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Field ReportUncle Vasya’s Guide to Submissive Women {NSFW-ish} (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev

TL;DR: A Field Guide For RP Men to Identifying and Handling Submissive Women.

NSFW if your HR Dept is way uptight. Your call.

[EDIT1: Added flair. Evidently I suck at flair. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.]

[EDIT2: I still suck at formatting. Let's face it there will probably be another edit or two after this one.]

[EDIT3: See? I told you there'd be another one. Added stuff to the "She's Introverted" entry.]

Body:

As a young lad, I am sure I would have been perfectly happy with PiV Vanilla Sex. As long as I got my dick wet, it was a win. But what I discovered was, even from an early age, women want me to dominate them. That has manifested itself in various ways, from a shy, teenage girl telling me "I like it that, when I'm with you, I feel like I can't just get away," to much more explicit statements from, um, less shy women.

So how does one identify such women in the wild? They don’t exactly come with signs that say “Tie me up and bone me!” or “Spank me, Daddy!”

Here are some telltale signs:

She’s Tall

Nobody likes being topped as much at tall girls. They love it because it makes them feel feminine. And the taller a girl is, the more of a lock it is that she wants to rollover on her back for you, spread her legs, and let you have your way with her. Above 5’8 it becomes noticeable and above 5’10” it’s basically a lock (so 173 CM and 178 CM for you metric guys)

She’s Feminine

She has long hair because she knows it makes her look sexy, and because she knows you will want to wrap your hands in it and pull it while you bang her, doggy-style. She wears skirts and heels so you can admire her legs and think very happy, very evil thoughts about her. She wants you to be the shot caller, not only in making decisions in everyday life, but in the bedroom also. She’s the girl that the saying, “A lady in the streets, a whore in the sheets” was made up for.

She’s Intelligent

Intelligent women are also likely to have High-Rev Hamsters. If you present as a CONFIDENT, sexually-entitled motherfucker with the SMV to back it up, she WILL drop those panties for you, and cross her wrists.

She’s Introverted

That nerd girl over there? Underneath those glasses and frumpy clothes lurks a Sex Goddess. Still waters run deep. Trust me on this one. That quiet chick on your dorm floor? If you’re walking by her room at the right moment when her b/f from home is visiting, you’re going to hear her say “Put your finger in my ass!”

I recommend negging introverted girls less (although don’t necessarily give it up entirely). Keep it to light teasing. She may be socially awkward as well, and your goal is to keep it fun, not make her feel bad about herself. The wife of a buddy of mine is painfully introverted, but I’ve known her for 20 years so she’s comfortable with me. She told me once that she loves that I will carry the convo and my jokes and stories are funny, and all “{she has} to do is ‘receive’,” to which I replied “Just like God intended.” So light humor that emphasized traditional male/female relations—she’s a buddy’s wife, so I’m not trying to bang her, but the reinforcement of traditional roles makes her feel more comfortable, as she is also Feminine (see above).

Finding introverts in the wild can be tough, as their preferred environment is an ecosystem called "Home" where they curl up with a book, play with their cat, etc. When you see a group of girls on a GNO, look for the one on the edge of the action, maybe a bit uncomfortable with her friends drinking. If it's a bachelorette party, she will be the one NOT wearing any of that cheesy bachelorette crap. She doesn't want to be there, but she wants a boyfriend, like her friends have. And she will be happy to lock a guy down, so she doesn't have to go out and meet guys anymore. My 19 y.o. plate? Introvert. Met me, liked me, didn't care that I was older, just liked that I am good at "life" and that now she's finally getting hit right. She's happy if we just hang out at my place or, on those occasions when I travel and bring her with me, staying at the hotel and posing and modeling in nothing but thigh highs, Because.Daddy.Likes.

She’s Feminist

I used to date a feminist professor (egad, I know, but bear with me on this). She happened to decide to leave her usual watering hole and wander over the road to mine. She found me having dinner and sidled up. We got to talking and drinking and I destroyed every bullshit feminist argument she made. That sent the Pussy Tingle GeneratorTM revving into the red zone. Why?

Because feminism is a Gigantic Shit Test.1 How much of their crap are we going to take, and, regrettably for them (and happily for RP Men) society is going Full Beta. Ever see a male feminist? They’re either doughy guys with manboobs well into a program of food-assisted suicide, or they are sallow-eyed, chicken-chested guys with no looks and no game who hope they are going to simp their way into some pussy. And they are thirsty as fuck.

Now for some practical tips:

Practical Tip #1: When the time is right, which is any time from "heavy flirting" to "hopping in the sack", ask a woman what her fantasy is. You're going to get two recurrent themes: "I wanna have sex with another girl," and "Tie me up!"

It was for that second one, evidently, that I learned all those knots in Boy Scouts. {Note: If, like me, you like tying girls up, you need to learn to do it right, so there is no danger of loss of circulation, etc., and also establish limits and shit so you don't wind up with legal problems; all of this is beyond the scope of this post.}

Practical Tip #2: She’s going to respond to kino more. A hand on her back while your standing and chatting, a hand on her upper arm, guiding her when you’re walking somewhere she might slip (on stairs, on wet or icy pavement), especially in heels.

