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28 year old woman on TwoX gets a cold hard slap of reality - high value men are avoiding her. Commenters furiously rationalize it away and tell her everything will be alright. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: Woman approaching wall at breakneck speeds. Logs onto online dating sites and starts realizing that her marketability isn't what it used to be; she's not getting dates with high quality men, and most guys want younger girls. Commenters try to hide it all under the rug and tell her "You go, girl!"

Thread here.

A lot of people here say that women don't work out and make gainz - but I disagree. Most women work out very hard to strengthen a specific part of their body - the rationalization component of their brains. Otherwise known as the hamster.

That hamster starts pumping iron like nobody's business and grows bigger and bigger as a woman grows older. It's terrifying to know that your sexual market value drops year by year - and so many women squeeze their eyes shut and rationalize reality away.

That's what happened on TwoXChromosomes yesterday. An OP posted the following:

I decided to reactivate my Okcupid account after a long hiatus. I started browsing profiles and I saw that a lot of guys my age(28) had their dating ranges set to 21-26, when they were 30 themselves. It really is starting to set in now, that I am too old for guys my own age. Things like this make me want to cry.

My younger sister is already engaged and she is 22, while I still haven't found a guy. And while I can say that I have a lot of accomplishments under my belt, I don't have anyone to share it with. It really does scare me as I get older. If I date a guy, I need to know if he is looking towards marriage. If I don't, than I might waste my time. If I do, I might scare him away even if he was interested.

I really am feeling scared now. I was hoping you all can give me advice on how to date at this age.

It sucks, doesn't it, to know that your prime years are behind you? That instead of doing anal for every nightclub Chad who caught your eye, maybe you should have been developing good feminine qualities to lock down a high-value man? And that it's too late...

This woman could have received realistic advice. She could have been cautioned to not get fat, to take up feminine hobbies that show she's still good wife material, to lower her expectations.

But no. Dat hamster is too powerful in the minds of the commenters...

There are going to be men on dating sites that want to date women younger than you. You do not want to date those guys. Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me, even if I fall inside the age range that he is seeking, because typically these men are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a youthful, naive ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a guy like that? Not me, man.

You heard it first on TwoX, folks. If a man prefers the look of a younger, lithe, feminine girl, that means he is immediately a shitlord. No ifs, ands or buts. If he was a good man, he would be dropping on one knee to marry the high-performing (and old) ambitious independent career woman! Right?

I think that the guys who are 30 and set their dating range to 21 - 26 are doing you a favor. A person who will only date people who are 9 - 4 years younger than them is not a person I would want to have a relationship with.

So you don't want a relationship with 99% of men out there, then? Cause I hate to break it to you, honey, but men overwhelmingly prefer women who have just crested 20 years old. Actually the real preferred age may have even been younger if OKCupid had allowed men to choose younger ages (the cutoff in the study was 20).

Me: 28F. Never married. Met current boyfriend less than a year ago through mutual friend (who plays Magic the Gathering). Current boyfriend is 23M, and has no issues with my being older than him.

Lol. Yeah I'm sure he's a catch. 5 years younger than you and plays Magic the Gathering. Let's be honest with ourselves: when you guys read that description, what image popped into your mind? I'm getting visions of 1930s headgear, stained t-shirts, and probably a beer belly.

Redefine "spinsterhood". I know a lot of "spinsters" who are happy as clams, so don't dismiss it. They do what they want, when they want. They have houses, families, jobs, vacations... a boyfriend every now and then.

The cherry on top of the hamster cake. If you don't like reality... just redefine it! It's that easy.

Bottom line: women don't know shit about how to handle the unfortunate realities of life. They would rather live in their fantasy world. If you meet a woman like this, run the other way.

TL;DR: Feminism is its own worst enemy. It pretends to empower women, but really only puts a blindfold over their eyes and convinces them to deny the reality of aging and the Wall. In the end, it's the women who feel the pain - the same women that feminism claims to be helping.


[–]El_Nolio 441 points442 points  (149 children)

In the top comment "This culture LOVES to tell women that they have an expiration date". Ageing is a social construct now. The hamsters are reaching new levels.

[–][deleted] 196 points197 points  (102 children)

society didn't say shit. Her current options are speaking loud and clear.

I notice there is no mention of her qualities. Is she in shape? What has she been doing the past decade? is she personable, or a harpy cunt most of the time? What possible justification does she have to compare against someone younger, with no baggage, and possibly hotter?

Just showing up isn't cutting it anymore. It's really too bad she didn't have a hard-assed grandmother to give her that info.

Or she could always look for silverbacks in their 50s. a 50 year old wouldn't mind a 30 year old, I notice that conversation isn't in there either.

[–]Sdom1 137 points138 points  (41 children)

Even guys in the 33-35 range will date a 28 year old. I'm guessing she's one of those girls that thinks a guy 5 years older than her is old and gross, and yet everyone else is an asshole for having age preferences.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Seriously. 28 isn't over the crest, unless... there are mitigating factors such as weight, hygiene, nature SHITLORD MEN

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (37 children)

Doubtful she thinks of it this way. Most girls out of college are willing to date a 60 year old if he has George Clooney looks. What's more likely is that she's seeing the guys willing to go for her and getting upset that they're uglier than they were before. Plenty of guys in that range will date a 28 year old. I'd say a vast majority would, but the sort of guys in that age range that look like the kinds of guys she used to date are either married or still dating the mid-twenties crowd.

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[–]Fuck_shadow_bans 28 points29 points  (19 children)

60 years old with looks gets you a lot of attention if you can fake being wealthy. People naturally assume that you are well off at that age.

[–]foldpak111 24 points25 points  (18 children)

That's true but to be honest, it's better to be wealthy and have no one know so you can preserve it and peace the fuck out 20 years from now and live in the Bahamas or some shit. I run 2 small business and work a 9-5 pulling in anywhere from 12k to 15k per month. By no means wealthy but when I first got into this I was like "I'm gonna show all these haters and prove them wrong." It was really scary actually because I'm hiding it all so I can make my getaway. I don't want to be surrounded by yes men and prefer the way I'm treated right now; like shit!

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 16 points17 points  (5 children)

You can have friends that know your wealth: other wealthy men. They deal with the same BS as you and have other men like them around for support.

Never ever let a woman know your wealth. Ever no exceptions and I mean it. Bad things have happened to the wealthy friends of mine and every single time there was a woman behind it looking to get a quick buck.

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I forgot to mention that; other wealhy men. It's easy to hide it, too. You can pimp out your apartment (28 inch iMac, baller sofa, home gym, etc...), but no nice car, no dress clothes, none of that.

That's reserved for later in life once you make your getaway. Personally, I can't wait to own a Ferrari Spyder. But I'll be far from civilization when that happens.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I imagine myself in my 40s driving through Monaco in my Exige back to my luxury apartment to bang the nice piece of ass in the passenger seat.

If the world thinks that's me in a crisis then call the national guard because I want in on it. Good luck on your getaway, that sounds like the perfect retirement plan.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

at 60 - what the fuck is the point of know one knowing you've got money. You want a gold digger or two around. That's the point. Just know how to handle them.

[–]Fuck_shadow_bans 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Well yes, but if you are 60 and poor, fuck it! Pretend to be rich and get some Grade A while you still can.

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (3 children)

At that point you have nothing to lose.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

At all points you have nothing to lose.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

"she's seeing the guys willing to go for her and getting upset that they're uglier than they were before."

I assume that she conveniently left this out. She is either a 5(pushing almost 30 so it's understandable) or she just left this out.

I know tons of 21-28 year old betas who would date and marry her but they're betas so you know she just leaves them out like always. The hypocrisy...

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

"Where did all the good guys go?" = "The only guys who go for me are either below me or don't stick around" = "I severely over-estimate my value on the relationship market because of the inflated value of women on the sexual market."

