Red Pill TheorySeducing a woman is a game of layers (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorPopeman79

Tdlr: Just because you got your opening doesn’t mean you should rush to close. Women want to be seduced, but they need the process to be slow and gradual. ENJOY peeling them off.

Think of a woman as a very tight asshole (just as much as we are a decisive, conquering cock). You don’t ram through it just when you see an opening. You lubricate it, inch by inch, until you reach its core, until it’s gaping. Until this void you created begs to be filled by you.

I see how betas work. They gather their strength, clench their little fists, and go talk to that girl, fearing that they’ll be rejected. The girl sees the betaness, but she’s feeling lonely and she gives him a chance, she smiles, she shows the tiniest part of interest. The guy thinks he’s in, and now the only thing on his mind is to put his cock in her. He grabs her ass after 5 minutes. He proposes to go to his place after 20 minutes. Then the girl shuts him down, and he calls her a bitch, a cock-tease. Meanwhile, the girl wanted to end up being fucked by this guy, but she has all these tensed layers that he didn’t take care of

Listen, women need to feel you penetrate them, layer by layer.

First, the social barrier: you acknowledge it, you learn it, you overcome it. Understand the social dynamics of the venue, go talk to her group of friends, make a joke, show value. And have fun doing it! Enjoy yourself, enjoy befriending her friends. No rush.

Great, well done. But that’s just the first step.

Second, the intellectual barrier: you pull her out of the group. You acknowledge there is a barrier of intellectual interests, a possible incompatibility of ways of thinking. Understand it, have a discussion with her, find common topics, find topics you disagree on to show her that it’s not all fake. Show her that you know how to disagree, that you can stand your ground without breaking the connection. And have fun doing it! Enjoy yourself, enjoy getting to know another person. No rush.

Third, the emotional barrier: you acknowledge she has emotions ready to explode. Show her you can deal with them while being neither the nice guy nor the asshole (although if in doubt, always choose the asshole way). Tease her. Compliment her then tease her again. Show empathy. Make her ride the whole carrousel of emotions with you, all while remaining in control. You're the amused master. And have fun doing it! Enjoy yourself, enjoy getting her through different emotions. No rush.

Fourth, the physical barrier: you acknowledge the skin has its own agenda. It could like or dislike you. Everybody knows you should start kino as soon as possible. When you get more physical (caressing, touching her hand, her neck) don’t rush for the kiss. Go slow. Enjoy her hand, her skin, get her accustomed to yours. When you kiss, don’t rush it either, build it up. Enjoy discovering somebody else’s body. No rush.

Fifth, the logistics barrier: you acknowledge that sometimes life or things come in the way of an otherwise perfect interaction. You’ve been planning for it. You plan how to bounce her to your location without making it awkward for her or her friends. It’s not about the destination, enjoy the journey. Let’s say you’re walking to your house, don’t think about sex. Enjoy walking in the street with her. Look at the night. Rehash all the previous steps, the emotions, the talking, the skin. Enjoy travelling with her, you’ll get there eventually. No rush

Conclusions: Trust me, once you get there, she will be in total abandon for you. Because you went through all her layers, and you enjoyed doing it. She feels she is totally yours, she can’t hide behind her emotions, or her social environment, or her intellect. You OWNED all of these barriers.

EDIT: The Blue Pill was, rightfully, making fun of the use of some incorrect words in this post. I am not a native english speaker, mistakes corrected.

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[–]Turkerthelurker 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Not this pun shit in TRP. Please please please not this pun shit.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I wrote about this more extensively in my comment on the stickied Mod thread: when puns and jokes start reaching the top of a community, it's the beginning of the end. It starts signalling to other jokers and punsters that such comments are rewarded by the community, and so they start one-upping themselves to do it more. And the intelligent conversation starts to wither away. Glad to see that the comments have been removed one way or another.

[–]EmDeeEx14 74 points75 points  (6 children)

This is important, especially for you new cats. I've noticed a trend of field reports in which the poster closes the deal pretty quickly,

You have to understand most of the time these guys are either 1. pretty good looking, 6 foot plus, white, tan ect (chad) 2. Red pill vets

...realize that taking your time in most cases (especially with a beginner, because yes, you will fuck up) Will help you to learn more, about yourself, and women as well. Take the time to learn the signs. Sometimes it helps to mentally stereotype the girl (what does she look like? How is she acting? Is she receptive when I say this? Is she receptive at all?) And then keep that memorized when you encounter similar personalities.

