Red Pill ExampleGirl is in a relationship with a wealthy alpha that maintains impeccable frame and doesn’t put up with her shit tests. She feels neglected and hurt (hamstering ensues) (self.TheRedPill)

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I'm glad that I finally stopped lurking and started to contribute to TRP. There have been very insightful comments and analyses in this discussion. Just shows us once again how vital TRP is to help us examine the pitfalls and obstacles a man faces in today's society, how to avoid and conquer them, all whilst becoming the best possible version of ourselves.


I have added the third and (so it seems) final update to this hamster saga below. Feel free to check it out.


I just saw that I got a "PM" from a user that has registered his account roughly 9 hours ago, telling me some new "intel" about this post and claiming he's 99,9% sure it's his GF that started these posts. He said

I cant post at the moment due to my novelty account but Id be glad to share some more insight into this and answer eventual questions.

I'm not sure what to make of this but if anyone wants me to pursue this further or refer him to them, just tell me and I'll bite.

Here's the original post (archive.is/first) and here’s second (archive.is/second ) and here's the third and final one (archive.is/third)

tl;dr Wealthy alpha has a LTR that feels neglected (financially & emotionally) because her boyfriend lives life on his own terms and demonstrates impeccable frame during her shit tests. She complains about his “lone wolf attitude” on the hamster sub and the shitshow begins


he started to tell me that I should know upfront, since many couples in our age bracket don’t discuss these topics, that he does NOT want to have any children EVER, does NOT want to get married EVER and he plans to stay independent with separate flats/bank accounts etc.

So this girl meets a fairly wealthy guy and starts a relationship with him. The guy doesn’t fuck around and tells her what she has to expect and how this relationship will work out. He sets the terms early on – for the girl it is take or leave. Of course we all know she can’t resist and agrees.

Marc does not care what other people think of him, he does not follow gossip or celeb culture or trends in general. He kind of lives in his own world. He has no problem doing things on his own (dinner, sports, going to the theater or museum etc.) and he thoroughly enjoys his solitude.

He’s also the embodiment of a true alpha as she described his attitude here

As you might imagine from this, Marc isn’t the “average” guy and he’s unlike anyone I’ve ever met in my life.

Of course you haven’t, honey. It’s rare that one encounters a true alpha and he was giving you the tingles so hard that you probably couldn’t think straight.

But alas, nobody is perfect, so let’s start to find the things we can nag and complain about.

He has almost no friends, only “acquaintances” as he calls them. When I asked him why he just replied that it’s better to have one or two real friends that would take a bullet for you than a dozen of fake ones. I thought that was weird as I have many friends and enjoy my time with them and I think that having friends is a vital part of a fulfilling life

Yes, we all know women need a large circle of „friends“ to gossip and for external validation. Suddenly it's „weird“ when someone likes to have quality over quantity when it comes to relationships. We all know she’s embarrassed in front of her social circle that her BF might comes off as a weirdo or loser.

Well, it turns out my boyfriend is pretty wealthy. I’m not sure what his exact net worth is but it’s certainly in the millions

Well, isn’t that convenient?

When we went to dinner for the first time together, he told me, after splitting the bill equally, that he’s willing to give me his time but not his money.

Oops, not what you expected? This guy knows the game and is protecting his own assets from the start; smart move.

I immediately found this a bit strange and thought to myself that I’m certainly not a gold digger and can support myself

Stong, independent (black) women incoming

And here’s where my problems start. He spends all this ridiculous money on his furniture, flat, clothing and adventure trips but apparently I’m not even worth a dinner?!

How dare he spend his hard earned cash on himself?!

Don’t get me wrong I’m not a gold digger and while I’m financially not well off, at least I can support myself. Sure I do get presents every Christmas, Birthday, Valentine’s Day from Marc but I feel like I’m not really worth that much to him considering how he spends his money.

Yes what a tight and greedy guy. It should be mandatory law to buy women things they don’t appreciate.

I cannot help to feel like I’m not that important to him considering how he constantly makes decisions without me (vacations, trips), and even refused to pick up the tab when we were dating?

He always knew my biggest dream was to travel to Asia but since I absolutely cannot afford it at the moment it remains a dream. Turns out he got his sister a 1 month trip to Japan for her 18th birthday. Flight, hotels and everything else covered

Treating his own family and blood to a vacation with all expenses covered, but not his girlfriend makes him an asshole that neglects her feels. Because working towards your own goals is apparently not en-vogue anymore.

As expected the hamsters all side with the poor and neglected girlfriend, reinforcing her beliefs, telling her how her boyfriend is immature, unable to commit to a „serious“ relationship and how ist unnatural not to live together, to marry and have children. Some even go as far as calling him a lunatic, psycho-and sociopath for not putting her first, and above everyone and everything else in his life.

The fact that he was always being upfront with his idea of a relationship and his girlfriend willingly spread her legs for 2 years is completely neglected.

She takes some oft he „advice“ from this sub and confronts (read: bitches about) her boyfriend about these bogus issues of hers.

I got emotional and nearly cried, telling him I need a break and he acts so immature sometimes and doesn’t consider my feelings at all.

As expected this doesn’t end well.

Then Marc told me that he is not the type of guy to wait for anyone to make his mind up about him and that the relationship is best ended on the spot.

Her boyfriend keeps his frame because why wouldn’t he? He’s independent (financially & spiritually) and clearly has internalized abundance mentality.

In the end she feels like a big fuck-up and of course deep down she knows what a mistake she made and that she will likely never find a guy like him again.

What we can learn from this is to never let go of your frame, be your own man, live life on your own terms and fuck what the hivemind thinks about you. As you can see in the comments, if you go against the grain of „traditional expectations“ you will be labelled as psychotic, crazy, immature and dismissed as sad individual with deep psychological issues.

[–]gamefuck 280 points281 points  (17 children)


When my cat needed an expensive life or death stomach surgery a few months ago, Marc called my mother and said he would take care of all the medical bills and treatments under the condition that it wouldn’t be brought up because he didn’t like the attention of being the “rich benefactor”. The other thing that almost made me throw up was when I learned that he paid for the funeral of my father who died around a 14 months ago. I always thought my mother paid for everything as she told me she had to liquidate some assets and saving accounts of hers in order to pay for the cat’s surgery and my father’s burial. It turns out that my mother has been struggling with her money more than she liked to admit and it was Marc who helped her discreetly and took care of these things without telling me or anyone else.

This supposed cold hearted son of a bitch is actually the NICEST GUY on the planet as well as being an unbreakable alpha. I feel bad for any guy that gets with this girl in the future. Talk about alpha-widowed, she will never, ever meet a man this good again.

[–]Jessie_James 62 points63 points  (4 children)

Yup, this was the icing on the cake. She royally fucked up. This really is the crux of the issue here - he was gold, and she kicked herself in the teeth.

[–]MuertaPinata 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"You never spend any money on me. You don't care about me."

"I paid for your dad's funeral."

mic drop

[–]dracolius 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I wasn't entirely surprised to read those things. It actually seemed to fit with the rest of the story in my mind. It's not that we don't care about women, at all, it's that we recognize how maintaining frame and financial security are not matters to be trifled with.

Regardless, this is some of the absolutely most delicious schadenfreude I've experienced in a long time.

[–]howard333 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I think modern women are not socialized to appreciate anyone that has a healthy balance of warrior and provider traits. They want a wild clown with a big dong that we also conflate with "alpha", or an easy mark they can take for all he's worth. Anything else confuses them, and they see men the way prostitutes do.

[–]gamefuck 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yes I think the type of Alpha in the story is very rare, clearly a natural. I mean this guy is the reason women think marriage is romantic, because they know it's the ultimate sacrifice for a guy like this.

I mean all the women are talking about how he is immature etc. If he married this girl, his trips would end, his personality would suffer. He would probably become depressed and his GF would start abusing the money. Then when he, a broken husk a man, complains.

"Oh he's just being immature"

So really you're better off doing your own thing because of their very nature women can never be satisfied.

[–]rpreader 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He was a fantastic guy who funded the funeral anonymously, but she's mad that he doesn't spend money on her selfish shit.

[–]hamsterbator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Turned out he didn't even arrange it with her mother. Did it anonymously but her mother did some investigating independently and found out it was him.

[–]ironblacksmith 396 points397 points  (47 children)

It reads like this girl thought she had found herself a nice Beta Bux. Half of the first post is her talking about how impressive his money is, BUT SHE'S NOT A GOLD DIGGER GUYS.

The problem seems to stem from him not wanting to play the role for her, ergo the post "how dare my BB not want to behave!"

[–]LukesLikeIt 189 points190 points  (11 children)

If someone says they aren't a gold digger more than once they are definitely a gold digger.

[–]the-Real_Slim-Shady 132 points133 points  (6 children)

let's be real every girl is a gold digger. So is every guy. If there's an easy opportunity to access a significant amount of money ~99.9% of people are going to pursue it. Who doesn't want to live without financial stress?