Practical Tip #3: She is going to shit test the fuck out of you. Why? Because she’s going to be giving up basically all of her power, once the panties come off. That has to be scary as fuck for a woman. So she has to make SURE that you are worthy of her submission. So your job must be to….

Practical Tip #4: Maintain frame. Unruffled, unperturbed, solid as steel. One girl I am plating, back before I converted her from a prospect to a plate, responded to some teasing by me by exclaiming (but not as a serious threat), “I’m going to kick you in the balls!” How to reply? This is how it went:

Me: “While I’m pleased that you are thinking about my balls, you will not harm them. You will admire them, caress them, gently, cup them, lick them and kiss them. You will take them into your mouth and suck them. You will treat them lovingly, in all ways. Because your future is inside them.”2

Her: “You know you have a way of taking something I should find disgusting and making it sound really appealing!”

Practical Tip #5: Introduce the idea of her submission to you into the conversation—I do this anyway, because, as a late 40s guy who dates/mates/plates young women, I have to sexualize the convo early, blind them with ‘shiny objects’ as it were. I tell girls I am going to blindfold them and tie them up the first time we have sex. I tell them I will caress them to near madness, until they are moving their hips in frantic little circles and thrusting up towards me, until they are BEGGING for release. And then, when I decide it, I will climax them until they BEG to be permitted to stop, or they pass out. I may also often add that once they are recovering, I will lean down close to their ears and whisper, “And now I will TAKE what is MINE!” and then take my pleasure with them.

Pussy Tingle Generator Level: MELTDOWN.

Now, what actually happens is dependent very much on what the individual woman is capable of (75%) and that the man knows what the fuck (literally) he’s doing (25%), but submissive girls find this scenario incredibly erotic. It absolves them of any responsibility. They’re tied up. They can be completely free with their sexuality, and let their libidos run amok. Anything that happens isn’t ‘their fault’. Is she screaming at you to jackhammer her through the mattress? Not her fault. You had her tied up, you brute, you.

Practical Tip #6: Set the right tone. This can be light flirting—after I set the time and coordinates of a first meeting (or second if I neglected it the first time), I will add “Wear some pretty underwear for me.” That invariably gets a giggle. I had some dates with a 6’ model type. When the clothes came off, she was wearing some lacey thong confection for my viewing pleasure.

Note: Not only does she have the TALL indicator in spades, she was also feminine, not only in style but in behavior. She was demure and followed my lead, and starting from our first date, if she wanted another drink (as an example) she would ask my permission. This is a Good Sign.

Once a sexual relationship has been established, you can take it farther. Remember the feminist professor chick? I would sometimes be called upon to attend faculty functions with her as her “CISGender White Penis-Carrier Companion Person”, or whatever shit is in vogue with the PC liberal fucktard crowd.

Of course, I would keep my Neanderthal opinions to myself—not fair to fuck with someone where they work, etc. But before we would leave the house, she would present herself for my inspection. So I would eyeball her and then say, “Panties” and she would remove her panties, and I would put them in my pocket and I would walk around the faculty mixer thing with her panties in my pocket.3 It was a (not very) subtle remind to her Who Was Boss.

Incidentally, she did not, of course, believe most of the shit she had to babble at work. I never called her out on it in public, but at home, once we crossed the threshold to the bedroom and she morphed into a submissive little sex kitten for me, I would tell her what a little fraud she was, and what would her leftoid co-workers think if they saw me railing her out and her loving it.

Pussy Tingle Generator Level: NIAGARA FALLS.

1 It is also a trade union for fugly girls, but since we don’t want to bang fugly girls we can disregard that, for purposes of this discussion.

2 She’s 25 and is early-stage Baby Rabies. Not enough to be a problem, but enough that the merest suggestion that I might let one of my swimmers get her makes her giddy.

3 Unless it was Shark Week. That would be wrong.

Conclusions

  1. Submissive girls are fun.

  2. Properly handled, they will be highly ornamental and a tremendous aid in relaxation.

  3. If you watch for the signs and maintain frame through the snowstorm of shit tests, the rewards can be great. Read the body of this post for helpful tips.


[–]sundaybrunch11 142 points143 points  (20 children)

"Feminism is a gigantic shit test and a trade union for fugly girls." I'm so gonna use this.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (18 children)

Caution: humble brag commencing- I'm a feminist slayer. All of them start off with that shit and after a date there is neither sight nor sound of any feminist concept out of her. Keep your game tight and women will naturally submit themselves to you.

[–]ILoveSunflowers 24 points25 points  (11 children)

No way I would date a woman who I knew to be a feminist. Not worth the risk of unruly body hair

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

N.B. The feminist professor chick was smooth and bare downstairs.

[–]ILoveSunflowers 6 points7 points  (6 children)

good times, my friend is dating a hippie feminist chick with hairy armpits and it's so fucking revolting

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Egad. That's a Next-able offense, AFAIAC.

I don't know who took them all aside in the early 90s and convinced them to lose the beaver pelts, but that guy is awesome.

[–]ILoveSunflowers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, women with body hair make my penis soft. I think it was porn that did it, porn went smooth and then people followed suit

[–]suuupreddit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I made a girl cry once because she had hairy armpits. Naturally, this was right after her indignant rant about how I've been socialized and trained into keeping gender roles alive.

Damn right. Cry away, crazy chick.