Remember, everyone wants to finish first, but rome was not built in a day, or week, or year.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I mean it does happen. Just a stare and 5 minutes later the girl is sucking you cock in the restrooms. And the more alpha you get, the more probable it will happen. But you're absolutely right: before becoming alpha you need to undersand all these steps and layers, and types of women.

Also, on a personal note, now I genuinely enjoy getting to know the girl, in particular to play with her emotions. It makes the pounding at the end of the night the cherry on top of a great evening.

[–]LazyMagus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I am happy to read this comment. All through this well written post, I was thinking about the quick f-close /u/NightwingTRP's last post mentioned.

You created good caution.

[–]haxjag34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

first thing that came to mind, lmao!

[–]Physio_Tool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good looking loser teaches you how to become this chad you are speaking of

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (6 children)

No rush

I like the cut of your jib.

I think the number one thing a guy can do to cause a girl to be standing in a slippery little puddle, is simply to be present. Not thinking of how to get in her pants. Not thinking of how to impress her. Just being right there. Completely present in the moment with her.

"If you're out with this girl and you're even thinking about getting laid, you're finished. Because women can smell an agenda like shit on a shoe." - Dex (in Tao of Steve)

But if you're worried about whether you're being fully present, you're not. You're stealing attention from her and using it to monitor your own state. She'll feel the subtle disconnect. Even the tiniest ripple.

It's the easiest thing in the world. It's the hardest thing in the world.

To always be here now.

[–]Galaldriel 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Regular meditation helps here

[–]jonotol 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To expand on this point, The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle is an excellent resource for those who aren't familiar with being present in the moment.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is always now.

You just keep forgetting, and distracting yourself with thoughts of past and future.

[–]liftandextend 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Easiest thing in the world? Although I agree with everything you say here, I'm not sure about that last little piece.

In yoga one of the fundamental concepts is learning to become present, and from both my experience and my students, it can be a very hard thing to do.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think you missed the second part of that -- I expected somebody to ask "so which one is it?":

It's the easiest thing in the world. It's the hardest thing in the world.

It's the easiest thing in the world while you're not trying -- perhaps lost in a girl's eyes. It's still the hardest thing in the world.

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[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Your post is absolute shit and adds nothing to the conversation. Next time, think before you type.

One week ban.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

My dirty mind in a nutshell

[–]Disleep 26 points26 points [recovered]

Basically you're saying to relax more and enjoy playing her until you have what you want.

I won't say it's not correct, it's a good advice for rushers and newcomers... but after a bit of experience you should keep it short and don't waste your precious time.

You're there just for the sex, right? Why keep it longer than you have?

I mean, with 99% of the girls there's no really "making a connection" or having a good honest rational conversation. She's there talking about something she pretends to like looking for validation and you playing her to get the sex you want.

Or at least, this is what is like usually... and if you think she's not like that, you're just another guy who is getting fooled.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

I mean, with 99% of the girls there's no really "making a connection" or having a good honest rational conversation. She's there talking about something she pretends to like looking for validation and you playing her to get the sex you want

Girls are like kids imo. They're not absolute idiots. They just don't know how to pace themselves, their emotions get the best of them, etc. I personnaly enjoy talking to kids for a little bit, the same way I enjoy talking to girls. They're fun.

But I completely agree that the more you climb up in the SMP ladder, the less time you have to spare, and the less time you need to spend to get the girl. In the end alphas don't need this type of advice, they know all this already.

[–]Disleep 9 points9 points [recovered]

I think they're good players, much more than the most of us, they're experienced and naturally talented. They share techniques with kids like lying, crying... but apart from all this, they're empty.

I know it's sad but... AWALT.

Don't let women be your life goal, you're better than a PUA.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I partly agree with you. PUA is just a basic technique, and I always advocate on this forum that women should never be a life goal. If a man's goal in life is just to get women, what a sad life he'll have.

However, I think that once we admit that women are honorless, selfish, empty and manipulative, it's really easy to become a woman hater. They have this amazing ability to become what we make them, to take the form of their container. If women act like bitches it's because we let them. But you can also guide a woman, train her, to become the best companion you could ever dream of, and a great, nurturing and caring human being.

