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Men's RightsStudy: Women Twice as Likely to be Hired Over Equally-Qualified Men in STEM Tenure-Track Positions (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by IndyBrodaSolo

http://www.ischoolguide.com/articles/11133/20150428/women-qualified-men-stem-tenure.htm

So hiring women over men 2:1 is not sexist? This is just ridiculous. Even with blatant discrimination against men in STEM fields, feminist are somehow still able to blame patriarch for their inability to do science and engineering.

Maybe we as a society should finally face the truth. Most of women just don't like STEM and are completely unable to do it. That's only reason why there are more men in STEM fields and almost all of the best scientists and engineers are men.

When feminists attack science they are attacking very basis of our existence. We are a scientific civilization. That means a civilization in which knowledge and its integrity are crucial. And that's what these SJWs are trying to change.

We are being weighed in the balance at this moment. We have not been given any guarantee that Assyria and Egypt and Rome were not given. It's either scientific integrity or post-modernistic feminism. Take your choice. Our time is running out.


[–][deleted] 191 points192 points  (26 children)

For the general public, differences in capacity between men and women are not nearly as great as differences between desire.

The reason women in the west are underrepresented in the STEM fields is not because they lack the capacity, it's because they don't enjoy the work and don't have the motivation to persevere on a path they dislike when other more enjoyable paths are open to them.

In highly "equal" countries, such as Scandinavian countries, you see a huge divide between the fields men and women pursue. IN countries where money is tight, options are few and equality limited, such as Russia or India, you see a lot of women pursuing, and thriving, in technology sectors because the alternative is to be poor in a country with little welfare or pedestalizing of women. They either do or they suffer, and so they do.

They don't have to here, so they don't.

[–]throwaway-aa2 49 points50 points  (9 children)

For all the people that don't know, this has been covered in "Gender Studies are Nonsense" in the sidebar over there. You can get a comprehensive breakdown of these things.

That being said I think I have an interesting point to make that just dawned on me. Women in "equal" countries that are well off usually choose to pursue more feminine careers (nurses, social workers, etc), while women in non so equal countries or countries that are not well off (India), the women choose to go into the technology sector.

This is actually an interesting take on the women in OUR society who choose to go into these fields. Notice... that it's not the HB10's that are going into the technology sector... but why is that? It's because technically she IS well off because of her looks and is free to follow her heart. Many of the non valuable women with extremely low SMV choose to get into the technology sector... because like women in India have a strong need to be able to provide for themselves (and their families), so do women who clearly cannot get a high enough SMV man to provide a great deal for her.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 37 points38 points  (8 children)

I work in IT, and I can tell you, almost all of the women I've worked with were either nerdy hambeasts, or bitchy old shrews.

[–]rpacco 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I work as a software engineer. Initially we had one female and about 30 men in our team, and the atmosphere was great, great collaboration, people were helping each other, we were striving to improve our product.

Now, a few more women were hired (not for their ability, mind you), and now the atmosphere has become so machiavellian, everyone is fighting for status, one of the women is continuously flirting with the project manager. It's all gone down the drain. I've been considering quitting for some time, and I'm sure that's the rational thing to do for myself, but that's another story.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

It gets worse once they start trickling into management. I used to work for the Technical division of Accenture. The lead for my location, which was newly opened, was a woman, and she gave us an idea of things to come when she invited all of the female employees, and female only, to a party at her place. She always did everything possible to make sure women were fast tracked and protected.

The group of people that I was hired in contained 5 women and around 30 men. When I left 6 years later 4 of the women were still there and I was one of 3 remaining men. And the woman who left was only gone because she stopped showing up for work on her second week and refused to answer phone calls.

A good amount of female IT professionals are perfectly competent, let's keep it fair. But I can't think of a single female IT manager that I would want to work for. They're either raging bitches that would get punched in the mouth if they were a guy, or they focus on developing their own little sisterhood cabal.

[–]nuesuh 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It applies to any field that (for good reason) is occupied mainly by men. When women act like men for a long time, they become ugly on the inside.. And, as you mentioned, on the outside.

[–]SpeakerToRedditors 8 points8 points [recovered]

Confirmed: the IT department I work in has 1 hambeast and 2 bitchy old shrews

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Double confirmed: a company I did IT for had me completely under-staffed. I was doing three people's worth of work (by their own numbers and admission). When my boss finally relented to bringing on some help for me, he hired some absolute butter-face (body: 8-9; face: 2-3) 19yo college girl. While working on a small upgrade project, she admitted to me that she knew next to nothing about computers, and was hired simply for her tits, so she always displayed them however she could.

When she no longer felt like even pretending to work, she left. I demanded to be involved in the next hiring process, and got the nerdiest kid I could find. Needless to say, he actually helped.

[–]Billee_Boyee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

upvote for 'nerdy hambeasts'

[–]nuesuh 20 points21 points  (6 children)

From scandinavia, can confirm. Here are some stats Danish educations from 2015:

96% of people in Industry(workers) are men.

