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Red Pill ExamplePolyamorous couple wants to have child. Wife thinks that his husband is too jealous because he cares about paternity (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]Turtles4lyfee 216 points217 points  (29 children)

Have a look at the edit on the post , where she posts the husband's email to her where he ends the relationship: notice how she says that he was happy with the open relationship concept, but from the email she posted it was clearly tearing him apart. I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and say this open relationship was her idea as well, and dude was trying to appease her to save his marriage. No self respecting dude is gonna be happy being a cuck, and the suggestion of raising Chad's spawn finally woke him up. If your girl ever suggests an open relationship, run. Run and never fucking look back, holy shit.

[–]Vindiel6930 86 points87 points  (1 child)

Let's be glad he atleast had the sense to break up with her and not actually raise said Chad's offspring.

[–]memphisjohn 71 points72 points  (10 children)

this open relationship was her idea

always is, just spend a few minutes browsing the various poly subreddits for proof

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Women always have the most to gain. In the rare occurrence where you are a particularly high status male you dont need a relationship to accomplish the same thing.

[–]tkulogo 22 points23 points  (3 children)

My divorce started by her requesting a poly relationship. The part that didn't go as planned was that I had much more success with women than she did with men. She didn't appreciate how high a value man she had. It worked out well for me, but our kids paid the highest price.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My ex took a nice downgrade. But it worked out well for me.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Both of my ex wives got huge down grades, all but one ex girlfriend did as well. What my ex wives have now is laughable, they're both complete losers, spineless wimps, and apparently terrified of me. As if I would bother to be jealous of someone fucking post wall cheating whores.

The one ex who got a better man than I no longer gets fucked by him and he has tried to kick her out a number of times, she won't leave. Where would she go? She's 52 and has a disabled son because she was almost 40 when he came along.

[–]Cloughtower 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Or just, you know, have some balls?

I guess that is "a particularly high status male" nowadays...

[–]Repeated_Accidents 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It happens. I know a guy with two wives (one legal, the other he plans on legally marrying after 10 years with the first), each of whom has borne him a kid. They both genuinely love him, but they're all in the kink community, so it has it's own spin on things.

[–]tyrryt 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It's the advanced version of the "let's take a break" ploy - keep the beta on the hook while ms. hamster tries to lock in a better prospect.

[–]worldnewsrager 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's already a name for this phenomena: 'Tarzaning'

[–]Senior Contributorveggie_girl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It rings a bell with Emma Bovary. Bovary syndrome.

[–]darkrood 24 points25 points  (10 children)

I always wonder, would open marriage last even after someone got diagnosed with STD due to rawdawging randoms?

[–]WhiteKnight49 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Seriously this. I feel like I would care way less about a woman's sexual history if not for STDs. I don't get how this is nearly always overlooked.

[–]Cloughtower 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Well, you'd care less about a woman you were ONSing, but you'd still care just as much with a woman you wanted to marry.

Oh, she cheated on every single one of her long-term partners and has slept with over 30 guys but she's STD free. Yea, sounds like a perfect one to raise a child with!

[–]ILoveSunflowers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it's not, it's just glossed over on the road to denial

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's not your STDs it's who loves you.

[–]1Claude_Reborn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I always wonder, would open marriage last even after someone got diagnosed with STD due to rawdawging randoms?

Naah, I saw that kill a few poly relationships in my time hanging around the community. You'd get clinical nymphos who'd fuck randoms, and spread a dose of the clap or something around the community despite swearing blind she'd used protection

they usually get a bad rep fast, and shunned because no one wants to play roulette with their life. Could have been MUCH worse and people know it.

[–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right? It would be kind stressful to fuck your LTR and has to wrap up to protect yourself.

I can just go to my Chinese hooker and get better service and stress free

[–]wanderer779 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If she's going to be running around fucking other dudes why would you want to have anything serious with her? Also, does this open marriage thing continue after the kid is born? At some point he is going to figure out the freak show going on in his house. Probably his friends will too. The whole thing is just so insane and I am always shocked at how blase people are discussing it. If you are married you stop fucking other people, that's probably the #1 rule.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have personal experience with this.

Yes. It's always her idea. Hypergamy gone wild. But they dress it up as polyamory because feels.

[–][deleted] 304 points305 points  (35 children)

She's right you know, Paternity doesn't really matter, nor does Maternity, they should just give you a random baby from the Maternity ward to take home, whichever ones ready at the time is yours.

[–]TogiBear 85 points86 points  (5 children)

It's fucking hiliarious how she thinks women have a special bond with the child but men don't.

AWALT goddammit.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Well then, they can just do ALL of the child-rearing then. "You're pregnant? Sweet! My job's done, see you in 2-3 years once you're ready for another!"

I'm being sarcastic obviously. We'd all want a hand in how our own children turned out as people. Just illustrating the ridiculousness of that mentality.

[–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hence the massive growth in single mums. Daddy may not be around to look after the kid but at least he can still provide the paycheck he would have done even if he sees no benefit from it. Thank god for the state, it'd be so hard to be a single mum without the ongoing theft from often-unwilling fathers.

[–]Dark_Shroud 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The comments give me hope because she had other women even telling her how wrong she was.