I believe in becoming the captain (steer the ship and push your first mate to improve under your leadership), not the slave owner (use the woman only for your sexual pleasure). Women today are vapid whores because men have lost interest in being the captain.

[–]Disleep 3 points3 points [recovered]

How can I put this. You're saying that you can make a great sculpture from a big rock... but you're the one making it. You can't give them credits for being a rock, and you can only consider yourself the smart one to have chosen a big one.

I mean, don't hate them, don't love them, they're just empty rocks.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah i see what you mean. They're not empty though. They have this amazing ability to feel which way the wind blows. They lack the strength to resist the wind, like we can.

Learn to enjoy the wind I guess. We are mostly purpose, but not only.

[–]TRPShill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

if your non-behavioral SMV is low, its going to take longer and a lot more shit tests to get to that pussy, and your chances are lower. Still doable, just a more difficult and longer march with deadly traps planted randomly throughout

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

You're there just for the sex, right? Why keep it longer than you have?

I'm never there just for the sex.

I enjoy the rest of the process as much, if not more. Just as I take my time with a nice steak and would never gulp down a fine wine -- primeval desire is best when slowly savored.

[–]SureImShore 3 points4 points  (0 children)


The transition from aloof/playing with phone/resting bitch face to bedroom eyes/"take me home and fuck me right now" = priceless.

[–]Disleep 4 points4 points [recovered]

Yes sir but the problem is you're mistaking the pick up part with sex.

Sex is eating.

Pick up is cooking.

There's no primeval desire in cooking, you're lying to yourself: you enjoy it just because before you wouldn't be able to do it (like me or every ex AFC beta here) and now you feel powerful.

I think people shouldn't waste time proving to themselves they can do something. Stop trying to fill that void because you can never have enough of that. Just use what you learned to take the sex you wanted and go on with your life.

I am quite sure that alphas are never thinking "I'm totally playing her, she's so hot and she's just looking at me all the time, her tingles are priceless and make me feel so powerful and masculine".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Nah, sex is dessert.

Opening is cocktails, and there's a full seven course meal to be had for anyone who cares to take the time to enjoy it.

Life is what you make of it and I eat at 5-star restaurants whenever possible.

Our bodies are wired such that we can feel pleasure from simple eye contact - lazy lightning. And if you're engaging in pickup for any reason other than personal amusement, you're missing the best part.

Oh sure, sex is usually grand. But without the buildup, and that sweet sweet moment of her surrender -- it just seems hollow. May as well hit up a hooker.

If it were only about power, the whole thing would be colorless and bland.

[–]Disleep 2 points2 points [recovered]

Honestly I disagree. I prefer enjoy life in other ways than having eye contact with a woman.

The hollow part is just an excuse to self amuse yourself, look at the japanese host guy: he's at the top of the chain and he completely don't give a shit about "building the momentum" or whatever.


You just want sex money and power like everyonelse, stop focusing on the process, the satisfaction has come after, not in the meanwhile.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're projecting, friend. I assure you that some people, myself included, hear and feel the poetry in the subtleties of the human mating ritual.

But you and I are coming at this from two completely different directions. I'm very likely at least twice your age. I never had any trouble in attracting women -- I just had a problem with them taking me to the cleaners. And even now with a third-trimester whisky belly, I can still charm the pants off cuties in their early twenties.

TRP for me is about not allowing them a halo. About understanding that they're completely lacking in honor. That they simply do not understand truth as I do.

But I still enjoy everything about most of my time with most of them. And as time has gone by, I've begun to pick up more and more of the subtle nuances of interactions with them -- and interactions between them.

The journey is the reward.

[–]reddexx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you ever seen "The Great Happiness Space"? The male hosts almost never have sex with these women. Sex is bad for business, which is all about selling the emotional buildup and momentum towards sex and a relationship for money. They're the ultimate clit tease.

[–]reddexx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. At first you enjoy steak, later you enjoy the cooking the steak. The skilled deduction becomes more enjoyable than the actual sex.

[–]reddexx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see it as like trying to give advice on how to navigate an unknown forest. When you're new don't just rush in because you'll run headlong into a tree. Take your time to discover a path. Later you can refine the most efficient path.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Interesting, so are you saying that girls have no deep interest in anything they seem to be interested in? (except perhaps fashion?).

