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Red Pill TheoryOn Female Consequences and Ditching Your Revenge Porn Fantasies (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan

tl/dr - read the damn post

The girls said they knew exactly what they were doing and were planning to “have their fun” (fun= partying, fun=sex, fun=going on spring break etc.) and would “settle down later”. I asked: when are you planning to settle down? They said: “It depends” and “probably around 27, 28” or “maybe sooner it depends”. I really put the girls on the spot. During our exchange they saw I was upset. They told me I should be happy because “nice guys finish first in the end”. I told them you cannot have your cake and eat it to. Then I was told by Kaylene (a young thin super sexy blonde with curves in all the right places (who BTW refused to date me even though we were friends and according to her roommate had sex with almost 30 guys in one semester ) she told me,

“Michael let me tell you something: not only am I going to have my cake eat it and eat it too. I’m going to have it with ice cream and sprinkles”. - Michael’s Story


Justice. Glorious retribution. Suffering the consequences of our wrongdoings, whilst basking in the glory of our righteous deeds and conquests. As men, these are all concepts and ideas that we find noble and right. We recognize and embrace that we cannot live lives completely free of all consequence. Those consequences may be physical; i.e., we don’t give liver transplants to chronic alcoholics. They may be financial; i.e., a bank robber isn’t getting a job in the financial industry anytime soon. Or, they may be social; i.e., if you have a history of behaving like an ass at parties, you may find yourself sitting home alone on Halloween or New Year’s Eve.

However, there seems to be a trend, a pattern in the comment sections of various different discussions here in the men’s locker room we call The Red Pill. It appears to stem from a sort of misunderstanding about “The Wall” from newcomers and assorted anger phasers, and that is this misappropriated idea that once our fluffy, little, acrobatic and beloved vagina operator, rider of the ever present and be-Chadded Cock Carousel hits the wall, that somehow her sexual and social lives are over, and come crashing down around her like a Syrian war zone leveled by ISIS artillery and grenades.

Well, Uncle JP is here to tell you in the best way TRP knows how, and that is with blunt force:

Newbies:

She IS going to get her way. She will ultimately suffer no meaningful retribution for her Ghosts of Sluttiness Past. Dismiss your justice porn revenge fantasies.

And they know it, too. They all know it. Gentlemen, the walking, talking episode of Sex and the City that Michael was talking to above is telling the truth, and here’s why: getting her Beta Bux is just as important to her as getting her Alpha Fux.

Some of us seem to forget that AF/BB isn’t just a catch slogan, it’s an expression of the dualistic nature of the Female Sexual Strategy. AF/BB is a “yin and the yang”. Before modern feminism destroyed the concepts of manhood, it wasn’t uncommon for a woman to successfully consolidated her AF/BB needs in one, singular man. The strong, stoic type of man who tingled her vagina, whom she respected, and whom she gladly devoted herself to in exchange for his caring providership of her and their children.

But alas, 50 years of slow feminist creep, single motherhood, the destruction of the nuclear family, and an overwhelming number of gynocentric social programs and safety nets has all but destroyed this type of man. Women know this. They pushed all of these movements just so they could be strong independent women who go to offices every day and push meaningless paper around in cubicles to make their male bosses wealthy.

So now they have created two different types of men, which we of course now classify as “AF” and “BB”. And when the time comes, she will get her Beta Bux. This is for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is sexual thirst among the latter category. They know they will be able to starfish for thirsty men, who don’t know how good steak tastes when they’re being fed a bowl of dog food a couple of times a month.

I know it sounds logical, because leave it to a man to find the most logical conclusion to a dilemma or conundrum.

”That filthy whore sucked off the lacrosse team and gang banged the basketball team, she doesn’t deserve a good husband!”

your mind tells you.

Well, she’s gonna get one, unless her SMV literally drops to zero by way of getting morbidly obese, becoming a burn victim, or running her face through a cheese grater. Allow me to refer you to a part of /u/Rollo-Tomassi’s SMV Chart that many of us glance over:

https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

Notice that, for as fast as her SMV starts declining after 23, her SMV is still above a “2” as late as age 38.

And gentlemen, if you don’t think there are men out there who are thirsty, desperate, and willing to bang out a 38 year old 2 or 3, then I’ve got some land in the Florida Everglades I’d like to sell you.

So no, they will not suffer consequences or retribution. Get it out of your head sooner rather than later. No, the Widows of the Alpha Kind will not enjoy fucking their BBs, but that’s not the point. Once she has the ring on her finger, she now holds all the marbles, even if she wants to, and successfully scores, some AF on the side. Conversely, even if she becomes a fat slob who struts around in Victoria Secret sweatpants with the deliciously ironic “SEXY” written on the ass, and drives her husband to find a vagina not surrounded by a gravitational pull, she still holds all the marbles.

And quite honestly, is it any real surprise that women don’t suffer consequences for their slutty actions? Why should they? They are, after all, the Most Responsible Teenager in the House. She’s been living a consequence-free life from the time she was 5 years old and playing with toy princesses to the time she is 25 and insisting she be treated like one. And society will see to it that she isn't about to start suffering them now.

So the lesson to be learned here, gentlemen, is to ditch your revenge porn fantasies. They are no good for your psyche, and they are no good for the process of unplugging. Here at TRP, we prefer to deal in truths and realities, not delusions and fantasies.

She’s gonna get her Beta. Just be glad that now it won’t be you.


[–]T0000009 49 points50 points  (0 children)

She’s gonna get her Beta. Just be glad that now it won’t be you.

That's the real prize when you play the long game, NOT being stuck on her plantation as a lowly plow horse.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 82 points83 points  (10 children)

While not popular as an opera plot, "Living Well" really is the best revenge.

As and Old Guy, my advice to young RPillers is:

The world isn't fair. Tough. Improve yourself, and think horizontally not vertically. Do not waste your time on girls who want validation, or to waste your time, or who can't get their heads out of their asses. Time is a great leveler. Some girls will get their BB and others won't. They wake up at 35 and wonder why no one will marry them.

You, however, young prince, must make your own way in the world. Lift. Learn Game. Build your SMV. Live your life for YOU. When you are older and successful and have lived your life your way, enjoy the fruits of your own labors. They're making new 22 y.o. girls every year. I'm 48. The girls who wouldn't give me the time of day way back when? I don't even allow them in line, now. I bang young, attractive women, and you can to. Work on yourself. Become exceptional. Then Rule Your Own Life.

EDIT: I suck at formatting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 33 points34 points  (0 children)

As an older guy, revenge is even more pointless since most women are self destructive anyway. All you have to do is live your life well, and catch the occasional newsflashes of what aspect of her life your ex has managed to fuck up now. Eventually she just becomes an annoying reminder of how naive you were at that time in your life.

[–]DaphneDK 30 points31 points  (5 children)

As and Old Guy, my advise to young RPillers is:

I'm also an old guy I guess. Currently my FB is overflowing with old school mates who after having being married to and had kids with a local girl, are now divorced and having a new wife. Only this one is a 20+ younger, cute East Asian girl. These are normal middle class 9-5 office dudes. Do you think women have this option? Not a chance. Men can have their cake and eat it too. And eat it twice.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Old age is a woman's hell.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Depends. My mom is a self proclaimed 'prude' and has been with my dad (he gets it in elsewhere, both of us (Mama dukes and I) are aware) for over 30 years. She gets old men trying to hit on her all the time. I've had to threaten bodily harm to old guys. When I say I don't get it, it's rational. She's a hardcore evangelical that goes out of her way to look 'pious'.

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    [–]DreadLockedHaitian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Meh. They're more likely to get a kick in the ass.

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      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This is a short hand expression I came up with to help guys think things through.

      Guys who think 'vertically' keep right on investing in girls who want validation, but aren't going to give up the pussy (for that guy), but the guy keeps doubling down and eventually wins the right to...become her "Orbiter in Chief" and "Grand High Emotional Tampon".

      Guys who think 'horizontally' make multiple approaches, and don't waste their time with girls who aren't interested in them, and will never be interested in them, and instead pursue girls who are, and therefore wind up with plates or a girlfriend/LTR, as they wish.

      [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 161 points162 points  (33 children)

      Over-investment into the downfall of exes and using newfound RP enlightenment of women's true nature as some sort of "weapon" to be wielded against the feminine populace are two of the biggest frame-destructive reoccurances I've seen on TRP thus far.

      Newly Enlightened Alphas usually do so well up until the point where they begin to see genuine, positive results i.e. when they begin receiving multiple IOIs from a variety of women.

      And once they've reached this point, they'll typically scoop up all the IOIs they've garnered, put them in a little bucket, skip down to Lil' Sally's place -i.e. that mean ol' girl who inadvertently led them down the path of RP enlightenment-, then proceed to dump the contents at her feet and proudly proclaim, "Look how Alpha I am!"

      Unfortunately for them, perception is collectively garnered and not circumstantially so.

      Lil' Sally may notice the great strides of improvement this shiny new Enlightened Alpha has made. She might even be impressed by them.

      And yet, the Enlightened Alpha's Beta past is not lost on her.

      Women judge SMV based upon the good traits AND the bad traits they've perceived within the individual in question. She'll recall every beta trait this Enlightened Alpha has ever portrayed and will constantly hold them against him, no matter the improvements he's currently displaying.

      Past posts have mentioned that even if a fat woman loses all of the extra weight (in turn becoming attractive), her self control still comes into question.

      And Why? Because we've perceived her "fat-state" as her normative state; she's been fat longer than she's been attractive, so reversion back to her normative state is highly likely.

      In most cases, people will eventually resort back to what they're accustomed to/how they normally are due to an inherent longing for familiarity and complacency.

      It's through these same lenses that she'll base her perceptions of the Newly Enlightened Alpha's shiny new coat of paint: as both temporal and thin.

      To her, whether it's true or not is irrelevant; she's constantly remnant on the rusty-scarred coat of paint beneath that bright red exterior.

      What's more, not only is trying to demonstrate "how Alpha you've become" or attempting to invoke some sense of lust into women who've previously seen you unfavorably not worth your time, it's futile to it's very core.

      The very attempt of pursuing revenge is a counter-balance against the basis of being an Alpha.

      An Alpha wouldn't concern himself with her or their past experiences together, so any outright attempt at "rekindling" or readdressing said past would be perceived by her as a "non-Alpha" characteristic.

      Not only that, some women will never see you as the Alpha you are. My roommate from college is a professional lawyer, and yet I'll always see him as the stoner who slept through half his classes.

      Perception trumps all when it comes to the bases/influences towards individualistic opinion.

      [–]KickinWangg 36 points37 points  (2 children)

      this could be a post. I generally thought when i first came to TRP that i wanted to get back at my exes and show them how much better i was. The way you analogized the behavior in skipping up to Sally-Lou's place carrying a big bucket of validation really put my thoughts into perspective. The follow up with it just being a rusty car with a new coat of paint also put me back into a more rational state so i thank you for that my brother! When are you planning on posting the Part 2 to your previous post?

      Edit: For clarity

      [–]bigcitytruth[🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      A woman will nearly always perceive you exactly the same way she did the last time you saw her. Usually there's no fixing it. In rare circumstances you can change her perception, but it happens so rarely it's not worth the time or effort.

      [–]Physio_Tool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      it's futile, there's really no point, If you are going back for her it shows you havent upgraded anyway so that should be a cue to get your shit in order!

      [–]HS-Thompson 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      And once they've reached this point, they'll typically scoop up all the IOIs they've garnered, put them in a little bucket, skip down to Lil' Sally's place -i.e. that mean ol' girl who inadvertently led them down the path of RP enlightenment-, then proceed to dump the contents at her feet and proudly proclaim, "Look how Alpha I am!"