[–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats just the exceptional looney ones. Most don't seem to understand why a lot of men aren't as attached and emotional over their own children as they are.

[–]2popthatpill 140 points141 points  (24 children)

Exactly. They have all sorts of protections in maternity wards to make sure each baby goes home with the right mother (security cameras, multiple name tags, etc), because society (that is to say, women, because women appointed themselves as the moral arbiters of society) takes correct maternity seriously, but correct paternity? Aw nah, "the father is the person who loves the kid", and all that other bullshit.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (16 children)

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

With our population problems and lack of war to thin the male herd, this may just be a great next step for humanity...

Ugh, just actually thought about it as if it were real. Disturbing.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Population growth isn't curbed much by reduction of the male population. To halt growth and keep it at its current rate, you'd need to kill off most of the male population (possibly around 2/3) since each male could create multiple children, but each female would still be rather selective. You'd have to kill more and continue killing more at the same percentage each generation to lower the population by killing males.

If your goal actually was reduction of the population or control of the population's size, you'd want to reduce the number of females, at least in combination with reduction in the number of males. It's much simpler and easier. With extreme numbers like in humans, you wouldn't have to worry about natural disasters culling a large portion of the group, so that would actually be a viable option.

Of course this won't happen because morality would keep us from killing, and even if it didn't, gynocentrism would make us think to kill men first, even if it would result in more work at every level and in every way.

[–]fiercealmond 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not in every way. Getting laid would be easier.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heh when I posted I was actually thinking about war as a method of genetic selection, ie separating strong from weak genes. Simply having males kill each other in order to mate would replace that since war is now too destructive and the devices that kill people are too based upon luck to survive rather than skill. That being said, you make excellent points.

[–]2rp_valiant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Chinese have it sussed.

[–]DewArmy 4 points4 points [recovered]

kill any potential stepchildren first and then proceed to mount the female who is subsequently free of other commitments unrelated to him.

If only it worked that way...

[–]fadingremnants 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Crusader Kings II is the game for you, then!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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What is this?

[–]Captainfap1337 2 points2 points [recovered]

So to be clear, you wish it was cool to kill kids? I mean I don't want to raise an alpha widows spawn either, but that's cold

[–]spectrum_92 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Oh come on, 99.99% of women would think this bitch is a complete whore. Any sensible person knows paternity matters.

[–]Syberr 12 points13 points  (3 children)

tell that to France where the reason stated in law to criminalize paternity tests is that the father is the one who raises the child, biologic or not

[–]Hoodwink 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I almost think that their government should be overthrown for this fact alone.

Fuck man.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Muslims will take care of it.

[–]Hotblack_Desiato_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SECRET paternity testing is illegal. Paternity testing can be ordered by a court if you can show evidence that would cause a reasonable person to doubt the paternity of the child.

This law, while having some unfortunate consequences for father's rights, does grow out of two things that have nothing to do with feminism or anti-masculism or whatever, and which are actually good ideas:

  • It's a law that has to do with keeping civil suits from becoming the freak shows that they are in the US. In the US, we are accustomed to a common-law system where you can sue someone and introduce just about whatever evidence you want, and attack whatever aspect of the defendant you want in whatever way you think will get results for you. The outgrowth of this is the incredibly fucked up system of family law in the US, where tens of thousands of dollars are spent by each side trying to slag the other over some incredibly tiny and specific point of personality or parenting that would be considered utterly ridiculous by any reasonable person outside that system. In civil law systems, such as France and Germany, there are much more strict rules about how lawsuits, including family matters, are to be conducted, and while no court system is perfect, those laws make for a much more orderly and rational proceeding than we have in the US law system. This law about paternity testing is one such law.

  • Another important aspect of this law is that it is, in part, an outgrowth of other laws in France and Germany that protect genetic privacy. In the US, any fuckwit can grab a piece of you and run your DNA if they can afford the test. As I understand it, this is most certainly NOT the case in France and Germany. Your DNA is considered yours, and yours alone, and the state regulates genetic testing of ANY kind, not just paternity tests.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Minimum of 10% the population's father isn't who they think it is. Estimates go as high as 30%. Google.

[–]Sdom1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's adverse selection at work in that 10% figure. Generally, if you're having paternity tested you already have reason to doubt.

More reasonable estimates are low single digits. I've seen estimates of 2-3%. Which is still pretty fucking horrifying if you think about it. That means in the USA, upwards of 10M people think their biological father is someone who isn't.

[–]Meterus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bullshit! If it's really random, and paternity really didn't matter, they could just go to a pet store, not a maternity ward.

[–]choikwa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

or just import one from refugees' countries

[–]Purecorrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This type of sarcasm might be the closest thing to explaining to that person why men would disagree with her.

[–]hamlet_dynamic 132 points133 points  (31 children)

The modern world feels like the Twilight Zone.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 29 points30 points  (15 children)

I would thank your luck that you live in the age of paternity tests. Stuff like this has happened all the time behind men's backs and some of them never found out.

[–]Pam_Nooles 12 points13 points  (13 children)

That paternity tests exist doesn't necessarily mean they can always be used. In my country tests are not admissible unless performed with the female parent's approval.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

His body his choice. It's a PATERNITY test. Women just want control. They most times do not deserve it.

