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Red Pill ExampleJezebel reader takes the red pill (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by MCgrandRoyal

Summary: Some golden quotes from "SarahEmCee" after reading a Jezebel article on men's age preferences (20 year olds). I took a look at her post history, and it's post-wall gold.

"Oh I have nothing but contempt for them. It’s a wasteland out there for single 30+ women, unless they’re into men their dads’ age."

"Yes, social capital does decrease with age for women and it decreases especially fast if she’s not married."

"Knowing that my dog and cat need me is what keeps me from offing myself, too, but it’s less of an “I can’t give up!” feeling and more like, “I am trapped.” Once they’re dead I’ll be free to die, too."

"Maybe the kids + husband combo is what causes the drudgery, because as a single person with only a couple single girlfriends left (the majority of the married ones are either parents or expecting babies), my life is far from awesome. Daily life is drudgery and there’s no shoulder to cry on, no partner to share good times with, no safety or security. I missed your original comment so if you are dealing with abuse/neglect then I really do feel for you."

"I’d have said the same thing before I found myself single at 31. In men’s minds, there absolutely IS a wall. Just browse some of their dating profiles to see all the 35 year olds seeking women aged 21-34. By mid-30s, the pool is almost dried up. The men who want partnerships with women got into them by that point and are either married or soon-to-be-married. The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers, OR, as old as my dad. Your words may feel pleasant and comforting to you but in the real world, being a single woman over 30 with even the most basic of standards is like being stuck at the bottom of the bargain bin at the grocery store."

"The downside to increasing my anti-depressant dosage and not crying all the time anymore is that ... I’m not crying at all so the anger, frustration and hopelessness is just boiling inside of me with no release. My life is so fucking stupid and embarrassing. I’m still not able to come to terms with the fact that my love life is over and the next however-many decades are going to be ... like this. It was my birthday a couple weeks ago and now I feel like my fate is sealed, down here at the bottom of the bargain bin. In addition to being terribly lonely and starved for affection I’m ashamed and in disbelief that nearly everyone I know—across the spectrum—has a partner if not a gaggle of children (the latter of which I don’t even want but it’s still like a punch in the gut to be a mere spectator to other people’s joy/happy families)."

"For women, if you don't meet your life partner in your 20s the ship has basically sailed."

Lesson: Some feminist women KNOW that their mentality is life-ruining, yet still continue to swear by it.


[–]1favours_of_the_moon 278 points279 points  (109 children)

"The downside to increasing my anti-depressant dosage and not crying all the time anymore is that ... I’m not crying at all so the anger, frustration and hopelessness is just boiling inside of me with no release. My life is so fucking stupid and embarrassing. I’m still not able to come to terms with the fact that my love life is over and the next however-many decades are going to be ... like this. It was my birthday a couple weeks ago and now I feel like my fate is sealed, down here at the bottom of the bargain bin. In addition to being terribly lonely and starved for affection I’m ashamed and in disbelief that nearly everyone I know—across the spectrum—has a partner if not a gaggle of children (the latter of which I don’t even want but it’s still like a punch in the gut to be a mere spectator to other people’s joy/happy families)."

We all know she had plenty of offers in her 20s, but she thought her shit didn't stink.

[–][deleted] 215 points216 points  (93 children)

Think about how many decent guys, even BB, she totally dismissed. Probably dozens, if not hundreds. But she's a strong, independent woman who's not gotta settle for just anyone.

[–]Ali_s1987 310 points311 points  (57 children)

What all of you seem to miss the fact that "The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers, OR, as old as my dad." She still has guys interested! But they aren't good enough for her stupid ass.

[–]zookeepier 169 points170 points  (14 children)

That's the beauty of her post. She would rather "off herself" than lower her standards and date someone older than her. She's "terribly lonely and starved for affection" and would rather have "no shoulder to cry on, no partner to share good times with, no safety or security" than date an older guy.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Or a guy her own age she feels is below her in any way. Which often enough can be something as trivial as not having a college degree.

[–]Turn_Coat_2 13 points14 points  (2 children)

This, they see a barren wasteland of guys who aren't up to their standards. Stay lonely.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I think its legit misandry. The sort of standards they place on dudes a guy would never even bother with having for women. If a chick is happy in her life no dude will care if she never got a college degree. To a chick with a degree working at Starbucks she will consider a plumber who makes three times as much as she does beneath her.

[–]Turn_Coat_2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair, I'd care if my partner was ignorant/stupid, but a college degree is hardly an indication of that.

