You won't know when she cheats. (self.TheRedPill)

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There are men who think women are wonderful, that their girl wouldn't stray, and if she did cheat then they would sense it.

These men are wrong. She won't act guilty. She won't feel bad. In her mind, she did nothing wrong.

I've been in cabs with married women (after fucking) who shush me while they call their husbands to check on kids. Heard stories from another woman about her elaborate plans for her husbands surprise birthday party while gleefully getting pounded by yours truly. These women don't hate their husbands like Hollywood tells us. They consider them "best friends".

What does this mean for us?

1 Do not get married

2 You can't expect fidelity from a woman, it's just your turn, act accordingly.

3 if this post makes you upset then you don't yet understand the true nature of women.

[–]TRPShill 650 points651 points  (129 children)

Proverbs 30:20 - "This is the way of an adulterous woman; she eats, and wipes her mouth, and says, I have done no wickedness"

Dudes had this shit figured out 2000 years ago

[–][deleted] 235 points236 points  (76 children)

Men invented marriage to try and lock down pussy. They hoped vows before God and community would keep her faithful.

Nope, it can't be done

[–]TRPShill 146 points147 points  (37 children)

This was the beauty of Small communities though.

Some 80% of women believe in astrology.

When you have The pressure of actually believing you will go to hell eternally + Community regulating & gossiping about women's behavior, it's way more effective.

The more anonymity a woman has, the quicker she'll be to hop on strange cock.

Christianity was invented to provide guidelines for a society, and a lot of that involved warning men about the nature of women, as well as trying to scare their hypergamy + AF/BB model out of them

[–]Captain_Unremarkable 58 points59 points  (14 children)

The rules about women submitting to their husbands, not speaking in church, and not being interacted with when menstruating, and more is precisely for this reason.

[–]Oh_FuFu 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Also not to forget about Polygamy.. Women and men had it different back in the day. Women were taught they could be replaced and so were men.

Why else do you think it was such a common thing for a person to have multiple wives? Women would rather share a balanced-natural Alpha than to lose him for good.

This shit also kept us in check. How else would these men be having multiples of wives without being alphas and dominant, passing shit tests with flying colors and some more?

[–]druganswer 19 points19 points [recovered]

multiple wives = built in dread, competition, and abundance.

[–]Hoodwink 16 points17 points  (9 children)

not being interacted with when menstruating

Holy shit. You're probably right. They probably did notice that women would hop on alpha cock when menstruating as science shows now. They probably weren't icked about period blood (everything was dirty as hit back then). The ancient books have a ton of small pieces of wisdom in their rules.

[–]1rp-oldgame 42 points43 points  (5 children)

They go for alphas when ovulating, not menstruating. Ovulation is approximately 9 to 14 days after the start of menstruation. After ovulation about 14 more days pass, and then menstruation begins again.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Incidentally, if u keep track of her ovulation cycle you can make better decisions on when to go raw.

I know, safest to always wrap it, but don't lie, there's lots of dudes who raw dog it on the regular.

Sex with a woman entails risk no matter what. Risk management is key

[–]Hoodwink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, my mistake.

Then, perhaps, they made sure the feelings of alpha are essentially confirmed in their partner rather than feeding 'weak' beta qualities with constant comfort tests and the like.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I feel that it was probably more of a hygiene/don't use all the water cleaning up thing.

[–]thredditsowaway 14 points15 points  (2 children)

ALL religions were invented to provide guidelines for societies, and ALL of them have some kind of marriage tradition. Not a coincidence.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

People who are interested in this kind of topic should check out dark enlightenment subreddit.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (7 children)

Some 80% of women believe in astrology.

I'm not sure that that's true. Do you have a source? This poll from 2005 says that in the US, 23% of men and 28% of women believe in astrology.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's been my experience that women are more prone to "magical thinking" than man. If not astrology, it's "positive thinking" or "karma" or whatever else mystical woo makes them feel less responsible for a) having to know how things actually work, or b) for the good or bad that happens in their life.

[–]TRPShill 1 point2 points  (2 children)

huh. I read 80 percent somewhere. It may be a statistic only for a certain age group. granted, I cant count how many girls Ive spoken to who will say that when asked, but have their sign in their profile and repost horoscopes all the time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't surprise me if that number was much higher for women in their teens and twenties. I've had the same experience as you, they seem to be everywhere. I also tend to meet women who say that "everything happens for a reason." Maybe it's the kind of women I attract? shrug

If you find a breakdown by age, let me know.

[–]TRPShill 1 point2 points  (1 child)


Here we go! I was wrong. But, there is a big disparity in the gender distribution of who believes in it

[–]bowie747 19 points20 points  (7 children)

My buddies and I have been trying astrology as ice breakers with girls. THAT SHIT GETS THEM YAPPING AND BOUNCY 100% OF THE TIME. It's actually unbelievable.

oh so you're a Leo? Yeah I'm a Taurus we have a very hot and cold interaction you know? Like very passionate and fiery, but also very dangerous..

yeah...I'm actually on the cusp. Some say that means I'm super lucky, I did actually win a small town lottery in my hometown of insert small country town before I moved to this big city

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 28 points29 points  (5 children)

"You're such a capricorn" is an opener I have used for years. You can apply it whenever a girl does/says anything that is slightly unsual. Its a great hook. You can twist whatever they say/do into categorising them out loud. They dont like this and try to prevent you from doing it, leading to lots of teasing. Very powerful stuff. The sort of thing that could only work on a woman

[–]nillotampoco 30 points31 points  (4 children)

I cannot imagine myself saying these sorts of things, just can't.

Seems too ridiculous, even if women do eat heaping helpings of it up.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

That's exactly what a capricorn would say.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Oh I say it without believing it. I dont know anything at all about horoscopes. I just bullshit, and they can usually tell that I am. Its a great way to filter out stupid women (stupid women take it literally, smart women play along and try to challenge you). You put the girl on her toes as she has to guess if you are serious or not.

Just maintain frame and keep talking as if you are serious. Do not show ANY indication that you are kidding, as that is weak. You display confidence, creativity, social savviness and build rapport with them. And its low effort - very few words needed & its easy to get her talking the majority of the time to you even when she hardly nows you. Indirectly you are testing hr rather than the other way around.

Nearly all of my one night stands come from me bullshitting continuously in this way. Building rapport while remaining mysterious gives tingles fast

[–]nillotampoco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True man, you justify it well as a great small talk / rapport tool.

Might just have to give it a whirl.

[–]Scymnus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You might want to consider a career in sales.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've been using that shit for years, something to talk to her about that will get her thinking the way I want her to think. The way I want her to think is imagining being fucked by me. Gets her going and they're all into it at least a little.

[–]FatGirlsInPartyHats 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The more anonymity a woman has, the quicker she'll be to hop on strange cock.

This is why I believe that the camera enabled cell phone and Facebook (internet in general) are the worst things to happen to monogamy in human history.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right, and modern day religions do the same thing through Burkas, and fear of acid attacks. Which is a weaker form of control because it's direct and physical. Western christianity was kind to women and it was based on dread game. All they had to do was support their man and he would support her lifestyle and children. If they cheated they could be forgiven instead of stoned to death, but they still had eternal punishment if they didn't confess and repent to God. All the evil that has been tied to western Christianity actually came from the physical actions of the east.

[–]thefisherman1961 28 points29 points  (10 children)

If the threat of eternal damnation can't stop hypergamy, then nothing can.

[–]ItsCold_ItsCold 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Spending eternity in hell for Chad's cock was a good deal apparently.

[–]itsbooming 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Lol it didn't stop the first woman alive when God himself said:

Ok guys, you can live forever here in paradise. You will never worry about food, or the weather or anything really. Just do not fuck with the fruit on that tree.

She walked right up to it,and offered it to adam.

An old black truck driver once told me "Adam didn't lead Eve into that Garden, he followed her lead".

Looking back it's hard to blame a man for not originating the Hard Next when the pussy was literally the only pussy on earth.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

hahah Adam did not have abundance mentality.

