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Rant/VentingCoding Academy in NYC makes tuition for women FREE to address gender gap (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary

Coding academy in New York City makes tuition free for women to address the gender gap in tech which they label a "problem", completely ignoring why said problem exists.

Body

Starting in January of 2016, Grace Hopper Academy (a subsidiary of Full Stack Academy) in New York City is offering free tuition for women in an effort to make tech education "more accessible" for them. The one caveat being they must pay back the tuition once they are employed but that isn't much of a drawback considering they guarantee employment upon completion of the program and a programmers starting salary is ~$80,000.

This implies tech education for women wasn't accessible in the first place. I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit considering I personally know plenty of women (as I'm sure most of you do) who took out a $120,000 loan to get a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory or an equivalent meaningless degree while Grace Hopper Academy's tuition is $15,680. Finances are not the reason women aren't working in or studying tech. I'll get back to that point in a moment.

This gender gap mission infuriates me for a number of reasons. Primarily I'm angered because I am currently studying to be a programmer (not at Grace Hopper) and am paying full tuition, with no discounts at all because I'm white and have a penis, making me ineligible for any scholarships.

The other reason this enrages me and I imagine will enrage you too is because this "mission" of theirs completely ignores why a gender gap in tech exists in the first place. There isn't any amount of initiatives an organization like Grace Hopper Academy can take to change the crux of this "issue". Men will always be a majority in the fields of math, science, technology, etc. because our brains are wired in a way that puts us in the position to excel in these positions. Science has proven this since the beginning of time. Shouldn't the head honchos running a coding academy be smart enough to understand that?

Nope. Let's throw money at the problem. Surely that will make it go away.

Lessons learned

This is just another example of how men are held to a higher standard while the bar is lowered for women solely because they are not capable of performing at the same level men do in areas they are not biologically meant to.

Of course pointing this out makes me sexist anywhere else on Reddit but luckily I know the people on TRP can relate.

I wonder if we'll see any Tumblr posts complaining about how unfair and sexist this gender gap mission is. Probably not.

Edit: I wish I caught this earlier but for even more rage, look at this quote from their website I just found: "As an inclusive program looking to break barriers in tech, we define "women" as anyone female identifying -- including transgender, genderqueer, and non-binary."


[–]bigeyedbunny 93 points94 points  (26 children)

Actually the guys who will attend this Academy are the ones paying for the females getting the Academic studies for free. But I think that this can count as gender discrimination: a gender must pay a price of $18,000 for what another gender gets for free

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 77 points78 points  (20 children)

It's the good kind of discrimination so it's fine. Remember, men are the ones that are privileged, shitlord!

[–]ShounenEgo 44 points45 points  (4 children)

Also, remember that it's sexism only when it's towards women.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 14 points14 points [recovered]

I overheard someone talking about her "women's studiess" class on campus. I was tempted to go up and ask: "why isn't there a men's studies class? A class for only one gender but not the other sounds like sexism"

...but then I remembered that she's a dyke feminist and that I'd be in more explosive emotions and a dogma rant. Pass.

[–]SnortCreatine 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Men's studies is known as a history degree

[–]1Kolbath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I overheard someone talking about her "women's studiess" class on campus. I was tempted to go up and ask: "why isn't there a men's studies class? A class for only one gender but not the other sounds like sexism"

...but then I remembered that she's a dyke feminist and that I'd be in more explosive emotions and a dogma rant. Pass.

Wisdom in its essence. Never wrestle with a pig. You get covered in shit and the pig has a grand time. Feminists are pigs. Feminists in colleges doubly so.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 19 points20 points  (14 children)

Were that the case. "Good" discrimination, like male-only shelters, are met with opposition. They literally shut them down in Canada because they were too "controversial". If I recall correctly, the guy spearheading the shelters ended up killing himself.

[–]evileddy 30 points31 points  (11 children)

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/earl-silverman-who-ran-mens-safe-house-dies-in-apparent-suicide

He long sought funding from provincial and federal governments to help run his hybrid shelter and home, but believed he was always refused because the space was dedicated to helping male victims and their children. He said he was unable to pay for heat and grocery bills.

Fuck that makes me mad. A great man trying to help other abused men kills himself out of sheer frustration at societies view that men are disposable.

How long until a group of radical men rise up and stamp out feminism forever?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Islam is doing a good job on that particular front.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah but I'd prefer an alternative to Sharia Law please.

[–]indigo_joe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well, the Catholic Church used to once upon a time exist but ....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No thanks. I have a cortex.

[–]Mysteriouspaul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hopefully soon on that last point. It will probably be betas and omega incels at the rate we're going, but it's better than nothing

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A male shelter implies that not only can a man be victimized, but there's a possibility that a woman is an aggressor. You're not allowed to question the narrative or commence discussion that can lead to unapproved conclusions.

[–]mugatucrazypills 3 points4 points  (0 children)

as a blue pill with undescended testicles, I dated a girl who actually cried when I told her should be a mens' studies department.

Then I told her family court was a racket designed to steal money from earners to moochers, she almost became suicidal.

Don't tell a child there's no Santa Claus

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Actually the guys who will attend this course are the ones paying for the females getting the course for free.

Well like I said, the academy guarantees employment so they take the tuition cost out of that on top of a ~2% placement fee over the first 12 months.

[–]zerofuxstillhungry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But I think that this can count as gender discrimination: a gender must pay a price of $18,000 for what another gender gets for free

This! This all fucking day long!

It is time to hit the liberals and the cultural marxists with a dose of their own toxic medicine. I really hope that there is at least one male from that school with the balls to litigate.

[–]floppymammarygland 296 points296 points [recovered]

The funny thing is this organization has most likely done the math and knows that women won't take up the offer. The free publicity they get from this is most likely cheaper than the cost of handing out free educations.

I would LOVE to see the attrition rate of women entering into this program. I would sincerely doubt that more than 20% make it past the first semester and 10% past the second.