      This is such an excellent metaphor.

      [–]uxl 49 points50 points  (5 children)

      My revenge was getting a good lawyer and taking half of her 401k + $5k toward the legal expenses that pulled it off. 50/50 custody. Zero alimony or child support.

      And now I'm alpha-fucking someone younger and hotter.

      I win.

      If anything, I owe her a thank you.

      [–]le_king_falcon 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      Eh you landed the one in a million moonshot perfect divorce. L

      Fantastic for you dude but its practically the exception that proves the rule. One can only hope it becomes part of the norm for a while before society decides that women paying up is bad.

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        [–]uxl 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Role reversal. As a BP beta, I worked my ass off putting her through school to the point of an advanced STEM degree and professional license. I did all of the child rearing and home-making. When I found out she was having an affair, I confronted her and secretly recorded her confessions - to the affair (naming the guy, a co-worker) and quite a bit more. I chose an academic major with the pipe dream of being a professor and did very well in school, but never finished graduate studies or accumulated much professional experience because of the kids (she was never home). I supported her this way, at the total expense of myself, for over a decade.

        If our sexes were reversed, you better believe I would have gotten alimony and child support, and probably the whole 401k.

        My romanticized BP love for her caused me to utterly fail in caring for myself. When she decided to walk, I had thoughts of suicide. Her brother pointed me to the Manosphere and gave me a copy of TRM, sincerely sorrowful that he hadn't shared the RP gospel before. This was one year ago.

        Since that time:

        • I went strict keto, lost 110lbs and 10" off my waist.

        • I started lifting, and discovered some modest musculature (I currently "look like I work out" with my cloths on, which anyone whose lost as much weight can relate to, and I'm going through SL 5x5 in hopes of finishing the transformation).

        • I enrolled back in grad school, and spun my shitty work history and latent talents into enough fool's gold that I scored a decent white-collar job loosely related to my skill set. Used my brief experience there to land a Director role somewhere else. I have a decent base salary with a great commission package. Doing well, and currently exploring ways to go into business for myself in the future.

        • I started cold-approaching girls everywhere, all the time, and treated them with indifferent mockery and objectification, minimizing my words and basically acting like I found them boring but maybe worth fucking. The effects of this approach were immediate; literally the first girl I tried it on (a solid 7; 8 on a good day) was fucking me in my car a few hours after my broad-daylight cold-approach (despite already having a long term boyfriend; AWALT). Currently, while I still practice my game, get numbers, and dance with strangers, I stick with one plate who satisfies me very well, and she is the one who is about ten years younger than me (and a model). I look back on sex with my ex-wife (6; 7 on a good day) with disgust in comparison.

        Red Pill saved my life.

        Rather, Red Pill put the old me out its misery and gave birth to the new me.

        For those of you choking down the bitter RP and in pain or despair, I am living proof that there is hope, and a Man can emerge from Mush.

        [–]T0000009 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Perception trumps all when it comes to the bases

        That's why all those rekindled romances fail... The memory of your past deeds always lingers and eventually sinks you again no matter if it's his or hers it can't be forgotten.

        [–]boomerbux 12 points13 points  (2 children)

        Most of us have probably been in the position of wanting 'revenge', but I don't understand it being the case after swallowing the pill. Then it really makes me wonder if someone's just paying lip service to TRP. (and the really, really angry guys scare me a little, I confess). What's that old saying? Living well is the best revenge. Move on. Get over it. She has already had her next guy lined up for weeks. Now some guys will say it isn't fair. Well she's just playing the game smarter than you, get with it. And in reality, if you do things the right way, you will end up being truly happy, while she will in all likelihood be faking it. Now that's justice.

        [–]TrueMetal 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Well she's just playing the game smarter than you, get with it.

        I'd agree with everything, except the quoted above. She's not playing the game smarter than you. The game is rigged in her favour from the get go.

        [–]boomerbux 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        That might have been a bit harsh, I agree, but you aren't going to change the rigged game, so my point was, realize it and get moving, do something about it.

        [–]Physio_Tool 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        Not only this, but even if it wasnt for rekindling and you wanted straight revenge, you demonstrate your beta qualities by showing that you indeed still care. You can't even be indifferent for the sake of revenge, YOU NEED TO BE 100% ABSOLUTELY INDIFFERENT. When are you 100% indifferent? When thoughts stop springing up in your mind about her, and whenever something comes up that triggers a thought regarding her, it is neutrally charged with emotion. It has no pull on your concentration. It is the equivalent of you noticing what time it is and you redirecting your attention back to what you were doing. Hoping she suffers to a beta or in misery somehow is not only beta itself but immature. Move on, move forth, she is a blip in history and she will fade once you start connecting with more girls who provide better then her anyway. And then they will eventually become the one that you just got over because She's never yours, its just your turn.

        [–]fingerthemoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.

        [–]le_king_falcon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Perception is reality to women. (This statement is worthy of a post on its own but every time I've tired to write it its ended up an huge rambling post.)

        And perception is coloured heavily by personal bias. Hence why a man stuck in the beta or omega category will always have to score way higher on SMV to be regraded to AF compared to a guy getting graded first time.

        One can disassociate himself from those beta/omega feels he generated but it will always be exceedingly difficult. Oftentimes its also just a case of a guy going from Omega or Beya to Beta just about good enough to consider for BB duties.

        Fact is a true alpha knows when to cut his losses and stop even consisting the existence of women who've labeled him as Beta or omega as he will always be more productive tilling other fields. Refusing to accept this is oneitis pure and simple. As whether its for revenge or because your pining you are still obsessed with someone who shouldn't even count anymore.

        [–]JumpXVI 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        This is contrary to the very engine of TRP, or any self-improvement movement for that matter. If this were true, then any fitness-related, diet-improving, confidence-displaying, or SMV-increasing action any of us here at TRP takes would not stick "in most cases".

        No, it's much, much more about the female perception of things and her capacity to hamster anything that doesn't make her feel good. My ex lost 20 pounds, dresses sharper than he ever did around me, and got promoted??? Well he'll probably put that weight on again, and probably still wears those old college sweats around his apartment...

        Because why would she accept, through either conscious thought or her much more powerful hindbrain hamster, that she messed up when she moved from someone who is so plainly more alpha than he was before? That would require possibly admitting to herself that her judgment was wrong...

        [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        This is contrary to the very engine of TRP, or any self-improvement movement for that matter. If this were true, then any fitness-related, diet-improving, confidence-displaying, or SMV-increasing action any of us here at TRP takes would not stick "in most cases".

        How so?

        No, it's much, much more about the female perception of things and her capacity to hamster anything that doesn't make her feel good.

        Her "hamster" i.e. perception is negatively altered by remembrance of beta characteristics the Newly Enlightened Alpha has previously portrayed.

        She doesn't simply forget about them nor does she weigh them over his new persona. She weighs both in conjunction.

        My ex lost 20 pounds, dresses sharper than he ever did around me, and got promoted??? Well he'll probably put that weight on again, and probably still wears those old college sweats around his apartment...

        Again, she's impressed by the change, and yet still remembers the previous version. If every copy of IE crashed inexplicably for 22 years and suddenly the newest model promoted a crash-free interface, past experience would leave you skeptical. You may use it because it's faster than other interfaces on the market, but as soon as it crashes your previous thoughts on IE come rushing back and you write the whole thing off as "just another IE".

        Women do this with previous men. They approach them with skepticism.

        Rekindling may work to some degree, and she might engage higher than she previously has, but as soon as she sees a beta tendency, her memories of the past flood her perceptions in the present.

        What's more, the difference between the perception of men and women in this regard is most men see the whole encounter through objective/rational lenses. People make mistakes, have flaws, and people can't be expected to live up to the the persona they display constantly (i.e. such is human nature).

        While women understand that people are innately flawed, they don't have to settle for a flawed man. They always have options, especially considering society's trend towards feminist/hypergamous acceptance. As such, their lenses are subjective; she understans he's flawed, but why bother with him when I can have someone whose less flawed?

        Enlightened Alphas choose to see things objectively and act on them subjectively; they see the world for what it truly is and then act within their own best interest.

        Because why would she accept, through either conscious thought or her much more powerful hindbrain hamster, that she messed up when she moved from someone who is so plainly more alpha than he was before?

        This is a revenge fantasy, subjective to the perspective of the Newly Enlightened Alpha. The NEA thinks this way and it is false.

        Truth is, she will never see him that way. She'll still feel justified in her decision as she knows what he was and will base her logic upon that.

        [–]JumpXVI -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        How so?

        Just in that it's overwhelmingly pessimistic from the girl's point of view. A girl who dumps a guy for, say, two beta tendencies that he has as apparently corrected as is possible (like a promotion and being visibly more ripped), yet excuses a potential new "Chad" (Chad in her mind because hypergamy) she isn't really dating yet but is clearly a guy who isn't as ripped as her ex and doesn't dress as sharp as her ex, is just hamstering.

        Her "hamster" i.e. perception is negatively altered by remembrance of beta characteristics the Newly Enlightened Alpha has previously portrayed.

        She got with her ex originally for a reason. It's hard to truly qualify the correction of beta tendencies, but if the girl isn't currently attached and still chooses to view her ex as a "professionally unambitious, unripped guy" that he so clearly is not today, she's not only hamstering, but willingly disregarding the good qualities he exhibited in the first place that hooked her.

        Again, she's impressed by the change, and yet still remembers the previous version. If every copy of IE crashed inexplicably for 22 years and suddenly the newest model promoted a crash-free interface, past experience would leave you skeptical. You may use it because it's faster than other interfaces on the market, but as soon as it crashes your previous thoughts on IE come rushing back and you write the whole thing off as "just another IE".

        I appreciate the analogy—I'm just saying that there's a "previous previous" version that drew her to IE in the first place. Not saying it's wrong or right, just that perception drives this much more than the literal reality of IE having patched its bugs. It wouldn't matter if she didn't choose IE in the first place, but she did, so she's just hamstering.

        Women do this with previous men. They approach them with skepticism.

        They do it with previous men they dumped because "beta reasons". But they're all too eager to entertain thoughts of Chads past, even if such a Chad is less ripped and less professionally accomplished than her ex. Again, not wrong or right, but totally perception-driven.

        Rekindling may work to some degree, and she might engage higher than she previously has, but as soon as she sees a beta tendency, her memories of the past flood her perceptions in the present.

        This is just as pessimistic as I opened with, though—we're already assuming that her ex is going to "gain five pounds in a month" or "start slacking/be overly comfortable in his new position". Again, while it's hard to qualify the correction of beta tendencies, we are assuming that TRPers are fixing those beta tendencies for good.

        If you're saying that any (read: new) beta tendency would be magnified by her if she got back with her ex, this would actually be a contradiction as far as I see it. If the NEA exhibits a beta tendency in the present, she'd be perceiving something in the present, while simultaneously ignoring the obvious alpha SMV improvements her man is exhibiting in the present.

        That's why I'm saying it would be overwhelmingly pessimistic to damn a guy for a separate minor beta "offense" (falsely implying a sprinkle of beta here and there isn't actually necessary in a relationship). I totally get that a woman has to fear that she's with a beta posing as an alpha, and such new "offenses" may "prove" to her that he's just posing, but she does this to the detriment/disregard of obvious SMV-improvements her man has made.

        While women understand that people are innately flawed, they don't have to settle for a flawed man. They always have options, especially considering society's trend towards feminist/hypergamous acceptance. As such, their lenses are subjective; she understans he's flawed, but why bother with him when I can have someone whose less flawed?