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Yep, guys and girls have some similarities and both are always out to further their own position

The difference is men are taught to be the provider at a young age and thus are rarely in the position to marry into wealth. If they happen to do so you can bet two things:

The women's wealth isn't hers but her families Her families wealth is likely her fathers, and he knows to protect it

[–]OwlsExterminator 143 points144 points  (17 children)

Yep every woman in a relationship thinks his money belongs to her and she just hasn't gotten it yet from him. I recall a plate would bitch to her friends how much I spent on myself/home (like new furniture), and thus I was "cheap" if I didn't buy the most expensive hotel rooms for our stays, or buy her jewelry.

[–]ddelicia 18 points19 points  (9 children)

This is kinda weird, I don't recall ever meeting a woman here in Brazil that thinks like that. Usually in here they start thinking your money belongs to them after you marry them, not on the dating period.

[–]truchisoft 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Really? try telling them upfront that you will be sharing the dating expenses, see how well you do.

[–]Duliticolaparadoxa 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Youll probably do alright for a bit until she realizes you were serious.

[–]truchisoft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's the difference when they look for you as opposed of when you look for them.
If a girl wanted to go out with me I would say something along the lines "you could join me at bla bla"

But If I am inviting them at least the first time, I would pay, then jump venues or order a second or most probably third round and make her pay that one.

Except my girl which offered to pay herself for the theatre entrances the first time we dated, certainly made me look at her in a different angle.

[–]TyPerfect 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Its the same thing with my wife eating off my plate. That shit doesn't happen anymore.


[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (3 children)

The funniest is where her mom smacked her upside the head.

[–]let_terror_reign 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I know, right? I really laughed at that and then came the news about the dude who was so nice he paid for a funeral and didn't even want to be mentioned. He did it anonymously.
But yeah he didn't pay for your meal so he's a cheapskate.

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[–]fadetoblack1004 301 points302 points  (23 children)

I fucking love it when the internet convinces some weak-minded woman to seriously fuck up their relationship.

[–]Fuck_shadow_bans 62 points63 points  (0 children)

And yet when you point out the obvious that feminism is really about pulling advantaged women down to the level of the ugly, bitter, & unlovable ones who push it, suddenly its a huge scandal. >_>

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (7 children)

Seriously, feminists are women's worst enemy.

[–]DroppinHadjisLandR 30 points31 points  (1 child)

"They lie to themselves, and then they lie to other people."

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Maybe it has something to do with the competing nature of women. They will purposefully give bad advice in an attempt to sabotage relationships that are not their own in order to weed out the competition for the top 20% of men. This is just a guess however and not based on any facts or anecdotes.

[–]fadetoblack1004 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I don't think it's a conscious thing. Subconsciously sabotaging their competition? I could see that.

[–]OwlsExterminator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I usually see failed bitchy women give bad advice. A plate literally stole my CC and did a ton of fraudulent charges, she had friends at the store and convinced them I was ok with it. I cancelled the card and disputed it and she cannot come back to those stores.

The insanity, her bitchy older friends convinced her I embarrassed her and they said she should teach me a lesson. After that she locked me out and tried to frame me for assault unless I would agree to reverse the disputed charges. No, No, No. WTF.

[–]laere 58 points59 points  (1 child)

Its all that "you go girl powahhh" feel good bullshit.

Its like theyre trying to create a spirit bomb that will destroy that guys values. But they forget theyre not Goku.

[–]david_kimba 348 points349 points  (81 children)

I told her everything about his lone wolf attitude and how he seems to never put me first, the money/wealth gap and the stupid tab splitting in restaurants.

Now my mother got even more upset and slapped me on the back of my head (note: not intended as an assault but more like “omg kid why are you so stupid”). She then proceeded to tell me a secret he and Marc have been sharing for a year now.

When my cat needed an expensive life or death stomach surgery a few months ago, Marc called my mother and said he would take care of all the medical bills and treatments under the condition that it wouldn’t be brought up because he didn’t like the attention of being the “rich benefactor”.

The other thing that almost made me throw up was when I learned that he paid for the funeral of my father who died around a 14 months ago. I always thought my mother paid for everything as she told me she had to liquidate some assets and saving accounts of hers in order to pay for the cat’s surgery and my father’s burial.

It turns out that my mother has been struggling with her money more than she liked to admit and it was Marc who helped her discreetly and took care of these things without telling me or anyone else

This woman... She was so fucking lucky to be with that guy, but it is never enough.

I thought my father was exagerating when he meant, you give women a cm they take the whole mile and you never give women all your love nor all your money, no matter how much you have of any, it will never be enough for them.

Holy shit. The thread you linked had a lot of rp truths telling her how fair he was and how lucky she was, yet he had to cherry pick the stupid, ilogical inconsistent posts that empowered her point of view.

Throw everything away in the blink of an eye because... EMOTIONS!

[–]GuruDev1000 269 points270 points  (11 children)

you give women a cm they take the whole mile

Give a woman metric, she will give you imperial.

[–]getRedPill 45 points46 points  (4 children)

Give a woman metric, she will give you imperial.

That's a veeery fucked up shit there

[–]GhostOfAladdin 5 points5 points [recovered]

Reminds me of a quote: "Don't go asking for an inch expecting a foot, unless you want a foot."

[–]penworth 53 points54 points  (5 children)

She almost threw up. "Oh noes, if I stuck around longer maybe he'll actually be a provider or at the very least I'll get some benefits from it."

In her mind she missed a potential meal ticket. But it'll never happen because no way in hell will this guy get tied down.

[–]Sunshinelorrypop 14 points15 points  (3 children)

did she find out he paid for her cat and fathers funeral after splitting with him?

[–]penworth 41 points42 points  (2 children)

she did. but in the original thread, she was already laying the foundation that she really wasn't seeing any "maturity" and that she's totally not a gold digger...which is odd, since she complained that he didn't let her tag along an expensive jungle expedition. she got jealous when he treats his sister to an all-expense trip to Japan. i can't make this shit up so I'll just quote her.

He always knew my biggest dream was to travel to Asia but since I absolutely cannot afford it at the moment it remains a dream. Turns out he got his sister a 1 month trip to Japan for her 18th birthday. Flight, hotels and everything else covered. Basically my dream vacation (and hers too apparently); when I subtly hinted that it was exactly the trip I always wanted he asked me if I’m jealous of his sister and said he’s always been upfront with me about his “family first” credo.

[–]CornyHoosier 26 points27 points  (1 child)

You'd think a potential long-term partner would see "family first" as a strength. Alas, her motto seems to be "me first".

[–]pcadrian 142 points142 points [recovered]

Dude holy shit, this woman fucked up big time. She's gonna be thinking about this guy for the rest of her life.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 132 points133 points  (2 children)

Seeing an alpha widow in the making.

[–]HappyManBeast 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Seeing an alpha widow in the making.

She went widow faster than I can drive through a wall.

[–]1Soarinc 15 points16 points  (0 children)

And this is the most brutal type of alpha widowing that is ever conceivable right?

She'll never get a chance with a guy like Marc again and no guy will ever measure up to Marc's frame or his generosity.

[–]penworth 81 points82 points  (13 children)

What gives me immense satisfaction was that in the first thread, she was looking for excuses to break up with him, and when she got her wish, thread 2 starts and apparently Marc was doing her favors anonymously.

She feels she fucked up all because she got advice from the relationship subreddit. Shit's hilarious.

[–]PedroIsWatching 58 points59 points  (9 children)

I have a feeling both threads will be disappearing soon. The mods can't have people knowing the advice given on their sub destroys lives.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Especially when advice given here improves lives.

[–]Uptonogood 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Don't worry. It's all archived now.

[–]ragtagmofi 7 points8 points  (1 child)

She mentioned she was going to delete all the threads anyways since her boyfriend supposedly found out about them. They're probably gone already

[–]penworth 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Gods I hope not. I like the red pill view on relationships. Puts things in perspective.

[–]CornyHoosier 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It was probably when her own mother started calling Marc amazing that the daughter knew she messed up. The mom even knew to ask if the daughter broke up with him because of children/marriage (which are perfectly valid reasons).

[–]reigorius 77 points78 points  (2 children)

The guys is a saint as well. I think we have witnessed an alpha widow in the making.

[–]LukeMcFuckStick 18 points19 points  (0 children)

"My old boyfriend payed for my fathers funeral and you only got me a 24 Karot engagement ring? are you fucking serious?"

[–]Glennus626 107 points108 points  (22 children)

Marc is obviously a hero, but let's not be naive about this: she was a plate who was told, up front, that there would never be anything BUT plate status for her. We cannot blame her for feeling off about that, since her sexual strategy is going to be different from ours.

Per biology, she NEEDS kids. She NEEDS a mate who can support kids. She NEEDS a mate who can support her when she's birthing said kids, etc.

She should have broken it off, as he suggested, on the spot, rather than waiting around for the possibility that he'd relent and share his resources (which is what a female is programmed to do). Her biggest mistake was not understanding t hat plate == girlfriend/ltr.

[–]youonlylive2wice 28 points29 points  (13 children)

She should have broken it off, as he suggested, on the spot

Meh, yes and no. She was a plate, and judging from some of this, was likely the only one he was seriously spinning, but sometimes that's a good time. Clearly he thought it was worth his time... Like most rides, its fun while it lasts, even if you know it won't last forever. Just don't bitch when it doesn't last forever.

That's the real takeaway here. She didn't believe him when he told her that. She thought she could and had changed him. That he wasn't serious when he said those things, even though he never gave any sign that that wasn't the case...

