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Rant/VentingCoding Academy in NYC makes tuition for women FREE to address gender gap (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary

Coding academy in New York City makes tuition free for women to address the gender gap in tech which they label a "problem", completely ignoring why said problem exists.

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Starting in January of 2016, Grace Hopper Academy (a subsidiary of Full Stack Academy) in New York City is offering free tuition for women in an effort to make tech education "more accessible" for them. The one caveat being they must pay back the tuition once they are employed but that isn't much of a drawback considering they guarantee employment upon completion of the program and a programmers starting salary is ~$80,000.

This implies tech education for women wasn't accessible in the first place. I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit considering I personally know plenty of women (as I'm sure most of you do) who took out a $120,000 loan to get a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory or an equivalent meaningless degree while Grace Hopper Academy's tuition is $15,680. Finances are not the reason women aren't working in or studying tech. I'll get back to that point in a moment.

This gender gap mission infuriates me for a number of reasons. Primarily I'm angered because I am currently studying to be a programmer (not at Grace Hopper) and am paying full tuition, with no discounts at all because I'm white and have a penis, making me ineligible for any scholarships.

The other reason this enrages me and I imagine will enrage you too is because this "mission" of theirs completely ignores why a gender gap in tech exists in the first place. There isn't any amount of initiatives an organization like Grace Hopper Academy can take to change the crux of this "issue". Men will always be a majority in the fields of math, science, technology, etc. because our brains are wired in a way that puts us in the position to excel in these positions. Science has proven this since the beginning of time. Shouldn't the head honchos running a coding academy be smart enough to understand that?

Nope. Let's throw money at the problem. Surely that will make it go away.

Lessons learned

This is just another example of how men are held to a higher standard while the bar is lowered for women solely because they are not capable of performing at the same level men do in areas they are not biologically meant to.

Of course pointing this out makes me sexist anywhere else on Reddit but luckily I know the people on TRP can relate.

I wonder if we'll see any Tumblr posts complaining about how unfair and sexist this gender gap mission is. Probably not.

Edit: I wish I caught this earlier but for even more rage, look at this quote from their website I just found: "As an inclusive program looking to break barriers in tech, we define "women" as anyone female identifying -- including transgender, genderqueer, and non-binary."


[–]bigeyedbunny[🍰] 89 points90 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Actually the guys who will attend this Academy are the ones paying for the females getting the Academic studies for free. But I think that this can count as gender discrimination: a gender must pay a price of $18,000 for what another gender gets for free

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself80 points81 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

It's the good kind of discrimination so it's fine. Remember, men are the ones that are privileged, shitlord!

[–]ShounenEgo41 points42 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Also, remember that it's sexism only when it's towards women.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 14 points14 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I overheard someone talking about her "women's studiess" class on campus. I was tempted to go up and ask: "why isn't there a men's studies class? A class for only one gender but not the other sounds like sexism"

...but then I remembered that she's a dyke feminist and that I'd be in more explosive emotions and a dogma rant. Pass.

[–]SnortCreatine50 points51 points [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

Men's studies is known as a history degree

[–]1Kolbath1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I overheard someone talking about her "women's studiess" class on campus. I was tempted to go up and ask: "why isn't there a men's studies class? A class for only one gender but not the other sounds like sexism"

...but then I remembered that she's a dyke feminist and that I'd be in more explosive emotions and a dogma rant. Pass.

Wisdom in its essence. Never wrestle with a pig. You get covered in shit and the pig has a grand time. Feminists are pigs. Feminists in colleges doubly so.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea21 points22 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Were that the case. "Good" discrimination, like male-only shelters, are met with opposition. They literally shut them down in Canada because they were too "controversial". If I recall correctly, the guy spearheading the shelters ended up killing himself.

[–]evileddy31 points32 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/earl-silverman-who-ran-mens-safe-house-dies-in-apparent-suicide

He long sought funding from provincial and federal governments to help run his hybrid shelter and home, but believed he was always refused because the space was dedicated to helping male victims and their children. He said he was unable to pay for heat and grocery bills.

Fuck that makes me mad. A great man trying to help other abused men kills himself out of sheer frustration at societies view that men are disposable.

How long until a group of radical men rise up and stamp out feminism forever?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Islam is doing a good job on that particular front.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but I'd prefer an alternative to Sharia Law please.

[–]indigo_joe3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, the Catholic Church used to once upon a time exist but ....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No thanks. I have a cortex.

[–]Mysteriouspaul1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully soon on that last point. It will probably be betas and omega incels at the rate we're going, but it's better than nothing

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The main reason people don't get away with murder is that they generally kill people they know and have motive to kill. Random midnight killings of strangers are much easier to get away with.

If every red piller takes out one random woman per year, maybe the six figure death toll would make headlines.

[–]1OneRedYear4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

what the fuck? Get the fuck outta here with at bullshit.

[–]xfLyFPS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can imagine SRS taking screencaps of your post as we speak, "look everyone, the evil redpillers hate women so much that they want to kill them!"

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I drop at least one quotable quote a week. Maybe 0.1% of The Red Pill subscribers go out and actually kill someone. That's over a hundred dead women. There'll be an FBI manhunt for the cult leader Archwinger who ordered the deaths of innocent women.

Thank God less than 0.1% of TRP is actually insane, despite what our detractors would proclaim.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok buddy. Take your pills, or your dark sense of humour and go back to /r9k/.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A male shelter implies that not only can a man be victimized, but there's a possibility that a woman is an aggressor. You're not allowed to question the narrative or commence discussion that can lead to unapproved conclusions.

[–]mugatucrazypills3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

as a blue pill with undescended testicles, I dated a girl who actually cried when I told her should be a mens' studies department.

Then I told her family court was a racket designed to steal money from earners to moochers, she almost became suicidal.

Don't tell a child there's no Santa Claus

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually the guys who will attend this course are the ones paying for the females getting the course for free.

Well like I said, the academy guarantees employment so they take the tuition cost out of that on top of a ~2% placement fee over the first 12 months.

[–]zerofuxstillhungry2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But I think that this can count as gender discrimination: a gender must pay a price of $18,000 for what another gender gets for free

This! This all fucking day long!

It is time to hit the liberals and the cultural marxists with a dose of their own toxic medicine. I really hope that there is at least one male from that school with the balls to litigate.

[–]4delicioustreats0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

women have been doing it forever with hair cuts. Not saying this schooling thing is fair, but it does happen in other ways too.

[–]fuck_da_haes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just say you self-identify as a female and uses he/him pronouns ... see them squirming :)

[–]floppymammarygland 296 points296 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The funny thing is this organization has most likely done the math and knows that women won't take up the offer. The free publicity they get from this is most likely cheaper than the cost of handing out free educations.

I would LOVE to see the attrition rate of women entering into this program. I would sincerely doubt that more than 20% make it past the first semester and 10% past the second.

This organization has to know this is the case. Otherwise I sincerely doubt they would gamble with something so costly.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points [recovered] (54 children) | Copy Link

It's not really a gamble for them though because the tuition is guaranteed to be paid back. Employment is guaranteed so the tuition cost is taken out of your paycheck on top of a ~2% placement fee over the first 12 months. If you don't take the job they find for you, you still owe them.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

what if they drop out after the first year?

do they still have to pay? maybe its a trick and they're trying to seduce these victims into taking courseloads they can't handle and then cash in when they fail!

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

It's a 21 week program but tuition is owed if they drop out or deny employment.

[–]1AmlanceJockey49 points50 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes it hard to sift thru reddit circle jerky, but can a coder seriously expect 80k after a 21 weeks course of study?

[–][deleted] 89 points90 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

not a fucking chance in hell

[–]coffeesomebody 19 points19 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Looks like a lot of people are ignorant of the high demand of web and app developers in the U.S.

I've known a lot of people who went through these "bootcamps" and got a decent paying job (~70-80k) after graduation. It's not easy though, these academies are really intense, in which you code for ~12 hours a day 6-7 days/weeks for ~3 months. The good academies are difficult to get in, and some people don't make it to the end. People who manage get into these acamedies tend to already have STEM degrees along with some sort of background in programming.

But yeah, a $70-80k salary doesn't get you far in places like SF and NY. It would probably be the equivalent to $50-60k in other cities, which honestly isn't bad either. But developers tend to move up in salary very quickly if they end up being good developers.