[–]Disleep 1 points1 points [recovered]

They like fashion because leads to validation. If you dress well, people will like you. I think it's rare but not impossible that a woman has a genuine and deep interest in something. Man are more like that, the passion for cars and computers are the best example.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just because you can see the bottom of the pool doesn't mean it's not deep. Men with a "passion" for cars and computers aren't just trying to realize their optimal sexual strategy? People who use their hobbies as a tool for validation aren't really into them? Saying stuff like this makes you seem like the type of guy that pays musicians with "exposure" because if they're "passionate" about their craft, it shouldn't be "about" money. The red pill isn't "men good, women bad", it's "men this, women that".

[–]Disleep 1 points1 points [recovered]

You got me with the first sentence man.

But really do you think nerding and programming can be a sexual strategy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A beta sexual strategy. They might get into it because it's cool (which it is, I've just never been interested) or because it makes mad money, which is potentially alpha.

A strategy is as alpha as the man who uses it. Being a nerd isn't sexy unless you're good looking and can leverage your wit into something endearing. Even then, you have to imply that you have other shit to talk about when the words "I'm a programmer" leave your mouth.

Cars are the same way. If you roll up in a camaro, it's hot. If you jabber about the type of engine block you have while her eyes glaze over, she'll thank you for the ride and shake your hand when you drop her off at her apartment.

[–]trinitys_dildo 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Show her that you know how to disagree, that you can stand your ground without breaking the connection

I suck at this whether it be men or women. Joe Rogan is great at it maybe I should study how he does it....

EDIT: To be clear I'm great at the "standing my ground bit" it's the "without breaking the connection" that I struggle with

[–]reddexx 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You have to be unafraid to risk their disapproval to win their approval. That's the essence of a man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Risk can lead to reward and it can also lead to failure.

But we all know where not taking risks gets you. Same place you always were.

[–]reddexx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The confident man doesn't concern himself with so-called failure.

I've learned from many role models such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tony Robbins and Scott Adams that they don't even think in terms of risking failure. There is only success-or learning, which better prepare you for success next.

So it's success or learning, win/win. Now, what's to risk?

[–]ChadThundercockII 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Do it like Bruce Lee. Check out Charisma On Demand.

[–]trinitys_dildo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I found this:


very informative...

[–]ChadThundercockII 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the video I was referring to. Notice was natural Bruce is. Like Water !

Kudos for doing the research.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Great list, especially the logistics barrier which is often forgotten. Logistics covers everything from transportation and proximity to making sure you have enough food/drinks/condoms.

For the physical layer, escalation and lifting are similar in this respect: you want to start out light but make sure you are following a pattern of progressive overload by gradually going heavier in definite increments. If you fail, de-load 10% and try again.

[–]krudam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

David D phrases it as "two steps forward, one step back"

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Hate to be a downer. But , like a ships XO, someone needs to speak the truth no matter how warm and fuzzy it may or may not be.

Insofar as seduction goes, the "Onion Model" of peeling layers only works if the woman has something to gain from the interaction. All cross-gender relationships are transactional. Back in Marriage 1.0 days women had a vested interest in listening to every man they met-never know if this ones better then the one she has .

Today, our disposability combined with government enforcement of feminism means women have no practical need to interact with men at all. She wants Alpha dick? Hit up Tinder for 6'5" Chad , Tyrone, or her army of ex boyfriends .

Money? Call up her regiment of orbiters . Seduction only works when she has something to gain, and if that's the case SHE will cut to the chase. Hence the fast field reports. Either you strike out or you strike gold.

Now, here's the tips you need for a same-hour fuck of a strange girl. I've found these factors pretty much to be non-negotiable.

Concealment. She won't fuck you if someone else she knows can find out about it.This is the hardest force to control for, given our digitally connected world. This is also why small town gaming can be pickup artistry on Legendary mode.

Escape. You as the man need to be able to leave the interaction and her permanently with no or few attachments. This is why boning coworkers is a shitty idea. Those girls know where you work!

Physicality. Gotta look good. Don't need to be Tyrese or Brad Pitt, but you can't be out of shape or dressed like a shitstain.

