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Red Pill TheoryRemember Law 38. Think as you like, behave like others. (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary Law 38 is essential for all social encounters. Don't go around spreading TRP awareness like some missionary, because that will damage you.


Body The 48 laws are very important in maneuvering social contexts and truly displaying high SMV. However, today you need to understand how #38 works, because it will also help you stay out of trouble.

We live in a feminized and a feminist society. Doesn't matter where you are in the world, the entirety of humanity is headed in that direction. Boys are being shamed from behaving like men or even aspiring to become ones, and girls are constantly being told that they're queens and that society owes them a whole lot of back pay for all the oppression they've supposedly endured while doing the most difficult job on the planet - being mothers. My dear white male friends, you will be getting twice the dose of this crap. So the rest of us are really counting on you to hold it down for men around the world.

Now you will think that it's a load of bullshit. Why should you apologize and have to give up jobs in the name of affirmative action? I don't know the answer either, and neither do the 130,000 men subscribed here, but I can tell you this. We're all affected by it.

However, in face of this increasingly-challenging situation, you must NEVER BLOW YOUR COVER. Don't try to be a hero in the name of TRP and fight the good fight to bring down feminism. It will destroy you, it genuinely will. It will take away career opportunities, it will shut doors in your face, and if you meet a crazy enough feminist, it could end up with you in legal troubles - allegations of sexism, discrimination, rape, abuse, harassment, etc.

Here's my advice for you: suck it up and shut up. Try to be RP in your own person, in your behavior, in raising your SMV, in not taking shit from people, in raising your boys to be independent and manly. That's all you can do.

More often that not, you will need to keep quiet and just nod. You'll hear women complaining about the legend of the wage gap. Whatever, let them have it. You will hear feminists whine and bitch about other mundane things that are far from factual. Don't call them out on it if you're in a public setting. It's different when they're a plate and you've already established dominance. But don't engage in a workplace conversation about women's issues, for example.

Is this unfair? Yes it is. But society doesn't care about what's fair, feminism isn't about what's fair.

So I will restate this again even though it's been said countless times on here before; never announce that you're RP. Never even use RP terminology in public. Women and feminists in general are sensitive to that, they can smell RP terminology from a mile away, and they'll bring out the pitchforks and the lynch mob at the slightest hint of RP.

TRP isn't here to save the world. Hell, it's not even here to save all men. TRP is a strategy for men who want to help themselves. We don't do coffee houses and recruitment sessions, you come to us when you've had enough and want to take things and change into your own hands.


Lessons learned

  • TRP is meant to be discreet, it's not supposed to have bells and whistles. So keep it that way.

  • Be careful when going against the feminist train of thought. I will even recommend that you never do in public.

  • Never use RedPill terminology in public. Others have, and it has severely damaged them.


[–]Hayekr 146 points147 points  (10 children)

I live through this every day at work in Academia (on the administrative side). I am literally surrounded by office harridans. The kind of women with no professional ambition other than to lock down a university job for 30+ years so they can do mindless data entry and get below average pay but sweet benefits (medical, dental, vision, tuition remission for their kids). Then they cash out with a huge retirement package due to generous university matching. I'm contemplating writing my first TRP post on the "office harridan".

I'm one of two men in my entire department, and I constantly have to be careful I don't cross any of these people by saying the wrong things. I've seen just how fast they turn on each other, especially when their work performance is questioned. It's amazing how fast they shift the blame to someone else. Literally 0 accountability.

I was running an exam a couple months ago and one of my co-workers (a post-wall single mother who got knocked up one night by her then-boyfriend) was complaining about the negative stereotype that single mothers have, and how it is "total bullshit" that single moms are still viewed with disdain by society. She proceeded to explain why it is total bullshit, using very little logic and relying almost solely on her own experiences and "feelz". Of course, she never mentioned her successful navigation of single motherhood is only made possible by generous government subsidies -- and of course -- a nice monthly check from her ex-boyfriend (who is a broken man now).

I simply nodded in approval, and quickly changed the subject to something work related. "Think as you like. Behave like others"

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    [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 39 points40 points  (2 children)

    lol just closed a tab myself on definition of harridan

    [–]icecow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Hell, I just got back from merriam webster to make sure I had the pronunciation right.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harridan

    [–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    get the dictionary chrome extension and you can just double click on the word for the definition.

    [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    I'd like to see this office harridan post you have in mind.

    [–]Veritas_potissimum 24 points25 points  (3 children)

    I put up a swimsuit model picture at my work recently for shits and giggles and just as expected the fatties were up in arms and told on me. Thankfully, I have a good relationship with my boss and am known for being "that guy" otherwise this shit wouldn't fly. It's getting ridiculous the amount of political correctness we have to deal with nowadays but unfortunately being too gung-ho is a sure way to crash and burn your career.

    [–]2rp_valiant 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    being "that guy" is like some kind of magical shield. Half the office hates your non-PC antics and the rest just sit back and enjoy the show. There's a bloke in my office who just yesterday said something along the lines of "I still order my shoes in nigger brown", but because he's "that guy" no more was said about it. I certainly got a chuckle out of it.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Try putting up a swimsuit picture of a male model and see what happens.

    [–]piethon3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Stay focused. Don't slip up. Fight the good fight away from blue pillers

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    [–]CombatPhilosopher 49 points50 points  (0 children)

    This.

    I agree 100% and this 'viper' strategy can stay in line with law 38 as well. Just feign ignorance, and bluntly point out that the Emperor has no clothes

    Fait Accompli can and will destroy the lumbering elephant. What's the saying?

    "How do you devour a whale? One bite at a time"

    [–]billcosbyeatsbabies 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    perfect post. i find this is the best way to outline yourself as RP without even saying it. i have done this perfectly. i asked a question about some bullshit feminist ideology, and immediately the nazi of the group interrupted, telling me i was insulting her personally. i played the amused mastery card well enough that everyone sided with me, agreeing that i was simply asking a question about the topic to gain better knowledge of it. obviously i dont give a shit about what we were talking about, i simply wanted to bring that point up in peoples heads, and she ended up looking like the crazy bad guy because she stormed off after i repeated i was only asking a question. since she defended the topic, people now subconsciously look at that topic as crazy and weird.

    [–]darkrood 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    They had the guts to put it all on the line and lose out on careers, legal status, social acceptance, etc for decades in a grueling push to take over the world. AND THEY DID IT.

    1st wave feminist, Maybe.

    2nd wave tumbler Feminists, Nothing close to it.

    You are letting 2nd wave feminist ride on the 1st wave real activist like that rich Jew boy who has never worked a day in his life crying about those days in concentration camp.

    [–]PM_ME_YOUR_SEXYNUDES 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    I think you mean 3rd wave feminism.

    [–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    well which ever wave is the one that takes the least effort, focusing on the most pointless cause, and hurting the very group that they vow to protect in the end.

    [–]benuntu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    In conversations, take sly jabs at obvious bullshit.

    Totally agree. A great tactic is just to ask for "clarification" aka proof of a ridiculous claim. Repeat until they realize they look like the idiot they are. Fems with good arguments have at least done their homework and understand rhetoric. But for every one of them, there's a hundred that just repeat what they read online as if it were gospel.

