie in their shitty bed.

[–]EscapedTheMatrix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would gild this but I'm poor. Spot on comment.

[–]Thizzlebot 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Beta men are taught to behave almost exactly the same as women trying to lock down a relationship.

lol I seriously did this for 21 years without realizing it. So when I got no results I studied on how to get better like a fucking nerd and now I'm 27 and very happy with my results.

I don't understand how people are unhappy with what they get and aren't willing to change for what they want.

[–]2rp_valiant 14 points15 points  (0 children)

most people just get swept along with life, they don't work for what they want. Think of every person you know who spends all their leisure time watching TV or getting drunk. These people don't know they're living 'till they're on their death bed.

[–]Luckyluke23 7 points8 points  (1 child)

wholey fucck man, just a big light bulb went off in my head.

of course women are going to tell you this because they don't know othersise, they are not men and they don't knwo what works for a MAN

[–]2rp_valiant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You got it brother. So much of TRP comes back to solipsism.

[–]anitapk 42 points42 points [recovered]

Many guys didn't just fail the shit test, they made it their mantra because being manly is harder than being "equal"

[–]PedroIsWatching 44 points45 points  (15 children)

Yup. As somebody that was raised with 3 sisters with no strong male role model, flushing the bullshit thought processes and other false information the past few years that have been drilled in my entire life has been challenging.

Not impossible, but challenging. It's definitely tempting everyday to go back to being a submissive aimless omega with no plan rather than be the man and make all the decisions, because being the man is hard. But the rewards are worth it.

If only I had figured it out my senior year of high school rather than my senior year of college.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

If only I had figured it out my senior year of high school rather than my senior year of college.

Story of my life. Oh well, better now than with 30, right?

[–]redestofthereds 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're not alone,man. I took the red pill this year at 30. While I'm sold on TRP philosophy, I have yet to internalize it into my every day interactions people, which I'm now working on.

[–]Luckyluke23 4 points5 points  (2 children)

question: do you feel like you have wasted your 20's because of it? I've just recently started to be more red pill aware and I feel like I have

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I certainly feel like I have wasted the beginning of my twenties (I'm not that far yet became 23 yesterday).

Because ... you know, I actually have. Spent them mostly failing uni and never going out while being depressed about being single.

[–]Kalepsis 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You can always go back to college.

[–]anitapk 2 points2 points [recovered]

I've never met a single mother in my life, I know it wasn't the case in your story but imagine how it must be for those sons raised by single mothers.

I do believe however she's old and that's why people don't hit on her like in the 90s

[–]growingstronk 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Its not too bad sometimes, I was raised by a single mother that taught me the most important shit, like avoid divorce rape and just use college as a pump station. Dress nice and walk up to them. Only blue pill thing she taught me was pay for all the dates but she is eastern european. I ended up being trp aware by age 17

[–]Kalepsis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Paying for dates is not a blue pill trait. it's a display of dominance: as if to say, "We are not equal, I am on a higher level than you, and I'm going to prove it." Up until the seventies, when feminism really started to hit hard, this wasn't even a question. A man provides and a woman supplicates herself to his will.

[–]2rp_valiant 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Feminists talk about internalised misogyny, well this is internalised misandry. These men hate everything about masculinity and mask their hatred as guilt (e.g. "as a man, I need feminism because I don't want to be an abuser!").

[–]anitapk 6 points7 points  (2 children)

And unlikely internalised misogyny this is real - nothing wrong in calling out a slut when she behaves like one (instead it's unnatural to pretend otherwise, but wait until young sluts flirt with their men) but running away from your nature sets you up for failure

[–]2rp_valiant 11 points12 points  (1 child)

that's what TRP is all about - men getting back in touch with their nature. We're so programmed by society to ignore our instincts that we end up wandering through life neutered and goal-free. Sites like TRP remind us of who we really are. Just like everyone has an "inner child" trying to break out, so too do all men have an inner alpha. Some are just more easily indoctrinated than others.

[–]BlackHeart89 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Bro. As a guy who was BP, I tried my hardest to be equal. But I kept finding myself being the one dishing out the orders or making all the decisions or being aggravated because she would either fuck up or couldn't make up her mind.

It finally hit me. Its a man thing. Even when I don't want to take charge, I naturally do so. Most women don't mind. But feminists always feel as though they are being patronized or being treated as a child or whatever the case.

Call it what you will, ladies. But I don't have the patience for the bullshit. Either stop fucking up so much or submit. This goes to everyone. Men, women, trannies. Relationships, work, war, whatever. Stop fucking up and someone else wouldn't have to take control.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're right. I know this is the only place I can say this but....women suck. At everything. compared to men

[–]MortalSisyphus 5 points5 points [recovered]

Before I found TRP, I used to be fucking baffled by my LTR. She simply REFUSED to give input on anything.

I could ask her a dozen times where she wanted to eat. "You decide." Come on, you must have SOME preference. "Nope, up to you." What do you want to do tonight? "I don't care."

She was begging for me to take the lead and tell her what to do. Now I don't even ask. If she's got a problem with my decision she will speak up.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's especially funny when they've drank the koolaid that they should try to lead too, but are clearly uncomfortable with it.

They sit there sputtering, trying to make a decision for 10 minutes, and you're sitting there smirking, being like, "Are you ready to give up and let me decide?", and they don't want to, because it's a power play and you're demonstrating your power in comparison to theirs, if they give up.

But ultimately they almost always have to give up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There is 1 woman I respect as above me in life, because one should respect their creator.

I can count on one hand the ones who can use logic and produce results on a man's level.

And the rest are below myself.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Daily reminder: "Don't approach, it's creepy" is a shit test

Its the perfect shit test it a warning for betas and gamas who don't have the bucks to stay away. Alphas are always welcome too approach, and the ladies choose which betas bux are lucky enough to hang around and maybe get a little lucky.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Daily reminder: "Don't approach, it's creepy" is a shit test. Like all of these feminist rules, it doesn't apply to attractive men with Game

It's not a shit test. You just proved it in the last sentence. It doesn't apply to attractive men.

If they like how you look and carry yourself, you don't need game. They already like you.

If you're not their type, it doesn't matter your game. They will not be receptive to your approach.

Creepy = unattractive but has the audacity to approach

Charming = attractive and has the confidence to flirt

When women talk about confidence, they mean that they want attractive handsome men to be confident and approach them.

They don't want ugly/unattractive men to hit on them.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Step 1: Be attractive. Step 2: Don't be unattractive

[–]FritzLn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

exactly. "game" is being attractive and approaching. you could say the dumbest shit. she's going to giggle at your dumbass because she's pre-selected you. as much as you think you're james bond, you're not

[–]Geno816 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Nothing beta about cats. Cats are the shit.

[–]1grubek 28 points29 points  (15 children)

Yes, its a shit test, but it went too far when it involved the legal system. It is one thing to try and get rejected, even scorned and ridiculed, a man should be able to take it, but it is completely different when the police can get involved. In this last option, the decision is very simple and its obviously not worth it.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

What the fuck are you talking about? How would the police ever get involved because you talked to or approached a girl?