If you say something, mean it, and if you don't mean it, don't say it.

[–]BramRhodesDouglas 33 points34 points  (9 children)

Bullshit. I never paid for any of my plates things, definitely not their family funerals or their cats. She was more than a plate. I'm willing to bet that this girl is really hot so that's why this guy had her around. But she's clueless about relationships and she didn't realize that it's HER responsibility to make commitment happen. It's the man's job to be worthy of sex and the woman's job to be worthy of commitment.

Of course like most people in this generation she think relationships "just happen" so she didn't bother trying to charm him, cook for him, etc. You know, because cooking for a man and making yourself wife material is sexist red pill thinking. That sub is a joke, they fucked up her future.

[–]youonlylive2wice 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I'd say you're right. She's a nice piece of ass and the guy is genuinely a good guy. That's why he paid for the things but didn't tell her. Just thought it was the right thing to do but also didn't want to lose frame or lead her on.

[–]BramRhodesDouglas 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Crazy thing is that he's such a good dude. Wtf man he payed for her cat and dad's funeral. He's the farthest thing from a bad person. Yet twoX calls him a psychopath and says he's fucked up.... That moment when you realize actually all these bitches are psychopaths. That's fucking scary how blind they are.

[–]tigerjaws 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This guy was worth millions, she definitely had to be hb9-10 for him to have her around. But yeah, she's going to regret this for the rest of her life. AWALT. Women just don't understand that just because they would spend money (if they were wealthy) on cars and luxury shit and fancy dinners doesn't mean a guy would. This guy seems like a chill guy, even covered surgery for a CAT, and a funeral. Obviously cared for the chick. She fucked up big time.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

That's the real takeaway here. She didn't believe him when he told her that. She thought she could and had changed him. That he wasn't serious when he said those things, even though he never gave any sign that that wasn't the case...


Women don't invest time seriously like that without expecting a payoff no matter what is told them.

Remember that a woman will never believe a damn thing you say (right or wrong) and all judgement she makes about you come from shit testing.

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[–]pilledwillingly 29 points30 points  (1 child)

She doesn't like him spending money on himself. She doesn't like him 'involving himself in her family's matters without consulting her'.

She wants the chequebook and all the thanks for writing out cheques.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Sounds like maybe he was on the fence with her. I wouldn't kick 10-15 grand on a funeral for a father of a woman I didn't at least see some long term potential in.

Probably there were different perspectives on how long the proving dating period should last.

[–]Govedo13 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It really depends how much do you have. If you have net worth of several millions (as she estimates) throwing away 15-20k for your plate would be the same as throwing away 200-300 bugs for normal people.

Not like it is nothing, it shows appreciation but not dedication, it is fine line but it is there. It is not like he bought her a car or vacation, it is really sad if the family is so poor that does not have enough money for decent funeral, I find his gesture quite classy.

[–]devilabit 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Wow..Dads Funeral costs and sick puppies cost...the guy sounds like he is really into her and wanted to be with her, what a stupid women

[–]TRPMaidenSlayer 53 points54 points  (3 children)

When you have this kind of money, it's almost stupid not to take care of things like this.

What's stupid would be him wanting attention / credit - that would make him no better than any other validation-seeker out there.

I would absolutely love to meet this guy.

[–]MaximusNeo701 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Especially after telling her upfront he would give her time and not money; and then making sure whatever the issue was he took care of it it financially. Sounds like he kinda liked her.

[–]SofaCowboy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The giving time instead of money is a major indicator of maturity. Think of it as donating $100 versus spending your Saturday helping that charity. There will always be more money, but our time is limited and has special value to us. We'll never get our time back.

Imagine two hypothetical boyfriends, and let's say this woman is having a bad day. Boyfriend One is willing to cancel his plans and spend time with her, listening to her and offering advice. The other just throws her a credit card to go on a shopping spree so he still make his tee time. Who is showing a greater commitment to the relationship?

[–]Temuzjin 79 points80 points  (6 children)

So if you're an alpha, women become insecure and start longing for beta bucks, and if you're a beta, women become disgusted and unhaaappppyyy?

I'm starting to understand why many people on this sub prefer plates to LTRs.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (3 children)

After a few LTRs and couple of plates you just can't deny the similarities you experience. LTRs are so fucking pointless if you don't plan to breed it's not even funny.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 252 points253 points  (115 children)

This reminds me of that thread from TwoX a while back where a woman was dating a guy who appeared to be poor. He lived in a modest house, he drove an inexpensive car, worked as a web designer, etc. She decided to break up with him because she felt he had no ambition. A little while later she ran into a couple of his buddies, and learned that her ex-boyfriend was loaded all along due to inheriting considerable real-estate assets. The woman tried to contact her ex, but he refused to take her calls. So she posted her story to TwoX seeking advice, the whole time insisting "I'm not a gold digger, but why wouldn't he spend money on meeeeeeee?"

Just a word of warning, guys: if you make a lot of money and LTR a girl, sooner or later she's going to feel entitled to a portion of it. Never tell her exactly how much you make (and she will try to find out sooner or later), and don't flaunt your wealth in an attempt to impress women unless you're trying to become a beta bux.

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (25 children)

Flaunt your power, not your wealth if you're trying to attract women. If you want a good LTR don't flaunt either.

This man is a model for how you should act when you have lots of money. It's my money and I earned it. If I were to lose it all tomorrow it wouldn't affect you in the slightest. I'll put into the relationship what you put in, and where I choose to spend my money elsewhere is none of your concern.

Women like this make me happy I'm not going to be well off until I'm 32-34. As annoying as it is to explain that you have a roommate, attracting the wrong kind of woman for LTR or marriage is a far larger inconvenience.

[–]mdadm 44 points45 points  (17 children)

Women like this make me happy I'm not going to be well off until I'm 32-34

I'm just unhappy at the prospect of having to work like a dog to get places where as women can get there with the warm hole between their legs.

If I was a woman I'd get fat, do cam shows an sell soiled underwear and probably make close to the same amount of money I do now with nearly zero effort or risk.

[–]Alequo 81 points81 points [recovered]

There's plenty of people, men and women, born rich who don't even need to sell soiled underwear. No ones playing the same game and its pointless to compare your starting point to others.

[–]the-Real_Slim-Shady 7 points8 points  (0 children)

it's only pointless if the comparison doesn't motivate you

[–]Hotblack_Desiato_ 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I'm just unhappy at the prospect of having to work like a dog to get places where as women can get there with the warm hole between their legs.

You've got a warm hole too, pal, two of them, in fact. There are plenty of people out there interested in that sort of thing, and if you really wanted to put your holes to work for you, you could. You sitting here and complaining just belies your lack of motivation.

[–]square-one 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Why is getting fat part of it? That wouldn't help at all.

[–]Kardlonoc 37 points38 points  (12 children)

I made the mistake of paying for dinner once on first date. On a later date when I asked to split the check, suddenly all the problems she had with me seem to come out.

If you want to have some shits and giggles try dating a woman without money or a career path in mind. You don't have to be unemployed but make it a job that doesn't have much of a future. Lasts about 1-3 dates tops when the investigation is done and she realizes there is no long term investment in you. Doesn't matter if you travel, your hobbies or interests its all about those dollars.

There are men out there that will practically date homeless girls if they are cute enough and want to marry strippers. That's the kind of world it is.

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[–]cariboo_j 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Depends on the age group probably. Close-to or post wall women are gonna care more about $$

[–]drallcom3 8 points8 points [recovered]

Just split the bill on the first date (and do something cheap). If she's really after your money she will throw some red flags.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I don't think a woman's expectation to be taken care of is a sign of bad character, it's rather pretty natural. However, two caveats.

  1. If her main motivation in being with you are your, well, "taking care of"-qualities, you know what that means.
  2. If she insists on being super-independant yet still communicates that she expects to be taken care of, you have a typical modern woman on your hands who wants to have her cake and eat it at the same time.

[–]Boovs4life 19 points20 points  (68 children)

What kind of job could make one a millionaire? The average careers like engineering, doctor etc don't make even half a million. So what kind of job can make a million bucks a year?

[–]assbanger3000 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Being a businessman (run your own company, etc) or top executive of a big company are the only jobs that come to mind where you can make over a million bucks a year.

[–]the-Real_Slim-Shady 25 points26 points  (2 children)

being an entrepreneur is also the only job where you can lose a million bucks a year.

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Well for starters you asked what kind of job can make you a millionaire, you implied servitude to someone else by asking about a job, you don't get rich serving someone unless you're an executive or other high ranking job position that has a lot of influence on the company like a lead designer.

[–]gamefuck 33 points34 points  (3 children)

You don't make a million dollars by selling your time (hourly wage jobs like the one's you're talking about. There are several ways to make big bucks.

  • Sell your talents. (Consultancy, Contract Work) Only recommended if you're extremely talented in your field, say you where top 5% computer programmer you could make more by doing several contracts a year then an hourly wage.

  • Sell a product and/or service. Again hard but products don't have a cap on how much you can sell (there's only so many hours in a week, but if you're product starts selling sky's the limit). Can be a plastic product, a book, an ointment, an app doesn't matter.