[–]geppetto123 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Best reasoning ever for this law "the state does not want to destroy families" - they preferr to let the skeletons stay in the closet.

In Europe this is the case for France and Germany (not sure about more states)

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Destroyed mens lives are in the states best interest. Thats what that means.

[–]wanderer779 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As always it is all about money. If you get millions of husbands walking out the door then the gov is on the hook for the kid. That's why they make you pay for them and threaten jail if you don't do it.

[–]HighVoltLowWatt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is basically the government saying cuckolded men are a rampant epidemic and they're solution is to side with the chicks in the deception because otherwise they would have to contend with an epidemic of single mothers and legal battles over divorce.

[–]systemshock869 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If she refuses, divorce and never look back.

Edit: Though I guess you then get raped by the state.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Want 100% certainty? Make a test behind her back, and when the result is negative, request another test under some pretense and don't sign any forms unless she complies.

[–]Sdom1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, this leads to the uncomfortable situation where you refuse to sign the child's birth certificate in the hospital. Better hope you have a pretty fucking rapid turnaround on that test. And if your wife finds out, better hope it doesn't turn out to be yours.

[–]sub180 1 point2 points  (0 children)

do it anyway and find out the truth

then make a decision

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then stop having sex in your country.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why I only visit France.

[–]thefisherman1961 42 points43 points  (8 children)

This kind of shit has been going on since the dawn of man. It only feels like the Twilight Zone because you're now looking at it through the Red Pill lens and seeing things for the way they are.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This kind of shit has been going on since the dawn of man.

Up until the late 20th century society placed higher value on the sanctity of marriage. A woman's value was based on her physical beauty and more importantly the man she married. Remember - women couldn't work and couldn't vote. And men, back in the day when ethics and morality were more emphasized, wouldn't marry a woman who lost her virginity before marriage. You see this today in the more religious communities - a woman might fool around a little bit with a guy, sure, but having premarital relations is out of the question since she would be ostracized within her community.

It wasn't worth it for a woman to cheat on her husband, because should he divorce her she would lose her place in society and all the benefits having a husband provides. And it's not like some other man is going to rush to pick her up since she is 'used merchandise' and he can have his pick from all the younger girls who haven't yet been with a man.

It's only in recent years, now that the system is set up to support infidelity, that women have the audacity to pull this shit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Has this stuff always happened? Absolutely. Has it happened in this amount of frequency? I don't think so, but I could definitely be wrong.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Modern world? This is a more a case of an individual woman who takes solipsism to whole new levels.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not really meant for this kind of stuff, honestly. I had a feeling I would feel this way one day, but I thought it would be at the age of like, 60 or 70, not late 20s. It's distressing sometimes.

[–]GoldPisseR 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Nope, in a truly modern world a woman would never want to get married.This is something else.

This shows how much power sex actually has over a man that he'll degrade himself over it for life.

[–]skoobled 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you allow it. Sex can be great, but it isn't worth ruining your life for. Don't let the ape brain control you

[–]screamingATtrees 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We should make laws and rules to do something against all that toxic female sexuality. /S

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 77 points78 points  (15 children)

Pretty sure this is fake.

She uses the term womyn non-ironically. While some people are known to do this, it's not particularly common, even among rabid SJWs.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (10 children)

Good catch. It's easy to get so wrapped up in the strawman that you forget it's just there for laughs.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 40 points41 points  (8 children)

I do want to point out that the comments that tell her she should put her foot down and not break up with her boyfriend (whatever her husband's demands are) are probably very real.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Exactly, troll post for sure but its target audience are whiteknights

[–]worldnewsrager 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the Army we did a lot of training, so when the real thing came around we'd be prepared. Whether the post is fake or not, picking it apart is good practice.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Are there so many? All I was seeing were comment that called her out on her shittiness and told her that it was up to her to make it work, and that he wasn't the bad guy for not wanting to raise another guy's child. Which, considering the sub it was written in, is as much as one could hope for.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were a few that said her husband was being unreasonable, and that condoms should be sufficient, but all agreed on the paternity thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Usually the worst of these posts are met with resistance. This post may be a troll, but it's an indication that even the wider world of betas will put their foot down when it comes to genetic paternity.

[–]2niczar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that is the only point of looking at /r/relationships and other cuck subreddits: not for the stories, which can and very often are completely fake, but to analyze the reactions from the manginas.

[–]CattlesbyQCanine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not only that but that thread is 3 years old.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this caught my attention as well.

Had she been a rabid SJW, odds are this would have been obvious from the start and not just popped up in the middle of the thread.

[–]1Claude_Reborn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She uses the term womyn non-ironically. While some people are known to do this, it's not particularly common, even among rabid SJWs.

Then again, the poly community is pretty vile with rabid SJW types. It's why I don't bother with official poly groups anymore. I got allergic to the bullshit.

[–]JohnBertilakShade 12 points12 points [recovered]

Well, "polyamourous" = retarded. No surprise.

[–]wordjedi 2 points2 points [recovered]

I will never use that dumbass term to describe myself, but I think it's equal to mutual plate spinning?

