Rant/VentingDear Female Imperative: No Means No! (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by vicious_armbar

It’s sad that I have to say this in the year 2015 after all the positive consent propaganda you’ve been spewing. But no means no! I’m not interested in saving you from your bad choices after you’ve graduated/flunked out of your university program, and your parents/big daddy government are no longer bank rolling you. No matter how many times you ask! After we met, banged a few times, and it was obvious that we both wanted more than a one night stand I was very honest with you. I told you: marriage, children, and monogamy were off of the table. All three of those things would negatively affect my happiness and quality of life. After all if I don’t look out for my happiness who will?

You nodded and agreed to my terms. Marriage is an outdated institution you claimed, and you aren’t sure that you want to have children anyway. But almost all of you seem to be running on the same program. Without fail about a year in you start reneging on your promises. You start throwing tantrums when you find out that I’m sleeping with other women, you start demanding that we move in together so we can “have a life together”, you start demanding a timeline for marriage and children.

Here’s the thing. You already had your chance to try and earn my commitment when you were a smoking hot 18 year old sorority girl. But you chased guys in the top 10th percentile of looks and social status instead. Now you’re 25-29 and thinking about settling down. But I wasn’t good enough for you then, so you’re not good enough for me now. I didn’t try to force physical intimacy on you. So stop trying to force emotional intimacy on me. No means no! No you won’t get my commitment! No you won’t get my resources! No I won’t pay to bankroll your baby! No I won’t pay off your student loans! No I won’t subsidize your low wage, low hour, low stress job.

Stop lying to me. Stop trying to weasel out of the agreement we made. Stop slut shaming me, and telling me what I should do with my body. And for gods sake stop trying to bully me down the aisle into a marriage I don’t want! If you don’t like our arrangement then fucking leave! You know where the door is, and there are 10 women just waiting to take your place! Sincerely successful man.

[–][deleted] 209 points210 points  (50 children)


Contrary to blue pill belief, we're not telling women what to do. We're not passing laws. We're not doing shit to them. All we are doing is refusing to participate in their new world order. We're peacefully going about our lives and making ourselves happy. Is a woman rejecting a man telling him never to have sex with anyone ever? No. Are red pillers rejecting the whore wife telling her she can't do as she pleases? No. We just refuse to participate. If her lifestyle and choices aren't sustainable without subsidies then thats not my fault.

[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 101 points102 points  (45 children)

That's the main differences between all ideologies and political activity organized by women and by men. Their concept of freedom, equality, or whatever buzzword they want is just "give me". Ours is "leave me".

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (42 children)

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[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 29 points30 points  (41 children)

It's something I noticed in a certain thread on PPD. A user's argument was that women weren't give the same choices to show off their talents because they were women. But then I asked - why didn't they just make their own universities and colleges? It's not like we forced each and every women to breed - nuns were capable of making progress in science, and they did. Marie Curie was eventually admitted, and so were many of ancient Greek women - despite the Classical views on women. There was Srinivasa, a young Indian sicky polymath who showed his genius during height of British colonialism with just one book.

But to them, prestige and greatness is something that is so common and reachable that it can be freely given. They are unable to understand carving out their name in history from their own, and only their own ability. Female entitlement is something that runs deep to them - and they are quite prone to projecting.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (23 children)

yeah totally.... all-girl universities, companies, etc.

Let them compete on an equal footing. Rather than forcing themselves into our spaces, let them build their own and compete on an equal footing.

Hahaha... can you even imagine what would happen :D

[–]1cover20 29 points30 points  (5 children)

They used to have all-girl colleges. They still have a few of them, but it's very hard to get any girls to go unless they have lesbian tendencies. (Smith, Mt. Holyoke, etc.) Others used to be all-girls (e.g. Vassar) but admitted boys because they couldn't get enough girls otherwise.

All-male colleges would still be going strong except they were FORCED to close. The Ivy League was pretty much forced to admit women, etc. Most recently, Virginia Military Institute I think had to go coed. None of these schools were having trouble getting enough boys to attend as an all-male school, and there's no stigma that a boy is gay if he wants to go to an all-male school. It's normal, but now forbidden.

This is the difference. Women cling to men (and then demand concessions in every sneaky way they can.) Men often just want to be left alone.

Which is more noble? Easy question.

[–]Karmelion 1 point2 points  (4 children)

And then, after colleges and the military are forced to go co-ed, they complain about a rising rape "epidemic". Well, maybe gender segregation had a purpose.

[–]Thursday088 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This might be true if there really was a "rape epidemic," the only epidemic is the perversion of what they believe is rape. Won't be long until an unwanted smile is defined as rape.

[–]Karmelion -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean that's why I put it in quotes. The whole narrative they're building around it is just an attempt to crush masculinity.

Edit: I guess my real point is that if they actually cared about reducing rape they'd be in favor of gender segregation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

rape "epidemic"

That nonsense pisses me off, there is no "rape epidemic" if anything rapes are proabbly down statistically.