  • Sell other people's time. Basically running a business. You rent out your staff whether they be cleaners, caterers, construction workers, literally anything. (An example is my mom who's made ~5 million by charging business $6/hr extra per employee) More people you get employed / get into jobs, more money you make.

  • LAND. The dream, the big money. Land is the most valuable asset on this planet because people will pay you just to borrow it, obviously it requires huge initial investment though. Renting isn't actually that profitable, it's better for offsetting mortgage. Also you need to buy land in areas that are growing so requires some know-how of the market.

Yup, working for an hourly wage is for suckers. There's a lot more risk involved with these other methods though.

If you're just starting a career like most of us will be, I recommend working for someone else for a few years in the field you enjoy. After some experience you can then start your own business/launch a product in a similiar field.

[–]drallcom3 11 points11 points [recovered]

Mostly starting a company, then being lucky (e.g. Snapchat) or ruthless (e.g. Uber) or a better copy cat (e.g. all mobile games).

[–]gamefuck 16 points17 points  (3 children)

3 guys at my university went from being usual broke uni students to making 365 million dollars in a short few months (they made fruit ninja)

[–]drallcom3 4 points4 points [recovered]

I know more than one guy who became millionaires by blatantly ripping off another game and then swimming in investor money. They all struggle to release their second hit, even after years.

[–]gamefuck 15 points16 points  (0 children)

that's true, not sure you'd need another hit after 365 million though.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good example of how the big rags-to-riches stories come from:

  • highly scalable businesses (e.g. apps). a restaurant is not scalable, for example.

  • where only few people own the product

  • and not much startup capital was needed

When these three requirements are met you also find yourself in an ultra competitive market, where 99.99% fail, and some reach blockbuster success.

[–]setzer_ 126 points127 points  (3 children)

Guy sounds like an absolute G.

[–]Graduatethrowawah726 47 points48 points  (0 children)

He does. What an inspiration

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (12 children)

Reading through the comments I'm seeing many TRPers getting a little indignant at the fact that women tie romance and finance together. You shouldn't be angry or frustrated at such a thing - AWALT. Don't get mad at the rain. Be happy it greens up the grass.

See Briffault's Law --->

Even though dude was top shelf alpha, the perceived benefit never materialized, so the association ended.

The woman basically delivered the message "Hey... Um... I need you to break me off a little something-something commiserate with your net worth in order for me to feel valued in this relationship."

Dude was basically like "Yeah that's never going to happen so we need to end it."

In her mind the hamster was spinning up "His fucking sister is going to Japan? WTF? I'm the one sucking the dick and giving up the pussy. Where's my fucking trip to Japan?"

Immediately followed by the "I'm not a gold-digger, but..." disclaimer.

Allow me to translate "I'm not a gold-digger" from hamster-ese:

I still expect you to spend the cash, because if you don't spend it then I'm not fully convinced you really care about me. But don't worry, I'm a good girl and it will work out for you.

Well at least until the benefit ceases and/or a Bigger, Better Branch swings along, leading her to change her mind - which we all know is a woman's prerogative.

I don't think its too outlandish for a woman to judge a man's interest by his material investment into a relationship. AWALT.

If your goal is to remain single and you know you have zero designs on marriage and family, then the policies deployed by "Mark" in this story are a proper blueprint for success. Any woman you get into an LTR with might accept low material investment on the front end, but they all expect higher material payout on the backend - AWALT. Even though they might agree to an initial framework that provides limited material benefit, odds are the acceptance of that dynamic will not last all that long. So by sticking to the initial agreement, the issue of "where the relationship is going" eventually takes care of itself (not going anywhere) and you remain a bachelor as is your desire, moving on to the next chapter in your tome of male-female relationships.

So, it's an accurate assessment on the woman's part that if you are setting hard financial/material boundaries - and sticking to them - then advancement of the relationship into cohabitation/engagement/marriage territory is highly unlikely. Briffault's law kicks in, and they depart to seek out a more serious, mature relationship.

Adversely, if a man was seeking a more serious relationship, and could easily afford such things, then he would be more apt to pick up the check at dinner and/or take his lady on vacation with him. For the man planning on lifelong commitment, (healthy) providing is part of the deal. Of course it goes without saying that any man venturing into this territory would be wise to make sure he vetted his lady thoroughly beforehand, be extremely affirmed that marriage, children and family were his goal, and that this decision was a wise one to make in the first place.

Anyone who has read my posts and comments before probably knows already that I am not hard line anti-marriage, as I believe this is the best environment for a child to be in - raising them with mom and dad together married and committed to one another. For men that want to experience fatherhood and family, its the obvious choice. I do stress that men don't just haphazardly wander into marriage. When they consider it - they do so with a comprehensive understanding of the sacrifices, responsibilities and (most of all) the risks involved. Its the one decision in your life that can tear you asunder if you fuck up and make wrongly. But I digress...

Getting back to OP's related story, this woman isn't behaving abnormally by increasing her expectations. Think about it, if you were a woman and some very handsome, very smart and very successful man entered your life, you'd probably want to lock him down - especially if the wall was looming. You'd be on your best behavior, you'd be submissive, you'd give up the good-good sexually, and you'd show him your domestic talents in hopes that he would recognize that he's got something that's capable of making him happy for a very long time.

When they figure out there's no eventual payoff, they become disenchanted and start radar-seeking the next branch (or just break it off so they can search unencumbered) thinking that they just invested all this time and effort for nothing. For a woman, this is pretty logical strategy. Its good to know and understand so you can better manage your own decisions, but serves no purpose hating them for it, IMO.

Part of self-actualization is knowing what you want out of life, and then acting rationally in accordance with what your goals are. The being Red Pilled part is not allowing oneself to be fooled by false narratives which lead to irrational decisions, self-defeating behavior and unwanted consequences.

[–]stukaf 144 points145 points  (13 children)

From the update post:

He answered that he’s not forcing me to stay with him and if I thought that the relationship has no future he won’t hold me back for my own good. I got emotional and nearly cried, telling him I need a break and he acts so immature sometimes and doesn’t consider my feelings at all.

This the scalpel that cuts to the heart of the modern hamster. I had to read this paragraph a number of times to make any sense of it. It is a literal contradiction, the death rattle of a failed confrontation where emotion meets frame. This is the moment she realizes that she fucked up - a knee jerk response to the welling of dread she undoubtedly felt as it become clear she would never be able to get what she wanted from him.

After his statement:

He answered that he’s not forcing me to stay with him and if I thought that the relationship has no future he won’t hold me back for my own good.

The hamster kicks into its highest gear. Time and space warp around the frenzied creature, the past is rewritten, responsibility abandoned and emotions projected. He has drawn the line, and where the field has been opened to a moment of true insight, the hamster speaks:

I got emotional and nearly cried

An attempt to generate pity through victimization. The hamster sets the stage.


I need a break

The ultimatum is delivered. The hamster escalates the situation by rote.

The hamster spins even faster:

he acts so immature sometimes

The hamster has disconnected its host from her memories. Every statement in her post has described Marc to be a reliable, independent, and above all mature human being. The hamster, having no experiences from which to draw a true argument, generates a justification. It now seeks to preempt its own culpability for the results of its own ultimatum.

The hamster nears light speed:

[he] doesn’t consider my feelings at all.

A masterwork of emotional projection. The hamster has no ability to view a relationship outside its emotional frame. His argument is fully considerate of her feelings but is based on logic and assumes that, like his own, her fulfillment is derived from her own success as a human being. Telling her he would never stand in the way of her path to fulfillment is the most considerate thing a sigma personality could ever say to another person. The reality is that she is unable to see their relationship from his perspective; the very definition of inconsiderate. Unwilling to cede its own wrongdoing, the hamster projects the woman's own formless emotions onto Marc.

But in doing so, the hamster has inadvertently revealed its host's true nature. In projection we see truth. It is her who has been inconsiderate. She has not once shown any willingness to understand his way of thinking. Her ignorance of what makes her now ex-boyfriend the man he is shows us which of them is inconsiderate.

I almost feel bad for her.


*edited for structure and flow

[–]clawjelly 47 points48 points  (3 children)

Very well written!

He even breaks his own rules and spends money on her (cat) and yet "he acts so immature sometimes". ... I loled.

Also in the update she calls him spending money on the cat and the burial "interfering with family matters"... What a bastard!

Hamster is a master projector.

[–]1Krackor 23 points24 points  (1 child)

No, his rule is not "don't spend money on her". It's "don't give her the impression that I spend money on her".

[–]MaximusNeo701 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't get in her in the mindset that he will be covering their fun expenses; but a well off person who doesn't want to see someone close to them suffer.

[–]michael_wilkins 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Damn I think some of the advice in relationships is actually decent.

Whad'ya know, a broken clock is right twice a day.

You know you dun goofed when your Mum says you goofed.

[–]penworth 151 points152 points  (16 children)

I read the update: shit's disgusting. The guy did this bitch a solid and helped out her mom by paying for her cat's surgery and even paying for the dad's funeral expenses, "but why doesn't he do any thing for meeeeeeee" The solipsism is transparent.


[–]Fafner2 56 points57 points  (5 children)

It's really scary that women like her exist everywhere, just silently waiting to see what they can take from you. They won't earn themselves-- they'll just use their pussy as a way to manipulate and eventually steal from you.