Lastly. Balls. Gotta have the testicular fortitude to drag her to the nearest secluded area for sex when the signals go off.Any hesitation blows the sarge. If any of these ingredients above are not all in place to some degree, you ain't getting laid.

In which case...what the hell are you doing talking to her?

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's increasingly like that. But

1.) If you're Chad, no need for peeling layers. Just show up and be awesome. Move along

2.) If you're the average Joe learning TRP and hitting on a shy 6 at the bar, this post is for you. All are sluts for the right guy, but the right guy is sometimes busy (see 1.). I know a lot of average girls, they want to have sex but they want some feeling of self-worth for it to happen. They will have sex with an average guy if he shows he can peel them off. Or they will have sex with effortless Chad.

3.) Finally, as I mentionned somewhere else, women are what we make them. Some of them still genuinely want a guy to dominate them in all aspects, not just in the bedroom. Treat them like a sex slave and they will be nothing more. Treat them like a first mate that you dominate in all aspects, and they will adore you, not just your body.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A good, thoughtful response. I am awarding you a point for this.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really disagree. I've done a lot of game and that's gotten me about a hundred makeouts but without any connection and without anything making yourself out to be high value other than just confidence and aggressiveness, the girl is just gonna feel slutty and want to runaway.

[–]scrubzor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This comes back to the notion of sexual tension. Sometimes the anticipation is more exciting than getting to sex asap, especially for the girl. Learn to enjoy the tension. The joy is in the tension not the release. Be a tease. Make her chase. Make her work for it. Sometimes being so eager to get to sex asap can really hurt your chances of getting laid.

That being said, it depends on the situation. Drunk at a club at 2AM is a lot different game than inviting a girl out for drinks, or meeting her early on in the evening. Sometimes you have to take the fast pull, because of logistics or the situation calls for it. But other times playing the slow game can really work wonders, and the sex will be explosive once you finally hit the bedroom.

[–]killsyou123 2 points3 points  (6 children)

My usual hang up is the emotional barrier. Any examples of teases that don't go too far... Unless I'm just over thinking it?

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

There is a lot of material in PUA techniques. To summarise it, the key is to run her through a wide range of emotion, while remaining in control and generating empathy with her.

So you go from smitten (awww, let me tell you what my brother's niece told me last week) to shame/excitement (hey I saw a guy fingering this girl in the street.. imagine if it was us, how would we react haha etc.) to funny (so my drunk friend spots a cop car parked in the street, he steps on the hood and starts peeing on the windshield, and just as he's looking at us, the lights in the car turn on) to desire (I love your neck, I have this thing about necks.. it makes me wanna bite it slowwwly) to anger, etc...

You get the drift.

Also, in my case I never lie. All my stories are true. To get stories of you own, live!

[–]killsyou123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if any of those stories are true you've inspired me haha

[–]TRPJZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My father always told me that no matter what story you come up with as long as it might be true as some time and some place it is fair game.

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[–]killsyou123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Short and sweet thank ya kindly bud.

[–]fap_the_pain_away 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Layer 1: be born good looking.

Layer 2: with all these women flocking to you, you gain confidence. Also, you naturally experience what happens depending on how you act. So you learn which behaviors work in getting the girl to keep coming back for more sex. Due to ample opportunity, you develop game naturally.

Layer 3: people who don't actually get laid continually post on the internet about how mysterious women are, and perpetually try to crack this great mystery.

Layer 4: some people take the looks pill and everything makes sense. The rest live in denial of reality, yet keep calling themselves "red pill."

At least looks deniers know not to get married, AWALT, lifting, 48 laws of power, AF/BB, hypergamy, and female behavior towards "chads" (aka good looking men! but they won't admit it). So they're somewhat purple.

It's sad though. Tens of thousands of men refuse to accept reality. Because of the defense mechanism.

EDIT: For clarity, here is the complete formula to "seduce" women:

  1. Be good looking and act normal


  1. Be a badboy (thug, criminal, druggie, motorcyclist, gangster, prison, ex con, alcoholic, neck tattoos, 99 problems...) and act normal.

Furthermore, "good looking" can be subdivided into two groups: face (with hair) and height (with muscles & bf%).

Once women get old and ugly they focus more on money than anything else.

That is almost all of the layers.

The point of my post was to show that in general, men with looks develop game too. I never meant that this applies to all good looking men 100% of the time.