[–]ILoveSunflowers 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think chicks with intentionally hairy armpits are always crying on the inside.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you lead they will follow, any chick with body hair Ive been with got rid of it immediately.

[–]Damascene_2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are closet butch dykes and then there are the mass media fed types that just use the label as the brand name it is (designed to sell products like Oprah or Beyonce more than anything).

The latter don't really want to be men and it's wonderful for them when you free them from that burden of having to placate proglodyte societal engineering.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Caution: humble brag commencing- I'm a feminist slayer

Feminists are the easiest F-Closes in existence, if you know how to maintain frame. All you have to do is disagree with them and hold your ground unemotionally, like you are explaining how the real world works to a misguided child.

The trick is to learn how to differentiate between "shit test" feminists and "fucking crazy" feminists.

[–]NiceTryDisaster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Feminists are the easiest F-Closes in existence

Disagree. Single mothers are the easiest lays. Not the the two are mutually exclusive.

[–]fcjnews 3 points3 points [recovered]

All you have to do is disagree with them and hold your ground unemotionally, like you are explaining how the real world works to a misguided child.

How much explanation do you actually give when you are disagreeing? A lot of OP articles say not to even try to lower yourself to having to explain/debate her because that sinks you to their level. Could you maybe give an example of how you do it?

[–]peoplearejustpeople9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem with "not stooping down to their level" is that the feminist will believe you're not capable of saying she's wrong. You could put on the best quiet dignity performance ever but people only see the outside not the inside of a person.

The way I start out is by saying if it was about equal rights shouldn't it be called equalism? Why is an entire gender left out of the name? Then I just say anyone with any common sense could see feminism is just a fad and ploy for attention from childish women.

Put a glint in your eye and insinuate that she is dumb for buying into it. And let her steer the conversation into how she's not a child and how she has adult tastes in sexuality etc. Really simple stuff especially because it's so out in the open.

Other tests are much harder to even notice like her asking you to do stuff for her no matter how minor.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% agreed , its all a shit test and they submit to a strong lead.

Nothing a woman says is true

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Please do. I picked both of those up from the Manosphere. It's something you know is true, subconsciously, but when someone actually says it, it's like a flashbulb going off.

That is also basically why I wrote this post. I commented in another thread that tall girls are often very submissive and another user basically said that, once I posted that, it became clear to him.

I get a lot of submissive girls--exclusively, really--hence this post.

[–]mrrooftops 50 points51 points  (5 children)

Word of warning, girls who show submission very early can also be using it as a shit test. I find it quite prevalent with -some- central and eastern European girls. It's reverse psychology; they show the guy 'submission' and if he lets down his guard because he thinks he can relax then out he goes.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I think one of the core parts of frame is that you really don't ever relax. Once maintaining frame and domineering the conversation is ingrained into you, it becomes your relaxed state.

We have all learned in both our lives and through examples on this sub that any girl, really, will monkey branch to the next available dick the instant you let yourself revert to your old beta self; as a result we must strive to become the suave motherfucker we all envision ourselves as in a way that our natural response IS to maintain frame and to subjugate the shit tests.

[–]setzer_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think one of the core parts of frame is that you really don't ever relax. Once maintaining frame and domineering the conversation is ingrained into you, it becomes your relaxed state.

THIS THIS THIS. Who I am today

[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

a very different kind of submission IMO

sexual submission is very different than the deferance women of some cultures display.

[–]mrrooftops 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is overlap. The same could be said in the bedroom too.

[–]FG_SF 49 points49 points [recovered]

"I like it that, when I'm with you, I feel like I can't just get away,"

Not that she's in any danger, mind you. It's just the implication

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The implication that things could go wrong for her if she says no right? But of course she's not gonna say no because of the implication.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

It's ALL about The Feelz & Tingles.

That was with a teenage girl, when I was a teenager myself. In fact, she was a year older than I was (18 to my 17). She likely didn't have a clear idea expressed in her head, but like I said, Feelz & Tingles.

[–]teeelo 6 points7 points  (2 children)

This is a quote from 'It's always sunny in Philadelphia' Google 'the implication' on YouTube.

He's just messing with ya.

[–]tomonome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol the joke is that implying the possibility of rape is bad. That's why it's funny. Bc rape is obviously bad.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, ok. I don't watch much TV. Never saw that show, let alone that clip.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am a huge fan of developing a healthy narrative, and you seem to be able to develop one.

I also enjoy having them beg for what they want and describe it for me. They get all red faced and god damnit it drives me wild when they get all red-in-the-face ashamed while begging for it.

[–]trpftw 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I feel like that's dangerous though.

I don't know how I would apply things like absolving her of her responsibility in the bedroom. If she ever regrets or gets angry at you for some reason, she can then claim "you forced her" in bed. I could see this backfiring horribly for someone who takes this advice and starts being very aggressive and the girl becomes serious about not wanting to have sex or becomes seriously regretful after sex and you already created all this "absolution of responsibility" so it's not her fault right?

[–]onepill_twopill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1lc6KASWg
This is what hes referring to

[–]Nycredpilldad 59 points60 points  (16 children)

Submissive girls will glow in the dark with a little light over their head blinking PICK ME in morse code if your game & attitude are tight.