Seems like screening for LTRs is an absolute must, and this means screening them well

[–]throwaway-aa2 38 points39 points  (1 child)

literally fucking EVERYWHERE. That's why it's so fucking important to cultivate a selfish attitude. One of the comments above said it best: you give a women a cm and they want a mile... it's NEVER ENOUGH. I gave my ex literally every single ounce of my time I had left over. Imagine my surprise when she complained about this, and imagine my surprise her lack of logic when I explained that I give her more time than anyone else in my life.

So to me, this guy is a genius. Holding frame like that makes sure that the women in his life (even this one) stay in check at least for the time that they're around, and when they step outside the box, she gets cut from the team sports style. There's literally never a reason to sacrifice yourself and who you are if you have any sort of decent SMV. There's always more fish in the sea. Good shit all around.

[–]uxl 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What's scarier is that RP is frowned upon and men are being victimized and brainwashed by an insane society.

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I like how humble he was about it he did it anonymously and she only found out through her mother figuring it out and gossip.

[–]Simon_the_Neckbeard 32 points32 points [recovered]

"I'm not a gold digger, I just really really REALLY deserve that dream vacation to Asia!"

The entitlement of American women never ceases to amaze me. Foreign women come to America and are fucking blown away by the most basic shit. Then you have American women getting pissed off because they aren't given $10,000 vacations.

Never get married. And if you do, under no circumstances should you marry an American woman.

[–]Obi_Wan_can_blow_me 15 points16 points  (2 children)

im pretty sure this chick isnt from america, from the use of the word flat and the fact that english is not her first language. As the saying goes AWALT

[–]Borsao66 51 points52 points  (5 children)

She needs to be quarantined asap. Craytonium Alpha Widow alert!

[–]Uptonogood 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Can you imagine how miserable her "plan B" guy will be?

[–]Temuzjin 15 points16 points  (1 child)

He'll have to be at least an alpha millionaire and even then she won't be satisfied.

[–]Borsao66 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Weapons grade crazy: Craytonium

And I'd bet good money he smashed that shit in the bedroom. She'll never be happy in any relationship ever again.

[–]1Soarinc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not only that can you imagine how sick her "plan B" guy will get sick and tired of how hearing how great Marc was that he paid for her father's funeral or her cat's emergency surgery!?

This Alpha Widow is going to melt down entire neighborhoods, lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 22 points23 points  (6 children)

No woman is entitled to a relationship on her terms. She is free to leave at any time. In this case, he laid out the terms of their relationship, and she can either fuck or walk.

She hamsters away....but she stays.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Look at how much the mom likes him and just spills the beans on him being the benefactor behind the nice deeds. It really all boils down to his money. She hates that she has no way to force him to spend it on her and now because of her immaturity she lost him. She is a definite alpha widow after this. She will find a beta, have kids, maybe a divorce, but no amount of other men will keep her from thinking of "what could have been." That's why women have depression, they always have regret from living in a fantasy. I really hope for an update 3, but I doubt it since he is done with her. Guy sounds like a really smart man. Especially in a country like the UK where marriage is so dangerous.

[–]TheSchnozzberry 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Not just smart, but also incredibly kind. He paid for her father's funeral when they had only been dating a few months and he had only met once or twice and saved her cat by paying for an expensive surgery. AND he did it all anonymously (just beyond selfless) expecting nothing in return but for a loyal woman who respected his boundaries. Dude is like a golden standard for others to aspire to.

[–]battyryder 48 points49 points  (2 children)

ahahahaha, lols, so funny, these bitches are becoming more and more entitled. they always fucking want from you but rarely reciprocate. i can't remember the last time a female other than my gran offered me dinner or even bought me a gift, never mind a trip abroad.

[–]KartagoPill 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You prick! She is strong independant woman. All gifts are mandatory. Cuckold also.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Yes, we all know women need a large circle of „friends“ to gossip and for external validation. Suddenly it's „weird“ when someone likes to have quality over quantity when it comes to relationships.

I've always loved the saying "When it comes to friends, it's better to have four quarters than a hundred pennies."

[–]grewapair 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I need a break = I need you to stick around while I see if I can do better.

[–]MonkeyDFreecs 77 points78 points  (14 children)

I find Marc very easy to relate to with the exception of the wealthy part (but I hope to be able to relate to him in that soon).

Why do some women seem to get stupid when they get hold of a rich man especially when they make it clear on what the relationship should be. Marc is the millionaire here, you should be doing everything you can to please him and make him want you as a significant part of his life. He can dump you in an instant and get some new pussy within minutes of dumping you. I guess when they let them in they think they're very important to them thus she can make him beta bux.

She's also probably upset she doesn't get to live the celebrity life since he doesn't care for gossip, pop culture and having an entourage.

[–]1grubek 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Why do some women seem to get stupid when they get hold of a rich man especially when they make it clear on what the relationship should be. Marc is the millionaire here, you should be doing everything you can to please him and make him want you as a significant part of his life.

Because when a man says I will never do X, a woman hears: you'll have to play the long con. And, tbf, most of the time they are right. So when they don't get their way after all the time invested they get sad.

[–]throwaway-aa2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

lol YUP. Wow I relate the fuck out of that. You give them the terms, they go OK. But once you give them good enough feelz, their emotions take them hostage and OK now becomes "well he has to feel the same as me now" or "he'll come around" or something like that.

[–]Temuzjin 24 points25 points  (3 children)

He can dump you in an instant and get some new pussy within minutes of dumping you.

Some women honestly believe that they're special and that no other woman in the world could replace her.

[–]verify_account 6 points7 points  (1 child)

He can dump you in an instant and get some new pussy within minutes of dumping you.

Of all the great things Marc did, I don't think he had enough dred. Yeah we assume she knew he could pick up different hotter chicks, but without the dread it wasn't clear. She didn't fear losing him.

[–]Vaecor 14 points15 points  (0 children)

[–]PlayerVII 8 points 13 hours ago* It's simple. He doesn't need you. If you leave him hell find someone else. You can play by his rules or you can leave his is what we call a man and this is the reality more and more of you women will deal with because men are taking back their balls. He won't change you won't convince him to change you will push him away and he'll just dump you and find another women if you decide you have problems with how your relationship He won't get married ever because it will risk his wealth if divorce happens. Marriage gives zero benefits too males. He doesn't have to make decisions with you in mind because his choices is all that matter. Why do you feel entitled to have dinner bought for you? Or for him to give you some trip to japan that he can afford but you can't. You are entitled to nothing. This is what you women want right? Equal treatment? Huzza Your choice is simple if you care about him be faithful be with him if you don't break up and move on. permalink

This is a great response, it actually got upvotes.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (27 children)

This guy is a Sigma.

Studying the behavior of Sigmas can end up being fruitless. To be a Sigma you need some sort of outlier factor. You need to be in some way uniquely important outside of social contexts, because the effect only really works if she thinks she can't possibly replace you. Achieving this is much harder than achieving "alpha" status, which is entirely social and essentially independent of your professional success.

If you're a loner type who lives in a typical studio apartment working as a cubicle drone, then women have another word for guys like you: loser. If you're a loner type who does something exceptional that garners respect and attention regardless of your social success, and you hold frame/act alpha when needed, then you are a Sigma. Famous Sigma examples are James Bond or Steve Jobs.

The Sigmas I encounter most often are surgeons. I was baffled at how girls in my med school class would fawn over surgical residents that were objectively not very "alpha" at all. They're often skinny because their job leaves no time for working out. They don't have time for a thriving social life, but in social situations they can take charge if needed (because that's what they do in the remainder of their life in the OR). Most importantly, they do something reserved for a very select group of individuals. They essentially emit the ability to be alpha, but the inclination to pursue something more worthy.

Be careful trying to emulate a Sigma. You need to be busy, successful, and mysterious enough to break out of the realm of "loser" territory. It's not enough for her to "not understand" you. She has to want to understand you. She has to think that she hasn't met anyone like you before.

Also, while Sigmas may draw women, if women are your end goal then being "alpha" is a far more worthwhile endeavor. You will draw women more quickly and easily. You will derive more satisfaction from your social life (rather than your professional life). Finally, you will be able to give more to her emotionally without breaking frame. The last point is the most important. A Sigma only avoids being BetaBux through distance and mystery. Once a women is let inside of his world, the fantasy surrounding it crashes down. This is a big part of why I see so many surgeons getting divorced. They try to be both Sigma and married. They either let their wives in on all their feelings and lose the mystery (and her respect), or they neglect the relationship despite demanding loyalty from their spouse, which leads to resentment.

[–]MeltzerDriver 25 points26 points  (6 children)

This is what I try to tell MGTOW'ers. Nobody cares if you take your ball and go home if you aren't high value. Women won't care if a bunch of poor, average, weak men leave the sexual market and avoid marriage. They'll care when rich, successful, strong men avoid marriage.

[–]supertramp80 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I don't think mgtow's CARE if noone cares, they just live their lives.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It's winning in their own terms. Can't fault Em for being happy

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you're an MGTOW guy and you're doing it for the benefit of women, you really messed up somewhere in that thought process. MGTOW guys aren't trying to make a difference, they're just focusing on different things.

