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Girl on OKCupid subreddit keeps telling herself that she's attracted to betas - and then learns that her "perfect, amazing" boyfriend is a RedPiller. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: Women don't know what they're attracted to. Girl on OKC sub has fallen head over heels for a "perfect" guy. Then she discovers he avidly follows RedPill advice, and she's confused because she had always told herself that she was more attracted to betas. Turns out the truth is harsher.

Full thread here.

This is a particularly noteworthy example because it plays against all the stereotypes that feminists try to pigeon-hole us with. That we're all sociopathic frat boys. That we beat and rape women. That we don't know how to treat people well.

The truth is, RedPill is not just about getting big muscles and ramming some chick up the cervix. It's about understanding the nature of the world - and that nature contains both alpha and beta traits that you must use in balance if you want a long-term relationship. You can't just go complete caveman and expect a girl to stick around forever. You gotta feed her a little bit of sugar, make her feel protected and safe (which women are programmed to look for in an LTR).

Case in point:

I've been seeing this guy since mid September, and daily since early October. He treats me really well, he's courteous, and he moves fast to fix anything that bothers me. A while ago I told him we were falling into a rut, and the next day he took me on an elaborate, amazing date night.

So two days ago, I was setting up his laptop for Netflix and noticed he had "the red piller's guide to online dating" bookmarked. I won't link in case it generates a notice/brigading, but it's the first hit on google.

I confronted him, and he said the sub said messed up things about women but had good tips on confidence and knowing your worth and "being manly". Which, I guess, aren't bad things, and that particular guide (if you search it up) isn't far from the advice given out on this sub (with added douchiness).

But the fact he's getting those tips from trp still bothers me. It's making me view things he's said in different lights, like scoffing when I said I liked dorky guys more than confident ones or awkward teases that might have been negs. Once he said, "this is going to sound really lame, but you get prettier and prettier every time I see you." I swooned, but he was really embarrassed.

This guy is a smart cookie. He's taking TRP and turning it into a workable frame for him. He's incorporating both alpha and beta traits. And notice the subtle neg at the end. "You get prettier and prettier every time I see you". A beta would have showered a girl with compliments about her looks from day one. But a smart man knows it's okay to tell your LTR that she's a hot piece of ass once in a while, as long as you already have her on the hook. This guy is essentially saying you're pretty hot, and now that you've proven your value to me, I'm willing to compliment you a little more. Makes her feel that she earned his time.

Surprisingly, the comments are level-headed. But OKC subreddit being a hive of bluepilled men and feminists, there's plenty of shit to go around. Here's one for a laugh:

I'm not a woman, but it would probably freak me out. Whether PUAs or bitter PUAs (TRP) I always assume that every single thing they say and do is preplanned, practiced behaviour.

Yeah, because women never preplan and practice their behavior in relationships, huh? It's not like they read magazines to learn how to attract a man... or wear tons of make-up in a deliberate effort to raise their SMV... or talk to their girlfriends about their guy. No sir. Only the evil PUAs do things like that.

TL;DR: First of all, don't fucking tell women that you read TheRedPill. It only leads to a headache. Secondly, women will constantly try to convince themselves that they actually like feminized, beta males (even when they're unwittingly dating a RedPiller who is the opposite of that). The cognitive dissonance is delicious.


[–]fdsdfs89 126 points127 points  (8 children)

In other news, women like results but don't like seeing what it takes to get them.

[–]ArcadesRed 24 points25 points  (7 children)

A female author once wrote something to the effect of. Woman need to see the result of the pain before they accept it. Men see pain as a path to the result. She wrote it in a condescending way at guys and I never have quite wrapped my head around that.

[–]Modredpillschool 42 points43 points  (1 child)

I recently moved into a bigger place with my current LTR, and the month leading up to the move was a lot, a lot, of painstaking home repair and painting (it was a fixer-upper).

She was getting depressed because we were on a tight time-table and therefore didn't have much free time to spend on 'us'. Every day after work or on weekends, we were there painting, fixing, cleaning, building.

Eventually she got so overwhelmed while she was painting that she just lost it. She couldn't imagine the finished product and it was too painful for her. She hated everything about the house because of all this work we were putting into it.

After that I told her to go do something else and that I'd finish the house myself.

Once the house was finished, she loved it. But she had no grasp on the delayed gratification.

I understand the stress, it wasn't an easy time. But for me, I saw the pain as a path to progress. For her she saw the pain as an obstacle.

She couldn't envision the endgame.

[–]hartke20g 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My LTR is the same way. She doesn't understand the pain/work that must go into something. She's almost done with her schooling and has a lot of upper-level work to do that takes up most of her time. Every weekend she says she'll have to spend at least 2 full days working on projects to finish on time, and every weekend she then says that she deserves a break and procrastinates even though she can't afford to. Sometimes I get through to her and convince her that she can survive another day without seeing me, but most of the time she gets upset at me because I empathic and tell her to take as much time as she needs to get her work done; because of course that means I don't care enough to want to spend time with her. She doesn't see how putting in the hard work now will pay off later. Of course, that's what happens when you grow up with an idiot for a father and a woman with no self-worth for a mother...

It's a long process and a lot of work, but I know it's worth it because she'll make a quality partner, as she already shows many deep-seated good qualities. I'm making a comparison here showing that I'm putting in the work that most women can't handle for a good payoff later

[–]ThrowyMcGruder 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I'm not agreeing with her, but I can guess where she's coming from.

She's probably saying women are smart enough to only take pain if it's worth it, where men just stupidly take the pain because they're trying to be macho.

[–]ArcadesRed 15 points16 points  (0 children)

In my life, which is the only one I can truly speak for. Pain has never entered into the decision making process. If something needs to be done. No amount of pain should stop you from doing it. To not do something because it will hurt for a little while is quitting before you start.

[–]EnragedParrot 4 points5 points  (2 children)

O dear god the "macho" label - just another shaming tactic. Geez lol

[–]WAFC 224 points225 points  (42 children)

I love that all their vitriol eventually reveals what we already know. They want a natural alpha, they don't want to be 'tricked,' by a guy who just learned how to act alpha. That's what 'manipulative' is code for. RP men 'manipulate' women by being what they are attracted to.

And their lack of self-awareness that they are exactly what we say they are is just the cherry on top.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (10 children)

Great point. Why would you have such a problem with something being "preplanned"? That doesn't even make sense. When you make changes in your life like "I wanna be nicer to the homeless", that's preplanned? Everything you do is!

They just can't even elaborate why they don't like it. They just understand the general feeling of not liking it. And WE tell them exactly why they don't, lol and they still try to deny it.

[–]MisterMisogyny 59 points60 points  (3 children)

When you make changes in your life like "I wanna be nicer to the homeless", that's preplanned? Everything you do is!