[–]JohnBertilakShade 11 points11 points [recovered]

It's a term women use to define having a secure pussy-ass boyfriend to come back to after they go on a three- or six-month school/work/vacation trip. Or just someone to spill emotions with locally.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a grown up 'friend-zone' where a girl puts out in return for sex and money.

[–]thefisherman1961 35 points36 points  (1 child)

My husband has started to just be a jerk since I proposed this.

Notice the way she's hamstered and manipulated the audience into thinking that her husband is the asshole. "Hey honey your genes aren't good enough for me to want to reproduce with, but your wallet is good enough to raise my boyfriend's baby. You're an asshole if you react badly to this suggestion."

Whatever. I don't feel bad for her husband because he chose to be a cuck. He gets what he deserves. But at least he's not crazy enough to keep the failed relationship going. In his email to her, he says:

"I think you've changed as a person."

No, that's just AWALT. She was always that way, you just failed to keep her hypergamy in check because you're a beta.

[–]lightfire409 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You don't want to support me raising a child who has no genetic relation to you? What an asshole!

[–]eternal_temptation 44 points45 points  (16 children)

I'd say good for him. Dumb fool's genetics should not be continued...

Why would you even have a polyamorous relationship? at this moment of the relationship, paternity doesn't matter... The court will grab him by the balls to pay for the bastard.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Why would you even have a polyamorous relationship?

You forgot the part where he - unlike the usual poly constellation - actually gets something out of it.

[–]GC0W30 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why would you even have a polyamorous relationship?

Betas get trapped into it lies and soft deception, as well as BP ideation that makes it okay.

"Well, I don't want her to not be able to have kick-ass sex. I'll go out and get laid too..."

Of course, a very solid % of chicks who are getting into polyamory are actually using it to vine swing. Half the time this dude loses his wife within two years, or they stop fucking, or he winds up forced to raise another dude's kid.....

And, being a beta who probably got out of shape during the marriage... he can't get pussy anyway.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (11 children)

Hear, hear!

As a darwinist, I feel nothing for all these beta fools. They need to die. Quality, not quantity. 8000 Spartan men controlled a population of 300,000 helots.

[–]cariboo_j 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The thing about elitists, is they always think they're part of that special elite.

You really think you could hack it as a Spartan warrior 2500 years ago?

Odds are you'd have been born a helot with no chance of advancement.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (5 children)

As a Darwinist you should know the only way for these alphas to spread their seed wide is to have betas around that deal with the consequences. They are a valuable part of the ecosystem!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I'd agree with you if I didn't believe that betas just raise betas and spoiled whores, regardless the paternity of the child.

A boy needs a masculine alpha father figure in his life, not some cuckold doormat and an emotionally unstable soccer mom doped up on anti-depressants.

[–]aaadiikaaa 4 points4 points [recovered]

that was the job of the agoge.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Along with an adult mentor every boy was paired up with.

[–]Glenbert 3 points4 points  (0 children)

These alphas, yes. But the fittest alphas don't. This is why the Alpha Provider is the ultimate female fantasy man. This is why nominally monogamous populations generally outclass polygamous shitholes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Isn't that what led to their downfall?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's debatable. A number of factors led to their downfall. The Greek city states would never be the same after the conclusion of the Peloponnesian War.

But every great nation eventually dies. Sparta, despite its size, was a glorious state for several hundred years. That's quite an accomplishment.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Just remember:

Polygamous couple: She fucks other men, you fuck your hand

[–]PanzerBatallion 34 points35 points  (5 children)

First of all, that post is 3 years old.

Second of all, almost all of those comments are telling her that she's wrong.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

The post may be three years old but the dynamic is timeless.

[–]ThouArtNaught 6 points7 points  (1 child)

At least one of the commenters know what's going on

The vast majority of commenters there know what's going on. Everyone agrees that the op is a selfish cunt.

I think posting isolated incidents of craziness is detrimental to this sub.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We still read shakespeare. Not to say that this is shakespeare, at all. Just to say that things shouldn't be discarded based on their age alone.

[–]yaardi 11 points12 points  (1 child)

At that point you can pretty much adopt, but I guess the woman wants her precious genes passed on, right? The beta cuck should be happy only providing the money.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes because just living with her is such a treat that he should pay for the privilege!

[–]Severity_Overtoad 9 points9 points [recovered]

ok, if she didn't care who the paternal father was, why is she arguing with her husband for two weeks over it? She has an ulterior motive, she wants her boyfriends child, she is trying to make herself look like a victim but if she truly felt the way she is saying she felt (caring about her husbands opinion, and not caring who the father is) she would care about the emotional needs of her husband and have a child with her husband.

[–]ether_reddit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

ok, if she didn't care who the paternal father was, why is she arguing with her husband for two weeks over it?

Yep, if she truly did not care, then surely she'd go with the option that makes her husband happy, you'd think? Instead, it's clear she really does care - she cares so much she's willing to hurt her husband by choosing the option that he said he did not want.

I'm going to go with others in the thread and agree that she's a sociopath. She is deliberately causing her husband pain by insisting that the paternity be left to randomness.

[–]daveofmars 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"My husband would be a great father regardless and he is smart and gorgeous and his baby would be wonderful. My boyfriend is healthy and beautiful and his baby would be fine as well. I honestly have no preference."