        They actually do settle, though. All the time, even if only because "hi, everyone is flawed". Hypergamy isn't perfect, but a woman's mind can't accept that a new guy isn't a completely an upgrade over her ex in every way, so she'll just perceive that any improvements to her ex's SMV are just temporary and willingly disregard the good points about him that drew her to him in the first place.

        Enlightened Alphas choose to see things objectively and act on them subjectively; they see the world for what it truly is and then act within their own best interest.

        To be clear, we definitely agree here. I'll address where I think you're coming from in the next paragraph.

        This is a revenge fantasy, subjective to the perspective of the Newly Enlightened Alpha. The NEA thinks this way and it is false.

        Truth is, she will never see him that way. She'll still feel justified in her decision as she knows what he was and will base her logic upon that.

        It isn't a revenge fantasy to be amused at a woman who so desperatly wants (needs?) to hamster a decision she made and misperceive reality in the face of a plain-as-day incontrovertible rebuttal to her past decision. I am definitely not advocating that an improved guy confront his ex with a "Look at me now!", because that isn't very alpha even if he is more so than he was prior. Suppose they just meet at a party and exchange plesantries, with the man making no moves to rekindle anything. What I'm saying is that if she silently chooses to perceive his objectively improved SMV as "fake or temporary", and also disregard the objective qualities he had that attracted her in the first place ("objective" in that they worked to attract her, even though qualities are obviously subjective), she's just hamstering.


        All this said...maybe it's a question of her thinking that there's really truly no such thing as a learned alpha—that any SMV improvements are really just a façade to her. The same reason that women don't want men reading TRP—they want a man who just "gets it". I'd think it's that before thinking she's actively ignoring an ex's improvements, to be honest—she'd more be disregarding them since she "knows the real him and he's really beta" (which is kind of funny but at least it makes sense from this perspective).

        [–]Luckyluke23 -1 points0 points  (11 children)

        this is true man...

        but on the other side of the coin are you saying that you can change her mind on a LONG ENOUGH TIME SCALE ( I'm talking more than say 10 years maybe, just want to know if the concept is real?)

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          [–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          interesting how the mind works..

          [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Thanks man this explaines evetything and nore. Thanks so much

          [–]KingRead 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          C'mon man, 10 years from now she's gonna look like shit. Not worth the wait.

          [–]all_the_right_moves 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Absolutely: if you are somehow forced into close social proximity that you aren't arranging yourself over a long period of time (i.e. a church or school) and appear to be over her (abundance), and consistently demonstrate alpha characteristics, and the other girls are abuzz about you, she could very well change her mind about you over the course of time. But she will see any mistakes/relapses on your part 10x faster than another girl would.

          Either she tried to ignore these when she slowly grew to see you as an alpha, and will drop you hard once reminded of them, or she's one of the top few % of women and realized that you were worth tolerating a beta tendency or two (this is a key principle of RPW, not any kind of purple-pill apologetics) and will overlook a slip-up once in a while. This is rare.

          Just because winning the lottery is possible, doesn't make a ticket a wise investment.

          [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Very well put with a well-summarizing end analogy.

          Essentially, rekindling with a woman whose perceived a man as beta is ultimately considered a poor investment. Mistakes weigh much heavier and all Alpha traits must constantly be proven.

          Hence why marriage with a non-RPW is synonymous to gambling.

          [–]Senior Contributoradam-l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Hence why marriage with a non-RPW is synonymous to gambling.

          As a note, if OP is right (which I strongly support), and women can have their cake and eat it too, the concept of a "RPW" is void.

          [–]Forsoul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          To straight up answer your question, I'd say NO, you don't change her mind after that long ass time. Her mind changed from wanting an AF to a BB. She will want you if you are a BB.

          Here's my little story.

          I reconnected with a college ex from 7 years ago just this year. It didn't end well back then. We've both grown a lot and admitted our mistakes. Bad shit happened too, but I don't perceive her as that person she was anymore but see her in a new adult light.

          So yes people change/grow-up after a long ass time and no contact. I don't expect the same childish shit from her because she's not looking to run around and have fun any more...

          But her SMV has significantly dropped:

          She is now a single mom (with a kid from a wife beating, Chad dad who's now in prison), has put on a bit more weight, etc. So obviously she is looking for her BB.

          If you are Ok with being the BB jump on it. I for one will be taking TRP advice and setting my sights on my 30s as my prime time to be single and mingle.

          [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 27 points28 points  (5 children)

          I will add that getting their beta bucks isn't as satisfying in the end as many come to resent these guys for not being the Chads they yearn for from their youth. So if there's some vengeance to be had, that would be it. On the other hand, these guys may eventually get divorced raped. The silver lining to even that cloud is that it is partly what's responsible for our growth, thus adding to our numbers of men who've been burned and teach the next generation what to watch out for.


          At a meta level there's a silver lining in all of this: TRP is a cultural zeitgeist for men even if we don't intend it to be. Eventually the AF/BB game women have been playing since day one will come to a slow end as more and more men wise up. I suspect once we cross a threshold and this observation becomes common knowledge, that's the day I think we'll see a return to young women's sexuality being carefully guarded by parents, grandparents, mentors, and so on, and the gravy train that is hookup culture comes to a screeching halt.

          What that will look like for society as a whole, I have no idea. Some may say this is a bad thing, but it depends on how you look at it. If you want to go the traditional values route and settle down young, then this is for you. If you want a hot young thin wife to stay home with hearth and home, this is for you. If you want far lower chances of being divorced raped by an alpha widow, this is for you. If you want men to have something to work for and build and maintain society, this is for you. The only guys who would really suffer are the Chads and top 10-20% of frat bros of the world who are running through women like crazy in college and just after.

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            [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I agree. Hookup culture is here to stay, and betas are not going to have some kind of uprising where they "retame and re-house their women!" How ridiculous. Alphas and women want this kind of ecosystem - and most betas actually think they want it.

            Technology is going to evolve faster than this backlash - as long as there is a demand for top men and all women (60% of society) to have consequence free sex, people are going to innovate and create ways for them to do so.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Where did you read that 60% of the population is female?

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Correct. I make no bones about the fact that having sex with her Beta Bux husband will be vanilla and boring at best and possibly even repulsive and revolting at worst. But, even knowing this, the wall-approaching woman cannot deny the Epiphany she faces: (Option A) risk being alone while trying to get commitment from non-committal men she finds attractive, or (Option B) obtain commitment from commitment-minded men whom she doesn't really find attractive.

            And when Option B comes with the Beta's dutifully earned income from a good paying job, a 5 bedroom McMansion in the suburbs, 2.5 kids, and 2 SUVs in the driveway, she can stomach the twice a month and once-more-on-his-birthday starfish sex, safe in the knowledge that all she has to do is look around her, to see what her consolation prizes will be if her levels of Beta disdain ever eclipse her ability to stomach them.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I will add that getting their beta bucks isn't as satisfying in the end as many come to resent these guys for not being the Chads they yearn for from their youth.

            Can confirm.

            [–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (14 children)

            While it’s true that a number of women are able to game the system and secure a Beta Bux husband after years of slutting it up on the cock carousel, the plummeting U.S. marriage rate, particularly among Millennials, is evidence that an increasing number of women are beginning to suffer the consequences of delaying marriage after “exploring their sexuality” during their younger years.

            Why is this happening? There’s a concept in economics known as Adverse Selection, which captures the idea of a "rigged" trade. When buyers and sellers have access to different information (asymmetric information), in the short run traders with better information about the quality of a product will have the upper hand and selectively participate in trades which benefit them the most.

            In the long run, though, prospective buyers begin to figure out that the market is rigged and begin to assign lower and lower values to the product and ultimately withdraw from the market.

            This happened in the used car market, where buyers began to figure out that dealers often lied about the quality of the merchandise they were selling. Before the creation of lemon laws, CarFax, CarMax and used car information services, it was generally understood that buying a used car was a big risk and that a buyer was likely to get ripped off, so consumers generally began to approach buying used cars with extreme caution or avoided buying used cars.

            This applies to the sexual and relationship marketplace today. More millennial men are starting to wise up and question the LTR value of women in this generation after observing and hearing about them slutting it up during their teens and twenties. More men are beginning to not trust women when they report low N counts. This is probably a big reason why marriage rates are plummeting and the interest in TRP and MGTOW is exploding.

            So there does appear to be some kind of karmic justice or at least a logical market reaction at work that will ultimately result in many women suffering the consequences of their carousel riding ways.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 17 points18 points  (9 children)

            I agree with the conclusions you have drawn here, but I think that using the marriage rate is a conflation with the point I'm making. I think what is going on here is that the millennial crowd is just choosing to "shack up" with their betas, over a long term.

            This is advantageous to the Beta Bux; it makes it less financially risky for the millennial Beta Bux if the Wall Slammer chooses to cheat or leave. And, it still leaves the possibility of a post-wall Alpha Fux to come along for the Wall Slammer to cheat with.

            In other words, cohabitation is a net benefit for Mr. Bux, and cohabitation is a net-neutral for the Wall Slammer when it concerns her options. Sure, she would ultimately prefer marriage because of the cash and prizes she can get in divorce, after she kicks Mr. Bux out of his own house and moves her new Chad in to have sex in his own bed, but even if he won't marry her, he's a "safe option" to help pay her bills in the meantime, marriage or no marriage.

            [–]mugatucrazypills 12 points13 points  (7 children)

            co-habitation is a serious negative for wall slammers, it comes with significantly reduced cash and prizes in my area anyways.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            And they don't get an overpriced ring and expensive wedding, the real female jackpot.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            They want to get married, but not be married.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

            Right, but even without the cash and prizes at the end, look at all the benefits she's reaping in the mean time by shacking up with Mr. Bux; he's probably paying half the rent/mortgage, half of the utility bills, if she's a single mother he's helping to feed her kids and put a roof over their heads, etc, etc.

            Contrast that with the alternative of living alone, and there are still plenty of bennies to be had for her. And if a Chad comes along who she can bang behind Mr. Bux's back, even better.

            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

            On the flip side, I could cohabitate with someone, have her pay my mortgage without telling her I own the house (while matching her payment to bring the principle down) then dump her once I've paid it off. I don't really want to share my house but it's a funny idea.

            [–]glottony 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Palimony, daddy state gon' getcha

            [–]mugatucrazypills 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            she can lie on her back getting filled with the local realtors' spunk at the Motel 8 like American Beauty, at best that will only take the edge off the unpleasantness of being her. Brad Pitt ain't gonna hit that all, AT best she'll get a bisexual kevin spacey licking her photo

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I hear you, but a wall slammer shacking up with a Beta is just a small step up from her living with a couple of cats. You know she's disgusted when he wants to fuck her, no wedding, no social media bragging rights. Pretty disappointing consolation prize for her.

            [–]FinallyRed 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            The SMP is different than typical markets in a number of ways. First up is the culture of brainwashing boys into thinking they need women to "complete" them that obfuscates rational decision making. There's the women are wonderful effect. And there's the backlash TRP knows all too well against the male spaces that inevitably reduce the bargaining power of the pussy cartel through honest and feels-free discourse. The internet has helped to negate these factors greatly but we will see if betas gonna continue to beta.

            [–]Codex_Dev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            FUCKIN AMEN. Best conclusion I have read on TRP in regards to the decline of marriage. This should be nominated to go on the sidebar.

            [–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I think you're downplaying the value available to careful buyers in the used car market by comparing these vehicles to old vagina.

            [–]redzorp 12 points13 points  (1 child)

            OP is bang on.

            I'm 50 now, so I've seen my fair share. All the sluts I have known, either personally or through extended social networks, eventually settled down with a beta bux. Every. Single. One.

            Of course many of them settled with men way down on the social scale but the used up sluts hamstered their way into accepting that, either through mental gymnastics or by becoming born-again religious nuts.