Not if you're a woman and all that you ever do is react to things based on your emotional response. Emotions are usually not pre-planned.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (2 children)

Why are you always belittling my comments?!

runs away crying

[–]ThrowyMcGruder 26 points27 points  (0 children)

You're beautiful when you cry.

Let's all be inspired.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Your tears make the best lube.

[–]2rp_valiant 36 points37 points  (4 children)

They don't want to see the work, they want the finished product. Knowing that the smooth guy that picked her up had spent hours studying and improving his technique is a real turn-off for girls because it replaces the emotional narrative of "we're soulmates", "we fell in love", "he just gets me" with the cold hard logic of "he did the research to figure out how to act in order to become desirable, and practiced until it became second nature".

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Well the other unspoken side of it is, "if he can do this for me, he can do this for someone better than me eventually and upgrade. I could just be a practice run."

[–]screamingATtrees 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Dread game! "if I got you.. I can get others"

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Pretty much. I actually explained it to my wife when we first met and she asked "why me and not so and so?" Her eyes went wide and she didn't know how to react. The one time she threatened to leave me years back I laughed and pointed to the door telling her to go. She froze up and I told her to get moving so I could hop on Craigslist, post a cock pic, and get a new bitch by tomorrow evening.

And thus was the first night she sucked me off three times in a row while I played with her pussy.

[–]GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that go into them, and also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of revealing how hard you work—it only raises questions. Teach no one your tricks or they will be used against you. - KANO TANNYU. MASTER ARTIST

Law 30

[–]nalewacz 24 points25 points  (1 child)

It is exactly as Rollo described. Women want the men which "just get it". And they never want full disclosure.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 69 points70 points  (19 children)

They want a natural alpha,

Same way they want NFL players to be natural: Oh, I never lifted a weight in my life just got up this morning and bench pressed 225 for 31 reps /s

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (8 children)

Nah I never put in thousands of hours at the gym baby. When we're together I'll never ignore you to go work out. All this muscle is natural.

It makes me fucking laugh. I think it is more virtuous to overcome problems through hard work, yet they want a man who naturally never had to work for anything.

[–]FreemanPontifex 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Yeah, because that guy's genetic material is fucking awesome.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Very true. Women subconsciously want a "natural alpha" and don't want to be "tricked." I suppose evolutionarily that's advantageous because if something happens to the father, the kid will tend to naturally grow into it without needing to be coached. Which comes back around to the OP's point in that the woman loved the way the man treated her, UNTIL she found out he wasn't doing it naturally.

[–]foldpak111 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It's like calling out bud/s students for trying out for the Navy SEALs because only Navy SEALs can be Navy SEALs, or that only Spartans could become Spartans. We are not little independent islands, we are permeable membranes shaped by an association/environment, put through experiences that transform us from jelly into wood and if any woman has a problem with this they can kick rocks. More time for me to make money, exercise, go out with my mates, and play Fallout 4.

[–]tyson2444 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Fallout 4 almost converted me to MGTOW

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yea, women are just solipsism machines. They hate that men would ignore them to play video games, hang out with mates, go lifting, etc. Yet at the same time they're nose deep in their phones playing candy crush or texting meaningless nothings to their "friends." They're going shopping or binging on netflix. When men try to reclaim the fact we are valuable and worthy of time, attention (whether attention on ourselves to improve, or their attention when we're with them), and high value interesting women, they throw a shitfit because we aren't just NOT playing their game, we're ignoring it.

The hilarious thing is that I've had relationships fail because of this principle. I entered into the relationship as a lifter, as a dude with guy friends and social value. Then I let her monopolize my time. I stopped going to the gym, we started eating out a bunch because she wanted to and I got chubby. Guess who stopped wanting sex? At the time I broke up with her because of the decrease in sex drive and I blamed her. Now I blame myself. I let myself go, I let her control me and turn me into something she thought she wanted. But what she thought she wanted and what she actually wanted were two different things.

This is why women castigate the red pill. They talk about men and dating behind our backs all the time. Now that we want to talk about women and dating behind their backs, we're suddenly misogynistic. We're sharing our learned experiences and making generalizations like they have, but when we do it, it's wrong. Hilarious double standards and solipsism.

Hilarious edit: Does anyone remember that app? I think it was called Lulu or something. Where it was women only, and they got to rate men behinds their backs on their attractiveness, niceness, future prospects, etc. And included things like "good kisser," "hung," "nice guy," and other tags? Imagine if men created a similar app. The hamsters would spin at the speed of light.

[–]strps 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, because they don't have to work for feminine virtues and they can't imagine it any other way.

[–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Even though NFL players are genetically gifted explosively, they still had to train to unleash the full potential of their explosiveness. Same way you can be naturally big and strong, but you'll never get to a truly alpha level without correcting muscular imbalances to unleash it. Size means dick to women if you throw your back out when she jumps on your back because you sit a lot resulting in tight hip flexors. I wish women would understand that guys who are alpha males work their fucking asses off to get there. Even maintaining the position is a day-to-day struggle.

[–]Anderfail 3 points4 points  (4 children)

It's why professional athletes vehemently deny using gear, they don't want the general public to know what it really takes to get to that level.

[–]verify_account 4 points5 points  (2 children)

This shit still puts me in the anger phase. Maybe women would be better at things if they understood the hard work it takes.

why dont' we have more women in management!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Actually, there's more women in management than men.

[–]RemyPrice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I work for a company where ALL of the managers are women.

The CEO is a man. The President is a man. All the managers? Women.

Women are terrible leaders, but great managers.

[–]spicedncoke 13 points13 points [recovered]

LOL. The comments in there are so stupid, all these "tricks".

People learn PU and TRP because...it works. Seriously. If it didn't work it would not have lasted for so long and TRP wouldn't have over 100k subscribers. How do you not get that. It's akin to making fun of a fat person on the treadmill, or a tiny guy trying to build muscle. Same idea, difference is, one is physical, the other is mental.

[–]CornyHoosier 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How do you not get that. It's akin to making fun of a fat person on the treadmill, or a tiny guy trying to build muscle.

That's a good point. You gotta fake it till you make it.

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The shit I live for is when someone gets a lot of haters for making a change, whether a fat dude or skinny dude, and just says fuck it and keeps going then comes out of the fire after a couple of years sculted like a damn Greek statue. My passion for these men is unspeakable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've got a friend who went from skinnymode gamer who worked at a desk all day to a Crossfit coach & Krav Maga instructor. Impossibly sculpted. So much respect.

[–]rickyTiqee 6 points6 points [recovered]

They want a natural alpha, they don't want to be 'tricked,' by a guy who just learned how to act alpha.

How do you know who's natural alpha and who's learned to behave like one? To be alpha you don't only must have the strength of character or just be very dominant but also experience and know-how are crucial.