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I'm getting awfully close to that mark, but HotorNot rates me a '6' and I pull girls of '7'+ regularly.

Frame and Game rule all.

Oh, and I'm broke.

[–]mugatucrazypills 29 points30 points  (1 child)

my Ex had a therapist after we broke up that told her she needed to go up 10 years in her dating target age to secure what she was looking for in a LTR. Based on what she was describing she wanted.

He was right of course. But She lost it. Repeat questions with new therapists till the answers the hamster wants are received .

[–]MisterMisogyny 52 points53 points  (26 children)

I notice there is no mention of her qualities.

Sure there are:

I have a lot of accomplishments under my belt

Whatever the fuck "accomplishments" are... and supposing that men give a shit about them. Hint: we dont.

[–]mugatucrazypills 48 points49 points  (6 children)

accomplishments: maybe she cheated on her BF and fucked a pro-athlete

[–]notmyusualreddit 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I swear to god my last tinder hookup told me she fucked a local NFL guy as if it said something positive about her.

[–]wordjedi 35 points35 points [recovered]

Whatever the fuck "accomplishments" are

  1. BA in art or womyn's studies or some shit
  2. entry level office job
  3. rents apartment
  4. pisses all spare money away on random trips and clothes, therefore "cosmopolitan" and "fashionable"

[–]mugatucrazypills 11 points12 points  (0 children)

don't forget purse/handbags, it's "normal" femculture for a woman 1 paycheck from homelessness or prostitution to drop hundreds of dollars on a handbag.

Let me repeat. Contemporary women have zero to negative personal equity Prostitution is ultimately the only career available to her.

this is an additional reason why warren buffet has 80 billion dollars and you don't. because there were women in his generation available to marry that understood "home economics".

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (8 children)

I have a lot of accomplishments under my belt

Let's be clear. Men only care about one thing under your belt. And it doesn't start with "A."

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

But it ends with it. And also happens to start with "vagin".

[–]Its_the_other_tj 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh there are plenty off ass guys out there. I'm more of a boob guy myself.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 7 points8 points  (4 children)

in other words she's got a great resume for a MAN and if she was a man looking for a woman it would be appreciated.

[–]RedPillProphet 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Nah, she would be a boring nice guy beta. Expecting hotties for having a stable job.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 15 points16 points  (2 children)

you missed the point. Women quoting resumes as relationship value are putting themselves on the market as a man.

education, job, money are a mans way of demonstrating value (one way of many) they offer zero value TO a man.

[–]MeatRocket23 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Nice master's degree. I want kids and a stay at home mom...

[–]RedPillProphet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I didn't miss the point I expanded on it. That even if she were on the market as a man she'd be unremarkable.

[–]kommissar_chaR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

being an Administrative Assistant for 10 years is an accomplishment!!!!!

[–]__ROOSTER__ 24 points25 points  (1 child)

and thats a big part of feminism, guys can't have preferences. Preferences are only valid for women. So she wont date older but that doesn't count.

"age appropriate" is a woman's technique to maintain value.

[–]grewapair 94 points95 points  (21 children)

I'm 54 and still date early 20s. I tried dating early 30s, but it's terrible. They secretly suspect they are past their expiration date, but need constant validation that it isn't true. So instead of a $50 dinner like a 20 year old is thrilled over, they need a $300 dinner to offset the lack of attention they get anywhere else.

So I get less, pay more. No thanks. 22-28 is my range. When I can no longer pull that, I'll just stop entirely, but so far, it hasn't been a problem.

[–]MeatRocket23 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You are 100% right. When I date a 22-28yo I can actually have some fun. I can take her places she has never seen, and do way more fun things. They generally don't try to have many power struggles or pissing contests with you. It's great. My dating life at 35 is beyond anything I could have wished for in my 20's.

Now if I switch to my age group... They all think they know everything in spite of making every wrong decision in life. Women with some bullshit credentials have a insecure tendency compare you with the best traits of all 300 of her ex boyfriends. When you try to do something nice for them somebody already did it bigger and better.

I'll take young, happy, and, fun over a 30+ womans resume any day.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 28 points29 points  (9 children)

I'm 50 and same. I don't "date" women in their 30s. There is a reason they are single after 29.

18-29 and actually going over 25 is rare.

and I don't buy shit for them. Seriously.

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[–]__ROOSTER__ 19 points20 points  (3 children)

nope I'm pretty normal looking, maybe 6 face. I have a bit of style to my dress and good hair. I'm not fat and I have a little muscle.

What changed for me is my attitude, in other words my frame. I carry myself and value myself as a 9-10. Looks are a woman's game. Looks can get a chick but so can frame. Women get the tingles IRL over all kinds of guys who aren't hot.

Remember nothing a woman says is true. Thinking you need to be a model or actor is listening to what they say. Knowing they fuck the bouncer, bartender, and a dead end guitarist from a dive bar is what they DO.

I spent six months fucking everything that met the minimum standard. I set a goal of one new one a week. I hit two new a week within a month and went from fives and sixes to to 7s then 8s. Honestly I never tried for more as I enjoyed what I was getting.

At first I screwed them of any age if they were screwable, but within a few months my cosmic pheromones were strong :-) and I never went over 29 after that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you approach during the day or at bars at night?

[–]Late30sMasculist 7 points8 points  (3 children)

So I get less, pay more. No thanks. 22-28 is my range. When I can no longer pull that, I'll just stop entirely, but so far, it hasn't been a problem.

Where do you meet the women you date? I've recently started dating again after my last LTR and my plates are aged 29, 32, 32, 41. I'd like to bump a couple off and replace them with one or two in their early 20s, but I'm not sure where to find girls in their late teens / early 20s that will go for a guy who's pushing 40.

[–]grewapair 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The very youngest ones I met in bars and clubs, the opposite of the place to go if you are in your 20s. They all told me they were being hit on by drunk immature frat boys all night and I was a breath of fresh air. I'm intelligent, in exceptional shape, dress well, average height, full head of hair and well below average face. Not every girl is looking for more than someone like me, so you have to do a lot of very fast sifting to find the one, and it can take several months and 200 rejections for every one you find. But they are out there, and they are definitely interested.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I don't buy dinners in general

[–]moose_war 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I notice there is no mention of her qualities. Is she in shape? What has she been doing the past decade? is she personable, or a harpy cunt most of the time? What possible justification does she have to compare against someone younger, with no baggage, and possibly hotter?

No man, according to her she can get any guy she wants at any time. Tons of men choose her over the hot 22 year old. Really.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

LOL at the silverback nickname, never heard that before

[–]GoldPisseR 68 points69 points  (3 children)

This Culture loves to tell men if they don't have monster dicks they are not men.

See I can also play victim.

[–]mugatucrazypills 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I can't. I have a monster dick on the internet.

[–]donttellthefamily 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Everyone has a monster dick on the internet.

[–]slay_it_forward 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ya I have a 10 " black monster cock but I'm white

[–]Thursday088 14 points15 points  (1 child)

So instead of collectively trying to pass on knowledge gained through experiences to the younger generation they would rather perpetuate this bullshit idea and have them end up the same way. That's pathetic. So much for "sisterhood."

[–]Uptonogood 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They're their own worst enemy.

[–]toysjoe 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Women certainly don't have an expiration date, but they all have a best before date.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Fear not. Super Samster is here to save the day.

"Also I understand why people are biased towards biological children, I disagree with it and think it will change with time, but paying out for the biokids and not the adopted seems...less than rational."

Once we remove the desire to have your OWN kids, it'll all be ok. By all means, we should steal children from vulnerable women so that Super Hamster can feel good about riding the carousel until her eggs go rotten. Naturally, this is all men's fault, since we get all finicky about our children being biologically ours.

