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Red Pill ExampleWomen are 3/4 of Muslim converts in the west because they want a Muslim man & are "re-embracing... rigid gender demarcation", at an increasing rate (self.TheRedPill)

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A reminder of something that should surprise no one but the feminists; the large majority of conversions to Islam in the west are women in order to be with a Muslim man & because they want "rigid" gender roles, and the rate of such conversion is increasing. Christian & secular European men appear to have failed a rather massive shit test.

"In the past 10 years some 100,000 British people have converted to Islam, of whom some three-quarters are women, according to the latest statistics. This is a significant increase on the 60,000 Britons in the previous decade... the average age of conversion is 27... 'research also found converts came in two types: some are converts of convenience, who adopt the religion because of a life situation such as meeting a Muslim man, although the religion has little discernible impact on their day-to-day lives. For others it is a conversion of conviction where they feel a calling and embrace the religion robustly. That's not to say the two are mutually exclusive – sometimes converts start out on their religious path through convenience and become converts of conviction later on.'

Another finding... was that despite Western portraits of Islam casting it as oppressive to women, a quarter of female converts were attracted to the religion precisely because of the status it affords them.

Some analysts have argued that dizzying social and cultural upheavals in Britain over the past decades have meant that far from adopting an alien way of life, some female Muslim converts are re-embracing certain aspects of mid-20th-century Britain, such as rigid gender demarcation, rather than feeling expected to juggle career and family."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-islam-the-rise-and-rise-of-the-convert-6258015.html


[–]Zachar1a 135 points136 points  (3 children)

Christian & secular European men appear to have failed a rather massive shit test.

That shit test has a name: feminism.

[–]riverraider69 12 points13 points  (2 children)

This is a bit like looking for an excuse. Feminism couldn't and didn't by itself create such a huge fuck-up. Maybe the cultural current of which feminism is just a branch could be blamed for this, whatever you want to call it - cultural marxism or whatever. Science fucked up too, with sociology insisting for about 100 years that the brain is a blank slate at birth.

Or, like Roy Baumeister says, it's the natural process of women entering the institutions that men created, now that they're mature and risk-free.

But honestly we don't really know and may not know until historians figure it out in the next century. Making easy scapegoats out of fat feminists won't help TRP one bit.

[–]SecondHandPlan 77 points78 points  (11 children)

This is such a complicated issue, it seems hard to fathom that the most significant reason that western women convert to Islam is for "rigid gender roles." Even if this is the case, this article doesn't present the amount of scientific evidence that would be needed to argue for such a theory.

I'm not sure how to type this without sounding condescending, but please believe that I am not being condescending, and I am trying to contribute to the discussion.

That being said, have you heard of "confirmation bias?" If not, it's essentially when you already believe something, and then look for evidence to support that belief. Instead of looking at all the evidence and letting that lead you to conclusions, which is what we should do as intelligent human beings.

My overall point is that I agree with most of what I read in TRP, but some of the posts are prime examples of confirmation bias. (This post is somewhere more in the grey area, not a great example.)

As for OP's theory, we need to consider other plausible explanations. For example, the changes in society that cause more people to lead single and isolated lives could leave people feeling empty and needing to fill a void, so they join a religion or cult. Perhaps there is some other factor that attracts women over men. This is one alternative and not necessarily mutually exclusive explanation for OPs theory.

So to come to any real conclusion, we would need to come up with all the alternative plausible explanations, not just the one in this post. Then we would need to investigate them sociologically and look for evidence in favor of any one or multiple theories.

Some people have posted that they have "seen it first hand." One single case does not prove a theory. This is exactly the mistake people make when they think vaccinating their children caused Autism. Individual stories to not constitute proof. When we look at the overall double-blind studies on Autism, we find that a correlation doesn't even exist with vaccination. We were deceived about vaccines because we listened to individual stories over the larger body of evidence. We need to look at the overall evidence. We need to look at the best studies we can find.

My point is that yes, we know from experience that many women behave in a certain way. We know that most of the time a certain type of behavior (Alpha) is attractive to women, as well as other people. Let's not let this knowledge cause us jump to erroneous conclusions without proper evidence. Op's theory might in fact be correct, but a short article in the Independent and a bunch of agreement from redditors does not constitute scientific proof (or sociological) of OPs theory.

We should also be critical of other posts like this in this subreddit.

[–]derper-man 13 points13 points [recovered]

I think I remember reading somewhere that women are more likely to be a member of any religion whatever it is. This statistic probably has a lot less to do with women wanting to be Muslims as it does with women tending towards religion of any kind more than men.

[–]2Overkillengine 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Premade social cliques that afford de facto status just for being a member.

Not surprising.

[–]champagne__supernova 10 points10 points [recovered]

As someone who knows a lot of kids with one parent being muslim and the other one not - the muslim parent is always the man. I don't think the reason is that women are "re-embracing rigid gender demarcation", but rather that:

  1. Most of the muslim immigrants are male, and thus there are more western* women with muslim men than the other way around

  2. Even if there was parity between muslim men and women in the west, there's no stigma for muslim men marrying western women, as there is the other way around.

**Simply used western here to mean someone in the West who is not a muslim.

[–]ExtremeModePickUp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's because Muslim women cannot marry non muslims, but Muslim men can marry anyone that follows an Abrahamic religion.

[–][deleted] 86 points87 points  (76 children)

Seen it firsthand. A friend's older sister married an East African Muslim, converting in the process. The joke is that she is more devout than he is.

Reason? Structure. Dad was never around, and this filled a void.

AWALT, but it can go in a different direction than you might expect.

[–]MyReddit4 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Funny, it's like feminism and multiculturalism created the perfect void for an under-the-radar Islamic take over.

Hell, ISIS even says it themselves - they come to EU countries, whine until the government builds their mosques, and brag about how they're going to breed with our women.

(Reminds me of a Family Guy quote...)

Anyway, while here at TRP we understand that women CRAVE dominance, I imagine this void has exasperated that desire. Too bad they'll come to realize they've been "dominated" by bitter betas, have fun when divorce or cheating = stoning to death.

Have fun still wondering where all the good men are!

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's like feminism and multiculturalism created the perfect void for an under-the-radar Islamic take over.

And none of those things are casual, they have been meticolously planned decades ahead by people like Soros & Co

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (72 children)

Like, a Somali? The average IQ of a Somalis is 68. That's terrifying. Here's some more info from the NYT

[–]bluedrygrass 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Also it should be kept in mind that iq measuring tests have been changed for years to help third world countries and females. And the results are still rejected by leftists.

[–]fakenate1 4 points5 points  (6 children)

How is that even possible? The average iq is 100 by definition. That's how iq is defined. 100 is the point where 50% of people have less iq than you and 50% of people have more.

There are too many countries with lots of people with sub 100 iq and too few countries with higher than 100 iq to make the world average 100.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

The IQ "standard" is based on American/Westerners' IQ levels.