            The few cat ladies I have known were either extreme Alpha widows, devastated by some unrequited love. Or women with such low SMV that even homeless men would probably pass them over.

            [–]mugatucrazypills 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            here's another reason to resent the faggot religions that permeate our culture,

            born again, revirginization, holier than thou, i don't do anal in christ now even though I sucked and fucked and got buttplugged by the whole chad olympic team 3 years ago

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5hoxWmZ9I

            [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

            Solid post, reminds me of this story about letting go

            Worry about you, be the best you that you can be and get everything from this life you possibly can. Who gives a fuck if government officials or sluts are getting away with everything; as long as you're good, life's good.

            [–]FrameWalker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Great story.

            [–]Sdom1 27 points28 points  (1 child)

            This doesn't just apply to Red Pill - It's called the Just World Fallacy, that there is somehow some feedback system that punishes the unjust and rewards the just. Just as its name suggests, it's bullshit.

            I got this drummed into me by an older guy, a boss and mentor, in typically brutal fashion:

            Me: Well, he'll get what's coming to him.

            B: Seriously, that is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard you say, and you've said some dumb shit.

            Me: What, why?

            B: Because there's just no connection. People get away with all sorts of shit and live happy lives. You can be a good person who got fucked and end up in a pile of shit. As you get older you'll see enough examples to know this is correct.

            In the end, this is just a way to make yourself feel better or a way to live with bitching out and not doing anything about getting fucked. Either way, stop. Either do something about it or let it go.

            Me: Alrighty then.

            He's absolutely right, and the older I get the more I realize he dropped some serious wisdom on me. He is something of a dutch uncle to me, but that's OK since most of his guidance has been spot on.

            [–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            The Just World Fallacy is actually really important for a society. We have achieved this level of civilization because the majority of the population believe that working hard, being nice, "doing the right thing" will bring them happiness and a good life, while cheating, stealing and being a jerk will catch up to them.

            Being bad and having bad things happen to you are related, but not because of some intrinsic cosmic balance. It's the essence prisoner's dilemma: collaboration beats competition if everyone plays along, but if one person doesn't, then their selfishness trumps even collaboration. We instinctively know it, that's why we hate people who don't play by the rules, even if those rules are our subjective view on what constitutes decency. So if someone is "being a jerk", and perceived as such by the majority of his peers, people will stop collaborating with him and he will lose in the long run. That's how people "get their comeuppance", and how "karma" works. That's the "Just World" you need to believe in when you want to live in a society.

            The problem is that we have thrown away the caveat that too is instinctively known by pretty much everyone: that people aren't equal. So Average Joe being a dick will ultimately get what's coming to him, but Harry Bad Boy, heir to a fortune of a few millions, can do whatever the hell he wants and nothing bad will happen to him. The same is true for women, Sexy Sally, the super hot, upper-middle class chick will absolutely have her cake and eat it too. It is Simple Suzie who will crash and burn if she imitates Sally, racks up the notch count and then wakes up too late to find that all the betas are gone.

            Equalism is the biggest societal threat precisely because it throws off the mechanics of what we perceive as "Just World", even more so because it usually replaces a religious worldview that strengthens a socially needed Just World view. Namely that the world is just for average people, but that as you start going to the extremes, the rules don't apply anymore. The real danger is what happens when people who kept being suckers violently wake up and decide it is time for a bit of "justice" in this world.

            [–]Codex_Dev 14 points15 points  (21 children)

            I don't think that's entirely true JP_Whoregan. Darlock linked to some current marriage studies not too long ago that showed marriage in the US is declining. Maybe not rapidly, but it's there. Not to mention all the men who are MGTOW. The future could end up looking similar to all the herbivore men in Japan.

             

            Ultimately this will result in fewer betabux out there for women to get married to. While some CC riders may certainly hit the BB AF jackpot lottery, most of them will end up spinsters.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 12 points13 points  (14 children)

            Yes, marriage rates may be on the decline, but it will never reach or even come close to approaching zero. And if the rates decline at a faster rate than they are declining now, you will see the government enact laws, incentives, and even bachelor taxes to stunt and reverse the trend.

            The reason for this is simple, and that is that the government knows it can't take care of the needs of all of these spinsters and single mothers. For every dollar they can milk for alimony and child support, that's one more dollar that the government doesn't have to spend.

            [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 15 points16 points  (3 children)

            We already have a variety of modern day bachelor taxes. Case in point: Obamacare. Women benefit disproportionately and men pay disproportionately more.

            http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/14/news/economy/obamacare-premiums/

            [–]mugatucrazypills 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Even with bachelor taxes you don't get married at all you save a few million(and up) over your life. I'll make you a millionaire just sitting there.

            Plus a man can live simply and be happy, for a woman living simply is hell. Which I suppose it the point of MGTOW.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            Yes. ObamaCare mandates "free" (read: taxpayer funded) hormonal birth control for all women on all insurance plans. That means you and I are literally paying sluts to have the ability to slut child free. Let that marinate for a minute. If my taxes are gonna pay for a slut's birth control, I should at least get a videotape of random women fucking back with my tax return.

            I'm a health & life insurance agent, I could go on and on about shit in this law that will boil the blood.

            For instance, before ObamaCare, we charged women more premium at any given age than men. Why? Because they are more expensive actuarially and they utilize medical services at rates far greater than that of men (when a man gets the flu he takes some NyQuil and sleeps it off; when a woman gets the flu, she runs to the ER). But now, the man rate has been increased to mirror the woman rate, all because "equaaaallliiitteeeee".

            [–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            And if their kids cough once, they're dialing 911.

            [–]Sdom1 8 points9 points  (2 children)

            Dude, bachelor taxes are already in place, you get raped by Uncle Sam if you're single and childless.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            This is true all over the tax code, and the reason I didn't say this above is because few people ever follow my logic on it:

            Any tax break given as an incentive to encourage or discourage a particular behavior is, by default, a tax penalty on any person or business who does not behave the way the government desires.

            Take electric cars, for instance (which really don't pollute less than gas cars, but that's a different discussion). The federal government gives anyone who purchases an electric car a tax credit of $7,500. This is, ipso facto, a $7,500 tax penalty on anyone who doesn't buy an electric car like the gov't wants you to.

            This whole concept of using the tax code to coerce behavior is despicable and patently unconstitutional, and how it still happens is beyond me.

            [–]Sdom1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            An even better example for people who didn't know about this are the tax breaks surrounding home ownership. The government punishes renters (read: poor and young people) while handing huge tax breaks to "aspirational" types so they can get more house than they'd otherwise be able to afford.

            The weird thing is nobody ever acknowledges the fact that these types of policies always come with highly unpleasent second order effects that are hard to predict. Probably because the power is so tempting.

            [–]Codex_Dev 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            you will see the government enact laws, incentives, and even bachelor taxes to stunt and reverse the trend

            Some governments already have, and they are failing miserably. Sweden has made huge incentives for women to have more children and yet their birthrate is still sinking. And there ain't no fucking way a bachelor tax can be worse than divorce, child support, and alimony.

            The reason for this is simple, and that is that the government knows it can't take care of the needs of all of these spinsters and single mothers. For every dollar they can milk for alimony and child support, that's one more dollar that the government doesn't have to spend.

            This is a paradox. Why would government politicians incentive males to marry? Most of the left panders exclusively to single moms. They DO NOT WANT them to get married. Most married women vote right. Many of the divorce settlements, alimony laws, and child support shenanigans are the result of PRO-FEMALE legislation PUSHED by feminists and National Organization of Women. My point being - politicians are gonna do whatever it takes to get that vote. I don't foresee them making marriage 2.0 any better for men, because there will be a shitstorm from the 'independent' women voting them out of office.

            [–]2Overkillengine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Why would government politicians incentive males to marry?

            It's a lot harder to divorce rape a man if he never signed up for it.

            It can still be done, it's just not as easy or efficient at extracting profit.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Why would government politicians incentive males to marry?

            Because without the multi-billion dollar marriage industrial complex, there's no way to have the multi-billion dollar divorce, child support, and alimony enforcement industrial complex.

            I never said the government wanted eternally happy nuclear families. They'd much rather tax two households from split parents than tax one household from married parents.

            But they gotta get the pre-divorce rape documents marriage contract in order first.

            [–]hebola4lyfe 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            you will see the government enact laws, incentives, and even bachelor taxes to stunt and reverse the trend.

            Do you realize how suicidal that is for the government ? If the government does something like this then why would people stay in it ?

            That's like imposing a tax for breathing air .

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            They do tax us for breathing air. It's called the taxpayer funded Environmental Protection Agency, who has determined carbon dioxide, which we exhale from our lungs, to be a pollutant.

            [–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Also the air that plants breath.

            [–]Lt_Muffintoes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            I wonder which statist shitbird le downboated you. In Britainistan, they recently banned breathing the wrong kind of air. Apparently nox is ebul. I can now literally go to prison for breathing

            [–]Sdom1 16 points17 points  (4 children)

            Marriage rates are on the decline due to the welfare state and child support collection, not any MGTOW bullshit. This allows a woman to cheat nature; in the old days, out of wedlock children meant a horrible fate for her and her children. Shotgun weddings were a real thing because of this. You knocked up some girl and her old man would literally fucking kill you if you didn't marry her.

            As JP_Whoregan says, marriage rates won't hit zero, but where we differ is that they'll get pretty damned low with the exception of the upper classes, which are still very traditionally structured (surprise, surprise!).

            Fun fact - among the upper classes, it's still pretty damn common for the woman to stay home and take care of the kids. It's not universal, but I'd say at least half from what I've seen. That's the true status symbol nowadays.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Marriage rates are on the decline due to the welfare state and child support collection, not any MGTOW bullshit.

            EGG-FUCKING-ZACTLY. TRP, MRA, MGTOW, none of us are even close to being a blip on the radar when it comes to the grand scheme of things. The only reason marriage rates are on the decline is that women who get knocked up today can simply replace the father with another father, and that father is big daddy government.

            [–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Real status is telling my specialist MD wife to stay home because we don't need the money.

            Mugatu doesn't have real status, but he has Internet Status.

            [–]Sdom1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Real status is telling my specialist MD wife to stay home because we don't need the money.

            That shit happens all the time in the upper classes - women who have really high end educations and just stay at home and raise the kids. Which is really unfortunate, if you think about it; those are spots that could have gone to people who would actually have made use of the opportunities they afford.

            [–]JackGoldsteinWrites 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            If I had that wife, I'd put her to work but make her give me her paycheque. I'd probably spin it like the act of working itself is below me, I'm here to govern/rule. You go do the "dirty work".

            [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            The thing with that is that even that scenario isn't all that bad for these women. They're simple creatures, they'll spend 8 hours at their empty desk job, spend the paycheque on clothes and shoes, then go get fucked by some Chad and call it a night. Or they could cut out the fucking bit altogether like the women in Japan. They don't really live for much more than that.

            Modern society is structured so that women never lose, and if they're leaning on a precipice then the government only needs extract more resources from men to keep the system going.

            Dropping marriage rates is going to suck for everyone when the inevitable economic stagnation sets in, but women won't feel the brunt of that, beta male worker bees will.

            [–]BetterBadIdeas 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            Fact is, society fucks men in terms of sex and equity in relationships, but that's why the top 5% of men pretty much run the world, while the top 5% of women run the school board. Stop fantasizing about leveling the playing feild and start climbing to the highest spot on the male side of said field.

            [–]mugatucrazypills 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            Time will take it's revenge, her eggs are dying and despite what you've read on here the supply of quality men is dwindling like some sort of desert aquifier.