Well if you have no preference, then fuck your husband and have his kid, dumbass. He obviously has a preference. Do it for him.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't like paying for someone else's kids for the same reason you don't like paying your neighbor's utility bills.

The woman acts clueless while others are calling her out as a sociopath. It's important to note that that is just what a sociopath with a vagina would do: act stupid. "He's being so selfish!" Nope. He's being real. And now he's going to dump her ass. He should have done it a long time ago.

[–]2popthatpill 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Let me guess: the guy from this "polyamorous" couple doesn't get to enjoy much polyamory.

"I never put too much stock into paternity."

Gorsh, you mean you don't care about something that doesn't affect you? Imagine a guy saying something like "I never put too much stock in female contraception".

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Polyamory is a way to make the AFBB dynamic public. Ever notice how many polys says that they have a different lover for different purpose? Some fuck, some pay. Ever notice polys saying time is the big constraint? Alphas don't like to give time away, betas don't have much left. Women constantly get told that it's time because alphas need an excuse.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Let me guess: the guy from this "polyamorous" couple doesn't get to enjoy much polyamory.

Well, the quote from the OP:

Since we opened up our marriage my husband has had a bunch of short relationships and he has had fun.

[–]TheOboeMan 2 points2 points [recovered]

Yeah, some people just see what they want. You're the first person I've seen correcting this false assumption with that line from the OP.

[–]KatyPerrysBoobs2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's only ops interpretation. That could mean he had 3 one night stands over the 10 months, while op has been out getting fucked 5 nights a week.

[–]worldnewsrager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yea well, the OP also stated there were 'really no jealousy issues until [i dropped a genetic-relativism bomb on him]' and then 5 or 6 lines down says 'husband DID have obvious jealousy issues, but that she totally didn't.'

Can't say i really blame anyone on this thread for not taking OP's words at face value. It's highly likely those 'short relationships', if they even existed, were possibly not sexual in nature.

edit: happened to reread this and had an additional thought, that may even corroborate my previous statement: she may very well have not been jealous particularly because she KNEW he was striking out, or that he was such a cuck that he WOULD strike out no matter what.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I call bullshit on that one (as usual) - a woman who goes to the poly-sub trying to get validation for her plan to have a kid with some rando that her husband should help raising?

Particularly this exchange really drives it home:

yes its your body and all. I'm female myself, but you are very much ignoring your partners right to choose.

I feel like this is very sexist. You all are acting as if he owns my body. Womyn are not lesser than men. I'm not his property.

I think only the most braindead, boneheaded feminist would argue like that and actually expect people to be on board with it. If she actually was one, she would have communicated that fact sooner (because if there's one thing about ideological radicals, it's that they won't shut up about it). To me it looks more like that OP is a troll who is making up controversial details about his fantasy life on the fly so he can get more indignation points out of the audience.

Also, this one is classic:

My boyfriend doesn't want to interfere. I think he gets what I mean about this. I love them both. I don't want to choose. I was just going to let nature pick whose sperm to fertilize. It was never me picking either one.

He knows that my husband would be the father no matter what. He respects this and understands it. He is more than OK with everything.

[...]

I don't think my boyfriend wants to be a father. He is willing to potentially be a father to a child for me but I don't think he wants to be involved in like day to day activities. Which is fine! I don't expect him to want to.

Lol. This is so blatantly obvious a FUBAR-scenario, it can't be real. It's interesting that she doesn't respond to the multiple comments (so far, I've counted six) that wonder how she would react in the inverse scenario.


Still some gems in the comments, though.

You are being selfish, inconsiderate, and disrespectful of your husband.

I have a running theory that the poly lifestyle encourages this sort of inconsiderate behavior. It's all about getting yours, and telling anyone who has an issue with it that they are emotionally inferior. Sooner or later, that has to translate into a tendency towards being inconsiderate.


/agree, this is either a troll, or someone so unable to grasp why people are not agreeing with her that I doubt random internet messages are going to knock this orbit into alignment. either way, no reason to waste additional time on this thread.


You don't think my husband's jealousy was what caused us our trouble?

This is Poe's Law in action right here. I have no idea if this person is astoundingly dumb or a plain old troll.


"He won't find a better woman for him." (quote from OP)

LOL.

He'll trip over one on the way to work tomorrow.

Then he'll trip over another one on the way out of court after he divorces you. Probably several.


Please do not have children. Your complete lack of understanding and consideration for your husbands emotional well being makes me scared for the mental health of any child you may bear.

Also, if you do have a child with your husband, by refraining from sex with your boyfriend or using condoms or whatever, be fully prepared for your husband to demand a DNA test to prove the identity of your child. Be equally prepared for him to leave you and refuse to have any part in raising your child should it turn out to be another mans child.

Tell your boyfriend that he'll be the one on the hook for child support if it turns out to be his. See how supportive he is of your grand scheme after you tell him that.


First off, I agree with your assessment of hubby's issue. But I don't think that it's fair to diagnose OP as a sociopath over the internet based solely on her inability to see something that you find obvious.

1 in 25 people in the US are sociopaths.