It implies that modern westerners are somehow suddenly more violent that they were before which is absolutely absurd. The fact that the media and politicians just fucking claim its real is so fucking frustrating to me.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No need to imagine


As for co-ed, this was one of the biggest disasters to befall our culture. It means that once you have both together, it then gets skewed to favour the female way of learning, and boys and young men are suppressed from showing any masculinity. We are all familiar with the stories of what happens in schools these days, but all the resources going into women in universities, when it is men who take civilization forward, should ring alarm bells, but strangely doesn't.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

all-girl universities, companies

Cant wait for all-female companies. Consultancy will be a big business, selling them solutions they don't need to problems they don't have

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

"Our ERP product has Pintrest, Facebook and Twitter integration so you can share you workday with your friends!" /s

[–]Uptonogood 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That actually sounds like a marketable solution. Just don't know if its feasible depending on the respective's APIs.

[–]DewArmy 6 points6 points [recovered]

For 50k in fees over the course of a year I can guarantee I and my business partner will find a way to make it work with duct tape and prayers.

[–]1rporion 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If you only knew what I actually have made work with duct tape and prayers.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cant wait for all-female companies. Consultancy will be a big business, selling them solutions they don't need to problems they don't have

... but make them feel good about being women running an all female company. At least for as long as they're afloat.

[–]momomotorboat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

heir concept of freedom, equality, or whatever buzzword they want is just "give me". Ours is "leave me".

Wow. Such a great way to put it. Whenever I hear women bitch, it's always "why can't I HAVE these things? Don't I DESERVE it???" They fail to see that the implication is that they want those things to be given to them. Most men just want you to get out of their way.

[–]TheSouthernCross 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For feminists, "freedom" and "rights" are all about taking from others to make themselves happy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nailed it.

When I unplugged I musta been called controlling a dozen times.

True and false. I am controlling over who I allow in my life, that's it.

You can meet my standards or I will find someone who will.

[–]Unexpected_Artist 3 points3 points [recovered]

I wonder how society might handle this in the long run?

Will they force men to marry women once they have sex? Doc our wages (even more)?

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats the diffrence man. these are our beliefs. it really has nothing to do with the girl.

I always loved the train analogy. you are the platform the train is life.

she can either get off at your station or she can keep on going bye. the next train will being a lot more girls onto your platform man. it's a question fo when not if.

[–]Fafner2 79 points80 points  (12 children)

But I wasn’t good enough for you then, so you’re not good enough for me now.

The hard truth is that this doesn't matter. For every self-respecting guy like you who rejects a wall-approaching, former-CC whore, there are 1000 betas willing to lick the feet of and put a ring on this woman.

[–]snow_jacket 62 points63 points  (4 children)

Yeah but she'll never be happy with one of those guys and you can tell her that when she starts to demand things from you. Tell her, "go date one of those guys but try not to vomit when he touches you".

[–]1cover20 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Sheesh now that is immature.

Just ignore her, say no, wish her all the best, etc. And it'll probably drive her nuts that none of those reactions is emotional, but she can't complain about them either, even to her girlfriends.

Correct behavior can be a very powerful habit. Even a chick magnet.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Correct behavior can be a very powerful habit. Even a chick magnet.

Truth. An ex dumped me and we tried to stay friendly for a short spell (BP nonsense). Thankfully, this period didn't last. At one point, after having not spoken to her for 6 months, she calls me and asks how I'm doing and more importantly "why I haven't called."

I said "I want what's best for you. I'm your biggest fan, but I don't want front row seats or backstage passes."

Basically, I assumed that she was doing well for herself no matter what, but I didn't want any details positive or negative. In hindsight, the analogy was heavyhanded, but it's what came out. Found out months later from a mutual friend that she won't stop talking about me.

EDIT: Grammar.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beautiful. I guess a bit of overacting is OK with women, esp. because they usually don't know what to think and are taking their cue from you. So you can tell them.

[–]laere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen a lot of these women where I work. I can see it in their soulless eyes.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Which is good for us in that her draining him economically stimulates the economy and creates a market for us to sell our stuff.

Not the best of all possible worlds, but things work out.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Just imagine how much better the economy would be if we didn't have to make useless shit though. Like Louis Vitton handbags and other crap.

[–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You don't have to buy them and give so much money away. Just go to Canal St. in NYC or one of the other knockoff havens and get what you like without paying the insane licensing markup.

It's out in the open and the cops do nothing about it. Don't ask me why, but there it is.

[–]mate96 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Women don't buy for good aesthetics or performance, they buy for bragging rights. The licensing markup of 1000% is a badge of honour for them.

[–]toalysium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a key, and oft overlooked, truth. Women care far more about how they are perceived by other women than they do about objective reality. Men will make decisions in most things based primarily on the reality of the situation.

Women will buy gold plated turds simply to brag about the fact that they can to other women. Men don't do this because another man will call you a retard for buying a gold plated turd. And it's the same with relationships. Any number of women will happily marry a rich but abusive idiot. A rational* man won't marry a gorgeous slut, regardless of how well she can suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch.

*Strong emphasis on rational.