[–]LuvBeer 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Just got to London, England. The female grievance movement is very strong here. I street approached a few girls and could tell they were very surprised. One said "that's brave". I could easily see the wrong girl going to the police or bystanders intervening for "harassment"

[–]gg_s 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They wouldn't if they knew the truth. But when it's your word against hers, all she has to say is that she doesn't feel safe.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

If she felt threatened and get marked as a creep you may get a talking too from the PD depending on jurisdiction or a combination of white knight orbiter(s) and a crazy pseudo alpha male with a case of onenitis

[–]BaconEggsAndSleaze 3 points3 points [recovered]

Whatever makes you feel better about not talking to girls...

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 8 points9 points  (1 child)

What amazes me is what they are not saying.

They are not saying "I want an attractive man" or "Don't talk to me if you're ugly" or "Approach me but be aware that I may or may not be interested" or "Be more attractive guys, work out more, be more built and physically hot so that you get a foot in the door more easily".

Why aren't they saying this? Because of how deeply AF/BB is ingrained in the female psyche, and for it to continue to work they have to pretend that those Beta Bux and validation and attention suppliers are actually attractive rather than being her post-alpha-fucks retirement plan.

[–]Rasalom72 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fuck dude... have you read nothing... YOU DON'T EVER LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY.... you "listen" to WHAT THEY DO.

Women will SAY the exact fucking opposite of what they DO.. and THEY WILL BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS TRUE.... they literally don't know they are lying to themselves when they say one thing and do another.

[–]urallphux 68 points69 points  (5 children)

One of her best comments is to women bashing her:

"seriously ladies, lighten the f up!!! Ive lived all over the world, you have NO idea about discrimination, you are princesses here, enjoy it, love men, laugh it off, enjoy the sexual energy, be a woman not a harpy, honestly, I miss the 1970s and good old sexual harassment, lol! Do you really enjoy all the eunuchs you are creating? Is that why you are all devouring idiotic books like '50 shades of grey'? Hand the men back their balls and let the games begin again...."

A lot to take from there.

[–]ChadThundercockII 24 points25 points  (4 children)

My penis is raging now. That's so feminine that I could impregnate her comment.

[–]laere 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Enjoy the comment alimony bro!

[–]Born2Ball 142 points143 points  (30 children)

That's why if you have the balls to actually walk up and talk to a girl you're already beating 90% of the other guys out there when it comes to picking up girls.

Edit: Holy shit I just read through the thread you linked and there are some butt-hurt dudes out there. The liberal/feminist propaganda that has become mainstream has obviously failed them, so when some 45 year old floozy drops some real world truth they literally can't handle it and go into downvote mode. She says men are becoming too feminized, she likes masculinity and dominance, she even admits to "friendzoning" men who don't meet her criteria (I thought the friendzone was something that guys with fedoras made up?).

Some other people go on to comment that they have been socially conditioned to not approach girls while complaining that she's asking men to be men again:

antidamage 9 points 5 hours ago

The whole concept of "you're a creep if you show unwanted interest in a woman" is something that's been hammered into us from many directions. I sure as hell wouldn't proposition someone unless they'd shown overt interest in me, I have no desire to have my social standing wrecked or find myself explaining to police why I was showing unsolicited attention to someone. Even just talking to a strange woman is "thirsty" and you can't do that outside of bars, because public transport, gyms or random women in the street is seen as unacceptable. One upon a time just talking to strangers was OK, now people find it threatening. In the end it's bad for all of us.

Wow sound like this person is starting to see some holes in the feminists logic. Still upvoted however, because he doesn't go as far as to blatantly call out femanizis on their bullshit. So here we have a subreddit of men who clearly see something isn't quite right but can't make the connection that a feminized society is causing some major problems. So they go on to make personal attacks against this 45 year old woman for simply stating her preference in men. "Sorry lady, you're wrong. That's not really what you're attracted to. Let me tell you what you're supposed to be attracted."

Then we have this genius:

johnny121b 29 points 4 days ago

Men are so afraid of everything now.

You know what men are afraid of? Afraid of a society and a legal system where a woman's word can send you to jail without evidence. But that's a bigger issue, and I suspect, not why you're not being approached.

It's easy to lay everything on OUR shoulders. We're weak. We're afraid. We're timid. That's nonsense!! Stop waiting for US. Say "Hi" Let us know you're approachable, and we'll take the reins. Goodness know, we don't need a lot of encouragement, but we DO need less hostility.

So here we see another guy drop a redpill truth bomb, and then totally drop the ball on his very next statement. Men are getting screwed over on the regular by the legal system. What's the answer? "We're too fucking timid. Women should approach us." Fucking brilliant.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 50 points51 points  (15 children)

These comments appear to have disappeared from the thread now. But just to give you a proper taste of the sort of people who have been passing judgement on these comments... let's look at one comment which struck me:

[–]robert_paulson -47 points 17 hours ago

I kinda see where you're coming from. As a guy I too feel like certain gender roles in relationships have reversed. Call me old fashion but I've often times felt like I was born in the wrong era. Looking back on history, having trouble not seeing a better fit in say the '50s or so. But alas, it is what it is. As Hank moody said, "I'm just an analogue guy in a digital world."

Re-read that comment and realise that it's merely a lament about his own personality and preferences being more suited to a different era. He doesn't say we need to go back to the 50s, just that he would probably have enjoyed life more there. It's a very personal comment rather than a societal comment. He doesn't suggest women need to get back in the kitchen, he doesn't suggest women don't deserve the vote and he doesn't say women should have their rights taken away.

Yet almost 50 people read it and needed to downvote it. Let that sink in for a moment on just how far the thought policing has gone... that people will act as a group to downvote a comment simply because it mentions the 50s in a slightly positive light or declaring himself "old fashioned."

Yeah... it's such a crime to hold "old fashioned" opinions. /s

[–]GuruDev1000 23 points24 points  (1 child)

And yet, these same people will call themselves a 'bit old fashioned' when wanting the man to pay.

[–]hirjd 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Women want an old fashioned man but don't want to be old fashioned themselves. "Where have all the cowboys gone?"

[–]the_number_2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Where have all the cowboys gone?"

They've resorted to fucking each other, because gay cowboy is still less bullshit to put up with than dealing with some women, and there's a LOT of literal bull shit on a cattle drive.

[–]transitivecurves 4 points4 points [recovered]

that people will act as a group to downvote a comment simply because it mentions the 50s in a slightly positive light or declaring himself "old fashioned."

Didn't you hear? Everything from the past is "regressive". Everyone not born after 1980 is stupid. I wish I was kidding.

[–]NecroticFury 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whatever dude, fallout 4 is good enough for me at this point.

[–]chaseemall 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I didn't read it that way. It's like from No Ma'am's Principles of Seduction.

For all the myths that women are more intuitive, more social, more emotionally intelligent, aware of feelings etc., it is all basically a lie.