    [–]ShounenEgo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Socratic method works wonders on that. Instead of making your opinion explicitly stated, arouse them to think for themselves the right time.

    [–]whatever303 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Rule 38 is more subtle than that, imo.

    It's about leaving as few traces as possible in the event (and it will happen) someone wants to bring you down(or shit-test. do not expand a point if that brings up even more points to be shit-tested about).

    Look what happened to Brendan Eich for a $1000 donation.

    Now, you can say that feminists where bold for putting their reputation at stake, but that doesn't mean it was a smart move.
    IF their BB stop supporting them and they have to get a job, any employer who will see their gender studies degree will have to think "Do I really want to risk a molestation/rape cause?"

    Being loud hurts you in the long run, that's why we need anonimity to iron out controversial theories whithout the fear of having your ass bitten ten years from now by a dumb rant you wrote while pooping.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This needs to be at the top, I'm tired of hiding

    [–]rajesh8162 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    From the Art of War - Sun Tzu,

    " 29 The skillful tactician may be likened to the shuai-jan. Now the shuai-jan is a snake that is found in the ChUng mountains. Strike at its head, and you will be attacked by its tail; strike at its tail, and you will be attacked by its head; strike at its middle, and you will be attacked by head and tail both.

    30 Asked if an army can be made to imitate the shuai-jan, I should answer, Yes. For the men of Wu and the men of Yueh are enemies; yet if they are crossing a river in the same boat and are caught by a storm, they will come to each other's assistance just as the left hand helps the right. "

    [–]The_Ralph 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    I completely agree that "inaction is not an option." Do what you can to educate those around you. Use statistics. Use facts. Use logic. Use examples.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    If you use logic and facts, you'll get destroyed.

    [–]The_Ralph 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Just the opposite, friend. I get silence, because of their ignorance.

    [–]ECTD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I get dissension. Silence my ass.

    [–][deleted] 148 points149 points  (4 children)

    A good post.

    Remember how in Soviet Russia the KGB would disappear you if Stalin caught wind you weren't a communist party man?

    That's the way it is now for us. Being a proper man today is like being in the Russian underground in the Soviet Union , minus the Red stars and grey jumpsuits. Whatever you might think, when the anthem comes on youd best be singing with everyone else.

    Reminds me of a story involving Nikita Khrushchev , making a speech right after he took power. Some yahoo with more luck then sense in the crowd yelled "why didn't you oppose Stalin when you worked under him?"

    Khrushchev immediately said "WHO SAID THAT!?"

    The heckler was silent. So was the rest of the crowd.

    "Now you know why I said nothing against Stalin".

    [–]sao_113271 61 points62 points  (0 children)

    "Play with shit and it will stink" - Former soviet union parents

    Treat feminism like a gigantic day old piece of dog shit, it may stink now, but the moment you touch it or try to move it will stink ten time worse and you'll have shit on you, so the terrible smell will follow you. It's like their go to saying for shit people or situations.

    [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Whatever you might think, when the anthem comes on youd best be singing with everyone else.

    ...and the anthem is awesome.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think that was Anwar Sadat of Egypt about Nasser. Good story though and very apt.

    [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (9 children)

    I think this is the most important of all of the laws. The book is written for people to basically get ahead in life (play the perfect courtier), and the quickest way to blow it is to take a stand and start a debate/argument.

    One of my good friends is a fucking genius. However, he's told me that he thinks it's his responsibility to change people's minds if he thinks they're wrong.

    Nobody fucking likes that guy. Like, they sigh when he walks in.

    [–]redpillstate 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Oh man. Ive noticed a troubling trend among my peers in which they constantly try to correct/inform people about their beliefs....via Facebook. (I know, delete fb, but I keep tabs on shit) I've noticed equal participation in this cringefest from both genders. A girl will post some sweeping comment about how all meat eaters should die, and then the local kid from the skatepark will post a huge comment in response, followed by pink haired landwhale outrage at THAT guy's comment, ad infitum. Every time I see one of these circle jerks, I can't BELIEVE people are posting this shit with their real names and pictures attached. They'll "debate" about politics, veganism, feminism, gun rights....the list goes on. And it's all incredibly cringe worthy - we're talking about 17-25 year olds here. I appreciate that some of them want to stand up to the BS that feminists spam all over social media, but you gotta pick your battles. They're just digging their own graves imo, because the people there arguing against will NEVERR change their minds, especially not over a long-winded Facebook comment.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I get shit for quitting FB all the time. I met a buddy who I hadn't seen in a while and learned that he and his wife had a kid 18 months ago.

    I mean... there's nothing wrong with that.

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        [–]boredgod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I couldn't agree more. Self-identification as an intellectual is often a weakness. The powerless hide behind moral and intellectual superiority while their superiority is self-contained, compartmentalized to a limited field of their lives. Identification with the general population brings you into their sphere, putting intellectual gifts to productive use, the acquisition of real power which is recognizable to the general population.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Not sure if you're trolling.

        You should chill out.

        [–]billcosbyeatsbabies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        good one. north america is a sinking ship indeed. when i see foreign women where i live in north america, i pounce on that opportunity. you can easily observe that they are much higher quality than some low-tier american females. foreign pussy, preferrably european, is the best pussy.

        [–]boredgod -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Similar boat here. Oddly enough, my inborn intelligence hasn't handicapped me too much on account of mental illness. Be aware that with your intelligence you have extreme potential. I'm learning to embrace budding sociopathy, slowly turning the massive machinery of attention and analysis on others and our interactions. Creating a new thought-habit system of social encounters is a shortcut to power. Emotions find different realms of expression, removing the thought-habits of powerlessness and reactive emotionality. Amused mastery over all existence is key.

        [–]AdonisHera 42 points43 points  (7 children)

        Too true. In a way it's funny to see people on their high horse. Don't be a hero. Look out for you and close family. Screw everyone else. Let the world burn. You aren't Jesus Or superman

        [–]PissedPajamas 13 points14 points  (4 children)

        This is why indoctrinating your friends will always go south unless they've gone through a traumatic experience with women OR had an RP upbringing. I have a naturally RP friend who's aware of everything TRP professes, body language, power talk and game, he's the only one who gets to know my point of view on women which we usually talk about between sets at the gym. Everyone else gets an "uhh idk lol" from me

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          [–]billcosbyeatsbabies 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          big key here. no one will follow your lead if you are simply saying without doing. lead by example indeed. people see a healthy, wealthy, happy, energetic man and they want to be around him or follow him. then when the man speaks his mind on a topic, which is somewhat seldom, people hear it and soon believe that the same mindset he has will lead them to the same happiness he has.

          [–]drallcom3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          but don't start to spill TRP wisdom, just because other look up to you. Use normal, careful language. "Holding frame" becomes "women tell me they love my confidence", and so on.

          [–]TRPMaidenSlayer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          True, when it comes to publicly arguing with feminists.

          But where this is wrong is on the legislative level. At some point, men are going to need to attack the legal system that is ruining our lives with divorce and false rape accusations. That is a fight that may be publicly worth having. Just don't plan on having a political career if you take leadership...

          Until then, not getting married.