I am a guy who usually attracts these types, & if you are faking the funk boys, they'll know it.

[–]rickyTiqee 15 points15 points [recovered]

faking the funk boys

What does it mean, to fake funk boys?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Try to project self-confidence, while actually having none.

[–]woefulwank[🍰] 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Try to project self-confidence, while actually having none.

Which many subscribers here will be doing...

[–]All-DayErrDay 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Which is not a bad thing. People are here for a reason.

[–]woefulwank[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's essential. Not all men have the natural poise or stoicism that one would wish for.

You're only as confident as you can be, so when you are naturally lacking one must fake it. Simple as. But yet not all that simple...

[–]wallst07 5 points5 points [recovered]

[–]rurpe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He hasn't learned to use commas and you have not learned anything from your English classes. "Faking the funk" is a "figure of speech"

If you are faking the funk, boys, they'll know it

or

Bros, if you are faking the funk, they'll know it

[–]pilledwillingly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Add a comma: 'If you're faking the funk, boys, they'll know it.'

[–]trpftw -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

& if you are faking the funk boys, they'll know it.

This doesn't make any sense. How would they "know it"? How would they know you fake self-confidence? What does this have to do with submissive girls, are dominant girls unable to detect fake confidence?

Submissive girls will glow in the dark with a little light over their head blinking PICK ME in morse code if your game & attitude are tight.

How so? I don't understand what you said or how you think this helps anyone who "doesn't have the game or attitude".

What is this magical "game and attitude" that makes women light up. What morse code are you referring to?

Do you always talk this cryptically and vaguely? Is this part of the "game"?

[–]__ROOSTER__ 5 points6 points  (4 children)

sexually submissive girls have most likely been with a few "Doms" and in the end wrapped most of them around their little fingers.

They WANT a really dominant man, but they doubt you'll be one for real in the end. They HOPE you will be, they just don't believe it as they've seen lot of fakes.

After a few hundred approaches by phonies and a few relationships with less obvious phonies they will develop a sense, hence the being able to "know it"

Remember a chick on a dating site as an example gets 100 messages a day, every day. A sexually submissive girl even at a young age has already tried a dozen "Doms". If you think you're going to come out of vanilla land and pull the wool over her eyes you're probably very mistaken.

I pull lots of very young hot girls from from the Fetish world, the stories they have about guys are atrocious.

[–]trpftw 3 points4 points  (1 child)

After a few hundred approaches by phonies and a few relationships with less obvious phonies they will develop a sense, hence the being able to "know it"

Somehow I doubt this. This seems like someone who is a slut and has tons of experiences and has a keen sense of understanding roles of submissiveness and dominance.

Women don't see the world that way. They see it as back and forth of control of a relationship. Dominance vs submission.

If you're dominant all the time, and then one time, you decide to let her pick a restaurant or that you forget frame and you let her make a decision or something, doesn't mean suddenly she has detected a fake and will immediately smell it and eject you. These are not machines that perfectly understand everything.

If you suddenly go from alpha wolf who dominates everything to being a wishy washy nice little beta... that becomes pretty obvious though. Like she'll think "somethings up with him... i feel like he's such a wuss..." But she won't be defining it as "hmm he has suddenly become submissive... this must mean he is less of a man."

Most women are completely oblivious to how we see things that we do in TRP. And Most men they meet will undoubtedly not be TRP-trained or that dominant anyway in this modern age.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

who picks a restaurant has nothing to do with dominance. Who controls who picks, does.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

what advice would you give to me? I'm 90% vanilla. I have a very dominant personality at work and in my social life. In the bedroom I like intimacy.

I just started seeing a 100% sub girl. she looks up to me and likes when I'm rough with her. She looks up to me. The first time we were together, I was very rough with her and she lapped it up. Second time, I was a little less and she started shit testing me after. Since we were not in the bedroom, I had a very dominant response to all her tests and now I'm going to see her again tomorrow night.

I know that if I'm not a true dom in the bedroom at least most of the time, this isn't going to last. I think I know how to talk like a dom and go through the motions, but honestly it doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't turn me on. I can make her a submissive little puddle of pussy juice and I will be completely limp. Once I get her to start kissing me intimately, I'll get hard. Am I just vanilla through and through? explain how being dom gets you hard? What is it you like about it? Do you watch BD porn?

[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no I try to not watch porn at all. Its in you or its not, probably.

Read, read, read. You may find that a certain exact aspect of it turns you on but other parts don't.

its hard for me to imagine having a hot girl crawl across the room and beg for it not making a guy hard :-)

One thing is submissives don't get to be passive. Command them to be active in their submission.

Tell them to do what you want and like. Take what you want and like.

If they like giving what you want and they like what you take you have a good match. Your job isn't to pretend to Dom them in the way they like and you don't.

[–]ChadThundercockII 48 points49 points  (4 children)

Ok freak bitches. Who is going to do a Red Pill BDSM guide?

[–]rurpe 22 points23 points  (2 children)

If you ever manage to have sex with a woman, it could be you!

[–]enkae7317 14 points15 points  (1 child)

But hes Chad Thundercock. He's having sex with your mother right this second.

[–]ChadThundercockII 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Bruuuh he is basically my step son now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BDSM is already really Red Pill.