And how you prove, that if someone wasn't alpha from the beginning, then he for sure hasn't got 'alpha blood' and never succeed?

Like they say, "even a diamond gotta be polished first".

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How do you know who's natural alpha and who's learned to behave like one?

by the way they behave when thrown a curveball, they hold frame and don't get shaken as it's natural for them to be in challenging situations. It's not so much what they do but how they do it that demonstrates an alpha attitude.

all behavior is fluid and even the most Alpha of Alpha's can have a bad day/week/month and appear other than Alpha, however, it's the guys who, in the long term, have consistent Alpha traits -- any guy can be the AMOG in a given situation, but only within that criteria, like a guy who's "the boss" at work, but nowhere else!

A true alpha male takes it with him wherever he goes, he owns it as there's no other way he knows how to be! That's what a true 'solid frame' is. Unshakeable and almost unbreakable

Essentially, it's their overall tendencies demonstrate their 'alphaness' over and over in new situations, whereas guys who are 'faking it' will flounder and choke, I call it a "chuck gurgle", when they go "ah, er ahh umm" when put on the spot.

I also think there are a lot more natural Sigmas these days than there used to be, which some people might mistakenly call 'fake alphas' as they don't understand them.

Another example is that a natural Alpha/Sigma male will tend to gravitate towards a challenge rather than away from one ... just watch to see who puts their hand up first or who's already doing it and you'll find your natural Alphas and Sigmas .... find out who's arranging for the most views possible for their 'great adventures' and you're probably onto a fake

[–]thenarrrowpath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

don't want to be 'tricked,' by a guy who just learned how to act alpha.

But for them,wearing make up and coths that hide the torso is okay.

[–][deleted] 310 points311 points  (24 children)

Anyone else notice she described dude as, "Almost boyfriend"?

She doesn't realize she is a plate. Thats adorable.

[–]2IVIaskerade 39 points40 points  (3 children)

He seems to be putting in a little too much effort for her to be "just" a plate (an elaborate date night when she says she's feeling bored, for example), but it's close.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 16 points17 points  (2 children)

You can have more and less serious plates I'd say.

If you've been fucking a girl for a few months consistently, you're going to have to occasionally toss in beta traits to keep her around, unless you're absolutely so high value (rich, celebrity, or extremely ripped) that she knows she has no prospects even anywhere near your level.

It fuels her, "I can lock him down!" dream. It'll also fuel shit tests and her trying to lock you down further, but I think of those as sorta how the sausage is made with a longer term plate. Keep a strong frame, and be very clear with your boundaries while occasionally rewarding her (when she does something right).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah thats kind of where I am at with this girl right now. She is like my 3-5 day a week "almost girlfriend" and on the other nights I either try and call up this twice a month girl or game new girls.

Plate is a pretty vague description of a girl but to me its about level of investment. Like some dudes say if you only have one she isn't a plate, she is your girlfriend. For me there are a lot of times I only have one plate, but she isn't my girlfriend.

[–]RedLavaLamp 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I dunno. From the first passage he seems pretty beta. Always fixes her problems, seems attentive, when she complains he takes her on an elaborate date. This dude has a ways to go. This chick will dump him and then he'll really start to get RP.

[–]TRPhd 24 points25 points  (0 children)

She got a lot of leverage by snooping the RP out. She's not going to leave soon, but she will eventually, because she damaged his frame and made him apologize/explain.

If I were him, I'd start lining up other options, and soft-next.

[–]mrrooftops 10 points11 points  (0 children)

She sounds like she's hamstering. If he was truly beta she wouldn't really notice the fixing and attentiveness.

[–]Anderfail 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nah, for an LTR you have to mix it up. If you know what you are doing and you have a good woman, she will actually be completely honest with you. Sometimes listening is fine and you can easily turn it around. For instance, she may have told him wanted more attention, but you can easily make the response RP by planning everything, telling her what to wear, and keeping her guessing. Women eat that shit up. This way you reframe it in your perspective versus allowing her to dictate.

[–]Mattpilf 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A while ago I told him we were falling into a rut, and the next day he took me on an elaborate, amazing date night.

They've only been " dating " for two months and already had a 'rut' that's fixed by an elaborate date.... (I'm guessing this is like a month into a relationship) If she were just a plate she would have been left a long time ago.

[–]ohkcthrow 8 points9 points  (9 children)

We've been seeing each other everyday for about two months (as mentioned in the post). It'd be pretty hard for him to have another plate when I come over all the time and hang out with his housemates.

We're exclusive, just not using the label because it's been... 2.5 months.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Well hello there. Nice of you to join us for polite discussion. You may bristle at what we say, and how we say it, but it's the reality of the situation. You have an in to the male mind, brutal honesty is practiced here, and being a plate isn't a horrible thing.

You can earn better standing and improve beyond plate rather easily. By being aware of things you're hard wired to do, and not doing them through conscious effort, you earn trust and appreciation. The girls I'm seeing all bristle at the prose used here, but they absolutely love the kind of man I am. They know where they stand with me, and you can know where you stand with your guy, and improve upon it at will.

You just might be exclusive, sometimes I am simply because I've ended my other prospects and haven't had our taken the time to replace them. People come into our lives, some stay, some go, that's how it works with everything, no matter what it is it will come to an end. There's occasions where the new beginning is weeks, months or years away, and in the meantime we enjoy who is around right now.

It's entirely up to you if you want to stay or go, nobody is forcing you to date him, but if you want to stay and have an enjoyable relationship with him, the keys to doing exactly that are in this sub. Of course it will require introspection, looking at yourself critically and deciding the best course of action not based on emotional thinking, but you can do it. You only need to be aware of your thinking and nature.

Embrace who you are rather than trying desperately to be something you're not. I did, and I rather enjoy being a manipulative asshole, but I'm not that way to everyone.

[–]ohkcthrow 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm sorry if my replies come off bristle-y, they aren't meant to.

And you're right, I do know where I stand with my guy :)

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem a bit defensive, but that's too be expected due to our reputation, but you're barely on the bitch scale in my book. I've seen far worse. Thick skins are required here.

Sounds like you have a good one, do yourself a favor and don't fuck it up. :)

bitches love smilies

[–]Turkerthelurker 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I don't know if everyone realizes that you are the OP of the okcupid thread...

Is 'exclusive' a label? I always thought it was a bit of a placeholder. Like I don't see you enough or go on actual "dates" to warrant calling you my girlfriend, but we care enough about each other to not be fucking others.

...Which I guess counts as a label.

[–]ohkcthrow 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I don't know if they do, but the mods said I could create a response post if I want to.

And yeah, we're using "exclusive" as a placeholder. For us there isn't a tangible difference to "exclusively dating" and "boyfriend" (and his housemates do call me his girlfriend), but I feel a non-tangible, emotional step.