[–]yaardi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wonder how religious women hamster their cheating.

[–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus already saved them, so they're good.

[–]Captain_Unremarkable 3 points4 points  (21 children)

Are you sure women didn't invent marriage? It make more sense for them. They arguably get the better deal.

They hit menopause, and their main biological contribution to the partnership is over. Men still have to provide protection, usually for decades more thanks to modern medicine.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 18 points19 points  (9 children)

Monogamous marriage with the obligation (for the woman) to be a virgin before someone puts a ring on you is definitely a guy's deal.

Just because in modern times it has become an institution that's built around the priorities of women doesn't mean it has always been like that.

[–]alexistheman 12 points13 points  (4 children)

True story: prior to the mid-20th century, weddings were far more solemn and less elaborate affairs that largely focused on the religious union of the couple. The bridezilla shit you see now would have never have flown, because the Church would never have tolerated such excess.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The bridezilla shit you see now would have never have flown, because the Church would never have tolerated such excess.

No, most people couldn't afford to blow a bazillion dollars on weddings, only the nobility could (and these weddings were pretty wasteful events). However, with enough families having enough "somewhat-disposable" income these days, plenty of girls feel that they're entitled to their princess-wedding.

[–]Scott_WWS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I disagree completely. In the West, the bride is the center of the show and makes all the rules. In the East, the priest is the center of the show and makes all the rules. The bride is just along for the ride.

[–]Polaris382 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That might be a bit debatable...there's a reason the MAN got the dowry from the woman's family.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The bride was given the dowry because she was added to the husband's household. It was an accessory, so she didn't have to go blank.

[–]Philhelm 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And all of this time, I had thought it was because the father was happy to finally get rid of the bitch.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, he probably was happy because having a spinster nobody wanted in your home wasn't a particular source of pride in most cultures.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (9 children)

Most women died before menopause in the old world. Sure there were queens and nobles which lived into their 70's but the mean age even when factoring in infant and child mortality was pretty low. Not many lived into thier late 40's. The concept of the average person living into their 50's/60's etc is relatively new in human history.

generally life was just too hard with no medicine for the ill, no food security for the majority and more exposure to harsh conditions.

Now we all live with a supermarket a few miles away we get to in a steel chariot which requires minimal effort to control and medicine which has really cured all but the worse illnesses and conditions.

Cancer is an illness of aging most of the time (exposure cancers aside). When people are dying of cancer it's generally because their genes were not meant to live that long.

[–]chinawinsworlds 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I disagree. Many people grew old, but the gigantic number of babies dying brought the average age down.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Before the agricultural revolution, humans were healthier and longer lived (once you factor out youth mortality and violence). Take the Inuit for example. Before adopting western diet, they were renown for their resilience and longevity in a crazy harsh environment.

The transition away from hunter gatherer to grain farming, and concentration into unsanitary cities resulted in elevated disease and mortality, and almost 10% reduction in height and brain size.



[–]other_worlds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Especially in this day and age, when the holy books are cherry picked by most all religions and "community" can be changed nearly entirely by moving five miles down the road.

I'm not pining for the days of 2000 years ago. Marriage is the end-all-be-all for some people, without realizing it's a temporary contract at best, with terms that can't be enforced or that are even respected by society anymore.

[–]Assassin1476 76 points77 points  (34 children)

We've invented technology beyond our wildest imaginations. Men have flown in the sky like Icarus, sent men to other planets, discovered that we revolve around the sun and not the other way around, harnessed the power to damn near destroy all life on this plant like that of a god, turn chemicals and elements into grand things like alchemist......as far as we've come, we have digressed in learning how to maintain our relationships with women and keep these hoes in check. Something men were able to do easily 2000 years ago.

Ain't that crazy?

[–]RP15 36 points37 points  (26 children)

We really need to get our shit together.

[–]Assassin1476 54 points55 points  (23 children)

We will. As I said before the undercurrent of resentment towards women is getting fucking real and you're really starting to see it. 2015 has been a complete shit show with all these ridiculous false rape cases, mattress hoe, university fuck ups, cat calling video's and everything else. So in 5-10 years, the backlash is going to get heavy and start quickly pulling in the red pill direction as a whole because men are being fed up. You're really starting to see it. Even a lot of women are getting fed up because bitches is just fucking it up for everyone so women who want no part in this type of nonsense are getting pulled into the shit show as well.

As the saying goes, history repeats itself. Remember the Salem Witch Trials? When bitches were crying wolf and pretending ultra hard and accusing innocent people of being witches and servants of the devil for shitz and giggles? Lot of people got fucked over and lost their lives but that shit got put to a stop with the quickness once it got truly out of hand and the important people who in no way, shape or form could have been witches were getting accused. Same thing here. This nonsense is getting completely out of control so I see what direction this is all moving.

That's why I'm not tripping at all and just sitting here eating popcorn like Michael Jackson in Thriller, smiling and laughing away because I know how this movie is going to end.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Remember the Salem Witch Trials? When bitches were crying wolf and pretending ultra hard and accusing innocent people of being witches and servants of the devil for shitz and giggles?

Totally off-topic: Personally, I have the theory that among those who fell victim to the witch hunts were some "real" witches. I.e. women who were convinced that they actually were witches.

I mean, we're living in the modern age where it's hip to not believe in sorcery and where most stuff can be explained by science and still we have some narcissistic special snowflakes who adhere to a Wiccan belief or some other neo-pagan BS and truly and sincerely believe they're witches (and they aren't even dumb as a rock, but can be quite intelligent) - how pervasive do you think were these beliefs pre-enlightenment when people still believed in the supernatural? A woman who was adhering to some residual beliefs in nature religions and truly thought she had some real mojo (and enough people eating it up)? I mean, if these weirdos exist today, who says they didn't exist in far greater numbers in the Middle Ages?

[–]GlansInYourHands 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Off topic as well, but I remember reading somewhere that the grain they grew in Salem/New England was particularly susceptible to a fungus that when consumed, had hallucinogenic properties. The theory is that some of the women who had eaten the tainted wheat experienced "visions" and mistakenly thought they had become possessed and were subsequently labeled as witches.

EDIT: Found a link. Apparently it was ergot that infected the rye: http://www.neatorama.com/2012/10/15/Salem-Witch-Trials-The-Fungus-Theory/

[–]Captain_Unremarkable 15 points16 points  (17 children)

Every social movement is a pendulum, and that pendulum swings. With how extreme feminism has become combined with the SJW and genderqueer movements, you better believe it's starting to swing back toward the much maligned cause of straight males having rights.

[–]Timmytanks40 17 points18 points  (15 children)

It's not going back. I'm sorry but this trajectory is terminal. Unless you're talking about a global catastrophe literally putting us back in the the bronze age there's no reason to believe any sort of dramatic swing back to our old status quo will ever occur again.

Modern medicine will perfect beeding without male involvement within this century (conservative estimate). The need for men isn't there anymore. Honestly it's not that heartbreaking. For me personally I won't see much if any of it so I couldn't care less.

If you're reserving some hope that we'll see a back swing I have to ask what concrete evidence you see. College admissions? Social restructuring? Collective female self regulation? No no no .. were just lucky men still do the heavy lifting and math but soon the computing age will come for us and few will survive.

[–]reddymcwoody 18 points19 points  (11 children)

All social trends at cyclical, they may not start and end at the same point but don't doubt the cyclical nature. Case in point: Sweden has been accepting every immigrant and their Muslim mother for the past 15 years, it is now the rape capital of the world, people got fed up and now the anti-immigration party is now the largest political party in Sweden.

[–]Timmytanks40 10 points11 points  (7 children)

That's thinking too small. Look at the larger picture. Not just social order. Look at life, economy, as well as social organization.