[–]no_horse_girls 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I don't have a lot to add to this thread besides the fact that it makes me horny

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I love post like these something I can immediately use instead of inner game stuff

[–]whats_the_deal22 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Any advice for ropes and knots? I have a 19 yo plate that loves it but I don't have much experience with it yet.

[–]NameOfAction 8 points9 points  (2 children)

YouTube is a great resourse for this. Safety is paramount. A good video emphasizes this. Touch her hands, or whatever body part is bound, often. If they arent warm as they should be, its time to untie. If theyre cold, move quickly. You really dot want to ve responsible for someone loosing thier hand. If shes in a really submissive headspace she cant say what she needs. You have to take care if her.

Get some rope sissors for bondage. They have one tip that is blunted and bent over so you can get in between rope and flesh for emergencies.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Safety is paramount.

This cannot be emphasized enough.

Touch her hands, or whatever body part is bound, often.

I would only add to visually surveil them as well.

If shes in a really submissive headspace she cant say what she needs. You have to take care if her.

As the dom, you are responsible for your sub.

Get some rope scissors for bondage. They have one tip that is blunted and bent over so you can get in between rope and flesh for emergencies.

Also great advice.

[–]NopeToThe47th 0 points1 point  (0 children)

rope scissors are also labelled EMT Shears - they cut through clothes great too.

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There's a youtube channel up called something like two knotty boys. It's a gay dude's video feed on how to tie knots. Some you learned in Boy Scouts, others have very specific applications. The videos themselves just show you how to tie knots, but given the context it might not be SFW.

[–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TwoKnottyBoys are amazing. They have 2 books I recommend getting. Tremendous aid in learning knots. Also their videos are great.

[–]rurpe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Avoid tying on joints (elbows, ankles, knees)

[–]unmeilleurmoi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The best thing you can do is buy bondage tape and forget about ropes and knots until you've mastered them on your own time. Bondage tape is well priced and it's FAST to use properly. It's self-adhesive only and easy to cut and tear through. What you want to know about the tape is, always keep it flat, don't let it roll up. Rolling up can dig in, cut circulation, etc. if you keep it fat and flat you won't have problems.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

good idea.

They are mostly just coban bandages.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as has already been said look on youtube or get a book. Its also paramount you buy some actual bondage rope, its too easy to burn someone with the wrong rope.

Practice tying stuff around your own wrist and ankle etc and around stuff at home like chairs.

Stick with simple with a girl the first times. Like a simple wrist to ankles or something. Make it looser than you think it needs to be, the number of wraps is what makes it secure, not the tension.

[–]RPmatrix 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Uncle V you've hit a number of important nails on the head in this post but here's the most salient in my opinion:

It absolves them of any responsibility.

Bingo!

They’re tied up. They can be completely free with their sexuality, and let their libidos run amok. Anything that happens isn’t ‘their fault’. Is she screaming at you to jackhammer her through the mattress? Not her fault. You had her tied up, you brute, you.

And you don't even need to use physical restraints when you "tie her up with words", like this:

“I’m going to kick you in the balls!”

How to reply? This is how it went:

Me: “While I’m pleased that you are thinking about my balls, you will not harm them. You will admire them, caress them, gently, cup them, lick them and kiss them. You will take them into your mouth and suck them. You will treat them lovingly, in all ways. Because your future is inside them.”2

Her: “You know you have a way of taking something I should find disgusting and making it sound really appealing!”

haha! This is what's called Great Game and everything ITT is a great example of why Great Game is what it's All about .... meeting and greeting is one thing, getting a fuck isn't that hard either, But having a woman desperate to get into your pants can be extremely gratifying in so many ways!

Great post brother Vaisily, I've already pm'd it to a young guy I'm mentoring who sent me a pm an hour ago asking me to call him to 'discuss game' ... talk about perfect timing! lol.

[–]PedroIsWatching 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The no responsibility thing is the reason 50 shades of grey was written, and the author readily admits it.

[–]dxfifa 13 points14 points  (7 children)

There's another level of submissive girl that if you establish total dominance immediately they are like jelly. The main difference in the ones i'm talking about is there's not the shit test barrage that others give, they're so attracted to dominance they submit without challenge

[–]probpoopin 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Yep, I got one. Few shit tests in the beginning. Passed with flying colors. Now, there is no question who is the boss and what is expected of her. She is submissive and I'm dominant. One thing I've found to work well on her also, because she is kind of a nympho, is to deny her sex once a month or so when she really wants it. Kinda shows idgaf, and it keeps the ball in my court. She knows she can't get her way or use sex against me, so she doesn't even try. She is about an hb6 or 7. I'm sure she has been able to get almost anything she wants by using sex against other guys. She figured out long ago that shit won't work on me and I haven't been shit tested in months. In the beginning it was plain as day she was shit testing me to see if she could use sex against me and get things she wanted. However, the minute you start giving in to and showing her that she can own you by rationing sex, you are in beta land and the sex is about to stop anyways because she wants an alpha dick. Not some schmuck who let's her run the show to get laid.

[–]dxfifa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Spot on. And if they do anything resembling a shit test it's almost certainly just a roleplay/tease thing. they want you to put them in their place but generally they also like being treated nice so they're very hard to fail tests

[–]boredguy93 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just curious how you go about denying her sex on them monthly occasions. I've tried it but then it turns into explaining things to a child "Why, Why, Why?" and I come off as a grumpy old man whos weird for not wanting sex.