            It's all downhill for these these biatches. I'm sure she can cash in some 2nd rate food stamp beta bucks and a beta student loan for a 2nd rate night classes on the vag installment plan, but face it, after 35 everything in life will be regret. No more real earth shaking tingles for the rest of her life.

            Another 45-50 years of watching her pancake tits in the mirror travel floor-ward and thinking about what was.

            [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

            Not every woman's life ends at 25 or and not every woman lives like a goddess forever. The obvious truth is that some women will be fucked, particularly the especially vapid or especially active. Some women won't be. Women can get away with more than they should, but they still can't get away with absolute pure hedonistic travesties. The wall is real but so is female privilege.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

            The wall is real but so is female privilege.

            This is kind of what I'm driving at. Any woman who's 35 and single is single by choice, not by force; the same cannot be said for low SMV men. For any woman above a "3" on the SMV scale, there is no such thing as "incel" for women. There is only "her standards far outstrip her value."

            I conducted an experiment a couple months ago where I created a female OKC profile with a fat heifer as the profile pic. I said in the profile that my favorite hobbies were Netflix, Instagramming, pizza, and McDonalds. I also said "short or fat guys need not apply."

            The inbox was full in a week, and it wasn't all fat neckbeards replying either. The thirst is real.

            [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

            Women's bodies are valued similarly to men's time. A neckbeard can go out and talk to people without them wanting anything in return. His time's not as valuable as his preferable counterparts but people will value it. Women, even desirable women, have a hard time getting anyone to take their time other than in hopes of boning them. Women talking to orbiters is like being the man who has to settle for fat chicks. She truly cannot get anyone decent to talk to her and so she picks that thirsty little prick.

            [–]T0000009 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            She truly cannot get anyone decent to talk to her and so she picks that thirsty little prick.

            Well put, and right on target. Women crave AF attention, but are forced to accept BB attention because the AF isn't going to waste his time on her for long.

            [–]okkyle 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            /u/JP_Whoregan, I agree with spirit of this post. Newbies need to stop obsessing over their ex-gf's getting what's coming to them. It's really just a perverse form of oneites, and that energy would be better spent on self improvement. However, I think you're wrong in one important sense. Women aren't getting to eat their cake and have it too. They're losing. Feminism has wrecked absolute havoc on women and their prospects for long term happiness, and all the studies, surveys, and stats bare this fact out.

            Surveys across the board show that women are now less happy than men on average, despite the face that young women now earn more than young men for the same work

            There are more women going childless now than ever before.

            I know this is all stuff you well know.

            The results are in: Feminism destroyed the nuclear family, and it's a disaster for everyone. Men, women, and children especially. Nobody is winning, but men are better able to find solace and amusement in hobbies, games, and career pursuits. Due to the prolonged length of our prime SMV years, men are able to find gratifying sexual and romantic relationships well into our later years, even divorced men. I know the numbers on post-divorce men and depression and suicide are brutal, but from what I've seen, if a man can make it through those first five years after the split and rebuild his life, he ends up a lot happier in the long run, much to the chagrin of his fat, jealous, stretched-marked, alimony-collecting ex-wife.

            As men and women age, women become both less happy than men, and jealous that men are happier and more carefree than they are, which in turn makes women even more unhappy.

            You're correct, and in a sense many women do manage to "have their cake and eat it" by being crafty enough to ride the CC for just the right amount of time and hop to find their eager, flower-baring BB, but even these women don't end up for happy in the long run. The BB husband, the kids, the AF on the side, this is just a makeshift strategy that will not fulfill her the way a traditional style monogamous relationship with a high-quality man would.

            So, again while I totally agree with your basic premise. Day dreaming about your ex getting what she deserves is beta, but you don't need to twist reality to your point.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            I'm not saying that these women end up in a world of 100% happiness. I'm saying that the disaster that some of the revenge-porn-happy newbies around here imagine these women will get is vastly overblown.

            I'll reference you to another reply I made in this thread to illustrate my point:

            I make no bones about the fact that having sex with her Beta Bux husband will be vanilla and boring at best and possibly even repulsive and revolting at worst. But, even knowing this, the wall-approaching woman cannot deny the Epiphany she faces: (Option A) risk being alone while trying to get commitment from non-committal men she finds attractive, or (Option B) obtain commitment from commitment-minded men whom she doesn't really find attractive.

            And when Option B comes with the Beta's dutifully earned income from a good paying job, a 5 bedroom McMansion in the suburbs, 2.5 kids, and 2 SUVs in the driveway, she can stomach the twice a month and once-more-on-his-birthday starfish sex, safe in the knowledge that all she has to do is look around her, to see what her consolation prizes will be if her levels of Beta disdain ever eclipse her ability to stomach them.

            Yes, overall, I agree, feminism has been a net disaster for women. Most women would agree even if they don't admit it publicly. I'm just trying to dispel the notion that these women will fall helplessly into despair and total solitude as a result of their bad decisions. Society will not allow its women to suffer the consequences of their bad decisions. This is why the majority of homeless is male war veterans.

            [–]okkyle 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            I agree. It's like many of these guys, hammered flat and scorned by rejection for so long, come to TRP, read about the Wall and become giddy with revenge like a comic book villain. They go around on other subs throwing their new found knowledge in the face of female posters (I've seen some of these dudes do this on the RPW sub of all places.)

            I'm just saying that the idea that women will have their cake and still eat it with sprinkles on top...that's a stretch. A better analogy would be

            Women get to eat their cake until it's no more, but soon lament the fact that it's gone and blame men. White knight society then rushes in and gives women a stale chocolate donut. It's certainly no cake, but at least women won't starve.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            women will have their cake and still eat it with sprinkles on top.

            That was a literary device that I borrowed from Michael's Story to use as a spring-off for my post. It's designed to hook the reader in, commonly used by news outlets. It obviously worked.

            [–]Evileddie13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Lmao, revenege porn is a phase in THIS redpill life. Then suddenly, 6 months to 3 years, down the line you stop giving a shit and work on getting yours.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Good timing. I have been freaking out about this shit lately.

            There was a natural that grew up in my area during my youth. I saw him a while ago looking fucking pissed with a cigarette and shitty ass vibe about him. He walked ahead of a chick pushing a carriage, she clearly suckered him into fatherhood. Distastrous.

            [–]Theophagist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            is it any real surprise that women don’t suffer consequences for their slutty actions?

            Not the way we would like them to perhaps, but I am still of the belief that hedonism bears its own punishment. Of course I don't expect them to recognize the source of their pain.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

            Through the advances of modern birth control and STD remedy, today's women are for the most part shielded from the punishments of their hedonism. The only real consequence left is if they become sterile due to the PID brought on from multiple diagnoses of chlamydia.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Living well and always growing and improving is all a man needs. I agree, all this time spent pondering revenge fantasies is worthless, and amounts to time taken away from self-improvement.

            Thanks for posting what needed to be said.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

            I think this "revenge porn fantasies" come from a belief, that there is justice in the world. Everyone who did something bad, will get something bad in return, someday.

            This is just another illusion from Disney stories that blue pill guys have. World is not a fair place, there is no justice. It's you against the world. No higher meaning.

            [–]boomerbux 2 points3 points  (5 children)

            I disagree. Sure people get away with murder. But do you think they are happy? You think they have a good life? You think they feel good when they look in a mirror? There is justice, but it just isn't obvious to people who don't think about it deeply enough. Sounds like a lot of bitterness and anger in there, that probably doesn't need to be.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            Some murderers are psychopats, they dont feel empathy, they think nothing of their murdering.

            But you're comparing murder, which is illegal by law, and women choosing AF in her best years and BB for the rest of the years. I dont think these 2 are comparable tbh.

            [–]boomerbux 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            If a person doesn't have feelings at all, I'd say they have a pretty sad life. Of course 'murder' is a bad analogy, but my point is that people who cheat, lie, whatever, do not feel great about themselves, even if they pretend they do. So, sure, people get away with shit all the time, meaning they don't do time in jail, but they pay in other ways. If you don't believe that, I would suggest you don't know how to achieve your own true happiness, as you don't understand where it comes from. It doesn't come from cheating, being a slut, being lazy, etc, etc. It comes from 'doing the right thing', being productive, and loving yourself. (In as brief a description as I can think of.)

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            If a person doesn't have feelings at all, I'd say they have a pretty sad life.

            Altough I agree, it's irrelevant for this conversation.

            my point is that people who cheat, lie, whatever, do not feel great about themselves, even if they pretend they do.

            I think you're projecting your way of thinking onto others. There are countless posts on TRP about how women just hamster away their cheating. I know it's hard to understand that women are not likely-minded as we are, but I believe TRP that this is the way it is.

            If you don't believe that, I would suggest you don't know how to achieve your own true happiness, as you don't understand where it comes from. It doesn't come from cheating, being a slut, being lazy, etc, etc. It comes from 'doing the right thing', being productive, and loving yourself. (In as brief a description as I can think of.)

            I fail to see your connection between higher justice (or karma) and my happiness. TBH I dont understand why you wrote this whole happiness part, I dont see it having any connection with karma. Maybe your thinking is "if I do good to others, I will be treated good in return", but is this really being good, or just being "nice guy"?

            [–]boomerbux 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I was replying to someone who wrote that life is not fair and justice doesn't exist. In some cases life isn't fair (kids die in accidents), but those examples are the exception. In general good things happen to people who work hard and do the right thing, like treat people well. That does not mean be a doormat, it means don't be a lying, cheating asshole. I am new to TRP, but I don't think that the message is you have to cheat to get people to respect you? The happiness part comes from the obvious bitterness you hear from people who say 'life is not fair, there is no justice'. I disagree, and I don't let the fact that some assholes get away with (whatever) affect me or my well being. I believe they are not truly happy, and that is justice, karma or whatever name you want to put on it. Believing that behaving like the worst examples of women talked about here does not lead to an unhappy life is misguided. And even if these women supposedly married to 'beta bucks' are happy (huh? what?) who cares. There are 6 billion people out there. Are you concerned about all of them? I look after myself, and don't give a damn what other people do, as long as they leave me out of it. I am quite fine doing my thing. If you have to rely on others for your happiness, I think you'll be pretty fucking unhappy.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I don't want to be mean, but you must be young to think like that. Since you're new, lurk more and you'll see how wrong your thinking is.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This is a great post and I agree there's a dangerous tendency to invent these excessive "justice porn" fantasies as a way of feeling better. Nerds do it here for jocks ("they will be broke beer belly losers reliving their glory days while I run a hot start up") and it gets cloying - no dude, face the reality, SOME jocks will wind up like that, some will network well in college, get a cushy job, get fast-tracked to more senior positions because they are likable and confident, and will 30 years later still have a good life.

            It's a very important point. But this being said, "society" or "the wall" does not punish these girls, but many do destroy their ability to find happiness. Years of high-excitement partying and slutting with alphas who discard her does not accrue "negative universal karma" but it does change her brain. It does ruin her ability to pair bond and feel in love and sexually stimulated by your typical above average, but still kinda beta guy.

            Whereas in a time long ago, she COULD have been reasonably happy, in love, and even somewhat sexually stoked about banging the semi beta/alpha guy and being his woman, she now can't find any happiness. She craves the past like an addict craves coke - now from the outside her life looks good, she's got a beta husband to pay the bills, etc, maybe she has her fuck toy Chad. But real life is deeper than the picture - her marriage is pretty much doomed to be unhappy, her Chads start getting less alpha until she's actually the pump toy for betas getting their first taste of power / confidence.