The bottom line is this: Men don't actually make the first move... women do.

They signal openness. Or rather, they are supposed to. Then an interested man will signal his interest to approach, usually by looking her in the eyes and smiling. A normal man won't apporach unless invited. If a man approaches without being invited it either means he is a psycho or he is one of the few men that have learned that women just don't get it, and he is compensating by testing the waters more aggressively. Yes, a lot of men don't know the steps to meeting a woman and, as a result, are socially awkward and have trouble meeting women (even when she is highly interested). This lack of skill leads to lack of confidence which then becomes a vicious circle.


You need to understand that women in this country are completely socially inept and have stopped all relationship starting behavior. That leaves the field wide open for you (a woman who knows what she is doing) with little to no competition. See a guy you like? Look at him and smile as an invitation to approach. Likely, it is quite rare for him to get signals from women, no matter who he is, what he looks like or anything else about him. He may be surrounded by women who want him but NONE of them will invite him to approach. You can swoop right in and pluck him out of the crowd easy. The downside to this is he has gone so long without this happening that he might not recognize your invitation. Just be firm and repeat it several times. Eventually, he’ll come on over. Talk lightly and steer the conversation to mutual interests and then mention you might want to do one of those together. Give him your phone number and bam; you have a date with a guy you are highly attracted to. This is easy for women to do and tough as hell for a man to do. Why? Because women get an idea in their head about the type of man they want (usually a random one at that) and are not open at all to anyone else, plus they try to keep any attraction a big secret until Mr. Right just decides to aggressively pursue them as some random encounter (yah, that works well…..not). Usually what happens is a woman gets lonely and bored and then grabs whoever just happens to be hitting on her aggressively, as a stop-gap measure. Men, on the other hand, are open to any woman of reasonable quality that seems interested in him.

[–]NecroticFury 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Usually what happens is a woman gets lonely and bored and then grabs whoever just happens to be hitting on her aggressively, as a stop-gap measure.

This needs its own post. Ive seen this progressively happening more and more recently, as opposed to how women used to react. First, its with frustration, then a desperate attempt to change the situation. When they both fail (she put in minimal effort herself) she'll just take the guy already pursuing her.

It doesn't even matter if he's a bumbling fool - because she feels like shit, it doesn't matter if his SMV is lower than the guy she was originally pursuing.

Interesting indeed.

[–]onlyeveryatlafan 15 points16 points  (1 child)

That first bit is nail on the fucking head, its not even just courtship, but all sorts of things that you want to excell in. All you have to do is show up and your beating 90% of the knuckleheads out there.

[–]Born2Ball 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I use this example when it comes to fitness all the time. If you're going to the gym and lifting on the regular, you're already ahead of 90% of the rest of the guys out there, even if you don't have the best routine possible. People get so caught up in the specifics they miss the big picture.

[–]Maaaaarty_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I definitely follow this rule . people at work don't need to have sex with me either (don't shit where you eat ) so you can day game them all you want .

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Still upvoted however, because he doesn't go as far as to blatantly call out femanizis on their bullshit.

No, he's upvoted because he doesn't call out the other guys on being wussies. He just gives the reason why they are such.

[–]Born2Ball 13 points14 points  (3 children)

The reason why they are wussies is due to the feminist narrative that permeates through our society. Men acting like pussies is just a symptom of the greater illness.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, and that's what he says. He doesn't mention "feminism" per se, but what he points out is one of its many adverse consequences.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Self awareness isn't a real strength for SJWs

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He said less hostility not that women should initiate all contact.

[–]SpiritWolfie 66 points67 points  (6 children)

I agree and disagree with many of the points made.

She's full of shit - 20 years ago YES IT WAS A DEBATE. I fucking LIVED IT as a mid-to-late 20 year old man. Yes that means I am mid-to-late 40 year old man now.

There were all kinds of people quoting articles in Cosmo, showing up on Oprah and all over TV about how women should start approaching men and THE DEBATE HASN'T CHANGED. Some people agreed, some disagreed and we moved on.

There were people on both sides that said, "meh - it's a man's job to approach." women who said, "I'm just out if a man doesn't approach" and all sorts of anecdotal responses based on everyone's own experiences.

Here's the thing - there is NOT one objective truth from all of this. We can all find examples to support or deny any position we choose. Seriously.

So it really boils down to what you want. Do you, as a man want to date more hot women?

Is it more productive for men to initiate with women? Hell fucking yes. Is that the only way men are going to hook up with attractive women? Hell fucking NO.

Look in my experience there are PLENTY of hot women that have no problem initiating with men. I wouldn't classify myself as hot today but back in the day, I looked pretty good and I had a few women that were super bold and had no problem initiating with me. Other friends that were really hot guys had this happen on the reg.

So don't act like hot women don't initiate - they do and they do it often. The problem is, this can be unpredictable and men will find much more action if they simply sack up and approach.

In fact - in thinking about this more. I think her response is appropriate due to her drop in attractiveness as she's aged. Fewer guys are approaching her and she's urning for the day when she didn't have to DO anything to get dates.

[–]transitivecurves 7 points7 points [recovered]

She's full of shit - 20 years ago YES IT WAS A DEBATE. I fucking LIVED IT as a mid-to-late 20 year old man. Yes that means I am mid-to-late 40 year old man now.

You know, in some parts of the US, it's still an accepted fact that the man is expected to approach. It strongly depends on the area.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

20 years ago she was 25 years old. Obviously more men would be going after her.

[–]Glenbert 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dunno, man. I'm a bit younger than you and I do remember spending sick days watching shit like Jenny Jones and Donahue, which featured all of this crap. But it lived there as proto-click-bait to make the lives of out-of-touch housewives more interesting and controversial. The next day I'd be back in middle or high school and it was all back to normal.

But through my work and my wife (7 years my junior) I get exposed to enough millennials to know that something was very different for them. 10 years later, all the housewives got divorced and went back to work. All those shows went off the air but those wacky progressive ideas started getting into the school system or something.

[–]Reddthrown 34 points35 points  (2 children)

"she's a 40 yo who hit the wall, she just wants attention from guys, this doesn't prove anything!!"

Mostly true though. She has posted to every possible subreddit (including TRP) looking for male attention. If she demonstrates TRP, it may not be in the way you think.

She's hit the wall hard, lost her ability to attract the top males she wants, and is pining for attention (in the typical "I'm such a victim" way, incidentally). Just another alpha widow about to settle down.

[–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This happens all the time. Young women (teens and early 20s) complain about all the creepy men approaching them. They sleep with whichever men they choose (which they're entitled to do). But then, when they hit the wall and men lose interest, they complain about men not paying attention to them anymore.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

The conflict comes because she is arguing from the point of view of "the way things are" and they are arguing from the point of view of "the way things should be", or a childish mindset of "that's not faiw!" They bought into the idea that television and 'media' in general are perverting people into stereotypes and that in the halcyon days before the 'evil, patriarchal oppressive MEDIA!" things were better and women were looser, they think that because the internet allows people to say truths anonymously, and that because media glorifies female sexual agency at every turn, that women are also as horny and unpicky as them and it's all a misunderstanding that they aren't bouncing on his cock right now.