The labor requirement filled by men isn't there anymore. We don't need heavy lifters and if we do women will strap on an exosuit and a machine will help her. We don't need to swing a sword. Wars don't happen and of they do it's the pull of a trigger. We don't need a men to drive 18wheelers. We don't need anyone to run a tractor. Combines are a day away from complete automony. I'm sure you could run one from your IPad.

The modern male is being downsized. It's to everyone's benefit so far but eventually both men and women won't be very necessary. Luckily for the ladies(top tier) an artificial womb is much fit her off in the horizon.

Social changes may be cyclical but this is a COMPLETE PARADIGM SHIFT. We are at the cusp an industrial revolution level event. Elbow grease isn't that valuable anymore

[–]reddymcwoody 12 points13 points  (4 children)

So what are you saying? The the imbalance of power will continue to exponentially grow until the best 100 men are factory farmed for their sperm in some basement while women finger and scissor each other in their virtual reality headsets?
Nah, inequality can only go so far. Feminism isn't going to be able to achieve the aforementioned scenario.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Women still and always will want men

Once they piss them off enough to lose too many of them it will start to swing back

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A planet won't bitch about stupid shit and technology won't blame you for its mistakes

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Hypergamy is part of mother natures plan to improve the species. The problem aint that bitches aint loyal, but that we expect them to be

[–]Assassin1476 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I get that part. Got no problem with the true nature of women. I have a problem with the system that supports women in going out of their way to be lazy pieces of shit with a ocean full of problems and fuck ups that I got to deal with, and me having to fight against the swarms of white knights, beta bux and so called femenist who want to defend this overly inflated, entitled, shitty behavior.

[–]FatGirlsInPartyHats 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Goddamn you nailed that perfectly.

[–]NPK5667 5 points6 points  (2 children)

We havent sent people to other planets yet

[–]Assassin1476 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I meant to say probes and other shit.

[–]FinallyRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think these great achievements are precisely what causes us to bury our heads about women. We believe in some notion of 'progress' of fixing all things we don't like. But you can't fix women, only make a choice as to whether you'll play their game.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 17 points18 points  (0 children)

What a great euphemism. "eats" "wipes mouth" . . . .

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Solomon was more like 3000 years ago. Dude had 700 wives. I'd say he knew a thing or two about women.

[–]1jb_trp 18 points19 points  (3 children)

700 wives and 300 concubines. Ironically, his many wives were his undoing, because they turned his heart away from his God to the many foreign gods his wives worshiped. According to the Bible, that was his ultimate downfall.

Shit test failed.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ecclesiastes 7:28: "Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one [honest] man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found."

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ecclesiastes 7:26: "And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her."

[–]moose_war 161 points162 points  (19 children)

The difference between men and women cheating is that women are not only better at it, but women are better at convincing themselves and their friends that actually, they didn't really cheat because XYZ.

[–]BannedBandit 67 points68 points  (15 children)

And it's available to them all the time... Allowing it to "just happen".

If a man wants to cheat, it likely has to be more deliberate and premeditated.

Women always have guys pounding on the door to their pussy.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 61 points62 points  (10 children)

Doesn't matter how ugly, fat, or bitchy she is either, someone out there is desperate enough to want to fuck her and will do whatever it takes to shag that nasty odiferous mooseknuckle.

Your "oh fuck no, not even with my worst enemy's dick" is some other guys "holy shit that's hot"

[–]idontwanttostart 7 points8 points  (4 children)

"Odiferous" ...that shit is my worst nightmare

[–]evileddy 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Do you do the finger test?

You finger the gal and bring your fingers to HER mouth.. if she doesn't suck them.. leave.

[–]idontwanttostart 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Goddamn. That's some medieval shit right there...Imma try it.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always thought "mooseknuckle" was the male analog to the woman's camel toe. Could be wrong.

[–]1jb_trp 16 points17 points  (0 children)

women are better at convincing themselves and their friends that actually, they didn't really cheat because XYZ.

The power of the female hamster is incredible (solipsism). I've had breakups with women and then months later reconnected with them, and their understanding of the events were opposite of what really happened.

And (surprise) they always end up the victim in their minds.

[–]Vasallo7G 32 points33 points  (0 children)

exactly, women don't lie, they just believe their own bullshit first, then whatever comes out of their mouths no matter how ridiculous its the truth

just like Chris Rocks points out: "Men have a disadvantage when arguing with Women: They have to make sense"

[–]TheReformist94 3 points4 points  (0 children)

so what is the point in not cheating on women? if its just my turn, from a financial/investment point of view, knowing what women are like and having their true nature exposed, only a fool would remain faithful to a women in this day and age and not take a mistress

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 194 points195 points  (36 children)

If I can have sex with a woman for months in her house without realizing she was married and her husband still doesn't realize I (and others, from what I've heard) have been there, this truth doesn't bode well for the marriage of the every man.

Remember, just because she sees an Alpha in you now doesn't mean she will 3 years from now.

Time defeats novelty, no novelty means no intrigue, no intrigue no attraction, no attraction no feel-good stimuli source, no source hypergamy kicks into overdrive.

You can't win against those odds.

[–]drewdontcare 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Time defeats novelty, no novelty means no intrigue, no intrigue no attraction, no attraction no feel-good stimuli source, no source hypergamy kicks into overdrive.

It is as simple as this.Bravo

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 6 points7 points  (6 children)

This is something that really needs to be emphasized far more on this sub (like, SIDEBAR-emphasized): the fact that, no matter how high your SMV, you can never compete with the unknown quantity.

You might be a solid 9, and the random guy hitting her up on social media is maybe an 8 (or at least "appears" to be an 8), but he gets a temporary +2 (or more) bonus for being new and unknown. Now's he's a 10, and you're a 9--he wins, you lose, she's having sex with him, that's it. It's a simple math problem that can never be beaten.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 6 points6 points [recovered]

Time defeats novelty, no novelty means no intrigue, no intrigue no attraction, no attraction no feel-good stimuli source, no source hypergamy kicks into overdrive.

I'm not disagreeing, but don't you think this is a bit overly defeatist?

If you have your shit together, i'm pretty sure you can create tingles/dread/hamster indefinitely. You just need to have your shit together and know the risks you are taking if you decide to LTR/marriage.

[–]Senior Contributorveggie_girl 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Sounds like a lot of work and the only reward is getting to bang the same aging woman indefinitely. Better off not getting married.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Not only is it a lot of work, but doing a great job at it one week does not even save him from the consequences of a bad week. The woman's tingle-memories are so short that the man has to be on his game practically constantly.

[–]Gadnuk_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a point that needs to be mentioned more. Going from hero to zero can be instant.

If you lose frame, she will lose tingles. Period. You can right your wrongs in time but the climb takes more time and effort than the fall.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It's not a matter of getting your shit together. Novelty on all things wears off eventually. Remember how hyped ever one was for the first iPhone? Now they're just another thing. People generally grow accustomed to things very quickly, no matter what that thing may be and especially in today's age of dopamine addiction.

What's worse, marriage is for life.

Women are constantly reassessing their judgement of you and comparing you to the man that enter their perception. No man is the perfect alpha.

Eventually, you're bound to drop frame or do something beta within the years you're married, especially since you live together.

And she will ALWAYS remember that, as women base their perception off of good and bad traits they've witnessed.

What's more, the new men entering their lives have a clean slate, so if they come forth with nothing but positive Alpha traits she’s begin branch swinging to him.

Even if you start out with a high SMV, as soon as you commit, no matter what, your SMV begins to deteriorate. Like a car once it's been driven off the lot.

[–]1james-watson 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Women are constantly reassessing their judgement of you and comparing you to the man that enter their perception. No man is the perfect alpha.

I want to slightly alter this statement. If you read my post below analyzing Christiano Ronaldo's relationship with the weather forecaster girl, my conclusion is that no matter how alpha you are, the novelty will wear off.

It has nothing to do with you acting beta, but of course that'll speed things up. As men, we're always on the lookout for causality, to see if something we did changed the outcome. In truth, when a woman first gets to know you and fucks you like a pornstar those first 6 months, she's clearly already assigned you the label of alpha.