[–]Rasalom72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because it's not a forgery.... it's not an exact replica, and they are not selling it as an original. It's an homage to the original. So the logo will be slightly different, or it won't be Rebok shoes, it would be Rebak shoes...

[–]evileddy 185 points186 points  (45 children)

Just because we have sex, doesn't mean you are entitled to my resources and attention, ladies.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 76 points77 points  (43 children)

But the law says you are if she ends up knocked up as a result... Including but not limited to retrieving used condoms out of the garbage or sucking your dick and not swallowing and using that sperm she spit out to hook you for child support for 18 years.

[–]cariboo_j 53 points54 points  (7 children)

Fucked up, but true. And they say it's women who lack reproductive rights...

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 24 points25 points  (6 children)

The real fucked up thing is that 'blowjob baby' was the result of a female doctor giving a male doctor a blow job and he has to pay child support because she took away his reproductive choice (he didn't stick it in her pussy apparently)

[–]TurgidMeatWand 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Sounds like men need to start snowballing if they want to protect themselves.

[–]1DetectiveDing-Daaahh 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Shit. Can you imagine finding out how you were really conceived? That would fuck with me my whole life.

[–]Fafner2 27 points28 points  (1 child)

"You were part of a load that was meant to be swallowed, son."

[–]clitbeastwood 16 points17 points  (0 children)

my friends dad used to to tell him "the better part of you dripped down the side of your mothers leg".

[–]hirjd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Baby from a blowjob? That's human experimentation. And she's still a doctor????

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points  (20 children)

She is welcome to try all of those with me, hell I'll just bust a nut inside her and wait. If she comes up pregnant, it isn't mine. Have fun with whomever knocked you up, because it sure as fuck wasn't me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 19 points20 points  (15 children)

Hahaha... Yep, I wish we'd see more red pill porn stories like the Step Dad who said fuck this shit after being ready to pay for his stepdaughters wedding and biodad comes in and steals all the glory or the dude who had a vasectomy and strung the bitch along then was like 'I know it's not mine because I had a vasectomy bitch'.

I suspect as TRP becomes more commonplace we'll hear more stories like that though.

[–]redzorp 6 points7 points  (12 children)

But interestingly, in countries like France, the guy who had the vasectomy would STILL have to support the child if he was married to or living with the woman in question!

Just a matter of time before the rest of the West follows suit. So bust your vasectomized nuts while the gettins' good!

[–]1cover20 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Not sure France will continue to trend that direction. France is becoming overrun with Muslims. And Muslims have an entirely different, patriarchal system.

[–]Spidertech500 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Oh man, these SJW,S and liberals are going to shit themselves

[–]Manmore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's very interesting to watch them assess where in the opression hierarchy you belong, and the resulting hamstering.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter; betas everywhere.

[–]SlowWing -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

France is becoming overrun with Muslims. And Muslims have an entirely different, patriarchal system.

Lay off the pipe man, no such thing is happening.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You're the delusional one if you think it's not happening.

[–]SlowWing 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not really no, I live here I can tell.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Anecdotal evidence > statistics, yes? You live in the entirety of France at the same time?

[–]lestratege 4 points5 points  (1 child)

People misunderstand the position of french law regarding paternity. It's still the OLD-FASHIONED patriarchal law which says the husband is the father no matter what. The appearance of paternity tests has completely disrupted this legal framework and judges are still vainly trying to enforce it despite science. The flip side is that if you're not married, you can not be assigned paternity unless you are sued and a judge orders a paternity test which you can still refuse to take.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's still the OLD-FASHIONED patriarchal law which says the husband is the father no matter what.

There is no such thing as patriarchal law. It's theoretically possible, but it doesn't exist.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

whoa i never heard the first one, do u have it somewhere?!

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's one of TRP's top posts of all time.

[–]PanzerBatallion 1 point2 points  (3 children)

1 in 1000 vasectomies reconnect. And you don't know until you've got a kid.

I asked my doctor when I got mine. He said he had a guy come back after 15 years and 2 zeroed out sperm counts with a baby that was his.

There aren't any guarantees in life.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The way the VA surgeon did mine, it's not going to reconnect. He cauterized it to both ends, completely removing the passages, not just cutting them. They don't want to do it again, and they're borderline harrasing about "are you sure" right up until they burn the stuff to seal the openings.

Sure life finds a way, good luck life.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was awake and joking with the nurses. Had five somewhat attractive older nurses handling my junk that day, including shaving me. Thankfully they weren't attractive 20 something girls, stipulated had a tent pole from all the attention.

The veterans administration did mine, I have unlimited medical due to service connected injuries thanks to desert wars.

[–]bryanlharris 5 points5 points [recovered]

Those scenarios are pretty horrifying.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Very... especially when the judge basically said when he busted his nut in her mouth that he was giving her his sperm as a 'gift' to do what she wanted with...

Of course that's the sort of bizzaro world mental hamster gymnastics that family court judges have to do so the state doesn't end up on the hook for a woman's bad decisions because as we all know that would bankrupt any country.