92% of people in construction are men.

90% of people in ground transport(truckers) are men.

95% of people in social and health help are women.

85% of people on the pedagogue study are women.

Attempted to find out how many women are collecting garbage in Denmark. All I was able to find was an article about how shitty it is for a woman to be in garbage collection. "We have to change clothes with the boys T_T". I would guess we have somewhere between 10 and 40 female garbage collectors in the country.

[–]SpeakerToRedditors 3 points3 points [recovered]

I can't fathom how low the SMV of the garbage collecting women are

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I've noticed more than a few decent looking women in construction here in the States. Of course, they're not the ones with shovels in hand, or anywhere near the work. Nope, they're the ones told to hold caution signs and just stand all day. They're paid the same as the guy working the backhoe, digging holes, laying pavement, or generally killing himself to get shit done. She's standing next to a pole, looking bored.

It's the same in any of those industries and professions. Sure, you can find women in those sectors... occupying the most token, laziest jobs their sad-sack bosses can find for them.

[–]cariboo_j 7 points8 points  (0 children)

From my experience 90% of traffic ladies are 45 year old chainsmoking single mothers.

But hey, at least they have some integrity and work instead of living off child support and welfare?

[–]Stormhammer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw a hot short bus driver last night at a haunted house that was a part of the attrsction.

I can officially say I have had sex in the short bus now.

[–]nuesuh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally, pretty low. But, there are nearly always exceptions. When I was doing basic training in the military one of the drill sergants was pretty hot.. But I guess that despite the anger and brutallity she spewed it still wasn't garbage collector level.

[–]icallmyselfmonster 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Its worse than that. Often when Boys and Men are tending the fields, women have time to study. Then in really developing countries, women get loans and micro-finance.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Right, because all the western help agencies help only women. Ever notice, it's for "women entrepreneurs" not "entrepreneurs". We are trying to change patriarchal traditional societies by putting the women over the men.

That's why I never give a penny to those "charities". I want them to fail.

[–]icallmyselfmonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't give a penny to any charity. Hardly any of it sees the cause. It's usually holidays for people who could be working. Or spent on awareness. I have friends from Africa that say the same. Africa needs white people to stop interfering and let it sort it's own shit out. Tough love.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The reason women in the west are underrepresented in the STEM fields is not because they lack the capacity, it's because they don't enjoy the work and don't have the motivation to persevere on a path they dislike when other more enjoyable paths are open to them.

There's an additional element to that: overall aptitude.

What I've observed was that those women who had an aptitude for STEM-related subjects weren't just good at these, but were usually pretty talented (and hard-working) in general. In other words: their aptitude for STEM wasn't their particular strength that dwarved all others.

In stemmy guys on the other hand I've registered far more often that their talents concentrated around STEM. They were good with numbers and mathematical laws and easily got a knack for IT, physics etc., but weren't considerably above average otherwise. That these guys ultimately ended up in STEM was only logical.

[–]killcat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also saw this, if they were smart, and dedicated, enough to get into STEM they could get into Law or Medicine.

[–]nuesuh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While what you say is absolutely true, I don't think having less aptitude than men would discourage them or get them fired in any significant amount.

It would discourage me, but I'm not picking profession to prove myself or by following my emotions

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my work experience, I found I often got technically difficult problems. And I'd better solve them. Girls seemed to get more moderate work, maybe time consuming but they knew they could get it done working 8 hours a day.

A subtle form of discrimination but very real. I didn't get extra rewards for doing the harder stuff, it was just expected.

[–]cariboo_j -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's almost like... you read the sidebar!!

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Story 1:

I applied for an internship 5 years ago, fresh out of college.

It was a research position of doing 3 months of hiking, camping and doing on-site surveys and seismic tests (which I had done in the Alps for the Austrian government a few times). I was very confident in getting chosen, because it was in Argentina/Chile and Spanish is my 2nd language. Heres the kicker, the person to be hired also would have to take care of cooking for the group (5 people).

I knew all the applicants and was very surprised that a woman with 0 field experience was chosen. She also didnt speak a word of Spanish. They asked her if she could cook and she said yes.

Long story short, on the first day of mapping, she was asked to cook after a long day of hiking and it turned out that she didnt even know how to make pasta.

The Phd candidate who was doing his thesis there was forced to cook for the group for the rest of the 3 month expedition. I heard that she even didnt know how to anything technical. Go figure.

Story 2:

In college. Female professor posts position for research assistant for 2 months of core sampling in Svalbard. Everyone gets all excited and applies.

The position went to... the ONLY female in our year, because QUOTE "I dont want to share a tent with a man for 2 months."

[–]epixs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This really pisses me of. I'm going into the medical field and I already see this shit happening and its only going rto get worse

[–]elevul 1 point2 points  (2 children)

To be fair the last one makes sense. Kind if a twisted sense, but sense none the less.