The demand for web developers is so high right now that you don't even need to go to these academies to get a job. Take it from someone who taught himself programming for a year and is now living a great life :)

[–]BigAl26517 points18 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's just what we need, more shitty programmers to further screw up the IT field. Sorry, I've been a full stack web developer for 13 years, on top of my bachelors in CS, and you can not learn programming in 21 weeks. You can learn just enough to be dangerous, then they release you into the wild with no fucking clue what you're really doing. This is going to be the .com bubble all over again. I graduated right in the middle of that shit storm, surrounded by thousands of other kids who were sold the same bullshit about how there were limitless opportunities in IT. Everyone and their dog jumped on the CS bandwagon and schools cranked out programmers like fry cooks. All it did was drive wages into the ground due to the severe glut of CS majors, and left the field littered with all manner of poorly written code and poorly architecture systems. After I graduated, It took me six months and over 100 resumes to even get an interview, and I had to start off making $10/hr for the first couple years of my career. Programmers got treated like absolute shit, worked to death, and tossed in the dumpster as soon as they could be replaced by a new kid fresh out of school. It took years for the job market to recover last time, and now we're going to do it all over again. Fucking brilliant. I don't mean any of this to disparage anyone here, but the fact is, it takes a certain kind of person to be a good programmer, and most people can't do it...at least not well. Same as it takes a certain type of person to be a great salesman, or marine, or surgeon, or physicist. For some reason though, when it comes to programming, schools and businesses seem to think its just a matter of funneling enough cattle down the chute. Now, to top it off, we just have to get more women in IT. Just wait until you get to work with some of these female "programmers", you're in for a treat.

[–]DocCyanide2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Coming from a 4 month program for the Air Force programming, yes. I was the most competent in my class and still have no idea what I'm doing, which is why I have to do a year of on the job training before I touch production code. Helps to see what my peers are doing as well instead of just a class.

[–]my_redpill_account2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I met a friend through work who is a programmer. The woman he works with is vindictive, annoyingly progressive and one of those annoying gluten nuts.

Any roadblock she encounters with another department or employee is obviously because she's a woman. So she makes things difficult.

There are a few guys in higher up positions who like to meet and talk in the mornings over their coffee. Apparently she didn't like the fact a woman wasn't involved and wanted in on it. It's not a secret club, just a few guys who are friends through work who want to shoot the shit, not a big deal right? Nope this woman feels the need to ruin it.

No this isn't all female programmers yadda yadda but I'm glad I don't work with her very closely. The list goes on but I don't have 6 hours to talk about it.

[–]justadavid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

...but the fact is, it takes a certain kind of person to be a good programmer, and most people can't do it...at least not well. Same as it takes a certain type of person to be a great salesman, or marine, or surgeon, or physicist.

You're correct.

Myers-Briggs call this type "NT" personality -- about 10% of people out there have this. They can do deep internal thinking, build up tables in their minds, and so forth. They also make good architects for the same reasons.

I'm -not- in this group (I'm an NF) but I felt I had to check out this conclusion. Over time I annoyed my friends running them through this profile. I found: 50 NT programmers [10% of the population] 3 NF programmers including me [10% of the population] zero SJ's and SP's. [each 40% of the population]

I've never found a programmer from 80% of the population. That's the creepiest thing I know in computers.

I did a bunch of articles on this and got drowned in mail from people saying, "I always thought I was different but now I know why!".

Text: Please Understand Me, by David Keirsey (also a web site).

--D

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had to do a group project with a woman in a second semester course in object oriented programming.

When it came time to get something done, She couldn't even write a header file.

But the professor absolutely loved her because she sat in the front row and had her hand up non-stop asking stupid questions with that eager doe-eyed look.

[–]BRENDORVEGAS-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are attracted to programming because of the clever names and good fonts. Programming can be an absolute bore.

[–]minoc_uo5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Im doing this now while working full time. I require myself 2 hours a night mon-thur. I am learning ms sql. I currenty work in IT doing help desk and reporting. I do alot of Excel work, i program in VBA for excel

Would love any advise you have

[–]blacwidonsfw-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How are those non clustered indexes, user defined functions and stored procedures coming along?

[–]stoRYtelleRY1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can confirm this, I'm an instructor at a full stack coding bootcamp in Miami. Jobs and contracts for programmers are plentiful.

If you can fake it well enough you could even get a contract and learn as you go. One of our speakers who came in to speak to our class today began like that and she's already sold her second company.

[–]4delicioustreats1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That might be 80k in bay area. Where rent is minimum $2500 a month... They can get by, but its not living large.

[–]laere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm assuming you taught yourself web dev stuff?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe it's different in NY then but 80k is definitely not impossible or too far off from what they make here.

[–]ch0dey6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

agreed. I make $130k in the middle of fucking nowhere, there's SOMEONE out there with a coding certificate in a big city making $80k.

[–]floppymammarygland 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I concur. Perhaps someone coming out of a reputable 4-year school but I would assume it would be closer to 50K even if this were the case.

[–]mrpCamper1 point2 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I hire MIS degree students straight out of school and pay them about 50k as "IT Analysts".

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[–]mrpCamper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've known quite a few females who were talented enough programmers. It was usually their inability to work in a team that made them sub par. But usually I am getting 10 apps for men for every 1 app for a woman. On paper, they usually come accross the same. Usually towards the top GPA wise. Usually, they crumble during the interview. Usually I hire the kid who is geeky about coding. Just loves this shit. Loves to learn about it and share what he learned. I have yet to interview a woman who has that characteristic. I stay open minded about finding one.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and possibly starting at even less. but 50K is a totally decent salary if you are doing what you love. if you are just slogging through hating every minute of it, then 50K is peanuts

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there are exceptions of course, the top few percentile will get sniped by huge companies like google, facebook, twitter, apple, microsoft, etc. and they will do absurdly well right off the bat.

but the average person who gets Bs in all his classes and learns the material but does not have any sort of special "spark" or innovative ability will be lumped in with the masses in meager paying cubicle jobs (at least to start)

[–]NeverPull0ut1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The answer is actually "absolutely", and the amount this comment is upvoted shows nothing but ignorance. I thought better of you guys.

It's not a 21 week casual program. It's 4 months of coding. You eat, sleep, and then code for 14 hours a day. If you're able to make it through the program and live in New York or San Francisco, 80k is on the lower end of what you could potentially be making.

[–]regal19891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but that is 21 weeks of what I would consider intense monastic study combined with really good relationships between companies that are actively hunting for Jr. Developers. I'm learning on my own right now. If you have a computer, an internet connection, and loads of free time you can code your way into a bigger paycheck. It requires a lot of discipline, you need to be will to push through the hard problems and not give up. Once you are at a level of competency worth hiring though, that's when the marathon starts. The reason companies like Google and Netflix pay great and have awesome benefits is that the job is mentally strenuous. A lot of places aren't known for their strong work/life balance. Personally, I have sort of gone into monk mode at the moment, I don't think this is long term sustainable for me, but I think I can do it for a couple years until my finances are squared away, then I'll go from there.

[–]qwerty_asd2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They actually can. The labor market for web and app developers with the in-demand skill set is crazy. But women won't take this offer. I have offered to loan many girls who hate their jobs the 2-3k to take one of these courses because I know they will get that job if they ar serious and complete the course. No woman has accepted my offer yet.

[–]skolmonkey5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In San francisco 80k after a programming course is totally possible in the current market, i believe. 80K there also doesn't get you that far. Having said that when I was going to school not that long ago in a totally different discipline there were plenty of affirmative action programs in a similar vein. Won't comment on that, but one thing I did notice is many of the people that signed up for a free ride to a decent job later realized they don't actually like the job that much. Can't call it buyers regret, but they felt like they had wasted big part of their life on sideways advancement.

[–]1Claude_Reborn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention 80K in NYC is slave wages due to the outrageous cost of living, same if you live in SF or Silicon Valley.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if they come in as a consultant and your boss is an idiot...

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

the catch here is that they can find you a place you in any shitty job which barely pays anything, and then you're instantly on the hook for payback. then you're stuck wasting precious years working that shitty job (when you should be bettering yourself in other avenues) until you've paid off the debt, assuming it even pays enough to do that

this actually sounds like a very slimy marketing scheme which totally exploits the feminist agenda. well played.

take notes gentlemen

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't want you to get a shitty job though because they charge a 22% annual fee for the first 12 months. The better the job they find you, the more money they make on top of the tuition you repay them.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There - they get extra marketing points for seeming "women-friendly" while baiting women to join in, while incurring no real risks. Genius!

[–]WillWorkForLTC8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

DING DING DING! Welcome to 'Murica! You've just won a free placement in the Venture Capital Corp. of your choice!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Reminds me of my college....oh wait.....I didn't go to college because I'm not an idiot. Why go to college when I can go to YouTube/read a book and learn to program on my own? Oh yeah...that's what I did and also learned how to bash for Linux. And now I am a Computer Systems Engineer at a huge...but shitty....company. But hey...gotta put in my time until I find something better.