[–]grewapair 69 points70 points  (5 children)

It's because she's afraid she can't push an older guy around.

[–]Borsao66 32 points33 points  (4 children)

No, its exposes her fear.

The guy is more likely to kick off first, leaving her alone. The "I won't date older men" isn't 100% about SMV, its about their fear of being alone again.

[–]grewapair 61 points62 points  (3 children)

As if they are capable of thinking that far in advance.

[–]Borsao66 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Fear is one of their fee feez. I never said they were smart enough to think ahead. /s

[–]pcadrian 62 points62 points [recovered]

Exactly. Everyone who says these gals have their cake and eat it too... It's just not like that. Why? Because the only way they're gonna get married is if they settle for a man they don't really want. They want the alphas but the alphas will never commit to them.

How do I know this? I've been dating a couple of 28-29 and they are trying hard to lock me down. But it's just too late. Maybe if I had met them 5 years earlier. They are jaded, damaged by now. Their innocence, the main thing that appeals to me, is lost. They burned out.

It sucks to see them like this. I'm gonna have to break some hearts. But they just aren't what I'm looking for. And they ain't even slutty CC riders. They're good women. But it's just the age....

[–]Aids_by_Google 16 points16 points [recovered]

"Innocence is lost" "burned out" ... Interesting - can you add a bit more detail

[–]notevenatthestart 94 points95 points  (22 children)

Imagine you're dating a girl. You take her somewhere. It doesn't matter whether it's ice skating, to a museum, for a walk or for a weekend away somewhere.

First, consider the case where her eyes light up. "This is wonderful," she says. You're exposing her to new things. You're seeing her life move to a new level right in front of you and you're with her as she experiences that blend of nervousness and excitement that comes with the unknown. "I've never done this before!". She's thinking of you, and the fun you're having and the fun you're going to have. It's new to her, it's exciting, and that excitement is part of her appeal to you, right? It's also part of your appeal to her. She associates you with positive emotions. That's before we even consider the aphrodisiac effect of doing something exciting with someone.

Now, reset the scenario. Imagine she's older. Imagine she's done all this sort of stuff before. She's had four or five long-term relationships. She's been ice skating. She's been to a lot of museums. The city break reminds her of Sharon's hen party. She's thinking of her ex-boyfriend, the one she really misses, the one who took her places and then fucked her brains out. Her reaction is positive, but that simple, innocent pleasure is gone.

Which do you think will be the better date?

[–]pcadrian 30 points30 points [recovered]

I couldn't have put this better. It is EXACTLY like this.

I literally had a girl over for dinner one night. She laughs and says look at you trying to hard to impress me. I'm thinking to myself, bitch, I'm not trying to impress you, I'm trying to add something positive to your shitty life. She was a lost cause. Pump and dump.

[–]zpatriarchy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

i love when they think they are in a position of power & you let them think that, then afterwards, they are like "i don't know what went wrong"

[–]Kalidane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A 27 year old said to me "If you're not careful you'll have no one". I couldn't help laughing out loud. I was seeing 2 other chicks at the time and gave no fucks. I assume strong projection was in play on her part, or she simply had no understanding.

[–]RedHeimdall 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Yeah the innocence factor is huge and it can be obvious even just in their faces and their eyes, their basic personalities.

A certain open-ness, an enthusiastic attitude toward life, a genuine smile, a sense of optimism regarding the future

vs.

Being closed off, guarded, jaded, bitter, cynical, sarcastic, pessimistic

[–]Mintaka7 25 points26 points  (0 children)

My uncle once said "I'm cynical enough for both of us, I want her to be the one who smiles to the future." It took me a long time to understand that.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Wait until it has been 5-6 years since any dudes have done that for her. Or better yet, 10-12 years. While the 30 year olds may remember the days of their 20s and are pissed off that all the good ones are taken. The women in their 40s will settle for much much lower standards or they will be alone.

[–]Pfoenix 3 points4 points  (2 children)

But who wants a woman in her late 30s or early 40s?

[–]TRPhd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Men in their 50's and 60's.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

let's be honest here, if she got any attention while she was young, I'm pretty sure she's not THAT much worse now and could get a slightly-beta 45 year old who makes decent money. why they don't go for that is beyond me. ofc they are not going to get the 6'2" 35 year old ceo with the lean body, but for some reason they always pine for the slightly-older true alpha. media programming? sunken costs?(maybe she could've had him at 20 but she's spent all this time looking for better deals)

[–]manslutalt 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Because, in her eyes and words, those guys are "users, losers and abusers". That's right, a 45-year-old single beta bux is a loser in her eyes and she doesn't want to admit that she's also a loser at this point.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 10 points11 points  (1 child)

"The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers, OR, as old as my dad." She still has guys interested! But they aren't good enough for her stupid ass.

