Man is convicted of statutory rape because the girl lied about her age. It is the quote of the judges that really astounds me

CopperFox3c · 2015-10-23T20:56:32+00:00

Judge's words: “You went out looking for trouble and you found it. It was tragically wrong.”

Now imagine if a judge said this to a woman after she went out for a night of heavy drinking and ended up being "raped" (i.e. she got really drunk, had sex with a stranger, then regretted it the next day). She put herself in a potentially dangerous situation, and thus she was responsible for the consequences. Reverse the genders, and that is essentially what the judge is telling the man. Except you can't tell a woman that ...

Feminism in a nutshell:

All men are inherently violent, dangerous. Rapists.

All women have no agency. They are not responsible for their actions. In other words, they are basically children.

Feminism is one fucked up world-view, my friends.

MattyAnon · 2015-10-23T20:28:08+00:00

“You went out looking for trouble and you found it. It was tragically wrong.”

I'm pretty sure he went out looking for sex ...

Anarch_Angel · 2015-10-23T22:42:35+00:00

I followed this case. This was repealed and he has been taken off the sex offender registry

PlayerXz · 2015-10-23T20:39:26+00:00

In July, 20-year-old Indiana man Zach Anderson was sentenced to 90 days in jail and ordered to register as a sex offender in two states, and remain on those registries until 2040.

Would move from those states immediately

As a sex offender, he’d be forbidden from owning a smartphone or using the Internet for the next five years, talking to anyone younger than 17 (aside from immediate family), going anywhere that serves alcohol, and being away from home past 8pm every night.

Totally unenforceable unless caught

Judge Dennis Wiley told Anderson, “You went online... trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this.”

Don't care what you find inappropriate. Clearly this judge has been living under a rock for the past 50 years.

Idioticaz · 2015-10-23T21:19:22+00:00

So this guy who was just trying to get some fun like all guys his age do was duped by an underage girl into having sex and he has to register as sex offender?

From your post it looks like his social life for the next 5 years is absolutely destroyed, he won't be able to have many friends if any at all due to the restrictions on smartphones, internet, and places that serve alcohol.

So really what does he have to look forward to now? This is the sort of judicial stupidity that breeds hatred, anger, and violence towards the government and society. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy looses it due to being outcast for a simple mistake that was not even his fault.

RedPharaohRising · 2015-10-23T21:33:34+00:00

I didn't know judges were allowed to project their own moralities into their judgements. Fuck

Hoodwink · 2015-10-23T20:18:37+00:00

This is why trial by jury and jury nullification exists.

Rasalom72 · 2015-10-23T20:29:58+00:00

Well duh! He didn't card her before he banged her...

verify_account · 2015-10-23T20:26:50+00:00

Someone needs to bring this legislating judges back to reality; I assume they could be voted out of their jobs? Interpret the laws, don't bring your own personal opinions and vices into them.

runningismycrack · 2015-10-23T21:30:45+00:00

As a sex offender, he’d be forbidden from owning a smartphone or using the Internet for the next five years, talking to anyone younger than 17 (aside from immediate family), going anywhere that serves alcohol, and being away from home past 8pm every night

Are you fucking kidding me? Sex offender is such a massive umbrella to put someone under. One of my friends got put on the sex offenders list because he mooned a cop. Now I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure theres a difference between someone who moons a cop and someone that actually sexually assaults someone

SILENTSAM69 · 2015-10-23T22:25:19+00:00

This is scary, and hits close to home. I once faced a similar charge. I never knew her age and her mother had me charged.

My lawyer told me there was no defense and to plead guilty and hope for less jail time as it was a first offence. There was a mistrial since he was her sisters lawyer in an unrelated case.

My next mayer was a woman who was personally offended by my case and wouldn't let me plead guilty. She faught her ass off and got me found innocent.

One of the only times in my life I do not mind saying that woman was my hero.

steelerfaninperu · 2015-10-23T22:27:26+00:00

The most shocking part of this is the "You can't use the internet for 5 years part"

Five fucking years! What the flying fuck?! How on gods green earth do you not use the internet for five fucking years? No more Amazon? No more Netflix? No more youporn? What the fuck is wrong with our society.