[–]lll_lll_lll 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Uh, as long as our goal is to be rational and grounded in reality - stealing children from vulnerable women? You realize there are a shit ton of unwanted babies out there who the mother could give a fuck about?

If older women want to adopt them, go right ahead! Give an unwanted child the chance to have someone to call mom instead of grow up in the system and become a criminal. I see that as a silver lining to all the women waiting too long to have their own.

Fucking planet is overpopulated anyway.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 10 points11 points  (3 children)

If older women want to adopt them, go right ahead!

But that isn't what they are doing. Go try and adopt a white newborn. It is going to be very expensive and you are going to wait a long time.

Remember, watch what women do, not what they say. If genes didn't matter, they would take the next baby they could get. Instead they wait and pay for a child they can pretend is their own. Note that it rarely goes like that. Genes matter.

Some light reading from someone that saw both sides of it: http://www.amazon.com/The-Primal-Wound-Understanding-Adopted/dp/0963648004

Note, there are some good families that do adopt the a wide range of children. They do so because they want to help, not because they want to compensate for their broken fertility.

[–]wordjedi 3 points3 points [recovered]

Go try and adopt a white newborn. It is going to be very expensive and you are going to wait a long time.

A family member is involved with the foster care system. I'm no expert, but I guess they rotate the kids so they don't get too attached to any one family? Anyway, lots and lots of foster kids have lived with them and moved on, but not a single white kid yet.

[–]pilledwillingly 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I think these people are forgetting that dating is the exclusion of people who don't interest you. You can date whoever you want as long as they are willing to consent. Want to date a 104 year old transvestite? Then you exclude people who aren't in that category. You just have to accept people's preferences. Age is second only to gender when it comes to most people's criteria for dating. If you fall out of that category? Too bad, bitch.

I hit puberty at 17.5, I'm 29, I still can't grow a beard. I get picked as the youngest amongst a group of 26 year olds. You would have rejected me as being too boyish for most of my life, swallow your sour grapes: I'm a year older than uou but you're too old for me now.

[–]1jb_trp 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It really does scare me as I get older. If I date a guy, I need to know if he is looking towards marriage. If I don't, than I might waste my time. If I do, I might scare him away even if he was interested.

She's like a company whose stock is rapidly falling in value, and she's looking for a long term sucker investor. Women buy into the lie that they can have it all, and when they don't often this is what happens. Her sexual strategy sucks... Women need to unplug from their delusions as much as men do.

[–]MeatRocket23 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Her younger sister one upping her and getting all the attention and validation she thinks she deserves has to be mind fucking the shit out of her.

[–]ChanThunderwang 42 points43 points  (9 children)

Thing is, she is right. Women will never have the short end of the deal. They just lose their advantages.

A 40 yo woman does not have a harder time to get laid than a 40 yo man. She just does not have it 20 times easier anymore like 15 years ago.

[–]sheeshmobaggins 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I disagree that men get the short end. Realistically yeah a 40 year old chick can still get laid easier than a 40 year old dude but I'd say the 40 year old dude will always be happier. The guy will have friends, a career he may love, hobbies, join clubs, buy a boat, say fuck it and move to Mexico etc... A 40 year old chick can do the same but deep down she won't be happy because she never had kids and family, women try to act career based but I believe a women is happiest with a family and raising kids.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I kind of disagree. I think when it comes down to it, ease of getting laid is equal for both sexes once guys get over approach anxiety and start getting lots of face time with women. The issue is always ease of getting laid with people you want. As a 25 year old guy, obviously it's tough. The girls you want are 18-25, and your market is overcrowded. As this post indicates, it is occupied by both 22-28 year old guys and by anyone still attractive enough at any older age. Let's say a 40 year old man wants women 25-33. He will have an easier time getting laid with his target demographic than a 40 year old woman who wants a man 35-50 who is still attractive. Almost anyone at any time can get laid as long as they lower their standards enough, it's just that the target demographic is easier for women to capture at a young age and easier for men to capture at an old age.

The unfortunate reality is that many men get married before taking advantage of their older years, where they have the advantage.

[–]ChanThunderwang 35 points36 points  (2 children)

It is easy for guys after they overcome approach anxiety, but not even close to how easy it is for women.

If a woman does not have sex, she does not want to have sex. Always.

Now if she does not have sex in her 20s, it is because she actually does not like casual sex. If she does not have sex around 40, it is because she does not want to have sex with average looking 40yo men. But it is never that she could not have sex.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You're just arguing semantics. Obviously when someone says "get laid" they don't mean with a crippled obese old woman or a stinky hobo.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Hey, don't knock the stinky hobos. You haven't lived until you've traded an expired can of tuna for a gumjob by trash-fire light.

[–]FemtoG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ain't nothin like a hamster party

[–]1Snivellious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At least the top reply to that points out that any woman wanting a family (with her own kids) really does have an expiration date.

And then, of course, the replies melt down and go "But adoption! Just like having a family of your own!" I honestly can't tell if they're hamstering away aging, or just pushing the idea that raising someone else's kids is as good as raising your own.

[–]Five_Decades 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She has a point though. Women post wall still have a lot of options now due to social media and online dating. A woman can spend her 20s riding the CC, then she can still have a long list of beta orbiters waiting for her when she is post wall.

TL;DR - she isn't wrong.

[–]foldpak111 8 points9 points  (3 children)

There are going to be men on dating sites that want to date women younger than you. You do not want to date those guys. Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me, even if I fall inside the age range that he is seeking, because typically these men are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a youthful, naive ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a guy like that? Not me, man.

Or maybe it's just biology.

[–]nuesuh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The expiration date is called "death". It manifests itself in wrinkles, low fertility, weak bones, increasently frequent illness etc.

I wouldn't want to marry someone that's half dead.. It's a really morbid thing to say, but it's the truth. It's what men think unconciously.

[–]GrandmasterHurricane 27 points28 points  (0 children)

"This culture LOVES to tell women that they have an expiration date, and that they're just past it, no matter how old they are. It keeps women desperate, it keeps our standards low, it keeps us buying products we don't need to meet a standard of beauty that isn't even real".

Welcome to the live of an average male: Desperation, low standards, buying women's time etc. Except this happens for life.

[–]pcadrian 26 points26 points [recovered]

I saw that a lot of guys my age(28) had their dating ranges set to 21-26, when they were 30 themselves.

I'm 27 and my age range is set to 18-24. Must really piss the Wall Crawlers off.

My younger sister is already engaged and she is 22

Sounds like a smart gal. Maybe she's secretly on RPW. Hell I bet she even tried to give her older sister advice, only to be met with nonsensical feminist rhetoric.

I can say that I have a lot of accomplishments under my belt, I don't have anyone to share it with

We don't give a fuck about those accomplishments. No degree or career can fix the lack of a submissive, feminine personality and house skills.

Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me

LOL well it shouldn't matter to us fellas, because only someone who's hit the wall would say this. It's like having a homeless person be mad at me for having a place to live and not wanting to share it with anybody. So feel free to disqualify me doll. Meanwhile I'm going to ask out this cheerful, youthful, full of life and full of hope 20 year old. Her innocent smile is intoxicating... ok I'm getting ahead of myself.

5 years younger than you and plays Magic the Gathering

OK that cracked me up man, I almost ruined my keyboard with coffee. Put a trigger warning or something :)

I gotta say, when I see these old hogs complain, it's great. Maybe I'm a bitter dick about my lack of success in dating in my early 20s, IDK. But every single part of me deeply enjoys the power I discovered within myself: the power to choose.

I am approaching gals in the 18-22 age range left and right, with a decent (30-50%) success rate. And they are LOVELY. The 18 year olds are a bit shy, but by the time they hit 19-20 they really open up to dating an older man. Fuck it feels great when these young dolls smile at you flirtatiously, and I know exactly how to lead things in a romantic direction, so we both have an incredible time together. I think I'm falling in love. With all of them.