[–]probpoopin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is more of just not letting them know you like sex as much as they do. In reality, I live having sex. It's just playing the long game. I can turn her down or say I'm busy when I start getting sexy texts. Sure, I might pass up sex once a month or so, but in the overall l scope of things, I get it more than most people I know in ltr's. I was pretty beta in my early twenties and let a couple relationships own me because I let them know they could get away with using sex to get what they want and I let it work. That makes you seem like a thirsty chump and you are gonna get beta'd quick. She will see she can control you, lose respect because of it even though she is the one doing it. Using sex as a weapon in a relationship is one of the biggest shit tests out there. Do not fail it!

[–]RPMahoutsukai 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Shit tests or not, a proper submissive girl will not submit randomly "without challenge". A shit rest, really, is a failure at judging a person in a natural way. Modern date hardly provides good way to test if a man really is a man - he doesn't have to make tough decisions, face dangers, get out of harsh situations etc. How does she know you're a proper man? She shit tests you. But if she's experienced, or the environment provides for it, she can have enough input to judge you without creating artificial problems (shit-tests).

If a girl surrenders to your dominance - well, you may have already proven your worth with your behavior, your frame, your "aura" sort of. Or she may be stupid, the kind of girl that ends up with an abusive husband.

[–]jdozebom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True. No idea what that other guy is talking about. Although to be fair, these girls are very rare and often equally promiscuous.

[–]David949 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nice post. You are right about the tall chicks and the feminine ones. The submissive types do like to be tied up.

For those who are not good with knots get a under the bed restraints. It's great for play strapping her down as you walk around the bed teasing her

[–]Downvotesohoy 6 points7 points  (4 children)

While I’m pleased that you are thinking about my balls, you will not harm them. You will admire them, caress them, gently, cup them, lick them and kiss them. You will take them into your mouth and suck them. You will treat them lovingly, in all ways. Because your future is inside them

That's one of the most Patrick Bateman kind of things I've ever read. The only reason she reacted positively to that is because she was already into you, a lot. IMO.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

yes and no

yes she had to be into him in some way, but the act of verbalizing a picture is a very powerful technique. A woman cannot help but imagine what you are saying and as we know a woman has to visualize herself as the actor.

[–]Downvotesohoy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sure, but you could have said "Kick them? No, lick them? Yes." Without coming off as a "It puts the lotion in the basket" kind of guy.

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably just because it's typed in weirdly. I've said tons of outlandish shit that sounds ridiculous on paper but not in person.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only reason she reacted positively to that is because she was already into you, a lot.

Oh, yes indeed. And I knew it. Timing is everything. The bit about her future also helped, as she is early stage Baby Rabies, at the moment. I don't think it came off 'Patrick Bateman' at all, b/c the delivery was much more light condescension and less the "voice inside your head" delivery of Christian Bale in that flick.

[–]astrokidd 9 points9 points [recovered]

"{NSFW-ish}"

This entire subreddit is NSFW. Don't open this subreddit at work.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Confirmed. They're getting boys to pledge themselves to feminism in school now. I'd imagine TRP is somewhere on the terrorist watch-list.

[–]panopticake 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Great post. I feel this will assist me and i thank you. I share much of your tastes and although i haven't quite gotten this far, the journey is in motion. A few days ago i had a girl confessing her prefs to me on the street, a year ago these would have sent me running(and maybe puking). Now i caught myself pondering if it wasn't something i should at least try as the dominating aspects of it pull at me.

And while it it might not be ontopic-TRP, i would appreciate if you would elaborate on the "beyond the scope of this post" ropings.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

And while it it might not be ontopic-TRP, i would appreciate if you would elaborate on the "beyond the scope of this post" ropings.

The purpose of my post was to put together the mental aspects. I actually prefer leather restraints, to avoid rope-related injuries. You can also uses a necktie to accomplish the same thing, without ligature-related issues. For me, since basically every woman I bang is submissive, it made sense for me to get some leather restraints, so I did.

I had a plate who was Tall, Feminine & Introverted (so yeah, I totally knew going in), who would sleep tied-up (and blindfolded) when she was with me. You can't do that safely with ropes. Another advantage is, while she's not going to slip them, she can be freed, instantaneously, if it becomes necessary.

Another fun thing to do, particularly with extroverted subs, is to say "Struggle for me", and watch her try, unsuccessfully to free herself. They will often say something after they have tested their bonds to the effect that they're really helpless. If they don't, then you should, and add "...and I can do whatever I want to you."

And tingle, tingle, tingle goes the vag...

[–]unassuming_aussie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Neckties are a great intro for a girl who's nervous about being restrained. I wear a suit and tie for work and always keep a couple of 'spare' ties in the car. I save the rope and TENS machine as a surprise for later lol.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

How do you introduce yourself to them in the first place? Any advice? Are all girls submissive?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

They find me. I'm a bruiser: 6'1+ and look like I break legs for a living. I sometimes joke that my hands were made for crushing skulls, not tapping on a smart phone.