            Slutting and partying and being an LA girl isn't going to earn her the "universe's payback" but it will change her mind, and slowly alter her threshold for happiness, arousal, validation, etc. Making it so that even if she lucks out and finds an "fairly alpha with bucks" - aka the type of guy she could have had the Disney dream with - she'll not be satisfied. Alpha dick is like coke - the memories of how she felt when she walked past the line of the LA club and all these hot dudes wanted to get with her, and she had her pick... they stick with her and torture her. She'd give anything to feel that way again, and that's why these "ex-carousel riders" who do grab a beta generally are not very happy at all.

            Yeah they can always find men to be into them, yeah they will never starve on the street like men when we contribute nothing to society. Some will be A-OK and be completely happy to leverage AF/BB to their heart's content. But most of them just become validation / stimulation junkies who like a coke addict spend their lives futilely chasing a high that's already behind them.

            I think it's important to acknowledge both sides of the coin - some women ever from CC riding unscathed on the surface and it looks genius, like they got the best of everything. And some do, as OP mentioned. But I would venture to say that many of these women have changed the way their brain works to the point where they can no longer be truly happy. It's why chicks 25% on antidepressants and getting worse, and it's why some of the hottest chicks are deeply unhappy and dysfunctional - modern society fractures them, even though to us it often seems like they get their cake and eat it too.

            [–]HAMMURABl 12 points13 points  (5 children)

            I disagree. She will suffer - and her BB will too.

            The chick, because she is an alpha-widow and will never be happy. And the beta, who will become the horse chasing the carrot.

            You on the other hand, no matter what, will have learned to have rely on yourself. A woman will always be complementary in your life, never the main focus.

            Finding and coming to peace with theredpill rules of life is the most psychologically stabilizing and fulfilling state a man can experience in the long-term, right after finding a unicorn. but unicorns don't exist.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            I think it depends on how you define "suffering". I tend to view "suffering" as analog, not digital; it's variable, and there are different degrees of "suffering". When I say she will not suffer, what I mean is that in most cases, she will not end up a tired old 50 year old spinster in a one bedroom apartment full of cats.

            Her life will not be anywhere near as bad as some people here fantasize it will be.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Great post. Something every new guy needs to read. It will help him get past the anger phase a bit quicker if he understands this.

            Guys: Your ex GF or that cock carousel rider you know is still going to get married if she wants to.

            A few of the carousel riders you know, oh, one or two of them, will hit the jackpot. She'll find some natural alpha who really wants to marry her. They'll get married and truly live happily ever after. She will forget her carouseling days, because she fulfilled her objective -- she locked down one of the pretty horses.

            The only drawback is that he'll likely cheat on her. In the back of her mind she'll know it; but she'll be OK with it. Being a natural alpha, he'll know exactly how to cheat discreetly without ever jeopardizing her position as his Number One; or he'll be so attractive that he'll do it more overtly but she will look the other way. She knows he's the best she's ever had, so she will quietly tolerate his philandering.

            A few of the women will be left standing when the game of musical chairs stops, and there will be no men left. This will again be one or two of them. They will work hard at their careers and make the best of it. If they are still somewhat attractive, they'll keep dating lesser and lesser quality men until their SMVs finally zero out. Men are so thirsty, though, that they'll keep dating (read: Having sex with) those men for quite a while, well into their 40s. They will still get a few chumps to buy them dinners and drinks in hopes they'll get a handjob or a little obligation sex out of it.

            But most of them, 85%+, will get married to average men, not too attractive but not total losers either. And she will like her husband, feel affection toward him, even love him and care about him. She even has a little bit of sexual attraction for him. Not like she had for the alpha hot guys she used to fuck. But she has a little bit. She doesn't mind having sex with him. She is willing to have sex with him. But she doesn't really want sex with him, isn't really hot for him. And their marriage will make it a long time, a good 8, 15, 25 years, even until one of them dies. Half of these marriages will go the distance, friends.

            Those men will father their children and raise them. They'll break their backs for their wives who kinda sorta love them. And she'll appreciate him, kinda, watch TV with him, and go on vacations with him. She'll make budgets with him, discipline the kids with him, take the car in for servicing with him, go to school plays and football games with him, and decorate the house for Christmas with him.

            But she'll never fuck him like she fucked Chad. She'll never toss her head back in lust; never lose herself, never shriek in orgasmic delight with him.

            And she knows this. And she will say it's worth it, because she has what she needs now.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            The hotter a chick is - the more likely she'll get ice cream and sprinkles.

            When they know it (and most of them do) it makes them insufferable jackasses to be around.

            Women like this rely on male thirst almost exclusively for just about everything in their lives. They do because they can - its just as simple as that.

            Seriously, if we didn't love vagina as much as we do we'd tell them to fuck right off most of the time - but we do love pussy and in order to get the kind of pussy we want to get many of us are willing to put up with selfish, manipulative, asinine behavior we wouldn't ordinarily put up with from friends and associates.

            However ultimately, the choice is yours of whether you want to allow yourself to enter a parasitic relationship with a self-involved floozy looking for said ice cream and sprinkles. We all have the power of self determination. You'd be surprised how many successful 40+ year old men laugh in the faces of former carousel riders for anything other than a POA. At this point men get wise. They know when a bitch is a total creep. When you have money and mature good looks at 40 years old, you will get pussy if you have any game at all. The best part is, you won't be on fire for it. You'll (or at least you should) have your sense about you to see clearly and make better decisions.

            I've said often enough that the tables do turn in a man's favor post-35 years of age. They do, unmistakably.

            Does that equate to a comeuppance? Karmic revenge? Depends on the girl. Do they all end up with an AMEX black and a Mercedes? The smarter, hotter ones do, but that's no lock by any stretch. In difference to what /u/JP_Whoregan is stating, I've seen more than a handful of former hot little pernicious 25 year olds end up as spent out 40 year olds - divorced with 2 or 3 kids just fucking miserable. Actions do have consequences, even for wicked-brained 25 year old HB9s. The ones that lose their looks fall down hard - and it can get super pathetic how sad and lonely they get. They put on 40-50 pounds and get severely humbled. The ones that keep looking good into their 40s continue to have dumb ass beta orbiters. Its really up to the character of the woman on whether or not she chooses to cultivate that kind of attention. It's the nature of the beast.

            I've seen it many times a woman getting to the wall and then marrying some safe beta boy in a panic, only to divorce several years later. They either get euphoric recall about those days when they got throttle fucked by nightclub Chad, or more likely the safe beta bux guy they married ends up a financial disappointment. So they get divorced thinking the grass will be greener. Invariably they hit a divorced cougar phase where a few ONS with horny 20 something year old guys feeds their delusion for a little while, but eventually reality sets in - they NEED beta bux fucking desperately - not just because the Chads of the world are passing them over, its because supporting themselves without assistance FUCKING SUCKS. When the child support runs out SERIOUS ALARM BELLS SOUND.

            Enter 40-45 year old successful dude. He hears the backstory, he already knows what kind of loser this bitch is. At this point, he's not even remotely thinking about shit like body count. Only things going through his mind are "Will I have fun busting many nuts" and "Am I going to get my cock enthusiastically sucked on a regular basis?" and "Does she have clue one about how to treat me/take care of a man?" and "Can I trust that this woman will act like a lady enough that I will be comfortable with her being a part of my life?". It won't take more than one night out for him to make his judgments. If she's hot and she fucks good, he might keep her around for a little bit, but if she's too much of a dumb selfish cunt at this stage of the game - usually men nope the fuck out with little to no regrets.

            By the time a man is 45 years old and raised his kids, been through divorce, dealt with the fucking drama and the stupid bullshit and fucked his fair share of bitches fucking every which way but loose, so all the fucking mystery should be gone. If he's sitting on a few fat stacks then he's definitely choosy and probably spends a good part of his free time fucking 25-29 year old slutty carousel riders - because who the hell wants to sport fuck overweight hags with a shitload of baggage?

            I can't speak for other dudes, but although banging out the young hotties really never gets old (really it doesn't), if I'm 45 years old, single and making healthy 6 figures - I'm probably just going to want to pump and dump carousel riders. The only way I'm thinking about a serious LTR for companionship is maybe finding that one woman closer to my age that still looks really good, fun to fuck and is close to unicorn status mentally and emotionally. No way I want to get involved at my age with a 26 year old woman for anything other than sex and past 35 years old the women that fit good LTR criteria are few and far between.

            This is just my personal experience and observations with women beyond 30-35 years old.

            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Schadenfreude. pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune.

            Both my ex wives provide me with plenty of enjoyment. I fucked them through their prime years, 20-28 and 21-30 respectively. Then both felt they could do better and hooked up with abject losers, the best they can get post wall. Meanwhile I easily pull younger girls, far better looking, my life is heading upwards again after the end of my divorce rape induced indentured servitude, and they are hitched to men going nowhere.

            I wouldn't be better off with them, they were holding me back, draining me so I couldn't achieve my goals. The best thing they did for me was leave.

            This required years to come about in the case of the first one. The second one wanted a loser, and I wasn't one so she left for one. Hell, she might be happy with his pathetic loathsome ass. Just because I can see the big picture doesn't mean they don't have exactly what they want. The first wants me back, but that's never happening. The second I have seen one time in the last 2 years, she was headed west, I was going east and noticed her.

            Here's the point. JP is exactly right. Their lives don't matter to me anymore. I'm not forced to pay either of them now, so they're of little concern nor consequence to me. Yes they have fucked up their lives and I find it amusing, but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me, or affect what I am doing today. If I am reminded of them, and I laugh about it, and go back to doing what I do. I don't seek revenge, don't wish them ill, but it's hilarious how badly they fucked up.

            Not every girl will fuck up like mine did, and it doesn't matter what they're doing, because she isn't fucking you, she not sucking your wallet dry, she isn't using her snatch as a weapon against you. She is out there doing what girls do best, leeching off anyone stupid enough to commit to and support them. It's not you paying for her bullshit, so so gives a fuck how good she has it.

            It's not karma or justice, it's the results of her poor decision making abilities. Some bitches choose better than others. Most people think the second one has a better looking guy now, but only for now since he is 26, thinning hair, already has a double chin and jowls, and no muscle, but for the moment on the surface he looks better. So fucking what. She might be happy, I don't care if she is our isn't because I have my own shit to do.

            Focus on yourself, ignore the dumb cunts from your past, build your life and enjoy not having that fucking bitch in your wallet.

            [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

            Most whores may find their beta bux when they're done with the CC but he won't be me; and that is justice enough.

            Also I'd just like to correct you on something. There seems to be this incorrect idea that at some point in time AF/BB were consolidated in one man. That golden era has never really existed and here is why. By definition an AF can not provide what a BB provides and vice versa. A man Alpha enough to produce the tingles required for AF is a man alpha enough to have limitless sexual options and alpha enough to exercise those options. A true AF is never going to give a girl his commitment. By sheer merit of his genetic superiority he is going to do what is in the best interest of his genes and spread his seed far and wide. The BB on the other hand does not have these options. His best plan is to focus all his resources on one woman instead of on multiple sexual partners. Women want the genetic material of the AF but don't want to share his resources and commitment with other women. So they get the genes from the AF and the resources from the BB. The two have always been separate and always will be.

            [–]SlowWing 15 points16 points  (2 children)

            A man Alpha enough to produce the tingles required for AF is a man alpha enough to have limitless sexual options and alpha enough to exercise those options. A true AF is never going to give a girl his commitment. By sheer merit of his genetic superiority he is going to do what is in the best interest of his genes and spread his seed far and wide.

            In the real world, before all that modern tech, there was no way to have a social standing if you didn't have a wife and a kid. No matter the country or the era, if you didn't have a family, you were not a man, not an adult.

            Think again.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Speaking from a biological perspective not a sociological one. Also: do you believe those alpha husbands didn't have mistresses?

            [–]SlowWing 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Of course they did, but there was no way to advance in society as a bachelor. it was impossible.