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It would be illegal in the United States. But winning a reverse discrimination suit (discrimination against men, or whites) is near impossible, so the charge would be something minor and she would be told to do better next time.

[–]CrazedHyperion 20 points21 points  (9 children)

So here we are, class of 13 students, Master's in ..... Engr. There are 3 women out of the 13. All three women have boyfriends that teach the class as PhD students. The slides for the class are not posted online. Yesterday, just before a quiz, I walk in the class and I see one of the women perusing through a set of papers - the slides presented in class. I was like, whoa, were these posted online? And what else does she have access to? Quizzes, tests? And, is her boyfriend going to grade these?

Sheeesh, it made me so angry. Some other dudes also saw it.

It would not have been a big issue, but the instructor goes through the slides extremely fast, there is no way to take notes of it. Somehow, I don't think it is ethical. I lost all respect for these cunts.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

as another person in academia, i can say that unfortunately this is a bad idea

nothing actually ever gets done about it but someone gets "a talking to", and then because of the extremely small class sizes, its painfully obvious who complained

[–]CrazedHyperion 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuck that, I get sick from just being in their presence now.

[–]CrazedHyperion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And to add, in other class that requires active interaction on other topic, these women are quiet as a mouse, no ideas, no input.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Master's in ..... Engr

Dude no one is going to find you out if you say Master's in Computer Engineering or Masters in Mechanical Engineering.

It's not like if you said '3rd year PhD in Seismic Geology at Tuscaloosa, Kansas'...

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Feel sorry for those doctoral students. Beta providers until those bitches graduate or get into the PhD program themselves, then the hole will dry up ...

The pussy pass. Happens especially in fields where there aren't many girls. But I generally looked for women in different fields than I was in.

I was in a highly political doctoral program. I survived but some didn't. And one of those who didn't was a very bright boy who was helping a much less bright girl -- who was only cute if compared to girls in technical subjects. Not horribly ugly but nothing special. The girl eventually got her PhD probably sleeping with faculty and, through further application of the pussy pass, got a tenure track job at Michigan. The boy was kicked out (given a Masters and sent on his way) on some bogus excuse or other.

[–]CrazedHyperion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's OK, we'll find a way to sabotage them down the road.

[–]RPTA9000 77 points78 points  (16 children)

Can confirm with personal anecdote. Girl I know from undergrad, got her ME degree with me. Very attractive, eastern European. Cool chick, and very smart. She's a pretty decent engineer. We were part of a group of friends/study buddies, and hit it off. Mainly I think because I was the only one not tripping over myself to try to win her favor. I had other things going on, and despite her appearance didn't have any interest in her. After graduation, I stay on to get my Master's degree, do some research, publish some papers. Parlay that into a great job at a major Aerospace/defense contractor. She spends a year or so traveling in Europe staying with friends/family, then a few years working generic administrative type jobs back in the states (nothing really related to her degree).

Fast forward to a year ago. I've worked hard, gotten corporate-level recognition, earned golden plates for Outstanding Engineer two separate years, and am in a senior engineering position in my group. She gets hired on at my company, same campus as me, as a contract employee. Usually takes at least one or two contact terms (1.5-3 years) before they convert you to a direct employee, and that's only if you're a REALLY stellar performer. In less than a year, she is converted and hired as a direct employee. In a very senior engineering position, working directly under one of our site leaders. Now she is smart, and probably easily capable of the work that position requires. But there is no way myself, or anyone else, even more qualified than she, would have gotten that kind of position in that timeframe with that educational/work experience.

She didn't take a job from me, and is in another group from me entirely, so not in my chain of command. Her promotion hasn't hurt me in any way. So no hard feelings on my part. She's a friend, and I'm happy for her that things have worked out so well. But it does chap my ass a little to see my fairly rapid advancement (a result of a graduate degree, years of hard work and long hours, and high-level recognition) eclipsed by a tight ass, narrow waist, and a set of high cheekbones. What makes it worse is she honestly thinks this is normal, and has no clue as to how hard every other (male) engineer has to work to achieve what was presented to her on a silver platter. Female solipsism and all that. But hey. Now when we go out for beers after work I make her pick up the tab (bigger paycheck and all), and I happily use her connections to help me get shit done at work and network with the bigwigs. So in my own way I'm letting her tits work for me.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Now she is smart, and probably easily capable of the work that position requires. But there is no way myself, or anyone else, even more qualified than she, would have gotten that kind of position in that timeframe with that educational/work experience.

A friend of mine works at a globally operating company that's into engineering observed something similar - while the company itself has (dunno whether it's in general or just in his region) a single digit percentage of women doing actual field work there (and the company would be elated to hire more qualified women, European equality laws and all that, if there only were enough of them), they are under pressure to boost the female share when it comes to leadership positions (again, European equality laws and all that). Which in turn makes it ridiculously easy for a woman who fulfills the qualifications to be kicked upstairs. You can guess how this impacts the respect the male employees will have for their female superiors.