Seriously, leave the USA. We've jumped the proverbial shark in terms of our insane appetite for social justice. We've decided to just ignore reality and create our own little pocket of the universe where the universe is completely non-existent. I can't stand it and I"m so glad I up and left. I can fuck 17 year olds without worrying about losing my internet privileges for half a goddamn decade.

Truan · 2015-10-23T21:05:23+00:00

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RealRational · 2015-10-23T22:54:24+00:00

The real takeaway here is that it's simply a bad decision to have casual sex in modern America. The deck is stacked too heavily against you, the risk will NEVER be worth the reward.

At best you have crappy shallow sex with a potentially STD infested slut.

At worst your entire life is destroyed forever.

Obviously this is wrong and not how things should be. But TRP isn't about how things should be, it's about how they are.

2015-10-24T01:39:05+00:00

Let this be a reminder that just because conservatives are preferable to their liberal counterparts, it does not make them our allies. The right is just as fucked up and backwards as the left.

Mikesapien · 2015-10-24T05:29:14+00:00

"You went online... trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this."

"Honorable" Judge Wiley sounds like a frustrated beta chump who could never get laid, and is abusing his position to punish other guys for hookups, like he's resentful that men can do this and he can't. Wiley, you're pulling a real Elliot Roger. Knock it the fuck off.

2015-10-23T22:55:13+00:00

The girl was aware that a law was being broken. The man was not aware that a law was being broken. That should be all that needs to be said.

HighVoltLowWatt · 2015-10-23T21:39:56+00:00

Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't mens rea be applicable to statutory rape cases?

Part of it being a crime is actually knowing the victim isn't legally empowered to give sexual consent, correct? And he can't be reasonably expected to guess the the age of his partner or to believe she lied. Just look at aggressive carding rules at bars and stores for booze/tobacco. These policy's exist because some 19 year olds look 35.

It doesn't help that both the judges are using their positions for puritanical grandstanding about "the darn kids and their new fangled sexting phones!" At least pretend to be impartial...

strps · 2015-10-24T00:44:52+00:00

forbidden from owning a smartphone or using the Internet for the next five years

I'm not being ironic when I say that's draconian in today's world. How the fuck is he going to go to university, or remain in contact with anyone he doesn't live with? This effectively shuts him out of participating in the majority of the world he might for the next 5 years. I can't believe they would give this sort of sentence so lightly.

Kiluan · 2015-10-24T05:22:42+00:00

A co-worker of mine who is currently 19 has been battling a statutory rape case since he turned 18.

You see, 2 weeks after he turned 18 he had intercourse with a 16 year old who had been courting. Her mother found out, flipped her shit, and immediately went to work trying to ruin her daughter's suitor's life. Over $30,000 in legal fees later, this kid has been rake over the coals, shamed, and slapped with whatever criminal charges they could be muster and forced to wear an ankle tracker, simply for liking and successfully scoring a girl similar to his own age.

This whole fiasco has gotten him removed from both his school and all subsequent groups he was active with there.

This is a tragic injustice to this young man AND the girl that he liked, as she clearly liked him back.

Momo_dollar · 2015-10-23T22:37:14+00:00

Google his name. I think he has just been removed from the sex offenders register. Its coming up as 18 mins ago breaking news.

2015-10-23T22:54:21+00:00

Usually this stuff makes me mad but now I'm just sad.

Noramia · 2015-10-23T23:41:28+00:00

If only the boy and the girl did not talk to the police....

killcat · 2015-10-24T00:09:18+00:00

As I understand it the conviction has been overturned, even the "justice" system managed to see that this was bull.

2015-10-24T05:17:55+00:00

Here's what should happen in a case like this:

The child gets in deep trouble for using an app made for adults.

The end.

2015-10-23T21:22:45+00:00

Damn... Just no... I don't know bout constitutional court in USA but in my country they are really reasonable and if you are harmed by any law you can ask them bout their opinion... My advice... Use everything you can by law... Every appeal and stuff...

Truan · 2015-10-23T21:31:21+00:00

ITT: People who didn't read the article.

Momo_dollar · 2015-10-23T22:31:23+00:00

“You went online... trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this.”

Other than the obvious hypocrisy, ie the girls on there are doing the same, and have the control, didn't his lawyer point out to the judge that the the judges moral views don't count for shit. All that matters is did he break the law, and did he do it knowingly and with intent.