If that doesn't suffice, I'll put it this way: We're comparing 1993 Honda Civics to Shelby GT500's.

[–]ISBUchild 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The distribution of IQ is calibrated to a reference population of, generally, white adults in developed countries. It doesn't really matter since it's a unitless measure, and we only care about relative distance on the index.

[–]fakenate1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That then makes sense iqs can be so different.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The same way the average height is 5'10 in the Usa, but some inches shorter in entire countries like the whole China or Mexico.

[–]shaquil_bhenker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought height was just a social construct... Isn't it racist to say that Americans are 'taller' than Chinese people? We are all equal.

[–]acpower7 4 points4 points [recovered]

Like, a Somali? The average IQ of a Somalis is 68. That's terrifying. Here's some more info from the NYT

This is simply a lie, or at best a misrepresentation of the facts.

The link you provided cites studies that show Somali children who are on the autism spectrum are significantly overrepresented in Minneapolis when compared to other children. The studies of the IQ test were done in cities where the autism rates of these children have baffled even health officials and scientists for years, and no one really knows why. I saw this first hand when I visited Minneapolis in 2009 and found that every family I visited had at least one autistic child, it was just shocking. Many suspect, and I personally believe, it is the vaccines causing autism. That or the cold weather/environment. There wasn't even a word for autism in the Somali language before Somali's came to NA in large numbers, and autism is very rare in Somalia. Children over there just don't all of a sudden turn retarded once they are 5+ years old, it is almost unheard of.

My point is the IQ test numbers are being brought down by the ridiculous high number of autistic children in those cities, and I don't think that is a fair representation. Just completely laughable how someone can declare the average IQ of an entire nation of people, just from reading an article that cites a study he doesn't even understand.

An IQ of 68 is clinically retarded. I would have forgiven you if you based that off strictly from the state of our country, but unfortunately the article you mentioned doesn't make the same claims that you have.

[–]1james-watson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Many suspect, and I personally believe, it is the vaccines causing autism.

On a sub called redpill...unfuckingbelievable.

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[–]VirgoRooster 59 points59 points [recovered]

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (5 children)

Damn, never though I would have agreed with Osama Bin Laden.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Apparently he had a sense of laconic humor as well.

"If it's freedom we hate, then why didn't we attack Sweden, for example?"

I mean, the guy has a point.

[–]Fafner2 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The man had fucked up agendas, but no one can deny that he was pretty great at what he did.

[–]Kingoffistycuffs 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Same with hitler, guy was a brilliant public speaker. Didn't like Jews that much.

[–]Clackaroo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Well, Hitler saw what the Jews did during and after the Great War.

[–]wasimlhr 40 points41 points  (5 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]Echelon64 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Most of my college female friends ended up marrying men who were settled and doing good vs the guys they were with for years who were just starting to get in their feet.

My experience as well. I always wondered why women my age were doing well while I was struggling until I saw the men they married and it clicked.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

If you put the work in, one day will come where you will be doing well while the women your age will be struggling.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Plays Rick Ross

BITCH YOU WASN'T WITH ME SHOOTING IN THE GYM!

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or not. The wall hits incredibly soft for most women, and the haster is the sweetest medicine to anything in life.

[–]Moridakkuboka 90 points90 points [recovered]

Women don't know race or nation, they're chattel with ingrained stockholm syndrome.

They would jump over to the stronger side in the blink of an eye, just read about the invasion of France by Germany during WW2. The french women literally threw themselves at the German soldiers.

[–]through_a_ways 12 points13 points  (4 children)

There were also quite a few German women throwing themselves at American men, when the Germs were losing.

They actually have a name for a generation of mulatto babies born to the black American soldiers. There's even a movie about one such kid growing up in Nazi Germany, he didn't get sent to a concentration camp for whatever reason.

[–]Moridakkuboka 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Yeup, and then when the Americans arrived in France the women fucked them.

These hoes ain't ever been loyal.

[–]mugatucrazypills 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The brit ladies were already climbing on top of the americans in ww2 before they crossed the channel when they saw they GI pay packet was higher, hoes know no nation.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They actually have a name for a generation of mulatto babies born to the black American soldiers.

"Brown Babies"?

There's even a movie about one such kid growing up in Nazi Germany, he didn't get sent to a concentration camp for whatever reason.

That guy? He's a bad example because he was born before the Nazis took power and his father wasn't American, but upper-class Liberian.

His book describes the discrimination and harassment he encountered, but I was actually surprised that it was far less than I would have expected. Then again, as a pretty unique occurence he simply wasn't worth the attention, and that he lived in Hamburg which has a strong liberal tradition (that didn't get erased over night when the Nazis took over) probably didn't hurt either. But, to quote Sarah Silverman: "And now I feel preachy, but I really believe this to be true: I believe that if black people were in Germany during World War Two, that the Holocaust would have never happened. I do. Or, not to Jews."

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Shit if America wants more dudes to join the armed forces, they need to start invading countries with hotter women.

"Men, tomorrow we are parachuting into Iceland. We expect armed resistance to be mild and LMR to be non existent."

[–]tio1w 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Icelandic women are not pretty.

You're thinking Sweden or Denmark.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 18 points19 points  (1 child)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah thats what I was thinking.

How could Iceland, a country peopled solely by vikings and the prettiest girls they stole from all over not be full of knockout drop dead gorgeous girls?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (13 children)

Also read about what happened between American women and German POWs in the US during WW2.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 65 points66 points  (0 children)

History is literally filled with these stories. They often get rewritten as "the enemy came and 'took' our women", but that's most often not really how it went down. A powerful force rolls in to town, and guess who lines up to get fucked by it?

AWALT, even when it seems absurdly inappropriate.

[–]through_a_ways 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Elaborate? POWs are in a humiliated state, I wouldn't expect that to work to their advantage usually.

[–]Tman5691 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Not enough guards for German POWs, Germans ended up policing themselves to and from work details. American women come to get a slice of that sweet aryan pie.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

American women come to get a slice of that sweet aryan pie

Ha! Being one myself, let me assure that the average German isn't that much more likely to be blond and blue-eyed than the average WASP (well, maybe in North Germany, but certainly not in the more southern regions).

[–]krudam 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Eh, being foreign is aphrodisiac.

[–]fullhalf 2 points3 points  (2 children)

can you provide source on this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not the sexiest, but read the last few lines of this paragraph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_United_States#Camp_life

[–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even more interesting considering german was one of the main ethnicity that makes up white americans, so many of those women were dicthing bad luck germans for good luck ones.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I expect thats how neanderthal genes got into European lines as well.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I saw a documentary about Japan after WWII. Many Japanese girls throw themselves at American Soldiers. One of said women experienced the firebombing of Tokyo and I don't remember the details either her whole family died or something to the extent that she saw her neighborhood get burned to the ground and people die in flames.