[–]Turkerthelurker 4 points5 points  (3 children)

And yeah, we're using "exclusive" as a placeholder. For us there isn't a tangible difference to "exclusively dating" and "boyfriend" (and his housemates do call me his girlfriend), but I feel a non-tangible, emotional step.

Makes sense.

I hope you read around a bit, and realize that a lot of the guys here aren't "woman haters," in fact quite the opposite, but there is a vocal minority of guys that have been fucked over.

A lot of people are put off about how we speak, but don't realize that this is how guys speak to each other. There is just so much PC-laden crap in other subreddits that this place is extremely crude in comparison. Which is why I love it.

You wouldn't suspect me as a member in real life, just as you didn't suspect your bf, and as you wouldn't expect any experienced member. Because in real life, it doesn't look a thing like hating women. The caricature of a video-gaming neckbeard is so opposite what is advised here, that it doesn't even make sense.

I suspect this is one of the few subreddits that has a sizable number of "real people." What I mean by that, is the type of people you see day to day in a city. The type of people that enjoy hobbies, and enjoy social interaction. Not to say the average redditor is not a person, but I do imagine they are for more reserved and introverted. Cue the picture of the Baltimore reddit meet-up.

That last paragraph might be terrifying if you really believe TRP are a misogynistic hate group, but I find it a welcome breath of fresh air.

[–]ohkcthrow 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I do agree that there's rational people on this sub! And some good advice.

The caricature of a video-gaming neckbeard is so opposite what is advised here, that it doesn't even make sense.

I agree. But this sub perpetuates this idealized alpha male who is also a caricature that makes little sense. From reading the responses though, it seems this caricature arose through an overcompensation for the "neckbeard beta".

[–]Turkerthelurker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah yeah, "Chad Thundercock." That popped up here probably around a year ago. He represents the natural alpha... The guy that embodied the stereotype through adolescence and beyond. The guy that you never find here, by the sheer principal that a natural wouldn't need to find TRP.

Everyone knows a guy like that, so it helps with driving the point home. Some guys use him as, like you said, a caricature to get a point across. Others take it to a weird almost homoerotic level of describing him fucking your gf/ex/plate/whatever.

That's where an ability to filter what you read comes in handy.

[–]Stormhammer 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm confused to the "almost boyfriend" and then the " we were in a rut" conversation.

Usually that's reserved for a serious relationship type of deal, typically within the confines of monogamy as well.

[–]AtlRP 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Her version of "we were in a rut" could mean he didn't respond to a text fast enough. Women make hamster mountains out of mole hills.

[–]Stormhammer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Between this and the 21 year old girl thread, I'm beginning to realize I've been fortunate with the women I choose to pursue.

[–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or at the very least, not willing to admit it.

Dat ego defense.

[–]RP_is_mainstream 153 points154 points  (30 children)

Love this comment

They take universally known self confidence tips to disguise their real tactics. They're a fucking hate group

Funny, all my girls love me to death and text me that they can't wait until the next time they meet me so I can fuck their brains out.

Seriously, if you thought even for longer than half a second, you would realize people don't try to have sex with something they hate.

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon 112 points113 points  (8 children)

It's like they don't even try to understand it. They don't try to look past our crude vernacular to get at the core of what we're saying. They read something, and instead of digesting it and trying to understand what the person is actually saying, they get offended and go right into emotional mode.

I don't know about you guys, but my life has gotten exponentially better since I came here nigh two years ago. I'm healthier, more attractive, stronger, more financially secure, more charismatic, I have no trouble making new friends, the list goes on. All because TRP showed me the truth - that humans are still animals and our society operates more similarly to the animal kingdom thatn most people wish to believe.

We all judge along the social scale in the pits of our reptile brain, we all are drawn to attractive people regardless of your sexuality or the sex of said person. (Read: We afford high value men more respect). Pretending this isn't true only hurts yourself in the long run. Homo sapiens have been on earth about 200,000 years. Assuming each generation is 25 years (which is probably generous), that's 8000 pairs of ancestors for you and me. 16,000 Homo Sapiens came before you. Each of them made babies until here we are with you and I. Out of those 8,000 pairs of loving parents, THREE OR FOUR of them were alive since womens suffrage. That's 7,996 pairs of ancestors doing it the "patriarchal" way. We've evolved this way. This doesn't mean I advocate treating women as 2nd class citizens it means women want a man, not a 21st century digital boy.

Now where is the only place on the internet where other men are reaching out to lost little boys and turning them into men?

Right here.

[–]1RXRob 16 points17 points  (4 children)

It's like they don't even try to understand it. They don't try to look past our crude vernacular to get at the core of what we're saying. They read something, and instead of digesting it and trying to understand what the person is actually saying, they get offended and go right into emotional mode.

When I was a teenager, and no matter how much I begged them to take the time to read the words properly, my parents were always trying to ban me from rap, metal and certificate 18 films. The story never changes, only the names and faces.

[–]2IVIaskerade 6 points7 points  (3 children)

no matter how much I begged them to take the time to read the words properly

Rap music? They were reading the words. They didn't want your eyes opened.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Nothing has made me appreciate rap as much as TRP has.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They also just don't understand any of it except the profanity. Hip Hop slang is lost on most middle aged, suburban, white parents.

[–]mryddlin 28 points29 points  (2 children)

My ideal of women being equal partners died here though.

I love them, I have 3 LTRs going and have a bunch of plates (I'm polyamorus background, all open) but it has changed my expectations of their roles within the dynamic.

The reality is the bar has been lowered to where it should have been from the start and the exceptional women inhabe in my life are all that more evident now.

Soooo many basic entitled bitches out there now. Great for a night or two but they are blind to their lack of future.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

we are still experiencing the aftermath of feminism for sure. the girls who grew up in their 20s in 3rd wave feminism are just turning 30 and 40s now. We are the generation of men living in the aftermath.

thank goodness 20 year old women always stay the same age though, and studies show that generation z is looking good.

[–]2IVIaskerade 15 points16 points  (0 children)

we are still experiencing the aftermath of feminism for sure.

We're nowhere near the aftermath of "feminism". Hell, depending on who you ask we might not even be out of the third wave.

What we're seeing is the sexually liberated 2nd wave feminists in their 50s who are just now reaching retirement age and ceding the floor to their more radical students.

The internet (more specifically reddit, and even more specifically the manosphere) is seeing a pushback against feminism and social justice that is far out of proportion with the resistance out in the real world.

The "aftermath" will happen when the pendulum starts to swing back.

thank goodness 20 year old women always stay the same age though

I'll drink to that.

[–]TheRiseAndFall 44 points45 points  (7 children)

Do you really think an 8/10 chick left that comment? No. The people on reddit who bother to post about this crap are either plain girls, ugly chicks, or white knight betas.