Women want the best looking and worst acting men they can find, but obviously if you act like a social retard it will hinder you even if you're in these groups.

The point is, game does exist, but is something mostly developed by good looking men (or badboys) only.

Success begets success; there are sexual haves and have nots.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nah, I was born tall and good looking, but had severe social anxiety and other problems from my childhood abuse, so even though I had plenty opportunity, I still fucked it up, because I didn't want any of it. I just wanted to be left the fuck alone, and now I'm slowly rebuilding myself to a well-rounded man, and while my success with women is pretty good any time I try, it's extremely emotionally taxing for me, and I still despise social situations with strangers.

Just saying it's not all about looks.

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That ties into looks though. If, due to anxiety, you have you head low and bad posture, that ties in to looks. Change yourself to look absurdly confident and that improves your looks whether you have natural good looks or not. No one taught me how to walk or stand up properly and I only figured it out at age 18 I think.

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, this sub sometimes implies that if you are ugly as fuck but get huge arms/pecs, you will get any girl if you act like you will drop her at any time and don't give a fuck. There's truth to this but it's a bit of an exaggeration. I'm the leanest guy in the gym, I'm finding it mega difficult to gain muscle mass, but I get loads of female attention and do well (since redpilling) because my face and voice are attractive. However your 'Be good looking and act normal' isn't good enough if you are going for 8.5s and up. You need redpill knowledge, unless you are a rare natural (who still also make mistakes). It's evolution we are all searching for the best genes we can get. And also, 9.5 girls will fuck anyone who is very high networth, ugly as sin or no.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I was born tall and good looking. I would say a good 7 without being in shape. Before learning PUA I couldn't get a girl for shit. PUA taught me how to work girls. This post is mostly PUA btw. Then I learned TRP past my 30s, and now I don't have to work for girls: they come to me because I act alpha.

Still, I was more attractive 10 years ago and I couldn't pull. Also, my brother who has learned nothing (no PUA, no TRP) is wayyy more good looking than me and he doesn't pull as much.

Women don't value looks as much as we do. They value energy and control.

[–]dj10show 0 points1 point  (1 child)

His point is that without you being tall and good looking, PUA wouldn't have gotten you fuck all.

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen ugly as sin fuckers pull well because of their crafted game.

[–]zephyrprime 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Pretty good general overview of a very important topic. I would contend that you have to connect emotionally before intellectually though. If you connect intellectually first, you're throwing up a whole bunch of barriers for yourself and you're getting yourself categorized as asexual in the woman's mind.

Also, if you're in a loud club or bar, you cannot afford to take your time. Being unrushed is a preferred method only for social circle game.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very valid points that I didn't think of. I hope you get upvoted because it's useful.

[–]donaldcicc 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Living in Shanghai this is even more important. Women will bed you the first night, but unless she is a party girl slut you need to seduce her, make her feel comfortable. All while slowly increasing the sexual tension. I am happy to go several dates before I take a lass to bed. One because the tension can really build up, and two I already have two regular girls, a fun fuck buddy and my girlfriend. If a lass wants to be a part of the team she needs to be worth my effort.

[–]Izzenw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine that a girl is just like a tight asshole. Chad will be tearing it in a single stroke, hurting her in the right way.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All this is def true but don't use this a crutch to not close. Good girls will spread them like an eagle within a night or a few days for the right guy.

[–]Chinny4daWinny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this post. I was getting frustrated that I wasn't progressing through girls as fast as some of my friends were. Now I'll make sure to enjoy the process and learn instead of going through the motions.

[–]CrackityDiggity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The flipside of all this is taking things too slowly means getting LJBF'd. It's important to escalate physically and expose yourself to the potential for rejection rather than shying away from it. Good post, but it's a balancing act. Avoid either extreme--too slow or too fast

[–]drqxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)


(Its nice to see this all laid out)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Last Halloween I broke into this HB7's social circle.. I made her laugh then I tried to number close immediately. Got shut down. This post makes a lot of sense, this post here.

[–]RacialRealism 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good post. I think another thing that helps me is to think of every women as an opportunity even after opening. You shouldn't lock yourself into an outcome - maybe you get stuck at the physical barrier, you can still use this girl as social proof to get another girl who will fuck you.