The problem is, she becomes desensitized to your particular stimuli, just like people become desensitized to drugs. In this case, she has to switch to a different drug to experience the same high, because no dosage of that initial drug will do the trick.

I don't know if this is captured in sidebar material, but it is rooted in evolutionary biology. Females have a desire to diversify their genetic portfolio just like we do, but they focus on quality and we focus on quantity. They still want to fuck all of the apex alphas in the world, but its not like men who want to fuck literally every girl above a 6, which is in the billions.

All relationships end, it is a fact of biology. Thats why you hear all this nonsense about how "relationships take work" and you "true love is when lust is gone". No, that's when you're fighting biology trying to get the same high you got 5 yrs ago. It's not gonna happen, but the denial is real.

[–]myschadenfreude 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hell I didn't know until 6 months after my ex was having her husband watch her dogs while she came over to bang. He could since. he still lived there!

[–]TheMGhandi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Scenario: You're at a sluts house and slowly, all the clothes are coming off with no LMR. Nobody knows you're there except for Uber. What do you do?

If a beta male is in this situation (the woman has her agenda), 10 times out of 10 he's getting laid. This is why women are never loyal to beta males because they know deep down that he's not.

If an alpha male is in this situation (the man has his agenda), 10 times out of 10 he's getting laid. This is why women aren't loyal to alpha males either.

Unless you're that rarity of a man who would not succumb to his desires (women can tell if you are), she's going to end up cheating all right. That scenario is the everyday life of an attractive woman and she won't give what she won't get.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Yes, it's an unfortunate truth. With the nature of hypergamy and branch-swinging and the inherent nature or narcissism that is embedded in both, women will always fuck in a way that makes their feeeeelings feeeeeeel right. I'll never trust a woman, ever again.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I trust nobody, women even less, but I trust girls to be girls and they always prove themselves to be exactly that.

[–]FeeFeeFeaster 9 points10 points  (0 children)

they always prove themselves to be exactly that.

If you saw Jackie Brown, Samuel L. Jackson's character says "You can't trust Melanie, but you can always trust Melanie to be Melanie."

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Even if you do find out, she won't fully disclose what she's done, you have to pry it out of her piece by piece - but it's never the full story. I was 'lucky' enough to have a mutual friend with an ex who had full accounts of what had been done behind my back, and it took a huge effort and a thousand denials to get her to admit to the full details (and what about the times when the mutual friend wasn't there?). This was before TRP and I wouldn't even bother with any of that now, but it amazed me that even though I was quite calm and simply wanted her to admit the truth now that I'd caught her, she wouldn't give it up.

Read enough of this sub and you see even the most red pill amongst us are randomly cheated on when their girls got drunk and "it just happened!" It takes a woman with unnatural self control to keep her hypergamy/feels in check, and the fact is most of your LTRs have cheated on you and would do again.

[–]voomer53 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Beware the trickle-truth... they will never admit to the whole enchilada not ever...same as their n-count...don't be fooled...AWALT

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

why even pry? Once you see the trickle-truth, you already know enough to take action, the rest are just details, they won't change the outcome.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because I knew the full truth, told her exactly what I knew, and thought she'd be decent enough to admit to it. But she just acted like a child caught acting out, as you might expect. Like I said this was before TRP so I still cared about her response.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 20 points21 points  (3 children)

If you are honestly uxorious, and devoted to one woman, then bow your head and submit your neck ready to bear the yoke. Never will you find a woman who spares the man who loves her; for though she be herself aflame, she delights to torment and plunder him. So the better the man, the more desirable he be as a husband, the less good by far will he get out of his wife. No present will you ever make if your wife forbids; nothing will you ever sell if she objects; nothing will you buy without her consent. She will arrange your friendships for you; she will turn your now-aged friend from the door which saw the beginnings of his beard. Panders and trainers can make their wills as they please, as also can the gentlemen of the arena; but you will have to write down among your heirs more than one rival of your own.

Juvenal's 6th satire, on women. The rest is even more scathing and I encourage everyone to read it. I'll write up a post for it and go over it briefly in a few days.

[–]Riddick_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not much really changed in the last 2000 years - Looking forward to your post. Make it extra special and add the part about ... "throw the bolt and lock her in.”

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 73 points74 points  (46 children)

She won't act guilty. She won't feel bad. In her mind, she did nothing wrong.

In fact she is likely to stop fucking you or provide barely starfish because, you know, screwing her husband would be cheating on her boyfriend.

I would have to say the post upsets me a little bit but then I never claimed to understand the true nature of women.

[–]exbp 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Or her guilt might make her determined to fuck your brains out that night. Or she might finally allow that threesome you've been hinting at to "make things even". Or she might just give you the old starfish on the usual schedule to deflect any suspicion. Who knows where the hamster wheel might stop?

Point is, you won't know because she won't act like what a man would expect.

[–]TRPKing 19 points20 points  (6 children)

I think this post has to be at least a little upsetting to any man in an LTR. No matter how redpill and realistic a guy is, no matter how alpha and selfassured a man is, just the thought of the possibility of being cheated on is so humiliating, it elicits a visceral fear reaction. Personally, I'm at the top of my game in every aspect of my life, I'm certain I could get another woman in a heartbeat and I would not hesitate for a second to dump my LTR if she cheated, but the thought of my LTR cheating on me is upsetting. I would no doubt overcome it, my happiness is not dependent on any woman, but the betrayal and humiliation would be extremely hurtful. It is a possibility that cannot be eliminated, but must be mitigated, I cannot simply accept that possibility, I must do what I can to avoid that happening to me. Of course we all know how to mitigate that possibility, maintaining an alpha mindset and continuous self improvement.

[–]TheReformist94 4 points5 points  (0 children)

this is a fucking quality reply. no matter how many plates you have, or how on top of your shit, emotionally bonding with someone and them cheating on you fucking hurts. its pointless when people say "oh spin plates" "oh its just oxytocin" "oh its oxytocin withdrawal". yeh cool, well that life is, something, biologically has to give us these feelings, it does matter if its oxytocin or dopamine. the feelings are still genuine. if i shot someones mate, i could just say yeh well get another one, he's 75% water, a pile of cells and his mind is jsut a network of dopamine serotonin and oxytocin. it still hurts.

[–]1james-watson 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The key is to change your mindset. Women LOVE it when their actions affect men. The ultimate nuke in their arsenal is cheating on you during an LTR. If you believe it is humiliating to be cheated on, then you'll be humiliated.

But if, instead, you understand the evolutionary impulses of the fickle female homo sapien brain, then females cheating on you is like a healthy adult suddenly falling dead after a brain aneurysm. It doesn't happen often, but it happens, and you just have to accept that is the nature of complex organisms.

As it goes with women, they will never adhere to what your ideals of them are. They are their own organisms with their own evolved behavioral traits. Nothing you or I can do will change that. That's the ultimate Red Pill. Evolution's will cannot be denied, it is ever present and infinite. To struggle against it or to believe that it can be fought is delusional.

Accept that it happens and focus on enjoying your life on this planet. Never give a female power over you by believing that her behavior in any way reflects you. She is but a traveller who you've allowed to camp with you for a period of time at your discretion. If she breaks your rules, she's out.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an excellent well thought out response

[–]slay_it_forward 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's not just betrayal and humiliation, it's the fact that you've bonded with her and that primal part of you wants to possess her to keep only your sperm shooting into her eggs.

That disgusted, visceral, sick feeling is your body being repulsed by the pair-bonded woman being impregnated by another male.

There is an evolutionary biology professor called David Buss that talks about all these biological phenomenon. His work is very red pill. He has a book on jealousy that says who you are jealous of generally has merit, contrary to what your gf will tell you. Your subconscious was designed to warn you of these things. Pay attention.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why when you know your woman is into a guy you can thwart the attraction by being the opposite of jealous.