[–]TheReformist94 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Its disgusting.shame on those whores.what percentage of women did this? No point being loyal to the most disloyal backstabbing species of the earth

[–]5hogun 35 points36 points  (6 children)

It's biology. No more sickening than you wanting to bury it in a 17 yr. old when you're 50.

Throughout human history, women (w/ children to worry about) have constantly had to face the consequences of their men and homes being conquered in war. Committing suicide in such an event—although a valid option—contradicts our core survival instincts.

Let the indignation go — serves little purpose.

[–]RP-on-AF1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's seems women have historically been spoils os war. Ovaries are a tribe's most valuable commodity.

[–]Traz_Onmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Committing suicide in such an event—although a valid option—contradicts our core survival instincts.

Many women in history apparently have done just that, or they wouldn't have evolved the way they are now.

[–]TheReformist94 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Then this sub cannot judge men for cheating on their LTRs or other behaviour by men that is considered questionable. I'm fed up of biology and sexual amorality being used to let women get away with the shit they do whilst us men pick up the pieces,yet when men cheat,we are told its sinking to their level.what about my biology? I'm meant to resist the temptation to spread my seed and encourage reproduction as much as i can within the women of my tribe only to get the war bride treatment shud we get invaded? Fuck that shit

[–]DexterousRichard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This sub does not judge men for cheating, and it should not.

There are men here who acknowledge that stable relationships are important for society, and wish to return to a more healthy society. But that doesn't mean we are there today.

And it doesn't mean that women somehow deserve to have their men not cheat on them. That's an individual relationship issue, but all men should be aware that the most dedicated woman will fuck someone else if they think you've become a loser or someone else has conquered you. That is why TRP acknowledges that one must not become beta if one is to maintain an Ltr.

[–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (1 child)

True that. It's a trp double standard, particularly stricking considering it's basically white knighting. Women are biologically justified and unjudgeable in case of infidelty? Then i totally am, too.

[–]erbalot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm intrigued by the development of TRP as a philosophy and the results of your line of thinking seems fun to pursue.

Just to be clear I think the red pill line would be that women are like children. They don't take responsibility and you shouldn't expect them to, but men do.

Now, by asserting if:

Women are biologically justified and unjudgeable in case of infidelty? Then i totally am, too.

You're either saying: I should be stripped of my responsibility in the eyes of TRP and not judged, as a woman would be. Or nobody should be responsible for heedlessly following their biological drive. This leads to no responsibility for anyone and that is a weak position for TRP to be in. Or you could just man up and take responsibility.

[–]phoenix_reborn84 13 points13 points [recovered]

This is happening at a rapid pace in countries like India as well.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (25 children)

Indian here can conform, Islam was 4% in 1947 now its 15%+ in 2050

[–]phoenix_reborn84 9 points9 points [recovered]

Has a lot to do with the disease of liberalism in general. It basically places Islam on a pedestal while criticizing every other faith and movement.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You are right 2 years ago a muslim leader in India said "withdrew police and we will kill all Hindus in 15 mins"

Multiculturalism is shit !

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy is a perfect example of "be careful what you wish for".

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How did that happen? Too many aborted girls which stymied the population growth of the Hindus? Serious question because that's the only thing I can think of right now, considering that Indians in general aren't exactly known for having significantly smaller families than Muslims, unlike Europeans.

[–]shaquil_bhenker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Every religion in India gets slandered constantly in the Indian press for being "superstitions" and "ignorance" and everyone is constantly hounded to be tolerant of the "religion of peace". It's kind of similar to how Christianity is publicly slandered in the west and everyone is taught to be tolerant of Islam. Also, Islam has traditionally been a way out for low caste Hindus, since low caste Hindus are were considered untouchable pariahs, and a religion without caste separation is appealing for obvious reasons (similar to how Christianity was appealing to slaves in the Roman empire). Add to that high birthrates among Muslims and you've got systemic weaknesses that makes for an easy Islamic takeover.

[–]Johnny_Tempest 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wasn't the whole reason for the creation of Pakistan as a place for the islamists?

[–]redpilltaste 10 points11 points  (2 children)

This is close to home. My three sisters have all done this. Sure enough all marriages are strong and balanced, well more than any of my cohort.

[–]darkrood 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Are they married to "Moderate Muslims"?

[–]redpilltaste 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Two of the husbands are the "Tribe comes first" Muslims. They are from North Iraq. Very moderate and concerned with the basics of life. The other is from Egypt and certainly not moderate. The scary part for me is how I don't disagree with my Egyptian brother-in-law explanation of the decline of the west. He laughs about how money became the Western world's god, weakening us and now all the propaganda on tv is concerned with breaking down the family unit. He finds this funny because he believes this leads to the direct downfall of christian society because no one will fight for anything when the Muslims come to take it. I served overseas in a few wars, some big and some small and was a patriot. Now I see a lot of young lads here saying "enjoy the decline" and can't bring myself to dislike them for saying it because I can't blame them.

I am not selling anything to anyone here when I say that the marriages are all very well run. I have many little half-breed nephews who are actually very cool and fun to be around. They are very young but redpill as fuck.

[–]NiceTryDisaster 129 points130 points  (26 children)

I am not too impressed with this post.

  1. Isnt Britain filled with shitloads of Muslims?

  2. Britain is over 60 million in population. 100k over 10 years sounds like a very very small number and nothing out of normal.

  3. What do the number of Islam converts in America, Canada, Australia or Netherlands look like?

  4. What are your statistics on women converting to religions besides Islam like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism?

  5. How many of women have/are turning to agnostism/atheism in the past 10 years?

I am not for or against your conclusions, but I'd like to see a stronger argument. Although I am somewhat of an atheist, I see there are a few overlaps in the concepts of TRP and traditional religion. So I am actually leaning more towards the support of your idea. But like I said, you can't derive conclusions from one study without taking into consideration other factors.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (13 children)

I think the point is why would even one British non-muslim convert to Islam? Just becaause we have a shit ton of them, that doesn't explain conversions... they're already muslim...

Outside crazies, lefties, and broken women seeking structure (ahh, but I repeat myself), who would convert? Even one conversion is enough to raise the eyebrows.

[–]slay_it_forward 40 points41 points  (12 children)

  1. British men are not going to be marrying muslim women and converting to their religion. That would be the most supplicating beta shit ever, even for a beta.

  2. British women that fall in love with muslim men (fatties) will convert to islam to allow for marriage whether or not they are a passionate believer of said religion.

Hence the 3/4 statistic.

[–]sheepher 19 points20 points  (1 child)

in islam a man can marry a beleiver (christian ,jew ,muslim ), a woman can only marry a muslim man.

[–]sonofquetzalcoatl 6 points7 points  (0 children)

supplicating beta shit ever, even for a beta

Ironically they would have more power in islam. Don't belive in Alah use Alah for your purposes

[–]scamper_22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Yes they do. Even if they don't 'actually convert', they will fake convert and if the girl has good ties with her family, it will be Muslim environment. Yes, they are the most supplicating beta shit ever. Throw in the victimhood of poor Muslim girl trapped by her family... and guys do doit.