[–]Factushima 52 points52 points [recovered]

"They aren't willing to date an equal?" Holy shit that got me laughing. I'll guarantee she dates older guys! Hilarious

[–]Rebikhan 237 points238 points  (108 children)

Men, I know the schadenfreude of "post-wall women" is sweet, but please strive for an end goal of empathy as you move through the anger phase. Men might have the burden of performance, but women have the loss of control... the Christmas Cake. Many of these women were sold a bill of goods that they would still be attractive in their 30s, and now a significant number are realizing the lie.

The blue pill might be brutal but you can always recover and improve your SMV after learning the truth. Women can't, and the mental torment many of them go through at this realization is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

[–][deleted] 164 points165 points  (32 children)

Bear with me on this analogy, but I see this every day when I get home, and it really helps keep my anger in check with women.

I live with two dogs, one male, and one female. They are siblings from the same litter. The male is an athletic freak who can chase frisbees down in a park for hours. He has an insatiable drive to do this. When we are outside, his life mission is chasing down frisbees. His sister has bad hips, is lower to the ground, slightly overweight, and couldn't catch a frisbee if you hit her in the back of the mouth with it.

Everyday when I step out to our spacious backyard to play with them, the male dog runs and grabs a frisbee and brings it to me, drops it at my feet, and waits for me to throw it. I pick it up, he goes running, and I throw it deep. At this point, the female dog will immediately give up on the idea of chasing the frisbee herself. She knows she can't catch it, and she sure as hell won't beat him to it. What does she do? She chases after him and bites at his ankles. Then after he catches it, she tries to wrestle it away from him, biting his ankles when he gets away from her. I lightly scold her, as she knows that I don't like this behavior, and what does she do? One of two things: She will either go get some other old frisbee and go off in the corner and chew the living shit out of it. She will completely consume it if I don't stop her. The male dog has yet to so much as put a bite mark in a frisbee. If she doesn't do that, she will run over to some grassy bushes and start eating her sorrows away by munching on grass and leaves.

An angry man could simply just despise the female dog. What a bitch, right? Honestly though, she is a great dog. You just have to realize the disadvantages she has in fighting for my attention. You have to have some sympathy for why she behaves the way she does.

How does the male dog handle all of this? Like a fucking champ. Not like some anger-phase, new to TRP guy. They get along great. When they are playing by themselves, he will often let her win in every contest. Wrestling, tug of war, whatever. He completely understands that there is nothing for him to prove to himself or her. In fact, it is extremely common that male dogs will let female dogs win.

I hope you get the point. Be proud to be a man. Hate women all you want for who they are in our society today, but try to understand why they are the way they are. They don't have the options that we have. They have an expiration date a about 35 years old. Their manipulative behaviors and disgusting things that they do are sadly the best options that some of them have.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Their manipulative behaviors and disgusting things that they do are sadly the best options that some of them have.

I don't even see the manipulation as that horrible. That's what drew me to... I guess, that Red Pill philosophy.

It simply is. No use getting pissed about it, that's how women evolved to select for mates, and if we're being real here... Red Pill isn't exactly tellling men NOT to be manipulative. All's fair in love and war, and it's resulted in a species that set foot on the fucking moon.

[–]GRL_PM_ME_UR_FANTASY 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It simply is. No use getting pissed about it, that's how women evolved to select for mates, and if we're being real here

Exactly. Which is why the "LOL stupid whore should have settled 5 years ago" comments are so lame. Like we get it dude you're ugly and girls passed on you. You can either improve or complain about women's natural state which isn't changing anytime soon.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don't even see the manipulation as that horrible.

Yeah, it actually is really horrible. Many men are utterly destroyed by their interactions with women.

So many men investing and slaving away for women believing that in some way their hard work will be rewarded. The result? Suicide, incels, dead bedrooms, wage slaves, alimony, child support (which is mostly alimony), false rape accusations, false violence accusations, never ending passive aggression ... so much misery in the world. It could all be fixed by women just being honest and stop manipulating. Actually work instead of trying to enslave men through the courts.

It really is that horrible for most men out there, don't downplay the impact women have on the world.

[–]648262 29 points30 points  (4 children)

I get so much more from comments like your than anger-posts like the ones above. Keep at it, and thanks for sharing!

I love dogs, and they are like extreme caricatures of people - i learned a lot about people from having a dog in my younger years.

[–]KonigInPreussen 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Seconded. I wouldn't mind if the mods pushed the "If your post is just spiteful, and not informative, don't post" rule a little more.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (6 children)

I get what you're saying but to me the analogy ends when the female dog removes the male dog's rights, suckers him into alimony, and takes his kids. Female ankle biting isn't cute because it's actually very very dangerous.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

They can do even worse than that man. Regardless, anger won't make it go away. Understand what drives women to do these things and do everything in your power to not become a victim. Be proud you are in a position such that you won't ever have to stoop to their kevels.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Anger helps to not give a fuck and to not prioritize some psychopathic whore. Anger keeps you from going soft and keeps a man fighting. There's no reason to treat anger like a phase. Anger's a purpose.

[–]crestingwave 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Look at it this way. Being angry at women for acting out their nature is like being angry at the sun for rising in the morning, or at the leaves for turning brown in the Fall. Once you gain social intelligence and adjust your expectations you can make the game work for you.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They have an expiration date a about 35 years old.

I hear you, and you're right. I can accept but not entirely forgive how I've been treated by women. They had a billion options and couldn't even be helpful or honest or nice to me. I was manipulated for their benefit, starting with my upbringing and continuing with every woman I tried to date or be friends with.

What they did was immoral, wrong and above all selfish. In other words: they took full advantage of their market position. Fine, I accept that. And now it is my turn to take advantage of what I've worked hard for. And their turn to do some accepting. I'm really enjoying the market correction.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

This is totally true. Young feminists screaming about how they are "victims of the patriarchy" are truly victims of the matriarchy.

They are tricked by people like big red into wasting their best years fighting an imaginary war. It's really sad actually.

Seeing things this way have really helped me with the anger phase which I think I'm almost through with.

[–]JackGoldsteinWrites 39 points40 points  (18 children)

A worthy post, sir.

It makes no one's life better, least of all the reader's, to sit here chortling at the trials and tribulations of another lost soul.

Women are humans too, and they are, in many ways, on the same journey as us, to self-realization and enlightenment. For that reason we should empathize with anyone who is misled and fundamentally denied happiness (women do need a man to be happy).

I truly emphatize with the alpha widows like Jennifer Aniston and the post-wall ex-CC riders who wake up to a hollow existence. You can't un-widow, you can't reverse time. It's insanely cruel.

[–]KarYotypeStereotype 47 points48 points  (14 children)

And I think, at the end of the day, this phenomenon is what many women are grasping at when they refer to the patriarchy. Women are not oppressed by men as they claim, but it is assuredly better to be male, because men have the chance to continue to become more valuable right up until senility. Women, regardless of what they do with their lives, at some point hit the wall. I think they witness men becoming happier, more confident, more fulfilled, more comfortable as their lives go on, while women become more neurotic, more jaded, more bitter, and more desperate as the wall approaches and beyond. They falsely attribute it to inequality of opportunity, or some sort of cultural issue, when in reality it is merely that across time and all societies, men and women are valued differently and are made happy and whole by different things. "Patriarchy" boils down to the lament that women are born with 90% of their value as humans as innate characteristics, namely their womb and their genetics, while men largely have the opportunity to shape their future. We can fail much more significantly, and there is no male safety net, but ultimately we are the largely the architects of our own destinies. Patriarchy really refers to the fact that the bedrock of human society is the uterus, and along with it femininity, beauty, youth, and fertility, and that all other human effort strives to attain and protect these things. Men are free from the burden of being what is sought, and instead are free to be the seeker. We are valued for what we do and not what we are.