I checked in one one of my exes recently on facebook, as I am still good friends with her brother. Turns out that she went from a rather hot looking girl who was pleasant to be with, who was positive and filed with drive to do cool things into a bitter, feminist hag with a beta boyfriend.

No surprise she dropped from a 7/10 when we were still together into a 5/10. Want to bet the two are not unrelated?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you really think an 8/10 chick left that comment? No. The people on reddit who bother to post about this crap are either plain girls, ugly chicks, or white knight betas.

I really couldn't agree more.

I can only imagine how these "girls", who support the BP and spend all their time denouncing TRP look.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

lol this is a good point. How many well adjusted, fit, and otherwise normal girls are posting on reddit rofl. IF they are, i'm sure it's mostly confined to subs like pics and funny

[–]Killeurkilleur 14 points14 points [recovered]

to be fair women might say the same thing about us :" how many well adjusted, fit, and otherwise normal men are posting on this redpill rofl"

[–]Kalidane 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Without realising that the answer is "More every day. Tubby"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i mean, so? of course a lot of hte people that initially come here are in need of help. I don't think anyone here denies this. The point is we support each other on the road to success...it's hardly comparable. It would be comparable if we were talking about a sub that was a help group in some way. But yes, would a lot of natural 'alphas' be here of their own accord? Probably not.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Progresspics has a similar supportive ideal for both men and women.

[–]pcadrian 12 points12 points [recovered]

Funny how we have the same reaction from women. I have girls text me the next morning thanking me for an amazing evening. Or how I'm the perfect man, the kind of man the thought only exists in fairy tales. RP men are men of fairy tales.

[–]RP_is_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have girls text me the next morning thanking me for an amazing evening.

The ego boost is an amazing feeling. All because I actually give a fuck about sex, realize it's a skill and actually read from real sources (e.g. not shit mainstream online publications) on how to be a better lover.

[–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously, if you thought even for longer than half a second, you would realize people don't try to have sex with something they hate.

Sincé I went full RP, and cocky. Almost every single lady friend of mine started loving me, (Woman now, either love me to death, or hate me) and most of them try to push themselves as plate, that I deny if they are not hot enough. Everyone say how douche RP attitude is, but I have at least 3-5 girls willing to do a lot of things for me.

[–]arrayay 35 points36 points  (4 children)

So two days ago, I was setting up his laptop for Netflix and noticed he had "the red piller's guide to online dating" bookmarked.

LOL. Which step of the Netflix configuration guide involves examining all browser bookmarks?

Remember, if genders reversed, "OMG, how creepy, he is basically spying on you!"

[–]Kalidane 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I didn't spot that.

So the translated version reads more like:

"I was setting up his laptop for Netflix and spent half an hour checking his browsing history and bookmarks and downloads folder when I noticed..."

[–]dCLIFFb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To be fair it could have been on his bookmark bar.

[–]Luce_Bree 96 points96 points [recovered]

lol my woman knows I read it.

A couple weeks ago we had my buddy and his girlfriend over for dinner. Lo and behold, this topic, this very sub, came up somehow.

In the course of our conversation she tried to slander TRP posters as misogynists and sociopaths (and be real, some of the shit you guys post make you seem like sociopaths, LOL). But I was able to drop some knowledge about this sub, and she conceded most of the points that I brought up.

I basically explained that a lot of the media coverage about Red Pillers is completely skewed and it isn't nuanced, and countered her claims of misogyny by explaining that, yes, some men here ARE angry, but a lot of the guys here found this place because they did all the shit that women claim they want men to do, and got burned for doing it.

My woman said nothing the entire time.

And she got a ferocious deep-dicking that same night.

[–]mryddlin 62 points63 points  (2 children)

You gave her a massive social boost, she got to sit back and watch her man slay the other girls social value. Dollars to donuts you could hook up the other girl now too.

I'll bet money that her boyfriend got laid that night because she was thinking of you.

[–]byebyebluepill 12 points12 points [recovered]

Dollars to donuts. That's a wonderful phrase. I'm taking that

[–]mrrooftops 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rather that than BP dick in a donut.

[–]nantucketghost 27 points28 points  (2 children)

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[–]NiceKicksGabe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And this is how it should be.

[–]TRPhd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In addition to dread game, reminding women that they have a better guy than their girlfriends is always a good idea. (Edit: subtlely)

[–]Vigilo_Infinite 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I've discovered that a lot of the hate, bitterness and anger I see on here is mostly projected. They don't hate women, they hate themselves and are pissed that they've been lied to and that the world is unfair.

Most people (esp the woman) who stumble across the sub don't have any context to be able to draw this truth as a conclusion.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I straight up tell girls that I'm a beta piller and I hate TRP. hahaha

[–]AtlRP 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Faux-White Knight gaslighting. I love it.

[–]LolBrah123 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Genuinely surprised that women are aware of this sub. I always thought it's just another part of the mostly dorky Internet culture. Heck, I've stumbled on here thanks to a reference on an obscure forum.

Must be a US thing.

[–]ChadThundercockII 4 points5 points  (3 children)

People don't talk much shit outside of the Internet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Not to people's faces, anyway.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My girl knows too. She doesn't give a shit

[–]L33TPWNERS 35 points35 points [recovered]

Well, the thing I don't get, is even if everything is pre-planned behavior, what's wrong with that? Whats wrong with planning? Is that not a key to having a beneficial life? "Luck favors the prepared" correct? It only makes sense that someone who plans and prepares gets lucky...

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Don't you watch TV? Have you never been to a movie or read a book? Planning takes all the magic out of it! It's more romantic when it just happens!

Total bullshit, of course. Nothing just happens. Every step is considered and planned, at least somewhat. Women are passive, but men have to act. We can't wait for the right moment, we have to make the moment happen. But they need it to to appear effortless.

Young women overwhelmingly believe they are special snowflakes. They don't want to admit they are attracted to exactly the same social and physical traits as every other woman on the planet. They are basic and common, but they desperately want to be unique. It is an attack on their self delusion to reveal how uniform and formulaic their desires really are.

Never admit you planned anything. She just happened to end up in your bed. It was fate, chance, and magic!

[–]pedler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How well said. The whole fantasy probably fuels their idea that they prefer beta guys. Because there are women like that......not.

[–]GosuBen 12 points12 points [recovered]

Yeah, people in general seem to act negatively to the concept of hard work and focused effort in just about most things.

A good example is in health and fitness/lifting. People react very positively to somebodies healthy image at that moment in time, but tend to react negatively if that person then reveals that its a 2 hour a day, 6 day a week hobby. "You track your calories?! You must have OCD" or "You're obsessed and need to get a life".