          [–]waldo888 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          The world has actually gone insane. Anything controversial is a threat. One bad move and your reputation can be ruined in an instant. These people don't have real conversations and they are phony players doing everything possible to make themselves feel better for having nothing to feel good about. You are so right, but it says a lot more about society being fraudulent than people needing to censor themselves.

          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          I see the nuggets of truth in what you're saying, but...sitting quietly in the shadows is not helping as feminists crusade against men. What I take away from OP is...pick your battles. In the workplace, I totally agree. Politics, religion and personal opinions aren't the place for it. In your personal life practice discretion. Be careful of the company you keep. You should never have to hide who you are from those you decide to let close to you. If anything, you're in a position of power to change their minds by showing them the errors in their logic and backing your views with facts/data. Dissenting opinion is the foundation of fruitful discourse.

          [–]TruckerJohn 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Don't try to be a hero in the name of TRP and fight the good fight to bring down feminism. It will destroy you, it genuinely will. It will take away career opportunities, it will shut doors in your face

          You should all really consider getting into standup comedy, where this is absolutely not at all a fucking concern as long as you keep it on stage. It's quite fun. Especially because you end up INCREASING your SMV for being red pill and explaining it. Comedy could be a good outlet for TRP people to help others, IF AND ONLY IF you actually are good at and want to do it and be poor for the meantime.

          [–]2Overkillengine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          You either have to be the King or the Jester to get to speak the truth.

          Or you get lynched.

          [–]SexistFlyingPig 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          This is one of the hardest rules for me to follow. When I find something great, I want to share it.

          I'm learning from my mistakes, slowly. I don't call it The Red Pill. I just talk about the necessity of a man to lead in his relationships. Most of the divorces that I've seen happen because the woman lead the relationship. I've seen a lot of divorces, including my own.

          When I bring up this single point, I see the light go on in the guy's eyes.

          [–]CornyHoosier 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Here's my advice for you: suck it up and shut up.

          This is what I did as a beta and I will not go back to doing it.

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          [–]Mithra9009 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          Hallmark of alpha is not giving a shit

          Yeah, you got it man, you...

          and speaking what he thinks.

          Nope. The alpha's concern is securing his power, utilising his proper understanding of the game of power. The only reason why the alpha seemingly doesn't give a shit is because, due to his understanding of the game, he has a better idea of what battles matter and what ones don't. It's just that in front of a beta, the battles which a beta would take seriously are seen as unnecessary by the alpha (e.g. trying to ensure that you're well-liked by a girl because supposedly, girls need to trust a guy before sleeping with him and never (or at least not frequently) sleep with a guy on the first date.)

          Alphas especially will understand the importance, value and power of a good reputation. Of being able to have the effect of your name preceding you. It's just that the alpha, due to his correct understanding of the game, will have no personal investment in these things. He won't fight to protect his ego, he'll fight to protect the perks that come with not having a bad reputation.

          This is what I do and it hasn't gotten me into trouble ever

          Not yet, no. The power that's been granted to women by the law is not something I think should be underestimated.

          People just agree with me, because its the truth.

          Is it not possible that they're merely employing Law 38? It's an unnecessary risk in my opinion.

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            [–]Mithra9009 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Alphas just live and do, fuck bitches and YOLO.

            It's not that simple in my eyes. When too many people see you living this way, particularly betas and ex-plates, the envy may lead to conspiracies against you. You're not an island, you're a part of a social system. Your actions will generate feedback from your social environment. Also, I think we can both agree that alphas are leaders. What is a leader without his followers? Such a leader is powerless and is therefore not alpha.

            Take a look at Donald Trump, does he give a shit about SJW's and public opinions? Nope, he always speaks his mind.

            The game of power isn't as simple as simply copy-pasting someone else's tactics into your own actions. It's contextual. What worked for Trump hasn't worked for him because the tactic itself is inherently correct. Considering his competition, being audacious and outspoken is also a power-tactic that makes him stand out from the other, "wimpy" (looking at you, Jeb) politicians.

            I really don't know guys, maybe in USA you have these problems, but not where I live. Nobody takes women seriously here. There haven't been any sexual harassment lawsuits like...never.

            So you admit that you're in a different social environment?

            I admit, perhaps I spend too much time on TRP and so I've become oversensitive to the "women can destroy your life on a whim" message but nonetheless, I have seen other posters warn about the behaviour you're recommending so I guess I'll take it with a grain of salt, as with everything.

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              [–]Mithra9009 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              So? Great! The more they think of you, the more power you hold. Better to be hated than to be ignored.

              I've been thinking about this and I think it depends on how cooperative or competitive the social environment is. In a competitive environment such as the corporate environment, all publicity is good publicity whereas in a cooperative environment such as the office environment or public health care, it is in fact better to keep your head down and be ignored. I suppose it really depends on the culture. Basically, I think it depends on how individualist or collectivist the culture is. As you can probably tell, I've been thinking exclusively of the collectivist, leftist, STEM office environments which is why I thought your recommendation was so stupid but I realise, these aren't the only places where people work.

              Yeah, and silverbacks in that social system don't give a fuck what beta chimps think.

              Yes but also note that the silverback doesn't need to. The silverback has more physical power than the chimps so it can fight them and get the bananas it wants and since the female chimps are naturally attracted to its dominance over the other males, it has its pick of the females. At no point in this is it necessary for the silverback to be cooperative or considerate. Nature holds no romantic ideals, relationships only occur out of necessity. In those generalised office environments however, the betas do have power and the females don't react positively to masculinity (at least, not in the long run). Your ability to forge new, resourceful connections gets severely crippled as these people work to outcast you and in the game of power, isolation is equivalent to death.

              So being outspoken and holding strong opinions will make you stand out IRL, too. Do you really care what beta chimps or fat feminists think?

              I hope I reach a stage where I don't care on a personal level but personal feelings aside, I always thought that in the business world, even as a self-employed man, everything mostly comes down to connections. Yes, you need talent, skill, ambition, etc. however, these things usually come down to being at the right place at the right time so not having connections would decrease your chances significantly. I guess my fear isn't really of the betas and feminists so much as it's a fear of missing out. After all the talk of abundance mentality, chances for success in the business world can literally be once in a lifetime and all you'll have to look back on is a closed window of opportunity that will never open.

              I think there is too much of a victim complex going on in TRP.

              I don't know if it's really a victim complex. It feels more like a persecution complex. It feels less like whining and more like the rants of a paranoid schizo but nonetheless, I should balance what I read on here with real world experiences.

              [–]PanzerBatallion 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Its an interesting post for sure. This comes up every few weeks and I just chuckle. Everyone is a big, bad alpha on the internet that benches 350, makes 200k a year and sleeps 12 hours a day according to this sub, but that's all bullshit.

              If all these RP "truths" were as true as you guys say they are, you shouldn't have any issues talking about them in your circle of friends. But the fact is, this sub takes the story, only tells half of it, and then keeps the rest real quiet because they dont want to own their shit. Women cheat on men. Thanks for the newsflash, now, where's the nightly bulletin about scumbag guys cheating on women? That gets swept under the rug, doesn't it? Queue the typical excuses "Well, he probably had a reason to!" Yeah, and I'm sure he hamstered himself up a real good reason too.

              Bottom line - if you can't talk about this, it means one of 2 things - you either need better friends, or you're full of shit and you know it, and your position cant stand up to debate with someone who doesn't share your position.