My favorite example of this phenomenon is from this article - and note that these are college-aged women in their 20's!

a large group of sorority women at the University of North Carolina squeezed into the corner booth of a gritty basement bar. ... As a night out, it had everything — except guys. “This is so typical, like all nights, 10 out of 10,” said Kate Andrew, a senior from Albemarle, N.C. The experience has grown tiresome: they slip on tight-fitting tops, hair sculpted, makeup just so, all for the benefit of one another, Ms. Andrew said, “because there are no guys.”

Hear that? No guys. No guys at all. Not a single one!

Jayne Dallas, a senior studying advertising who was seated across the table, grumbled that the population of male undergraduates was even smaller when you looked at it as a dating pool. “Out of that 40 percent, there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent,” she said.

*facepalm*

In the case of Ms. Jezebel commentor, she says that men are either: "The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers, OR, as old as my dad."

My guess is, most of them are getting the label of "loser" simply by virtue of their willingness to date her. It's like, if a guy totally surrenders and say, "whatever you want - you want to get married? okay, we'll get married. No arguments" She perceives that guy as a loser. I mean clearly his standards are too low. If the same guy told her he only wanted sex, then he'd be using her.

[–]TheReformist94 45 points46 points  (8 children)

Good for them.this stuff makes me happy.I hit the wall from 14-21. I have no pity.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

I am 20 and I feel like I am reverse hitting the wall.

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[–]Apostrophe 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Men start at the wall and must climb over it to get started with growing into a worthy man.

Many fail.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Think of it more like a supply and demand curve graph. Men's SMV's are positive, women's SMV's are negative.

They cross each other at about 29.

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[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

When a 25 year old virgin expresses his struggle they will be the first to rub salt in his wounds with pearls of wisdom like "SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING FROM WOMEN. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR SITUATION YOU PIECE OF SHIT"

But when the tables are turned its "WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD GUYS AT!"

[–]Hoodwink 31 points32 points  (20 children)

Sometimes, I like to play 'honesty (non-)game' just to check if a girl would give the 'real' me a chance online.

They don't. They won't.

I'm never going to get married. Any kids will be strictly a business arrangement as far as I'm concerned.

[–]Aids_by_Google 9 points9 points [recovered]

By real you do you mean - revealing you'll never get locked down/ marry?

[–]Hoodwink 41 points42 points  (16 children)

Nah. I mean the 'beta' inside me. How I enjoy a quiet life. Or that I'm 'shy' (when I'm not putting up a complete facade). That I struggle to make money. Or that I have problems with my sleep. That I'm really looking for a long-term relationship as a goal. That I enjoy trying out new healthy recipes (I sometimes do this to fatter chicks). I don't even tell them about my hallucinations..

It's repellent telling women you're a normal human being. Women want the dancing monkey. The 'beta game' I was taught was 'to be yourself' and to be 'honest' and to come across as 'a real person'. It's become a bit of a joke for me the further along I go.

Funnily enough. Telling a woman you're never going to get locked down, from what I've heard, isn't so much of a problem because it seems like women think of it like a challenge. I've got a friend who does this, and lots of women stick around for a long time trying to get into his pants... (he's got an 8 inch cock). Women think with their pussies, but they don't know it because our whole civilization cheers them on.

[–]whispernovember 24 points25 points  (7 children)

You can't believe the marketing.

No car is a great as the commercial makes it look.

No person is as great as they appear to be. You are comparing your average to other people's highlights.

Remember that and you will be fine.

[–]Hoodwink 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Right.

I get that. But women don't.

[–]Seducibledotcom 13 points14 points  (1 child)

He knows that though. it's women that don't know that.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"the 'beta' inside me"...sounds like a book written by a power bottom

[–]McLarenX 63 points64 points  (6 children)

Omlala's analogy of the rabbit and the apple grove makes more and more sense. There are betas in school attaining high-earning degrees and even a few alphas that may settle for the right mate in their 20s. But, safety and security are never on a woman's mind in the resource-rich western world. In our reality, highs are so easy to get that women get lost in the world of instant gratification. Why find a viable-long term mate when there is throbbing alpha cock available a few taps away on tinder?