[–]2Overkillengine 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The sad part is it only delays the inevitable results of not holding everyone individually responsible for their bullshit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The state is only intereste din holding men individually responsible. Women get the pussypass.

[–]1RPAlternate42 4 points5 points  (1 child)


Also, Definition of "gift"

a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.

If the argument was that he had "sex" with her and the expectation there is that sperm in a woman makes babies, Planned Parenthood Would disagree.

Not to mention that the NHS Rouindly rejects the idea of pregnancy through oral sex.

Sure, an expectation of possible babies may come fromunprotected vaginal sex... but no babies can ever come from oral sex.

I wonder if his attorney argued that she defrauded his client by changing the terms of the sexual encounter. She gave him oral sex as prima fascia evidence of consent to non-conceptive sexual contact. She later reneged on this consent to impregnate herself with the sperm.

If the sperm was a "gift," and she can do whatever she wants with it and make him pay... how come he can't cum in her mouth and force her to make a baby with it...

Why? Because that would be a fucking bonkers discussion.

I swear to god family courts have gone to plaid.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God I'd love to see a lawyer make that argument it would almost be worth all the legal fees.

[–]jlablah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The trick is to play with fire and not get burned.

[–]WiiWynn 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Wait. What? I'm new to this sub. Any instances/articles you know of this happening? This is pretty fucked up.

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[–]WiiWynn 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Sucks for that guy. But it looks like it was the state of Kansas that was pushing this. So they can get out of child assistance. And why the hell did a couple of lesbians want a child only to find out they couldn't afford one?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This isn't the first case. There was one from Denmark where someone track down the donor at a clinic who was "anonymous" and was forced to pay for a turkey baster baby

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fucked up... if you're doing stuff at a clinic with a doctor you shouldn't be on the hook for anything.

Even the law should realize that it's stupid to do this because when your birth rate isn't even at the population replacement level of 2.1% it's just going to make men who would donate sperm to not do it.

I wonder if you could sue an egg donor for child support though that would be funny.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does it not make sense? Lezbos want to have kids too. So they go the cheap route (turkey baster donation from a friend). So the law sticks him with the bill because they didn't get a doctor who was licensed to do such procedures involved (which would have been expensive).

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that instance was done without the assistance of a medical professional. This is why you always make sure you get everything in writing, use a professional service and ensure it's legally above board by consulting a lawyer before you make any moves regarding procreation of a non-standard variety. If you can't afford any of those steps then you can't afford what the court will ding you for child support.

[–]grewapair 54 points55 points  (15 children)

Most of my friends are betas who caved and married someone around 32, who promptly quit their minimum wage job and just leeched.

The sad part is, when I see them together, the disrespect just oozes right out of the woman. She just married him because better options weren't available and the biological clock was just about up.

No doubt they'll all be divorce raped once the kids are grown and she no longer needs his time in addition to his money.

The guys finally got validated by a woman, so they are happy as clams running around trying to please her and getting nothing in return. Whatever floats their boats.

As for me, 99 percent of the women who come on to me who are over 30 have one thing in common: they're broke. Just millions of them floating around looking to latch onto a successful guy. Makes it hard to get too excited when one shows an interest: I know with a little digging, I'll find out they are broke too and the real reason for their interest will unveil itself.

[–]tekn0_ 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I had a girl who had expressed interest in me literally ask me to pay her for telling me the daily weather service. 30+ years. Arts major. Fits the mould.

[–]1cover20 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Did you tell her that her rate was uncompetitive with accuweather.com's free service?

[–]redestofthereds 8 points9 points  (2 children)

What kind of digging do you do? This worries me because I'm 31.I'm thinking about getting a Beamer or a Silverado since its more low key.

[–]grewapair 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I went through the flash the cash phase. You get more women, but the women just resist and resist having sex with you. They will TAKE from you if you look like an easy mark, but they aren't giving you shit. If they were men, they'd be con artists, but because they are women, it's easier to con YOU.

How can you tell if they're broke? Compare their lifestyle with an estimated salary from their job and listen for signs of periods of unemployment, which rapidly deplete cash. You won't be too far off.

[–]Spidertech500 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That depends, are you a dapper man or does status not matter

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ugh, I see this behavior in an acquaintance of mine, his wife left him and for about a year he was living a pretty RP lifestyle adding notches left and right.

Now, he's oneitis over some girl again, to the point of buying her furniture, electronics and even a car. This is going to be a repeat of his last experience...

[–]ZioFascist 2 points3 points  (6 children)

its amazing how stupid most women are. complete children with no foresight into the future

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Now that you have TRP knowledge it's kinda scary thinking manipulative, emotionally messed up women are raising children.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

most people honestly, after all these women are leaching off of some dumbass guy who puts them on a pedestal.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I agree, but that sense of entitlement doesn't come without its cost to others. If women were just entitled and couldn't find someone to exploit they would quickly stop being entitled.

Women exploit men, and badly; men continue to allow women to behave like children so they have no reason to change. It's basically the same as a parent who can't tell their child no and follow through on a simple punishment. Men just need to hold their ground. Parents need to too. Poor parenting plays a huge role in female entitlement.