              If your position can't stand up to debate, you need to re-evaluate your position.

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                [–]PanzerBatallion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                The problem with the red pill and this sub in general isnt the message - its the wording. Of course youre going to make enemies if you walk around saying shit like "All women are like that."

                No they're fucking not. Stop saying it. And then the reply is "well no, that's not what we mean. Wr mean TREAT all women like they are like that." Then stop fucking saying shit you don't mean. "Alpha fucks, beta bux." You guys are so cute. Ive seen the weakest follower little puppy dogs bag better looking chicks than most of you guys will ever be with.

                Of course you're running into trouble talking about this shit if you sound like a fucking idiot. If you want to make the red pill more mainstream, you need to spend more time working on the message and less time on this "NEVAR GET MARRIED, AWALT AFBB" shit that just gets repeated ad nauseum here. The message is good, the delivery is dogshit.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Womanese is a complicated language. Listen to it. "I think that maybe", "I feel like", that's how women construct their reality, with uncertainties. Of course your brash, masculine infringements are unwelcome. Many men hold the fantasy whereby they reveal their providence to women. It fills them with glee, to let the enemy know that they know. But what do you gain by revealing your hand? Distrust, and more enemies. Only brash rookies jump the gun in this manner. Learn to behave like a man, learn to speak Womanese. Rejecting a slut? "I feel like we're just not compatible right now". Talk bullocks until it sticks.

                [–]beguntheclonewarhas 22 points23 points  (13 children)

                This post is just male hamstering for "It's ok to be a spineless coward."

                Fuck this. The #1 reason were in this mess is because men have been tamed and turned into little conformist bitches.

                I see what your trying to say OP but tbh, this is the complete opposite of what we should be aspiring towards.

                [–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                It's still wise to manage your behavior in the workplace, or any other sort of political environment.

                It's kind of lame and dorky to go around spouting pedantic red pillness too. That said, one shouldn't be afraid to drop knowledge where it's needed or go into deep detail if actually asked.

                From experience I would say that trying to convince someone of an idea works a lot better when you do it with actions rather than debate. Winning an argument means the other person loses, and nobody likes losing. I talk with a friend of mine about male/female strategy and about the situation with masculinity in general. He's on the same page as me, but the times he's been vocally impressed with my ideas is when he sees how I am with my wife and how I actually live my life in general. Acta non verba.

                [–]TruePr0l0gue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I feel like this should be a lot easier to do if your livelihood doesn't literally depend on working in a place where you can be fired for causing friction with your opinions. We need more top 1% SMV people who don't have that handicap of needing to care about their professional reputation to live comfortably. They need to be old enough to be successful and understand the situation right now, but not so old that they're written off as "from another time".

                Like incredibly rich and self-made men in the 20-40 range who can live purely off of the interest of their wealth and business accomplishments. Who in the fuck is going to do anything about what they say hurting feelings? Their money is theirs, they write their own checks, no one overhead can fire them, and they can individually afford better legal representation than what 10 femzilla gorgons could pool together with gubbamint paychecks.

                I know men of this status are out there in the thousands, but many of them are either completely bluepill getting willingly vampirized by the top branch-swingin biddies, or RP but decided "fuck it, I'm good just living my life. Let the peasants fight".

                I don't even blame them.

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Pick your battles. Don't let them pick you. Wear camouflage. Don't exist in a permanent state of war. Know yourself and what is true and damn the rest.

                [–]justRPthings -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

                This is so wrong, I cant believe 7 people agree with you. You cannot change the game, all you can do is learn the rules and play to the best of your ability.

                Did you not read the recent post about trying to argue against feelz with rationality? thats exactly what youre suggesting we do with your post. It doesnt work like that and as one man standing up to your co-workers will only ensure you fuck up your current life.

                if you want to complain about how unfair that is theres a similar sub or discussing various mens problems in society.

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                  [–]Mithra9009 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Feminists changed the game

                  Were they not merely the useful idiots of a small group of ethinically-related wealthy individuals, used for the purpose of destabilising the nuclear family? Hasn't Gloria Steinem already confessed to this?

                  [–]2Overkillengine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  There is a difference between fear and pragmatism. If one thinks so highly of heedlessly charging in without consideration of the cost/benefits of doing so, then one can certainly feel free to lead by example.

                  [–]justRPthings -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                  just because Im not charging in head on doesnt mean im fearful. You dont decide whether to play by their rules or not, you are by simply existing in this day and age.

                  [–]beguntheclonewarhas 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

                  [–]justRPthings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  feel free to do something, but to do something without thinking of the consequences is stupid. In many cases the consequences far outweigh the possible results.

                  [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (34 children)

                  How about fuck this cunning woman style deception bullshit and just be out there. If the people around you make you walk on egg shells then they're losers, walk away.

                  Its disturbing how willingly you eat up this Machiavellian no values man bullshit who will look to screw you over at any given opportunity for even the slightest personal gain. Who the fuck wants to be around people like that? How about integrity and some sense of respect?

                  Why glorify psychopathy? Rise the fuck above

                  [–]woofitout 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                  Completely agree. I wouldn't start up this kind of argument in a work setting, but outside of that, in my personal life? Hell yes.

                  Any female identifying as a feminist gets instantly nexted. I don't care whether she's someone I just met at the bar, a tinder match, or someone I'm banging. You say the words, I thank you for your time and walk away. I will not allow myself to be surrounded by that level of stupidity in any capacity.

                  Numerous friends' girlfriends have brought up [sex-based wage gap/hardest job in the world/imaginary oppression by white men] during parties, pub nights, whatever. Every single time I called them on their bullshit and logically explained why. The discussions always started off somewhat heated (how dare someone disagree with me ?! I have tits!!), but at the end of the day, all saw at least a glimmer of "the light" and agreed that my reasoning made sense.

                  I view social interactions the same way I view training dogs. Letting bullshit slide without correcting it is the same as condoning it. Correct it every time (consistently and fairly), reward good behaviour, and you'll have a solid bitch.

                  [–]Rougepellet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Argument? I don't argue with feminists. Any imbecile who believes a slight word of those feminists is too stupid or too illogical to smell the bullshit even after you bury his head in it. Same for white knights. I only try to point out the bullshit to people who are already suspicious of the blindingly obvious pile of shit feminism is

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Male feminists and white knights are always beta males. Always. They go to desperate lengths to get pussy. That's how pathetic they are. They know it's bullshit.

                  [–]Spiral-knight 30 points31 points  (8 children)

                  Because, honestly? TRP won't save you when the fat bitch you work with gets you fired on wholly imaginary harassment allegations. It won't save you from the plate you slighted when she cries rape.

                  Every time you openly go against the expectations of society you gamble everything on the whims of the so-called fairer sex- and that's a fucking retarded gamble to make. Discretion is the better part of valour

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                    [–]ShounenEgo 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                    You take an unfounded huge logical leap: "If you don't want to change society then you are necessarily afraid of taking action".