[–]aiguo888 13 points14 points  (2 children)

PC environments make this unlikely outside of designated hook up venues like bars + lots of average guys got weary about even approaches anyway after harsh rejections by bitchy girls.

Also lets face it: Most women (even more than men) aren't that special and painfully average. While the thirsty underclass bros will cat call any woman that isn't butt ugly, someone with options surely is a bit more selective, which instantly weeds out 60%+ women (probably closer to 80% just like with women looking for top tier guys).

Women also have forgotten that they're only considered to be attractive by the vast majority of guys from their teenage years to their late 20s.

I live in China where any girl that isn't married by 30 is considered to be forever alone.

Most "cougars" here only get laid with inexperienced white guys or they pay for the privilege to be with younger guys.

[–]penworth 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're hot. You're just very entitled and judgmental.

Did a guy write this? That's just...annoying.

[–]TeflonDon3000 73 points74 points  (11 children)

What more do guys need than eye contact? I don't even look for a smile, but if a girl smiles at me and I don't go and approach her, then I'm just being a pussy.

I've gotten this sentiment countless times. Women are complaining that men they are trying to attract won't even approach them, unless they're so drunk they have a shield of liquid courage.

That's why day game is essential.

Approaching a woman has become risqué, taboo, and too much of a hit to a guy's ego and fee fees if he faces rejection.

I'm not fit, I'm not rich, and I won't be for a while. Does that mean I just give up?

No, it means I learn to embrace rejection. I look for rejection, I can't wait to be rejected. I eat rejection for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Why? So I can grow through it. So I can find the yes through the multitude of no's.

If you don't love rejection, you don't know what the Red Pill is about.

[–]aiguo888 46 points47 points  (5 children)

I look for rejection, I can't wait to be rejected.

When I was younger I believed there was some truth to this attitude, but now I just think it's a kinda brute force autistic approach.

I got reasonably good at reading faces over the years and it's not so hard to tell if a woman is interested in you or not unless you don't attract much female attention in general (fix your style if that's the case). Women generally aren't good at making poker faces.

The error rate is much lower with this approach, rejections are pretty much never harsh and it's usually a lack of follow up because we're not a good fit personality wise / I'm not rich enough (she makes a good guess by the area I'm living in) / she has a boyfriend already or w/e.

That shouldn't deter you though from approaching the occasional super hottie that doesn't have the most approachable facial expression, but choosing the easy route is generally best for your long term confidence and sanity.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

9 times out if 10, when I talk to strangers, I get at least a decent conversation out of it. Unless the person is painfully awkward, I usually have a positive view of them afterwards. All it takes is asking someone how their day was, or giving an honest response to, "how are you". When you get used to talking to everyone you encounter and saying hi to random strangers, your game will get better way faster than if you just approach hb's.

[–]NecroticFury 0 points1 point  (0 children)


this behavior is the very definition of socially inept autistic behavior. "Its just a numbers game, bro."

[–]ThePermanentGuest 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Women are complaining that men they are trying to attract won't even approach them, unless they're so drunk they have a shield of liquid courage.

On the other side of this, some of these women are blind to the idea that just maybe the attraction isn't mutual. It reminds me of the old pua community which blamed the man for every facet of the approach without bothering to take into account the attraction (or lack thereof) of the woman.

Personally, I approach everyone around me, as I've made it a habit to talk to people in casual situations. However if I'm not into someone, or if they're not into me, I won't be pursuing that in a sexual manner. Desire is a two-way street.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You need to add all around self improvement. That's why monk mode exists

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Good for her. That chick admits that she wants a real man instead of a feminized "nice guy who will treat her like an equal."

I'm rooting for her. Hopefully she meets some Silverback alpha who will dominate her like she wants.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm already married - can't help her on that one ;)

[–]1raceAround126 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Just read a little.

I think the fact that men are feminised goes hand in hand with that a man faces serious repercussions if his approach is not welcomed. Frankly there are situations where I won't approach even if I'm near 100% sure she wants me to. It's not worth the risk. And there are serious risks to a man simply for expressing interest.

When the world is this way, no wonder men are becoming more and more feminised.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I think the fact that men are feminised goes hand in hand with that a man faces serious repercussions if his approach is not welcomed.

This is part of my theory on why we are seeing more BM/WF Interracial couples, in general African American, especially Urban African American culture just doesn't GAF about anything. Besides being perceived as more dominant, Black men make more approaches, are less afraid of the repercussions thus are increasingly successful overall with women they wouldn't of stood a chance with 20 years ago.

[–]1raceAround126 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is a grain of truth in this. Most of the white females I grew up with who later had kids with black men seemed to pick the unemployed, drug dealer and now in prison types. Apart from their utter desperation for any guy with even a shelf stacker job to commit to them, I'd say a lot of it was just about what's there in front of you. If all the well to do black men are off out working a real job and all you have around your unemployed ass are unemployed men, I guess there's not a lot to choose from.

To caveat, I grew up primarily in a black area so I guess the options were limited to begin with. The two black girls I went out with when I was younger both had brothers at some stage in the criminal justice system. Actually one girl I stopped seeing because her brother didn't like the white boy...

Anyway, I'm not trying to suggest that all black men are criminals or what have you, just a reflection of my own experience. One which, in my opinion, a lot of my acquaintances who grew up in largely white areas would decry as racist in a very reactionary manner.

As for black men being more dominant? I think it really depends. A lot of the white guys I grew up with who had a strong father figure on the parental side I would say were just as dominant. The fatherless black kids I grew up with got their father figures from their older brothers, friends, etc. You could almost call them gangs for want of a better word with age ranges from 10-18. White kids generally didn't form these sorts of relationships. The most was an older brother if he was around with the exception of Dad if he was in the picture.

If I could castrate myself with my own example, I would say I have a very strong and determined work ethic but I was shit with women. And I can't read a map to save my life. But my Dad was the up at the crack of dawn off to work typical Irish builder who had his family's back at every single turn. That of course meant I was effectively raised by my Mother and thus the being shit when it comes to women after being force fed the beta ideal and the fact that my Mother gets lost in Supermarket car parks.

When my Dad died, it was only then I realized that I should have gotten to know him better. And the arguments my parents had when we were growing up were exactly a marriage gone bad but doing it for the kids. I guess that means my upbringing was elevated above the fatherless kids, but I guess I at least have perspective on it.

All that aside, it's still potentially dangerous for a man to make advances. Case in point, my old job. I used to rub shoulders with this girl from another department. And I know full well I could have closed the deal with minimum work. But the fact is, who knows if I read the signal wrong, who knows if date 1 doesn't go well, who knows that she's not batshit insane but doing a good actor job. One word to HR, whether it happened or not, and my career would be over.

As for this 45 year old, she is very correct. But she does miss off this vital cue in that this fear will always bleed through to almost any man with something to protect.