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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. There are two types. One who learns to program because they have to have the grade and the other who truly loves to program and sees it as a challenging and fulfilling hobby that drives him to learn all they can and do it in their free time.

Which are you? If you are the second person, you don't need advice. You just go for it and start reading and watching everything you can about it. If you are the first type, my advice would be to not seek a programming job because the shit is not fun and is very anti-social. You are just a cog in the wheel. Essentially, you are the little 5 year old on the Chinese soccer ball assembly line.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand the redpill is against anti-social behavior

No it's not. Red Pill is about doing what you want. I was just giving you my life experience. I don't give a shit what you do and I like programming but couldn't do it my whole life. Been doing it for around 5 years off and on and already hate the life. Nothing but fat betas trying to sound cool. My life consist of getting up, going to work, putting in headphones, and typing for hours, then going home. Sounds nice...but after the 2nd year...you want to eat a shotgun barrel. So, I actually took a less paying job with more time for social life.

[–]1Claude_Reborn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Despite the low risk, women still won't enrol.

Women generally don't find STEM interesting, and you can throw all the incentives you like out there, women won't take the bait because they are emotionally driven, not logically.

[–]beginner_1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you don't take the job they find for you, you still owe them.

And if you drop out after first semester? Would actually be a good scheme to make money. Attracts a lot of not really interested women, that will fail quickly anyway and you get to collect some more tuition without any additional investment.

As a women in Tech you need to look yourself in 24/7 and cut all cords to not find a job yourself. An finding one that pays more than 80k is probably a piece of cake too. If a were a manager in a tech space I for sure would hire a sex women with tech degree to make the betas work harder to impress her.

As long as women don't need less points to pass a test...but that will probably be the next step. In fact test should have to be done on a PC (eg. keyboard, no handwriting) and blinded. Meaning the grader only get the anonymous test so no one gets special treatment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entire program is 21 weeks.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They'll do well in the first year. Computer Science draws all kinds of thirsty beta/omega losers (not to say they're all like that). They'll happily "help" them with their coursework.

Of course, once they're in upper years and shit gets really complicated, all those supposed coder chicks find themselves up the creek without a paddle. You see this shit in a lot of male-dominated classes.

[–]psylord2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was a Chem. Eng. major. In all my years of college, I have never seen a (large) college lecture hall so devoid of women as I did during Comp Sci 229, the sophomore/junior level advanced programming course for comp sci majors. There was one legitimately hot girl, and she kind of sat in the back and got out of there as fast as possible. The only other time I had ever been in such a male heavy class was AP Comp Sci in high school. I tend to think girls just don't declare CS as a major. It's probably just as much the fact that many of the males are spergs, as it is the fact that women can't code.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's all about the paper. Women will come and this college will get subsidies from daddy government, tax free. Then, all their "grads" will not go on to place in jobs and their placement percentage will tank just like ITT Tech and they will try and hide it until a Fed audit and then they will be shut down slowly.....just like ITT Tech.

[–]Kalepsis0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, it's not the fault of the school that women have no drive to succeed in a career. I can't blame them for trying to bump their equal-opportunity numbers so they don't lose federal funding.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, If I could run a school that makes millions off dumb ass women and daddy government, I would. In a heartbeat.

[–]teearrpee0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women can just get a manager role at a tech company. No need to do a coding course. So many tech companies are falling over themselves to hire women to fill a quota.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

most female employees at tech companies (or older consumer product companies) are HR, administrative, or program management positions that don't require a lot of technical knowledge.

[–]justadavid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

See Also: Carly Fionia (or however the hell it's spelled).

Example of someone mismanaging HP terribly. HP is still trying to recover now they've gotten rid of her. Oh, she's running for President? . . Just fucking great. . . --D

[–]1MajorMid60 points61 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Damn. Wish my nursing school tuition was free. Why am I not being coddled to address the gender gap there?

[–]WillWorkForLTC19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because you're given the unfair advantage of a STEM-gifted male brain. Shame on your brain!

[–]Rasalom7215 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bah.. having a male brain is a social construct... men's and women's brains are the same... because reasons feelz.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But transgender people have the wrong brain even though the brains are identical because reasons

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I hate to break it to you but you're gonna have to cut your dick off :(

[–]blue_2712 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why? Bruce Jenner didn't have to, and he got an award for "courage", and made the cover of Vanity Fair. I just wanted someone to pay my tuition. Can't I Crying Game it?

[–]sirjuicybooty6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention got away with fucking murder.

[–]evileddy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cut it off?

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-11/1/15/enhanced/webdr05/anigif_enhanced-buzz-19921-1414869643-4.gif

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can always become a transgender-identified-as-a-male-during-the-day-and-lesbian-at-night.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Gender balance in a female field...you make a good point.

Seriously though, how awesome is nursing!? I'm going this route to. Human anatomy is kicking my ass, but it will all be worth it.

[–]1MajorMid0 points1 point [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah anatomy is a pain in the ass. Luckily just have this one more semester of A&P 2

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill Nurse. Now I think I've seen it all.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja45 points46 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

My opinion as a web-developer...

A lot of places do this type of thing(all girl classes, discounts and incentives) and it never matters because females hate hate hate STEM jobs ESPECIALLY software & web site development(and the talented intelligent women that are in those fields are usually social outcast...I know some very talented female developers though so I don't want to disrespect the hard work they do but they are undoubtedly outliers and they know that).

Seriously ...I work at a web dev agency and we were hiring a developer and I have it on good authority that HR was targeting women to "diversify the demo ...if you know what I mean" (verbatim quote from one of the hiring managers)

didn't matter one bit ...all the incentives in the world aren't really going to change anything.

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[–]Unexpected_Artist 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Old, bitchy, salty, post wall man-haters no less. It's some serious bullshit. They try and do the feminist PC thing, but them discriminate against men with no realization of the disconnect.

[–]Heizenbrg0 points1 point [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

those hags discriminate against other women too really just anyone. Know lots of good people who don't get calls back, and they always say the person who had the power to hire them was shit.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They are all logic. That does not appeal to women at all.

[–]Yung_Boi 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy Link

All logic

Not really. ESPECIALLY for web developers. There is a huge creative input and a ton of sway on how to do things.

[–]JDiculous2 points3 points [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

As a web developer, I totally disagree.

Design? Sure, there's a lot of creative input there. But anything else is 100% technical and practically 0 creativity. The product manager assigns me tickets, and my job is to complete them. Sure I can tell him "oh maybe this should be done that way", but at the end of the day my job is to complete the technical tasks assigned to me.

[–]25russianbear256 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean most of us agree with you, but its still not fair when a women gets into a male dominated field and shes treated like a god(special treatment) but when a guy goes into a female dominated field he doesn't get special treatment. This doesnt sound very equal to me.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

when a guy goes into a female dominated field he doesn't get special treatment. This doesnt sound very equal to me

That isn't always the fact though.

Here in Germany, if you choose a career in nurturing/education, like kindergarten, children's home or elementary school, as a man, you will basically automatically have a free ticket for a very fast ride up the ladder.

It will also essentially be the working places which apply with you and not vice versa.

[–]25russianbear254 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Germany is very different from US. I think this guy did like an AMA as a kindergarten teacher and he told many stories on how hes labeled as a creep and a rapist.

It usually comes down to worth ethic and market value, having a dick doesnt magically make you better

[–]ForensicFungineer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

didn't matter one bit ...all the incentives in the world aren't really going to change anything.

We did the same thing at a previous position for sysadmin and network admin jobs. Five grand bounty for a woman that made it six months. In two and a half years, it wasn't claimed a single time. I personally looked in a half dozen places, including reddit, and found one person that lasted about two weeks before leaving for lunch and never coming back. The worst part about that whole hire (besides me being out five smackers) was the fact that with her resume, if she was a guy she wouldn't even have been considered. We took the chance in the name of diversity and lost big time.

Tech is one of the last true meritocracies left in the world. It's not some HR / sales / marketing job that you can bullshit your way though for a career.

[–]svchator 114 points114 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Suddenly, I identify as female!

[–]JihadDerp30 points31 points [recovered] (19 children) | Copy Link

First thing I thought when I read this. Just say you identify as a female. Free education. Boom.

[–]systemshock869 60 points60 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I really hope someone does this and makes big news. It would be even better if it was obviously a 'manly man,' who doesn't look the part at all, but who held impeccable frame and didn't let anyone call him out. Graduation speech: "The wage gap is fake, gender is biological, and I got a free ride off of your bullshit!"