This organization has to know this is the case. Otherwise I sincerely doubt they would gamble with something so costly.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (54 children)

It's not really a gamble for them though because the tuition is guaranteed to be paid back. Employment is guaranteed so the tuition cost is taken out of your paycheck on top of a ~2% placement fee over the first 12 months. If you don't take the job they find for you, you still owe them.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (49 children)

what if they drop out after the first year?

do they still have to pay? maybe its a trick and they're trying to seduce these victims into taking courseloads they can't handle and then cash in when they fail!

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (40 children)

It's a 21 week program but tuition is owed if they drop out or deny employment.

[–]1AmlanceJockey 47 points48 points  (35 children)

Sometimes it hard to sift thru reddit circle jerky, but can a coder seriously expect 80k after a 21 weeks course of study?

[–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (25 children)

not a fucking chance in hell

[–]coffeesomebody 19 points19 points [recovered]

Looks like a lot of people are ignorant of the high demand of web and app developers in the U.S.

I've known a lot of people who went through these "bootcamps" and got a decent paying job (~70-80k) after graduation. It's not easy though, these academies are really intense, in which you code for ~12 hours a day 6-7 days/weeks for ~3 months. The good academies are difficult to get in, and some people don't make it to the end. People who manage get into these acamedies tend to already have STEM degrees along with some sort of background in programming.

But yeah, a $70-80k salary doesn't get you far in places like SF and NY. It would probably be the equivalent to $50-60k in other cities, which honestly isn't bad either. But developers tend to move up in salary very quickly if they end up being good developers.

The demand for web developers is so high right now that you don't even need to go to these academies to get a job. Take it from someone who taught himself programming for a year and is now living a great life :)

[–]BigAl265 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Yeah, that's just what we need, more shitty programmers to further screw up the IT field. Sorry, I've been a full stack web developer for 13 years, on top of my bachelors in CS, and you can not learn programming in 21 weeks. You can learn just enough to be dangerous, then they release you into the wild with no fucking clue what you're really doing. This is going to be the .com bubble all over again. I graduated right in the middle of that shit storm, surrounded by thousands of other kids who were sold the same bullshit about how there were limitless opportunities in IT. Everyone and their dog jumped on the CS bandwagon and schools cranked out programmers like fry cooks. All it did was drive wages into the ground due to the severe glut of CS majors, and left the field littered with all manner of poorly written code and poorly architecture systems. After I graduated, It took me six months and over 100 resumes to even get an interview, and I had to start off making $10/hr for the first couple years of my career. Programmers got treated like absolute shit, worked to death, and tossed in the dumpster as soon as they could be replaced by a new kid fresh out of school. It took years for the job market to recover last time, and now we're going to do it all over again. Fucking brilliant. I don't mean any of this to disparage anyone here, but the fact is, it takes a certain kind of person to be a good programmer, and most people can't do it...at least not well. Same as it takes a certain type of person to be a great salesman, or marine, or surgeon, or physicist. For some reason though, when it comes to programming, schools and businesses seem to think its just a matter of funneling enough cattle down the chute. Now, to top it off, we just have to get more women in IT. Just wait until you get to work with some of these female "programmers", you're in for a treat.

[–]DocCyanide 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Coming from a 4 month program for the Air Force programming, yes. I was the most competent in my class and still have no idea what I'm doing, which is why I have to do a year of on the job training before I touch production code. Helps to see what my peers are doing as well instead of just a class.

[–]my_redpill_account 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I met a friend through work who is a programmer. The woman he works with is vindictive, annoyingly progressive and one of those annoying gluten nuts.

Any roadblock she encounters with another department or employee is obviously because she's a woman. So she makes things difficult.

There are a few guys in higher up positions who like to meet and talk in the mornings over their coffee. Apparently she didn't like the fact a woman wasn't involved and wanted in on it. It's not a secret club, just a few guys who are friends through work who want to shoot the shit, not a big deal right? Nope this woman feels the need to ruin it.

No this isn't all female programmers yadda yadda but I'm glad I don't work with her very closely. The list goes on but I don't have 6 hours to talk about it.

[–]minoc_uo 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Im doing this now while working full time. I require myself 2 hours a night mon-thur. I am learning ms sql. I currenty work in IT doing help desk and reporting. I do alot of Excel work, i program in VBA for excel

Would love any advise you have

[–]stoRYtelleRY 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can confirm this, I'm an instructor at a full stack coding bootcamp in Miami. Jobs and contracts for programmers are plentiful.

If you can fake it well enough you could even get a contract and learn as you go. One of our speakers who came in to speak to our class today began like that and she's already sold her second company.

[–]4delicioustreats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That might be 80k in bay area. Where rent is minimum $2500 a month... They can get by, but its not living large.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Maybe it's different in NY then but 80k is definitely not impossible or too far off from what they make here.

[–]ch0dey 8 points9 points  (0 children)

agreed. I make $130k in the middle of fucking nowhere, there's SOMEONE out there with a coding certificate in a big city making $80k.

[–]floppymammarygland 13 points13 points [recovered]

I concur. Perhaps someone coming out of a reputable 4-year school but I would assume it would be closer to 50K even if this were the case.

[–]mrpCamper 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I hire MIS degree students straight out of school and pay them about 50k as "IT Analysts".

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

and possibly starting at even less. but 50K is a totally decent salary if you are doing what you love. if you are just slogging through hating every minute of it, then 50K is peanuts

[–]NeverPull0ut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The answer is actually "absolutely", and the amount this comment is upvoted shows nothing but ignorance. I thought better of you guys.

It's not a 21 week casual program. It's 4 months of coding. You eat, sleep, and then code for 14 hours a day. If you're able to make it through the program and live in New York or San Francisco, 80k is on the lower end of what you could potentially be making.

[–]regal1989 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but that is 21 weeks of what I would consider intense monastic study combined with really good relationships between companies that are actively hunting for Jr. Developers. I'm learning on my own right now. If you have a computer, an internet connection, and loads of free time you can code your way into a bigger paycheck. It requires a lot of discipline, you need to be will to push through the hard problems and not give up. Once you are at a level of competency worth hiring though, that's when the marathon starts. The reason companies like Google and Netflix pay great and have awesome benefits is that the job is mentally strenuous. A lot of places aren't known for their strong work/life balance. Personally, I have sort of gone into monk mode at the moment, I don't think this is long term sustainable for me, but I think I can do it for a couple years until my finances are squared away, then I'll go from there.