Tease her relentlessly about the new "loverboy" and remind her she can test the waters anytime and you will understand. You will be fucking other women by sunset but you don't wanna hold her back

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I disagree on the 'you'll never know' though.

Theres always signs, you just have to be able to see them. GNO every week? sign. Hiding phone? Sign. General change in behaviour for no good reason? Sign.

Just have to take a read through relationships for a while, you'll see all kinds of guys hamstering themselves into the NAWALT attitude professor. I know I bring it up way too much, but the navy is a good experience when people want to see AWALT on hard-mode. Women there play for blood

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (32 children)

Not so sure professor

The impetus for the post was the fact that I met a married plate after work @ hotel and when we were getting dressed she told me that she was meeting her husband to watch the baseball game. Said she promised him sex if the Mets won.

Maybe she just said that to try and incite some jealousy but I actually believe her.

[–]Nazrath2112 12 points13 points  (15 children)

So let me see if I get this straight, you thought up this post because you were fucking some married chick and ALL men wont be able to sense it because some beta fuck did not sense that you were fucking his wife?

I mean hell even a women has more pantomimes than men and you still can't tell?

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (12 children)

I said that this single experience made me think up a post based on a lifetime of experiences.

Are you dim?

[–]philovivero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh dear god the money quote.

"Screwing her husband would be cheating on her boyfriend."

That's some top-shelf knowledge right there.

[–]B_uckets 35 points36 points  (15 children)

Why hasn't anyone started a service where you pay to have some really hot, suave dude try to pick up your girlfriend / wife and record his attempt if he's successful?

I'd pay at least as much as an escort is worth for that.

[–]Dylan_Tnga 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Why are we not funding this?

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Because.... Its just my fucking turn. You can not expect fidelity, why force infedility? Enjoy yourself first and foremost and keep moving.

[–]BewareOfDropbears 62 points63 points  (26 children)

She's not "yours" lads, it's just your turn.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (25 children)

Bang on. I've been with way too many girls who have husbands or boyfriends to think any woman would be faithful to me.

[–]ben0wn4g3 16 points17 points  (24 children)

Could this not be confirmation bias?

[–]Justlikeus 9 points9 points [recovered]

Yea you have to wonder what caliber of women some guys are going with. All the guys at my old workplace would think so and so is smoking hot and nice. I meet her, she's a 6 and kinda snarky. Some guys just have low standards and don't know it

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (18 children)

Take this attitude: "you are probably not the first guy to fuck her and you probably won't be the last"

It's just your turn.

[–]ben0wn4g3 6 points7 points  (17 children)

Well that is obvious. But I'm just saying that the wags (wives and gfs) you hook up with are always going to be the slags. I have hooked up with plenty of wags but I should always remember the multitude of times I have been 'rejected' by wags.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 10 points11 points  (16 children)

Come to the dark side. It's fun over here. I've pulled slutty wives, and apparently chaste and loyal "good girl" wives. Every fucking one of them will cheat. All they need is opportunity and plausible deniability and they'll make their best effort to branch swing to someone who appears to be higher value than the man she is with.

The sweetest girl I've ever met eye fucked me and openly hit on me when my friend wasn't in the room, tons of ioi's from flipping her hair to wiggling her ass at me. I could have fucked her at any time while I rented a room from him over the winter. I didn't because I needed a place to live more than I needed a piece of ass. They broke up a while back, and next opportunity I get, she's getting some vengeful fucking.

Funny thing, his current girlfriend was trying hard to get attention from me the other night after I held frame and didn't cave to her bullshit shaming tactics. She had to have touched me thirty times, but her funky face and attitude are a huge turn off to me.

[–]ben0wn4g3 6 points7 points  (14 children)

This is just more confirmation bias. Think back to the times you tried and failed.

[–]Hoodwink 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yes and no.

I've been unattractive in my life. That was when I was blue-pilled the easiest because I was most useful to girls/women as non-sexual future-wallet. When I became more attractive, women changed into submissive tarts.

Women don't value relationships much at all when you get down to nitty gritty - at least, not in the way men have been blue-pilled if they listen to women being able to help you when you're down and sticking through thick and thin or having empathy or being equal partners and all that jazz. Those aren't the rules of attraction. They might make a good partner, but most women aren't out to be a good partner, they're out to find status/money in a relationship.

The good majority of women are the worst kind of sluts. There are very, very few 'good girls'. I thought the world would be the opposite of this growing up (I had one friend group consisting of Evangelicals). I even see a lot of stay-at-home mothers as successful sluts who still can't be a 'good girl' because they never were taught or shamed into it. Most people's relationships are jokes.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The last thing a bitch wants to do is be there for you when you're down, even if you're just sick. Look at the way they portray men with the flu or a cold. Fuck, a cold or the flu pisses me off, it doesn't leave me crying like a girl in bed. It takes something major to slow me down, so when it does I'm usually very fucked up. You get sick, she loses attraction, it's that simple. She wants you to be strong, impervious to everything, capable of overcoming anything and having no effect on you. She doesn't want to take care of you, you're supposed to take care of her, you're the strong one, she isn't. That's why being a parent or stay at home mom is so difficult for them.

[–]Vasallo7G 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people's relationships are jokes.

"It's fuck your buddy, cheat on your wife, call your mother on Mother's Day. Charlie, it's all shit."

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (33 children)

When a woman is going to cheat or cheated; the signs will be there. It's impossible to act as if nothing as happened. Mannerisms will change, interactions will be slightly different, etc.

The problem is people ignoring the signs that are right in front of them. Knowing when to drop a LTR is important whether you have proof or not.

The main point of this post stands.

[–]Hoodwink 14 points15 points  (28 children)

It's impossible to act as if nothing as happened. Mannerisms will change, interactions will be slightly different, etc.

No. This is not 100% true. There are women who honestly don't give a fuck.

And, some of the older sluts, are even more likely to not show any change in emotion or any mannerisms.

The change you're talking about really only happens in the until around 25, after that, most sluts are REALLY casual about cheating. It's no big deal to them.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (24 children)

They still have tells. They're not very smart, they don't think you'll notice obvious shit. My first ex was fucking her best friends husband, they lived across the street. She came home just after 0600, he was 2 minutes behind her. She had left me with the kids so I couldn't go out and check on her. I had a friend watch my kids and I went out looking for them. Saw his truck at a bar, so I went in the back door. There she was, between his legs while he was sitting on a bar stool. She didn't see me, but he did and he had that "Oh fuck, I'm about to die!" look. There were two fat cunts I didn't know sitting across from them, so I walked up behind her, put my hand over her eyes and pulled her head back. Then I gropped her tits with my other hand. The looks on the fat chicks faces was epic. (I'm laughing just remembering this shit) Then I removed my hand from her eyes and she turned around, she tried to play it off, deny deny deny. Then a fat cut asks "who is that?" I replied, "Her husband" and she said "That guy is her husband" and I said "Nah, that's her best friends husband, at least for now. " And smiled a big shit eating grin.

I was stuck with her because I want keen on divorce rape, so I didn't care and speed fucking her. Then I shut off her access to my money. She ended up getting 71% of my gross when she finally left for good two years later. Just got her all paid off this year, and it feels great.

I have a few hundred stories like that one. I expect them to cheat, and they've never failed me yet. Why do I expect it? Because it's inevitable and they'll cheat with me when they're with some other guy.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The 100000th remainder not to get married haha

You probably should have turned a blind eye. Started "investing" in family businesses a decent time before the divorce. By the time the divorce comes up; you are technically broke.

I have seen it done before by an older friend who was a relatively wealthy. He began shielding his wealth many years before the divorce and was able to keep a good chunk of it. Totally illegal, but not immoral in my opinion.

In your defense, that must have been satisfying.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really started to enjoy fucking with her while she was cheating with different guys. As soon as she left for good, I had an Asian girl that night, and five plates within two weeks.