[–]evileddy40 points41 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

I just picture some tall build dude with normal clothes on except some bright hooker red lipstick over his mustache.

"I identify as female.. one education plz"

[–]systemshock869 17 points17 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Lol exactly. He would have to be the Greek God of the oppression olympics to pull this one off.

[–]Schrodingersdawg4 points5 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Has life become South Park, or has South Park been correct all along?

[–]evileddy2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Surely we can find someone in that area to do this and film it for science?

[–]Mysteriouspaul8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If I don't like my current studies in engineering I'll give it a go. What's the worse that can happen anyway? I pout throw a tantrum and go to mainstream media about it?

If only we started using feminist guerrilla feels tactics...

[–]bea5tly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't you be a double agent for the femnazis? Like they support people identifying as other sexes... So basically you'd get a free ride and femnazi backing all on a false pretense of identifying as a girl.

Sign me up for the lulz

[–]evileddy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a fan of using a system against itself.

[–]2comment16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But since the genders are identical, there can be no "manly". It would be sexist to point anything of the such out. It's just different but the same.

A transgender lesbian bulldyke is just as much woman as, say, Hillary Clinton, if they identify as such. Yup.

[–]IndyBrodaSolo6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A transgender lesbian bulldyke is just as much woman as, say, Hillary Clinton

To be fair, a transgender lesbian bulldyke is quite good way to describe Hillary.

[–]1AmlanceJockey10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Chuck and Larry Go to Coding School

[–]TRPrinny0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey don't forget about Ernest!

[–]bigcitytruth2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like a Bud Light commercial about "Ladies Night" from about 20 years back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrrFxXZ3rk

[–]Kalepsis6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same here. Makes me want to Cartmann the shit out of it.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Screw you! I do what I want!"

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good idea mate, just tell them they can't discriminate based on your "gender"

[–]DrXaos1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually, a not entirely secret secret, is that in Silicon Valley many of the highest performing women in technical roles are MtF transgender/sexuals.

[–]philovivero0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I actually know one of these.

EDIT: WTF. I mean I know TWO of these.

[–]zo340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You might say that money has a...

Puts on sunglasses.

queer effect on you.

[edit to put on sunglasses]

[–]MrArnie2 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

A butch lesbian, to be exact

[–]TRPShill38 points39 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I cannot express how many female CS majors I saw use orbiters to pass their classes

[–]prodigyx10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've probably gotten a dozen blowjobs from giving girls my work from previous classes. And this was back in my beta days. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of omega CS guys willing to give it away for free, but even comp sci girls are willing to get on their knees for answers from a 4.0 grad.

I learned my lesson though, and my company still hasn't hired a female developer. Tech support and assistants, sure. But developers, no way.

[–]FoxMcWeezer5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even the most genuinely sweetest, kindest, empathetic, Mother Teresa of a lady friend I have knows most guys in CS are at her beck and call. She tries not to take advantage but even she admits she knows the opportunity is always there in case she needs it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are becoming their worst enemy. God damnit, fucking betas ruin it for everybody.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to be one of those orbiters... I can shamefully confirm.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hey guess what? I decided this morning I am really female. Thanks free tuition school.

[–]full_package6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Years of watching porn have decisively woken up a lesbian in me.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit haha. Someone needs to try this. Worst case scenario they have a lawsuit on their hands for gender discrimination.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've started on a regimen with soymilk, tofu, and lots of whole grains and beer to start getting my hormones how I want them. I've started on Ritalin. Is that enough? I'm really trying here.

[–]VodkaTankerSpill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boy you better gulp down those estrogen pills from your obongo care package.

[–]GrantNexus20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Although I'm definitely male, if I claim to gender identify as a woman I can also get free tuition. That'd put their panties in an overflow stack.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you mean, in a stack overflow.

[–]bloodfoxtrue 34 points34 points [recovered] | Copy Link

As a kid, I wouldn't have thought much about it but now I'm beginning to see that society is full of double standards for guys. I mean, no one is stopping girls from pursuing a STEM education; there are no weekly Patriarchy meetings plotting to keep young ladies from chasing their dreams of working in a technical area. Apparently it's not discrimination when it's convenient for SJWs. Sad that folks continue to mistake equal opportunity for equal outcomes.

[–]Drenmar25 points26 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Women don't feel "safe" and "welcome" in a meritocratic field like STEM. Turns out when only their performance counts and nobody coddles them because they're female, women leave and pursue something intangible like Gender Studies. They expect us to pussify STEM but it isn't happening.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They expect us to pussify STEM but it isn't happening.

Unfortunately: http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug

[–]badredditjame8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sheesh. How many decades of extra help have non-white-males and females gotten? And they are still claiming they are disadvantaged? The truth hurts too much I guess.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who ever claimed non-white-males are disadvantaged? At least in stem? As a non white male I feel offended. Typical white males are probably not even the majority in tech.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck. That was annoying to read. Since when do feminists have a say on what happens inside tech circles!

[–]sub1804 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At Virginia Tech the dean/assistant dean whatever of Comp Engineering (a woman) sat us down and said 'we're doing an initiative to get more girls into the department (comp sci/comp eng/electrical eng)'.

Blah blah blah, here's a few plans. I raised my hand.

"Why? Why have this push for more women in the department? I'm not against women and I know some of them get better grades than I do, but the system right now is that if they want to join any major they do. They are doing whatever they want. What is the reason behind getting 100 students to campaign in our free time to get more girls?"

Yea... she didn't have a fucking answer. This is before reading one word of TRP.

It doesn't make any fucking sense to present a plan to STEM kids based on feelings. Where's the fucking data? What are the metrics for success? Why are the current metrics a failure?

[–]2comment8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's all around and I noticed it starts in the family. I see it in too many families, including my own.

I have a bitch of a 5 year old niece (lets call her Lilith) and a sweet nephew (we'll call Sam, 3).

When she was one or two, if any of her two older half-brothers did anything to her the least bit, I wouldn't say threatening, but if she started to cry, you can bet her mother was there in an instant and looked at her sons suspiciously. And these were nice responsible kids that didn't try shit (one plays the piano and the other is taking college math course already at 15).

Anyway, this little bitch beast, Lilith, is a fucking nightmare. Has called everyone in the family an asshole including her grandparents when they don't do what she wants. In public. Throws shit around in tantrums. Steals from shops. And nearly the whole family is blue pill to her.

She knocks her little brother Sam down all the time, just wails on him, steals his toys, and in general is a bitch. The mother looks on unconcerned, might yell a bit but doesn't get up. But if Sam starts punching back (and he's learned), damn, does Mom stop the fight fast and the boy gets the most of it.

And you'll see that white knighting around a lot in families from both genders. And her mom is a "everyone is equal and same" commie that doesn't believe in hitting or restraining her kids even when they're going nuts.

About the only time it's reigned in is when they visit my house for family get togethers, because I told her what a shit parents she and my brother are. And even then the behavior of this little bitch drifts into uncontrollable into the evening until I throw them out.

I can say if one of her sons did this shit, the mom might not believe in hitting, but she'd work it out that one of the dads would hear of it and come around to give the kid a whack and a major scare.

[–]25russianbear253 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lilith is formulated into oppressed feminist when she grows up.

[–]bloodfoxtrue1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, thanks for sharing. I hope 'Lilith' matures properly; decades ago, my aunt spoilt her kid, ignoring familial warnings not to do so. Today, let's just say she regrets her actions now, to say the least. Favoritism or failure to discipline is a terrible recipe for a kid's upbringing.

[–]JMS2301 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is so true. Families favour the female children far more than the male children. I saw this when I was younger many times. An example that happened with me was when I was about 8 or 9 my 4-5 year old (female) cousin was at my house and I was playing on the computer. She came over while I was playing and asked if she could use it. I told her when I was done she could use it. Well, she did not like this one bit. She ended up punching me in the balls and started screaming and crying. I went to tell my parents what happened and... guess who got in shit? Me. Guess who got to use the conputer? Her. I sad she hit me in the balls and they just calmy told her not to do that and then told me to suck it up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This argument might boil down to "just don't make me do it, plskthx". A person who is trying to take advantage of you would say you hate them. You aren't obliged to help anybody, eh, they might say. They'll call you a bitch when you stop returning their texts. They may try to ruin you.

You've got to be ready for all of that coming for you.

[–]sunwukong1550 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, you don't attend the patriarchal meetings?

[–]putin_vor12 points13 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter, gentlemen. Programming is for a very specific type of person, and to get paid well you need to do a lot programming on your own. I would say, you must like it (or be extremely desperate, like the offshore teams in the poor countries who do it for the money) just to stay in the game.

No free education in the world will make people, men or women, want to do programming. If anything, it's a lot easier to give up, you're not invested.