Maybe the girl doesn't want to fuck that particular day (life events, ovulation cycle etc). Grab her number, or maybe you will see her another day and try again.

Most of the hottest chicks I've been with I didn't sleep with on the first meeting, only the second time I bumped into them.

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Wow. I saw this post a while back and kept overlooking it.

Finally read it now. This is sidebar quality shit.

[–]TRPShill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a really, really good post

[–]Mitchelhc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some great Dating Tips from Godforbid.

[–]grachuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did anyone else start by cringing, then having fun? I can't get past the cringe part when talking to girls.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep thinking of the story about the bulls in the movie "Colors."

[–]cynicalsimon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is too much work. this is why I don't engage

[–]cynicalsimon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is too much work. this is why I don't engage

[–]idontwanttostart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck. That's a lot to write about common social interaction.

[–]ItchyIrishBalls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You water the plant, and then you fuck the plant.

[–]EmDeeEx14 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

This is important, especially for you new cats. I've noticed a trend of field reports in which the poster closes the deal pretty quickly,

You have to understand most of the time these guys are either 1. pretty good looking, 6 foot plus, white, tan ect (chad) 2. Red pill vets

...realize that taking your time in most cases (especially with a beginner, because yes, you will fuck up) Will help you to learn more, about yourself, and women as well. Take the time to learn the signs. Sometimes it helps to mentally stereotype the girl (what does she look like? How is she acting? Is she receptive when I say this? Is she receptive at all?) And then keep that memorized when you encounter similar personalities.

Remember, everyone wants to finish first, but rome was not built in a day, or week, or year.

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you need to apply a reasonable bit of pressure though. If you haven't fucked a girl within the first 9 days of her expressing interest, you're very very probably finished with her.

[–]Graizur -1 points0 points  (9 children)

What a trap pick up art is for men seeking companionship in a sexual relationship with a women. Can't you imagine what it will be like when every single one of her actions is predetermined by an action you've taken minutes earlier? It felt like puppetry to me and did not feel like company. If you do all the right things in a row and keep going and going eventually you'll think you've earned the right to show your true self, without pre-planned moves and what happens then, do you really think a woman who got sexually attracted to you from calculated moves is going to be attracted to I calculated moves, or better yet, you really think a puppet is going to be happy being abandoned by its puppeteer?

Don't fall into this trap. It's a whole new kind of lonely to be in a room with a manipulated thot.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Yeah, don't go PUA. Go TRP. Don't learn techniques, build yourself as a man.

If you've built yourself into somebody awesome, the woman can relate to you in all these various ways. This is why I insist on the ENJOY part. If you are a complete man, emotional, social, physical, intelectual interactions are all enjoyable. No need to follow a script.

[–]slay_it_forward 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Outer game still has it's merits. Knowing and understanding what women reapond to is part of being a good seducer and building yourself into a better man.

I don't understand all this 'fuck PUA' on here. This sub exists because of PUA and all the game stuff guys talk about on here came from PUA.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. It's like the "just be yourself" bullshit mantra has somehow been smuggled in to the one place that was specifically designed to expose it as bullshit.

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

PUA is 20x more script based than redpill advice is. Yes there's crossover but pua is tryhard stuff.

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody uses scripts in PUA anymore man. It's not 2005. Outer game (PUA) is about knowing what women respond to and shaping your behavior around that. Being cocky, dominant, light-hearted, not taking things seriously, teasing, challenging, not supplicating, etc etc. None of that is script based. It's situational.

But no, "fuck PUA, it's all gimmicky lines". If you choose to ignore putting that tool in your tool belt, your loss. But I guarantee you already use game (PUA) stuff you read about at the same time hating on it.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Totally disagree. You can be awesome and a great man and alpha as fuck but still suck with women if you don't know any game. Being stoical and unaffected which TRP preaches is itself just a game because it's not real. The reality is that everyone is a vulnerable sack of decaying organic matter.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I can't really tell if I'm honest. I did learn PUA, and now after TRP it all seems.. natural. But maybe it wouldn't go so smooth if I hadn't learned PUA first.

Also, I know at least one alpha who has no clue what he is doing (think a happy puppy) and all the girls love him and fuck him.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's called a natural. Nothing new there. Most guys that are good with women don't know why they are good with women. I knew an alpha manly man who had fought through a war and he needed help with women and was at my boot camp.

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