But you will see less British men convert to Islam than British woman outside the marriage angle.

[–]Elim101 4 points5 points  (7 children)

British men are not going to be marrying muslim women and converting to their religion.

I have seen American men do exactly this.

British women that fall in love with muslim men (fatties) will convert to islam to allow for marriage

Actually, they don't have to. It works the other way around in Islam; Muslim men can marry non-Muslim women, but not the other way around. Makes sense when you consider that the man is supposed to be the leader of the family.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Makes sense when you consider that the man is supposed to be the leader of the family.

Sure but this this is how we Muslims generally explain it:

Islam says that the (Muslim)Man has to allow his Christian or Jewish wife to fully practice her religion.

Logically Christianity nor Judaism would give this freedom to the Muslim woman since those religions came before Islam.

[–]Toverspreuk 12 points12 points [recovered]

The immigrant rate to the Netherlands for it's size is fucking insane.

[–]HoScience 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Again, a statement without even looking in to why it happened. The Netherlands imported a ton of worker class (which means mostly dumber) foreign workers in the 60's to rebuild the country. Europe sure loves to play captain hindsight.

[–]RedDreadnought 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's about 2.8 million Muslims in the UK, the reason you see so much of them is because they're in many of the major cities (London, Manchester etc.)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would think far more women are born of Muslim parents who completely drop the religion than British women who become Muslims.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Isnt Britain filled with shitloads of Muslims?

4.5 % 1

What are your statistics on women converting to religions besides Islam like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism?

Good question, don't know. But only 77% stay muslim between generations 2 , so that's a 23% loss each year. More than enough to offset the 10k women who convert to muslim each year.

How many of women have/are turning to agnostism/atheism in the past 10 years?

Not enough! :)

ref 1

ref 2

[–]phoenix_reborn84 7 points7 points [recovered]

4.5

10% of all births are to Muslims in Britain

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And the immigration is still going on

[–]uxl 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"Christian and secular European men seem to have failed a rather massive shit test"

Slow clap.

That line is golden truth.

And honestly, I think it endangers us all, since these women will be banged by people who refuse contraception; that's a lot of ignorant extremism repopulating...

...all because our culture allowed itself to be castrated.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 161 points162 points  (162 children)

The Replacement is the most serious problem Europe has seen since WWII.

The massive influx of Muslims at the same time the Europeans are being brainwashed by the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination techniques means that there is major weakness.

As shown with this terror attack today this doesn't end well... there will be blood before this is over.

Women are lost now, the Blue Pill Western emotional indoctrination has created nothing but confusion.

Islam is traditional... so I'm not criticizing it... but I'm saying the West must accept the Red Pill and fight to keep foreign people out or die out.

This is a slow genocide.

Europeans are only 10%-15% of the world population... that's near extinction.

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[–]bearslikeham 111 points111 points [recovered]

I probably get downvote and hated but I want to point out why muslim immigration is such an incredible deadly threat to Europe and its indigenous people (from my experience). There is this patological narcissim within muslim cultures in which they believe their religion, beliefs and ideas are by far superior to you. It wouldn't be a problem if it was like some rich folk that believes he is better than you and it stops there, but the reality is that this "narcicisim" is of the kind that believes you are an inferior life form that do not deserve to live.

Muslism have dragged "the cultural narcicism" from Africa and Asia to Europe. Living in another continent they now have a single pretty clear enemy. An enemy who looks extremely different to what they recognice as muslim, that have a wrong, devious and sick culture and adore a fake god: the european. European muslims were raised by this parents and adding the fact that integration being so different (plus some indigenoius european racism) is really difficult, they end up feeling like a outcasts. This is the reason you see non-whites (especially in guettos) putting north african flags in their buildings and insulting and despising everything french.

So now you have a big group of people that considers you the enemy, that want to change your countries and are receiving mind-like individuals by the hundreds every day. Add to that goverment protection and welfare, different reproduction rates (I saw a pattern of having 1-2 children among europeans IF they have children and 4+ children among muslims in my european journeys) and massive support from the left, and you end up with a perfect coctel of population replacement.

EDIT: I have traveled to 9 arab countries (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Qatar, Saudi arabia, UAE and Tunisia) in a span of 6 years (11 months spent on those countries). My comment is based on the experiences with these cultures and people from muslim areas of Paris, Berlin, London, Oslo, Stocholm and Malmo. I'm from a thirld world shithole and my first language is spanish, I said this because I was called an american islamophobic by two users in PMs.

[–]commanderchobo 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Lmao I love when stupid fucks use the word islamaphobia. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. Like spiders or outside. There's nothing irrational about being wary or recognising the ideological and breeding war they are waging on everyone. Its like when ignorant fucks call people racist regarding a religion. You can't be racist towards a religion only a people. Anyway I thought we had more intelligent people on this sub but its like any other place the more people it attracts The more idiots we get

[–]1DRMMR76 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They got their foot in the door with "homophobia". The leftists tried that one out on the general public just to see if they could get away with it. When the public swallowed it up and joined in instead of correctly calling them out for misusing a medical term for political and pejorative purposes, that was all the green light they needed to start doing the same thing with other groups of people. Now to a modern leftist, anytime you disagree with something or aren't actively celebrating it, you can be called a ____phobe, which puts the stigma on you for questioning them.

[–]zigg-_-zagg 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There is this patological narcissim within muslim cultures in which they believe their religion, beliefs and ideas are by far superior to you

That's of the reasons I am an atheist & an ex-muslim. Muslims have their heads up their ass thinking they are the chosen ones.

[–]MyReddit4 18 points19 points  (7 children)

It's all done on purpose through infiltration. Leftist thought, BS white-guilt that's so popular with college liberals who've never worked a day in their lives, and feminism have created a perfect storm.

I have to wonder: which came first? The Muslims coming to Europe wanting a free ride through the welfare park - or leftist elites realizing this would be a great way to off their own culture after years of self-hatred?

Very simple - no one in Europe wants to be seen as racist. Especially Germans. They think they're living under a shadow of the Holocaust. Immigrants arrive - hooray! Diversity! (Sidenote: I love the hypocrisy that it's expected that whites have the more malleable culture and are expected to make social concessions, while the can't be said for others.)

Did you see how Germans greeted Syrians with flags, balloons, food and blankets? Only to have the illegal immigrants toss that stuff in the trash claiming it wasn't halal or what they wanted. I've also never seen more refugees and "victims" of war with iPhones & Northface jackets...

Anyway, it's ISIS plan to outbreed Europe. They need more territory & now they have a caliphate, are seen as the legitimate bringers of the apocalypse to extreme Muslims. Convert to their brand of creed or be executed. Unless your Christian - then you can have your family raped, pay a tax (jizya) and become a slave.