CowardlyPetrov · 2015-10-23T23:37:39+00:00

Judge Dennis Wiley told Anderson, “You went online... trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this.”

Yeah, that quote is retarded.

I agree with him, you know, SOCIALLY. But to extend your social judgments into punishing people for crimes they haven't committed? This quote pretty much amounts to, "You went out with the intention of legally enjoying yourself, but it is not to my taste and that you were deceived is convenient for me because I want to hurt you."

People talking about whether or not the onus is on the man as an adult makes me thing of mens rea. I'm too lazy to try to explain so I'm just going to quote wikipedia.

Mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind") in criminal law, is viewed as one of the necessary elements of some crimes. The standard common law test of criminal liability is usually expressed in the Latin phrase, actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, which means "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty". Thus, in jurisdictions with due process, there must be an actus reus, or "guilty act", accompanied by some level of mens rea to constitute the crime with which the defendant is charged (see the technical requirement of concurrence). As a general rule, criminal liability does not attach to a person who merely acted with the absence of mental fault. The exception is strict liability crimes.

Therefore, mens rea refers to the mental element of the offence that accompanies the actus reus. In some jurisdictions, the terms mens rea and actus reus have been replaced by alternative terminology. In Australia, for example, the elements of the federal offenses are now designated as "fault elements" or "mental elements" (mens rea) and "physical elements" or "external elements" (actus reus). This terminology was adopted to replace the obscurity of the Latin terms with simple and accurate phrasing.

This guy did not intend to commit this crime and we know this for a fact. The mother would not defend him if that was not the case and the daughter admitted to lying. This is not even in question.

Wow. There are no words to describe how fucked up this supposedly unbiased judge is in dishing out his sentence.

Yeah, I agree with you.

So this is what it comes down to. Apparently men have to be looking for more than sex on these sites. Never mind the under aged liar who is also looking for the same fucking thing in a place she has no business looking. Never mind the entire purpose and attitude of the app. Never mind what the girl's intentions ever are. If the male is caught doing something wrong, it is 100% his fault.

In a just world, that girl would be put onto some sort of registry. Not one that involves a curfew and restricts internet access. God those are draconian and retarded restrictions. But one which is publicly listed and records her crime of falsifying information with intent to commit a crime. Some sort of lying bitch registry. I can't think of exactly the name. Something like Perjurers' registry but that includes all the various ways women lie from this to false allegations to perjury. I don't know a word that covers all that in official legal sort of language. Can't just call it lying bitch registry.

Rougepellet · 2015-10-24T00:23:37+00:00

What the fuck this is horseshit. Can the court actually do that? Because the beta judge doesn't approve of the dude getting pussy he gives him such a punishment? What kind of system is that? Fuck the states.

moose_war · 2015-10-24T00:25:37+00:00

and ordered to register as a sex offender in two states, and remain on those registries until 2040.

Anyone have that story linked here recently where the mother fucked her son's 13 year old friend and blackmailed him too? She served 3 of her 6 year sentence and is on the sex offender list until NEXT FUCKING YEAR. For knowingly fucking and blackmailing a 13 year old boy multiple times. This guy's life is ruined for 25 fucking years??

As a sex offender, he’d be forbidden from owning a smartphone or using the Internet for the next five years, talking to anyone younger than 17 (aside from immediate family), going anywhere that serves alcohol, and being away from home past 8pm every night.

No smartphone or internet usage for 5 years? WHAT THE FUCK? So he's basically fucked as far as a job or school or anything? His life is over? He seriously might commit suicide over this. This is INSANE. And I find it ironic that he can't even speak to certain people and they chose the age of 17 to rub that in. AND he has a curfew.

Had they not successfully appealed the decision, this guy's life would have been completely over. Unless he could leave the country, they would have effectively driven him to homelessness and suicide as punishment. As it is, his "lighter" sentence is still a fucking insult.

MALE PRIVILEGE!

TheMGhandi · 2015-10-24T01:08:08+00:00

I doubt anyone will see this out of a sea of comments, but I'll still shove my dick right in here.

The real question we should be asking is, why is a 14-year-old girl on an app to hook-up with adult men and why would her mother defend a so-called accused man? I'll paint a picture for you here: An early bloomer follows the footsteps of her attractive mother OR a bad influence from friends.