[–]cariboo_j 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The point of MGTOW is to gtfo, not make women miss them.

Well some early MGTOWs were talking about a marriage strike but that's since been abandoned in favor of dropping out of the whole system.

[–]squidracer 62 points63 points  (72 children)

He sounds more like a sigma.. Aren't they more the loner type?

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 116 points117 points  (68 children)

I thought the same thing. Marc sounds like a textbook example of a sigma male, which could basically be described as a "lone wolf alpha" or "dominant and rebellious introvert." The sigma male doesn't play social games, but his sheer "I don't give a fuck" attitude means that he usually ends up winning them anyway. The sigma male is the type of guy who can go to a bar alone, and a few hours later he'll be leaving with the hottest girl there.

Ironically, traditional alphas tend to hate sigma males because sigma males are completely unimpressed by the alpha's social dominance.

[–]2Overkillengine 73 points74 points  (26 children)

That, and it illustrates just how hierarchy dependent many alphas actually are.

Tends to sting the ego a bit.

[–]1wakethfkupneo 37 points38 points  (24 children)

Absolutely. I've heard arguments before that only Sigmas are true alphas in the alphaest way - (social) 'Alphas' need betas to be what they are, Sigmas do not. Remove betas from 'Alpha' and he's left naked, at best he can adapt to sigma ways. Sigma OTOH has no weak spot. But then again, it's double edged sword since we humans are deeply programmed to be social creatures and for a good reason.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 42 points43 points  (21 children)

Yep. Traditional alphas are leaders, their dominant and outgoing personality traits means that they need "followers" to achieve their full potential. These followers can be a family, an entourage of beta friends, subordinates at work, voters, or lower-ranking military personnel.

The sigma is the lone wolf. He does not want to lead others, and he does not want to be led by others. He wants to live life on his own terms and pursue his passions with as few distractions as possible. This doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy human interaction; he has a small circle of friends and family members that he's very close to rather than having dozens of acquaintances. When it comes to relationships with women, his fiercely independent nature means that he prefers casual relationships over serious ones (he chafes at commitment). The women he dates often find him to be mysterious and inscrutable.

One interesting thing about sigmas is that, even though they don't seek power over others, when called to serve in leadership positions they tend to do a very good job. I've seen the Roman general Cincinnatus as well as George Washington both described as sigma males. As well as Steve Jobs if we're talking leaders of industry.

[–]EvanDeadlySins 7 points8 points  (14 children)

So why aren't more red pillers seeking this ideal? What are the drawbacks of it that aren't apparent by your description?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 22 points23 points  (10 children)

Because it's based on your nature, who you are at your core. Some require validation, admiration, and followers to feel accomplished. Some of us simply do not.

I seriously doubt you'd want to live as I do. I require very little social input from others, that's why I live 20 miles from town, alone with my cars and dogs, and have built a life no sensible girl would want to be a part of. I enjoy living this life, the solitude, the proximity to nature, the freedom to do as I please, and not having a bunch of people in my life is perfectly fine by me. I cut people out of my life effortlessly, and once cut, they may never return. They mean nothing to me and I have only three friends who have withstood the last 25 to 35 years. They don't even live close to me. One is in Korea, the others are a thousand miles away.

Could you live that way? Could you stay busy enough to concentrate on your goals? Or do you need to have others around you often? I love way of here to avoid people, because most of them annoy me.

[–]squidracer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Pretty much how I've always lived. I find most people boring. I'll get invited out, go, get bored and go back home.

I have a girl or two I "date", and it drives them nuts that their games don't work on me. I've actually been over at a girls place, got up, said I'm going home, and walked out the door.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As have I. Has gotten me laid a few times, but mostly I have better shit to do than sit around listening to small minded talk.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (25 children)

I feel like everyone on this sub is either a sigma or a sigma in training by that definition.

[–]TyPerfect 19 points20 points  (7 children)

It's the best way to be Alpha. You literally are a self contained man. No social pressure can get to you.

[–]ShounenEgo 38 points39 points  (6 children)

My theory is that you become a sigma only if you come from a former beta position.

Natural alphas have learned to enjoy the social validation for their abilities since they were kids. On the other hand, a beta may not have been actually a social butterfly, which in turn led him to be more independent on what others think of his hobbies and likes (stuff like programming, anime, video games that you can do giving zero fucks on whether other people endorse them or not).

The difference then comes from the realization of how the world works and the decision to do what it takes in order to get what you want. Want boosted self-esteem and contact with your masculine nature? Lift. Want to fuck girls? Learn game. Want money? Get a job. But they never, ever do it for social acceptance, they do it for themselves.

From that perspective, they only play the social game for themselves, and they call the people who have some form of social contract "acquaintances" as the example in OP says, because they know how things work - they (sigmas) will utilize them the same way they (contacts) gain something in return.

Another poster said that sigmas can also be people with alpha behavior who can't get the full package for one way or another - chronic illness that keeps them from building a body as good as they would like, for example.

But the bottom line is: I don't even care if I'm called sigma, alpha or whatever. TRP taught me stuff about how the world works and I'm using this knowledge to decide a more appropriate path towards my goals in all aspects of my life(sexual, career, financial etc). That's all there is to it, for me.

[–]clawjelly 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Not really. You need something in your life that consumes your attention so thouroughly, that you see women more as a distraction to your passion. Sigmas don't give a crap about anything beside, especially about womens emotions. Their passion prohibits to care about the whole alpha-beta-drama. Being on a Reddit-board about women is already the anti-thesis to being a sigma.

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[–]clawjelly 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I guess... Then again being a selfmade millionaire would probably help...

[–]square-one 8 points9 points  (1 child)

sigma male described as a dominant and rebellious introvert

To be successful like this you have to be able to switch on "extrovert mode" at will. You can act stoic and unimpressed by 'traditional alphas' at a bar but that won't get you anywhere unless you can speak up and shut them down when you need to. 'Traditional introverts' can't do that.

[–]planchy 18 points18 points [recovered]

Isn't that the best way anyway? Nobody keeping you down, you get to spend time on things that actualy matter and you don't have to rely on situational confidence. All that remains is profound self love. Works especially well if you come from omega/beta status and your social circle consists of mostly insecure people.

[–]bluedrygrass 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yes and no. It's a lonely life.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's only lonely if you're poor company.

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the best way

There are no universal truths.

It's either fits your style or don't. It fits mine. I can't be bothered with the life of the club high energy extroverted alpha male thing. Same way that extroverted guy couldn't do the low energy lone wolf pull.

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Don't forget, betas aren't always unhappy either. Deltas, sure.

Betas actually enjoy setting themselves on fire to keep you warm. Those 40% of marriages that so work? A lot of happy beta men in there

[–]ben0wn4g3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow I actually think this might be me.. I never heard of this before though.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 55 points56 points  (47 children)

Eh, I'm going to advocate for the Devil on this one. If you've been dating a woman exclusively for two years, as Mark has, because according to the OP, he believes in monogamy, and you are wealthy, as Mark is, you have to consider the effect on the woman's self-esteem of you not paying for anything, when traditionally, men pick up the tab on things like dinners for their girlfriends.

Now, it's one thing if you barely know the girl and you're trying to qualify her as having genuine interest or being in it for a free meal, but it's another if you've been exclusively dating for two years and you never treat her AND exclude her on a lot of activities, you may just be stingy.

Now, nobody is entitled to anything, but Marc did tell this woman that he wanted to be exclusive with her, and that he felt a special connection with her, so they are boyfriend and girlfriend, and traditionally, people treat each other.

Also, she has a point regarding wealth disparity. If you date someone with more money than you, and they have champagne tastes, good luck keeping up with them and not going broke.

"Oh honey, we're going to the fancy four star restaurant tonight! All the other beta bux men will be paying for their gold-digging whore girlfriends, but YOU will be expected to fork over $500, which is akin to half a month's rent for you, but only a pittance for me! And don't forget to give me gas money for the stretch hummer, and naturally you'll have to tip my valet and butler, since they don't work for free, and it's only fair because the butler did open the door for you!"

There are a lot of people I avoid hanging out with because they like to spend exorbitant amounts of money on things I don't value. Conversely, there have been relationships that extinguished for want of funds.

If you're a wealthy guy, you're going to have to face up to the fact that wealth will ALWAYS be a factor in why women choose to be with you. That's part of the reason you built or preserved the wealth in the first place: to make yourself more marketable in the sexual marketplace. In any case, it is one of the main reasons for generating wealth: as a means of securing the present and creating the future, which also means future generations, aka children.

You can try and hide or downplay your wealth, but that makes you less attractive and competitive, especially if you are older. Rail against it all you want, but it's true. You can downplay it initially for qualification purposes, but as soon as you let a woman into your life, she's going to see that you have nicer things than the average man. That being said, you don't have to let yourself get exploited. If you're strong enough to build wealth, you're also strong enough to put your foot down and say no to unnecessary extravagance.

But I digress. Back to my original point. If you are the wealthier party in a relationship and you're not willing to make token purchases to bolster your partner's esteem, maybe you are just cheap and insensitive. Sure, it was nice that the guy paid for the cat surgery and the funeral, but the woman didn't learn about it until it was too late because he kept it hidden, so she had gradually come to believe that the guy just looked at her as a cheap whore.