            [–]4benny2lava0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This was the realest shit ive read all night.

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            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

            The red pill cannot be force fed, it must be sought after and taken freely and willfully.

            That being said, one thing I often ask people for my own amusement is

            What will you get in marriage that you aren't getting now?

            The most common reply is "a family and children", to wit I reply that you don't need a piece of paper from the government to have those things. It used to be that the way women coerced men into marital commitment was via withholding of sex until after marriage. But now that's long out the window.

            Now women are mystified why they can't find a "good man" to marry them while simultaneously pulling up their cum-stained panties after fucking the star quarterback. I dunno ladies, maybe grandma was onto something with the whole "cows and free milk" idea.

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              [–]T0000009 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Gene Simmons did it for decades.... In California of all places and he made it crystal clear they were not married all the time.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Easy. Move to a state without common law marriage on the books, cohabitate with a woman, and have your family and kids. Unmarried women have babies all the time. If she insists on leveling the Threatpoint of Marriage 2.0 before giving you a family, then you know where her true intentions lie.

              [–]FrameWalker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              What is the anitdote to the thirst?

              Spinning plates and loving yourself.

              So what's the most condensed redpill you can give these BB?

              You are the prize. Be masculine. It's okay to want sex and only sex. Walk away and enforce boundaries.

              [–]Rasalom72 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Be his Morpheus... offer him the pill... it's up to him to accept it.

              "The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

              [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

              Sigh... Tell me about it! self-nurses headache

              [–]jaimewarlock 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              I consider myself a BB and long before I ever heard of TRP/PUA, I did a lot of overseas travel, sex tourism, stuff like that. It really built up my self-confidence. My best trick was to get girls to compete for my BB status. I knew I had options and they knew that I knew I had options.

              I am happily married and I attribute my successful marriage to these skills I built up over a lifetime and things I have recently learned from TRP. I lurk on this forum because I am always picking up new tricks.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is a great point. I've learned a shit ton of how social dynamics, chick strategies, and sexual competition work by traveling the world. Trying to have sex by pick up local chicks some nights, and paying differing amounts for a huge range of different chicks really teaches you a lot. You definitely learn how to read people and develop the "selector" mentality.

              [–]Senior Contributoradam-l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              So what's the most condensed redpill you can give these BB? What is the anitdote to the thirst?

              If you are not rich, go with: "Friends for intimacy, prostitutes for sex". Best value for money, avoids possibility of destruction.

              [–]sir_wankalot_here 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              So the lesson to be learned here, gentlemen, is to ditch your revenge porn fantasies. They are no good for your psyche, and they are no good for the process of unplugging. Here at TRP, we prefer to deal in truths and realities, not delusions and fantasies.

              Good post, been saying this for ages. The only difference between a CC rider of today and one of the past is that she was more discrete back then. Typical SE Asian scenario, girl tells her family she is going to the big city to get a job in an office.

              But instead she works in a girly bar where she can make 10 to 20 times what an office girl does. Then after 5+ years she goes back home, and marries some guy who doesn't know she fucked God knows how many guys.

              I am pretty sure the same thing happened in America 60+ years ago.

              [–]TRPtruth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              She's not correct, and will not get the sprinkles, but who gives a fuck. A woman who takes more dicks than birthday candles on her cake every year is fucked psychologically and physically.

              Door number one she ends up with a beta bitch (who does not provide her with the "lifestyle" she wants) and she takes Chad TC the side. She is psychologically fucked and tortured. She's an asshole to the people around her. Maybe has a kid here and there, maybe gets on welfare or pumps the beta for child support. Gets an STD. Enjoy that miserable life.

              Door number two she guns for an Alpha or Beta+, but they wise up to her 1,000 cock stare and dump her ass to the curb as the crows feet start to appear on her face. While they could, they do not give her the lifestyle she wants either.

              Door number three, she ends up 60 years old with 2 cats and best-of Chad TC stories for whoever will listen.

              Thing is, I don't give a flying fuck. Worrying about "justice" is just more time and energy away from focusing on getting to what I want.

              The chicks you see riding around in luxury cars are not reformed CC riders. These are chicks who got pumped hard and hooked in by Chad TC at 21. These are the only chicks smart enough to get the sprinkles.

              In terms of us, the men, pussy pedestalization is not just about bowing down to the pussy, it's also about wasting time being angry at the pussy and hoping for the pussy's downfall.

              For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Nobody, including hamsters, escapes Newton's law. All actions have consequences and will catch up with you sooner or later. Once you realize that you stop thinking about it.

              [–]1KissTheBridesmaid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I do agree with that she will have her cake and eat it. I have seen it over and over again. Even if she comes out the other side of the cock-carousel with several alpha babies, she can find a man to take her in, pay for her children’s education and give her the lifestyle she wants.

              But there’s a catch that you mention in your post, and I feel it’s worth expanding on it. The man who has both qualities combined no longer exists. The strong, stoic man who gives her tingles, sticks around and rewards her devotion with his time and resources, the man she truly desires, is gone. Feminism killed him. When female hypergamy is allowed to run rampant and even rewarded, there is not incentive for this man to exist.

              I think this is an important point, as I firmly believe that the fem-centric climate we have been experiencing is making women miserable in quite a few ways, and this is one of them.

              That cake she really wants? They stopped making it.

              Point of this comment is by no means to encourage any Shadenfreude, I agree completely that the revenge porn fantasies are a waste of time and a breaking of frame that we should try and do without.

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              [–]mister_dice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Six hundred? How can she even keep the count? I'm sure I don't even remember some people that I used to be friends with...

              [–]DreadLockedHaitian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              JP dropping the Gospel on a Monday night!!!!!

              [–]Senior Contributoradam-l 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              The main point of the post is right-on. Even a short, 300 lbs (136 Kg) 40-year-old woman can be getting laid like crazy.

              In S. Korea, there are 70 year-old women who get paid for sex..

              Now if the belief that women will get punished when they get old is one fallacy, the romanticization of Marriage 1.0 is another.

              Before modern feminism destroyed the concepts of manhood, it wasn’t uncommon for a woman to successfully consolidated her AF/BB needs in one, singular man. The strong, stoic type of man who tingled her vagina, whom she respected, and whom she gladly devoted herself to in exchange for his caring providership of her and their children.

              Ah, the old, traditional Alphas... A myth. "She respected"? "She gladly devoted herself"? What, didn't you read The Manipulated Man?

              Don't forget that what that era of women "respecting" and "devoting themselves to men" produced was exactly ... feminism!. It was the bored housewives of the rich suburbs that gave birth to "radical" feminism in the '60s-'70s. They didn't respect their husbands for working their asses out. They resented them, for "locking them in a golden cage". And those others, the "traditionals", who were contented to be housewives, buried them - outlived them by far.

              I use two social variables to compare wellbeing. The first is happiness (measurements of subjective happiness), and the second is life expectancy (which is also a proxy for better health). In both these variables the difference was overwhelming against men during Marriage 1.0 times.

              That the present is shitty for the average man, does not mean that the past was good. It was worse.

              For more, https://TheEmpressIsNaked.wordpress.com

              -Adam.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It was the bored housewives of the rich suburbs that gave birth to "radical" feminism in the '60s-'70s. They didn't respect their husbands for working their asses out. They resented them, for "locking them in a golden cage". And those others, the "traditionals", who were contented to be housewives, buried them - outlived them by far.

              I think what really was a big cause of feminism was the technological advances of that time that really made housewives lives'. Before the invention of the modern stove, microwave, fridge, washing machine, washer and dryer, etc, women actually had housework to do; they didn't have time to sit around being bored.

              [–]witdusername 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              First of all, it doesn't matter to me whether or not a woman gets to "have her cake and eat it too". If she can "have her fun" and then settle down with a tamed bad boy or a nice rich guy, then good for her.

              But the fact is, only some women manage to marry the rich bb. If you look at the numbers, you'll see they don't add up. There aren't enough beta bucks to go around.

              Let's do the math. I looked up some stats and did some quick calculations. The numbers may be a bit off, because these are rough estimates, but they should give you an idea of the situation.

              I guesstimate that there are about 60 million women in the USA from ages 20-50 years old. There are about (guesstimate) 50 million Americans who make over $50,000 a year. Now let's make a guess and say 70% of those making $50k+ are men. That's 35 million men making over $50k.

              Now let's guess that 1/2 the men making over $50k and 1/2 the women 20-50 are married. That leaves us with 30million single women and 17.5million men in the over $50k income bracket.

              My point is, there are a limited number of beta bucks to go around. In younger generations women are out-earning men. Traditionally male-dominated industrial type jobs are disappearing, and women are earning more degrees than men. So it isn't all that easy for a woman to find a beta bucks who has enough money to provide her with the type of lifestyle she wants, and who is willing to commit to her (as opposed to just banging her casually or screwing her once in a while behind his wife's back).

              TL; DR - There aren't enough high income men to go around, so a lot of women will have a hard time finding a rich enough guy to commit to them.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yeah, you mention one of the main flaws in the "most women can find their free ride regardless of what they do" argument which is that those women can ONLY do that when there are large proportions of financially successful guys. As the millennials struggle to build real careers / homes and the baby boomers transition fully into their retirement / death stage, there's going to be less beta buck candidates. Most people are not making 100k, and 100k isn't even shit anymore if a girl wants the lifestyle that's been glamorized since she was a kid. Women succeed / suffer in proportionate relation to how men as a collective unit succeed or prosper. If things get rougher for men and you have a progressively higher ratio of women to financially qualified men, the result is more women winding up with less desired options and more shitty / invisible options.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              You're setting the premise that the term "Beta Bux" refers only to hard currency, which I would contend is a false premise from the get go. The "Bux" can come in many forms, not the least of which is his time and attention, something she gets very little of from the Alpha.

              It's not just about the money, but also in how much investment not only of money, but also "feels" and emotion he's willing to give her.

              For Mr. Beta to get a chance at starfish missionary, he has to take her to dinner, maybe get a room at a nice resort hotel, take her for walks on the beach, etc etc. For Brad McThunderBalls, she'll happily bang him doggystyle on a dirty mattress in a studio flat for nothing more than a bag of Skittles.

              [–]witdusername -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              First, time, attention, and walks on the beach don't pay the bills of women who expect a certain type of expensive lifestyle (cars, clothes, nice house, etc.).

              Second, if a man is broke, he won't be able to afford to pay for a nice resort hotel and expensive dinner.

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              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Her dualist nature isn't AF/BB, it's AF/marriage.

              But see, it really is AF/BB, because part of what tingles her vagina is his non-committal behavior. There is much discussion in the manosphere about this, that even when a woman successfully locks down that Alpha "bad boy", she begins to work in earnest to "fix him" into the man who will fawn at her feet and succumb to her every whim.

              And when she succeeds, she comes to find him repulsively supplicating.

              [–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              let me add something else. if you are still hung up on being with such a truly shit person, then you yourself are shit.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              My revenge porn stars me spitting into their mouths and feeling that overwhelming sense that everything is as it should be.

              [–]mister_dice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Just a question, why would you believe what women say about other women? It's about the roommate saying she had 30 guys in a semester, while it is surely believable, still, women will try to make others look bad, am I right?

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              There are huge consequences for women. Not only will they just Starfish their unattractive Betas, THEY WILL HATE EVERY MINUTE OF THEIR LIVES remembering the HHAAAWWWWT guys who threw them around and fucked them silly while the Beta they married is not even a shadow of what they thought they would get. Sure they can pull a 2 or 3 SMV Beta any time they want- except that is NOT what they want. Not even close.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I think you're missing the crux of what I'm trying to say. What I'm getting at is that the revenge porn fantasy that many of the new guys have, of a woman hitting the wall, and living a sparse, sexless, lonely life in a one bedroom apartment full of cats is complete bullshit in most cases.