Their cultural narcissism has brought NOTHING good into the world. France's narcissistic heyday - brought some of the most gifted artists, musicians, writers, dancers, etc of HUMAN HISTORY to Paris.

It's disgusting to sign on Facebook and see posts of people stating "Take off the French Flag banner - it's a symbol of Nationalist Pride and offensive and shows ignorance of the attackers feelings. Tradgey is everywhere, how can any nation or person be better than another?"

Guarantee you the combatants have no qualms about waving their flag.

[–]soupit 4 points4 points [recovered]

I agree with your sentiment a lot and it pisses me off. I don't share my views with my peers at college (American) because theyd reject me. That's sad to me because I always thought college would be a place to nurture your own thoughts (even "radical" ones) but given the headlines coming out of American campuses lately apparently only Fascism is the accepted radical view to be nurtured there.

I have a question to pose to you though, of a rebuttal to what you've written here, that admittedly stumped me in conversation with family:

The immigrants flooding Europe and America claiming welfare is fair, given the recent history (as far as history goes) of the West (i.e. white people) colonizing and exploiting the other people of the world. After we exploited them and left them out to dry, they're only coming to "our lands" now as a sort of retribution.

My answer would be that those were different times, so yes indigenous and local people's were exploited to a very large extent, but "we" also offered modernisation, civilization, and education to these people's which they ultimately rejected. Black people in apartheid South Africa had the highest standard of living of all other Black people in Africa during the apartheid government. India had an expansive rail system implemented that the modern day country still greatly benefits from, along with a host of prestigious colleges some of which even specifically catered to local Indians (this was part of the greater plan to actually educate anf elevate the masses).

I understand the right of a people's to govern themselves, so I don't blame them for kicking the Europeans out. But it's not fair to reject what we brought to them and offered them as civilization, and then to come to our land seeking to exploit us. Many of these people want to bring down our system and implement Sharia law anyway so I'm realize it's not just welfare seekers but actual Islamic the reformists with global domination in mind that are "invading" white countries.

[–]bluedrygrass 10 points11 points  (1 child)

colonizing and exploiting the other people of the world. After we exploited them and left them out to dry

That's just another piece of lefty propaganda.

White colonization wasn't even remotely as heavy as it is whined to be. The colonized nations produced little before white colonization, something during, and returned to produce little to nothing as soon as whites left.

Old Africans nostalgic about the French colonization are a real thing. Why? Because whites brought order in the chaos, built schools, waterways, roads, hospitals, churchs. They remember they lived better under colonization than outside it.

And i'm not even remotely justifying it, i think it was a shitty thing to do, even tough it's always been like that in history and the colonized nations were colonizers of other colonizers.

Anyway it wasn't as bad as it's made to be, and it definitely wasn't the cause those countries are shitholes now.

To give you some comparison, Germany was levelled to the ground after the war. They had nothing, and lived in a cold ass place. Well they rebuilt everything and became once again one of the best nations in the world. From scrap, and with HUGE monetary penalties, to the top, in few generations. All by themselves.

While Africa is still at the stone age in most places. Abd they can grow and harvest 4 rounds of cereals in a year, while germany and the europeans countries are lucky if they can harvest one, weather allowing.

Africans are the cause of their bad.

[–]bassline7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]MyReddit4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good points - especially the India bit, since I live there.

I've always had a TRP view on imperialism/colonialism, etc - meaning that it's a reflection of human nature and is inherently amoral. Your tribe has shit our tribe needs, if we can take it, it's ours. We're just seeing these played out on a massive scale with stupid laws and political views, instead of shields & sabers.

As such, I understand that it would suck to be born in Jordan, but I just don't care for the whole gobal-earth-humanity-as-one narrative. It sounds nice and peaceful, but has no basis in reality. Islam, for example, has fundamental views that make it incompatible with pluralism and secular thought. How often do you hear of Buddhists blowing up schools or theatres?

For all the imperial bullshit the West is given, let's not forget that Paris housed some of the greatest artists, writers, thinkers, and musicians in the history of mankind. These, like schools founded in Eastern countries, were a benefit to all.

Now, when it comes to multicultural pluralism, why is expected that white Westerners make cultural concessions? Only they can "understand" or gain from foreign cultures. What made America function so well was that it as a country not tied together by skin color or religion, but on the belief in individual rights. If you show up, and work, you have a shot at the Dream.

For decades Catholics make concessions regarding gay marriage, divorce, contraception. Yet, the Koran literally spells out how to properly execute a Jew, enslave and tax Christians, and properly kill gays in the way muhammed deems acceptable. Doesn't sound like a "book of peace"?

Now, the Old Testament had some dark episodes, but now it's understood that "hey - those were stories meant to illustrate virtue - not literal." Then Jesus comes along and goes all "let he who is without sin cast the first stone, turn the check, etc."

You see how feminists and gay activists get all worked up over a fat guy with a "God Hates Fags" poster - imagine the outrage if Jesus LITERALLY spelled out how to kill women and gay people? Imagine if those fat poster wielding losers were blowing up pride parades on the regular?

Christians would be in exile - yet, countless sharia concessions are made for middle easterners.

I have no problem with Muslims on an individual basis, and know and date many. But on a global scale, anyone with eyes can see there is a certain branch -that isn't exactly condemned - wreaking chaos across the world and killing the 20 year old Muslims I know who just want to sneak out, drink, and jerk off.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pure white hate. That's why, for example, hundreds of Greek childs are dying, but nobody in europe gives a flying fuck about them. Germans don't want them. They want the dark ones.

[–]FiveLions 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I agree completely. Not only is the Narcissism steeped in the religion, but it is also steeped in the culture, absent of religion. Meaning, in every day life infidels (us) are lesser human beings. That's why they never fail to teach their families how terrible western ideologies are, yet they live in our countries, and won't even go back to their own fucking shithole country for a month on holiday. This Narcissistic insecurity is what breeds hatred towards the west, such an awesome point that I failed to comment on with arguing with a bunch of liberals on a mega thread. Here's my post. Thought I'd share thx:

Let me preface this answer with I AM a liberal American. Appreciate the question. Indonesia is often used as a standard candle for the somewhat better read liberals on how Islam should behave. They are considered to be 'progressive', as far as Islamic countries go...So is egypt. Just to unpack this for you, Egypt is considered the shining star when it comes to progressive Islam. Yet, western women visiting the country will get molested, groped and even raped just for dressing western. To them, we are all infidels.

I'll circle back to Indonesia in a bit, but there was a recent poll in Egypt where 80% of Muslims believe that Apostasy is punishable by DEATH. Now, are all of them radical NO! But they are the embers that stoke the flames which breeds the smoke of what westerners call "Radical Islam." Quote from one of my personal heroes Sam Harris: "It is time we recognized--and obliged the Muslim world to recognize--that "Muslim extremism" is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world."