                    Whatever happened to reasons like "I don't care about changing society"? Seriously, I was sitting in the bus, thinking "if I weren't get paid about my job I probably wouldn't do it". I'm doing it because I like it, a selfish reason, and because I get paid for it. How much it contributes to society doesn't give me a boner. Everyone inevitably contributes, otherwise why bother rewarding them for something there's no demand about? Plumbers, cookers, hookers, engineers, scientists, they all contribute. And they don't have to take shit from you, just because they don't wave a "down with the feminists" flag, aboard your "men who are not afraid" bandwagon.

                    Wanna do it for your moral laws? By all means, go ahead. Just keep your guilt-tripping "you're all chicken for not attempting" brush out of my face. Or don't, it's same difference to me, really.

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                      [–]ShounenEgo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      The fact that this sub even exists is because people were selfless with wanting to help others, if they just kept all the information to themselves and thought selfishly, then we wouldn't be here.

                      You're deluded if you think they don't get rewarded - and they get rewarded because they deserve it.

                      So yeah, it's just their product. Not trying to belittle their effort, it's actually a good product and I bought a few books while waiting for illimitableman's next book.

                      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      Risk VS reward. You do the math.

                      [–]Mistery_mann 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Yes and millions and millions have gotten completely railroaded by the system.

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                          [–]DannyDemotta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          No, see, its OK to be a coward if deep down inside you know you could fix things if you wanted to. You just dont.

                          Take me for instance - i could be a world class athlete and champion bodybuilder if i wanted to. I just dont feel like it because then people would envy me and stuff. So instead i'm a fat goofball, trawling TRP for feel-good karma from other LCDs. Rule 38, dude.

                          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          My naive father (73 now) got pushed into retirement by a feminist and her SJW allies. He's not exactly red pill, but his attitudes were shaped before 60s and 70s feminism, and that proved his undoing. He had the "fuck this, I'm not censoring myself" mindset until he got written up by HR and had all sorts of problems.

                          Heed law 38.

                          [–]grussvegas 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                          Fucking over other people for my own gain is fun, but seriously, why the fuck would you pretend you're one of the billions of mindless sheep out there, like a fucking coward?

                          Group mentality is growing strong in TRP. Sad.

                          And by the way, how is the "she'll call rape" thing an argument at all? You think it matters to some psycho chick if you follow social standards or not? She'll call rape anyway.

                          [–]Apollo908 3 points4 points  (10 children)

                          I'm with you. I'm not one to keep my head down and stew silently. I have on plenty of occasions stood my ground and debated these concepts. I have a lot of formal debate experience which probably helps, but I consistently "win." its not like they make an immediate switch to Red Pill, but I've successfully changed minds about the wage gap.

                          [–]Myrpl 8 points9 points  (9 children)

                          You debate with... women?

                          Why would you do this to yourself?

                          [–]Apollo908 5 points6 points  (7 children)

                          Really it's just an ultimate test of frame. All debate is basically trying to pull people into your frame, and prevent them from pulling you into theirs. It's a skill that can be taught, practiced, and mastered.

                          And usually my debates don't have me stating facts that fall on deaf ears, but instead asking questions. I let my opponent talk themselves out of their hampstered delusions. This involves getting beneath the sound bites and ego and forcing them to question their initial assumptions.

                          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                          Socrates was sentenced to death.

                          [–]Apollo908 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                          Hahaha, fair point. But we're still talking about the guy thousands of years later.

                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Maybe in 4017 people will build a monument honor of the thousands anonymous having their life crush after being brave enough to let themselves be dragged in a debate with a feminist. Like the tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

                          [–]merkmerk73 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                          Describe for us what you define as 'frame'

                          [–]Apollo908 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          On a broad scale, frame is a person's view of the world. It's how they see things. I understand it for myself as "the truth." It's what I know to be real, true, or correct.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I think of it as personal poise.

                          [–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Debating with women and spoiled children nets about the same result.

                          [–]cariboo_j -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

                          So what you're gonna be like that men's rights Edmonton fucktard who holds up picket signs at feminist rallies?

                          Then gets shrieked at for being a "rape apologist" when he uses CDC data and police records to debunk that 1 in 5 bullshit?

                          There's no reasoning with these people. You can't fight fire with fire. They have neoteny and "women are wonderful" effect on their side.

                          [–]RP15 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          You will never win feminists over.

                          It's everyone else that we need to win over.

                          [–]ShounenEgo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                          This is very very true but at the same time I hold my ground. If someone says "I'm feminist" or "women need more blah blah" or my favorite when a chick gets dumped "he was such an asshole because blah blah", Instead of giving them validation and saying yeah I agree, I always respond with "I can honestly see you feel that way" I think they catch the hint that I disagree but have no interest of going deeper in that conversation

                          I still need to be my own man. I never reveal TRP but that doesn't mean I going to blend it with the world.

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                          What is this?

                          [–]redpillstate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          A cute girl i know was complaining to me about her asshole ex bf who dumped her. Specifically, he told her he was gonna go bang some chicks over Spring break, so she could either leave him or take him back when he got back from the trip. The last words of her rant were something like, "ex's are such ASSHOLES!" because he was happily fucking other women while she sat there and fumed. My response was simply, "oh yeah, they ALWAYS are" with a fat shit eating grin. She got back with him immediately upon his return, and still are dating over a year later. Lmao. She loves that he was cocky and confident enough to do that. She had a ton of orbiters at the time but none of them compared to the guy that would leave her.

                          [–]shitLordran 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                          This. Just today my fem co worker labeled her ex a crazy MRA red pill. My response: "what's the red pill?"

                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          One niggle: "discreet" means on the down low, "discrete" means separate. Doesn't detract from an otherwise good post, and very sound piece of advice.

                          [–]RealRational 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          This information is fundamental, especially for our younger members who have everything ahead of them. (25 and under = "younger")

                          [–]Nodeal_reddit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          This is good advice. If you need to go around telling people that you're RP, then you're not RP. Let your actions speak, and then answer questions if / when anyone asks.

                          [–]TrumpsHairAdvisor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          As long as you aren't constantly preaching, a quick jab at BS is effective.

                          [–]commanderchobo 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                          What about that old adage about when they came for the certain group I said nothing, when they came for the other group I still said nothing, finally they came for me and there was no one to speak up? I'm not saying you go out of your way to pick fights or tell people you're an athiest/ MRA/ crosffiter/ vegan like some people do but it seems strange to not stand up for yourself.

                          Unless I missed the point of what you were saying

                          [–]mike_m_ekim 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          edited:

                          It's more like, you're in a secret order and if your cover is blown you die. So don't blow your own cover, jack ass.

                          [–]doubledup-tn 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                          I'm saying pick your battles, but I'm also saying that men can't win most battles these days. So be careful, and keep a low profile - steering away from engaging in the name of TRP.

                          [–]JD_Fathead 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                          Old proverb: the government man forces his way into the peasant's house and demands soup. He's fed then asks the peasant, "Do you submit?" The peasant is silent. Every day that scene is repeated until twenty years go by and the g-man keels over dead. The peasant shoves the body out the door and says, "No."

                          Bide your time, change will come.

                          [–]kafka-tamura 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.” ― Sun Tzu.

                          [–]krystyin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          “Listen, smile, agree, and then do whatever the fuck you were gonna do anyway.”― Robert Downey Jr.