Well, feminism in a nutshell: "we want quotas for women, but looking down on women who got their position due to quotas is sexist."

[–]newls 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It's funny because they say that they want women to be treated equally to the men and to have the same equality of opportunity. Which in an unfettered world is hilariously exactly what actually happens. The only problem is that this results in way fewer women, because they're naturally inclined to other industries that reward them with greater happiness and much less stress, which is fine.

And on a macro scale the girls do not like doing work where they are directly judged and held responsible for the quality of what they output. They shake at the thought of the clear-cut black-and-white linking of their reputation to what they output in the workplace. But that is exactly how the men are treated too.

Thing is, they're so used to being treated like princesses that they don't know anything else. So they genuinely see this equal treatment as misogyny and sexism. To them, meritocracy is sexist. They talk about it all day long, but really it makes them cry when they have to live it.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Thing is, they're so used to being treated like princesses that they don't know anything else.

No, feminists are simply completely and irrevocably invested in the idea that women are absolutely nowhere less capable than men, apart from stuff that's either unflattering (f.ex. "men are better at violence") or irrefutable even for the dumbest ("men are physically stronger").

So when women do worse in certain lines of work, it must be because they're actively alienated, constantly run into insurmountable obstacles or conditioned (via education and culture) to not even get there in the first place.

[–]newls 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I believe that phenomenon is due to their solipsism. They do have no concept of the amount of discipline and work men have to put in to reach certain goals that they place for themselves. Things 'just happen', right?

That said, I do believe the good hard-working girls realise there is a correlation between work input and good output. I definitely experienced that at school and elsewhere. They hate the freeloading feminist bitches even more than our mere disdain for them.

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah I observed the same when I was an engineer, before grad school. It was ridiculous. I just stopped caring much. Girls got automatic promotion on management track, technically mediocre.

But the easiest boss I ever had was a woman, the only female boss I've had. She was quite easy to work for, for me and the other technically capable guys on the team. But there was this one girl on the team too, and she was technically the worst. She was quite scared of this female boss, who apparently cut her no breaks.

So opposite sex attraction (not sexual, just more comfortable interaction) can work in your favor too, once the woman gets promoted. Seems like /u/RPTA9000 is using a similar idea even though the woman isn't his direct boss.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In short, Quota Babes. We see the same in politics. In the current Cabinet, it was all about how many women Cameron appointed, nothing about how well qualified they were relative to other contenders. Same thing with the Shadow Cabinet, the press was all on how many women were chosen by Corbyn, a simple numbers game, as if there is some universal law that women would make up 50% ceteris paribus. In fact, this is the main plank of the new UK feminist party propoganda machine. Just count the numbers; if more men, it must be discrimination and 'we have more work to do'; if more women, well women are better at those things anyway.

[–]cheeky_throwaway101 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Holy fuck that is so depressing. I thought I'd left the anger stage, turns out I was wrong.

[–]RedSugarPill 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I've seen it in law too. It's pretty much everywhere now. Channel your anger into productive work, and don't sweat it too much, because it's the law of the land right now. At least we weren't born into complete slavery with absolutely no hope of navigating rough seas. Embrace, endure, and enjoy the decline..

[–]RPTA9000 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Hey man. It's life. Getting worked up about it doesn't do anything but raise my blood pressure. I don't make the rules, but thanks to TRP I at least know what they are and can figure out how best to make them work FOR me. Does it suck? Sometimes. But getting pissed at the world because it's not fair and giving up is a woman's prerogative. Being a man is about buckling down and working hard to do the best we can in spite of the suck.

[–]cheeky_throwaway101 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Absolutely, you're right. I mean I knew these things went on. My brother for instance is 34, he's worked at the same job as a chartered surveyor for over a decade. It's in the public sector, but it is a good job with some nice perks. He said over the last 5 years, they've been 'downsizing.' Getting rid of a lot of dead wood and using this as an excuse to push those who want to keep their jobs harder and harder to avoid the chop. He says when he started there, there were almost no women working there. The numbers of employees have effectively stayed the same. However the ones that have been given the chop, have been directly replaced by women.

He says that women are now coming in with less experience, no interest in what they are doing but are getting paid close to what he is.

Like you say, just enjoy the decline. :) In some respects I'm glad I don't have to work with many women in my industry, but I'm only able to do that because my job is so back breaking and labour intensive.

[–]SpaceCrunch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shipboard Marine Engineer here. Work is way to hard for women. It's nice to have an engineering job where part of the required aptitude is heavy lifting and sweaty/dirty work. Most female marine engineers only work for a few years before getting knocked up and (willfully) hanging up their hard hats for good.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

damn ive said this so many times i feel ya

the depressing part is that women use this as evidence to show how superior they really are when they are finally "given them a chance" in these fields

[–]icallmyselfmonster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its not that bad. I have seen women be accelerated into positions to fast and they end up getting tripped up. As high level permissions require experience. Then they end up hitting a glass ceiling, because of positive discrimination.