Indonesia: The reason I used Egypt as an example is they will kill you if you leave the religion (apostacy). Indonesia won't. No they won't, but they sure as hell will throw you in prison. Also, there are blasphemy laws where you could be prosecuted for speaking freely (guess which religion usually wins out when this happens?). Sharia law is huge in Indonesia..they hold to it at 54% http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ What is Sharia law? It's the same as the Wahabi's who run Saudi Arabia: Just read up here: Sharia Law Most of the 1.3 billion Muslims won't say it or do it...But you are an infidel, and if there were no consequences, they would kill you.

Edit: Also /u/justmadeitaaa I think this is a really good video that illustrates my point of view. I'm not mad or emotional, I just feel like Islam should be called out and I really am all alone on Reddit with Islam: https://youtu.be/sXAP1VWziwI

Also, just to give you a tidbit on what mainstream Sharia Law is: "According to the Sharia law: • Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above). • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death. • Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death. • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death. • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death. • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman • A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's. • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits. • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative. • Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal. • The list goes on

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I've lived and worked in a Muslim country for 3 years, and my experiences agree with what you've written.

I would say the ideology is supremacist rather than narcissist. Believers consider themselves better than you solely on the basis of their belief, even if they don't have a job, an education, a home, a lot of world travel, a yoked physique, musical ability they've developed, apps they've written, gadgets they've invented, etc.

Because of this, they are hugely resentful of the success you've busted your ass for. They know you don't deserve it, because their ideology tells them they are better people and more deserving of the good things in life.

I would also add that the ideology is extremely paternalistic, and largely based on negative reinforcement. Hence, anyone with "daddy" issues will be drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

Birth control is heavily frowned upon by anyone below the upper middle class, and abortion is verboten unless a woman can travel to another country. Producing the next generation of believers is considered a woman's chief duty in life.

[–]bearslikeham 3 points3 points [recovered]

Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately what you and I went through is a common experience for non-muslims in muslim countries. Where did you work?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm still in the North African Maghreb, widely considered to be one of the "moderate" parts of the Islamic world.

[–]2dfx 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Europe may be fucked.

But China? I think the Chinese have this one in the bag.

[–]shaquil_bhenker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Who knows. The tactics that have been used to take down the west have been honed for centuries. Don't think the Chinese are immune.

[–]apachemd 3 points4 points  (2 children)

[–]FiveLions 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm rooting for Mexicans! Great tasting food

[–]froggyfreshrap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The people who PMed you and called you an islamaphobic, should get their arses bombed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with that and for all US citizens that are here, I want you to know that your government has had a minorities policy since at least 40 years, that consists in funding "leaders" in Muslim communities to spread chaos in Europe, in especially in France.

If you don't believe me think about Hillary Clinton who publicly criticized France (Hijab prohibition) and Switzerland (public votation on Minarets) on their measure to limit the Islamic invasion.

And other point: Islam is an ugly religion for many reasons but don't take Muslims as scapegoat. Take the count and you will see that the majority of victims of Islam from the 20th century until today are Muslims.

You should search who has made any debate on Islam and Muslim immigration impossible, who allowed Saudi Arabia to fund website of Islamic fundamentalism, who refuse to speak about the university of Medina where all the head of Al Qaeda and ISIS come from, who keep funding Muslims terrorists in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Syria, Libya. Who wanted the chaos in Irak that allowed ISIS to appear and the Chaos in Sahara that allowed Boko Haram to Appear.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Women crave masculinity the way we crave fit and nubile women.

It's easy to forget in the whirlwind of Feminist bullshit circulating around nowadays that women actually don't interact with men very often.

Sure, they have a lot of gelded not-males in their lives. Many hot girls have a rotation of studly men around. But the study men worthy of the term know better then to commit to any female, which means at best modern women have perhaps a fleeting glimpse of masculinity in their lives.

A lot of girls grow up from kid to adulthood with ZERO masculine exposure at all. Her whole family's typicaly littered with Beta doormats. Spouse too, though thats a given considering the term. Workplace? Fugediboutit. Part of the reason so many older women go nuts sexually is because many of them go DECADES by that point without any actual males in their lives.

This condition is in male terms like being stationed in an isolated military base where there's no bangable women in hundreds of miles. Thanks to feminism, the average woman in some cases has a greater chance of winning the lottery then meeting a no-shit actual man, and not his socially and mentally castrated modern replacement.

As such IMO this is how Islam will take over the world by supplanting Western Civilization in the years to come. Women craving genuine male influence without resorting to dating felons will by necessity HAVE to enter Islam. This way she gets a real man who won't take her shit tests and has the social power to run the household as a leader-a task no woman I've met genuinely ever wanted even if society says she should.

Women want to be followers, and Islam allows them the chance to fullfill that in a socially constructive way. It also offers a chance to clean-sweep years of drinking, drugs and casual sex on the Cock Carousel. If the choice is marrying a spineless nematode Western Educated male she already out-earns anyways versus an Islamic dude who will beat her if she tests him , its no contest.*

As the females desert for Muslims , Western Males will face a choice. Either get married to some "traditional" ball buster who will clean you out in court before the ink is dry on the marriage license. Or you can convert, raise a family, and have a docile wife. For men driven to have kids and a family Islam is pretty much the only valid modern option, besides spinning a web of psychological lies and games(Married Redpill) to keep a Western Wife too distracted with her hamster to hit the Big Red Divorce Button.

Tl:DR- what is more appealing to all women then a movement codeified by the name "Surrender"?

*postscript: I do not in any way condone random or unjustified violence against women ,or men either for that matter. No one deserves to be abused. That being said, many women I've encountered have made it clear they won't consider a man to be a man unless they believe he's capable of hurting them. Further many women intentionally provoke domestic violence as an instinct they can't rationalize; they don't physically want to hurt a guy they like, but they instinctually need to know he'll put someone down if they get physical. Best way to test that is for her to assault or provoke her mate. Secondary to that, she can see said man assault someone else.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Western Males will face a choice. Either get married to some "traditional" ball buster who will clean you out in court before the ink is dry on the marriage license. Or you can convert, raise a family, and have a docile wife.

Not a fucking chance in hell.

[–]soultrain776 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I remember I read something about a year ago about some British woman, a 45 year old single mother, going to Syria to find a husband in ISIS. Getting there, the husband ISIS chose for her was a guy that had one leg missing. After taking a look at her husband she wanted to go back to England but they didn't let her so she ended up marrying the guy against her will hahaha. There was a good piece wrote about this, European women, usually 40-50 year old single mothers going to Syria to find husbands in ISIS. It was good stuff.

It's just proof to me that western men don't wanna put up with these type of women anymore. It's also proof why most people in Western Europe who are pro muslim immigration are women, they have a big dog in this fight, and that dog is called big brown arab dick. They want more muslim men living in their countries because western men can't stand them anymore they want more options.