                          [–]FreshTits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Hahahahah. Busted. You do know you posted this on the Internet and others can read it right. I see your rule # 38 and raise rule # 6

                          [–]obama_lurves_nsa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Thanks for the reminder OP. I find myself blabbering about this way too often (never any redpill terms, but about stories and anecdotes in general). Gotta just shut up and internalize it. Then live in stealth mode.

                          [–]stukaf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          This is excellent advice. I frequently see people acting like RP warriors in various other forums when they should be RP ninjas. The sort of candor displayed on TRP sticks out among the dribble native to twoX and relationships like a fly in the milk. It draws the kind of attention that we don't need.

                          [–]Teatach 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          Aren't the 2 first laws, "you do not talk about TRP"?

                          [–]ajs02f 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Thank you for this post. Couldn't agree more. I have made this mistake before.

                          I have been in numerous situations where men and women begin espousing blue pill nonsense in group situations and I just couldn't hold my tongue. This arrogant sense of enlightenment inspired me to "fight for the cause" each time to no avail. Not even sure what I was trying to achieve by attempting to convince them (perhaps it was mental masturbation). Each time my viewpoints were met with derision or sometimes flat our hostility. I left each interaction wondering WTF I was thinking or even bothering for.

                          Not only is it a lost cause trying to "convert" or "evangelize"...but what's the point in even trying. To what end game? I am not going to change the world and I don't care to.

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                          [–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          This applies to everything in life. Hide your efforts and just appear to be. If someone comes to you specifically to learn from you, and you trust that person, then perhaps go ahead and drop knowledge. I am still very reserved about sharing what I know with even the more manly and mission-oriented of my friends.

                          [–]varsitymack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          “Speak what you think today in hard words and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today.”

                          Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          It is too hard to change ANYBODY's position on closely-held subjects such as feminism. Trying to change somebody, especially a woman, using logic will only strengthen their resolve. Lead by example, shut up, and realize that changing the world can only be done by subtly influencing your offspring or your closest friends/brothers.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          If I see something fucked up, I say something. It has nothing to do with TRP. I just refuse to live in a society where I have to be worried about some kind of thought crime.

                          If people have a problem with it, let them have a problem. I can handle it. This rule goes against self-reliance and abundance mentality.

                          [–]deaduponaviral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Made some offhanded comment about how irresponsible a single mother had been for going out to a party on a Saturday night in front of some loose "acquaintances" (one of whom was housing a single mother with her bastard child at the time). Never thought this would offend him. Boy was I wrong. He started a scene, yelling, tried to get me to fight him in the front yard. I told him if he had anything of value to say he could say it in front of everyone else at the party on the porch. He ended up calling me a fucking pretentious cocky over-privileged douche and almost got me to clock him, but I remained calm and ended up making him look like an idiot as he was asked to leave. Needless to say we are no longer acquaintances and I read law #38 later that week. No remorse, or pity, just relief that I'm not raising bastard spawn or that I'm friends with someone who would consider such a thing. Triggers are everywhere. Fuckin eggshell society we live in.

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                          [–]tyson2444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          It's still sickening that just yesterday I spent 3 hours in a sociology class and our main activity involved discussing whether or not "the gender wage gap" would change if men could give birth, can't believe I'm paying for what should be called "intro to SJW indoctrination"

                          [–]AvatarStinky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          This X 1000. You have to pick your battles. You're not Galileo, Socrates, or Jesus. There is no advantage to spouting red pill truths in public situations. It's far better just to not say anything and withdraw quietly. The result is the same, but you haven't made any enemies.

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                          [–]PissedPajamas 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                          Till date my favorite argument with a feminist:

                          Feminist: the wage gap isssssss reallll heres statistics! (BS statistics that no economist would ever take seriously)

                          Me: wow, you've got the pointiest elbows I've seen, it's unreal

                          Feminist: what??

                          Me: have you ever considered modeling those elbows?

                          Derailed as fuck, got a few laughs. Win/win

                          [–]ThereAndBlackAgain 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                          Also . . . thinking back to any arguments I've actually 'won,' I didn't feel good afterward anyway, just like an asshole.

                          Every victory against a woman will be pyrrhic. The only way to break into the self-insulating excuse factory of her ego is to smash the walls so thoroughly that it makes you a bad person.

                          [–]dancing_junkie 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                          Only women can take down feminism. Just like only whites could stop slavery and only men could support letting women vote and have an actual life. What ever group is doing it needs to be the group that stops it also.

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                            [–]dancing_junkie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Indeed that was the case. Slavery a bit differently since in reality feminism was one of the main drivers for their release. Honestly I give feminism a lot of credit for helping out a lot of others (prison inmates, mentally disabled) to rise up to have fair standards a few hundred years ago, I think those women would shake their heads at it nowadays.

                            [–]10211799107 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            in raising your boys to be independent and manly.

                            How would you do this successfully? If you raise your boys at home one way, they will be shunned and crucified at school if they exhibit those manly qualities. You can raise them how you want, but won't their upbringing still be heavily influenced by the outside world like school etc? I don't have kids, don't want any, but if in ten years I plan to, I'd be scared shitless if my boy(s) turn into pussies because of their environment.

                            [–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Doesn't matter what happens at school. You just hold fast and have their back, and reinforce what you know is right. If you're leading them correctly, then at least some of the types of activities they choose to get involved with will have others who think like them. And if not, well, they have a good chance of standing out as a leader. Strength is strength, even if others don't necessarily agree. The whole world is often one big shit test. The most important thing to teach them is that they should shape the world or at least stay neutral and stoic, rather than be shaped by it.

                            [–]-Lowbrow- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Let us take this to heart, and teach this to our sons.

                            [–]RustinSpencerCohle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Yeah, no. Nobody tells me what to do. I'll say what I want, and I'll do what I want.

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            This is the way I do it. Before getting into any debate, I ask this question to the other party, "If you can convince me by logic and reasoning, I'll change my opinion. If I can convince you by logic and reasoning, will you change your opinion?"

                            If their answer is no, or it depends, do not even bother to engage in any argument. It's not worth it. He or she will not change their opinion and you'll waste your energy. The psychology of arguments is that the person trying to prove something to others is in fact trying to get their approval. Getting approval of someone is a big no-no as you might have read here multiple times. When you win the argument, that means, the other person lost the argument, and nobody likes to lose as that would hurt their self-esteem. So, they would deny vehemently and argue emotionally.

                            If they say yes, carefully put forward one point at a time, and ask them if they agree. If they don't or start arguing emotionally, DO NOT argue further and end the debate right there and then.

                            [–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Just to bring back another point from a recent article. Don't engage in RP behavior when you are with your bros. It's fucking retarded. Have fun, be chill, maintain frame but don't go all i'm alpha this, i took red pill that. Nah, keep it to yourself. Regarding OP's story, be careful when you should be ok to take some slight shit at work. Unless it's on another level of torment than never take horrible insulting shit from anybody. If a plan isn't ready, then just ignore any bullshit and keep at it, if everything works well you'll soon get out. RP has made me realize there's always a need to have multiple plans, whether work, relationship or financially related, always have something to fall back on. If any of what I said is bullshit please correct me.