[–]StManTiS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is cause for anger for some. However realize that everything has a fast track. A nephew of the president can get in right near the top after partying at ASU for four years. What's more is that some people rise through social construct and not their work. When you do good work they can't easily replace you if you move up so you get kept in place.

It's not even really get fault she got the easy way in. I would blame the weak men who promote with their dick. However it is far more likely there was some quote and some manager bow gets a gold star for diversity.

My point is you can get made at the rules of the game. You chose to play it, you chose the career path. Someone else succeeding for whatever dumbass reason isn't really cause to be angry.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Now when we go out for beers after work I make her pick up the tab (bigger paycheck and all)

How do you do this tactfully? This seems like a good social skill to have

[–]RPTA9000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was pretty easy. Were at our usual post-work drinkery (small craft brewery around the corner) when she told me about her position/promotion. I said something to the effect of "wow, congrats! That's awesome <name>. Guess drinks are on you!" She doesn't always do it, but more often than not she'll pick up my tab or at least a round or two.

[–]grewapair 19 points20 points  (14 children)

One of my female former employees just got hired as a programmer at a university as a career change after taking a few computer classes on her own. She interviewed for a year with no offers before getting a university job.

Turns out they hired her and then just told her to sit in her office and do nothing all day. Because universities probably have 15 diversity directors, the university obviously has a quota for women, but the manager responsible isn't crazy enough to let her near real code. They assigned the project she was hired to work on to a guy in a different department.

Not limited to women: I had a black buddy who got a job like that for 10 years. He worked in the aerospace industry as an engineer, and all he had to do, for ten years, was to bring in any book and read it. The government demanded so many non-white employees from their contractors. Joke was on him though: after ten years of doing nothing, he got laid off, and had literally no skills. Ivy league engineering degree and he's been a security guard for 20 years after the layoff.

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 20 points21 points  (11 children)

As a Black male I'd be pretty pissed if I was only hired to be a token and do nothing because they see me as that incompetent.

[–]redreckbestia 14 points15 points  (4 children)

As a fellow black guy, I'd quit. Fuck that jazz, I didn't go through 7 years of schooling in science(biochem in my case) to sit on my ass and read. Even sitting on my ass at my part time sales job fucking grinds my gears.

[–]1OneRedYear 6 points7 points  (1 child)

black guy here who lost my job in great recessn and taught myself A new skill set to get a better job, I wold be insulted and bored out of my mind. I'd have to quit or at least use the time to launch my own business.

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep if I was a token employee told to do nothing I'd use the time to work on my business skills, network with coworkers, and improve my skills to help me launch a business. The token job can just be used to help fund it.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You went to school for 7 years of biochem and you have a part time sales job? Are jobs in your field very hard to get?

[–]redreckbestia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't begun searching yet because I'm still working at my masters. It'll seven years after I finish that. All I've got left is a thesis.

[–]Spidertech500 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I wonder if you could get another job at the same time and work and get paid for both? Either way that sounds aggravating but your presence is financially valuable, take your pick

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd just whip out my laptop and try to develop some website, app or game to sell while at work.

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[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I know when I'm doing things in my personal life I try not to risk using a diversity hire buy avoiding them all together."

Likewise. I would tend to avoid a URM or maybe even a female if hiring a professional, because they may have had big benefit from affirmative action. Therefore one has less assurance of their competence.

One could say it's unfair to the competent women and URM, but I am just reacting to a statistically valid inference I can make. If they don't want me to make that inference they should be demanding that their affirmative action programs be ended. Then in a generation I will draw a different inference.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's better than not being hired at all if you're incompetent.

On the other hand, if you're competent, they are probably happy to give you real work. I'd assume this guy wasn't, or he didn't even want to try to show he could do something.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be more likely they'd give the job to a Black woman.

Racism, or at least, afrophobia hits men harder. Think about the many bigoted stereotypes about Black men in particular, what's the worse the women get? "Sassy".

Besides, hiring a Black women would allow them to tick two diversity boxes

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man I wish I could get one of those positions...

I could learn so many skills in 10 years of structured paid 8h/day time...

[–]a_nus 10 points11 points  (1 child)

To get an interview with a "big 4" tech company as a dude, you need credentials. A really good GPA, challenging classes on your resume, personal projects, etc.

From what saw with my female classmates though, all they had to do was attend one of those "women in tech" events and mingle around with the recruiters.

Source: I busted my ass to get interviews and offers with top tech companies while I watched my female classmates (most of which don't even like engineering) receive the same benefits solely from having a vagina.