[–]grewapair 28 points29 points  (7 children)

This is essentially the reason young male Muslims are so willing to die for their religious beliefs: their religion keeps them in power. Women are kept as second class citizens,and they need a man to exist. That gives the younger men insane amounts of power.

In the US, women have eliminated what little power men had over them. Yet the US continually tries to exert it's influence in their countries. Muslims are willing to die protecting their system from ours because it's literally all they have. Without it, they become slaves to women, like blue pill guys are.

[–]ChadThundercockII 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Try telling the average young Muslim to die for God. He will be scared shit less. You guys have the wrong ideas about Islamic states. Most guys in their 20s, in any given Islamic country, are distracted with porn, video games and movies to care for what's happening in the world, just like your youngsters.

[–]MyReddit4 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Exactly - but when ISIS comes knocking on their door, they won't hesitate to kill other Muslims. That's what they've been doing for years - warring within themselves and now bringing it back to Europe.

Most middle age Muslim guys I know sneak out and drink beer, want to smoke weed, and hate the sexual lock-down their parents try to put on them.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter what religion the offender is. Kill any bastard who is endangering your life. Yes, in th middle east guys still sneak to enjoy a beer or a cigarette. But it is not the same in North Africa. Same religion, different cultures.

[–]yaardi 26 points27 points  (9 children)

In the past 10 years some 100,000 British people have converted to Islam, of whom some three-quarters are women

So 10 thousand every year, which makes 7500 women who converted. That's 7500 women out of around 30 million (non-Muslim women in the UK), so 0.025%. Let's not panic how "our" women are being taken away.

[–]Kose2kose 1 point2 points  (1 child)

yea but we saw how just a handful of people can cause fuckin mayhem to hundreds and/or thousands. see paris and 9/11

[–]r1chten 22 points23 points  (13 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

let them convert, should be interesting watching the the clash of the cc riders and hardliners. should make for some entertainment.

[–]deaduponaviral 27 points28 points  (8 children)

All I can say is thank god we have a god damn ocean between us. I'd take Mexican illegals any day over that shit.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

And here I am (a Brit), thinking thank God we have a small channel of water between us and mainland Europe.

[–]r1chten 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Agreed but, we America, need to stop initiating foreign intervention policies. Qaddafi, Saddam, Mubarak ,etc should have never been removed from power. Now we have opened Pandora's box, created a power vacuum, and gave the global elitists of Europe an opportunity of a lifetime to rationalize mass migration.

We have the luxury of the Atlantic Ocean to shield us but Europe is paying/maneuvering (if you are an elitist) and once Europe theater settles Islam will have their sights on us via Canada and Latin America.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

An additional element: The question who compromises and who doesn't.

Because even if the girls aren't in it for the rigid gender roles or the religion, they might still convert simply because it's seen as a price they have to pay for getting their dreamboat. Compare that to the conversion dynamic between the (far rarer) Muslim women/(originally) non-Muslim guy-conversions - if conversion is part of that relationship dynamic (and with a devout Muslimah it usually is), it's the guy who converts in order to "win" his girlfriend.

This illustrates the fundamentally different atmosphere on both sides of the cultural divide: On the one hand you have Muslim men who have grown up in a culture that promotes machismo and male pride and who are willing to make demands and expects concessions, and western women who are so used to beta men that a hot blooded and headstrong guy probably seems like a breeze of fresh air to them, and therefore go along with them. On the other hand you have western beta guys who have grown up in a culture that promotes supplicating to women and fails at instilling a sense of self-worth into young men, and women who expect the man to compromise for her instead of the inverse (which shows where he stands on her priority list).

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[–]Gorech1ld 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Are you serious?

I've heard of white women going to african countries to fuck the black gigolos but this is something new to me.

I'm honestly not that surprised if it's true... The average Japanese man is likely not too interested in sex. And even IF he's interested, he's probably too busy with work.

But wow, if it's true, then that's really something. Women truly do know no loyalty. I'm sure if the japanese men were like the brutal samurai of the past, there'd be no flying to any sort of country for sex for the women.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You've caught my interest since I'm currently in North Africa.

This is like an extreme form of novelty chasing, or like a junkie looking for their next high. I guess I had Japanese women somewhat pedestalized.

[–]LegendaryContent 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Everyone needs to see this video https://youtu.be/44vzMNG2fZc

[–]scamper_22 18 points19 points  (2 children)

As someone who was raised Muslim, it is very appealing. Mainly for the belonging. Women get sisterhood. Men get brotherhood.

It's especially bad in the UK. Less to do with TRP, but just in general, the Western world stopped being proud of its culture. Kids in British schools aren't taught to be British. And so of course many seek identity in whatever comes their way. Commercialism or Islam.

Generally women are more religious than men. They need to belong to something more than men. They need rules beyond you just have to figure it out. Islam has that in spades and there is enough variety in Islam for all.

[–]through_a_ways 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Generally women are more religious than men. They need to belong to something more than men.

I think men are just better at handling the emotional stress that comes from the certain inevitable nihilist thoughts.

If you don't belong to something, it feels as though there is less purpose to life. If you blindly elevate something as a purpose worth fighting for, without actually investigating why that thing should be upheld, then you avoid this mental dilemma completely.

It's good for one's emotional state, but it displays a lack of awareness.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 4 points5 points  (5 children)

It's weird. A local white-girl slut I turned down started dating a muslim guy and now she's FULL muslim. She wears the clothing, shares quotes from the Koran, and prays to Allah now. I wonder if this is a starting trend.

My friends joke and say my dick could have saved a life.

[–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Is it possible that her reputation is so wrecked that no guy from her neighboring church would take her? Hence the Muslim who has a blurred idea on her past is the best choice left.

This tactic is exactly like former Asian porn star marries a Mormon in a town that doesn't watch porn.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (3 children)

She's like 18 and has a 2 year old too.

This tactic is exactly like former Asian porn star marries a Mormon

Man that's some next-level shit.

[–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Asia Carrera is the name. Did not make it up.

[–]tekn0_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have a friend. She is in Canada, but grew up in a rural area there. For a period of year until July of this year, she was with an Egyptian guy who used to work at the same retail store. She was attracted to the Egyptian because he was masculine as fuck. Played soccer. Big thighs. DGAF attitude. Alpha as fuck. She was attracted to him, and when he realized that, he told her he would only fuck her if they got married in a mosque. So both of them got married in a mosque, religiously, not a legal marriage and she didn't inform any family of this. Since they were just about as rednecks you could get in Canada. He was her daddy, and he would fuck her like a bitch, doggy style. She never did anal. Though he wanted to. He would take care of her.