But I do know one fact throughout history that will never change, now or in the future: mothers will never go against their children unless they think it's for the child's own good. So here we have a "judge" who thinks little of the mother's testimony when in fact it makes this an "open and shut case Johnson".

Going back to history, remember when men would raid villages? I don't think women of today have forgotten, and now it's our turn to be pillaged and raped. We are all just a harvest to them and there are knights everywhere just waiting on a voice command "He did this to me...cue tears".

Understand that acting lessons won't help men as much, only a shrewd mind will, and the sad thing is most of society and those reading this comment are stupid. Accept it and maybe you'll never get in a similar circumstance as the 'child kidnapper'.

GrandmasterHurricane · 2015-10-24T01:14:16+00:00

I went to Atlantic City with my brother and his friends for bachelor party, one of them was getting married. We stayed at this hotel/casino. While out hunting for poon and good times in the casino area and where the cubs are, my bro and his friends found this small group of young sloots (short ass shorts, tanks, flip flops/flats). I was doing my own thing, practicing some RP, approaching by myself, and going to the different bats by myself. I end up finding them back near a waterfall.

Now, me knowing better, I asked the sloots their age and they all say 18. I'm skeptical. Myl bro and his friends we're into them, trying to "game" them back into coming back to our suite. They're dancing together, my bro picks up one of the sloots by her ass cheeks and I'm watching as her shorts get pulled so far up from the hug that pussy lips are gonna pop out soon. She's smiling, loving the attention, her ass is in the air, my bro and his friends are cheering, I'm just observing everyone. Now, I could tell by the looks on the girl's faces that they were happy, happy because of the attention they were getting. It dawned me right then for sure that they were minors. Keep in mind that my bro and his friends are like 30, 29,27,27. It's getting to a point where people sitting around the waterfall fountain start to look at us, in a funny way though.

I keep my distance, sill observing, gaming these two chicks sitting at a slot machine. Fnally, I hear the boys calling me over. But, when I started to game those chicks at the machines we got into talking about our ages. And they told me they were 16 and 17, but I knew better because by their faces I could tell they were approaching the wall at Mach speed due to their heavy drinking and slooting around. So I call them out on their bullshit and they fold after a while, they said they wanted to see my reaction. I figured that they saw me with the boys and were testing if I was a predator too. I knew then and there that I had to go save these dudes.

I walk back right when my brother's group and the girl's left the fountain area, they were headed to their rooms. The girls were down for some fun. They stop by some machines just fucking about, giving some LLLMR, and I catch up to them.

I then pull my brother and the bachelor aside telling them to check the sloots for ID before they get in our room. My brother said "They said they were 18 bro, don't worry". His friend started quiet. I Keep telling them both that they NEED to ask for ID (Also, we were talking in our native language, but ID still sounds like ID). I guess the rest of the group must have caught a little ear in the conversation and one of my bro's friends comes over asking what is up. I explain and he agrees. My brother says it's unnecessary. I tell him I won't be visiting anyone in prison anytime soon. There's a back and forth between the 4 of us now. Let me also say that as soon as that friend came over asking what was up after maybe having heard the word ID from afar, three of the girls suddenly had to use the bathroom.

We waited 6-15mn and they never came back. Their friends went looking for them after a while and didn't come back either. I knew what was happening, they didn't want to be IDd so they bailed. It's about 2AM at this point, and I tell the boys we need to get back on the hunt and that the girls aren't coming back. They said they'll wait. At that point I was already super tired since I was in the gym going super hard earlier that day and I didn't get my calories in, I'm ready to call it a night. I split from the group and start walking towards the clubs/bars area, two of the boys followed.

I ended up at a 3 venues within the following hour, danced a bit but couldn't bring any home because of shit wingmanship. I get stuck with 2 chicks, one dtf sexy HB7 and her fat friend who she just wouldn't leave. I kept making signals to the boys requesting someone to take the fatty but they didn't understand.

At around 3:30 or so I called it a night. Clubs were still going off but I knew nothing was gonna happen that night. Went back to our room and I knocked out. The next morning the boys tell me that they did see one of the girls again and she apologized, I laughed.

rabidrabbity · 2015-10-24T01:23:11+00:00

Hiring women is safer.. better and waaay more fun. Online hooks are questionable, at best.