It's the same with what you mention. If people invest a huge amount of time in personal improvement in how they manage their relationships, even with people in general, people are going to be critical of the process. That said, I always believe you should keep the process to yourself/or discuss with the likeminded. Let people see the results, keep the methodology to yourself.

Hard & smart work produces results in just about anything. And lets face it, most people just don't like the concept of hard work.

[–]pedler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People are afraid of failure. People are also afraid of success. The simple fact is the harder you word the more rewarding, rich life experiences you will have. Without planning ad hard work,you'll get thrown around by other peoplewho worked hard and planned how to get in their position. It doesnt always work, and life is unfair sometimes but he sure thing is theres always room for improvement.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 30 points31 points  (1 child)

And here you go, ladies and gentlemen--classic BP misogyny.

"–]Lobo_MarinoI downvote success stories -7 points 1 day ago She should be mad at herself for falling for it"

According to them, women are too stupid to make their individual mating choices.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah right. It's never the girl's fault. A football player has 10 kids from 10 different women, and it's still his fault for not being smart enough to wrap it up.

[–]174pounder 28 points29 points  (24 children)

So I've been here a year or so and I did an experiment recently where I, knowing RP guidelines for dating (and having tons of experience that they work really well), decided to try

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction

AKA ignore TRP advice.

Basically I had an amazing date (pleasant, fucked in her car) with girl x and I thought, "OK TRP and my experience would have me not text her except for logistics. Let's do the opposite to see how she reacts!"

Over the next few days I texted her first every day and had a cute back and forth. On the surface it was simple and fun, but it was clear that she was sort of... accepting that I was giving her attention for nothing.

Come Tuesday, the day of our planned 2nd date, she cancels because she had an extra long shift. She got upset at me because she wanted sympathy for having to work so hard. She didn't attempt to make it up to me or reschedule the date. This was, in my mind, the clear result of her thinking I'm a thirsty pushover due to my texting habits.

Experiment over, hard next.

The lesson was pretty clear, even small deviations from the optimal methods can cause an otherwise strong initial frame to burn to ashes.

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[–]174pounder 8 points9 points  (15 children)

Did you follow the RP right up to the fucking in car part?

For the most part. I set the location and date activity. Low key, unique/interesting, intimate. I led the conversation with a cool list of topics I thought of.

Proof by Contradiction, in this case, was a success. I "proved" RP methods are superior by showing that non-RP methods failed hard.

I didn't test every case because I'd like to get laid again someday. She was an 8/10. Ah well, science.

[–]ArcadesRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Proof by Contradiction is super important in the scientific method. You use it to isolate a single variable to test your whole theory.

[–]wehadtosaydickety 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Perhaps too strong of a conclusion, rather it's usually best to stick with whatever frame landed you the girl if you have no problems. You changed it up and got different results. Some girls do respond much better to a little beta and comfort.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep, I did a similar experiment with PUA about a year after discovering it (for context, this was about 3 or 4 years ago). For about 1-2 months, I did exactly the opposite of what I should (according to PUA and TRP).

What did it get me? Absolutely no girls, no sex.

Go back, and within 2 weeks I had fucked three girls.

It was pretty much the last time I ever seriously questioned the literature.

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[–]R1fle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This was my exact thought too. How dare a beta try and be a better man? You have to be an alpha from birth or you're predestined to always put women first.

It's like you're breaking frame if a girl finds out 'omg, my stud used to not be a stud? ewwww. he used to be rejected by girls at one point. my whole reality is being fucked with. he was suppose to have banged hundreds of hot women since puberty and he chose me because im special.'

[–]ohkcthrow 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Like I said elsewhere, I like his current ratio of beta-alpha or whatever you want to call it.

I don't want a "natural alpha", I want his current personality and don't want him to change it. Is it possible that I wouldn't have liked him last year? Sure. But I like him now and don't want him to change his "beta" behavior in pursuit of the "alpha".

[–]EnragedParrot 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How does that even REMOTELY address what R1fle is talking about?

It doesn't.

[–]ohkcthrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Doesn't that totally support the idea that women want natural alphas, and are disgusted by betas learning to be alpha?"

I said: "Is it possible that I wouldn't have liked him last year? Sure. But I like him now and don't want him to change his "beta" behavior in pursuit of the "alpha"."

To mean, I'm not "disgusted" by it if learning TRP brought him to the guy he is. I'm concerned that he was brought to where he is for the wrong reasons.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Everyone loves people with power but no ones likes how many immoral things he had to do to get there.

[–]Stythe 9 points10 points  (11 children)

Why does every woman describe asking a guy about something as "confronting him"? Wtfs up wit dat?

"My boyfriend was flirting with a girl, so I confronted him about it" "My bf was playing video games, so I confronted him about it" "My man was wearing jeans and I hate jeans, so I confronted him about it" "My boyfriend was born with a pebis, so I confronted him about it"

Seriously, does anyone else if d that phrase really combative? Next time I hear a woman use it In gonna confront her about it.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A confrontation can possibly lead to an argument, and you know bitches LOVE arguments.

[–]ohkcthrow 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I used it as a synonym for "ask". I agree the connotation might have made it poor word choice.

[–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I knew what you meant. But questioning something and confronting something is very different. If this was the first time I'd heard it I wouldn't have pointed it out, but its become noticable to me, which is something I don't like. Words are important. People don't realize the unintentional outcomes poor phrasing can have. People should be more aware of what they say.

[–]ohkcthrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People don't realize the unintentional outcomes poor phrasing can have. People should be more aware of what they say.

I agree with that! Had I known it would be reposted for analysis on another sub, I would have chosen my words more carefully.

[–]Luckyluke23 10 points11 points  (0 children)

people for get women LIVE in EMOTION. they LIVE IN THE MOMENT, Because of this, they will flip for from side to side like one of those inflatables at a car dealership.

This is why it's good to be grounded and know YOUR life purpose. the girls is just there on YOUR journey. if she leaves it's no big deal.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 34 points35 points  (5 children)

You know, letting a girl from a nice family who you take on dinner dates and who is sweet and LTR material... win the friendly game of badminton you're playing, isn't a terrible idea.

Letting her know you did because you want her to feel good about herself when she's with you so you can do anything from have sex with her to marry her will come off as manipulative even though it's a perfectly normal and completely vanilla thing to do.

This harpy's boyfriend basically just had that happen to him by being careless with an internet bookmark.

[–]libertypole 22 points23 points  (3 children)

your point is kind of undermined by your bad example. you shouldn't let a woman beat you in a physical activity unless it's obvious to her you're teasing her by letting her win.

[–]Eloni 5 points6 points  (0 children)

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

unless it's obvious to her you're teasing her by letting her win.

Thus my great clarifications of the kind of girl you do this for.

They know what the societal ritual is - - and even if they do, talking about courtship etiquette is itself a violation of courtship etiquette.