[–]4delicioustreats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cross dress and identify as a women. Then you'll be super diversity.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I FOR ONE, WELCOME OUR CHINESE OVERLORDS

But in all seriousness, I believe this hiring frenzy is to counter act the notion of "old white men" are the gate keepers to pomp and circumstance when it comes to what gets some respect in academia.

If they are slowly replaced (think 10-15 years from now most of the PhD text book writers are women 2:1) then it can be said that we have "advanced" because we can now "prove" objectively that we have a lot of women in STEM.

What could go wrong?

[–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Prepare for waves of Rogue STEM scholars.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were saying the same stuff 30 years ago.

[–]kinklianekoff 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This week we had an interesting "call to arms" about this subject in Norway.

The usual trope of women earning less than men was emphasized through the tongue-in-cheek headline of "women can stop working now, as they have worked their worth already this year".

Ok, I thought, same old shit repeated with a new slogan. But no, they actually had the reason clearly understood. Men choose private sector, stem, etc and women choose public sector, softer occupations. What they wanted, and this is no joke, was to even out the pay between public sector and private sector so women get equal pay.

I agree to the point that public sector work has to be decided politically as there is no competition and strike has less effect as the employer is not losing money. They may also be too little valutated. However, how can you justify targetting women specific jobs for higher pay when the better paying jobs is decided through the market and unbiased forces. That is so sexist and retarded on so many levels. I did not see any mention of low paying male jobs.

[–]RedSugarPill 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Yep. Experiencing the short end right now. It's tough for men these days. I keep working and producing good scientific work, stuck in a postdoc/lecture position, and the women (and some helpless effeminate men) are getting ushered all the way through permanent, coveted jobs. If you are capable and a man, then you are left to fend for yourself. If you are incapable and a woman, then your adviser will do the work for you and make sure you will find a nice cozy job. If you are capable and a woman, then you are on top of the world. Good luck finding love though..

[–]MochaShakaKhan 7 points7 points [recovered]

Go into data science. http://insightdatascience.com

[–]sir_wankalot_here 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Data science is really big, and getting bigger. But he has to go into consultancy. So when the stunned bitches who get hired for the corporations can't do the job they outsource.

Another tip.Find a niche and be the best you can in that niche. So find a smaller niche. Example

Ruby on rails is a popular platform, that means you have to compete against all the other guys when bidding on contracts. While versus if you learned how to make device drivers for Android this is a very small niche, so you can charge more.

[–]RedSugarPill 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Looks interesting and applicable to my field.. thanks for the tip!

[–]MochaShakaKhan 3 points3 points [recovered]

Yeah – you'll make $120K starting, the field has just started to take off, and now is around the time to get in before everyone else. If you can do insight data science, it'll probably be the best career move you'll ever make.

I suggest you look at this infographic

Check out zipfianacademy.com as well in case you're not able to get into/do insightdatascience.com .

I also pmed you a curriculum you can gloss over. Basically, python or R (with python being preferred) and the data analytics techniques involved will get you started.

[–]RedSugarPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the info! I checked out the curriculum--I already know all that stuff, so I think it's time for me to start a new adventure..

[–]Squeezymypenisy 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Academia is a shithole. Its no better than the federal government yet, they will often criticize government institutions for being to bureaucratic. It's a waste of time. I don't even donate to my alma mater.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Academia IS the government. ==> D.O.E Department of Education

[–]gmflag 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I donate and take part in alumni events because many alum I meet have a lot of powerful connections (graduated from Duke). Being able to take advantage of those connections to now be a board member of one of the regional alumni networks and be connected to some powerful people in the field/industry I pursue is the sole reason I still donate.

I agree though academia is a ultra-progressive shithole for the most part. I am hoping to become big enough so I can have a building named after myself with stipulations for a men's only space in said building.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn nigga you went to Duke? That's such a beautiful campus. I'm jealous.

[–]MortalSisyphus 5 points5 points [recovered]

When does academia criticize the government for being bureaucratic? I can't recall ever seeing that.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Multiple times at my undergrad and higher education institutions. It wasn't professors. It was the counselors, deans, and other positions ironically commenting on it.

[–]rea1l1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can recall at least four professors speaking of bureaucratic mess behind the scenes, 'no one caring about the students' and/or plain corrupt practices. One professor told me a story about another professor who refused to give A's to women unless they slept with him, which some apparently did.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 7 points7 points [recovered]

My brother has a PhD in Philosophy. Not a STEM field, but even this humanity is hard/unappealing to women (logic not feelz).

Apparently only 10% of graduating philosophy PhDs are female. Guess what, several of the universities he's applying to are "actively pursuing gender equality in the work place."

Translation: until we meet a ridiculous quota of 50%(+) female staff, we will take any possible female over the 9 other equal or better male applicants.

Apparently it fucking sucks to be a white male trying to land a tenure professorship now days.

The kicker? He identifies as a feminist. After I rephrased what he said a few times, it was clear he was starting to see something.