Hydris · 2015-10-24T02:30:42+00:00

should’ve been smarter about the whole thing and perhaps requested proof of the girl’s age, in the form of a driver’s license or the like, before having sex.

Like that matters. There have been cases where a legal ID is not enough. I believe there was a story in florida about a girl who managed to get a STATE ID stating she was 21 when she was 15 by mistake of the state. Met a guy in a bar, had sex with him and he was charged with statutory rape.

2015-10-24T04:02:03+00:00

Whatever happened to intentions? A sane judge should see the guy intended to meet people near his own age he wasn't out after children. This is insane.

myshieldsforargus · 2015-10-24T06:06:23+00:00

most judges are parents. and as parents, their primary concern will always be MUH CHILLEN, to them, he is just a renegade on the prowl for some young poon, up to no good.

of course the sexual dynamics of humans as it has evolved over 100,000 years is ignored, this is simply the case where the power lies only in old people, who have different priorities to young, and they impose their own ideas on young people using the power of the state.

r4dio4ctive · 2015-10-24T06:14:50+00:00

What grade were you in when 9/11 happened? If she can't answer; problem solved. No one goes to jail. You all come to this sub to learn how to score with women, but based on many of the comments most of you can't tell the difference between a woman and a child.

Boovs4life · 2015-10-24T07:09:20+00:00

This is why i don't use these apps. I'm 18 and women older than me aren't attracted to younger guys and girls younger than me (17) can lie about their age since a 15 year old could easily pass as a 17 yr old. Same with an "18 yr" old she could be 16 (age of consent here is 17). How do i prevent this from happening? It's not like I'm gonna say "can i see ur ID pls."

scorpion_God · 2015-10-24T07:13:30+00:00

Ahhhh America... "Land of the free" except when you lose your freedom over a bullshit law which their are plenty of. Understand, this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. Fucking puritans.

BlueFreedom420 · 2015-10-24T08:13:53+00:00

When the empire falls, remember to show no mercy.

2015-10-24T08:39:37+00:00

Funny how she isnt being charged with Fraud lol

Rawpick · 2015-10-24T08:41:09+00:00

The land of the free doing that freedom thing again...

nuesuh · 2015-10-24T08:54:12+00:00

90 days in jail and ordered to register as a sex offender in two states, and remain on those registries until 2040. As a sex offender, he’d be forbidden from owning a smartphone or using the Internet for the next five years, talking to anyone younger than 17 (aside from immediate family), going anywhere that serves alcohol, and being away from home past 8pm every night.

That's pretty much a death sentence for a 20 year old...

PlusGoody · 2015-10-23T23:16:07+00:00

He was unquestionably guilty. He is getting off very easy. When you're out having sex with very young women, the burden shifts to you to take precautions they are not too young. Perfectly reasonable and consistent with the legal duties of someone engaged in any inherently risky activity.

icecow · 2015-10-23T22:28:30+00:00

I don't know. If logic is a factor I'd think they'd both be convicted. If you want to change the law so a 17 year old hooking up with a 16 year old (or 14 year old) isn't fire and brimstone that's another issue. Can't just fuck a child and say she didn't have ID and she said she was legal.

FLFTW16 · 2015-10-24T04:27:27+00:00

This could happen to anyone. In fact it happened to me. When I was in college I hooked up with a girl and outright asked her if she was a legal adult, 18 or over. She answered yes. After we fucked turns out nah she was 17, she lied to me because she didn't want to scare me off. There was no way to tell. The girl was more sexually experienced than me, had sex toys and had an attitude that alluded to maturity. She was 17 going on 25, but somehow I would have been seen as the creeper.

Women lie. That's the take home message. Young girls like to fuck, it's what nature designed them for. Fucking fit older men and making healthy babies. That is their purpose and they will fulfill their biological destiny no matter what the government does to stop it.

The young man got a raw deal. He should escape the United States of Faggotry and come to Thailand where he can fuck, go out after 8pm, drink beers, use the internet and smart phones, and just live his life. The US is a plantation and men are the slaves.

drummmmergeorge · 2015-10-24T03:01:40+00:00

I agree with the court. Despite lying a 14 year old girl is very conspicuous to spot. Dude, should only hit on Japanese women as I do.

Mikesapien · 2015-10-23T23:57:24+00:00

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Ah, but a judge DID.