Again; small corollary (unless of course you're doing it in a teasing way)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like to goof around at the start and make them think they have a chance for the first 3/4ths of a game, then just dumpster then for the last quarter and let them know what happens when they mess with the warrior.

[–]EnragedParrot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

THIS!

I always have a good 50 tabs open in my browser - wife knows to not pry cause she may not like what's there. I will read ANYTHING, and she knows this (from history, to sexuality, to nature, to science, to space, to WHATEVER). Plus, if she notices a tab that "disturbs" her I say "yep, I was curious what it was all about". MY computer, MY browser, MY tabs. I would never admit to using RP, but just reading about it.

[–]GBBL 18 points19 points  (3 children)

best comment by far "I wouldnt say [trp hates women] i'd say they're scared of them because they dont understand them"

[–]jamaljabrone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fucking lol...this whole philosophy is built around the most genuine understanding of women.

[–]anti_erection_man 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I seriously can't understand why people hate the fucking living shit out of TRP. In today's time everyone is so PC and you can't say anything or hate anything or anybody, except TRP. They are all manipulative psychopaths.

This type of widespread ignorance reminds me why TRP is so good for people. It's like the small light of rationality at the end of the bullshit tunnel.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Individualism bullshit. This "everyone's special" and "be yourself" generation.

[–]someguyrunning 18 points18 points [recovered]

It's funny how she says she likes dorky guys and that she doesn't mind him going to the gym and then later says "oh, but I'd like him to go to the gym, maybe TRP can convince him to do that".

.... It's like women don't even try to not be hypocritical.

[–]ohkcthrow 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I bet you wouldn't mind your girlfriend (or plate, or whatever) making you a sandwich, but you'd probably like it if she cooked you a five star dinner from your favorite cuisine.

If he never goes to the gym in his life, I won't care. If he decided he wanted to start going with me, I'd be thrilled because that's another hobby we'd share. I'd be equally thrilled if he got into photography - I just mentioned the gym because I know TRP encourages it.

[–]EnragedParrot 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You don't even see the hypocrisy in your original statement - you've focused on something completely separate.

Clue - THIS is the hypocrisy: "maybe TRP can convince him to do that"

While you also deride TRP's as lower life forms.

[–]nantucketghost 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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[–]darkstout 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Another reason to not talk about TRP and hide all associations with PUA or game. Women will never understand what it's like to be a man. To women they just have to "be themselves," but men must always be building and improving themselves. Everything else is stagnation and death.

Now get off the net and go lift and approach!

[–]CornyHoosier 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We really need a 'Fight Club' rule 1 thing here at The Red Pill.

DON'T TALK ABOUT RED PILL

This is a place for men. We give our raw thoughts and emotions and do not sugar coat anything. We don't go on recruiting drives, we simply speak our minds to men who approach us.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, because women never preplan and practice their behavior in relationships, huh? It's not like they read magazines to learn how to attract a man... or wear tons of make-up in a deliberate effort to raise their SMV... or talk to their girlfriends about their guy. No sir. Only the evil PUAs do things like that.

Women's existence is pure hypocrisy. Even at the base level of them getting mad at lies or condemning bad things, when on a moral level they hold the least of it.

[–]J_Dizzle1000 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Damn, I can't believe he's been lying to her and tricked her into liking him. Damn misogynysts and TRP. Lolz

[–]__ROOSTER__ 11 points12 points  (4 children)

you don't need beta traits in a LTR, you need to be alpha whiteout being an asshole.

one of the biggest misconceptions is the idea that alpha=asshole or caveman or whatever else

alpha = leader

leaders can be dicks when needed but you don't build gangs and tribes that will be loyal very often that way.

its simple: be the captain of your ship. You can have a ship of slaves all the way up to a highly trusted first mate. But you are always in charge.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I think it's much like the confusion with model where being vulnerable isn't being weak or needy. Much like being the captain doesn't mean you dictate every decision only the important ones and you steer the ship away from trouble.

[–]ThrowyMcGruder 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think it's one of the biggest mistakes most women make when it comes to leadership.

A lot of them go into positions of leadership with the main focus of how much they're respected as a leader and basically become a hard-ass dictator picking on the slightest of issues.

Male leaders, in my experience, are much better at returning the respect and just acting like a co-worker until shit needs to be done. Then it's their job to decide what to do and your job to do it.

Afterwards, you just carry on like co-workers.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

THIS is exactly why i don't like working under women, and why I tell everyone I know that I don't like working under women.

[–]ThrowyMcGruder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will say that I've worked under a few fantastic female leaders, and one of the worst leaders I've had, in terms of this shit, was actually male.

Saying that, it's just much more prevalent in women.

As a funny aside, I remember the department I used to work in being told that we were getting a new team leader, and when the boss said, "Her name is...", all of the women groaned and rolled their eyes.

They'd talk all day about women being equal, if not better, than men, but an unkown woman in charge instead of an unknown man made them basically say, "Fuck!".

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Poor girl doesn't realize she's a plate yet.

Its been almost 3 months and they haven't "DTR" - determined the relationship.

[–]TRPhd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of the comments:

a place that thinks it's a mistake to apologize to women (current front page post)

My post. I'm pretty proud of myself now.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's all a frame game, my friends.

The man in question exhibits value and treats her right, but she is so shook by social proof and her own solipsism that she cannot trust her own impressions and judgment, and needs to turn to the internet for the affirmation of strangers.

You're witnessing the red pill in action. She literally has no idea how to process basic, simple facts about her interest's actions and character based on what she's heard others says about a socially-constructed boogeyman.

Hilarious, but ultimately just sad. They could have had a wonderful relationship.

[–]10xdada 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I LOVE how anti-TRP those okc people are. I had no idea. That's amazing. You guys are awesome.

"Listen to the fool's reproach! it is a kingly title!" -- William Blake

[–]ohkcthrow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hello, poster here! I'm sure I'll be downvoted immediately, but here's the kicker:

contains both alpha and beta traits

That's true of every person in the world. That ratio is different in every person in the world.

TRP aims to change that ratio toward the alpha. I happen to really like the ratio as it is in my boyfriend.

I like that he managed to match with me and ask me out. I like that he cries at Inside Out (in front of me, by the way). I like that he's hardworking at school. I would hate it if he was a gym rat.

I don't like the idea that he might want to change this ratio. If TRP got him to where he is, that's great! I don't want him to continue down the rabbit hole.

As for that "showering me with compliments" thing since day one - that specific example happened pretty early on. I've received lots of compliments from him since then; I mentioned that specific example because of the intense sincerity.

So if you want to call every person in the world a red piller because they have "both beta and alpha traits" - then yeah, I'm attracted to red pillers. No one else exists.