              I've seen comments lately like "yeah, she can act like this now but at 28 she'll be flipping my burgers at McDonlalds". No, she likely won't be flipping burgers. She will find her beta, she will be financially and socially "kept", even if her sex life is less than fulfilling visa vis her Alpha Widowdom.

              [–]Riddick_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah. This. Depressed to Perfection. Let me get literary over here: 10 Year ACC (Year 10, After Cock Carousel) These B1tcheZ will be the first to hit that SSRI anti-depressant stash, and hit it hard like kimbo slice.

              [–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I agree with the conclusion that she will get her beta bucks and her family and house or whatever she wants, especially if she really is such a hot blonde. Question is, will she be happy? Happier than if she avoided the CC and married an alpha guy in her early 20ties?

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              No, but if she's even remotely attractive post-wall she will find a Beta who will look past her muffin top and crows feet around the eyes. She doesn't even consider avoiding the CC because it gave her a decade of access to top tier men who wouldn't dare consider marrying her.

              [–]Riddick_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Also: If shes even mildly, let me stress mildly attractive like 3-5, she can still get the D. OK wont be top dudes, but everyone else and the gardener / 3-4 fitness trainers will have free passes to that pussaye. Beta bucks will die Stooopid, Mr. Nice Guy never know what Sunshine does "out with her girlfriends" and "at the gym". However, she'll still find 100 reasons to be as Defective and Depressed as FK.

              [–]Riddick_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This Gospel Yes:

              "So the lesson to be learned here, gentlemen, is to ditch your revenge porn fantasies. They are no good for your psyche, and they are no good for the process of unplugging. Here at TRP, we prefer to deal in truths and realities, not delusions and fantasies."

              Destroy. Fantasies. Such As. Porn.

              [–]JumpXVI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              And gentlemen, if you don’t think there are men out there who are thirsty, desperate, and willing to bang out a 38 year old 2 or 3, then I’ve got some land in the Florida Everglades I’d like to sell you.

              There's a gigantic difference between "bang" and "marry".

              And the kind of guy who is willing to marry a 38yo 2 or 3 is exactly the kind of man that is going to keep her hamster working overtime.

              The actual marital value of an actual 38yo 2 or 3 is pretty low and your point was about banging. But even if we take a more realistic 38yo 5 who was a 7 10-15 years ago, and dozens of cocks ago, her hamster has to work overtime to keep her happy if she feels her husband is a mewling beta. As much as they have to do it to shield their fragile psyhces, I contend that women don't really like to have to hamster their happiness.

              A woman would rather be wifed up and fucked silly by Brad Pitt's stunt double who makes $250K a year than have to sneak around on Tinder to fool her beta bucks husband, just to find some disease-free possible-Chad who isn't a "serial killer" and actually fucks her good. No matter how she justifies it.

              The same woman dreads, nightly, the possibility of her beta husband meekly asking for sex "two weeks early". And she hamsters that she's tired or has a headache or feels bloated or whatever bullshit she has to churn out so beta bucks doesn't get mad. I hope my husband doesn't want to have sex with me... is some serious stuff to hamster. Yet there was a gilded post a while back by /u/Archwinger about women literally feeling raped by their beta husbands by whom the women are so "viscerally repulsed" and disgusted.

              When she gets to the point where she feel like her husband is committing a jailable offense for asking one of the most reasonable questions in a marriage, she better have a seriously fit hamster, because she is unhappy as hell. The one person on earth logically immune to rape or sexual coercion in a woman's husband is regarded as some rapey threat for just asking for sex with his wife.

              And this is assuming she's even good at covering up any infidelity—God forbid she get caught and has to hamster up some excuses and lies and arguments about "dont you trust meeeeee???" It's exhausting, even if women are better at such mental gymnastics than men (because women have to be).

              [–]moose_war 0 points1 point  (4 children)

              ditch your revenge porn fantasies

              I agree. Which is why we should also ignore this

              https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

              Because it's a completely made up and subjective SMV chart that means nothing and gives false hope to a lot of men and will make them feel complacent to do nothing.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I disagree. While the SMV chart is indeed subjective to /u/Rollo-Tomassi's interpretation, the spirit and idea that it represents is still valid. It is unquestionable that men age like wine and women age like milk. You can argue over the physical plot lines of the curves themselves, but you cannot deny the existence of the curves in the first place. 23 year old women are objectively more attractive than their 35 year old selves, except in rare circumstances.

              [–]moose_war 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It is unquestionable that men age like wine and women age like milk.

              It's not really unquestionable. It's dependent on what the man does leading up to those years. Realistically a man is probably, on average, most physically attractive in his late 20s and early 30s. I do agree that men have way more potential to be sexy well into their 40s, but it takes increasingly harder work to maintain that, and the vast majority of men don't put the work in. This is obvious to TRP men but maybe not to every new guy who thinks he can literally sit back and somehow "become" sexier.

              23 year old women are objectively more attractive than their 35 year old selves, except in rare circumstances.

              I agree. But you can make a case for a 26 year old man being much more attractive than his 36 year old self too. There is nothing sexier about thinning hair and crows feet, they can just be offset a lot easier by other things if you are a man.

              My point is, there is a large asterisk for the man's side of things. Yes, a 36 year old man can be way way way higher SMV than a 36 year old woman and his 26 year old self, but he's gotta put the work in. If he doesn't, he'll just be the "creepy old guy". Meanwhile women's SMV is mostly just naturally occurring, so there's the difference and something someone glancing at this chart might not get.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              The chart is dependent on you working hard/smart and making something of your self as a man, whereas for women all they have to do it be born and not get fat.

              [–]moose_war 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Well that's my point. Just looking at the chart, someone new might not get that.

              The older you get as a man, the harder you gotta work to stay at the top of your game. You don't magically become sexier as a 36 year old.

              [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              However, there seems to be a trend, a pattern in the comment sections of various different discussions here in the men’s locker room we call The Red Pill. It appears to stem from a sort of misunderstanding about “The Wall” from newcomers and assorted anger phasers, and that is this misappropriated idea that once our fluffy, little, acrobatic and beloved vagina operator, rider of the ever present and be-Chadded Cock Carousel hits the wall, that somehow her sexual and social lives are over, and come crashing down around her like a Syrian war zone leveled by ISIS artillery and grenades.

              There are guys here that actually think that?

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              They're all over if you look for them. This is a post I've wanted to make for a month. A lot of guys have this idea that after 27 a single woman is gonna lose all her Chads and spend her 30's waitressing at Applebees and spending her nights sobbing lonely into a tub of Ben N Jerry's.

              Go make a fake dating profile featuring a muffin-topped 38 year old single mother with crow's feet who makes $16,000 a year. The inbox will be full of thirsty men within a week, and it won't all be fat neckbeards, either.

              [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Well it's good that you're reminding these kids that the house has rigged things in favour of the modern woman. It's probably harder for her to fail. While it is completely righteous to be angered by the unjust imbalance... maybe they should try to have a bit more fun playing as the underdog? Gotta take what we can.

              Reminds me that I need to get my latest idea written up this week. Never enough hours in the day.

              [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              it wasn’t uncommon for a woman to successfully consolidated her AF/BB needs in one, singular man.

              this is so true man. way back before the modern dating shit show happened. there was only a handfull of guy available ( in a given area) so most of the time the guy are alpha. and decided to provide for the AFTER they got the sex from them, not before.

              you can't go from beta bucks to alpah fucks.. but you can go from alpha fucks to providing for them if you wish.

              with the way the world is pumped with social media now, and the amount of attention when can get now, they just stopped showing up.

              so now, they wonder why the alpha isn't providing for them like they used to back in the day ( we have way more choice than we used to)

              revenge porn fantasies.

              the only time you should be doing this is if

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9twTtXkQNA

              you are that degenerately broke you need the money to get back to 0

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Actual TL;DR: nothing that hasn't been said here dozens of times before

              [–]RacialRealism -1 points0 points  (12 children)

              Not related but that fucking graph.

              A 48 year old man has an SMV of an 8? WTF.

              I'm assuming the major measure of SMV in this case was money, by the time you hit 48 your t levels are already dropping and you probably have cancer. I rekon 35 is peak SMV.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

              You seem to fail to understand that male attraction, unlike female attraction, is based not only on looks, but on four general factors (in no particular order):

              • Looks/physique
              • Wealth/money
              • "Personality"(we call this "Game")
              • Social status/preselection

              A deficiency in one area can be made up by an excess in another area. This is why an aging fat ass like Tom Leykis can bang out hot women; as an LA radio personality with tons of cash, his overabundance of social status and wealth makes up for the fact that he's old and overweight and probably doesn't have a whole lot of game.

              Contrast that with an aging 48 year old woman. I don't care if she has the kindest heart in the world and that she has 2 doctorate degrees and earns $100,000/year. I'm not fucking her, because at 48 her tits are sagging, her crows feet are solid, and the cellulite is forming, unless she's following a Jillian Michaels workout routine.

              [–]RacialRealism -1 points0 points  (7 children)

              Yea I understand that a 48 year old man and a 48 year old women are miles away in terms of SMV. Yet from the graph it would suggest that a 21 year old women and a 48 year old man would look at each other as equals in SMV.

              Looks/physique

              ~33 would be their peak for looks and physique. If you're lucky you will age gracefully but most guys will just end up looking like sultana's.

              Wealth/money

              Yes this will be boosting their SMV

              "Personality"(we call this "Game")

              I'm well termed with game, I guess one could argue it would be higher with age as they've had more practise.

              Social status/preselection

              My intiution is that it's working against them because they're seen as "smelly old men" and it's not socially acceptable for women to associate with them.

              I mean I hope I'm wrong, to think my SMV is only 50% of what it could be is pretty amazing, I find it hard to believe I'll be slaying 21 year old pussy when I'm 48 unless I'm top 0.1% in wealth.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              I'm 34 and on my various dating profiles and Tinder, I have no problem getting likes and right swipes from 25-28 year old women. I'm doing way better at 34 than I could have ever hoped to do at 24. I have more money, a nicer car, a house instead of an apartment, and a far better "DGAF" attitude than I used to. And trust me, women can sense that shit.

              [–]RacialRealism 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              25-28 is still not the 20-23 age range that the graph is suggesting however. A 34 year old with a 25 year old is very believable for me.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              It's still a far better proposition than dating a woman my age, with her baggage, probable ex-husband, and probable bastard kids.

              [–]RacialRealism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              mm yea I totally agree. My initial point is just that Rollo's SMV graph is innaccurate in my opinion.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Nobody's stopping you from making your own graph. That's the beauty of our being; all men have ideas; voice them. If Rollo is wrong, tell him why.

              [–]-rubashov 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I mean I hope I'm wrong, to think my SMV is only 50% of what it could be is pretty amazing, I find it hard to believe I'll be slaying 21 year old pussy when I'm 48 unless I'm top 0.1% in wealth.

              No you are right, you would have to be above the graph to be fucking 21 y/olds at 48. It shows that.

              27 to 33 year olds however...

              [–]RacialRealism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              That is slightly more believable

              [–]-rubashov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I believe the graph says at 48 a man will be a 6.. for a women she is a 6 at 29/30. Seems about right.

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              What is this?

              [–]MortalSisyphus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              48 does NOT line up with 8 on that graph. And peak SMV on that graph is 38, which is only 3 years past your estimate. You seem to be reading it wrong.

              [–]TheGurw -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              One small correction: the nuclear family never existed.

              [–]RedPillSpookyGhost -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              at least they are not happy