When OP comes with segments like this: "It just feels selfish on my husband's part to insist to be the bio father. He will be the parent no matter what.", why would it be faulty to believe she's a sociopath when she thinks HE is selfish?

It's nothing out of the ordinary that people are sociopaths, but it is if you believe what the media wants you to believe it is, ie. serial killers and childrapists.

[...}

I suggest you go and read everything OP has said in this thread, and how painfully obvious it is that she doesn't have a conscience.

Under no circumstance throughout the thread has the thought of her being plain wrong crossed her mind. It never will. She is a textbook example of what a sociopath is. She intentionally avoids answering questions like "Well, what if your husband got some other chick pregnant, would you want to raise that baby?" and such.

There's no doubt in my mind that she's a sociopath. She simply doesn't have a conscience. I do agree with you that there might be other explanations, in theory, but you'll never convince me that she isn't a sociopath.

I'm also an INTJ, but I'm as empathetic and caring of other people's feelings as it gets. Some guy sent me a PM, saying he agreed with me in that he also is utterly convinced she is a sociopath. He said this: "Most people don't give any thought to the reality that a significant minority of people are born sociopaths, and that they don't always show it in a Conan the Barbarian way.

In this case, it is clear that she's a sociopath mostly because of her thought process. She seems to be mentally incapable of putting herself in someone else's shoes, believes her lies 100%, and plays the victim when she's the aggressor. She posts a thread asking people for input, and when everyone tells her she's completely wrong, she argues with them. "I'm wrong" is just not a possibility, is it?

I have an aunt who is the same way, so I was happy to see you say something controversial but true. She got away with a lot of bullshit before she got ostracized from the family, and it was all because people thought that, given enough time, her conscience might kick in. It didn't. It doesn't even exist. And she used that time to burn more people, including her relatives."

That guy is spot-on. Everything that has been said from OP is just textbook sociopathy. And this part is probably the most important one: "Most people don't give any thought to the reality that a significant minority of people are born sociopaths, and that they don't always show it in a Conan the Barbarian way". Being a sociopath isn't rare. It's common. A lot more common than people think.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I'm surprised with those great quotes you still think that she's a troll rather than an actual fucked up person.

Edit: Please don't remove them in any future edit or w/e. I have your post saved as a sociopathy greatest hits compilation.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm surprised with those great quotes you still think that she's a troll rather than an actual fucked up person.

Lack of internal consistency:

I think only the most braindead, boneheaded feminist would argue like that and actually expect people to be on board with it. If she actually was one, she would have communicated that fact sooner (because if there's one thing about ideological radicals, it's that they won't shut up about it). To me it looks more like that OP is a troll who is making up controversial details about his fantasy life on the fly so he can get more indignation points out of the audience.

Between actual sociopaths and outrage porn-stories online there's a little difference: actual sociopaths exist indepdently of the observer - they were never intended to be stories to rile people up and polarize public opinion in some corner of the internet. Events you witness in real life can be as outrageous and unlikely as they want, they're real. This doesn't necessarily apply to stories you find online, and the more outrageous they are, the more likely is it that you got trolled.

Also, there's one thing about psychopaths or sociopaths that the last quote omitted: they aren't necessarily retarded. Some psychologist likened them red/green-blind people in traffic: they can discern a red light from a green one, but they know which light is red and which is green, what they mean, and act accordingly. Translated into the situation at hand: the sociopath may be unable to relate to someone else's desires and priorities, but he'll intellectually be able to discern which actions are considered intolerable by other people and which aren't. An actual sociopath would predict her husband reacting poorly, get knocked up and then fabricate some convincing lie why there was no chance whatsoever that her stud could be the father, instead of expecting him to roll over and take it in the ass because she's an independant "womyn".

Btw: if you want the sociopathy-post saved, I'd suggest you to check the archived post in the OP, the quotes that cover that topic are from the same comment thread.

[–]friendlysociopathic 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No, an actual smart high-functioning sociopath would do that. The majority of sociopaths are total fucking idiots with 0 cold-empathy or impulse control who end up with ruined lives or in prison. The ones with enough self-control to plan ahead are actually the minority, although they're also by far the most dangerous.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Check the thread. Does the OP strike you as smart?

[–]friendlysociopathic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm responding to the part of your comment where you claim she "can't be a sociopath as she'd be smarter than that" so my answer to that question should be self-evident in context.

[–]MyLittleAtomBomb 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's his fault for getting involved with a woman like that.

It'd be like a girl dating Chris Brown then being surprised when he beats her.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG SPOUSE ABUSE APOLOGIST!!1

[–]chief_slap_ahoe 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This why poly doesnt work. Its just open cuckold thats all.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

poly =/= fuck all (literally) or for that matter, cuck all.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 5 points6 points  (5 children)

" It doesn't really matter in the big picture who's DNA you have. Its who loves you.

Ground Control to Major Hamster.

t looks like he is breaking up our marriage over email. Which is so mature... I do not want to get divorced.

Looks like someone might, just might, have a ball sack.

I think you are happier with "boyfriend". I am happier away from you....

The plain truth. The marriage was over the minute she sought other genes. He was just doing what so many have to do in the era or divorce rape--try to hang on and avoid a mess. It's amazing that men will through away their life because of this. Then again, men are known for running at machine gun nests. It must be something in the Y chromosome...