He also inadvertently taught me how zealous feminism was at a young age. He dared to take a women's study course and raise questions, only to be personally attacked. That is obviously not mature, academic discourse.

[–]newls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those employers need to make a correction, they're seeking 'equity', what they're doing will never ever be described as 'equality'.

[–]1cover20 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Philosophy, from what I've heard, is very left-wing. You don't get your philosophy paper published by making an argument for capitalism. But redistribution is cool ...

But hasn't he noticed that in all his years in the field? Or am I wrong?

Philosophy is sort of logical, but unlike science it is untethered to reliable observations. So you can spin whatever sort of story you can put together, and for a wide range of stories, nobody can disprove it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Philosophy is the only part of the humanities not dominated by women, it is still very much male-biased. That should tell you something. You may think you can just 'make stuff up', but logic and argument are extremely rigorous. This isn't sociology. If you think otherwise, try Wittgenstein, or a course in symbolic logic.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having been mathematically trained by mathematicians, really being a mathematician myself, I know symbolic logic and its application to philosophy.

[–]PixyStixSnorter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're wrong. Philosophy is the basis of higher-level university study (every hard and social science can be traced to a philosopher), and it is the only humanity that is impossible to cuckold. It is not either wing, but helps learners to understand all of the assumptions that accompany accepting any ideology. It is a field that demands clarity of thought, and American/British philosophy tends to agree with the materialist underpinnings of modern science. Deeper than that, many philosophers of science follow and call out weak and biased scientific research (because yes, you can spin the hell out of even the most "reliable observations"). You might be thinking of the less rigorous Continental philosophy coming out of Europe, but even there, you have a field dominated like men, and figures like Albert Camus who reached a point most Redpillers can only aspire to. It sounds like you just need to get a little more info about the field, so I'll recommend you read (even flip through) Bertrand Russell's "A History of Western Philosophy".

[–]Spidertech500 3 points4 points  (4 children)

So one thing to keep in mind, there's a difference in brain structure between male and female brains. Female brains tend to be more homogenous on the scale and on the bell curve are tighter together. What this means is that there are far fewer retards as females, but also less geniuses. Men are however far more spread out you have a ton of retards, but you also have a ton of geniuses

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not true, there are not more male retards. See my recent post history.

[–]Spidertech500 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I May have missed it through my cursory glance, if you could point me at it. I am of course referring to the bathtub/bell curve for relative intelligences of genders

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't seem to link to a comment without the bot removing it. Here are two links from my comment, anyway

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/sexdifferences.aspx

http://rgambler.com/2014/05/02/why-do-more-students-get-more-first-class-degrees-at-oxford-university-than-female-students/

Both link to papers, but there are others. Also note that the difference may be greater than shown, because of the tendency (policy?) to remove questions that show a marked sex difference during development of tests, such as the Stanford-Binet.

[–]SchrodingersRapist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not just hired but standards will be lowered for their funding options in academic pursuit in STEM as well. Its happened here at the program I am with at least once(that I know of). This girl couldn't even meet the requirements to be accepted but she's getting a full ride for her graduate school. While I surpass all the requirements, get no funding, and beg/borrow/scrape by on whatever outside sources I can apply for. The whole system is bullshit at this point.

[–]4delicioustreats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lowered like the free ride they get from Grace hopper?

[–]evileddy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

feminism has turned into "I'm not over my breakup" on a global scale.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

So hiring women over men 2:1 is not sexist?

Not necessarily. Entry-level, assistant professors are different from bringing in a department head. Also, a professor at Stanford or MIT is of a different calibre than one at, say, Chico State University or CUNY.

almost all of the best scientists and engineers are men

I've made this observation in the past. While there may be more female chemists, the top of the profession is almost entirely male. While the majority of college students are female, the top performers are, by and large, male. While there may be more professional psychologists who are female, naming a world-famous female psychologist is more difficult than a male. Even in traditionally female fields, like cooking, the top chefs are almost 100% male.

Perhaps this will change with time, perhaps it won't, but by the time it does, I will be decomposed into the Earth. And, this I assure you.

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No you won't. Cybernetics will change the game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Cybernetics will change the game.

No, eventually, we'll all die. Whether it happens 50 or 85 years later is immaterial.

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or 500.

But that's not my point. I referred to cybernetics as a tool to change the human beings into, well, cyborgs, tightly integrated with machines, and that will blur the lines between the sexes A LOT.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This post doesn't even make sense

[–]Anderfail 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm not that worried honestly. Most women in engineering rarely stick it out long term because they just don't like the work. A lot of the work that I do is tedious as hell, but requires a huge amount of attention to detail as you go through thousands of lines of data to find errors or to summary 600 pages of regulation. Women hate this shit.