Edit: also, where did I mention falling "head over heels" for a "perfect, amazing" guy? You've even used quotes when they're nowhere in the post, or even in the thread! I used "amazing" to describe a single date night. He might be great so far, but I doubt he's perfect and it's only been a couple months.

I know this sub claims women change what they say, but it would help if posters here didn't make things up.

[–]Uptonogood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These people are fucking retarded for fucks sake.

Waa waa misogynist manipulators... *cries

[–]moonlandings 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Another weekly PSA to not be that guy in those threads. Do not talk about TRP on other subreddits. Most especially dont go running your mouth about how alpha and dominant you are. Everyone is going to perceive you as a pathetic, sad little keyboard warrior and they'd be right. Looking in particular at u/wont_tell_i_refuse in that thread.

[–]Kalidane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The OKC commenter has it completely backwards - I toss a coin to decide if I'm going to beat or rape today /sarcasm

JHC how do people like this manage to tie their shoe laces? Or is velcro still a thing?

[–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Notice how she didnt leave him. If being a red piller was such a big hurdle, she would've left and maintained her feminist standards. Oh that's right, when it comes to feminism vs chad - chad always wins

[–]thenarrrowpath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think its funny how everyone thinks that guys who prescribe to RP/PUA type approaches are some how robots with no emotions or feelings and everything little thing we say is scripted.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't know what they want, they think and say one thing but do another. They say we hate girls because they judge girls actual behavior to be abhorrent, whereas we just accept them how they are and like them anyway.

Planned and practiced behavior. Adorable attempt to distance himself from the jerks like me, how many pussy points will he get for that? His obese girlfriend let's him fuck her occasionally, so he must be doing something right. Everything I do is planned and practiced, some things I've been doing for 40 fucking years, improving how I do then all the time. Nobody naturally knows what girls want, some guys luck into it, but everyone has to learn. I figured out that the stuff in the sidebar worked when I was 16. That was 30 years ago. I learned through trial and error, and I managed to have some quality game going on by the time I was 25.

I can tell you one thing is certain, I wouldn't have been divorced twice and completely fucked over by the state if I'd had trp when I was a teenager. The things I was doing wrong were small, but with a huge impact, and they were all after I was fucking the girl a while. Getting them naked and fucking them was easy, keeping them around was a bit tougher for me, and for years I wanted one I could count on and trust. Now I know better that to believe they will act like I do when I care about someone, they're different in every way so expecting them to be like me isn't reality.

[–]thefisherman1961 4 points5 points  (3 children)

This guy is a smart cookie

No he isn't, he let his girlfriend find out that he's reading TRP. That's Red Pill Sin #1

[–]turn30left 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Maybe he doesn't care. She's a plate, anyway.

[–]NiceKicksGabe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I, personally, wouldn't give a fuck. I read about sex, philosophy, politics, whatever. I'm all about that knowledge. If she doesn't like that, hard next.

[–]EnragedParrot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, are you reading my mind? Get outta my head NiceKicks!

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Women hate knowing their man reads TRP because they see it as evidence that he's a beta who's been concealing his nature. They want a guy who's naturally good at it. It's Law 30 (make your accomplishments seem effortless) writ large.

Also, guy was an idiot for having it randomly bookmarked. I keep all of my bookmarks in various sub-folders to keep them organised.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they are angry at the world and women and themselves that everyone else is getting the piece of the pie they want.

Ironically this is almost accurate for me personally:

they are angry at the world and women and themselves that everyone else is getting the piece of the pie they want.

Pre TRP I always got a little bit angry at seeing people living a better lifestyle then I, never hated outside factors, or even myself though.

[–]EvigSoeger 0 points1 point  (2 children)

He's a smart cookie indeed.

This is just a stray thought: I could be wrong, but what if the solution to AFBB and a healthy, lengthy LTR is being both at the same time?

[–]redadactyl 2 points3 points  (1 child)

is being both at the same time?

Ah, Alpha Bux, The Male Unicorn.

[–]zuchit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

don't we have a rule like "you don't talk about RP" ? I feel like I read it somewhere when joining TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Redditors are the only people who know what the fuck TRP is.

All other women couldn't give a shit, as long as it's either serving the feels or getting them shinies it's life as normal.

[–]aa223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds as if he is transitioning which is good. Also "Almost boyfriend"?! It sounds like a teenager making this report. Oh well, in any case, the guy is making progress, all he needs to do is apply a little less effort to said girl and make himself more desirable then he will realize the power he holds.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My wife and I discuss Redpill regularly. I also discuss it with our sub. Just a clear way of seeing the world. Assigning values and limits to people and navigating accordingly to achieve success. There are some PUA tendencies in this sub but more and more it's about self-improvement, self-regulation, and achievement. And not limiting yourself to stupid pounded out cunts that anyone can get.

[–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A good way to get out of this is to say that you heard about this hate group and you were looking at the material to learn their tactics to call them out if you see the guys in public using them. Simple.

Funny how when you don't ever talk about the tactics and just let your actions do all the speaking, people reciprocate. Women will want to fuck you, masculine men will want to team up with you and make shit happen, and beta males will become your 'haters' to let you know that you're making some serious progress. It is, truly funny, how that works. I love having this psychological knowledge about human behavior.

[–]Bartand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its depend of their self-esteem level. But money is mostly what attract them.

[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

like scoffing when I said I liked dorky guys more than confident ones or awkward teases that might have been negs

oh sure she'd like dorks........if they have a lot of money. Sorry cupcake.......Can't Buy Me Love was Hollywood fiction!

[–]1Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing about "preplanned behavior" is particularly amusing in light of what TRP actually encourages.

Every time I see someone asking for a plan to deal with Situation X, a mod or endorsed contributor shows up and says "If you plan your shit, it'll be awkward and ineffective. Only real confidence and a clear understanding of the situation can give you an alpha response."

TRP definitely outlines shit, but the lesson, stated over and over and over again, is that you need to genuinely be confident and aware and thoughtful. It's 'learned' behavior, but it's self-aware and determined by the situation, not by some guidebook.

[–]Killigraphy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TRP is about taking the pill, which usually means nihilism towards the archaic form of courting some dame by using old-timey protocols. It means not looking like Pizza-the hut, and not sounding like Rick Moranis in Ghost Busters.

It also means accepting a few things; you will be working out, because health is far more important than the dollar menu or a burrito slammer with extra fat back. You will learn how to dress, because while Axl Rose may look like he came out of the Cunt Catalog of 1977, he's a rockstar, and you're not exactly bellowing out Sweet Child o' Mine in D Minor. And lastly, you will be ignoring the dumb rhetoric said dame is trying to spit in your ear, you are no longer the; Standby guy, hold my shit stooly, or the shoulder to cry on. You are a rogue, and should act accordingly.

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