                            [–]rajesh8162 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            "Here's my advice for you: suck it up and shut up. Try to be RP in your own person, in your behavior, in raising your SMV, in not taking shit from people, in raising your boys to be independent and manly. That's all you can do."

                            Thanks for that!

                            [–]ellen_pao -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

                            This feels like the klan or a cult.

                            If you need to hide your beliefs from the general public then something must be fundamentally wrong the teachings here.

                            You should be proud of what you believe in.

                            It's only cowards who hide their beliefs.

                            I am not saying to go shouting from the rooftops proclaiming redpil ! redpill! but something is wrong with it if it must be hidden from public.

                            I liken this to people who are secretly in the Ku Klux Klan.

                            [–]genethedog 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                            This is an extreme example. If someone genuinely asks and wants to know, I'd be proud to tell them. I think he's saying, don't proselytize. And I'm cool with that. Do you like it when religious people come knocking and telling you aout what they believe and expecting you to listen? No. No one does. It's annoying.

                            And the idea that keeping quiet about your ideas/beliefs means there's something wrong with them is a pretty fucking stupid thing to say. History is rife with people that kept ideas (world is round, earth revolves around sun...) quiet because the general population are a bunch of lunatics that will, at minimum, shame you or at worst, kill you for holding that belief. Doesn't mean the idea is bad. What's wrong with you?

                            [–]ellen_pao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            never announce that you're RP. Never even use RP terminology in public.

                            This is what he said. Something is wrong here.

                            Right now racists are persecuted if anyone the public finds out they are in the KuKluxKlan.

                            That excuse about fear of lunatics is bullshit.

                            [–]mydogfartzwithz -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                            I'm going to have to disagree.

                            [–]What_The_Shoe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            If you just say that you disagree without explaining, you're making it clear that your goal is to incite a reaction. Explain or leave.

                            [–]mydogfartzwithz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I'm trying to incite a reaction? No, I'd have to disagree.

                            Nah I'll explain, I agree that calling out people subliminal intentions will get you ousted and outcastes by the social group that knows you can see people how they really are, I've privately called guys out who were starting to annoy me, talking shit behind my back, spreading rumors about me. I've had to privately put these guys in their place. I actually did lose my job calling this person out in public, I lost my cool, but I don't regret it. If we all retreat and let society be fucked over by feminism and the weakness of not being a man, pretty soon we'll lose our minds, we'll lose everything. It's about time these people get over being butt hurt. It's hurting our societies. It's hurting humanity

                            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                            I would argue that feminism is our ally, not our enemy. why?

                            what does a feminist do?

                            she tells beta males to shut the fuck up, and behind his back, she fucks the alphas.

                            what are TRP guys? we're alphas, not betas.

                            So a feminist woman is telling losers to shut the fuck up, so she can come fuck us and suck our dick.

                            don't get so upset about feminists. They are lying on our behalf.

                            [–]hebola4lyfe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            feminism is not something to be underestimated . It has already destroyed a lot of society's norm and value in short years . It WILL get worst in a few more years. More and more men are becoming cucks and male feminists. The female privilege and imperative is astronomically rising over male rights and freedom. The situation is so bad that even some women are starting to wake up.

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I'm not sure you understand what I mean.

                            When women scream "don't sexually harass me", that is to TRP's benefit. Because all the BBs will be like "ok" and not talk to her. The TRPs go up, get her pants wet, and suddenly she doesn't care if he's harassing her, because women change their minds at the drop of a hat and have no consistency.

                            So feminist rhetoric helps TRPs and alphas because it only drives away BBs.

                            [–]sourpuss_ashkenazi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            one time out with acquaintances we had a feminist girl give a ,man hating speech. when she wasn't looking at me I shook my head to the others. some smiled, some were like huh?? I was tempted to destroy her in argument but what was the point? she was damaged and I wouldn't gain anything

                            [–]NeoreactionSafe -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                            Let's say the long term goal is to:

                            .

                            Destroy Progressive Myths

                            .

                            Okay... sounds simple right? All you need to do is calmly explain Red Pill in rational ways and all the Blue Pill Betas will recognize your brilliant oratory and be convinced to think in a new way.

                            Fail

                            This will never work because the Blue Pill is an emotionally indoctrinated mythology so the victim/beta doesn't know he's been fucked. Most betas think they are doing okay, they think the world is generally good and that with just a little more "niceness" things might reach utopia.

                            So if you want to destroy the progressive myths you must be subtle.

                            Pretend to go along. Find points of common connection and build the emotional rapport that all human interactions are based on. Then in secret you work conversations towards topics where you know you can string the beta along until he realizes the truth... seemingly on his own.

                            How will this beta feel about you?

                            If you do it right he will see you as his big brother and pal and since in reality you have improved his knowledge you actually did a good thing.

                            Never ever appear confrontational with a Blue Pill beta if you intend to destroy his myth. Stealth is very important.

                            Win friends and influence people.

                            .

                            [–]unluckycricket -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

                            Hi guys. I am a female. Please hear me out. I acknowledge some of the things you say are true. I also think that you are grouping us all into a category and saying we are all the same. I honestly have always respected and supported a man's manliness. Although if I am reading your posts correctly, it seems like most of you are blaming females in general for the way things are going in society. Please realize not all of us women want to rule over men, maybe some(possibly most) women do, but not me. I would just like to see the masculinity of man and the muliebrity of woman interact equally, keeping each other in check like Yin and Yang energy. I believe man and female are supposed to live harmoniously...and yes things are out of balance. Yes we now live in an increasingly more effeminate society, not too long ago the balance was in man's favor and many women were abused during that time just like it seems this same thing is happening to men ever since the tables have turned.This really sucks. I will tell you I do not think derogatory thoughts of men in general, just toward certain men. Just as I hope you all do not automatically hate me because of my gender. This back and forth between us has been going on since the dawn of time. For example, the Spartans accused the Athenians of being effeminate. Do we really have to be at constant odds and create so much pain for each other? One cannot survive without the other. Most of these women I read about on this sub seem ignorant and cruel towards men and I am sorry if you have been victimized by a person of my gender. I have been victimized by many of your gender but I do not hate you and label you all. Ignorance is the real issue at hand in this case. We create our own demons. Many women are increasingly more derogatory towards men because of the actions of a man(or men) who have mistreated her in times when men were overwhelmingly more powerful than her. So in spite and ignorance, many women hate men in general for the actions of only a fraction of you. Sadly it seems your problem came from where you are trying to return to. Now you have a hatred for us just as we had for you. So now a lot of women are abusing men as they are realizing they have more power these days. This is wrong. I agree, but is it right for you to come into power again and punish all of us for the deeds of our gender as a whole? This makes me sad. I really think both the red pill and the blue pill need to forgive past grievances and realize there are "bad apples" which fall from every tree. We cannot blame the tree as a whole. We are all part of the same beautiful heap of shit called earth, can we get along? How about educating ignorant people so we can all see the big picture and move on. We need to unite, not divide and conquer each other back and forth for all of eternity. Trust me i am not targeting or trolling you or belittling you as men and you can count on me saying things to my fellow females about this as well. Know there is a neutral side and join us!