[–]1raceAround126 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I have to agree with this post. OK, she did come off a little entitled but after two years... yeah.... there's a little bit of qualification to her entitlement. I mean two years on and not even a weekend away somewhere? That's a little on the mean side...

Put it another way. I make money, I'm not short of a few quid. I relate to a lot of this Marc guy, I have acquaintances and not friends. Mainly as I got burned hard in the past but I have maybe one or two people I would call actual friends who have still fought in my corner despite the world being in the other.

I have plates, FWBs, whatever you call it. I make a point of buying nothing for anyone, split bills, etc. That's a pretty hard and fast rule. Except for one case.

One of those plates is a 20 year old university student. And yeah sure there is an uneven amount of expenditure but then she has been a loyal FWB for over a year now. In fact she knows I see other girls but she (apparently) won't see other guys. I dunno, I guess she knows men can be the jealous type and I think we both know that if she wasn't away during term time we would have given the LTR thing a go. The difference with her is she doesn't act like a bitch and every time she comes to stay brings a rather impressive swag bag of obscure black metal.

It's not like I'm putting her through university, she doesn't have my credit card and I'm not buying her a car or any of that shit. But I know she's broke as fuck paying out on uni fees and stupid amounts on rent. So I really don't mind stumping up for the odd gig ticket or when she comes down on a weekend to have whatever she wants from my fridge as I know she pretty much lives on beans on toast. This is a conversation we have had before, there is an income disparity but we're cool with it. This Marc guy sounds like he just needed to do more on the comfort zone stuff.

The trick is there is a certain amount of give and take. OK, this Marc dude paying for this girl's father's funeral was generous but a bit meaningless if the girl didn't know at all. And that is one part of the story I have trouble with. The post says that Marc pays for the funeral and swears the girl's Mother to absolute secrecy. Yeah, bullshit. Women talk - especially Mother and Daughter. I would have given it a week before that special Mother/Daughter bond would have taken hold and the conversation would have been like "Hold on to him, honey! He is fucking loaded. You best be giving that boy anal!" In what world does a Mother keep some rich boy's secret over the well-being of her daughter? None, that's what. Unless the Mom was after some herself.

We all talk about comfort zones but equal splits. There is an art to finding that balance.

[–]TheSchnozzberry 29 points30 points  (31 children)

Ok I'll play Angel's Advocate. No where in the post does it talk about his champange tastes when it came to dates. She even talks about how no one would know he has money by his demeanor or dress (unless you know about obscure fashion designer clothes and can spot them without looking at the label).

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the times they went out to eat he took her somewhere nice but not fancy. I'm going to go out on another limb and say that he probably got her really nice gifts for holidays and birthdays.

She also stated he doesn't care what other people think of him and that he made his money early in life selling his business. His reasons for that probably weren't along the lines of 'with this cash I will slay pussy' and more along the lines of 'now I have the disposable income to live my life exactly how I want to.'

When looking for a partner he probably mistakenly assumed that this girl was different. That she echoed some part of him and she would get him. He probably (wrongfully) assumed that because she agreed with his stance on the relationship she was an independent person with an ego so sensitive that her self esteem would crash because he didn't spend his money on her. He probably assumed she regulated her self esteem that same way he did.

He treated her like a true feminist would want to be treated-utterly equal, without compromise.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I concur.

I mean, we're debating in a fucking sub that constantly brings up the fact that true happiness for a woman is only possible if she has a superior male in her life who finances her so she can stay at home and raise kids and that deep-down women just love to be taken care of, yet we hold it against them when that actually happens?

The problem isn't women wanting tingles from guys or wanting to be taken care of, the problem is when they compartmentalize the two and look for them in separate persons.

[–]Temuzjin 7 points8 points  (1 child)

To be fair, he said very early on in the relationship that he didn't want kids, didn't want a marriage, would remain independent and would keep their bank accounts separate. She proceeded with the relationship anyway despite clearly wanting a lot more from him than that. She's not blameless here.

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[–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If he wasn't rich, the kind of guy she described would be deemed "creep loner" by society.

[–]Magnum256 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Haha she made an "Update #2" https://archive.is/odNHc

The boyfriend dumped her ass and now she's calling him toxic and getting back together with her highschool sweetheart "Jeff" lol.

I’m just realizing how toxic my relationship with Marc was and how I neglected my old friends because of my emotional struggle; and before anybody says it: No, Jeff is not Marc’s replacement, we are just catching up as we both have been super busy the past year; add to the fact that he thought that Marc’s attitude didn’t fit me and my ideals of a relationship from the start, I think we have a lot to talk about and work out our past issues with each other. I have lost my boyfriend but I wont lose Jeff and Sabrina as a result of all this drama. Wish me strength reddit, I’ll definitely need it.

[–]strategos_autokrator 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It is so obvious she mentions jeff because she knows Marc is reading and she wants him to feel jealous.

[–]DIDNT_READ_YOUR_SHIT 10 points10 points [recovered]

Some good comments in that post actually. This guy is amazing.

He sounds like a pretty cool dude. I totally would want to meet him and hang out some time. You keep saying you aren't a gold digger, but clearly you equate a man spending money on you with your self-worth. Forty years ago this would have been common and even acceptable, however, today in our culture of "equality" women have no right to expect men to buy them a GD thing. Now you should expect to pay your way. Of course, you want him to buy you stuff (but you aren't a gold digger). That says that deep down you feel like he's less than you are. That he should be paying you for the privilege of being in your life. And that my dear makes you a gold digger.

"and that, my dear makes you a gold digger"

☐ Not rekt

☑ Rekt

[–]let_terror_reign 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That guy is a redpiller lol. /u/JeanValjean1970 I've seen here several times

[–]ReasonFreak 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Wealthy, aloof, disappears for a month at a time, it sounds like she was dating Batman.

[–]Mattpilf 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Nothing wrong with Marc as a person, but it's clear she'd never be family to him. He didn't want companionship for life. She'll never be on that same level. It's not just that he doesn't want a gold digger, he doesn't want to deal a marriage. He doesn't want an equal, he doesn't want someone who's gonna take a bullet for him. He really just wants FWB, maybe some minor intamacy. Honestly there's a high chance he'd end a relationship in 10-20 years because of boredum or lose of looks.

She's right that he doesn't care enough about her, in the sense that she wants something he'll never give. She wants a partner who treats her as equal and as one unit, she wants marriage level commitment, but that's not what he wants, and he's not budging.

The problem is less of "she's a gold digger." and more "she's dense and doesn't understand ' he does NOT want to have any children EVER, does NOT want to get married EVER and he plans to stay independent with separate flats/bank accounts etc.' means". He doesn't want a wife, he doesn't want a life partner, he doesn't want a 'better half' and he made that clear. She's just too self centered to realize they want two different things, and he's made that abundantly fucking clear.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's not a gold-digger, what she is is out of her depth. Her only way to parse this situation was her hamster, and it wasn't enough.

[–]Rougepellet 7 points8 points  (2 children)

These women are fucking idiots. When they come across a great catch like this guy, they let their hamster, hypergamy, etc fuck it up for them. She doesn't realize what a catch she had, especially with her time running out. She isn't worthy of him, hope the wall hits hard and fast. It will be a good spectacle.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Guys, that's another troll post.

The whole story sounds rather unlikely in itself, and then - after 2 years of having been together - within 7 freaking days and a day after breaking up, she suddenly finds out that her stingy boyfriend has been the mysterious benefactor who kept her family afloat. Her mother never told her that before, but suddenly brought this up after they separated? Seriously?

To me, it sounds more like a semi-elaborate drama or a cautionary tale with the morals "see girls, that's what you get from expecting too much from a man, even though he was a super-great guy all along! He'll leave and your family will fall into crushing poverty; because you selfishly wanted him to spend money on you, yet took his far greater contributions for granted, didn't even register them. Ha, that'll show ya!"

[–]TheRedTrader 4 points5 points  (2 children)

My BS detector didn't start ringing until the update post, I completely agree that its a troll post. I actually think we have got some good discussion in this thread though so overall not a bad submission.

[–]rockumsockumrobots 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's sad that we have today's legal and gender relations climate. If we lived in an "oppressive patriarchy" this man would be a Lord (or some comparable class), sire 2 or 3 healthy kids, teach the boys to be men and hire a midwife for a girl to learn to be a proper lady.

Instead, this man's greatness will die with him, the woman will become a cat lady, or flush her genetics down the toilet with the next idiot to come along and have the state raise the kids.

Oh well, Enjoy the Decline as they say. One day a bright mind in the horde of genetic waste that wanders the future earth will have a brief flash of admiration for the greatness of those that have been lost.

[–]clawjelly 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love how smart the guy demask her with that little question:

"Do you feel jelous i paid that vacation for my sister?"

Any mature person without gold-digger-syndrom would have said "No, i'm happy for her!" But this is a phrase no greedy person will EVER get over the lips. Of course she was "disappointed"... Gold-digger-checkmate!

[–]gamefuck 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's funny when women don't realise they're a plate.