[–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (4 children)

He was just doing what so many have to do in the era or divorce rape--try to hang on and avoid a mess.

Men need to learn that when a marriage goes FUBAR like that, don't try to avoid a mess.

Make the mess. Go Pyrrhic. Ensure that even if she wins, it was not worth it. Realize that one is not dealing with a precious princess that would never do any wrong, one is dealing with a bully that uses society and government as proxy force. Bullies don't stop just because you ask them to nicely. You often have to at least bloody their nose, either figuratively or literally.

Women do what they do because men roll over and submit to it. Take away her payday. A man can start over a lot easier than a woman can; because even though she can spread her legs to try to sucker another one in, most beta's other than the most thirsty will still clue in that a woman with massive debt is a bad prospect for commitment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

^ That's what I'm talking about. Be ruthless. Gather evidence. Use the law. That "person" who was your spouse just became your number one enemy with more potential to ruin your life than anyone you've ever met. Get everything on your side. Win! If you can't do that because the cards are so stacked against you, make winning as hard for her as possible. You may end up coming out with a win in the end that way anyhow. Be mentally stronger and keep going until she quits.

[–]KnG_Kong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sell everything gamble and lose it all to your overseas offshore bank and then turn up to court drunk and tell her neither of you got shit to half (in front of her lawyer so he knows he ain't getting paid) Divorce complete. Rebuild, get a bar and re insert your cash, get money fuck bitches, don't ever get fucking married again you got lucky.

[–]worldnewsrager 0 points1 point  (1 child)

right, but didn't Nas try to do this with Kelis? Like he intentionally tried to garnish his net wealth and then they retroactivly re-adjusted his settlement a few years later (2~ years ago). I remember Kellis was doing her first (and last, judging by the response) AMA on there bragging... Just BRAGGING about how much cash she was getting off Nas' stupid ass, because 'she deserved it.' This wasn't child support either, she was getting more in alimony.

It's a hard row to hoe. The man is either broke, in which he'll lose the kid and most likely end up in jail, or he's rich in which he's turned into a money pinata by the state.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm guessing you meant to reply to /u/KnG_Kong ?

[–]tuilop 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It doesn't really matter in the big picture who's DNA you have.

CTRL + F "Adoption"

Yeah... That's what I thought ...

[–]RedditorsareDicks 9 points10 points  (2 children)

This woman is a complete sociopath. How in the fuck can you be married several years to something like that and not gtfo

[–]surfclimb 1 points1 points [recovered]

Not really sociopathic. Just following nature's programming to get the best genes possible. She's more of an idiot than anything. If she'd been capable of keeping her mouth shut, she could've birthed Chad spawn, and depending on the state, hooked hubby with a nasty divorce settlement.

[–]machimus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's easy not to care about paternity when you know for a fact every single child you have is yours.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I can't imagine a woman implanted with another's egg without her knowledge and then fertilised by her boyfriend would be happy she birthed and is expected to raise a kid that isn't hers.

[–]obama_loves_nsa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of the most enraging things I've ever heard in my life.

Hopefully she wouldn't get too violent as I picked her up by her horsecollar and escorted her directly to the front porch.

Edit: Actually this has a really simple solution. The guy could just drop her in the next 3 seconds and be done with all the drama. Boom. Free life again.

[–]KnG_Kong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Evolution has taught her nothing, kids look like there dads at birth for reason. So we don't fucking kill it and the mother 5 minutes later.

[–]brokenshelf 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's a troll. Knew it as soon as I saw her refer to herself as a "womyn". Also, the email she claims was written to her sounds so canned and generic.

As far as trills go though, its oretty good. Nothing to see here, move on to the next example.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I concur. A pity that so many here take that story as gospel (often without reading the thread or the comment in that thread which, by the way, pretty much across the board call her for being selfish/a sociopath/a troll).

[–]BlueChilli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it truly did not matter, then she should adopt.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reading the comments was a biiiiiiig mistake. Im actually gonna go for a jog now.

[–]ZioFascist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

heheh this is some PSY-OPS shit right there

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't matter whose DNA you have, so long as it's Chad's.

[–]moose_war 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So married couple is polyamorous and wants to have child.

As a man, how do you fuck up this badly in life? How do you get to this point where you are just so utterly fucked?

It doesn't really matter in the big picture who's DNA you have

OK. Put your money where your mouth is and adopt a child.

[–]Fuggernugger 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Holy Shit

I think I am ready to be a parent and I wouldn't mind having his child at all. He is a great guy. He probably wouldn't be as good a parent as my husband. I never wanted to make him the parent. My hubby and I are a team and we would raise the child. I don't know maybe its nuts. I sort of want something with my boyfriend. My husband and I have so much together. It just feels selfish on my husband's part to insist to be the bio father. He will be the parent no matter what.

Does it get any more AF/BB than this? Straight from the horse's mouth.

He is a great guy. He probably wouldn't be as good a parent as my husband.

He's good for fucking but not a very good provider.

It just feels selfish on my husband's part to insist to be the bio father. He will be the parent no matter what.

He doesn't have good genes as far as I can see. Why drag my kid down with him? Just provide for me and my child and stop whining about it.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm just in sheer awe of the level of power speak and rhetoricism that's in those words.