[–]qwerty_asd 3 points4 points  (2 children)

They actually can. The labor market for web and app developers with the in-demand skill set is crazy. But women won't take this offer. I have offered to loan many girls who hate their jobs the 2-3k to take one of these courses because I know they will get that job if they ar serious and complete the course. No woman has accepted my offer yet.

[–]skolmonkey 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In San francisco 80k after a programming course is totally possible in the current market, i believe. 80K there also doesn't get you that far. Having said that when I was going to school not that long ago in a totally different discipline there were plenty of affirmative action programs in a similar vein. Won't comment on that, but one thing I did notice is many of the people that signed up for a free ride to a decent job later realized they don't actually like the job that much. Can't call it buyers regret, but they felt like they had wasted big part of their life on sideways advancement.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

the catch here is that they can find you a place you in any shitty job which barely pays anything, and then you're instantly on the hook for payback. then you're stuck wasting precious years working that shitty job (when you should be bettering yourself in other avenues) until you've paid off the debt, assuming it even pays enough to do that

this actually sounds like a very slimy marketing scheme which totally exploits the feminist agenda. well played.

take notes gentlemen

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They don't want you to get a shitty job though because they charge a 22% annual fee for the first 12 months. The better the job they find you, the more money they make on top of the tuition you repay them.

[–]bonekeeper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There - they get extra marketing points for seeming "women-friendly" while baiting women to join in, while incurring no real risks. Genius!

[–]WillWorkForLTC 9 points10 points  (7 children)

DING DING DING! Welcome to 'Murica! You've just won a free placement in the Venture Capital Corp. of your choice!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Exactly. Reminds me of my college....oh wait.....I didn't go to college because I'm not an idiot. Why go to college when I can go to YouTube/read a book and learn to program on my own? Oh yeah...that's what I did and also learned how to bash for Linux. And now I am a Computer Systems Engineer at a huge...but shitty....company. But hey...gotta put in my time until I find something better.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Yeah. There are two types. One who learns to program because they have to have the grade and the other who truly loves to program and sees it as a challenging and fulfilling hobby that drives him to learn all they can and do it in their free time.

Which are you? If you are the second person, you don't need advice. You just go for it and start reading and watching everything you can about it. If you are the first type, my advice would be to not seek a programming job because the shit is not fun and is very anti-social. You are just a cog in the wheel. Essentially, you are the little 5 year old on the Chinese soccer ball assembly line.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand the redpill is against anti-social behavior

No it's not. Red Pill is about doing what you want. I was just giving you my life experience. I don't give a shit what you do and I like programming but couldn't do it my whole life. Been doing it for around 5 years off and on and already hate the life. Nothing but fat betas trying to sound cool. My life consist of getting up, going to work, putting in headphones, and typing for hours, then going home. Sounds nice...but after the 2nd year...you want to eat a shotgun barrel. So, I actually took a less paying job with more time for social life.

[–]1Claude_Reborn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Despite the low risk, women still won't enrol.

Women generally don't find STEM interesting, and you can throw all the incentives you like out there, women won't take the bait because they are emotionally driven, not logically.

[–]beginner_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you don't take the job they find for you, you still owe them.

And if you drop out after first semester? Would actually be a good scheme to make money. Attracts a lot of not really interested women, that will fail quickly anyway and you get to collect some more tuition without any additional investment.

As a women in Tech you need to look yourself in 24/7 and cut all cords to not find a job yourself. An finding one that pays more than 80k is probably a piece of cake too. If a were a manager in a tech space I for sure would hire a sex women with tech degree to make the betas work harder to impress her.

As long as women don't need less points to pass a test...but that will probably be the next step. In fact test should have to be done on a PC (eg. keyboard, no handwriting) and blinded. Meaning the grader only get the anonymous test so no one gets special treatment.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 26 points27 points  (1 child)

They'll do well in the first year. Computer Science draws all kinds of thirsty beta/omega losers (not to say they're all like that). They'll happily "help" them with their coursework.

Of course, once they're in upper years and shit gets really complicated, all those supposed coder chicks find themselves up the creek without a paddle. You see this shit in a lot of male-dominated classes.

[–]psylord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was a Chem. Eng. major. In all my years of college, I have never seen a (large) college lecture hall so devoid of women as I did during Comp Sci 229, the sophomore/junior level advanced programming course for comp sci majors. There was one legitimately hot girl, and she kind of sat in the back and got out of there as fast as possible. The only other time I had ever been in such a male heavy class was AP Comp Sci in high school. I tend to think girls just don't declare CS as a major. It's probably just as much the fact that many of the males are spergs, as it is the fact that women can't code.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Exactly. It's all about the paper. Women will come and this college will get subsidies from daddy government, tax free. Then, all their "grads" will not go on to place in jobs and their placement percentage will tank just like ITT Tech and they will try and hide it until a Fed audit and then they will be shut down slowly.....just like ITT Tech.

[–]1MajorMid 61 points62 points  (13 children)

Damn. Wish my nursing school tuition was free. Why am I not being coddled to address the gender gap there?

[–]WillWorkForLTC 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Because you're given the unfair advantage of a STEM-gifted male brain. Shame on your brain!

[–]Rasalom72 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Bah.. having a male brain is a social construct... men's and women's brains are the same... because reasons feelz.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (4 children)

I hate to break it to you but you're gonna have to cut your dick off :(

[–]blue_27 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Why? Bruce Jenner didn't have to, and he got an award for "courage", and made the cover of Vanity Fair. I just wanted someone to pay my tuition. Can't I Crying Game it?

[–]sirjuicybooty 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not to mention got away with fucking murder.

[–]bonekeeper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can always become a transgender-identified-as-a-male-during-the-day-and-lesbian-at-night.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 3 points3 points [recovered]

Gender balance in a female field...you make a good point.

Seriously though, how awesome is nursing!? I'm going this route to. Human anatomy is kicking my ass, but it will all be worth it.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 44 points45 points  (10 children)

My opinion as a web-developer...