Anyways.. his mother and brother were living with him. He wanted to take care of them. So she decided to go stay at his place for a weekend. She goes to the hall to watch some tv in her shorts. His mother and his brother are shocked to see shorts. His mother told her not to wear shorts again. And she being the typical westerner, went into a panic attack induced by anxiety. She left his house that weekend, and decided to call the relationship off, since she felt offended by them, since he didn't even support her at all, and since they aren't following "true Islam" or whatever bs that is. Funny thing is, since then, she has been exploring Sufism, or the more spiritual part of Islam since then. However being the typical liberal Canadian, she is not a hard core follower of Islam. She realized after breaking up that she only wanted him for physical sex (alpha really fucks people). There are times when she does crave for her daddy's dick though. However she isn't completely over him right now. Though in time something else may happen.

Essence of the story is, women crave an alpha dick. Even if it be one of a muslim. Liberal indoctrination will definitely have a residual effect on a majority of the women. Even then, they will still crave for a DGAF alpha dick.

[–]benzostruggle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have been seeing this happening here (france) for a while now; not surprising tbh.

Women value a man with values. (no matter how fucked up they might be)

[–]Pfoenix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's a failed shit test. I suspect that they are just another type of the born again virgin. Churches are full of "reformed" sluts who found their christianity after hitting the wall in hopes to find a good man™. Some women may see higher chances of finding a wallet in muslim communities.

[–]RacialRealism 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My GF's mom is a doctor and due to her area she works with muslims a lot. The men always address their wives / girlfriends as whore, bitch, slut etc.

e.g. "Tell that blue eyed bitch to get in here". And the blue eyed bitch gladly does.

We have failed a massive shit-test. Every one knows feminists have a massive rape fantasy, and when they're yelling down at white boys to not look at them without permission, they're getting raped by dirty muslim men and enjoying every second of it.

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My brother went from a Richard Dawkins reading atheist to a Muslim in a period of about two weeks once he got a Muslim girlfriend. They have been married for over ten years now. I have my doubts on the sincerity of his belief.

[–]tio1w 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have my doubts on the sincerity of his belief.

Such is the power of the pussy.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a married Muslim plate.

She's very enthusiastic and she knows how to use her anatomy to take care of a guy.

[–]1animal_one 8 points9 points  (2 children)

My friend and I were talking about this the other day after I read the novel Submission by Michel Houellebecq (recommended by Heartiste).

Christianity has become the supplicating beta orbiter, and Islam is the dark triad Alpha. Islam is so irrationally overconfident in itself (sound familiar?) that it will murder people for being the wrong religion. Meanwhile Christians are cucking themselves with adopted children from Africa and sending aid to third world shit holes that they shouldn't give a shit about. Altruistic behavior doesn't give bitches the tingles.

If Christianity doesn't find its balls soon, we'll probably all be Muslims in 50 years.

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[–]skoobled 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the ultimate female fantasy: hulking stud in public, kitten plaything for (just) them in private.

... Until they inevitably get bored

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And the pendulum swings back.

Not unexpected, sooner than predicted, but definitely a nice thing to know. Thanks OP. could use a pickup from yesterdays global issue.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's just keep it simple. Some women will do anything to get married.

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I think wanting a Muslim man is only part of it but I think it is being over-stated. Not trying to start a religion war but you can't just on one hand say white women are unlikely to date outside their race and then post this at the same time. White men and white women have the highest SMV's with respect to their respective genders. There are a few Muslim Chads (let's call them Khans?) that just ruin every stereotype in the book. E.g. if any of you have ever heard of Imran Khan.

Look, I'm in fucking Ontario which is a pretty diverse province, and myself aside (and only cause I look "cute" aka like a 16 year old and "sound white") I maybe see a brown guy with a white girl once a year if that. You might see arabs but again it's not very common. Most are virgins who play video games all day. This means either:

These men have low SMV and are pre-judged. These men have little game.

I think it is a combination of both these factors. In reality, it seems these women want to marry a man that has "traditional values" but it would be ideal if he was white because he'd be likely to have higher SMV and not be a weirdo. It's not like Muslim men will start getting laid a lot more because these women are converting.

I highly doubt most women even think this far. Women are the epitome of living in the now and being "free flowing". It literally could be a sad phase in life where you feel like shit for a week, pick up your smartphone, close your eyes, pick a letter on the key board, and see what religions start with that letter and "oh well yea this sounds like a pretty cool thing to do on a Monday". Or you're staring at yourself in the mirror and realize a hoodie looks pretty good on you. "hmm maybe I can try a Hijab".

I know and have had detailed conversations with converts, I'm a Muslim myself albeit not a very practising one. There are a few women who were very well versed on the subject and knew what they were talking about. Whereas every male convert who I had talked to knew more about Islam than 99% of Muslims and I don't mean that in hyperbole. He genuinely was inspired by the religion and got to know the ins and outs and each and every bit of detail even if you disagree with it.

The extreme vast majority of women had no clue. "It sounded pretty cool", "Muslims seem pretty awesome and are portrayed in a negative light" "hur dur materialism, I want a break" "simplicity" "modesty".

One form or another of the above were more or less all they could come up with.

[–]icefire54 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Much of the rape epidemics sweeping across Europe is probably a subconscious way of Muslim immigrants forcing traditional/patriarchal roles on the very feminist Europe.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Double the irony because it's mostly leftist feminists who support mass immigration.

[–]sonofquetzalcoatl 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Double the irony because it's mostly leftist feminists who support mass immigration.

They are naive in every sense.

[–]MrRexels 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They would rather be a valued object than a worthless subject.

[–]Involution88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100 000 converts. 10 years. Yawn.

[–]fishrcool 2 points2 points [recovered]

Your title is pretty damn misleading. It specifically states that only a quarter of the women converting do so for the "status it affords them." It's more along the lines of roughly 18% of the total converts are women doing so for the reasons you listed.

[–]ChanThunderwang 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's more along the lines of roughly 18% of the total converts are women doing so for the reasons you listed.

18% converted because they are married to a Muslim. This does not mean that they married him because he is a Muslim, though. This is a huge difference!

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Take a breathe man you are loosing your shit like a blue pillar.

If you fear the Muslim religion then build a better society that will encourage Muslim to abandon their old religion to embrace the life style you are proposing. Especially build a society that is red pill and put a break on hypergamy without any kind of religious supremacism or any religious violence.

[–]spurdosparade 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"If you fear the Muslim religion then build a better society that will encourage Muslim to abandon their old religion to embrace the life style you are proposin" That's very true, I know my country, Brazil, sucks in a lot of things, but one thing we get right is immigrant assimilation, 99% of our Lebanese community is Cristian by now.

[–]LuvBeer 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Lol encourage. These people understand force, not reason.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's true so let us non-Muslim be strong and start building strong and healthy communities in which Muslim will want to integrate. Then it will be possible to impose as a first condition the abandon of Muslim faith.

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[–]Inyobch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people need comfort to live their which is pretty weak.

[–]Blackierobinsin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are these women attractive?!?

[–]niceguy_gone_cad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

OMG kebab lays whitey pays. Fuck this gay universe, #RaceWarNow

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