It must be exasperating to be the flower that everyone wants to pick until it is no longer in bloom, and so I can see why they spend so much effort and energy trying to be something other than what they are. Despite all of the anger on this sub about the male situation, women do truly have it worse. I would not trade places with them.

[–]ReasonFreak 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well said sir, I've come to believe that a lot of what's keeping feminism alive is misplaced female anger. They know they're mad at something, dissatisfied with something and then along come the feminists to tell them that it's all the patriarchy's fault when it's really just a woman's lot in life. The mature thing to do would be to try to build something on that lot but all too many take the easy route of blind feminist rage.

[–]Sendmeyour 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I thought this was well thought out and one of the best comments I've read on this sub this week.

The only thing I might add is that a woman can decide to pursue a meaningful career and a meaningful life as a mother but the two together are almost mutually exclusive. It takes years to get settled into a career you enjoy both financially and spiritually, sometimes decades. Unfortunately they have a time clock set by our ape ancestors that works against them if they want both. I imagine this could be a reason for this lashing out of female hostility towards the "patriarchy", which might really just be mother nature and time.

A successful woman is extremely attractive, but so are the stargate hips and beautiful freshness of a 20 year old. That's just science I think.

These are things mothers should be talking to their daughters about instead of leaving them to hit a wall some weren't wise enough to see coming.

[–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A successful woman is extremely attractive? You mean like Jennifer 'face glazed like a doughnut with cum' Lawrence? I've never been attracted to a high paid high power business woyman, like this one I know how is a self made millionaire of great tallent with a thyroid problem built like a refrigerator. I prefer her sexy younger sister who is training to be a doctor - not because of the doctor thing - but because she looks stunning. I'd still like her if she was training to be a burger flipper! It's natural femininity, youth and beauty every time. Helps if they can hold a conversation. I'm the man, to me she's just a girl.

[–]Jimmy_Big_Nuts 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Beautiful writing. However, I think this only applies to men with the potential to become something. You clearly have mental facilities and a way with worlds. If you were a man who failed hard in life, that no one gave a shit about, homeless, ill, maybe not completely sane, etc... Makes me shudder to think how completely some men are discarded. I feel more for homeless men than ugly women.

[–]ChanThunderwang 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Many of these women were sold a bill of goods that they would still be attractive in their 30s

Could vs Would

I am in my mid 20s and sometimes women up to 35 still look absolutely attractive to me. This does not mean that a 20 yo woman should speculate that she will be this woman. 70% just get fat and are undateable by 25. But 100% think they will be the woman who looks good with 40.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 38 points39 points  (2 children)

sometimes women up to 35 still look absolutely attractive to me

There are lots of drop-dead gorgeous 35+ year old women. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise.

But here's the thing, picture one of those women in your head. Now try to imagine what she looked like at 25.

Yeah. That is the real point. We men place so much emphasis on physical beauty, and it declines for everyone. Men have a bit more collagen so we age a little better, but we're not immune. The difference is that women (thank god) are more attracted to signs of status, and social intelligence. As a result, with a bit of focus and discipline, you can actually improve yourself. 35 year old you might actually be more attractive than 25 year old you. That is literally never true for women.

Another thing that people misunderstand is that they think I'm suggesting 35 year old men are more attractive on average than 25 year old men. I'm not saying that - not at all. In fact, I'd say that the majority of men let themselves go.

What I'm saying is that if you imagine yourself at 25 trying to pick up some girl, whether you succeed or fail - if a portal opened up and 35 year old you stepped out of it, what I'm saying is that 35 year old you could (with focus and discipline) look approximately the same. But 35 year old you could be a lot smoother, have a lot higher social status, more money, and be generally better with women. 35 year old you could give 25 year old you a run for his money.

...and that is never true with women. They can never step through the portal and say, "hey! I have a great career now! Don't you want to date me?" Nope. 25 year old you is hotter. "But! I spent a year in Europe! I learned some French!" Nope. 25 year old you is hotter.

[–]Piroko 25 points26 points  (31 children)

Men, I know the schadenfreude of "post-wall women" is sweet, but please strive for an end goal of empathy as you move through the anger phase.

Firstly I think you mean sympathy, not empathy. I can understand a person's emotions and still wish them ill.

But regarding your point... why?

Seriously, why?

Sympathy is not owed, sir. If it is desired, it must be earned.

These people do not deserve sympathy. They selfishly and foolishly squandered their advantages while they had them, and now those advantages are gone.

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

[–]TheDreadPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can relate to this completely. Taking the red pill in my thirties has changed my life, pulling girls in their early 20's. I am looking for a LTR though (shocking to say on this forum at times, and a family is what I want), but seeing women start to wake up to this reality the hard way is downright painful. I had and still have a lot of female friends from my blue pill days who bought into the whole Sex and the City lifestyle, and now I see them pining over their youth and wondering the cliche thought of where have all the good men gone. You can't play captain hindsight and tell them maybe you shouldn't have spent your youth on your career and being a part time, unserious girlfriend. The level of jadedness is terrible, the level that, for men, brings men to this forum. We can still change, testosterone still flows. Women can change, and some have, but it's too easy to remain blue pill feminist. It's comfortable saying it is someone else's fault. Blue pill men do the same. That's the core distinction between red and blue, forward thinking responsibility.

Empathy is not blue pill or red pill. How you react to it defines the pill.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

they're all mentally screwed and fucked the older they get. the more cocks they ride, the more they lose their souls. i will never date a woman above the age of 24 ever again. they have too much experience and baggage, they're all head cases.

[–]foldpak111 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't even get me started on dealing with them in the workplace.

[–]1FrogTrainer 76 points77 points  (10 children)

5 years younger than you and plays Magic the Gathering. Let's be honest with ourselves: when you guys read that description, what image popped into your mind?

Literally a basement dwelling, fedora hat wearer. Or in other words, the perfect boyfriend for a subscriber of TwoX

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (7 children)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TYqtzmggnVw

This is what the average redditor looks like, these are the same chumps who try and call us out.

Heres another example

http://i.imgur.com/jxFwbe0.jpg

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 19 points20 points  (2 children)

This right here is why we always need to see the parties involved when there's any sort of relationship discussion. Mere descriptions of the situation are not enough. So many redditors I've seen (outside of gonewild) are fucking unremarkable at best, and more often than not some level of unfuckable manchild/neckbeard.

[–]PanzerBatallion 7 points8 points  (1 child)

So where's the redpill group photo?

[–]gamefuck 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea exactly. We're all reformed betas here. I know I'm sexy as fuck but most of the people here are probably still ugly.

[–]GRL_PM_ME_UR_FANTASY 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's so revolting to see how far people can let themselves go. Like it's one thing if you're actively trying to make a change (or at the very least recognize that there's a problem). But if you're like 300 pounds and just chugging along with fast food and alcohol like most people in that pic it's just a disgusting waste of genetic potential imo.

[–]Assassin1476 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I feel like Spartacus, Bringer of Rain after seeing that picture.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

5 years younger

funny how they just ignore what they would call a "double standard".

Guy is dating a girl 4 years younger than he is? he sucks. I'm dating a guy 5 years younger? age is just a number

also lol @

They are chasing a youthful, naive ideal

Kind of like chasing the idea that you're young, hot, and in-demand from all guys, including ones your age? That kind of a youthful and naive ideal?

lmao

[–]ChanThunderwang 54 points55 points  (12 children)

There are going to be men on dating sites that want to date women younger than you. You do not want to date those guys. Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me, even if I fall inside the age range that he is seeking, because typically these men are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a youthful, naive ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a guy like that? Not me, man.