Women are good for a few things, but long term planning definitely isn't one of them. Once they're past 30, the high earning beta has already found a post CC HB7 to settle with and the Alpha in their age cateogry with a desire to start the family may have a kid or two with own his hot wife.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (1 child)

I've lived and travelled through many developing countries. In the western world you are literally trying to fuck a princess, she has never worked a day in her life, can't cook and doesn't strictly need you. You are not a prince so you can't compete, the best you can hope for is the 10%

[–]Mightyskunk 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Omlala's analogy of the rabbit and the apple grove makes more and more sense. There are betas in school attaining high-earning degrees and even a few alphas that may settle for the right mate in their 20s. But, safety and security are never on a woman's mind in the resource-rich western world. In our reality, highs are so easy to get that women get lost in the world of instant gratification. Why find a viable-long term mate when there is throbbing alpha cock available a few taps away on tinder?

Have you been to TrollX yet? The sub is packed with these women. Fucking gross.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But, safety and security are never on a woman's mind in the resource-rich western world. In our reality, highs are so easy to get that women get lost in the world of instant gratification. Why find a viable-long term mate when there is throbbing alpha cock available a few taps away on tinder?

Women are good for a few things, but long term planning definitely isn't one of them.

That's true but a post wall bitch will always genuinely believe she is going to die alone. She'll never have that "validation" again.

[–]Chrience 59 points60 points  (2 children)

You'll notice how she talks as if her love life is the entire focus of her existence. She needs that alpha or else the world is such a horrible place to her.

Could she get better by volunteering, committing to a cause, taking up a hobby or at least taking ACTION in bettering herself for the Sexual marketplace? No. This is what WE do. We are happy with producing and raising our value. Women are only truely happy with an alphas undying commitment to her.

She needs men to be happy, but they certainly don't need her!

It's a part of AWALT because this is a major instinctual difference. You'll see a lot of girls in such a depressed state in their 30s and its all thanks to Feminism. They wanted all the alpha cock in college and ditched their femininity for the workplace, and the men they needed so badly simply don't want them anymore.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It's a part of AWALT because this is a major instinctual difference. You'll see a lot of girls in such a depressed state in their 30s and its all thanks to Feminism. They wanted all the alpha cock in college and ditched their femininity for the workplace, and the men they needed so badly simply don't want them anymore.

That's true of many girls I know, and they all thought it would be different for themselves. They all thought that they were "smarter" than everyone else. lol

[–]Chrience 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, yes you're right. They're too self centered to realise theyre just like every other girl , and every other girl is too self centred to realise the same thing. Another part of AWALT: solipsism!

[–]Il128 8 points8 points [recovered]

She's lying of course. I'm 50 and I've dated tens of women in their 20's.

She's talking about herself and the thousands of older women nobody wants. Who wants to date bitter and histrionic?

[–]CornyHoosier 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I went on a date with a self-proclaimed feminist the other day. It was horrible. The entire time she was bitching about someone or something in her life. My personal favorite was when I said anything she would dismiss what I said, and say something along the lines of, "people who think that are stupid."

She either truly didn't care or truly didn't realize that she was calling everything I say stupid. She even had the nerve at the end of the night when I was free to go out again. Ha!

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 58 points59 points  (7 children)

"Oh I have nothing but contempt for them. It’s a wasteland out there for single 30+ women, unless they’re into men their dads’ age."

That was likely her problem all along.

There are 15 good years to be a woman: from 15 or so, when guys start to notice them, to 30 and their arrival at The Wall. Far too many women in the modern West don't get it that the Gravy Train of Hotness doesn't go on forever until they get dropped off at "Wall Station" at the End of the Line.

She likely had her chances but wasted them b/c she was too deluded to see what was coming, and always wanted the Bigger, Better Deal. I don't have any contempt for her, really; I can't even be bothered to muster any pity. She's just one of the Legion of the Post Wall. Still bitter, still angry, and still invisible to the men they FEEL they "Deserve".

"Gather ye rosebuds while ye may...."

[–]Swoledinger 20 points21 points  (2 children)

It's like giving a Porsche to a 15 year old. No one is that suprised when they wrap it around a tree.

[–]Dishmayhem 16 points17 points  (1 child)

and they feel entitled to a new one

[–]BallisticTherapy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My ex hit the wall hard from a life of heavy drinking and commented that she wished she could just start life all over again, so your comment is extremely accurate.