[–]truthiesttruth 69 points70 points  (30 children)

I keep saying it, this sub needs a sidebar section called "straight from the whores mouth".

Every day 100% bonafide TRP material gets spewed all over the internet by some hos dick sucking mouth.

They know trp better than most posters in this sub do, because they live it every day. Women are taught the truth from the beginning. Little girls are not deceived like little boys.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Oh they are lied to, definetly.

They are told they can sleep around with 100+ alpha males in their 20s and then still have healthy sexual relationships in their 30s and 40s.

[–]Born2Ball 22 points23 points  (20 children)

Trump 2020! Keep America Great!!!!

[–]ragerdat 55 points56 points  (16 children)

"Straight from the Whore's Mouth Monday"

Somehow we'll still get called misogynists

Maybe call it something else else?

[–]danjs 88 points89 points  (10 children)

Seriously, I lurk and occasionally interject but I notice we definitely get divided between the angry and the stoics here. You don't need to call her a whore if she's being a woman. Makes us seem like bitter idiots.

Why not just see the truth and accept it? Why do we have to name call and get angry when we can act with understanding and use these observed truths to our advantage?

"Straight from the Horse's Mouth" would be a great sidebar addition. Much more likely to incite curiosity than instant repulsion from someone who dares visit big bad TRP

[–]Whirly315 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Thank you for adding your voice of reason

[–]chaseemall 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Then they'll just flip shit: "they call women horses!" lol

But yeah, I like this.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You can be stoic and still call people mean names. Don't get so worked up about what others might think of you for thinking less of someone.

If it walks like a whore and talks like a whore, it's probably a whore. Call a spade a spade.

[–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Straight from the Horse's Hamster's Mouth"

Here you go. I fixed it for you.

[–]drallcom3 26 points26 points [recovered]

You can just call it Truth from women. Not everything needs a clickbaity name.

[–]Scroph 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess it comes down to whether or not the pun is worth the risk of being accused of misogyny.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna spend some time on askwomen and post some content on Monday

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

We might be getting into SRS type territory where reddit thinks we're brigading with something like that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbicepsblastingstud 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Agreed. I also don't think it would be that valuable of an addition.

Do you really need to have a woman confirm this stuff before it rings true?

[–]NecroticFury 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yes, we do. It stops people from bullshitting about us all being neckbeards making up misogynistic pick up tactics.

Which isn't entirely untrue. At the same time, the sub would benefit from it.

[–]theozoph 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nothing will stop people from bullshitting about us, man. There are too many bruised ego and ideological furor for a change of mind.

Accept it, and let us stop giving a shit.

[–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Probably because men and women are constantly bitching about "creeeeeeeeeeeeepy men" trying to a approach women. Young attractive women are going to get attention from some men anyway.

But when women get older, there will be fewer men willing to put up with the overall bullshit in order to approach someone who isn't that attractive. That's probably when you have older women complaining about men not approaching them anymore.

[–]heartofsalt 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Simplify your way of life.

See something desirable --> Immediately attain desirable object.

All backlash are irrelevant.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well unless of course unless that backlash is jail or poverty - although I do agree with the general premise of your statement.

[–]XtremePeace 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's not so black and white and most attractive girls barely mention this, let alone think about it. She only says that shit because she's 40+ and even though she's attractive, she's less so than when she was young and has less guys hitting on her. I won't fall for this sweet talk.

[–]quelques_heures 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're hot. You're just very entitled and judgmental.

TIL; White knights are offended that hot girls don't respond to their poetry readings.

[–]BOSpecial 30 points31 points  (6 children)

Looks like she is looking for attention because she is not getting it like she used to.

[–]haxurmind 22 points23 points  (5 children)

One of the OPs comments: '20 years ago this wasnt even a debate, men just naturally enjoyed chasing women, now they want to be passive and sit back while the women chase them'

Interestingly, the OP would have been 25 at that time and possess more of the youthful traits and appearance men look for when approaching women.

Looks like she is looking for attention because she is not getting it like she used to.

A luxury we have with the net is that we can look at profiles with minimal investment (where no record of "haxurmind viewed your profile" happens) giving her no validation and also fewer visits as men filter search results by age.

Note also: 'I just dont enjoy online dating that much, it lacks all those things i love about meeting a man in the real world. Im not against it, i just dont really enjoy it.'.

Men prefer younger women; something that was covered (and previously mentioned on TRP) by OKCupid blogs that I link again for convenience. The point being that she does not get as much value out of those sites as her 25 year old self.


A trifecta emerges on Reddit in the attention, validation (reply about her looks) and some "where have all the good men gone" (hamster feed, that are not assholes/drunks, 80/20 rule) which I think expands on the message behind your post.

TL/DR: A rant in agreement with BOSpecial.

[–]Uptonogood 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Man. That okcupid article is ridiculous. They almost immediately start by using the same old tactic of trying to shame men for their sexual preferences.

It all boils to: "Shame on you men for not finding desperate old hags attractive".

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It all boils to: "Shame on you men for not finding desperate old hags attractive".

Big time. The problem with this woman isn't her views, it's that she's 45. If you can go tap ass that is half her age, why would you look twice at her?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

'20 years ago this wasnt even a debate, men just naturally enjoyed chasing women, now they want to be passive and sit back while the women chase them'

because western society has become very soft and feminized in the last 20 years.

People can't even see an animal get killed without freaking out, let alone ever having to kill one themselves to eat it. They think the biggest problems that exist in the world is a "sexist tweet" or how 2 men can't get married.

It comes and goes in swings, right now in the west we've enjoyed many years of limited problems so that's made us as a society very soft. Add to that how we've stopped thinking for ourselves and just do whatever the media says, while we stuff our face with mcdonalds and 2/3 of the country isn't even smart enough to eat in moderation, and you can see how retarded western culture looks to others.

But things change over time, and periods of no worries like this are always followed by periods of extreme hardship, and sadly when that time comes many of these people won't have the skills or mental capacity to survive. But I guess that's the natural way

[–]BOSpecial 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks for expanding on my sentence, I didn't feel like writing anything up to indulge her bullshit last night. She's bullshitting way too much. I remember 90's, they were almost like today.

Those "real man" that were chasing her in the 90's are still alive today, they didn't pass away lol. If she wants 25 year olds still (and this is the only part that is very telling in terms of Red Pill) there will be a shortage of men because of her age and looks. Somehow she doesn't understand that. So she goes on the internet to get a bunch of validation from unknowns so she can "confirm" that all the men are gone, and that it's not her fault.

Of course she is right about masculine/feminine polarity, but the part about a man making the first move turning her on made me chuckle. I wondered if an ugly guy made the first move if she would get wet from this manly move? heheh

[–]haxurmind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for expanding on my sentence, I didn't feel like writing anything up to indulge her bullshit last night.

Thank you actually; I was already typing up something along those lines, slow day at work, and saw your post on a refresh that created a better flowing post than I had ranted out in the beginning.