A lot of places do this type of thing(all girl classes, discounts and incentives) and it never matters because females hate hate hate STEM jobs ESPECIALLY software & web site development(and the talented intelligent women that are in those fields are usually social outcast...I know some very talented female developers though so I don't want to disrespect the hard work they do but they are undoubtedly outliers and they know that).

Seriously ...I work at a web dev agency and we were hiring a developer and I have it on good authority that HR was targeting women to "diversify the demo ...if you know what I mean" (verbatim quote from one of the hiring managers)

didn't matter one bit ...all the incentives in the world aren't really going to change anything.

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[–]Unexpected_Artist 11 points11 points [recovered]

Old, bitchy, salty, post wall man-haters no less. It's some serious bullshit. They try and do the feminist PC thing, but them discriminate against men with no realization of the disconnect.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW 21 points22 points  (2 children)

They are all logic. That does not appeal to women at all.

[–]Yung_Boi 8 points8 points [recovered]

All logic

Not really. ESPECIALLY for web developers. There is a huge creative input and a ton of sway on how to do things.

[–]JDiculous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a web developer, I totally disagree.

Design? Sure, there's a lot of creative input there. But anything else is 100% technical and practically 0 creativity. The product manager assigns me tickets, and my job is to complete them. Sure I can tell him "oh maybe this should be done that way", but at the end of the day my job is to complete the technical tasks assigned to me.

[–]25russianbear25 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I mean most of us agree with you, but its still not fair when a women gets into a male dominated field and shes treated like a god(special treatment) but when a guy goes into a female dominated field he doesn't get special treatment. This doesnt sound very equal to me.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 8 points9 points  (1 child)

when a guy goes into a female dominated field he doesn't get special treatment. This doesnt sound very equal to me

That isn't always the fact though.

Here in Germany, if you choose a career in nurturing/education, like kindergarten, children's home or elementary school, as a man, you will basically automatically have a free ticket for a very fast ride up the ladder.

It will also essentially be the working places which apply with you and not vice versa.

[–]25russianbear25 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Germany is very different from US. I think this guy did like an AMA as a kindergarten teacher and he told many stories on how hes labeled as a creep and a rapist.

It usually comes down to worth ethic and market value, having a dick doesnt magically make you better

[–]ForensicFungineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

didn't matter one bit ...all the incentives in the world aren't really going to change anything.

We did the same thing at a previous position for sysadmin and network admin jobs. Five grand bounty for a woman that made it six months. In two and a half years, it wasn't claimed a single time. I personally looked in a half dozen places, including reddit, and found one person that lasted about two weeks before leaving for lunch and never coming back. The worst part about that whole hire (besides me being out five smackers) was the fact that with her resume, if she was a guy she wouldn't even have been considered. We took the chance in the name of diversity and lost big time.

Tech is one of the last true meritocracies left in the world. It's not some HR / sales / marketing job that you can bullshit your way though for a career.

[–]svchator 114 points114 points [recovered]

Suddenly, I identify as female!

[–]JihadDerp 31 points32 points  (19 children)

First thing I thought when I read this. Just say you identify as a female. Free education. Boom.

[–]systemshock869 60 points60 points [recovered]

I really hope someone does this and makes big news. It would be even better if it was obviously a 'manly man,' who doesn't look the part at all, but who held impeccable frame and didn't let anyone call him out. Graduation speech: "The wage gap is fake, gender is biological, and I got a free ride off of your bullshit!"

[–]evileddy 42 points43 points  (8 children)

I just picture some tall build dude with normal clothes on except some bright hooker red lipstick over his mustache.

"I identify as female.. one education plz"

[–]systemshock869 17 points17 points [recovered]

Lol exactly. He would have to be the Greek God of the oppression olympics to pull this one off.

[–]Schrodingersdawg 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Has life become South Park, or has South Park been correct all along?

[–]evileddy 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Surely we can find someone in that area to do this and film it for science?

[–]Mysteriouspaul 8 points9 points  (2 children)

If I don't like my current studies in engineering I'll give it a go. What's the worse that can happen anyway? I pout throw a tantrum and go to mainstream media about it?

If only we started using feminist guerrilla feels tactics...

[–]2comment 16 points17 points  (3 children)

But since the genders are identical, there can be no "manly". It would be sexist to point anything of the such out. It's just different but the same.

A transgender lesbian bulldyke is just as much woman as, say, Hillary Clinton, if they identify as such. Yup.

[–]IndyBrodaSolo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A transgender lesbian bulldyke is just as much woman as, say, Hillary Clinton

To be fair, a transgender lesbian bulldyke is quite good way to describe Hillary.

[–]1AmlanceJockey 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Chuck and Larry Go to Coding School

[–]bigcitytruth[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's like a Bud Light commercial about "Ladies Night" from about 20 years back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrrFxXZ3rk

[–]Kalepsis 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Same here. Makes me want to Cartmann the shit out of it.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good idea mate, just tell them they can't discriminate based on your "gender"

[–]DrXaos 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Actually, a not entirely secret secret, is that in Silicon Valley many of the highest performing women in technical roles are MtF transgender/sexuals.

[–]TRPShill 38 points39 points  (6 children)

I cannot express how many female CS majors I saw use orbiters to pass their classes

[–]prodigyx 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I've probably gotten a dozen blowjobs from giving girls my work from previous classes. And this was back in my beta days. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of omega CS guys willing to give it away for free, but even comp sci girls are willing to get on their knees for answers from a 4.0 grad.

I learned my lesson though, and my company still hasn't hired a female developer. Tech support and assistants, sure. But developers, no way.

[–]FoxMcWeezer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Even the most genuinely sweetest, kindest, empathetic, Mother Teresa of a lady friend I have knows most guys in CS are at her beck and call. She tries not to take advantage but even she admits she knows the opportunity is always there in case she needs it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Men are becoming their worst enemy. God damnit, fucking betas ruin it for everybody.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Hey guess what? I decided this morning I am really female. Thanks free tuition school.