[–]Nespos 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Women are abundantly confident about their ability to "bring you around" or "change your mind." Rest assured that no woman hears you lay down these ground rules and then still goes along for the ride unless she's convinced that you'll change your ways for her down the road. She's not agreeing with you, she's appeasing you.

[–]2Overkillengine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They always want to believe they can fix a man, just like how some poor bluepilled schlub thinks that if he just tries (prostrates/beg/buy/etc) hard enough, a woman will love him back.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Just because I'm dressed a certain way doesn't mean I'm asking for it. Yeah, I might be wearing a tailored suit with expensive shoes and driving a late-model luxury sedan, but that doesn't mean I consent to a monogamous relationship with you.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (5 children)

I've learned in overhearing certain things women say, that they don't consider us people at all.

That sounds rash. I know. Consider this ; what is your reaction when an appliance like your washing machine or cell phone fails?

"Ah crap, why won't this thing do what I want. The manual said it would work this way, but its freaking broken! "

This is the core feeling women have to the OP . See , us men are just sperm delivery and cash dispesary appliances to them. Some of us , like different smartphones , can do different things . But at the end of the day we are considered a disposable accessory to toss into their purses. A man who doesn't wife up a woman is like an iPhone with a busted power button to them.

They treat us like human beings occasionally, but no man gets promoted to Full Human. She has as much concern for any man as I might the case for my smartphone.As soon as she finds a better model on an "upgrade".... see ya.

We can't negotiate with Hypergamy any more then we can negotiate with gravity. They have their directives, and we have ours.

Ive adopted Neil MacCauley's motto of " Allow no woman in your life you can't walk on in 30 seconds flat if you spot the heat (baby rabies, STDs, excessive drama, attempts to lock you down etc) around the corner". With the way the laws are nowadays, a prison term for bank robbery isn't much shorter then a typical child support order......

[–]1cover20 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Women treat each other as objects too. It's just how they treat people generally.

[–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (1 child)

And they are the primary ones to initiate complaints about Objectification.

Coincidence? I think not.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They complain about any clueful behavior they see from men. They want men to be beta or gamma, and they'll shame to get that. Otherwise they raise a stink -- or not because they're insanely attracted. :)

[–]scarletspider3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course they don't that's why when you hear them talk they always say something about what they want a man to do for them.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but no man gets promoted to Full Human

Who cares? I treat everything as transactional myself. Or at least everything has a transactional component.

I consider what value women bring to me the same way they consider what value I bring them.

It's freeing to fully embrace that mentality for both parties. See the economics of the dynamic yourself and love it.

I respect when they see things transactionally, because I know they're close to my level of how I see the world. It's refreshing.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Women just nod like a toddler when you explain your conditions.

"You can only drive the go-cart for a test drive Timmy, are you okay with that?" Timmy: Yes yes yes of course just for a second! ... Then after a while...

"But daddy I want the go-cart it is so much fun!" "Noo Timmy, we agreed you were only allowed a test drive." "I don't fucking care! GIVE ME THE CAR DADDY!!!!"

Women are the same, they will nod to whatever bullshit you tell them because they don't care. They feel entitled to whatever they want and figure them 'wanting' something is the only condition for them receiving it.

Go try it, tell a woman she can't get shit from you after banging her for a while. She'll throw her feelings out there as a ransom, you would hurt her if you didn't give it to her. Just like a spoiled child would take you hostage for some toy.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 26 points27 points  (16 children)

We're all stuck in the same trap.

Marriage 1.0 gave ownership of everything to men and it was considered "final" so divorce was not generally possible. Under those circumstances a man is more inclined to marry because the contract is written in his favor. Families were very successful under the old contract. (95% success rate in the 1800's)

Marriage 2.0 is just a complete ripoff. Women can divorce the moment they lose their gay feelings (originally meant "high spirits" or happiness) and they can then walk away with cash prizes and the man faces slavery and possible jail time if he can't pay the divorce rape fees.

So woman have a contract that "in theory" gives them everything... but this makes men (who get screwed) less likely to marry and become "guided" towards the cads life of promiscuity.

No one likes this situation... women ride the Cock Carousel because their feminist friends say it's no big deal, but they are wasting their best years in doing it.

It's bad all around.


Until we all break these progressive myths (equality, blank slate, etc) we have to live under them.

Myths are emotionally maintained and emotionally destroyed. Never try to reason with a person who lives their life based on myth because only emotion can make changes in them. Dread Game is an example.

We live in a world where you must be willing to injure emotions to destroy myth.

Just say "No".


[–]vicious_armbar[S] -1 points0 points  (15 children)

I don't know if I agree that the old system is better. Could you imagine only having one vagina for the rest of your life?! What a horrible existence!

[–]redzorp 10 points11 points  (1 child)

There are no perfect systems. But the old system was indeed better. Most men of any means either had mistresses on the side or banged away at legal cat houses well into the early 20th century, while maintaining a wife and kids at home.