I wondered if an ugly guy made the first move if she would get wet from this manly move? heheh

I wouldn't think so either, presumably disqualified as drunks btw, but unlike my other post I won't explain the details why since it is all covered in TRP sidebar.

[–]HighOnLife 10 points11 points  (4 children)

This guy's response deserves it's own post:


[–]gg_s 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Jesus Christ, wake up boys... you don't deserve to be called men. Wake the fuck up. You've been told by so many people that, "This is way things should be!", its like you never stopped to ask, "Is this the way things actually are?"

Too bad they will miss the point entirely, presenting "the way things are" as a perfectly legitimate justification for "the way things should be." They lack a functional understanding of reality. It's tragic.

[–]NecroticFury 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or its a willingness to say fuck all to women's needs.

MGTOW is getting stronger than TRP.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Millennial men have their heads so fucking spun up by feminists, its pathetic.

Reminds me - I recently went to see a Movie with the wife and it was her turn to pick. There are some movies she knows I just won't see, so my wife tries generally to pick some rom com, comedy or an occasional drama that she knows will be passable.

Last two picks for her were - 1. Trainwreck - which was actually super funny but ultimately a complete and utter fantasy because no rich celebrity doctor is going to wife up a 30 something bar slut with daddy issues - not even one as cute and charming as Amy Schumer. And 2. The Intern which was a huge steaming pile of feminist shit. With the second movie, I thought it's fucking DeNiro how bad could it be? Answer: Bad - really fucking bad. Raging Bull was a long time ago, Bobby. A very, very long time ago.

The whole premise of the movie could be broken down to this: Regard women fully as equals in every way, but always have a handkerchief ready to hand them for when they cry.

Got that everyone?

The movie had just about every feminist talking point in it - women in tech - women CEOs - stay at home dads - "fragile masculinity"... You name it. If there was a feminist first world problem, this movie whined about it. But it also had the laughable cognitive dissonance you get with feminism too - like the aforementioned "See us as the powerful business leaders in technology that we are shitlords, but shelter us like children when we need it."

There, there daddy has a hanky for you to dry your wittle tears, little miss CEO.

LOL could you imagine Jeffery Immelt crying in a boardroom over feels all this pressure was giving him? But I digress...

Getting down to the real point of this comment and the ultimate cognitive dissonance in this movie - there's a scene where Anne Hathaway turns to a dapper suit wearing DeNiro - the fucking Godfather - and says basically to a group of beta male hipsters how did we go from this <Godfather> to this <faggot hipsters> in one generation?

Anne the answer is FEMINISM.

Despite all of the hang wringing and bullshit duplicitous manipulations of feminism, women still like masculine strong men - they are attracted to them sexually and they like being sheltered and protected by them.

Even when they set out to make a feminist movie - their lizard brains still can't help them from making the core message of the movie be "Although cute little Anne Hathaway is bright and capable, she's no Godfather."

Don't listen to feminists. Don't be a beta male SJW fucktard. For all of their incessant selfish machinations and deceptions, women still desire the physical, mental and emotional strength men provide.

Contemporary feminism is all about provisioning the resources men provide in a way that hoists women into a privileged class. Don't buy into it. Don't be afraid to be a man. Break free from the societal narrative trying to shame you into servility.

[–]newls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The whole premise of the movie could be broken down to this: Regard women fully as equals in every way, but always have a handkerchief ready to hand them for when they cry.

Screw just the movie, the whole premise of modern society can be broken down to that.

It reminds me of a StackExchange thread I read last month about the ramifications of consistent reincarnation with memory retention, so in other words you'd have infinitely many lives and retain all your memories.

There were some pretty interesting answers, but the top voted answer said this:

Life as a woman

After spending time as a woman, I think Bob would have a completely different appreciation for women and how they should be treated.

...as if they're special snowflakes who go through some profound and unknowable tribulations in their lives. Fucking hell that place can fuck off with its spineless, self-righteous eunuchs.

[–]king-schultz 19 points20 points  (5 children)

I don't know. I think there's a reason she's 45 & single. She sounds like a delusional cunt that still thinks she's a hot 25yo. Then she goes on to say that pretty much any guy that DOES approach her is a creep or an asshole.

Fuck that bitch.

[–]rp_divorced 6 points7 points  (1 child)

As a recently divorced guy who is in his early 40's, I will say that getting these women into bed is like shooting fish in a barrel and they REALLY know how to fuck. But yes, they're all crazy and delusional. The problem is that the younger ones are just as crazy, but for different reasons.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no doubt about that. She's attractive enough where the only explanation for being single is that she's batshit crazy or unrealistically picky.

[–]PM_Me_OK 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Can someone address the "prize" factor thing... I kinda feel like some of the guys who are saying "why should we have to approach you" might be saying it only because they feel like if they are the ones to approach and initiate, it feels like the woman is the prize...They feel like the woman should approach them because the man is the prize.

[–]razormachine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Most of them became frustrated beta chumps because they listened to woman lies.

Now when a woman speaks the truth they react with aggression, well truth hurts.

[–]B_Campbell 4 points5 points  (3 children)

If that's the wall I wouldn't mind hitting it.

[–]BrunoOh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Wall isn't necessarily about becoming hideous - it's about losing ground to a fresh generation of women and competing with them for top men.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

When I was younger, a young girl I worked with sent me a text with the exact quote of "let's fuck".

I froze. I kick myself in the ass for this ever time I remember. Cute blonde with an ass to die for. Morale: always pursue. Always escalate.

[–]BadinBoarder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there's alot of cringe moments with me in high school and college. Looking back on how i misread situations or didn't pursue hard enough. It hurts to think about, but it's a learning experience.

I try to teach my much younger brother about women and how to approach them. He's doing much better than me. This generation is also lucky to have the internet and communication with older generations privately.

[–]relationshipdownvote 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That whole thread is like some guy just yelling at the sky "WHY ARE YOU RAINING ON ME, YOU'RE MAKING ME WET AND I DON'T LIKE IT!". Sorry bro, that's the way it is. You should be glad this woman is telling you the harsh truth rather than a gentle lie.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I got no problem approaching girls when they know how to be social. Most girls are socially retarded. They end conversations abruptly without even thanking me for the approach if they are not interested. That's what drains men from approaching over a long time IMHO. After countless years in my 20s approaching girls in bars and getting mostly shut down, Tinder comes around and makes it easier to pull them. Is it better? Hell no but it is what it is.

[–]gnt_1 14 points15 points  (8 children)

lmao come on guys, i thought we don't fall for 40-something post-wall women whining about how men don't approach them anymore

in her own words "those days are gone"

those guys aren't that wrong - at this point and age she should be doing the approaching if she wants sum fuk

[–]redzorp 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I agree.

When she was in her twenties I would bet my last dollar that she was either a feminist or one of the feminist sympathizer harridans in college.

You reap what you sow. If you want the dick, post-wall lady, then you either have to approach or just STFU and buy a vibrator. Because we're busy approaching 20-25 year olds. We ain't got no time for used meat nearing the half-century mark. That's way past it's due date.