I getting the itch for a skinny bitch or three again. Been building my life in hardcore monk for two years, have only fucked 20 or so girls in that time. Not girls who are a challenge, just willing to fuck and do things. I'll never trust a girl again, they can never earn it from me, no matter what they do. Doesn't mean I won't like and appreciate them, I just won't trust them. I take it as granted they are fucking other guys.

[–]Emporian 7 points7 points [recovered]

Hello anger phase... Again

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eh, I have better shit to be angry about. Girls don't rate much anger.

[–]Philhelm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anger always manages to throw a Hail Mary when there's only ten seconds left on the clock.

And this time he's brought a friend - Rage.

[–]1james-watson 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Jesus christ almighty. This is after 8 years of vetting?

Lord have mercy on the poor souls who get married after reading this. I don't know of a single man who vetted his GF for 8 years.

Scratch that, I know one, but his marriage lasted all of 1 year. It was a sexless, decade long relationship. Don't ask.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At least I was fucking the hell out of her. She was a 21 year old virgin I popped, so the pussy was all mine for 8 years. I'm 13 years older than she is, and now I'm fucking girls 10 years younger than her. I get what I want, then release them to the wild cc.

I was at this point before I met her, spinning plates before it was called that, using them for sex, picking up and dropping off all the time. I met her and decided to give girls just one more chance. When she did exactly the same shit all the others had done, that was it. Girls are a warm moist place to jack off, self lubricating fleshlights. Nothing more. I have some as friends, and I like a few of them, but none will ever be loved by me again.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 14 points15 points  (4 children)

"Don't say anything or act weird okay? He'd be really hurt if he found out"

Said to me by a married chick in my wider friend circle. They have no remorse whatsoever, they know what they're doing is harmful.

[–]BaconEggsAndSleaze 8 points8 points [recovered]

and even then, she doesn't care if he actually hurts.

She doesn't want her cover to be blown.

[–]Vasallo7G 9 points10 points  (1 child)

no you are wrong, actually she is a good girl because she doesn't want her husband to be hurt.....the fact that she fucked you is not part of the picture, at all

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 5 points6 points  (0 children)

she doesn't want her husband to be hurt

So that means that anyone that tells on her is the one that hurt her husband, not her behavior.

[–]bigeyedbunny 28 points29 points  (3 children)

"Faithfulness" of women is just another illusion of the bluepill betas.

I never met, in real life, a girl who was always faithful only to her boyfriend or husband.

[–]Hoodwink 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I wasn't surprised when 1 or 2 girls cheated. It only intellectually surprises me it's almost near universal behavior for women.

I think most men can't cheat unless they really go out of their way in terms of prostitution.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the universality of it.

[–]41divorcedandfree 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I tricked my wife of 20 years of admitting to having an affair over the summer. I sure as fuck knew it. But all my beta friends told me I was fucking crazy and delusional so I let it continue thinking I was being jealous and petty. Never again.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How did you do that? Would love to hear the story.

[–]BakerAtNMSU 6 points7 points  (0 children)

how can i tell when she's lying to me? easy...

her lips are moving. AWALT...

[–]NeoreactionSafe 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Marriage 1.0 was specifically designed to penalize female hypergamy. If a woman was caught cheating she lost everything and was thrown out on the street penniless in a divorce. (without her children)

Women eventually get the vote. (1920)

Marriage 2.0 reversed all the laws of Marriage 1.0. Now when things go badly it is the man who gets divorce raped.

So marriage has a completely absurd meaning now.

It's not that "marriage is bad" so much as that "marriage is no longer authentic".

You cannot marry as it was designed and practiced throughout most of human history. We live in very strange times where values are inverted so that nature is intentionally obscured.

During most of human history men were more or less Red Pill and held a negative view of hypergamy.

Being a slut was once actually a bad thing in people's eyes.

(hard to imagine, but this is true)


[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

To be fair, if you're doing what you should be doing A) she won't cheat and B) you won't care if she does because you'll just move her from "main bitch" to "alternate to the backup side bitch." I used to sweat it when I didn't hear from a chick I was dating and it was 4 a.m. on "girl's night." Know what I'm doing at 4 a.m. on "girl's night" now? Fucking sleeping after pounding out my side bitch at 2 a.m. and not picking up the phone when drunk slut calls because if she wants to fuck me she can do it when I'm awake, and no girl wants to fuck at 4 a.m. anyway, they'll be "too tired" or "too drunk" when really it's "too sore from the dude I fucked behind the bar." You like getting roped into cuddling a drunk bitch? Me either, so don't facilitate it. If you're worrying about your bitch cheating on you you're doing it wrong.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Part A is wrong

Part B is dead true, you shouldn't care because you should expect zero loyalty from a bitch and they can easily be replaced if you want to do so

[–]drallcom3 8 points8 points [recovered]

A LTR only works if she can have the fear of losing your commitment. With current laws it can't happen.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

it's the problem, assuming man-thinking on a woman.

Yes, divorce-rape is a thing, as is custody. But the girl brain doesn't normally have that kind of long term thinking. If you're not a pathetic schlub, she can't think past the 'losing high quality man' aspect, especially as she gets older. The vindictive woman thing comes after the checkout, and she's frantically grabbing at branches while falling.

Thats why it's so routine what to expect. You're duck allofasudden got smaller, you're probably gay, definitely beat her, poor father who touches his daughter etc. Those aren't calculated plans, those are throwing anything against the wall to get something to stick

[–]ben0wn4g3 21 points22 points  (3 children)

This is why you snoop gentleman. Every little trick under the sun. It's not about being insecure. It's about awalt and not being a cuck.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

I am a big fan of "trust but verify"

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Reagan beat the commies with that idea.

[–]snow_jacket 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I think guys can generally tell. Even if they can't place that gut feeling. One married girl I was fucking told me about how her husband had started going out to bars to pick up women and it started to "scare" her. She cut things off between us after that.

Another guy just seemed to go along with it. There's no way he couldn't know yet he seemed not to know. I felt kind of bad for him since I was fucking his wife for ten months so I tried to Facebook friend him to give him some advice. He refused the request and she freaked out at me. Still kept trying to fuck me though.

All three married women I've slept with? And the fourth, being my ex wife? Yeah there is one thing they all have in common. They honestly are completely unaware that what they are doing is wrong in any conceivable way. Women don't have the slightest bit of morality or empathy for their husbands. They truly do not understand how they are doing anything wrong. I even spoke with three of them about it. I pointed out how they made a vow and how breaking your word was wrong. Women just don't see things this way. A woman's word is worth nothing.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 7 points8 points  (2 children)

One married girl I was fucking told me about how her husband had started going out to bars to pick up women and it started to "scare" her. She cut things off between us after that.

And people say that Dread Game doesn't work. ;)

[–]loin_fruit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See my main plate who is married, told me the reason she fucks me is because her husband has and does cheat on her. But I don't believe that. I believe she's hamstering reasons to cheat on him. If he really was cheating and she thought he was, I would think that would make her want to chase him and gain his "love" back

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I dunno. I just get the feeling that if your wife makes it a regular thing to go out at night with other people, she will get around to fucking other people. Yeah, people need space from time to time, I get that. There is a big difference between alone time and not-with-you social time. If it is a pair bond, most socializing should be done as a pair.

(Note, men heading into the woods to hunt or whatever isn't social time. That's male business. Women getting together to make a quilt is female business. Social time is when you head out for the explicit purpose of just meeting and dealing with other people.)

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 4 points5 points  (0 children)

if your wife makes it a regular thing to go out at night with other people, she will get around to fucking other people.

This is a no-brainer for anyone more than a week into TRP. GNOs are an excuse to be in a place with alcohol and single horny men while out of sight/accountability of their husbands, i.e., a plan to cheat.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agree with this in most cases, for most women. And if you've got one who doesn't feel inclined to cheat, she'll behave the same as one who has. So you won't know.

It's more likely to happen in this day and age than in times gone past, because cheating is now socially acceptable (girl power!), easy (Tinder), and girls have access to all of facebook and subreddit-hamsters telling them it's totally fine because made up arbitrary reason including perfect vagina and evil penis.