Around the time women got the vote, everything started to go to shit for men (and human civilization). We have been on a downward trend every since and still have a ways to go before we hit rock bottom and everything just implodes.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Have you ever had sex?

I like to go dancing at festivals and I've danced with literally hundreds of women over the years. This is the folk dancing type dancing where you actually connect physically with your partner. Anyway... after dancing with hundreds of women you develop a kind of "sixth sense" about the nature of the woman you are dancing with. You can know if she is a good lay based on the dance with her.

Some women are like tomboys... they just can't follow because they want to lead. They are lousy in bed from day one and generally don't improve.

Others are complete followers. They become boring because they simply ride you like a boy toy and it's like an entitlement for them. This women would just lay there in bed.

The best women respond to you with slight resistance which means they fight a little but gently submit to your dominance. This is the one you would choose to marry (in the old days) because she was the most intelligent.

The modern day beta-Chad is fixated on consumer thoughts. The thinking is that you have lot's and lot's of low quality material things or sexual acts.

The older view was to select the highest quality mate and then celebrate that quality to it's fullest.

R-selection and k-selection are about differences in quality.

The modern era is low quality, but high volume.


[–]Dickwad 7 points8 points  (2 children)

That's all well and good for you but for those of us who don't live in butt-fuck nowhere and do folk dancing with hundreds of farm girls, guess what we have to do to find those 'high quality' girls. Quantity comes first, then quality. Kidding aside though, your comment made me reflect and reconsider my goals.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are few to no quality women these days.

I'm being historical... quality was once important and women did actually attempt to better themselves, but I'm not suggesting that's coming back.

Marriage laws need to be changed.

But our Oligarch rulers (the top 0.5%) are driven by profit to destroy the family in order to make cheaper and more pathetic beta slaves for their businesses. The Blue Pill is our emotional indoctrination machinery that was built up over generations to feed this drive towards a global monetary system.

We are just "tools".

Marriage which gave men power was a threat to control. Weak beta men are easier to control that strong men who had families. So this process of destroying the family is driven by a centralization towards Oligarch rule.

Don't hold your breathe for the old powers in marriage to return.

Men have less power today.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but for those of us who don't live in butt-fuck nowhere and do folk dancing with hundreds of farm girls


He's so trying so hard to, but all I hear is NAWALT and bullshit about how the past was great. Women's intentions may have been better hidden then.. and socio-economic ties certainly kept them more in check. But a girls gonna do what a girls gonna do.

[–]1cover20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's OK if your genetic children came from that vagina.

[–]Capt-n 6 points7 points  (5 children)

According to J. D. Unwin's 'sex and culture' absolute monogamy is what makes a civilization most productive. So less women to sleep with but kick ass country being Alpha as hell like Rome and Greece in their times.

[–]vicious_armbar[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Rome and Greece both had legalized prostitution, and men having sex with their female slaves was legal and common. Monogamy was almost unheard of for free male citizens.

[–]Capt-n 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Is that true for early Roman History though? Muirhead says ' much contemptuous denunciation of the looseness of the matrimonial relations of the lower order, sanctioned by no auspices, and hallowed by no sacrifice, and much declamation, more or less sincere, about the divinity of the commonwealth, that the patricians accepted the motion.' The patricians placed a very high value on marriage and were disturbed by plebeian's loose terms of marriage. Unwin claims the patricians were the most 'productive' group at the time. I was under the impression that prostitution became legal later on where we see the general decline of the initial Roman Values and the 12 tablets. But I'm no Roman historian so if you know otherwise I would be interested to see.

And as for the Greeks I was under the impression again that during the early history that wasn't the case. Prostitution became legal as foreigners became settling in Greece. Even then Greek girls were barely allowed to leave the house. So I thought the consensus was that there was very little Prostitution in the early Greek history.

EDIT: Added the part about the greeks.

[–]vicious_armbar[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I don't know the specifics about the timelines. I just remember from history class that both Rome and Greece had prostitution, and that it was an accepted part of public life. When I toured roman ruins the guide pointed out the whore houses.

[–]Capt-n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely true about the whore houses later on yes. I find a lot of the conclusions in Unwin's book very interesting. You should try and give it a read. It's free online. The wiki page on it is here As a sociologist, anthropologist and a historian, in his life work, he comes to the conclusion that for the society to be most productive it must be absolutely monogamous. Tough conclusion but if it's true it's worth considering.

[–]nia_kills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha close minded fool. Guys always had sidechicks. Its just less easy to manage now i guess

[–]look_good 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Hamsters are ruthless in shaming those who are happier than them.

[–]Dustin_Bromain 19 points20 points  (9 children)

I refuse to be Beta ever again. It's either the Red Pill or MGTOW for me.

[–]lookitsmeyay 11 points12 points  (5 children)

This was so well written. Bravo.

Everyone should be mindful of the desires of other people. Whether they want marriage, kids, a relationship, whatever is their business. Changing somebody to fit you is pathetic.