[–]pdtrading 6 points7 points  (1 child)

God this was an incredible post! Thank you for taking the time and sharing both articles and the synopsis to it. I mean damn, talk about fucking ALPHA WIDOWED! This guy is such a fucking TRP posterboy that it is incredible. Im not only inspired by his actions and thought process, it is so much more endearing to hear it from the womans perspective. To understand that all things don't last, and that you should always be true to you and maintain your frame. To be so detached is incredible.

[–]pdtrading 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that no man will ever match up to this guy. On top of that, she will always end up comparing for the next beta guy and she will never be satisfied, while that next guy eventually becomes rp himself.

[–]anti_erection_man 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Damn, and I'm here thinking that I'm the only sociopathic fucking asshole that considers the vast majority of "friends' just acquaintances that are really not worth anything.

[–]TheLolomancer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Friends come in two categories: Brothers and Tools. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to cover up the fact that they have none of the former.

[–]Tom_The_Human 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is pretty much the female version of the friendzone.

[–]B0u1dA 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Alpha widow coming through

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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

LOL at women.

That's the TL;DR of everything.

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[–]prodigy2throw 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The birth of an alpha widow

[–]sendmepicsofyourbutt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I used to watch Maury, now I just come here.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is my favorite part:

He also told me that he’s despising cheaters (be it men or women;) in a relationship and if I would ever have an affair he would walk away within a minute and not bat an eye no matter how long we were together or how great our relationship was. I was a bit baffled with all the honesty but at the same time thought it was maybe a bit of insecurity talking so I didn’t think much of it.

So, a guy who dumps is cheating gf does so because he's insecure. It's amazing how deep the hamster is ingrained in today's society.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Surprising the guy never had to endure one of her pregnancy "scares".

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sad individual with deep psychological issues

Oh, yeah. Look at him being so sad with his hard-earned wealth that he rightfully spends on himself. A man who doesn't give a fuck about other people's opinions and only does what he wants without anything holding him back. Yeah, so sad... for them that they can't live like that.

[–]Magnum256 6 points7 points  (2 children)

if you go against the grain of „traditional expectations“ you will be labelled as psychotic, crazy, immature and dismissed as sad individual with deep psychological issues.

It's extremely easy to get this kind of label by the majority of society if you do anything that doesn't conform to social norms. If you speak out against the idiocy of marriage, or have unorthodox opinions regarding relationships, health, socialization, finance (believe in acquiring at any cost, or completely disregarding it) or any other outside-the-box mentality, you can and often will get labeled as strange or disturbed. The rest of your composure (confidence, physical attractiveness) will determine if that label means complete ostracization, or just considered to be that 'kind of cool but strange guy'.

This is of course due to how society is structured. Everything the average person does is reinforced by government and media to be considered normal, because it's in the benefit of a consumerist society to have people that are predictable and habitual doing things predictably and repeatedly. We're all meant to go to college, get a job, pay our taxes, and spend whatever's left on acquiring a house, car, nice clothes, family, and surrounding ourselves with people doing the exact same thing without question or qualm, and if you step outside that agenda you're labeled as abnormal and it can become a constant internal struggle to live with when everyone around you is making it clear that you aren't like them and that not being like them is somehow inherently wrong.

[–]let_terror_reign 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This guys is a god. I read the updates, he's something I aspire to - like a Hank Rearden kind of guy. Does his own thing, gives no fucks, plays no games, but when push comes to shove he paid for her dad's funeral and the cat's operation.
I feel sorry for her. He's a champ, he'll be fine. She missed out on something great, poor kid.

After reading OP's update, I think you got it exactly right. He was willing to do a kind and generous thing but wanted to keep it anonymous so it doesn't influence their relationship or have the mom feel indebted to him. (So basically the exact opposite of what others were speculating about him wanting to influence the mom and how he planned it all out as some kind of controlling strategy.) In a way, it seems like Marc is the guy who sees this situation the most clearly and really, we can judge him all we want for avoiding attachment or doing things the way he wants, but he's living life by his rules and he's not hurting anyone by doing so. He responsibly broke it off with OP as soon as he knew it was going to hurt her because of fundamental differences in what she wanted vs what he wanted. He's not trying to be anything other than what he was, and he told her what he was and what he expected. I think people are just thrown because we come into these threads and relationships with so many ideas and expectations of what "normal" people want already, and we make so many value judgments about what is or isn't ok in terms of attachment, love, emotions, family, marriage, kids, everything. It's like the same value shock when someone who really wants kids goes into childfree or something.

Best answer in the thread. People are getting smarter, or we're infiltrating everywhere. This is sensible, fair and empathetic but not placating in the least to anyone's sensibilities.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This comment sums it up

I think Marc's decision to keep his generosity towards your family hidden from you was a mistake that kept him from being able to properly communicate in your love language, and since he's reading this right now I hope he learns not to do so in the future.

Did you read that "communicate in your love language." I.e. gifts and pretty things = love.

[–]ChadThundercockII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They locked the post. Faggot mods.

[–]strategos_autokrator 8 points9 points  (1 child)

She just posted another update.


It is amazing how in it she both expresses resentment for him ending it,

told me in two sentences that this relationship has no future and he isn’t interested in pursuing things any further; be it platonic friendship or anything else: so he basically told me to get lost. What a nice first reply that was….

but also she then at the ends somehow hamsters it out that she ended it with him.

Ended it with Marc

Oh, and she mentions a beta orbiter she is turning too already.

No, Jeff is not Marc’s replacement, we are just catching up as we both have been super busy the past year; add to the fact that he thought that Marc’s attitude didn’t fit me and my ideals of a relationship from the start, I think we have a lot to talk about and work out our past issues with each other.

Update: Some of the comments of users are fucking incredibly open about she being entitled to his money:

I think Marc's decision to keep his generosity towards your family hidden from you was a mistake that kept him from being able to properly communicate in your love language,

So is this user saying that her love language is Money??

Him being the secret benefactor behind your back while playing the whole lone wolf thing felt super pedantic.

So he shouldn't have made her look bad for being generous and not needing recognition for it?

At least this user warns her about becoming an Alpha Widow:

Although, in the future, try not to think about Marc and compare your future bfs/husbands to him or how rich he was or the things he could afford etc.

[–]Mjazz3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not all the commentators take the OP's side. Some guy with the ID: JeanValjean197o really gives it to her, and her enablers.

[–]GiskardReventelov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post was inspiring in striving to become like this guy one day.

[–]ashrobb 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He sounds like a pretty cool dude. I totally would want to meet him and hang out some time.

I'm exactly like him in regards to my views on friendship. I really don't have or want many friends. I have quite a few acquaintances and I can be very social, but otherwise I do my own things and DGAF about society or gossip, or celebrity garbage.

You keep saying you aren't a gold digger, but clearly you equate a man spending money on you with your self-worth. Forty years ago this would have been common and even acceptable, however, today in our culture of "equality" women have no right to expect men to buy them a GD thing. Now you should expect to pay your way.

Of course, you want him to buy you stuff (but you aren't a gold digger). That says that deep down you feel like he's less than you are. That he should be paying you for the privilege of being in your life. And that my dear makes you a gold digger. The fact that you aren't actually getting paid just means you are an unsuccessful gold digger.

I give this guy mad props for being both upfront with you and keeping his word. It's rare to find people who don't flip flop on issues or change their view whenever the wind blows the wrong way.

He's steady, honest, treats you well, is financially stable, obviously attractive to you, and according to you is perfect in every way that is important, but since he won't buy you stuff you feel neglected and betrayed.

In sum, you have no reason to be unhappy.

You are getting exactly what you were promised and agreed to. You have no right to expect to be bought with gifts and vacations (didn't the feminists claim men owned women like property?). By this very Reddit post you are proving that you can't keep your word and are untrustworthy. You want to renegotiate the deal you made with him in a way that is more advantageous to you without any regard or concern about how it may make him feel.

Women like you are the reason why men don't want to get married. You change the rules and the agreements at whim and when you can't get what you want you bail our and cash out.

Here's a tip for you. Why don't you try equating your self-worth to your achievements and the good things you do in the world rather than whether you can get some guy to buy you shit.

Finally, your boyfriend doesn't need to ask you for permission to go on a trip. You aren't his mother or his wife. You aren't even his life partner. You are a woman who has agreed to sexual exclusivity and that is all you are.

He cares for you but only in the context of the relationship you both agreed to. Yet, you expect him to do more than what was promised.

You should be proud that he keeps his word and is so reliable. But you aren't and that shows that it's really you who doesn't care about him.

You care about yourself and expect him to serve you.

This was an outstanding reply in the original thread. 10/10

[–]getRedPill 4 points5 points  (1 child)

being the “rich benefactor”.

The other thing that almost made me throw up was when I learned that he paid for the funeral

Let's put this straight. She says she's a "Strong Independent wymyn" and not a gold digger, but she gets upset by silly things like splitting the tab, besides the fact he told her she isn't getting his money since the beginning.

Then she sees him as cheap and not caring too much about her, because of this decides to end up the relationship (and he responded very well to her move that she got backslapped).

This is when she learns he' s not that uncaring about her because he paid for cat and her dad's funeral. This is when she instead of recognizing him as a charitable good hearted man sees him as beta instead and get pukes.

Bitches that's why you can't have anything good in life, never.

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