With the man now taking all the consequences of a relationship not working out (including her cheating or changing her mind on a whim), and the woman having all the benefits of the relationship whether it works or not, the only options for the modern day man are to hedge your bets (multiple women), never invest more than you're prepared to walk away from (here's your skittles ladies, don't fight over red ones), and/or MGTOW. And for the love of god, do not marry.

The marriage deal has gotten worse every decade for men for the last 40 years. You want to see how bad it is in 20 years time when you get your papers? I certainly don't, thankyouverymuch.

[–]Borsao66 6 points7 points  (2 children)

These men are wrong. She won't act guilty. She won't feel bad. In her mind, she did nothing wrong.

I've been in cabs with married women (after fucking) who shush me while they call their husbands to check on kids.

This is truth.

Ok, CSB time. Had a LTR (widow) that I soft-next'd back in late 2013 because she was utterly incapable of telling the truth about anything. We kept in infrequent contact with each other while I was helping her daughter with getting set up for college. The ex had started dating a BB in 2014 and after about a year started asking me for help with her new house (BB was a fucking sloth). I didn't know the RP term at the time, but I'd created an alpha widow unknowingly.

Yeah, all summer this year, I'd be wrecking it and 5 minutes after we were done, she'd be on the phone telling him how much she missed him and was looking forward to seeing him again. I hard next'd her back in August once I saw how truly deceitful she was capable of being.

Edit: Grammar and formatting.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Women lie and manipulate with ease. Thats l I meant to conbe

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It is possible to tell sometimes. For one, trust your gut. Is there something telling you to suspect her actions? And two, when they start the accusations of you doing the thing they did, it's usually a sign.

[–]Dylan_Tnga 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"We were already broken up when I fucked him so it wasn't cheating" is a pretty common rationalization they use. My ex wife used that one on me lol. We were still living together with the kids but in her mind we were broken up probably because of some arbitrary argument.

Point is, females can justify ANY behavior they want, there's no point in trying to understand the logic, it's just about "feeling good"

Since I've been divorced I've had a couple plates with husbands / boyfriends / fiancess whatever, they cheat and they're perfectly fine with it. Some are even happy to degrade their man during the process to "He doesn't fuck me like you do"

Advice #1 is the best. Take it from an ex-married dude... don't tie the knot. Fuck that shit.

[–]bea5tly 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I had a girl ask for a ride home from work one time. I jokingly said ass or pay for gas. She said she'd give me head so I was down for it. So I get her and she does the deed and we keep driving. I drop her off at the house to her boyfriend waving to her from the door way.

She told him I was her good friend who she ran into randomly and got a ride home with.. She kissed him on the lips as I was backing out of the drive way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing personal to the bf..just a blow job for the guy who gave her a ride and made her Gina tingle

[–]SpinPlates 10 points11 points  (5 children)

When I was in high school I lost my virginity to girl with a boyfriend. We fucked every day after school and then she would go to her BFs house at night.

One day she came over to my place and she was REALLY done up, like professionally done hair and make up was on point and had a really nice dress on. I didn't say anything about it until hours later when she was leaving and she said "Oh it's BF's name birthday and we're going to dinner with his parents" so nonchalantly.

Later at night, I was on Facebook and she posted a picture of her at dinner with her boyfriend, giving him a kiss on the cheek and a present in a little box with a bowtie. Caption was something along the lines of "Happy birthday baby I love you! xoxoxo"

6 hours ago she was slurping my cock and swallowing my load and now she's kissing her BF on his birthday.

Sometimes I wonder if she single handedly ruined women for me because I can't invest myself into an LTR when I know this kind of shit happens all the time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Accept women for what they are, dont hate them

[–]symko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey! You contributed to his birthday! You got some of your semen germs on his cheek. Talk about thinking of the perfect gift at the last minute! /s

[–]boomerbux 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I landed my first real job at a large corporation, my biggest surprise was that all the women who flirted openly with me were married, the single ones were far less aggressive. I dabbled a few times, but turned down many, mostly because I wasn't all that attracted. But there is something definitely exciting about an affair, and I'm a bit of an adrenaline junkie. My longest affair with a very intelligent and hot, older, higher ranked exec ended when she realized her husband just could not compete with the excitement, passion etc of a new, younger guy, who spent more time with her than her husband did. Not to mention business trips, meetings out of town, etc. Her conscience did get to her, or something. She told me she knew he suspected, as he made some casual remarks about affairs, but he clearly didn't want to confront her, just wanted her to stop. So she did. p.s. I have lived/worked in several countries, including Japan, and it was the same everywhere. Japanese married women were quite aggressive, but there are cultural reasons for that.

[–]Magnum256[🍰] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Are there any sources of TRP men in later life (50+ years old) who can speak about unmarried life?

I'm in my 30s, never married, no desire to, but part of me always thinks "how will this be when I'm 55+ and have never been married, likely with no children, and I'm not as full of life or adventurous as I was when I was in my 20s or 30s"

I mean it's one thing to be busy living your life, always something to do, or somewhere to go, hobbies, work, and friends to spend time with but I imagine as we all get older our lives will change, we might not need to spend so much time working, nor find as much pleasure in partying or actively socializing every weekend.

Maybe it's just an old fashioned upbringing but I always saw marriage/children as sort of a milestone in a mans life, like that's where you're supposed to be eventually, and then you'll get old and live happily with your wife and see your children grow and start families of their own and eventually you'll be this 75 year old man surrounded by several generations of family and feel truly "fulfilled" and now it's as if my reality is shattered by the fact that marriage is such a rigged game with a very low chance of long-term success and left me with nothing other than the thought of, "what the hell am I supposed to do when I'm an old man?"

[–]boomerbux 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm mid 50's, never been married, never been happier. I realized at a very young age that marriage was a bad deal, so I fought hard to stay single. Once in a blue moon I wonder if I should have had kids. But I absolutely NEVER think I wish I had been married. I have travelled the world, but a business in a foreign country, and love my freedom. I sometimes take for granted that I have never, ever had to do anything I didn't want to do. I was able to easily walk away from a high paying, high stress job, since my needs are simple. I 'retired' at 45 and started living a year or two at a time in all the cities I always wanted to, Prague, Paris, Rio, Buenos Aires, Bogota, Tokyo etc. All my friends and colleagues look at me and say' I wish I had your life'. I wonder why they didn't choose it? It goes against everything your family and culture tells you to do I guess, but I have always been a non conformist. Right now I live in Central America and spend my days fixing up my house, which I love to do. At night I have my pick of 20 and 30 something hot women to date. I learned a second language and soon I'll move to Italy or Portugal and learn a third. I have no idea what people here are talking about when they say you need to go to great lengths to keep your LTR going. Why? I would never put that kind of effort into it. Fuck that, I have better things to do with my time. My biggest problem these days, in all seriousness? I find it difficult to keep up sexually with much younger women. I'm fine for 1 or maybe 2 times in an evening, but after that I need to sleep. I might have to try V or C soon...life is fucking great, DON'T GET MARRIED

[–]Polaris382 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Curious about this too actually. Im 31, and there is part of me that wants to settle down with a GOOD (I do believe some exist) but...Im really bad at relationships (showing emotion/affection/etc), Im pretty selfish, and I value my freedom, not very enthusiastic about the idea of having children...as well as really love simplicity and just being a minimalist in general.

These things dont really bode well for LTRs, and I just lost a really high quality woman because of it. Even with a really good one, I dont know if Im cut out for that life, but you cant help but wonder if you choose lifelong bachelorhood if at some point in old age that some sort of regret is going to hit you hard. A lot better than the regret of being a single old man that has been "divorce raped" once or multiple times though.

[–]jm51 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm mid 60s, divorced, 3 kids and 3 grandchildren. I'm really liking my life. Am retired, socialising with family is great.

All the talk of outcome independence but no way must the mother of your children get a dollar.