Funny how she turns it around like she is the one with the standards who is in power...

[–]Kiluan 52 points53 points  (0 children)

She also makes it sound like younger women aren't equals or are somehow lesser than their somewhat older counterparts.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Or as if she is equal at all. Equal to what, exactly? You can't just claim you're an equal and have it be so.

[–]unassumingusername7 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Well everyone's equal to everyone, duh. Except the men who won't date her are shitlords. And the men who will date her are creeps. But everyone's equal.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I get the sarcasm, but she clearly does not believe in equality for all. She's saying she is better than the younger women, which shows the lack of equality as well as her own ego.

It essentially boils down to the delusion of her own value. She's better than the man who won't date her. She's better than the younger women... etc. The only person who is her equal is the fantasy man she wants and this OP who reminds her of herself.

The only time that delusions like this come up are either with mental illness or a sense of defensiveness. She's looking to defend her ego by hyping up this other woman and attempting to explain her superiority. As is usually said here, it's quite interesting to see she truly understands she is at a disadvantage but decides to be defensive instead of actually doing anything to better herself and change her position.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is quite literally the purest form of hamstering. It's such a disservice to women that they allow this narrative to continue.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The fact that she is using a dating site to find men says all that I need to know about her.

[–]mygunuface 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cognitive dissonance, you can't have something so you tell yourself you never wanted it anyways.

[–]foldpak111 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women tend to do this a lot. They will act like the ball is always in their court because they know they can get away with it because who the fuck is going to believe you, little man? I'm a woman living in America, 2015. Better stay in line!

[–]Glennus626 81 points82 points  (17 children)

Relevant best example of hitting the wall I've ever seen in musical form.

She should look on the bright side -- she realized at 29 what the real deal is, so she's a couple years ahead of the curve.

[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (7 children)

Yep, this is the constant attitude I see on social media as well which is why i loved that video since my age group is turning 30 next year. Lots of single women around this age 'travel' I've noticed.

Now our goal is to strive to be the best we can be, and should any former CC-rider, single mom, or post-wall woman try to lure you from your awesome life in your late 20s/30s/40s to lock you down as a BB there's no need to be rude when rejecting her, just say something arbitrarily absurd, something they would have said when they were at their prime as a hot young 19-24 year old when the world revolved around them... "I just need time for myself right now to enjoy meeting new people. Remember you can't go looking for it, it will just happen."

Then hold back the hysterical Joker laugh from coming out.

[–]Borsao66 26 points27 points  (1 child)

"Sorry, but I'm super busy, plus I gotta go give my pet piranah his oral meds here in a bit, cya"

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

This is so funny, just asume that they want to be treated like they treated you.

[–]systemshock869 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Projection's a bitch, huh bitch?!

[–]MustNotFfff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm so using this line at some point. Count on it ;)

[–]1raceAround126 10 points11 points  (7 children)

I think I watched that like 3 times... the first time I have ever seen women actually being funny.

[–]BucketOfSunshins 22 points23 points  (2 children)

There are some gems out there. This one is my favorite. "Girls are assholes - at a bar" https://youtu.be/hbeEuYAZFL4

[–]Uptonogood 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Everything in life is an extrapolation of rules 1 and 2. People act all high and mighty, but the truth is were nothing more than naked apes driven by instinct.

[–]BucketOfSunshins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but the truth is were nothing more than naked apes driven by instinct.

I partially disagree. I joke that humans are like a driver on an elephant. The naked ape instinct is the elephant. It's a hell of a lot bigger and stronger than "modern man" would like to admit. Our conscious mind is the driver on top. Yeah, he's got some reins and can do some influence, but he's not really in charge. It's only when the elephant lets him drive.

The biggest flaw with the modern conception of "free will" is that it's completely unfettered by biological concerns. Oh, the hubris.

[–]mmmicky 3 points3 points [recovered]

I'd never listened to them until now. They are genuinely clever people, assuming they write their stuff.

It's too bad that the only female comedians that get widespread attention are just plain terrible, perpetuating the idea that women are incapable of being funny.

[–]ColonelMitchell 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yo check out the comments on that video. RP truths and hamstering abound.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

There's no explanation for anything the commenters are saying. They simply state something as though it is factual. Like guys wanting to date below their age range being not worth dating. Where's the reasoning, what's the thought process behind it?

Obviously the only thought process behind this is trying to protect their self image by trying to shame anyone who disagrees with how they see things.

[–]usul1628 40 points41 points  (6 children)

When the first words you use to describe your BF are how you met and how he plays Magic, you know you've got a catch.

[–]Uptonogood 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Its weird, I used to Play it a few years back. The most "professional" player my local store had was also ripped as fuck. It was bizarre seeing him with all the neckbeards.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I used to know a small business owner who plays Magic. They're not all neckbeards.

[–]Uptonogood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. My local store was mostly adults who played at night while getting drunk (the store's most lucrative product was beer, not cards).

Surprisingly there were a few girls, some even attractive. I figure they just liked all the attention from the nerds. Most had boyfriends though.

[–]usul1628 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh I definitely agree, I know two guys who play magic, but it wouldn't be how their gfs introduced them to strangers

[–]Uptonogood 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's ok to have nerdy hobbies. What's pathetic is letting it define who you are.

Making your whole identity as a person out of some escapist fantasy is really sad.

[–]Grain_Man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, unless this chick is a Magic groupie (which is possible if unlikely), that's a really odd way to introduce him.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Hamsters are spinning into orbit

[–]Borsao66 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's cause they're high. You know.. Hamsterdam.

[–]Fafner2 14 points15 points  (2 children)

The white knights are orbiting the hamsters

[–]Kiluan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

"TL;DR: Feminism is its own worst enemy."

I've said this in a conversation with a male and female feminist before; they pulled me into their conversation by asking if I was a feminist, I chuckled and said "Noooo", so their focus suddenly went to berating and shaming me about not being a feminist.

I thought the woman's head was going to have a rage-induced explosion when I said it, but she ended up saying, "I can't even take you right now." and walked away. Though I didn't think I won or lost an argument, I got a lot of satisfaction from seeing her storm off and the little turd dude scurry after her.

[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"TL;DR: Feminism is its own worst enemy."

Everything about male female relations, and their physical differences, draw a perfect analogy with adults and children.

Would you treat a child the same way as an adult? Would you give a child all the same privileges and rights? The child will think they want these privileges, but they will ultimately be fucked over by them.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

The response to the top comment was the best:

Comment

Here's the thing. This culture LOVES to tell women that they have an expiration date, and that they're just past it, no matter how old they are. It keeps women desperate, it keeps our standards low, it keeps us buying products we don't need to meet a standard of beauty that isn't even real.

Response

One of the problems when it comes to women and an "expiration date" is that if you want biological children there pretty much IS an expiration date, and when you're approaching 30 or 35 it's a terrifying prospect that you may not be able to have children if that is something that you want.

The hamsters will be forced into overdrive on that one.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who would have thought that sexual attraction had to do with the the ability to conceive?!?

[–]Rooi_Aap 21 points22 points  (1 child)

My younger sister is already engaged and she is 22, while I still haven't found a guy.

Social proof in action.

And while I can say that I have a lot of accomplishments under my belt, I don't have anyone to share it with.

As this guy says: "I can't put my penis in your college degree"

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I like how the top comment is by a women over 40 that says she dates men of all ages..

How come none of all these wonderful men won't commit??????

Ha!