I've seen it will my own eyes. First year classes are full of guys and girls. By the 4th year (BS in CS) most classes had 4-10 people, and there was one girl in one class, and one in another. Both girls were definitely interested in programming, and messed with the code. One of them was actually brilliant. Even at the undergrad level she did distributed modeling of cancer cell growth, quite impressive shit.

Arts classes that I had to take were the opposite, always full and full of girls.

Out of the ones who graduated in CS and I kept in contact with, only a few still work in the field. Most of the ones who work in the field have no ambition and got stuck in an average paying programming job, one of them on campus. I'm now making $100-150/hr doing silly web dev, and from the stories, there's no real upper limit.

$80K is absolutely not a high paying job in programming. It's something anyone with BS is CS can make right after graduating, assuming you did some extra projects during your education, or actually worked at the same time.

[–]rpscrote1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Statistically, 80k out of college is far above average, its definitely possible but you have to be 2 std. dev. above the curve so you best be good enough to merit that. You would probably also have to be in a location where the cost of living is high enough that the 80k salary isn't really all that much more money after expenses. Google/Facebook/Twitter jobs are the exception, not the rule. Programming is still one of the best fields to get into though because skilled, experienced programmers make fuck tons of money. Great money-per-years-experience ratio

http://www1.salary.com/Programmer-I-Salaries.html

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary/9fadb9f1/Entry-Level

[–]putin_vor0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I should have specified, NY/NJ is what I was talking about (the article talks about NYC). It's still like 80%+ percentile, but as long as you do your extra projects or actually work, you will be there.

http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Programmer-I-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx

And it's true, $80K in NY/NJ/CA is not that much.

And I never worked for Google/FB/Twitter, they don't pay that well on average, and the competition to work for them is crazy.

[–]rpscrote-2 points-1 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

well, at least for google, their starting software engineer pay (based on rumor, so take with salt) is $128,000. They pretty much get to only hire the best given the competition though like you say. Also apparently homes near google headquarters cant be found for much less than 700k... so theres that

[–]putin_vor0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

No way $128K is their starting, that's their average. The starting is more like $72K:

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm

And considering that they get the best engineers the world has to offer, these numbers are not that great, especially the average. Great benefits though.

[–]prodigyx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only that, but working for google/facebook/any big programming company is a lifestyle choice not a career choice. You live in google housing, you take google shuttle to work, you work out in the google gym, and eat in the google cafeteria. You date a google employee.

It is great for people who like comfort of college being extended into their professional life, but for people who like to keep their personal and professional life separate, it is a horrible decision.

[–]rpscrote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I stand corrected, like I said, I had only heard it second hand.

[–]thefuturist1337 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You do not know what are you talking about.

Entry level pay for Google is something like:

--100k base --15k variable -- 250 RSU's over 4 years

Most SWEs I know working at Google earn well over 150k by the time they get promoted.

[–]putin_vor0 points1 point [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

The difference between you and I, is I provided evidence, while you only provided your opinion.

[–]thefuturist1337 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy Link

No you did not provide evidence, merely made up some bullshit based on the salaries of SWE1s (72k lol)

Want evidence? I work at Amazon. Entry level here is 122k out of college. At Microsoft, it is 120k. At Google, it is 126k.

Take a good hard look at the "New Grads 2013: What was your offer? Hard Numbers Please!" thread in r-cscareerquestions.

[–]putin_vor0 points1 point [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Again,

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm

Versus your made up numbers.

[–]thefuturist1337 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You're a dumbass who has no business in the web development world.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-typical-Facebook-or-Google-offer-for-software-engineering-new-grads

[–]FoxMcWeezer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right about 80k being shit for a talented dev. Factor in that fact that 80k is basically minimum wage in NYC and you may as well have gone to Hamburger University

[–]DrScientist8127 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How much does it cost for guys again?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I realized I left that out of the original post so I edited it in - $15,680

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

15k worth of privilege right there

[–]tallwheel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, if I was already a student enrolled there, I would feel pretty fucking cheated paying that, knowing others didn't have to pay a cent just because of the sexual organs they were born with.

If I were considering going there, it would be pretty fucking off the table at this point.

[–]BlueChilli7 points8 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I decided to switch careers into computer programming. I was looking at Code Academy until I read their mission statement. Anyplace that puts such a massive strong emphasis on this dribble obviously doesn't seem like it's worth the money.

Instead, I'm taking that money and going to go school in the Philippines for a fraction of the cost.

[–]TheSandbergPrinciple6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Just learn coding by yourself, there are people who work at Google who only graduated high school but took the initiative to learn on their own.

[–]BlueChilli2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

True. And there are many who do. I am teaching myself coding every day now while working and should even get to the point where I will have some small projects done before classes even start in six months.

However, I firmly believe that getting a handle on the math and theoretical concepts will undoubtedly make me a better programmer in the end.

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[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In ten years, they will. For now, if you have a strong portfolio of projects and some work history, you're competitive. Skill is still not totally nailed down by the credentials industry (like FINRA has done for finance jobs) so there's actually a low barrier to entry.

[–]TheSandbergPrinciple0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most employers care more about what you can do rather than what school you went to. If you have a great portfolio, you have a chance.

[–]PlanetoftheGrapes944 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

YouTube- Derek banas. This guy was a godsend, helped with app delevopment, websites, and more complex concepts like the use of abstract methods and polymorphism. Tech interviewers love that shit. Has hundreds of videos I highly recommend him

[–]BlueChilli0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh wow, these videos are great. Thanks for pointing them out to me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Instead, I'm taking that money and going to go school in the Philippines for a fraction of the cost.

Is the Philippines known for their coding schools? lol

[–]BlueChilli2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Just because it's not the USA doesn't mean it isn't a quality education. Particularly when you consider it's a field about what you can do and show. If you know your stuff, you don't need a degree at all.

Is it a risk? Sure. Everything is risk, but at least it is a risk that won't leave me in crippling debt.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Drop me a line when you graduate, if you can speak and write English, with a degree, and can code, I will hire in my Philippines (Manila) operations center, after 18 months you are eligible to globally transfer anywhere within the 120 countries we have offices.

Good Luck!

[–]BlueChilli2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome and thanks a ton. I absolutely will.

[–]ALpha_chino180 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm currently studying Comp Science in MNL (I don't rely much on school curriculum. I do a lot of self study.) to be great at programming. I'm glad to hear you have an office in Manila.Is it okay if I take my chances with your organization once I graduate? Thanks

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, please do, contact me thru here. Thanks.

[–]ChadThundercockII0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have manly tears in my eyes.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It sure is. Some of the biggest tech companies on the planet have data centers and operations there, including outsourced development operations.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What school? How much does it cost?

[–]prodigyx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to tell you how to learn how to be a programmer, because figuring out the best resource on your own is a huge part of being a programmer.

But I will tell you that we will hire you 90% based on your ability & experience and 10% based on your degree. There are a couple schools that get automatically sent to the top of the resume pile, but if we decided to invite you in for a technical interview, you are on an equal playing field with everyone else we invited in. Degrees stop mattering and ability becomes the determining factor.

[–]2comment15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easy. Gender is a social construct.

Go in as a transgender woman. Enjoy free tuition. If they block you, threaten a tumblr shitstorm and gender discrimination lawsuit.

[–]prodigyx8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One of my female FB friends and fellow top 10 tech school graduate recently posted about this. She was complaining about how derogatory it was towards women in the tech industry.

She worked hard and is objectively competent in her field, and she took this as an insult because it implies that women are not capable of landing a tech job based on their performance and merit.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what feminists have fought for. People like us and your friend are the ones who suffer while those who created this don't even want it. They just want the option to be exist.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men will always be a majority in the fields of math, science, technology, etc. because our brains are wired in a way that puts us in the position to excel in these positions.

I don't think that's he reason. The main reason is, as always, incentives.

A woman can get rich by working hard, but marrying rich is much simpler, less risky and, most importantly, faster.

A man has virtually 0 chances of becoming rich by marrying, so our only chance is to work for it, and work hard. That makes us prefer directions in life that are more conductive to a bigger monetary payoff.

Add to this the additional factor that men are simply more motivated to be rich - that's the surest way of getting sex, whereas women don't even need to try.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, that's an additional reason but you can find a countless amount of studies that show men excel in different tasks then women due to how our brains are wired.