[–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When she was in her teens and 20s I would bet she was calling the SWAT Team everytime any "creeeeeepy man" glanced in her direction. I bet she was getting pumped and dumped by all the dark triad men

Now she's in her 40s, not so fresh looking anymore. The dark triad men have moved on to fresher pastures and the herd of beta orbiters has thinned. Now she's complaining that men don't approach.

Too late, lady. Personally, I don't even find her heavily cropped and angled photos very attractive. I'd rather get something fresher.

Feminists, white knight faggots, and dark triad cockblockers have raised the price of approaching women. That means post-wall leftovers like this one aren't worth the trouble. Only young women 18 to early 20s women who fit my exact preferences are worth approaching.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

She looks pretty fucking hot bro. If she isn't getting approached, we should blame ourselves.

Edit: many red pillers seem to be indistinguishable from neckbeards.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I don't know why you're placing the blame on men here. She said in her posts the only guys that approach her are drunks and assholes... You know what they say, if the first person you saw today was an asshole he probably was. If the first ten people you saw today were assholes, then it's actually you that is.

It seems she could also be passively rebuffing the advances of any decent men (in her estimation) that would have otherwise approached her.

[–]Reddthrown 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Those pics make it hard to tell - she's cranked the "hide the wrinkles" filter to 11.

[–]SevereDehydration 4 points5 points  (1 child)

[–]Aphrodite_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok which one of you beautiful brothers made that long comment about the short girl and collecting books ? That was amazing

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She is right but that's far from the main reason she doesn't get dick

Tbf for 45 she's pretty fuckable, looks wise. Alpha widow much?

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also note that whenever you see a post supporting her position, and it's had quite a few upvotes, the person is a redpiller. People from the rest of reddit might agree with some of what we say but they're damn sure they won't be the ones to say it.

Lookin' at you, blkbullmentor and artietx. Fighting the good fight.

[–]mugatucrazypills 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you'll find that women with BDSM experience, and I mean real BDSM experience not some 50 shades of twilight gray judgy billionaire mommy porn rape fantasy understand Red Pill dynamic as well as anyone here.

BDSM community are ladies (and men) that understand dominance and submission as it relates to attraction and sexual pleasure. They understand limits, safety, consent, verbal and non-verbal communication generally and imaginatively how to talk dirty.

I'm not saying you'd want a LTR or to Marry the Pain-Slut, but looks being similar I'd rather plate a n=100 gal that loves to be fucked rough in safe sane BDSM than a n=5, social justice warrior(who might be a dyke) that's going to decide I raped her next week because patriarchy.


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

...and too many 'women' lack any feminine qualities.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think she looks fantastic and I like how she's not backing down from all the soft men.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

20 years ago this wasnt even a debate.

That might be her memory, it's certainly not mine. 20 years ago it was absolutely a debate. 20 years ago we were in the full flight of the so-called equality machine and the assault on masculinity. It's been going on since at least the 80's with the whole "new man" shit they started putting out. (30 years ago, for those unable to subtract)

Additional motivation for all you hot TRP men: as society becomes more egalitarian, masculinity becomes more attractive to women. There are studies that show this, but we all know what rarity does for a woman's attraction levels. Masculinity means shit tests and attraction. Such is the nature of the beast. Brave the shit tests and enjoy the attraction.

[–]BotTheDevil 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This feels like a good time to mention that if you marry, don't marry American.

[–]Morrigi_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Brits and Germans are probably worse, honestly. A better rule of thumb would be that if you marry an American, don't marry a Northerner.

[–]Sdom1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't hate or despise these guys. I'll bet a lot of them are young, and grew up in the days of zero tolerance, pumping boys up on ritalin for acting like boys, sexual harrassment seminars, etc. If you read some of those comments, there are guys claiming being dominant will get you sent to prison! This is because they think that masculinity equals violence and evil.

Here's the thing, they don't think these things because it's natural. They were conditioned to think these things and deep down they know something is wrong. So when they get confronted with a woman like this, who they all want to fuck, telling them they're little bitches, they just about lose it because now they have to play catchup and do something they've been deeply conditioned to abhor.

You see this theme running throughout various creative works, especially literature - The negative effects of acting against your own nature. That theme is punching these guys in the mouth on that thread.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why should we have to? If you're interested in a guy, why can't you make the first move?

This is the thing that pisses me off the most about these fucking nerds on this site. I can write a whole fucking essay on this line of thinking. It's so beta. It's weak guys wanting to take the path of least resistance. It's people trying to play mental games to justify their weakness. I can't fucking stand it.


[–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why can't pretty women just approach me, buy me coffee, plan the date, pay the bill, and pamper me like a prince?!!

o gosh....I just can't

[–]1KissTheBridesmaid 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Honestly I have rarely seen a woman who is this aware / honest about her own sexual attraction. Not even older women. They still give shitty advice. Possibly the fact that this one has somehow remained hot for several decades has given her a unique experience and insight...

[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Possibly the fact that this one has somehow remained hot for several decades has given her a unique experience and insight...

Nope. She's 45, which means she has much less male attention now than 20 years ago. She may be hot for 45, but she's ugly for 23.

She co-opts "manosphere lite" ideas and blames her decreasing lack of options on the "pussification of men", as if it were something that existed in a vacuum. Correlation =/= Causation.

In reality, she is part of the reason that this trend exists.

[–]Betterthanuatlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've only approached or made the first move against girls I know... I don't want to just walk up to a random stranger and start flirting, maybe I would at a night club or bar however at a place like school, work, or just at random on the street just seems awkward. But yeah women like dominance, and subreddits like gonewild or other subreddits of a similar nature are filled to the brim with beta males who have successfully been brainwashed by 3rd wave feminism. So I'm not that surprised that these are the type of responses she got. I'm not saying that I'm completely fixed as a guy yet myself. I am from Sweden after all so getting this brainwashing undone is going to be a bit difficult. I'm just glad I managed to find this sub at 16 :)

[–]PoopSmearMoustache 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The happiness of man is, "I will." The happiness of woman is, "He will."

"Lo! now hath the world become perfect!"—thus thinketh every woman when she obeyeth with all her love.

Obey, must the woman, and find a depth for her surface. Surface, is woman's soul, a mobile, stormy film on shallow water.

Man's soul, however, is deep, its current gusheth in subterranean caverns: woman surmiseth its force, but comprehendeth it not.—

Then answered me the old woman: "Many fine things hath Zarathustra said, especially for those who are young enough for them.

Strange! Zarathustra knoweth little about woman, and yet he is right about them! Doth this happen, because with women nothing is impossible?

And now accept a little truth by way of thanks! I am old enough for it!

Swaddle it up and hold its mouth: otherwise it will scream too loudly, the little truth."

"Give me, woman, thy little truth!" said I. And thus spake the old woman:

"Thou goest to women? Do not forget thy whip!"—

Thus spake Zarathustra.