In my experience, a lot of women tend to drop out after about 10 years because they don't have the passion. You can usually figure this out just from the conversations men and women have at the office. Men talk about issues of the job and how to solve them along with the political environment and how it relates to the industry a lot. Sure men talk sports and other bullshit, but it's split about 50/50. Women on the other hand never talk about the business or the industry, it's always pop culture or gossip or tv shit unless a man initiates a conversation about something. The passion just isn't there overall.

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Warning: after 15-20 years total, if you are still doing such technical work, you'll be too old and vulnerable to layoff.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe we as a society should finally face the truth. Most of women just don't like STEM and are completely unable to do it. That's only reason why there are more men in STEM fields and almost all of the best scientists and engineers are men.

Actually, most people in general don't like STEM and suck at it. However, women suck more on average. If 95% of men are bad at it and 99% of women (numbers courtesy of my ass), you can bank on a random person being bad at it. However if you only observe persons who are good at it, men outnumber women 5:1.

[–]Magnum256[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think you hit the nail on the head with this:

When feminists attack science they are attacking very basis of our existence. We are a scientific civilization. That means a civilization in which knowledge and its integrity are crucial. And that's what these SJWs are trying to change.

It's as if they want superiority (not equality) but they don't want to live in a modern, technologically advancing society. They want superiority in a stagnant non-progressive society, which just isn't realistic. Man wants to move forward, we want to advance and solve more problems, and improve the quality of life, and try new things, and I just don't see that agenda being possible in a feminist-driven society because it conflicts directly with how they want the world to be.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course they don't want progress, that's more things they have to learn. That's not faaaaairrr men need to stop advancing and ushering in brand new technological advances!

[–]Infinite_Light 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am pretty shocked the effect isn't larger than 2 times.

[–]robinblue15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Affirmative action is a giant contradiction. Asians have to score 140 points more on the SAT than whites to get into a prestigious private university. Blacks can score 310 points less than whites to get into a prestigious private university.

[–]hiphoprising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think that's crazy, look at the hire rate of a black female engineer. As recruiters, there's a huge bonus to providing candidates like this.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Researchers in a recent study found no sexism in STEM faculty positions as more women are now hired for STEM tenure-track jobs at a 2:1 ratio. "

It's not sexist if it favors the women over the men. Really??

[–]ABC_Florida 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What could go wrong!?

They achieve gender bias.

If women get hired easier, that means that men have to be more qualified than women in this field.

If men are more qualified, they probably will earn more.

There will be a "pay-gap" in STEM.

Some will complain about "pay-gap".

Men will realize that they are disadvantaged because they aren't the ones complaining left and right. They will vote with their feet going to other countries.

Some women will complain: Where are all the good men gone?

These women aren't to blame for everything of course. :S

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cultural Marxism leading the way.

It's time to get government money out of all religious ideology. If teachers can't teach Christianity in public school, why are they allowed to peddle the religious myth about 'wage gaps' and 'privilege'. The whole SJW movement is entirely based on presumptions and faith.

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[–]psycho_sid 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I haven't seen this happen at work. We're in bleeding edge tech nodes (think 10n microchips) and between three work sites I believe there are 5 women for about 60 people in our group, none of which are in our office. Whenever we hire we always hope that a woman will be qualified for the job since it's a sausage fest at work. My boss is sort of a white knight and has bought into a lot of feminist crap but still hires only the more qualified candidates.

[–]a_nus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whenever we hire we always hope that a woman will be qualified for the job since it's a sausage fest at work

That's part of the mentality that sets the bar lower for women and allows them to get the job easier.

[–]IndyBrodaSolo[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

My boss is sort of a white knight and has bought into a lot of feminist crap but still hires only the more qualified candidates.

He might be sort of a white knight by traditional standard but the mere fact that he still hires only the more qualified candidates basically makes him RedPillMan in today's feminized society.

[–]psycho_sid 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's probably the only redpill quality he's got. I once mentioned that feminism today is toxic and he turned werewolf on me frothing at the mouth bringing up rape and pay equality. It was sickening.

[–]leredditaccounts -1 points0 points  (1 child)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/fracking/11949613/Women-dont-understand-fracking-leading-scientist-claims.html

Someone with the inclination should make the above link into a thread on its own. Relevant, I feel

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fracking is a sort of particular case. The drilling companies will not reveal the chemical composition of the fracking fluids. And I have it from experts in the field that to save money, they don't protect the vertical shaft (down to the 7000 or so foot depth where the fracking occurs, and up which the natgas or tight oil comes up) from leaks. So indeed it could get into ground water at 100 - 500 feet. One of these guys just thinks they should spend the little bit of money to do it right, with no leaks. It can definitely be done but it isn't.

Some people semi-educated in science know just enough to believe the official story. Those who don't listen to the official story, and experts who know the problems with the official story, may agree on a different conclusion from what the press says is the "settled science".

[–]Lord_shitmeister -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Any institution that does this will be left behind in terms of research. Most discoveries are man made that's a fact.