[–]Zacqhary0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

These types of studies tend to be inconsistent and often admit themselves that they are inconclusive. Through education courses I was taught that men and women (biologically speaking) are not naturally better than each other in certain subjects (generally). I was taught that men have a slight edge in visuospatial skills and women have a slight edge in language communication. I'm not fully sold on that idea nor do I have any resources available right now, so you can ignore specifics of those two subjects if you like. However, the main point is that I consistently was/am taught that the reason for the gap on many subjects is the way society views gender in education. Our brains are not (initially) wired to be better at math, but we are told that they are, therefore we enter such fields with a mentality that we will be good at it, while women enter those fields feeling discouraged. The same goes for the reverse (literature, etc.). Your own cited study even states

One thing that remains unknown is what is driving these differences between the sexes. An obvious possibility is that that male hormones like testosterone and female hormones like oestrogren have different affects on the brain. A more subtle possibility is that bringing a child up in a particular gender could affect how our brains are wired.

[–]smallpoly10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile CodeAcademy.com is free for everyone.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most of my assignments in my intro to programming course at my college utilize CodeCademy. It's a free college education apparently.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is coat Academy good enough to make something useful? Or is it just elementary formal knowledge?

[–]magus6785 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not knowing a lot about coding, isn't it kind of a "thing" about how meritocratus coding is? Like so much it is a sore spot for some women's groups?

Doesn't just dumping more women into coding exacerbate this problem and make it more obvious?

Seems like there might be some benefit to that level of exposure, at least.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The results don't even matter. It's all about achieving social justice and feeling good.

[–]Adolf_ghandi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

At least the problem will persist so they will look like retards even though they may feel good about that trash.

[–]alpha_n3rd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

meritocracy in software development is a joke; normal social power dynamics fully apply

[–]1BoogersAreTasty4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, the lure of "free stuff".

This brings back a lesson I learned from my father-in-law back in the late 80's.

We would go down to their lake house and ride ATV's on all the trails. It was especially fun when the creek had flooded and the main riding area was covered in knee deep mud.

We'd ride thru that mud and have a grand old time.

The first year or two that we went down the lake house, we'd do the mud riding on my father in laws ATV's as he was the only one that owned ATV's.

I remember he'd complain about how dirty they got and we could never clean them off enough to satisfy him. But he would always let us go back and ride some more (reluctantly).

Eventually, my wife and I purchased our own ATV's. I'll never forget the first time we took our brand new shiny ATV's down there. The creek had flooded the week before and the main riding area was covered in knee deep mud.

I couldn't wait to get out there and have some fun!

I drove my brand new shiny ATV that I had paid a few thousand of my hard earned dollars for out to the mud trails.

As I arrived at muddy area, I looked at the mud, I looked at the other ATV riders and how dirty and dinged up their ATV's were.....and then I paused.... I paused long enough to realize that I didn't want to damage or dirty my new ATV. Heck, I had paid a lot of money for it (and the money I spent on it "back in the day" was a LOT to me then). I turned the ATV around and drove back to the house.

My father-in-law asked what I was doing back so soon. I told him.

I then apologized to him for not showing him and his equipment more respect.

He smiled and said, "I guess you've learned a good lesson. We never respect that which is given to us as much as we respect that which we earned!"

Those profound words have stuck with ever since. That is a lesson I've tried to teach to my children for years. Now that kids are older and in college, I've had a couple of them acknowledge that lesson back to me and even apologize to me for not treating my stuff better!

My father in law is gone now....I miss that man!

tl;dr You never respect that which is given to you as much as you will respect that which earn

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women get everything in their lives for free, they will never respect or appreciate ANYTHING.

[–]BRENDORVEGAS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Something that is given has no value

[–]TheDreadPill3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

One of the unspoken truths on why there is a gender gap in STEM is that women don't want to enroll in a major to be surrounded by a majority of beta males all day.

[–]JihadDerp10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah because there are so many alpha males majoring in women's studies.

[–]TheDreadPill6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Echo chambers are comforting. STEM does not offer that.

[–]rpscrote2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

women's studies is really the fall back position of last resort since they've already struck out on 1) any useful degree, 2) getting a man and not having to worry about a degree, 3) useless degrees that are at least not made up bullshit (art history, history, etc.). Maybe a 4) "I'm a limp dicked psychologically damaged super emasculated beta male" who also struck out on one and three. The enrollment numbers is probably because they're desperate to get bodies in the door, and the bodies coming in have no other options.

Thats my theory anyway

[–]RPRedhead3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am amazed at the amount of attention focused on getting wymn into STEM jobs/careers. It really is too much sometimes. But, it's motivated by a desire to shift power to wymn from men. This is another area where it becomes clear that feminism is NOT about equality. Where is the bitching about the severe lack of male elementary education college students / teachers? Why can't a man get free tuition for that? Becacuse radfems say "IDGAF".

  But how to respond to this in a way that society at large will hear? Is equality actually something society cares about any more? Is there a 4chan style social engineering hack? Equality = Evil? The reality is that it's easier to just ignore it because it will probably just go away eventually...right?

[–]Bottled_Void2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole industry is blowing millions on trying to get women interested in programming. This course is just a tiny fraction of that. Most often it's met with the response, "Well if you're offering all this for free, it must be because it's run by misogynistic men. Why would I want to spend my entire day around a bunch of misogynistic men."

[–]rpscrote2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a programmers starting salary is ~$80,000

It is not. This factoid keeps spreading across the internet. AVERAGE computer programmer pay is $80k. That is not average starting wage. Average starting wage is 50-55k. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary/9fadb9f1/Entry-Level.

http://www1.salary.com/Programmer-I-Salaries.html.

Computer programmer have a great trend line for salary advancement, you can very quickly get to 80k and beyond. But you don't start there.

[–]antoseb2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Also, remember that many women will at some point in their careers take a maternity leave. This can last multiple years sometimes. With the speed at which the tech industry is progressing, a short absence like this can be a big disadvantage. That's another reason why women that want children are not a good fit for this field.

Clearly the university knows this and they just want to be PC with the ignorant public.

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[–]newls2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here in the UK the majority of university students are girls, a percentage that has been rising for the last decade at least. But on the latest A-level results day, politicians and journalists were still falling all over themselves to whinge about how there were still 'problems' for girls in STEM programs. They're addicted to inventing 'injustices' out of nowhere for themselves to 'fight for'.

[–]StarDestinyGuy2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've never understood anything related to gender gaps or trying to fix them.

Let's say 70% of programmers are men and 30% women.

What's wrong with that? Why would we possibly need to make that an even 50-50?

That gender gap exists because of the choices women make in their life. So are we going to try and force women to pursue a field they don't want to pursue so that we achieve gender equilibrium for some arbitrary reason?

[–]Tqbfjotlds 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What's wrong with that?

Women do not get access to the money that they want. That is the simple problem they see. They want to have the same money and resources as men, of cource, without similar effort.

[–]StarDestinyGuy1 point2 points [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

They have access to the money though, they just choose not to pursue it.

[–]648262-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If less women choose a certain profession the industry has lost a certain amount of good people. Take the bottom performing 20% men and replace them with 20% top performing women. Or if they're good performers you can possibly let go of even more bottom performers.

[–]StarDestinyGuy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's true, but you can't force women to go into programming for example, and even if you did, you're forcing then to pursue something they don't want to.

The women that are truly passionate about programming are already pursuing it.

[–]648262-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes you discover new things that you like. It might have been around forever, maybe you even knew about it, but never took an interest? Mathematics was like that for me. It didn't become fun until I decided to study engineering at 25. Before that it was something silly I had no intention of spending any time on. Now I love it.

Many women have no idea how programming works, but I'm sure some of them would love it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit considering I personally know plenty of women (as I'm sure most of you do) who took out a $120,000 loan to get a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory or an equivalent meaningless degree while Grace Hopper Academy's tuition is $15,680.

Spit out my fucking drink reading this.

Just imagine if they would to do this the other way around: free tuition for men who want to take a psychology education (mostly popular among females). Oh wait that would be gender discrimination.

[–]ChadThundercockII2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

we define "women" as anyone female identifying -- including transgender, genderqueer, and non-binary."

I identify as a woman. Give me free tuition. Can you guys send me 50 $ to buy a wig and some make up ?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why companies want to fill race or gender quotas. Shouldn't they just want the work done in a timely and efficient manor? I could give a fuck less if the one doing the work is a woman, black, gay, straight, Christian, whatever the fuck. Just do your goddamn job and go home.

Why incentivize women to do something that they generally historically have no interest in doing? Women don't enter these sorts of fields for a reason.

[–]unsafeword 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Tuition is a social construct.

[–]25russianbear25-1 points0 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism and equality is a social construct

[–]Red_Pill_Raskol4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where's my nursing school subsidy?