[–]full_package 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Years of watching porn have decisively woken up a lesbian in me.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy shit haha. Someone needs to try this. Worst case scenario they have a lawsuit on their hands for gender discrimination.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've started on a regimen with soymilk, tofu, and lots of whole grains and beer to start getting my hormones how I want them. I've started on Ritalin. Is that enough? I'm really trying here.

[–]VodkaTankerSpill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Boy you better gulp down those estrogen pills from your obongo care package.

[–]GrantNexus 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Although I'm definitely male, if I claim to gender identify as a woman I can also get free tuition. That'd put their panties in an overflow stack.

[–]bonekeeper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you mean, in a stack overflow.

[–]bloodfoxtrue 34 points34 points [recovered]

As a kid, I wouldn't have thought much about it but now I'm beginning to see that society is full of double standards for guys. I mean, no one is stopping girls from pursuing a STEM education; there are no weekly Patriarchy meetings plotting to keep young ladies from chasing their dreams of working in a technical area. Apparently it's not discrimination when it's convenient for SJWs. Sad that folks continue to mistake equal opportunity for equal outcomes.

[–]Drenmar 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Women don't feel "safe" and "welcome" in a meritocratic field like STEM. Turns out when only their performance counts and nobody coddles them because they're female, women leave and pursue something intangible like Gender Studies. They expect us to pussify STEM but it isn't happening.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 8 points9 points  (3 children)

They expect us to pussify STEM but it isn't happening.

Unfortunately: http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug

[–]badredditjame 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Sheesh. How many decades of extra help have non-white-males and females gotten? And they are still claiming they are disadvantaged? The truth hurts too much I guess.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Who ever claimed non-white-males are disadvantaged? At least in stem? As a non white male I feel offended. Typical white males are probably not even the majority in tech.

[–]sub180 7 points8 points  (0 children)

At Virginia Tech the dean/assistant dean whatever of Comp Engineering (a woman) sat us down and said 'we're doing an initiative to get more girls into the department (comp sci/comp eng/electrical eng)'.

Blah blah blah, here's a few plans. I raised my hand.

"Why? Why have this push for more women in the department? I'm not against women and I know some of them get better grades than I do, but the system right now is that if they want to join any major they do. They are doing whatever they want. What is the reason behind getting 100 students to campaign in our free time to get more girls?"

Yea... she didn't have a fucking answer. This is before reading one word of TRP.

It doesn't make any fucking sense to present a plan to STEM kids based on feelings. Where's the fucking data? What are the metrics for success? Why are the current metrics a failure?

[–]2comment 9 points10 points  (3 children)

It's all around and I noticed it starts in the family. I see it in too many families, including my own.

I have a bitch of a 5 year old niece (lets call her Lilith) and a sweet nephew (we'll call Sam, 3).

When she was one or two, if any of her two older half-brothers did anything to her the least bit, I wouldn't say threatening, but if she started to cry, you can bet her mother was there in an instant and looked at her sons suspiciously. And these were nice responsible kids that didn't try shit (one plays the piano and the other is taking college math course already at 15).

Anyway, this little bitch beast, Lilith, is a fucking nightmare. Has called everyone in the family an asshole including her grandparents when they don't do what she wants. In public. Throws shit around in tantrums. Steals from shops. And nearly the whole family is blue pill to her.

She knocks her little brother Sam down all the time, just wails on him, steals his toys, and in general is a bitch. The mother looks on unconcerned, might yell a bit but doesn't get up. But if Sam starts punching back (and he's learned), damn, does Mom stop the fight fast and the boy gets the most of it.

And you'll see that white knighting around a lot in families from both genders. And her mom is a "everyone is equal and same" commie that doesn't believe in hitting or restraining her kids even when they're going nuts.

About the only time it's reigned in is when they visit my house for family get togethers, because I told her what a shit parents she and my brother are. And even then the behavior of this little bitch drifts into uncontrollable into the evening until I throw them out.

I can say if one of her sons did this shit, the mom might not believe in hitting, but she'd work it out that one of the dads would hear of it and come around to give the kid a whack and a major scare.

[–]25russianbear25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lilith is formulated into oppressed feminist when she grows up.

[–]bloodfoxtrue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, thanks for sharing. I hope 'Lilith' matures properly; decades ago, my aunt spoilt her kid, ignoring familial warnings not to do so. Today, let's just say she regrets her actions now, to say the least. Favoritism or failure to discipline is a terrible recipe for a kid's upbringing.

[–]JMS230 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so true. Families favour the female children far more than the male children. I saw this when I was younger many times. An example that happened with me was when I was about 8 or 9 my 4-5 year old (female) cousin was at my house and I was playing on the computer. She came over while I was playing and asked if she could use it. I told her when I was done she could use it. Well, she did not like this one bit. She ended up punching me in the balls and started screaming and crying. I went to tell my parents what happened and... guess who got in shit? Me. Guess who got to use the conputer? Her. I sad she hit me in the balls and they just calmy told her not to do that and then told me to suck it up.

[–]putin_vor 11 points12 points  (16 children)

Doesn't matter, gentlemen. Programming is for a very specific type of person, and to get paid well you need to do a lot programming on your own. I would say, you must like it (or be extremely desperate, like the offshore teams in the poor countries who do it for the money) just to stay in the game.

No free education in the world will make people, men or women, want to do programming. If anything, it's a lot easier to give up, you're not invested.

I've seen it will my own eyes. First year classes are full of guys and girls. By the 4th year (BS in CS) most classes had 4-10 people, and there was one girl in one class, and one in another. Both girls were definitely interested in programming, and messed with the code. One of them was actually brilliant. Even at the undergrad level she did distributed modeling of cancer cell growth, quite impressive shit.

Arts classes that I had to take were the opposite, always full and full of girls.

Out of the ones who graduated in CS and I kept in contact with, only a few still work in the field. Most of the ones who work in the field have no ambition and got stuck in an average paying programming job, one of them on campus. I'm now making $100-150/hr doing silly web dev, and from the stories, there's no real upper limit.