The goal is to find someone that is what you want, not to find someone happy with their lives and make them miserable so you can be happy.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Everyone should be mindful of the value they bring to others that entices others to adapt to their lifestyle. I don't have a problem adapting to get value out of someone but feminist whores aren't willing to provide it. The idea is that their mere existence should be sufficient to make me go for it.

The men's rights movement is a serious problem for feminists because feminist rhetoric is that we're supposed to compensate women for value that they do provide but are oppressed out of being repaid. Supposedly, the patriarchy is at their burden and men are responsible for making sure not to jip women. The MRM lets men all over the world know that they haven't been receiving the value and that fucks with feminism.

The red pill is the next radical step. Not only do we tell men that they haven't been receiving that value, but we tell them that they have nothing to repay and that they shouldn't be with a woman unless a woman repays what the red piller provides. Feminists don't want to be burdened with the responsibility of doing something. Saying that women ought to do something to be worth giving value to is to say that they're mere existence isn't that valuable and that's the closest thing to hatred that women feel.

[–]lookitsmeyay 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My comment was a bit simplified, but obviously you shouldn't expect your perfect person/people to admire you if you have nothing to offer. Adapting to one's lifestyle is possible in certain areas, but not in others, and this differs depending on the personality of said people. For example, you can't be with someone that wants children if you don't. Ultimately, they envision their lives revolving around this shit machine, and no matter how compatible you are with them or they with you, you simply cannot force them to give up this desire. But if it's something like they're an environmentalist and you decide to recycle to make them happy, it's doable. It's case by case.

Many feminists believe women should be admired just for existing because they ARE admired just for existing. This is the norm, and society likes to follow the norm. It's easy. Everyone is raised on it, everyone knows how it works. Just like getting married. Just like having kids. Just like buying a white picket fence that surrounds a house you put all your savings into. It's difficult to convince people they should strive to improve themselves when they've been spoon-fed the idea that they are perfect and the perfect person will come along and love them. All they have to do is wait and enjoy themselves until then.

Ultimately, self-improvement starts with the idea that you are flawed, and if you are told you're perfect your whole life you will not accept this. Many women AND men are in denial, believing that as long as they fulfill their "roles" (women as baby makers and men as banks) they will be happy and accepted. The problem is not with feminists or red pillers or any group in general, the problem is with society and its narrative.

[–]1cover20 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Women aren't looking for flawless men. They get all hot for men with enormous flaws.

I'd look for one or two tricks to attract women, rather than trying to work on all one's flaws to become a better man. It's fine to become a better man, but don't do it for a woman. Ideally get a woman or three, then become a better man just because you want to.

[–]lookitsmeyay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It depends. Flawless men are intimidating and it's difficult for some women to feel at ease with someone that they see as "perfect." However, there are other women that would find a flawless man appealing and consider them a challenge. Different strokes for different folks. When I explained people looking for the perfect person, I meant perfect for them, not perfect in general. Perfection is an ideal, a figment of the imagination.

I'm not too focused on attracting anyone right now. I'd much rather learn cool tricks just for myself and to make others happy at large events, but at the same time I do want to address all my shortcomings because I want to be the best I can be. If I find someone whose company I enjoy, that's cool. If I don't, that's cool too. Casual sex is not my thing.

[–]Profdiddy 8 points8 points [recovered]

Before I swallowed the bitter pill, the gaze of a beautiful woman gave me a thrill, a boost to my low self esteem. As I move forward, I see IOIs as the tracking gaze of a predator, the cum soaked post wall hags of the cock carousel looking for game to bring home to their bastards.

[–]3savoryprunes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When "thrill" rhymed with "pill" I thought I was reading the first line of a poem. Your words have a certain poetry nonetheless, and I believe a little rephrasing and a touch more rhyme would make an artful poem. Please consider. "Predator," "cum-soaked" and "bastards" are anchor points that must stay.

[–]bobby8u 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Two gin martini's will get the truth out of them.

[–]fakenate1 14 points15 points  (24 children)

I'm new to this scene. But isn't saying "you had your chance with me when you were 18" kinda lame? You were not the man you are today that you were when you were 18, right? You've improved yourself. You were probably really lame at 18. (Especially if you weren't banging this Chick back then)

[–]Uptonogood 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Sure, he's more successful now. And her? What does she have now that is a better offer than her younger self back then?

Isn't the women who say you should love someone for whats inside? In my case, I'm effectively the same person inside I was back then, so why the attention now other than blatant hypocrisy?

[–]1cover20 18 points19 points  (17 children)

Actually he's not talking to this woman in particular whom he didn't even know at 18, but to a class of women in general.

He would commit to the 18 year old version of this girl. She should have committed to someone like him then.

It makes a sort of logical sense of describing strategies in the battle of the sexes. If you just like him to say he doesn't want to commit to her in the current circumstances, fine and ignore the rest.

Look at it this way, and it's not bitter.

[–]vicious_armbar[S] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Actually he's not talking to this woman in particular whom he didn't even know at 18, but to a class of women in general. He would commit to the 18 year old version of this girl. She should have committed to someone like him then.