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

my ex reminds me of her. she was approaching the fall too; best woman you will ever meet---- when i didn't commit right away (because how the fuck do u expect me to marry you after a couple months)-----> the ugliest bitch you will ever meet. she was talking about marriage and kids very early, she wanted to lock me down, i felt, she just wanted to be in a relationship and get married. at the time, she would've married anyone who showed her some attention. anyway, when i didn't commit, guess what happened? the best woman i ever met, turned into the most evil bitch i've ever met. i then caught feelings and wanted to stay with her (i became super insecure, beta 99%), but she started to cheat on me- coincidence? think again. she asked me what did take me so long? and that our timing was off all of a sudden......Said the same chick who wanted to marry me months prior. Awalt. TRP. Case closed.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

These stories just make me smile. Whenever I hear the standard approaching 30, spent-up woman, desperately trying to find a man to latch on to it reminds me of how feminism just hurts women. If she can't find a BB soon she will likely have to get cats to fill the void of children in her life

[–]Fuck_shadow_bans 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Feminism isn't it's own worst enemy. It just isn't the friend of most women. Feminism is an ideology of the ugly dykes, by the ugly dykes, and for the ugly dykes. They win by convincing all the normal women to accept their insane victory conditions.

[–]MisterFreeze29 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Everything WILL be alright. She'll find some nice, white-knight beta provider, cheat on him 3 months after marriage, and then collect alimony. Perfect

[–]hebola4lyfe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is the only outcome . Im surprised that so many posters ITT think she is " losing ". She WILL find a beta provider. There are MILLIONS of beta provider in the world.

All she has to do is show a little cleavage and put some makeup on and bam BB starts throwing money in her account .

Beta providers are the source of all this shit . If it werent for the beta providers , there wouldnt be any feminist women.

[–]moose_war 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All right, I just gotta rant a bit on this:

I think that the guys who are 30 and set their dating range to 21 - 26 are doing you a favor. A person who will only date people who are 9 - 4 years younger than them is not a person I would want to have a relationship with

[–]berdbergs 2 points 1 day ago This is the correct attitude. Those guys are not people you want to date anyway.

They keep saying this in here but I don't know what it means. Men who have a preference for younger women are bad?

Now I mean, if you're a top guy the smart thing to do is cast a wide net for mere appearances and ignore the old chicks but I don't get why finding younger women attractive is so bad.

From miss crusty herself:

Just go and make yourself a fake profile on OKCupid as a moderately attractive 25-year-old woman. Notice the types of responses you get from men, while noticing the age ranges that they are seeking (For example, what kind of response do you get from a 30-year-old seeking 18-25, vs a 30-year-old seeking 25-35?).

Wait why is being 30 and wanting someone 5 years older OK but being 30 and wanting someone 8 years younger bad? Huh?

There is this idea among these women that you're a lesser man and "can't handle" a woman who is your "equal" (huh?) if you don't want to date women your age (or hey, maybe a bit older!!). There is this idea that the older a woman gets, somehow she gets more interesting and sexy. This isn't true of anyone per se. You don't get sexier if you don't work for it, and women have gravity and wrinkles to fight against which require the best kinds of planning in your 20s (which most women don't even think about). Even then, youth is just much much hotter in women. Men can get sexier if they work their ass off in the gym and invest in interesting hobbies and game, but that's because women judge men's sexiness by different standards. Yes, young hunks are appealing to women their own age, but the point is a man with a bit of wrinkles still gets women wet (I don't know a woman who wouldn't fuck Michael Fassbender and he's 38 but looks older).

And women seem hellbent on enforcing these standards on our brains too. Like "NO NO NO....YOU have to find older women attractive! You have to think like me!"

Sorry lady, I don't. I find younger women more physically attractive AND more mentally attractive. You know why? Because I'm not looking for a fucking chess partner. You might be more mentally stimulating at 41, in which case you'd be friend material. And older women are never as interesting as they seem to think they are. I'm reminded of Sarah Silverman's inability to take age jokes lobbed at her (what happened Sarah? I thought you were such an edge master??) and how she thinks what she has to say now in her 40s is "vital". Why is it "vital"? What big great experience did you go through? Early menopause? Is that why your body is now shaped like a rectangle? None of this is making my dick care, and that's kind of the problem.

And don't get me wrong. I'll fuck older women. I'll fuck a 40 year old chick if she looks good for 40. But like my man Patrice says "Pussy age like bread, not like wine".

Younger women are pleasant to be around if they have good personalities. They don't want much. Sex, fun, and spending time with you. They aren't trying to tie you down yet or manipulate you into a BB yet.

So why not the best of both worlds? How does MissCrusty compete with a nice, sexy 22 year old with a good personality?

One final point- this comment kills me. Well upvoted, no replies or anything:

You aren't too old for any (adult) age range of men. My mom was single into her thirties then met my dad at age 35 (he was 22) and got married at 36

Ahhh so a 35 year old woman fucking a 22 year old? OKAY. A 35 year old guy fucking a 22 year old? Ew something wrong with him! -41 year old woman.

Fuck it, man. I'm out

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[–]1Claude_Reborn 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I know a girl like this, despite being close to 40, she has a 9 body and is fit as hell from a lifetime of snowboarding.

She is the quintessential "Board bunny" with all the CC riding that went with that lifestyle. She is a funny as hell, and much less basic than most women I know, so I keep in contact.

She is at the point now where she is bemoaning that she can't lock down a guy, and all she is, is a "side piece" for guys. I haven't the heart to tell her the honest truth, because I think it might break her.

[–]cosmicartery 17 points17 points [recovered]

Got a female friend now approaching her mid 30s. We were fwbs for the good part of a year (she rode my cc like the nympho cougar she was) before I relocated and got updated a few months later she locked down a bf. She said they were "joined at the hip" and stuff, and a few months go by when she tells me he cheated on her with a college girl, and they're now dating. I, truly, felt empathy for her. She's in her mid 30s and has been a college-less bartender all her life. I visited and we grabbed a drink. She was practically sobbing into it, saying "I'm ready! I can, like, feel that I'm ready to settle down," bla bla bla... and as much as I felt bad for her, I couldn't stop myself from thinking "You've hit the wall bitch, and you finally realize it." Dang if that's not pathetic as fuck to see in a woman.

[–]1Claude_Reborn 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Yeah I can't be mad at women like that when they have been lied to their entire life by feminism.

They made terrible decisions due to being fed terrible information.

Garbage in, Garbage out.

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dated a seriously hit 39 year old. Rockin body, 6-7 face. For a few years prior to meeting me, she was "side piece" to some dude who strung her along. I fully intended to LTR her, but she would turn on the spoiled brat attitude from time to time. She tried giving me the silent treatment for a couple of weeks to punish me for some mistake I made that she never bothered to communicate to me, so I just let it die on the vine.

(Oddly enough, this was the final relationship that brought me to MGTOW and subsequently TRP).

My point is, they CAN lock down guys if they are older and still hot. They just need to stop sabotaging their relationships because they didn't land a Harlequin romance character for a BF. She had a quasi-Alpha, a financially secure, athletic, manly man, but she shit tested me to bend and I refused and we ended up in a multi-week don't call the other person first standoff.

In retrospect, I feel sorry for her. I was probably her lat best chance, but she acted like a spoiled brat, even at her age, and shit herself in the foot.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So why would she mind a guy who was 33-35ish who might actually want to date her?

Because the Hamster wants to complain and blame. The Hamster is always about blaming other people for its own problems instead of doing something about the problem. This woman has plenty of options (assuming semi-decent looks)...including messaging guy whose cut off is 26. I doubt most guys (esp BP types) are going to care if she's 28...the '26' is to keep the 32 year olds away. She just wants to piss and moan about how 'unfair' shit is....

[–]Swoledinger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here's a simple true fact about the vast majority of guys.

At 20, I looked back and realized how lame the 18 year old me was. At 25, I looked back and realized how much more awesome I was than when I was 20. At 30, I'm better then I was at 25 in every way. Current day, I'm the best yet.

Why would anyone want to 'date' the lesser version of me given the choice. They wouldn't.