$80K is absolutely not a high paying job in programming. It's something anyone with BS is CS can make right after graduating, assuming you did some extra projects during your education, or actually worked at the same time.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (14 children)

Statistically, 80k out of college is far above average, its definitely possible but you have to be 2 std. dev. above the curve so you best be good enough to merit that. You would probably also have to be in a location where the cost of living is high enough that the 80k salary isn't really all that much more money after expenses. Google/Facebook/Twitter jobs are the exception, not the rule. Programming is still one of the best fields to get into though because skilled, experienced programmers make fuck tons of money. Great money-per-years-experience ratio

http://www1.salary.com/Programmer-I-Salaries.html

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary/9fadb9f1/Entry-Level

[–]putin_vor 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Yeah, I should have specified, NY/NJ is what I was talking about (the article talks about NYC). It's still like 80%+ percentile, but as long as you do your extra projects or actually work, you will be there.

http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Programmer-I-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx

And it's true, $80K in NY/NJ/CA is not that much.

And I never worked for Google/FB/Twitter, they don't pay that well on average, and the competition to work for them is crazy.

[–]FoxMcWeezer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are right about 80k being shit for a talented dev. Factor in that fact that 80k is basically minimum wage in NYC and you may as well have gone to Hamburger University

[–]DrScientist812 9 points10 points  (3 children)

How much does it cost for guys again?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I realized I left that out of the original post so I edited it in - $15,680

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 7 points8 points  (0 children)

15k worth of privilege right there

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude, if I was already a student enrolled there, I would feel pretty fucking cheated paying that, knowing others didn't have to pay a cent just because of the sexual organs they were born with.

If I were considering going there, it would be pretty fucking off the table at this point.

[–]BlueChilli 7 points8 points  (20 children)

I decided to switch careers into computer programming. I was looking at Code Academy until I read their mission statement. Anyplace that puts such a massive strong emphasis on this dribble obviously doesn't seem like it's worth the money.

Instead, I'm taking that money and going to go school in the Philippines for a fraction of the cost.

[–]TheSandbergPrinciple 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Just learn coding by yourself, there are people who work at Google who only graduated high school but took the initiative to learn on their own.

[–]BlueChilli 2 points3 points  (1 child)

True. And there are many who do. I am teaching myself coding every day now while working and should even get to the point where I will have some small projects done before classes even start in six months.

However, I firmly believe that getting a handle on the math and theoretical concepts will undoubtedly make me a better programmer in the end.

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[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In ten years, they will. For now, if you have a strong portfolio of projects and some work history, you're competitive. Skill is still not totally nailed down by the credentials industry (like FINRA has done for finance jobs) so there's actually a low barrier to entry.

[–]TheSandbergPrinciple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think most employers care more about what you can do rather than what school you went to. If you have a great portfolio, you have a chance.

[–]PlanetoftheGrapes94 5 points6 points  (1 child)

YouTube- Derek banas. This guy was a godsend, helped with app delevopment, websites, and more complex concepts like the use of abstract methods and polymorphism. Tech interviewers love that shit. Has hundreds of videos I highly recommend him

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Instead, I'm taking that money and going to go school in the Philippines for a fraction of the cost.

Is the Philippines known for their coding schools? lol

[–]BlueChilli 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Just because it's not the USA doesn't mean it isn't a quality education. Particularly when you consider it's a field about what you can do and show. If you know your stuff, you don't need a degree at all.

Is it a risk? Sure. Everything is risk, but at least it is a risk that won't leave me in crippling debt.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Drop me a line when you graduate, if you can speak and write English, with a degree, and can code, I will hire in my Philippines (Manila) operations center, after 18 months you are eligible to globally transfer anywhere within the 120 countries we have offices.

Good Luck!

[–]BlueChilli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Awesome and thanks a ton. I absolutely will.

[–]ALpha_chino18 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm currently studying Comp Science in MNL (I don't rely much on school curriculum. I do a lot of self study.) to be great at programming. I'm glad to hear you have an office in Manila.Is it okay if I take my chances with your organization once I graduate? Thanks

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It sure is. Some of the biggest tech companies on the planet have data centers and operations there, including outsourced development operations.

[–]2comment 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Easy. Gender is a social construct.

Go in as a transgender woman. Enjoy free tuition. If they block you, threaten a tumblr shitstorm and gender discrimination lawsuit.

[–]prodigyx 4 points5 points  (1 child)

One of my female FB friends and fellow top 10 tech school graduate recently posted about this. She was complaining about how derogatory it was towards women in the tech industry.

She worked hard and is objectively competent in her field, and she took this as an insult because it implies that women are not capable of landing a tech job based on their performance and merit.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is what feminists have fought for. People like us and your friend are the ones who suffer while those who created this don't even want it. They just want the option to be exist.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Men will always be a majority in the fields of math, science, technology, etc. because our brains are wired in a way that puts us in the position to excel in these positions.

I don't think that's he reason. The main reason is, as always, incentives.

A woman can get rich by working hard, but marrying rich is much simpler, less risky and, most importantly, faster.

A man has virtually 0 chances of becoming rich by marrying, so our only chance is to work for it, and work hard. That makes us prefer directions in life that are more conductive to a bigger monetary payoff.

Add to this the additional factor that men are simply more motivated to be rich - that's the surest way of getting sex, whereas women don't even need to try.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Sure, that's an additional reason but you can find a countless amount of studies that show men excel in different tasks then women due to how our brains are wired.

[–]smallpoly 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Meanwhile CodeAcademy.com is free for everyone.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Most of my assignments in my intro to programming course at my college utilize CodeCademy. It's a free college education apparently.

[–]magus678 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Not knowing a lot about coding, isn't it kind of a "thing" about how meritocratus coding is? Like so much it is a sore spot for some women's groups?

Doesn't just dumping more women into coding exacerbate this problem and make it more obvious?

Seems like there might be some benefit to that level of exposure, at least.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The results don't even matter. It's all about achieving social justice and feeling good.

[–]Adolf_ghandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least the problem will persist so they will look like retards even though they may feel good about that trash.

[–]alpha_n3rd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

meritocracy in software development is a joke; normal social power dynamics fully apply

[–]1BoogersAreTasty 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Ah yes, the lure of "free stuff".