The approach is like any approach. I sexualize the convo relatively early (as an older guy, with younger women, you have to do this early on), and eventually I work things into the convo. If a girl shit tests me, I tell her to be careful or she's going to get a spanking. Then I add, "Of course, you're going to get a spanking, anyway" to which I may add "in the 'fun, sexy' way," if she's a bit skittish.

Are all girls submissive? I have no idea. The ones who dig me are. I am sure there are some who are not, but if a girl wants some little Timmy Half-a-Fag, then she passes me up, anyway.

They will drop hints, of course. For example, the girl with whom I had the "You will treat my balls lovingly" had earlier on in our interactions expressed a 'fear' that I might 'kidnap' her. It could see the frisson of pleasure go through her when she said it. So I Agreed & Amplified: "You have clearly figured out my Evil Plan. I AM going to kidnap you, carry you off, and do with you EXACTLY as I please...and you're going to LOVE every second of it!" You have to keep a light/sexy/fun vibe, and avoid "serial killer".

Once some level of comfort is established, as I wrote, I will also ask a girl what her Most Secret, Deepest, Darkest, Greasiest Little Fantasy is. One of the top two is, universally, "Tie me up!"

Good luck.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks for the reply, but how do you approach in the first place? What kind of environment are you in that girls approach you? I'm 6'2, I'd say I'm pretty well built, yet nothing....

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You approach like any other approach. I know a tall girl is, odds on, going to be submissive. Other things you learn about them as you go.

When I say, "they find me" I mean that little sub girls don't weed me out, they think, "FINALLY! A guy who gets it!" and I'm on the express train to Pound Town.

Take what you've learned from the "Practical Tip" section and then go approach like a motherfucker.

[–]throwaway-aa2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is a month ago but you should write more on this subject.

You know also... I've always been highly attracted to taller girls and I think now that you've said this, is the reason why.

Do you ever go up to them and just be like "hi, you're tall" or do you game them normally like other girls and never bring it up? There are not nearly enough posts about guys who are dominant or who are trying to become more dominant and how your game is or should be when you go up to women. I'm not a bruiser (5"9 - 5"10) but I am trying to get bigger because I feel like my personality is very much that of a dominant and I love submissive women and I love dominating them.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You put into words some of what I did to an old plate. She melted in my hands and damn near cried because circumstances prevented us from having sex until the third date.

I'm still amazed at how easy this is.

[–]trpftw -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm still amazed at how easy this is.

Looks matter a lot too though. I wouldn't consider obtaining those looks as easy, nor is the approaching part.

[–]hebola4lyfe 7 points8 points  (6 children)

“I’m going to kick you in the balls!” How to reply? This is how it went:

Me: “While I’m pleased that you are thinking about my balls, you will not harm them. You will admire them, caress them, gently, cup them, lick them and kiss them. You will take them into your mouth and suck them. You will treat them lovingly, in all ways. Because your future is inside them.”2

Her: “You know you have a way of taking something I should find disgusting and making it sound really appealing!”

yeah ... this didnt happen

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Actually, it very much did. That said, I am not running a religion, and thus your belief is not required.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

basketball swish sound effect

[–]throwaway-aa2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's the thing: whether he's lying or not, similar shit has been said many, many times for guys of his stature. I've said similar even. It's one of those things that has to be witnessed to be believed, or you dgaf and you just start saying shit and you see how the girl responds.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said something similar to this last night, in a creepy psycho tone and the girl fucking lapped it up and purred.

I can 100% believe this happened.

[–]NiceTryDisaster 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Blue pill confession:

When I was a teenage bluepill guy, the girl asked me to squeeze her breasts as hard as I can and to bite her nipples till they bleed. She outright showed her dissatisfaction for me not being rough on her.

Stupid me told her, that it would hurt her and that I cannot do something like that. Because women=angels & goddesses for me back then. Sigh, I cringe at it everytime I think of it.

Anyways #offmychest

[–]throwaway-aa2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

noooooo

lol I feel your pain dude. I love how you look back on experiences and you're like "Fuck".....

one of my girlfriends told me to rip off her panties... I told her "eh I don't feel like it".... FUCK

[–]PedroIsWatching 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can vouch for the tall one. Briefly dated a girl just shy of 6 feet tall, which put her a couple of inches taller than me. Would constantly shit-test the height issue but those were easy enough to deflect (even in my pre-RP days). If I even got the slightest bit dominant with her (pinned her hands down, pushed her up against a wall, nothing too exciting) she would turn to putty.

[–]Damascene_2014 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love this post man, and it's definitely in line with my own experiences in the early 40's.

Middle managers that are tired of men submitting to them and now I'm getting this with with a 5'8" model myself. Redpill has been excellent for me.

[–]moontripper1246 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've wanted to have this skill, of picking out submissive women and dominating them, since I was 12. I've done it a few times by accident. Her physical Traits match you description. But I don't think she was a feminist. She was german though. Anyways, I need to say thanks. I've been stagnating in my game recently after having gotten yelled at by a plate for the first time. It scared me and shook me quite a bit. But this reminded me what I got into this for. And now I have a new goal. An old goal really. A new burning desire to push me when shit gets tough. So thanks, you've helped put fire under my ass.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happy to help. It's valuable to remember to "watch what she does" rather than "listen to what she says". Your plate who yelled may (or may not) have been bratting to get you to discipline her. Or not. You are in a better position to judge than I am.