[–]1mr_nate_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can only imagine the shear amount of sweat that started dripping from the fat lard feminists' brows when she stated:

Its like trying to tell a man to be attracted to an overweight woman because its 'whats inside that counts' regardless of the fact that he normally gets hard for slim fit women, its not going to happen.

These older women know what's up, and they're not going to pull any punches or spew bullshit from their mouths to cater to fee fees. She all at once backed up RP theory and blasted the land whales with a Real-Life Nuke.

[–]WordsNotToLiveBy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No offense, but I wouldn't be listening to a lot of what a 45yo single woman is trying to impart about dating, aside from the obvious, which is what she specifically likes. Which ended up creating a shit storm out of nothing.

She gave her like/dislikes and preferences on how she would like to be approached. Perfectly fine, yet many took it way too personally.

On the other hand, she's 45 and still single, so there is a lot more going on there.

But most importantly, I don't think any men should be taking advice from women about how men are supposed to be in the first place. They will never know what it's like to be a man. Not completely. I think all the teachings here still hold true (eg. AWALT, etc.) including her.

[–]1RPAlternate42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Any commentary I add in an RP sense is just a circle jerk at this point: what needs to be said had been said.

With THAT said: that is a damn good-looking 45 year old... And if the last picture is legit, she passes the swim test.

But, you gotta wonder: what the fuck is wrong with her? And we all know the answer: rode the CC hard, alpha widowed, married beta, divorced for Chad, Chad bounced, she's alone, still hot, wants more CC to fill the emptiness of her Alpha-widow hole.

So, I guess I will add to the circle jerk

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even at my worst blue pill ever, I was never so delusional as to believe that women can come to me without any effort on my part. I just assumed everyone understood that the man always had to make the first move, whether that was fair or not.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If more girls my age took care of themselves like she appears to have, more of them would get to fuck me. I approach if I see her doing stuff like that, unless she's fat, ugly, or I have better/important shit to do. Most old chicks look like wrinkled hags or fat sacks of lard, so they are rarely on my radar. Saw a decent one today, but she was with her man and she is a rarity around here.

One older girl I'm seeing tells me the same shit, she wants a dominat man with rough hands, capable and confident. She can't easily get a soft hands office type who will let her spend his money, but she'd rather get fucked by me, the car guy who lives in the woods. She drives seven hours just to get fucked for two or three days every month. One time she came up she ended up working, I had her driving the tractor while I put big ass rocks in the bucket. Funny watching a city girl drive a small tractor. She dumped a better looking guy than me because he said ow in a whiny voice when she banged his shin during a fuck session.

In this environment it is like shooting fish in a barrel. No real competition out there. The decent lookin older girls all say the same thing this one does. Still though, good luck getting me when I can fuck little ms college sophomore.

[–]darkrood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You should do a Field report, but then again, I guess you are really not the "HEY Guys, look what I pick up today~~" kind of guy.

[–]1NV0K3R 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Time and time again my RP infused brain pushes back the weak BP coward:

that chick has walked by you 5 times and has looked at you every time, why are you just standing here
so this chick is totally following you around the dance floor, why don't you just dance with her
fuck you're bored, go talk to someone who cares if you come off as an asshole, that's the whole point

Honestly, the average american man is so fucking pussified that girls are SHOCKED into horniness if a random (disclaimer: good looking, not-awkward) man walks up out of nowhere and blatantly hits on them.

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[–]zuchit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that women has more RP power than those guys in the comments.

[–]michael_wilkins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Linked to from SRS V2 Subreddit Drama. Damn I want to read that not the original.

[–]my_redpill_account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So funny how people are all about not judging someone and their life choices but will freak the fuck out if your choices aren't ones they approve of.

Men need to get over this.

[–]4benny2lava0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats some real talk. I used to use that same shit in my blue days to justify being too much of a pussy to approach.

One thing I say to myself before I walk over "If someone has a problem with you taking to them. Its them who have a problem not you"

Its a rule for all social interaction not just game.

Ive reached a point where I only talk to women whom I have a sexual interest in. After that she had better be about something and be interesting or im out the door.

Betas need get over their feelings and their ego. No risk no reward.

Compare red pill and blue pill like having a job and having a business.

[–]elili 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another answer I find interesting:

Its not like i asked for the moon, i just asked for a man to take a risk and make the first move.

cut the romantic comedy crap, just cut to the chase, be a man (not a given nowadays) and and take me

20 years ago this wasnt even a debate, men just naturally enjoyed chasing women, now they want to be passive and sit back while the women chase them

Things were more fun pre-feminazis (however, I wouldnt say some "men" want to be pasive, they've been scared away by the loud SWJ's)

well women will only chase alphas so by that theory the rest of the men will be left out in the cold, that seems a worse fate than risking a little rejection.

Straight from the horse's mouth

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"20 years ago this wasn't even a debate"

[–]JablesRadio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll never forget being 18 years old at my local mall with a group of friends when a VERY attractive 40-something woman walks up to the starbucks kiosk we're all sitting around. We were all looking at her and I got the idea to just go right up and tell her what we were all thinking. Friends wouldn't do it, and they didn't think I would but I did it, not expecting much of anything to come from it. I walked up to her and told her directly, loud enough for the starbucks employees to hear it, that I thought she was beautiful (or something along those lines, can't remember exactly what I said.) She said thanks, I gave a smile, then went and sat back down with my friends feeling like the big man.

Well, surprise, surprise. After she got her coffee, she walked right over and sat across from me at my table and we got some pretty hot conversation going really quickly. Ended up going back to her place about 4 hours later to have the best sex my 18 year old self could have imagined.

[–]mrpCamper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm mid forties. A high school friend of mine is now a high school teacher. He was telling me this summer that the sex scene in HS is more promiscuous than when we were in school and that it's the girls that are taking charge and initiating.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow the first part of Reddit to not be a bunch of whiny pissbags because they're being told that sometimes the only option is to be a fucking man. Hot girls have options and don't chase

[–]Thizzlebot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol whatever it's more for the real men who are willing to take risks.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuuuck. If a had a dollar of every time a girl looked at me saying I like you, I would have bought an airplane a fucked all of them on it by now. I need to up my game.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing about being on the opposite side of an argument is that you generally will try your absolute hardest to deny the other person's argument. Its only later that you "truly" take in account everything that was said.

Hopefully, some of these people will wake up from these words. "She's right. Sexy women do like manly men. Obviously there are some women who don't care either way. But the vast majority do and there is nothing wrong with that. Time to man the fuck up!"

[–]1Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm surprised at the presence of a bunch of guys who post on TRP condemning her there. There's a whole bunch of "That's equality for you, suck it up", which is a weird thing to say for someone's presumably opposed to that state of affairs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God these "men" are pussies.

[–]NecroticFury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this bitch can get on tinder if she doesn't want a feminine man. She has no right to complain when its really the men suffering because of her attachment traditional gender roles.


Masculine men are the minority, and we shouldn't work against that. Tell women that they should expect a feminine man and they will be all the more turned on when I stroll along.

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