This brings back a lesson I learned from my father-in-law back in the late 80's.

We would go down to their lake house and ride ATV's on all the trails. It was especially fun when the creek had flooded and the main riding area was covered in knee deep mud.

We'd ride thru that mud and have a grand old time.

The first year or two that we went down the lake house, we'd do the mud riding on my father in laws ATV's as he was the only one that owned ATV's.

I remember he'd complain about how dirty they got and we could never clean them off enough to satisfy him. But he would always let us go back and ride some more (reluctantly).

Eventually, my wife and I purchased our own ATV's. I'll never forget the first time we took our brand new shiny ATV's down there. The creek had flooded the week before and the main riding area was covered in knee deep mud.

I couldn't wait to get out there and have some fun!

I drove my brand new shiny ATV that I had paid a few thousand of my hard earned dollars for out to the mud trails.

As I arrived at muddy area, I looked at the mud, I looked at the other ATV riders and how dirty and dinged up their ATV's were.....and then I paused.... I paused long enough to realize that I didn't want to damage or dirty my new ATV. Heck, I had paid a lot of money for it (and the money I spent on it "back in the day" was a LOT to me then). I turned the ATV around and drove back to the house.

My father-in-law asked what I was doing back so soon. I told him.

I then apologized to him for not showing him and his equipment more respect.

He smiled and said, "I guess you've learned a good lesson. We never respect that which is given to us as much as we respect that which we earned!"

Those profound words have stuck with ever since. That is a lesson I've tried to teach to my children for years. Now that kids are older and in college, I've had a couple of them acknowledge that lesson back to me and even apologize to me for not treating my stuff better!

My father in law is gone now....I miss that man!

tl;dr You never respect that which is given to you as much as you will respect that which earn

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women get everything in their lives for free, they will never respect or appreciate ANYTHING.

[–]TheDreadPill 1 point2 points  (3 children)

One of the unspoken truths on why there is a gender gap in STEM is that women don't want to enroll in a major to be surrounded by a majority of beta males all day.

[–]JihadDerp 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Yeah because there are so many alpha males majoring in women's studies.

[–]TheDreadPill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Echo chambers are comforting. STEM does not offer that.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

women's studies is really the fall back position of last resort since they've already struck out on 1) any useful degree, 2) getting a man and not having to worry about a degree, 3) useless degrees that are at least not made up bullshit (art history, history, etc.). Maybe a 4) "I'm a limp dicked psychologically damaged super emasculated beta male" who also struck out on one and three. The enrollment numbers is probably because they're desperate to get bodies in the door, and the bodies coming in have no other options.

Thats my theory anyway

[–]RPRedhead 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am amazed at the amount of attention focused on getting wymn into STEM jobs/careers. It really is too much sometimes. But, it's motivated by a desire to shift power to wymn from men. This is another area where it becomes clear that feminism is NOT about equality. Where is the bitching about the severe lack of male elementary education college students / teachers? Why can't a man get free tuition for that? Becacuse radfems say "IDGAF".

  But how to respond to this in a way that society at large will hear? Is equality actually something society cares about any more? Is there a 4chan style social engineering hack? Equality = Evil? The reality is that it's easier to just ignore it because it will probably just go away eventually...right?

[–]Bottled_Void 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The whole industry is blowing millions on trying to get women interested in programming. This course is just a tiny fraction of that. Most often it's met with the response, "Well if you're offering all this for free, it must be because it's run by misogynistic men. Why would I want to spend my entire day around a bunch of misogynistic men."

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

a programmers starting salary is ~$80,000

It is not. This factoid keeps spreading across the internet. AVERAGE computer programmer pay is $80k. That is not average starting wage. Average starting wage is 50-55k. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary/9fadb9f1/Entry-Level.

http://www1.salary.com/Programmer-I-Salaries.html.

Computer programmer have a great trend line for salary advancement, you can very quickly get to 80k and beyond. But you don't start there.

[–]antoseb 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Also, remember that many women will at some point in their careers take a maternity leave. This can last multiple years sometimes. With the speed at which the tech industry is progressing, a short absence like this can be a big disadvantage. That's another reason why women that want children are not a good fit for this field.

Clearly the university knows this and they just want to be PC with the ignorant public.

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[–]newls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here in the UK the majority of university students are girls, a percentage that has been rising for the last decade at least. But on the latest A-level results day, politicians and journalists were still falling all over themselves to whinge about how there were still 'problems' for girls in STEM programs. They're addicted to inventing 'injustices' out of nowhere for themselves to 'fight for'.

[–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I've never understood anything related to gender gaps or trying to fix them.

Let's say 70% of programmers are men and 30% women.

What's wrong with that? Why would we possibly need to make that an even 50-50?

That gender gap exists because of the choices women make in their life. So are we going to try and force women to pursue a field they don't want to pursue so that we achieve gender equilibrium for some arbitrary reason?

[–]Tqbfjotlds 2 points2 points [recovered]

What's wrong with that?

Women do not get access to the money that they want. That is the simple problem they see. They want to have the same money and resources as men, of cource, without similar effort.

[–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They have access to the money though, they just choose not to pursue it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit considering I personally know plenty of women (as I'm sure most of you do) who took out a $120,000 loan to get a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory or an equivalent meaningless degree while Grace Hopper Academy's tuition is $15,680.

Spit out my fucking drink reading this.

Just imagine if they would to do this the other way around: free tuition for men who want to take a psychology education (mostly popular among females). Oh wait that would be gender discrimination.

[–]ChadThundercockII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

we define "women" as anyone female identifying -- including transgender, genderqueer, and non-binary."

I identify as a woman. Give me free tuition. Can you guys send me 50 $ to buy a wig and some make up ?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why companies want to fill race or gender quotas. Shouldn't they just want the work done in a timely and efficient manor? I could give a fuck less if the one doing the work is a woman, black, gay, straight, Christian, whatever the fuck. Just do your goddamn job and go home.

Why incentivize women to do something that they generally historically have no interest in doing? Women don't enter these sorts of fields for a reason.

[–]unsafeword 7 points7 points [recovered]

Tuition is a social construct.