[–]Blake55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My husband and I have so much together. It just feels selfish on my husband's part to insist to be the bio father. He will be the parent no matter what.

Yeah, her husband sounds like a real asshole to want to raise a child that's his own.

[–]LegElbow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a lot of men out here who aren't fit to pass on their genes. They just do because it's easy as fuck to do it in modern society.

This beta is one of them.

[–]killwhiteyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

pretty sure it's a troll. in a comment response she actually used the "womyn" spelling...

[–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone who claims not to think paternity is important should be asked how they'd feel if they were one day told that they were adopted and their "parents" internationally kept it from them long into adulthood

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Polyamory, he agreed to this arrangement without ever expecting this?

Well not a lot of people have the critical thinking to get what'll happen.

He's quite a beta though: she made her stance clear; next her. She'll probably view his value to be higher than it is... which is a step as she doesn't even want his kid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't really matter in the big picture who's DNA you have. Its who loves you."

It doesnt matter what woman I give my resources to. Its who I love. So Im not going to pay any of the household bills anymore.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always easy for women to say.

It's not like they have to worry about the child being theirs

[–]PrinceLeon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thankfully the commentors think she is batshit insane and she has been Downvoted heavily.
If her logic ever became the norm I think there would be a lot more familial murders

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. This guy essentially cucked himself and now she wants to make him pay to raise chad's kid.

How is this any different than if they broke up, she had a kid with chad and made him pay child support even though it wasn't his kid?

AF/BB has never been more true

[–]Hippo_Kankles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anytime you're thinking about wifing up or falling in love with that HB8 remember this

[–]infiniteslinky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the most interesting response was where someone called OP a sociopath.

Are you asking why your husband would have a problem with you bearing another man's child, despite being polyamorous? Or am I misreading it? If so, isn't it quite obvious..? Like, painfully obvious? Edit: It suddenly dawned on me that OP is a sociopath. Studies show that an estimated 4% of the US population are sociopaths/psychopaths. http://www.lovefraud.com/14_millionsSociopaths/number_sociopaths.html You can't expect a dog to talk, as it doesn't possess the quality to, much the same way OP doesn't have any empathy or consideration for others than herself. It's like being born without a limb, except you don't get any empathy instead of lacking a limb.

[–]mykonos_rm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was gonna write this off as another bb but judging from his email it seems like the guy used polyamory as an "out" to F-k around on his wife and finally had enough with the marriage altogether. In other words the guy has some modicum degree of balls.

This is not working. I know it. You know it. I think you are happier with "boyfriend". I am happier away from you. I think this argument over the baby is just a symptom of everything else that is wrong in our marriage. I want to be with someone who wants to be with me. Whether you admit it or not you don't want me. I think the open marriage was fun in the short term but detrimental to us long term. I cannot even grasp how you would think it is okay to become pregnant by another man and have me raise it. You do realize this is absolute craziness. I think we can and should handle this process responsibly and we don't need to let this descend into chaos. I think it is best if you move out as soon as possible. Whether it be to "boyfriend" or your parents or a hotel. This would be easier on all of us. I know this must sound rushed but I've thought about it for a long time. We both deserve to be happy. You cannot give me what I want and need. I cannot handle this anymore. If we end things now we can leave on a relative high point. We will always have the great memories we had together. I think you have changed as a person. We just aren't as compatible as we were. I don't want to feel the way I do about you. Its not fair to you or me. We both deserve to be with people that love us. I'm not going to come home until Thursday. That should give you some time to pack things up. If you need more time let me know. Once we separate things I got a name from "Mutual Friend" and we can talk to him about how to move on with the divorce.

[–]4benny2lava0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am really concerned about him being forced to oay child support. We kniw that this hoes relationship with Mr. Thundercock is nowhere near strong enough to withstand raising a child. He would get her pregnant because he sees no risk of being forced to bankroll the kid.

[–]getRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your girl ever suggests an open relationship, run. Run and never fucking look back, holy shit.

Also if she asks for "time and space", bitch ain't fucking Einstein doing velocity calculations! !

[–]icecow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy should flip some reverse-hypergamy on this women. Find a different polyamorous woman, get a divorce, and say 'see ya'

BTW. I believe mandatory life alimony starts after 5 years of marriage in some states. The fact that you lived with her before that might factor in. Never mention that it could. Good luck do that guy. I'm talking as though he's lurking in this thread.

[–]garlicextract[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The OP in that post is evil. Straight up

[–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He already failed by being married to a poly.

Next.

[–]penworth[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bitch wanted to have her cake and eat it too. I'm just glad that this guy finally found his balls and told her to move the fuck out of his house.

[–]dandar4600 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That sub is all kinds of fucked up. Ever notice how women there say that "they" meaning her and her husband opened up the marriage yet it is only the woman that fucks around and the husband is monogamous? Frankly if the hubby is such a beta that he puts up with it then more power to her but at least she should be honest that she opened up the marriage, not them. In this case she says that hubby has been on a few dates but in her comments you can see that she really wants the boyfriend to be the baby daddy and wants the husband to be the father figure. Good for him to call the marriage off. Hopefully he went through with it.

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