                            Anyways sorry if i went on too long and for the sloppy writing, i am in a hurry. BTW i am in a happy relationship and my man is happy. Its my life to keep him happy. We are not all cruel. Find a real woman, we are few but we exist. We will cook you food and love you and bring you more food after you come home from wherever you want to go. Us real ladies pride ourselves on the happiness of our men so please bring it up if you are unhappy and give us a chance to change, if we don't care, take the time to teach us or leave us lonely. We need you too, you are more powerful than you think!

                            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                            Many women are increasingly more derogatory towards men because of the actions of a man(or men) who have mistreated her in times when men were overwhelmingly more powerful than her.

                            Patriarchy Theory bullshit. Women were not oppressed historically, that is ' Herstory'. Few women alive today have even lived in a non-gynocentric society. These are just pathetic excuses, along the same lines as 'the international Jewish conspiracy' was for the national socialists. Feminists are to gender relations what the KKK is to race relations. It is only now that feminism starts to hurt women (because men have adapted and turned their backs on marriage) that women start to turn against feminism too.

                            [–]unluckycricket 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                            I am not attempting to make "excuses" for feminists. I simply see how the world is becoming more effeminate. I am just stating the ignorance of society is creating this problem. These feminists do not realize in many cases that they are being too oppressive of men. They just think they are gaining equal rights for women...then some radical feminists decided to take it a step further and punish men out of spite. The average female today just thinks she is a goddess for men to worship and forgot that men are also gods, and now I see upset men. I get it. I am just saying that even men have the same potential to be overly radical misogynists in a society. It has happened before whether you believe it or not. Even if today's generation did not experience this, generations before did. Who taught the masses to hold these effeminate values? The generations before us taught us these ignorant feminist values. I do not consider myself a feminist. I choose to stay neutral. I refuse to become bitter and teach hatred to future generations. Education is the key here. We shape how society changes. If we feel like things are out of balance then we should take it upon ourselves to teach the right values to our future generations. Hating these women for their actions is not the way. Educating them might actually help your cause and bring them to understand. Not everyone is going to agree, that is just life. But some may realize the error of their ways and decide to make a change for you if you just make it known that you are being hurt. You can't change everything but you can make a difference.

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                            This is not a cause, you are confusing TRP with MRA. You are in the wrong place. I think you are genuine, but really you should hang out at RPW, not TRP (although even there if you come out with the 'women were oppressed through history' bullshit you will get shot down). Hunting unicorns is a fool's game. Nobody cares about 'educating' deluded feminists. They have poisoned the waters between men and women, but that does not mean that individual men and women cannot make a good life for themselves, and that is what we are about. However, men thinking they have found a unicorn will avail them nothing, because society gives women power they are ill equipped to handle, and all too commonly misuse. Therefore, the refrain that you will hear increasingly as you get older: Men, Do Not Marry!

                            Does this harm women? Yes (http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/the-bitter-harvest-of-feminism.html) but so it should. Far too many women have been happy to profit from feminism at the expense of men and children. So now, we are adapting to the situation, and are villified for it. Tough shit. You reap what you sow.

                            Honestly, much of what you say here I'm in agreement with (except the 'they just think they are gaining equal rights for women' part. Only the very naive can think that). Previous generations, just like this one, were characterised by women being protected by men, and women being privileged members of society. Women's power was covert rather than overt, which was very convenient for feminists because they could pretend that women had no power. The bias of both men and women towards women is not some new thing, it is biological. The sheer idiocy of the feminist idea that women were 'oppressed' for 100,000 years or more, until feminists came along, waved a few placards, and men suddenly went, 'oh yeah, ok, let's give them what they ask for' is breathtaking. Women were not that stupid, they simply didn't want men's jobs when they were difficult and dangerous (and still don't). Hating a hate group is perfectly legitimate. You can say we shouldn't hate Nazis if you like, but it is a perfectly legitimate response. And the analogy is apt: they are called feminazis for good reason.

                            Does this mean that women's reputation in general has suffered because of feminists? Absolutely, but again this is not without justification. Western women behave extremely badly when given the freedom that this gynocentric society gives them. This is why men openly talk about finding women elsewhere - Eastern Europe, Philippines, Dominican Republic, etc. The quality of women in the west now is so low, few are worth men's time. Of course, with this wedge driven between the sexes (the great success of feminism) it means the society cannot last that much longer, but this is nothing new. Feminism has arisen before, always just before a society collapses.

                            I agree that the sexes are actually complementary, not in direct opposition (although, the best sexual strategy of each is not always in agreement, there is always a tension there), but when society favours hypergamy as it does, this inevitably leads to the breakdown of families and a stable environment for children. This sub is about how men best adapt to this. It is not a movement to 'educate' society or bring feminists to their senses. It is not about finding unicorns to get married to. It is about facing reality, no matter how painful, and making the best of a bad job. That means not trusting women very far without very good cause (too many get totally screwed by women in divorce courts, or from false rape accusations, or simply from cheating). It does not mean playing the game for the benefit of women, or being what women say they want men to be. It is about reclaiming masculinity and realising there is much of value there, and women have no say in it. Ironically, when men follow what women say they want, both men and women lose. When men do not follow that, but instead learn to become men, both men and women win.

                            You get opposition here, first because you say 'I am a female'. I guess you didn't get that message. And second because, laudable as your statements about how you treat the man in your life are, you imply that we 'just need to find a good woman and trust her', which is a recipe for disaster. Try RPW.

                            [–]unluckycricket 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            I think you may misunderstand a few things I said a bit. Maybe i worded things incorrectly. I just see so many upset men here and I feel the need to say something to help you guys. Maybe i have misunderstood you. But I do not think my post is completely irrelevant to TRP. I guess I didn't specify that you cant just trust any woman to just be a good woman. I agree that is a recipe for disaster. You have to develop that trust over time. You have to sift through the dirt to find a gem. Many women paint themselves up and seduce you guys into submission and take you for everything you have. You can polish a turd but its still a turd in the end. They will lie to you, they will hurt you. Men do need too be ever vigilant these days or you will be taken advantage of. I just really don't like being hated because of the way society has become. It is not my fault. I agree men need to be men and not follow what women want unless they both want the same thing. But you say there is no value for my post here at all? I disagree. I am more worried about the women hate spewing I read from select people who are posting in TRP. I do not disagree with TRP's values. Honestly It helps me to understand men better to have these discussions. Maybe if you all didn't try to scare women away we would read this stuff and more women would wake up. I just disagree with the guys who are on TRP really just hating women in general. I understand the frustration. It makes me sad to see so many people who seem to have lost hope and who are having trouble coping because of these feminists.

                            [–]hebola4lyfe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            The hamstering is quite strong with this one.

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            Do you really have the temerity to presume men here want or need your approval?? If you want attention head to twoX.

                            Tits or gtfo, bitch

                            [–]unluckycricket 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I was going to say something mean and cruel to you, like you just did to me, but I realized that is not the correct path. I still have self respect and respect for you (and your sour opinion of me). But I don't want or need your approval. If you are here to troll me then kindly, fuck off. I am here in support of men, not assholes. You choose which one you are, not me. If you only seek tits I know of many websites you can go to and see the finest. Have a nice day man. Sorry if you have been a victim of the mean and spiteful women of the world too but I am not one of them. I am of a more peaceful nature. If that makes me a "bitch", then I am the biggest bitch in the world.