A strategic spinster will pick up a man well below herself in terms of years, while he is on his way up, and before he has a chance to realize his stock is increasing while hers is decreasing.

[–]1Halfjor 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Something I'd like to point out is that many women who experience this don't exactly deserve that kick in the gut. For you anger phase guys, try not to be too vindictive. Feminism is to blame for a good amount of this bullshit. Much of the time it's not just solipsism. They've been taught that you can slut it up and "experiment", and still get a high value man. Have your cake and eat it too. Just as many of us have been lied to about female nature, many of these women have been lied to about male nature. They were taught that a high value man will be receptive regardless of their past, even though it couldn't be further from the truth. They were taught that no one had a right to judge them on their past, and use that to determine their quality. It's the exact opposite. That's what every man should do.

Plenty of women are getting a rude awakening to these things, because they, like you, have been manipulated and lied to.

Thankfully we have TRP. I can't imagine women will ever start something similar. They're going to hamster it away until the day the sun swallows the earth.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For you anger phase guys, try not to be too vindictive.

Sorry, but no.

When women ease up on the vindictiveness TODAY, maybe I'll do it in the future when they're older.

[–]herewegoaga1n 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hahaha! So true, but I think the new norm is cougars going after younger male partners...because they're obviously naïve, inexperienced, and they give these men penis tingles. Basically "the last guy stuck riding the village bicycle owns it."

I swear, I see the mid twenty-something woman as a joke. Do you cook? No. Do you clean? No. Do you have any marketable skills to add to a relationship? No. So why do you think you deserve a guy? The conversations I have with them is like studying a mental patient since it's different on the other side.

I'm just happy I found my unicorn.

[–]Rasalom72 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Fuck...someone get me some of the juice those hamsters are on... I would make Brodin jelly with all the gainz.

Those must be some absolutely RIPPED hamsters!

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

" If I date a guy, I need to know if he is looking towards marriage."

Allow me to translate.

"If I date a guy, I need to make sure I lock him down before he realizes I'm a hardened carousel veteran and dumps be for a younger upgrade."

[–]jimmybda3 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's useful to remember that women never "mature"; they get old, but they are always mentally children. Thus, it makes no difference for a man to date a 21 year old or a 40 year old in terms of the intellectual satisfaction he is going to get out of the relationship. At best, a woman can be a muse, and this happens more often with a slender young babe for obvious reasons. If a man is seeking a mature companion he should find male friends to discuss reality with.

[–]the_Milkweed 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I play magic the gathering :'(

[–]MaximusNeo701 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As to I; and to each his own for hobby preferences.

[–]Bellum00 2 points2 points [recovered]

Own it brother! Fire whip poison deck and damage on discard deck are my favourites.

[–]evileddy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My younger sister is already engaged and she is 22, while I still haven't found a guy.

That level of entitlement.... "I'm female.. where's my provider?"

[–]justadavid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm amused by the "strong, independent woman" phrase. Anyone who's married (and not divorced) knows that there is a whole bunch of give-and-take in a real marriage.

Anyone who marries a "strong, independent" woman is in for a world of hurt while the woman is busy being strong and independent.

If this sounds too much like the home life, it's time to check out those offshore bank accounts. There's a number of excellent reasons to use them, and one is sheer survival if/when you get divorce raped.

But if caught diverting some of your wealth overseas, there's always the "I was saving up for a really awesome present for you, thanks for destroying the surprise, I'll go buy you a snake instead."

 If all this is blowing by you, that's okay, when I first started I had no clue. 

Get "The Total Money Makeover" by Dave Ramsey and do everything he tells you. You'll come out of it debt free, financially clean, and you'll understand the awesome power of investments.

Thanks, --D

[–]moose_war 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are going to be men on dating sites that want to date women younger than you. You do not want to date those guys. Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me, even if I fall inside the age range that he is seeking, because typically these men are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a youthful, naive ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a guy like that? Not me, man.

I can't stop laughing at everything here. This is the equivalent of a fat virgin male saying "2/10 would not bang" or a guy going "Well I didn't even want to fuck you anyway, bitch" after being rejected.

You're fucking 41 lady, you don't have to sit in a room crying over it but there's no need to get this delusional.

Also I'd bet money that this part about the men chasing youthful ideals is no longer creepy when/if a fit 28 year old guy hits on her, right?

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

my girl is 9 years younger than me, fuck what these cunts say

[–]magnue 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me

That's perfect then, because he definitely isn't interested in you.

[–]nantucketghost 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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[–]Praecipuus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Redefine "spinsterhood". I know a lot of "spinsters" who are happy as clams, so don't dismiss it. They do what they want, when they want. They have houses, families, jobs, vacations... a boyfriend every now and then.

Now isn't that the best advice ever. "I've been living like a young man and am now realising I'm reaching a point in which I won't be happy like this because I actually need to be in a committed relationship to be happy".

"I've got you. Why don't you go ahead and live like an older man from now onwards instead of being sad? Go girl."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The funny thing is, men wanting younger women are "blacklisted" for them, because that's disgustingly sexist and what not.

Women wanting older men though, completely reasonable and normal.

[–]infernalsatan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me, even if I fall inside the age range that he is seeking, because typically these men are absolutely shitty to date.

This is actually a good thing for us men, because they will automatically filter themselves out and we don't need to do anything (except for setting the age range).

It's like a pile of garbage saying "I don't want to get into your house". It's win-win.

[–]IndyBrodaSolo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yet most of these women who cry about men's age preferences wouldn't date younger men either. Talk about double standards.

[–]lycanthr0py 5 points5 points [recovered]

Its funny, all the neckbeards are all worse than the lifting bros who also play magic. I routinely win the weekly modern tournaments at the local game store, and when I don't, more often than not its the other in shape dudes and not the trash.

[–]spoona96 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i think the idea of a typical gamer is so wrong now, look at like a csgo event and most players are in better shape than the general public.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

These women are the female equivalent of nice guys.

[–]KCBrowsin 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I have dated older women but I was truly disappointed when I learned their age (30) otherwise attractive women, you cant help but ask why? Why is this woman single at this age...? Women should have no reasons to be single at 30, there are so many guys willing to give a half decent woman their time and love. Its just mind boggling, I prefer to date 20-23 range personally.

[–]HoundDogs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I need to know if he is looking towards marriage. If I don't, than I might waste my time. If I do, I might scare him away even if he was interested.

I always find it promising when I read that men can be spooked out of marriage so easily. Gives me hope for the future when the problem reaches critical mass and not a single man will be dumb enough to sign away his life to that contract.

[–]TheeMikeG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol hold on just a minute! having a hobby like MtG doesn't disqualify someone from being an alpha male. Sure it's not a physical hobby but interests are interests and that doesn't affect Game

[–]MisterMojoMan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

There are going to be men on dating sites that want to date women younger than you. You do not want to date those guys. Any guy who is selecting for an age range younger than his own is automatically disqualified for me, even if I fall inside the age range that he is seeking, because typically these men are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a youthful, naive ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a guy like that? Not me, man.

That's the equivalent of me saying:

"There are going to be women on dating sites that want to date guys who are older and are more established than them. You do not want to date those women. Any woman who is looking to trade up is automatically disqualified for me, even if I am what she's looking for, because typically these women are absolutely shitty to date. They are chasing a leisure lifestyle ideal, and they aren't willing to date an equal. Who wants to date a woman like that? Not me, man."

Even though it's advice that someone could reasonably entertain, the fact of the matter is you would be way worse off if you followed it. Most women are naturally wired to look for these attributes. This doesn't mean that they are bad people, however. It's just part of their nature. You can hate it all you want, but that's not going to change anything. Blue pill men and many women share the same problem; they refuse to accept the nature of the opposite sex and wonder why they are still single and/or unhappy.

There's a reason this woman is 41 and single.

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