[–]NeoSamwell3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm 17 years old and looking to major in computer science. unfortunately I have no idea how I'm going to pay tuition, (hoping for financial aid to help considerably.) but seriously, I know no one in my general area whos even remotely interested in computer science. To say there's a men/women gap in the people going into tech comes off as ignorant to me because there's not enough people going into tech in the first place.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, that's easy. Identify as genderqueer and go for free.

[–]friendlysociopathic1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Who cares? They have to pay it back in the end and you'll outcompete them in practice.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As a man, I care. Initiatives like this put men at a disadvantage.

[–]friendlysociopathic8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, it puts weaker and stupider men at a disadvantage. When you go into the workplace as a coder, you will be competing with a larger proportion of women - which makes excelling and getting promoted vastly easier than it would be in an all-male workplace. Furthermore, when you get those promotions, you will discover why powerful men encourage this stuff - because it provides an incredibly biddable force of worker drones who do exactly as they're told and won't negotiate for higher salaries.

All of this stuff is only a problem if you see yourself as being in the bottom 80%.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good point. I wasn't looking at it that way.

I'm still concerned though that this type of thinking will spill over into other facets of my life and put me at a disadvantage because some SJW is trying to tip the scales of a justice.

[–]friendlysociopathic5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a reason powerful and extremely intelligent men encourage this stuff. As I said in the (edited) last comment, all of these modern trends are only a problem if you're in the bottom 80% of men.

You'll be fine as long as you're machiavellian enough to pander to them. Most men do not understand what's going on, and understanding this gives you an extremely valuable competitive advantage as a result of your ability to see through the bullshit. When you understand exactly what women in the workplace want, you can charm the hell out of them and have them on your side instantly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If women are so independent then they can pay for tuition..

[–]TheOldSlapAndTickle1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's nothing. You're not going to believe this, brace yourself, but I recently discovered that in bars/clubs across America, women get discounts on their drinks and cover charges while men pay full price on what they call "Ladies' night"! In some cases, the drinks/cover are even free! And they don't even have to pay it back, ever!

Seriously though, this is really no different than scholarships/financial aid being available to women/minorities at any regular college/university. Is it unfair? Absolutely. But this is the reality we live in, and it's unlikely to change. The sooner you accept that and learn to deal with it, the better off you'll be.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The Red Pill is about challenging these socially accepted norms that shouldn't be accepted.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think MRAs are about challenging this stuff publicly, TheRedPill is just about acknowledging it and understanding the rules of the game and exploiting it in secret.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok then change my use of the word "challenging" to "acknowledging."

[–]TheOldSlapAndTickle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And here I thought what differentiated TRP and MRAs was that TRP, rather than complaining about how things are unfair and how they should be, had the philosophy of, "This is how the world is today, it's likely not going to change, best to learn to make the best of it and maximize your chances of success in every way, given the current reality".

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They banned Ladie's night in California apparently

[–]Rougepellet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People's current definition of gender equality is eradicating any differences, biological or otherwise, between the genders. We might as well be asexual namekians then.

[–]blue_271 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait. ... So I can pull a Bruce Jenner, and they'll pay my tuition for me? Shit, I'm feeling all sorts of lady-like this semester.

[–]mr_one_liner1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's see some MtF trans try to get the free tuition. That would be interesting.

[–]Ounumen3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sign me up! I keep telling people the day they open women's rest rooms in Govt buildings that's were I'll be dropping my #2. Women's bathrooms are clean! No dicks drawn on the walls either

[–]dherik12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their bathrooms are fucking gross, you don't want to be in there.

[–]lrph001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now this? Damn, they get into clubs/bars for free or at a fraction of the cost, get free drinks. Such crap.

[–]johnhasquestions0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is more of a business decision for the academy and a mistake from the industry as a whole. Since there is tons of backlash from the public over the gender gap in tech, female programmers become more valuable. By making tuition free they intice women to go to their institution and can cash in from their placement fees as I see them getting larger salaries than their male counterparts. I wouldn't place the blame to this institution as they are only attempting to cash in on the future and making a good business decision. Place the blame at people complaining there aren't women programmers at tech companies.

[–]bobby8u0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The retention rate of my freshman group to grad in CS was under 20%. Its not for everyone and i dont that changing.

[–]Rasalom720 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't someone get a lawyer and solve this problem?

[–]Christian_Kong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

1 of 2 things happens: women come in learn, get jobs and prove to SJW that there is unfair practices are keeping women out of tech or women come in and fail and prove to SJW that there is unfair practices are keeping women out of tech.

[–]normalfag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hacker Academy in NYC does the same thing, providing financial aid to people based on their gender, race, and sexual orientation.

[–]full_package0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Alright, given these percentages which college do I apply for a free degree in ...

...fuck that, I'm not studying any of that useless garbage. Occupational therapy seems to have highest national median pay. What the fuck is occupational therapy?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is occupational therapy?

Jugding from the wikipedia entry: Parenting.

[–]RP-on-AF10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like an easy lawsuit for somebody.

[–]TheRealMouseRat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The divorce settlement gap need to be rectified too.

[–]6482620 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A hundred percent of zero is still zero.

Good PR.

[–]alpha-game0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

just sign up as non-binary, stating you identify as a woman.

case closed.

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[–]ArcadesRed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see a chicken/egg thing going on with guys and children. Guys have been teachers for young children forever. Hell, I was in k-6 school in the 80's, I had a bunch of male teachers and plenty of male interns. But these days being a k-12 teacher is crap pay. So guys with degrees tend to get good paying jobs with those degrees. Teaching is literately becoming a woman's job and at the same time its considered creepy for a man to want to be around children. How the hell is feminism wrapping their heads around this? I thought we were all the same.

[–]sweetleef0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

we define "women" as anyone female identifying -- including ... genderqueer, and non-binary."

A handout to anyone who says they're a woman, even if they don't go so far as to say they actually are a woman. Got it.

And TIL:

"genderqueer" = person who does not subscribe to conventional gender distinctions but identifies with neither, both, or a combination of male and female genders."

LOL.

[–]BlueChilli2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I identify as a Gazellekin and it's my dream to return to the Serengeti and create apps to track lions.

[–]minoc_uo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a tech school by me free tutition to anyone unemployed or underemployed <45k. I tried the school as a paid student. It was bad. A kid in class told me to cancel while i can its not worth the money. I think they get some governement credit

[–]What_The_Shoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I identify as a woman. Free tuition.

[–]666Evo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've had an idea. I'm from Australia. I've considered moving to another country before.
What I could do is sell up everything here, move to NYC, live on what I've made from selling up, tell these idiots I identify as a women, get "free" tuition and step into an ~$80k job at the end?
And I could get my girl (a legitimate woman. We're... lesbian or something?) to do the same. Resulting in ~$160k joint income.

Interesting...

[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can either get mad at the system; or learn to exploit it until it collapses if the people creating the incentives refuse to wake up and make the correct changes.

[–]Echelon640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's rage inducing but this isn't going to bring women to programming jobs anytime soon. At best it might give a woman who truly does have an interest a leg up, at best.

Also personally, I'm a minority, Hispanic at that. I'm a fucking walking unicorn in the CS community.

[–]Nicholas_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That annoys me because chicks got it easy enough rofl, please let me get a job based on my qualifications and skills and not because I'm not female please.

[–]BleauGumms0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's all identify as women and get free stuffs

[–]bowie7470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't recall seeing free tuition for men to study nursing?

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I could use a free degree. What's it take to be trans? Do I just have to tell someone I "identify" as female? It would be embarrassing and oppressive to require me to prove myself with a medical exam.

And I'm not just trans. I'm gay trans because I'm married to a woman. I should get two scholarships.

[–]wyso_serious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What will happen is companies will create a job with a CS sounding name that will be nothing more than formatting already written code into nicer fonts, spacing and other desktop publishing/editing factors. They'll suggest new variable naming conventions and perhaps find typos.

They'll get paid the same and it will further widen the animosity gap between men and women.

[–]_raisin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Forcing equal outcomes is so ridiculous. Everyone should only be given equal opportunities. period. That fact that they try SO VERY HARD to give women an ENORMOUS advantage in tech and yet there still isn't even close to an equal outcome should be a huge wakeup call. Women will never flock to stem fields by choice. ITS NOT A CRISIS!

[–]CD_Johanna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. Say you identify as a woman.

  2. If they say no, say they are discriminating

  3. Check privilege

???

  1. Profit

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone "female identifying" can qualify?

By that reasoning I should be able to walk in there and say that I feeeeeeel like a bitch who was tragically born with a dick and get my free education. But that won't happen.

You have to fight for every last scrap that you have. Never give any of it away for free.