Nailed it. If a woman wants to try to earn my commitment then she needs to do it at the peak of her beauty and femininity. Not after she's rode dozens of fraternity cocks, and decides she's ready to "settle down". Also I'm not bitter. I'm just tired of women agreeing to my terms, and then trying to go back on our agreement later on.

[–]fakenate1 2 points3 points  (9 children)

If you are honest with your self, did you pop the red pill when you were 18?

I know I was not committed to lifting or stoicism as I am today when I was 18. I was a giant pussy then. Any woman that would commit to my 18 year old self wouldn't be worth my time today at 33.

I would really pity the woman (today) that would have committed to me when I was age 18.

[–]1cover20 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Not when you were 18. When she was 18!

Younger woman / older guy is very natural, the mutual attraction is strongest, and it fits with the idea that the woman's fertility ends at an earlier age than the man's.

[–]fakenate1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aha! Now I understand the point. Thank you.

[–]3savoryprunes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the woman's fertility ends at an earlier age than a man's

Indeed! Men can father children until the day they die, sometimes well into their nineties!


[–]AllanDT 3 points4 points  (3 children)

He sounds incredibly bitter to me

[–]3savoryprunes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His bitterness is irrelevant. He's making a rational decision nonetheless.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were probably really lame at 18.

Perhaps not though.

Young women are incredibly hypergamous.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"You didn't want me then, so hon, don't want me now" - A tribe called quest, Butter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwvoxxtkM_M )

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Too verbose. Just NEXT her; too much talking is a waste of life.

P.S.: Make sure you get fixed (vasectomy) and don't tell anyone, and you wrap it (use condoms) for STDs.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good rant. There are a lot of negative comments which do have a grain of truth to them. If this is the way you talk in real life then you need to fix that. But if this is just a little steam you let out then good rant. All on point.

[–]scarletspider3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women always like to say that they don't owe a man nothing. Well guess what, we don't owe them nothing either. You don't have to pick her up anywhere, you don't have to take them somewhere nice, and you definitely don't have to help them with their problems. You don't owe her your commitment or resources and when your SMV goes up you have every right to reward yourself with hotter women.

[–]vanhagen 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Absolutely! When women start demanding marriage, children, commitment, moving in.... its time to drop kick their ass through the uprights. Just move on to the next woman who will give you what you want (sex) and not complain about it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Lurking for a short while but had to reply to this post. This does raise a good point that is seen very often. Women agree to dating or casual relationship. Perhaps at times they change their mind but I found in my past and with friends that some will lie or sugar coat how they feel in hopes that in time the sex and controlling the situation will sway men.

In this age women tell men that we need to be clear and honest on on our wants because they will respect it more and yes, some also want a fwb arrangement or whatever. If men can do that, then by god women need to be more honest with themselves and men, and I agree with the OP, no means no, it doesn't mean ask again or try more sex acts or make promises, push harder, it means no.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men should be clear and honest, unless they are in a relationship and the woman cheated and thinks he still doesn't know. Then the man can proceed quietly as he sees best, since he is entitled to secrets too in this case, and wait to blow up the relationship when it best suits them.

[–]3savoryprunes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for bringing up the "no means no" counterpoint. I don't know why the other commenters missed the significance of this. It's only the keystone of his entire rant.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just make sure that your "No means no!" doesn't turn into her "He raped me!"

[–]WiiWynn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, is this figurative or does this person exist?

[–]modex20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This sounds less like redpill and more like neckbeardy lonely guy justice porn... an entertaining read nonetheless if taken for what it is.

[–]TrueBro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]iShotMarvinInTheFace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch out now. This is about that time where they'll try to get pregnant to lock you in. Just be very careful op.

[–]plainjanebanker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Here’s the thing. You already had your chance to try and earn my commitment when you were a smoking hot 18 year old sorority girl. But you chased guys in the top 10th percentile of looks and social status instead. Now you’re 25-29 and thinking about settling down. But I wasn’t good enough for you then, so you’re not good enough for me now. I didn’t try to force physical intimacy on you. So stop trying to force emotional intimacy on me. No means no! No you won’t get my commitment! No you won’t get my resources! No I won’t pay to bankroll your baby! No I won’t pay off your student loans! No I won’t subsidize your low wage, low hour, low stress job.

You sound a bit too bitter. You shouldn't allow women to control your emotions this much. The general sentiment is correct, but the emotions which make it arise are not.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Some of us never truly leave the anger phase

[–]3savoryprunes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...in much the same way as I get angry every time I see someone throw a bottle or can in the trash when there is a shiny new recycling bin right next to the trash can.

[–]wangkeerder -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

A neckbeard can dream, can't he?

[–]Profdiddy 0 points0 points [recovered]

This is fucking fantastic and I have this discussion in some form every three months or so with my girl. Very well articulated.


A fellow successful man

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She's still with you? I'd imagine most plates will bail if they know BB is off the table

[–]1favours_of_the_moon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good luck with that, because we all know it only works one way.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

In short, BITCH SHUT THE FUCK UP, make me a sandwhich and suck my dick!