I had a plate who LOVED to "brat", b/c she knew I would really take it out on her ass, later, and she really got hot from physical correction.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

“While I’m pleased that you are thinking about my balls, you will not harm them. You will admire them, caress them, gently, cup them, lick them and kiss them. You will take them into your mouth and suck them. You will treat them lovingly, in all ways. Because your future is inside them.”

You did not say this, and if you did, you'd be laughed at and swerved unless your SMV was off the charts or she was a fugly.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Not only did I say it, basically verbatim, it was received precisely as I indicated.

Now, you are free to believe as you choose, but I am going to treat this as a "teachable moment", b/c that's why I'm here, to help younger guys.

So how was I able to say something this obtuse and get away with it and have her, in fact, dig it?

  1. I have internalized, as every RP Man should, that I am the prize. I have a Great, Big Pair of Brass Balls that go "KLANK!" when I walk.

  2. We had built up a rapport. She is used to me being confident/arrogant. It's not like I used this on an approach (indeed, she brought up the subject of my balls in the first place; I merely riffed of of that.)

  3. Timing/Delivery is EVERYTHING. She's in early stage Baby Rabies, as I said. That's also part of why the line was an Ace--the last bit about her future. She is looking around for a place to nest and regards me as husband material.

  4. Fugly? She's a former print model. To me she's a hard 8, but to most guys she's a 9. A bit on the short side for me--that's why she's a print model.

See, here is the problem 99% of skeptics have. Don't worry about me; I have nothing to prove. But internalize the lesson.

[–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"men dont realize what they are about not to have"

They wont believe, as not believing it protect their egos

Until you believe you can say and do these things you never will be able to.

[–]fcjnews 1 points1 points [recovered]

What did you say to get the kick you in the balls line?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She had brought up the "kidnapping" bit again, which is how her pussy tingles were manifesting in her brain. It's a lot like how a woman says "We're not having sex tonight" and that really means that she's thinking about having sex with you.

So in this case, "you might kidnap me" really meant that the idea that I might grab her, take her to my secluded lair under Stately Wayne Manor and have my way with her was raising the humidity level in her panties to "Tsunami" levels.

More specifically, I think I was riffing on the theme by asking her what exactly she though she would do if I did kidnap her so she said "Kick you in the balls and run!" even though she really meant, "Spread my legs wider for you and scream "FUCK ME HARDER!'"

So, what was I trying to accomplish? First, what message wash she trying to get across with the 'kidnap' bit? Her female hindbrain is desperately trying to get past her fembot programming and signal to me this message: "I want to submit! I want your big cock in my pussy as far as it will go, you big brute! I want you to fuck a baby into me that will be tall, confident, creative and smart, like you! Give me your seed!" The problem being that, even if this thought is actually in her conscious mind, she's not going to say it, b/c what if I think she's a slut? But if I kidnap her, and she's alone, isolated, helpless, hopefully tied up in my bed, then I might do Whatever The Fuck I Want with her. Her Hindbrain: "Oh, did I say 'Fuck'? Now there's an idea..."

A woman is just not very likely to say "Hey...You. Me. Bedroom. Now" until after you've railed her out enough times so she's comfortable, so she has to create some narrative in her head where she still gets fucked but it's not her 'fault'. Put another way, no romance novel starts with "I told him to stop, and he did." I simply re-purposed her narrative and pulled her into my frame, where she has now accepted the idea of loving my balls with her mouth as appealing...which really, she should.

You guys realize that the stuff I'm giving you here is Pure Gold, right?

[–]donttellthefamily 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Took me few years to realize that my wife didn't like it when she told me to go slow and listen to her instructions to get her off, even though that's what she said she liked. She liked it when I held her down a railed the absolute shit out of her.

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[–]TrimHer -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Great post, here's a question. What would you do if her fantasy was to be gangbanged? Or cuck you.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Next her. That's not my thing.

Unless she wants to get gangbanged by the Dallas Cowboys' Cheerleaders, in which case, I'm down.

[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get a good buddy and eiffel tower the plate.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Sounds like a shit load of work.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Welcome to the world of women.

But remember that even reading was a lot of work for you once, and now you do it without thinking. Just takes some a fuckload of practice.

[–]ubrayj02 1 points1 points [recovered]

What I meant was, "Getting submissive women sounds like a shit load of work."

It's like a kink tax.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

as someone recently experimenting with this, it's so much fun that it's worth it. I'm not sure I can go back. Now I would rather a submissive HB5 than an HB9 full of attitude.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

No wonder the women I've dated where are under 5'4 and they were bitchy and I can't really date women that are taller than me. I'm 5 foot 6

[–]xfLyFPS 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Stop that shit. That mental habit is harmful, you must always aim higher, literally in this case. Go get that 5'10 girl. Stop with the excuses, excuses are for betas.

For example, Putin is 5'6 or 5'7 and he creates an alpha image of himself. "If you're under 6 feet, swipe left" is merely a shit test. It's going to be harder as a manlet but you can still do it. Better yet, act like being 5'6 is better than being 6'2, never cry about your height.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

So much work for pussy. Who cares what she likes. Fuck her hard.

[–]Milito3515 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, baby, it's in the bag!