[–]AlCapown3d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't you just identify as one of these nonsense genders as a male?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You all should NOT take gender gap programs like this seriously until there are equivalent programs directed at getting men into the "nurturing" careers such as nursing, education, etc. Ignore the status impact, we're just looking at raw economic equality here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone sue them for violating the civil rights act.

[–]1mr_nate_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I identify as a woman, so give me free tuition."

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any idea if I can get in while pretending to be a woman trapped in a man's body? I haven't had a sex change because my Asian dad would kill me if I did.

ubringdishonoruponyourfamiry

[–]cascadecombo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just sue them for discrimination.

[–]moose_war0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ladies Drink Free

¯\_ (ツ) _/¯

Expect to see more of this in the coming decade. Coding is a pretty important skill, but I imagine the feminists will want men to fall behind even more in education to you know...equal things out.

That being said, I heard that place is not worth the money. You can probably learn what they teach for free by just going online or buying a textbook for cheap (like most college degrees).

[–]thisornothing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women, on average, don't give a shit about technical jobs. Sure, there's the odd exception - but that's what it is, the odd exception. These quotas, tuition-waivers - have they not worked out yet how fucking pointless it is? We've been at this shit for decades and guess what? Women still want to work with people, men want to build things and get shit done. Stop forcing this crap.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

*As an inclusive program looking to break barriers in tech, we define "women" as anyone female identifying -- including transgender, genderqueer, and non-binary.

See? Guys are eligible too.

[–]Stythe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck all this shit. I'd go to school if I could afford it, but I can't right now.

Whatever. The level of entitlement going on can't last forever. What goes around comes around and we can already see things are getting so unbalanced that things can't go unnoticed for too much longer ....or maybe I'm giving people more credit than they deserve, but I doubt it.

[–]vlodia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder why can't this shit happen in reverse? All men who want to take nursing have a free tuition fee to address the gender gap in the healthcare industry.

[–]justadavid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never heard of this Academy, and I'm in the computer coding business.

Very very few woman coders out there. If there is one she's mobbed by guys. They tend to say "Oh, I'm a lesbian" because they're tired of being mobbed. This is one of the very few places I feel a little sympathy.

If you're serious about coding (any sex), then get a book on Linux Internals, go download the source code, and trace it through. Do system calls. Trace a program through from beginning to end. If you're a Linux wizard the job openings are begging for you.

These days you may have to get that very annoying A+ certification. I looked at the questions and they were out of date and amazingly stupid. Where is my serial port interrupt located? 3 and 4. But most computers that ship today don't have one. And believe it or not, "DOS=HIGH, UMB" does what? Wow, I really used that in ... Windows 95 and Me. I'd probably have to lurk in a notably complete old computers shop to find one of those.

--D

[–]ComradeCynic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no gender gap, there is only a logic gap.

For the equivalent amount of work a woman needed to truly succeed in computer programming, a woman can take an MBA or Law degree and then get hired by a BigCorp for twice what you programmer peons make.

Then, she will be surrounded by higher-status situational alphas and SATC type women, a better environment in her view, than around you nerdy and competent beta types.

[–]PENIS__FINGERS0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The one caveat being they must pay back the tuition once they are employed

So it's not free... nice clickbait title lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

For men tuition is 15k, for women it's $0.

[–]waylandertheslayer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

we define "women" as anyone female identifying -- including transgender

Simple. Show up and say "I've decided I'm a woman, and I identify as a woman. Now give me free tuition." They can't really say no, can they?

[–]thefisherman19610 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who cares, they're a private business and they can do that if they want. This kind of bullshit whining belongs on the mens rights sub, not TRP

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So we should never discuss anything a private business does that we disagree with?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This used to get me angry too, now I just adopt a "let's wait and see" mentality and let the marketplace regulate itself. If women truly naturally suck at programming, the market will eventually react to that and women will stop being hired (or get fired more frequently for under-performing).

Of course that assumes that companies will have the balls to fire them in the first place and not be afraid of be labeled "sexist" or misogynists and of course the fired women will accuse the companies of being a "toxic workplace for women", but at the end of the day, the market always follows the money. Might take a decade though for the pendulum to swing back - people can't sell the "women are underrepresented, let's boost them" for long and it will eventually get old.

When that happens, the women that truly suck will move on, the women that are truly good and passionate will stay and life will move on as usual.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The marketplace already has regulated itself. This a forced response to natural regulation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that's up to debate - I think women have regulated themselves in making it clear that they are NOT interested in computing, for the most part - and it has always showed in their lack of interest in signing up for CS courses and them dropping out to pursue other courses. So yes, this is a forced response to the natural fact that women in general are NOT interested in CS - but it is not a response from the marketplace itself.

I think it will take a few years still for this crop of new women to go through CS courses, join the market in full force, and then see where the chips will fall - we're still in the initial stages of "let's get more women in tech!" - we'll only know once this stage fades away ("great, now there's a lot of women in tech!") and then they start to either get fired or quit for being miserable ("women are leaving tech because it is a toxic environment!" - we already see a few of these here and there).

So once all the marketing and the social justice fad of "let's get women in tech" fades away and "let's code!" stop being a glamorous social call and becomes a 9 to 5 hustle of dealing with hard to reproduce bugs and documentation and meetings and whatnot and being a geek is not seen as the "new cool" anymore, we'll be able to tell the real passionate engineers from the social fad opportunists.

EDIT: at the end of the day, in CS, this doesn't matter - whenever you try to get hired you will be tested regardless of gender or what school you went to, so any men/women who can't even do a FizzBuzz will get kicked right off the bat. The market will regulate itself based on this alone and most undeserving women will be left out of the marketplace with their $15K in debt. I'd watch for the next step in the social warrior STEM call: the claim that companies' hiring processes are sexist or misogynist because they are weeding out more women than men.

[–]1chuckrutledge0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So if I say that I identify as a woman can I get free tuition?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Says so in the fine print.

[–]MazeMouse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wear a dress for free education.

[–]Kryonixc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this ''equal''? Wtf

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn't get angry that they got it for free, but instead you should be angry at yourself because you entered that course full of BS.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Nice post OP, however you say women are not biologically meant to perform at the same level as men. In some areas where there is more of a physical demand, I find this true, however I know a few female programmers who would run laps around the both of us, so I disagree with that notion

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's called a generalization my friend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotcha you should x post to mens right subreddit

[–]hebola4lyfe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

not knowing what " outlier " means . Nice try

[–]FutureChild07-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

wow this is some heavy bs... I'm actually jealous as hell right now

[–]BorisKafka-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even more infuriating is that when they graduate they get a Ranger patch.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Next: Stipend. Why stop at free tuition? What about other expenses like make up, Banana Republic, mani/pedi at the spa, and other 'necessities"? A poor woman can't forgo those just because she's serving the greater cause of attending school. So add to the free tuition a stipend and that would making things better.

What's after what comes next? Loan forgiveness. No need to repay the loan.

Guaranteed degree no-question asked would be a nice touch too.

Brace yourself, I am no prophet, I just know that given enough data points, one can easily determined where a trend is headed.

[–]Squeezymypenisy-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this illegal? Your in luck though. Some of the colleges that have more women then men are now secretly doing reverse affirmative action for men. Vassar was one and some others. If more women go to regular college then men will find themselves in a more advantageous position.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Your in luck though.

As a white male, I'm literally at the bottom of the totem pole. Not sure how you'd consider that being lucky.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This was for all males. Now yea stem will be hit hard by women in the coming years, but anything else is up for the taking. What you should pray for is more and more women getting into college. Are those jobs making 80,000 in new york city?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It really depends but you can easily start at 100k with the right company.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only in NYC? And this is for coding?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only in NYC no. It's definitely attainable in any major city for coding.

[–]grewapair-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand the butt hurt. There are men only colleges in the US. If someone wants to offer this, I don't see the problem.

And if they are offering courses that employers actually want people to have, so much the better. And if their success rate suffers, well, there are lots of men taking courses on government loans from these fake colleges too.

Maybe I'm just missing the point of this post, but I wish ALL colleges were doing this. Feminist studies and half the liberal arts majors favored by women so they can have a 4 year vacation before locking down the beta provider who will REALLY support her would get the axe immediately.

[–]gregsapopin-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe chicks generally aren't into STEM.

[–]vezokpiraka-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think that you are enraged about nothing.

Who cares if they hand free tuition? It's not for you. I know you think it's unfair, but that's just how life is.

Man up and finish your studies. This thing really doesn't affect you at all.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're missing the larger picture if you think this doesn't affect me.

When I got to apply for a job in this field, I will always be behind a female applicant, regardless of our qualifications. Also, the spreading of this mindset throughout our society is concerning.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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