Make twice as much money and give her half when the divorce comes. It's not like she'll be doing better than you 5 years after.

Or spend heavily on skills that can earn coin. It's not like the judge is going to give her half of your pilots license.

If you really want kids, my advice would be to find a potentially good mother. That rules out crazies and special snowflakes. For all your lifting, she will judge you on how cute you would look pushing a swing.

We were born to breed.

[–]thebadmanpuntdbaxter 17 points18 points  (20 children)

While you should never let your guard down, it still has to be said that you shouldn't walk into every relationship thinking that the girl is a lieing cheating Whore. She just has the potential to be if she isn't satisfied with her man.

Maintaining a masculine persona is your best defense to infidelity, but that only extends to guys who are below you in SMV. If you let her swim with sharks, she's getting eaten, all up in that puss. If your presence as a leader is strong, she'll have less inclination to go out with her girlfriends and let it "just sorta happened." Spend Friday night with her anywhere but drinking your face off at a dive bar(ie glass of wine at a jazz club, prepping for an early hike on Saturday, skinny dipping in your neighbors pool). Why? You want to enjoy life, not depress it.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While you should never let your guard down, it still has to be said that you shouldn't walk into every relationship thinking that the girl is a lieing cheating Whore.

That is exactly how you should view her. The moment you tell yourself she won't and she senses it, she will start lookin for strange cock.

As for assuming if you're alpha enough, that's wrong too. I've pulled girls from alphas obviously above me, and damn are they pissed when short, old, fat looking me is banging his girl. Also from tall guys with more money. They crave the excitement of a new cock in their ass, and that gives someone like me a huge advantage over her ltr boyfriend or husband. She's bored with him, so I only have to appear better than his boring self, not how he appears to the rest of the world.

Then you have the cheat codes so to speak. Insult her, get her emotional with some negs, play it off as jokes, and she is pudding quivering for a pounding. That is way too easy, and I like a challenge to make it more fun, so I haven't done that in a long time and only pull it out to break dry spells or when I'm in monk and just want to get laid once or twice.

[–]DidUBringTheStuff 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Girlfriend of 2 years went out jogging one night and met a dude and got his number. A few months later she dumped me, right before christmas. Saw pictures of her out with some dude on her friend's facebook and when I asked her about it she said that she had met him while we were still dating and exchanged numbers (for some bullshit reason like "he said he knew some workout tips"...totally unrelated to why he's fucking her, of course). And her conscience is totally clear about it too lol, she's not a cheater on a technicality. These girls that have been showered with everything they've wanted are so out of touch when it comes to morality and taking responsibility.

On that day I learned what emotional affairs were.

I wouldn't wish a relationship with that snake on any dude.

[–]Stargazer34 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can't expect fidelity from a woman, it's just your turn. BAM, case closed.

[–]LetsGoAllTheWhey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Awhile back I wrote about a story I read in which the wife cheated on her husband, but because she had already "checked out of the marriage" she didn't consider it cheating and saw nothing wrong with what she did. Nevermind the fact that they still lived together as husband and wife, and he thought everything in the marriage was fine.

[–]evian_mars 11 points12 points  (19 children)

So you're inferring that because some women do cheat, you should not get married to any women on the basis of the aforementioned group's actions.

But other women are happily married without cheating. What do you make of that? There are certainly women who do not cheat.

Personally I consider it to be a risk/reward payoff. Of course there are no guarantees but undoubtedly it is possible for a man and women to be married without cheating.

[–]Chinzon 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The US has a 50% divorce rate statistic. I wouldn't bet more than fifty dollars in a casino with those odds. Why in my right mind would I gamble my happiness, life and livelihood on those odds?

[–]evian_mars 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's society as a whole - all those single mothers getting married, remarried and then divorced numerous times, all that trailer trash who pay absolutely no consideration for the future getting married at 20 and then going mental on meth. Those are the people who make up a significant portion of that 50% stat.

Sure no doubt about it there are certainly women who are outwardly more refined but will cheat too - mostly but not exclusively because they married for status and money, and therefore have no real physical attraction for their husbands.

Equally however there are women who are happily married who haven't, and most probably won't cheat. You and you alone will have to be the judge of which women you meet fall into that category. If you have any desire to raise children within a family that's most probably going to be important.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Its one reason, not the only one.

Main reason is that marriage is assuming mega liabilities with zero upside that a man cant have anyway

[–]doveenigma13 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You should not get married for a myriad of reasons.

AWALT (all women are like that) does not infer or guarantee all women will do that and at what threshold they will do it.

Every woman I have ever met would happily give up their guts to Dwayne Johnson or Vin Diesel regardless of their situation. They also gleefully explain that it wouldn't count because they're celebrities, on their "list", or some other such nonsense. AWALT, trust but verify, pick the right woman, and be prepared for the worst.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yeesh! I gotta find me a married woman.

[–]Hoodwink 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Girls in long-term relationships are some the easiest.

No joke.

If she drinks, and she's away from her husband - she's down.

[–]RpReborn 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I picture the author as Buddha sitting on a mountain peak seeing all with calm and perfect clarity. This post is short and sweet with zero misconceptions on the nature of women. Don't fight the truth. Embrace it and let them fit your life, not theirs.

Can't expect fidelity, it's just your turn, act accordingly. If this isn't a commandment, it should be.


[–]The-Ban-Hammer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is true. You won't know at all. You won't sense it. And even if you demand to know the whole truth, she'll give you her version of the whole "truth." It won't even be trickle truth. It will just be the edited truth, unless you can find it somewhere while she's not looking.

Then she'll wonder why you're making a big deal over something you discussed years ago, not acknowledging that you're learning new, more vital information. The hamster will literally go into overdrive to make you the bad guy for re-opening something that was long ago discussed. Oh, so she didn't tell you she sucked a dick. So what? lol

Even the "nicest" woman will pull this shit.

[–]Anderfail 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Do none of you actually look into the woman's past when you get involved with them? Jesus Christ I mean it took me one relationship with a women who had divorced parents who sucked at raising her to realize I would never again get involved with someone like that.

My wife comes from a very tight knit family with an alpha father. Is our relationship perfect? No, obviously not but the point is that she was raised to value integrity and to respect men.

The women who do this are usually easy to spot. They all have certain tells in their body language and they rarely ever come from a background where both parents are still together and the father actually is a real patriarch.

Does this make them perfect? No. Does it make them impervious to cheating? No. It does however make them far less apt to fall into that trap though and these women usually have enough wherewithal to remove themselves from situations where it may happen.

One of the main issues I have with this sub is that it appears that many of the people here simply suck at evaluating women in large part because they themselves came from similar backgrounds.

The fact is, if you want an actual LTR, you should avoid women who come from families where her parents are divorced or from families where her mother dominates her father. Yes this will limit your potential list a lot, but it's a necessity. The former are basically only useful as a plate and are not going to be reliable in an LTR.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Left my fiancee's friend at a bar this weekend because "she was still drinking with everybody!" and drove her husband home with us.

That's just her! She just loves to have fun! I hope she gets home alright!


[–]sterlinghtsmi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is very true. I'm pounding a country club brat who simply doesn't respect her husband and it appears he has lost interest in her. Yes, she is a pain in the ass but not my pain in the ass...I simply put her in her place, gave her the pounding of her life and now she is a mewling kitten at my door twice a month. Nothing is off limits, she is a slut through and through, like most women are. I was even the first in her ass...and yes...she is now an anal queen. AWALT

  • The comment about autonomy is accurate too. This brat moved from one state to mine and she was on a married but looking site within a week. New girl, new town, new cock.

[–]Incubus130 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there even any point in relationships. I just don't think I could get in one knowing at some point its gonna fail.

[–]heal_thyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"She won't feel bad. In her mind, she did nothing wrong."

"I just need to rationalize this in my head". That's a direct quote, or close enough, from a married plate after we had sex. I was literally watching the hamster running, and convincing her that it was perfectly OK to cheat. THANK GOD I found TRP before then.

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