[–]Red_Pill_Raskol 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Where's my nursing school subsidy?

[–]NeoSamwell 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm 17 years old and looking to major in computer science. unfortunately I have no idea how I'm going to pay tuition, (hoping for financial aid to help considerably.) but seriously, I know no one in my general area whos even remotely interested in computer science. To say there's a men/women gap in the people going into tech comes off as ignorant to me because there's not enough people going into tech in the first place.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, that's easy. Identify as genderqueer and go for free.

[–]friendlysociopathic 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Who cares? They have to pay it back in the end and you'll outcompete them in practice.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

As a man, I care. Initiatives like this put men at a disadvantage.

[–]friendlysociopathic 9 points10 points  (2 children)

No, it puts weaker and stupider men at a disadvantage. When you go into the workplace as a coder, you will be competing with a larger proportion of women - which makes excelling and getting promoted vastly easier than it would be in an all-male workplace. Furthermore, when you get those promotions, you will discover why powerful men encourage this stuff - because it provides an incredibly biddable force of worker drones who do exactly as they're told and won't negotiate for higher salaries.

All of this stuff is only a problem if you see yourself as being in the bottom 80%.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good point. I wasn't looking at it that way.

I'm still concerned though that this type of thinking will spill over into other facets of my life and put me at a disadvantage because some SJW is trying to tip the scales of a justice.

[–]friendlysociopathic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's a reason powerful and extremely intelligent men encourage this stuff. As I said in the (edited) last comment, all of these modern trends are only a problem if you're in the bottom 80% of men.

You'll be fine as long as you're machiavellian enough to pander to them. Most men do not understand what's going on, and understanding this gives you an extremely valuable competitive advantage as a result of your ability to see through the bullshit. When you understand exactly what women in the workplace want, you can charm the hell out of them and have them on your side instantly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If women are so independent then they can pay for tuition..

[–]TheOldSlapAndTickle 1 point2 points  (6 children)

That's nothing. You're not going to believe this, brace yourself, but I recently discovered that in bars/clubs across America, women get discounts on their drinks and cover charges while men pay full price on what they call "Ladies' night"! In some cases, the drinks/cover are even free! And they don't even have to pay it back, ever!

Seriously though, this is really no different than scholarships/financial aid being available to women/minorities at any regular college/university. Is it unfair? Absolutely. But this is the reality we live in, and it's unlikely to change. The sooner you accept that and learn to deal with it, the better off you'll be.

[–]Rougepellet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People's current definition of gender equality is eradicating any differences, biological or otherwise, between the genders. We might as well be asexual namekians then.

[–]blue_27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait. ... So I can pull a Bruce Jenner, and they'll pay my tuition for me? Shit, I'm feeling all sorts of lady-like this semester.

[–]orographic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The graduates from today's coding boot camps, even from the good ones, already have hard time finding jobs, but with a little perseverance can do it because the market is hot. This will not be the case for very long. The government has started a pilot program to start giving out student loans to attend these bootcamps. In case you werent aware, when the government started giving out loans for schools like ITT Tech and Phoenix University, the unaccredited for-profit school industry exploded. Of course degrees from those schools are worthless. Expect to see the same with coding bootcamps as school schools start to pop up everywhere to cash in on naive student's government "financial aid".

Combine that with the current tech bubble. Yes there is a bubble but it's not as big as the 2000 bubble. If you have wondered why investors are throwing millions at some Silicon Valley hipsters to create some web crapp that obviously is never going to turn a profit, it's because we are in a bubble. When the bubble crashes crappy web devs are going to be the ones hurt the most since that's what the bubble is centred on. People who only know how to throw a bunch of Node.js packages together are going to be in a bad spot. The fat greasy neckbeard who knows computer systems as well as his dick knows his left hand is going to do just fine. Software isnt going anywhere.

Now on to women. Programming is as far from women's interests as you can get. You stare at lines of text at a computer trying to tediously trying to figure out why this procedure isnt working the way it should. Women's brains arent wired this way. I've done the traditional engineering stuff, and the software development stuff. I can tell you traditional engineering is already not something women are into, but programming is a lot further out than anything. There are a few talented women in programming and that's great. I'll judge them on their ability like I judge everybody else, but trying to push more women into programming is doing nobody favors. You can hype tech up telling them they are gonna be making cool apps like Snapchat and Twitter but once they find out what software development really is like they drop like flies. This is why getting women into programming efforts fail even with the big players like Twitter, Amazon, Google, and Facebook throwing support behind them. The few women that dont drop, whether through real interest and hard work, or just floating on betas doing their work by will be thrown job offers for diversity and affirmative action purposes. Except diversity hires dont actually help women since everybody else immediately suspects they were hired only because of their vagina and harbor resentment and question their competence. I'm not sure where Im going with this last paragraph it's turned into a rant. If I had to summarize I would say that despite efforts to make tech cool and sexy to attract women, to get work done you have to sit at a computer and code, and that is as far as you can get from women's typical interests.

[–]mr_one_liner 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Let's see some MtF trans try to get the free tuition. That would be interesting.

[–]Ounumen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sign me up! I keep telling people the day they open women's rest rooms in Govt buildings that's were I'll be dropping my #2. Women's bathrooms are clean! No dicks drawn on the walls either

[–]dherik 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Their bathrooms are fucking gross, you don't want to be in there.

[–]lrph00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now this? Damn, they get into clubs/bars for free or at a fraction of the cost, get free drinks. Such crap.

[–]johnhasquestions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is more of a business decision for the academy and a mistake from the industry as a whole. Since there is tons of backlash from the public over the gender gap in tech, female programmers become more valuable. By making tuition free they intice women to go to their institution and can cash in from their placement fees as I see them getting larger salaries than their male counterparts. I wouldn't place the blame to this institution as they are only attempting to cash in on the future and making a good business decision. Place the blame at people complaining there aren't women programmers at tech companies.

[–]bobby8u 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The retention rate of my freshman group to grad in CS was under 20%. Its not for everyone and i dont that changing.

[–]Rasalom72 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't someone get a lawyer and solve this problem?

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