[–]Rathadin 27 points28 points  (1 child)

The entire poem is a huge Red Pill to the women of his age...

To the Virgins, to make much of Time

GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.

The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
The higher he 's a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he 's to setting.

That age is best which is the first,
When youth and blood are warmer;
But being spent, the worse, and worst
Times still succeed the former.

Then be not coy, but use your time,
And while ye may, go marry:
For having lost but once your prime,
You may for ever tarry.

[–]notevenatthestart 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Heh. Herrick was writing when there was no need for the red pill, not as we know it now. He was reminding his reader of something that he or she already knew well. In those days, fundamental truths about the nature of men and women were considered just that, fundamental truths. Not that the early 1600s would have been particularly nice to live in, mind you, but one feature of that grim reality was a more realistic view on how men and women should behave.

[–]Teatach 12 points13 points  (1 child)

She used to be in the market for the "top 20%" of men. But now she understands that the remaining men in "top 20%" are only users, so she has to lower her standards to meet the other 80% of men, aka losers?

[–]Five_Decades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A woman's #1 priority is securing high quality genetic material for her offspring. Her #2 priority is ensuring resources to raise the child.

AF/BB, but AF will always come first. A high quality child without resources to raise him/her is better for the woman's genetic lineage than large amounts of resources for a low quality child.

[–]Rasalom72 145 points146 points  (46 children)

Except she doesn't seem to realize that even at that age, if she is ATTRACTIVE (not fat, etc), she still has a chance to get a normal guy at that age.... even one that is slightly older.

But, she doesn't want to have to lower her standards to accept Non-Chad guys... she still want's Mr. Perfect with a $200k/ year job and six pack abs.

[–]MCgrandRoyal[S] 78 points79 points  (30 children)

Nope, she explicitly says that she won't date an older man who is interested in younger women shrugs

[–]NSmaf 13 points14 points  (2 children)

But of course, there's nothing wrong with a 23 yo girl to set her age range to 25-40. The problem is with the guys in her age range that are attracted to her.

[–]donttellthefamily 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Right! Young girl always make the excuse that an older man is more "mature" aka has more money to impress her with. But when an older guy dates and younger chick it's because she's hotter and (most of the time) more eager to please. And yet men are crucified for wanting what they value.

I don't understand why a lot of women and SJWs have such a hard time admitting that men and women just want different things. And that's okay.

[–]8n0n 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why a lot of women and SJWs have such a hard time admitting that men and women just want different things.

If the men they desired were giving them those things they wouldn't bicker about not having them.

Because those sorts of men they want don't settle for second best is what upsets them; something I am certain will not change either no matter how much they throw a tantrum (feminism, HAES/fat acceptance) like a child to try and change that reality.

All you need to understand is that they "feel" things are wrong because we are not treating the way they expected to be (perfect precious snowflakes to be adored by all, though equally the fault of Disney etc. as is the blue pill in men), that they are not getting their due worth, and ultimately have resorted to bickering like children.

Some of these women could undo some of the damage to themselves; (diet, exercise and perhaps even cultivate a personality that could generate interesting conversation) but because of such indoctrination (deserving everything because they are women) very few will put in the hard work to reap the rewards they so loudly ask (read demand) delivered to them.

In short, learn to accept that SJWs (and women leaning towards that) are turning to such things because it is a way they want to try and use to succeed in securing the things they want for themselves as individuals, rather than putting in the hard yards to earn those things as we do here in TRP.

[–]PaulAJK 18 points19 points  (4 children)

she explicitly says that she won't date an older man who is interested in younger women shrugs

That's a real American thing, you don't get that in Europe to anything like the same degree. Maybe it's because the majority of older US men are fat, perhaps.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It has more to do with post-Wall USA women being cunty, I think.

[–]transitivecurves 19 points19 points [recovered]

Translation: she wants to lock down a beta?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 105 points106 points  (19 children)

She can get an old alpha or a beta her own age. What she won't get is an alpha her age, he can get 18 year olds.

[–]Rathadin 93 points94 points  (18 children)

Welp, came here to say what you said...

I'm 35. This year will be the first year I am on track to make more than $200,000 through a small side business I've started to eventually supplant my current job. I live and work in a city on the Gulf Coast. I live in a small-for-the-area condo, and I have a small sailboat (under 30').

Why would I ever even consider a sad sack of misery and depression like SarahEmCee? Even if she's attractive, its clear that life has beaten her down... why would I want that negative energy around me? I already have trouble keeping myself positive. I'm a realist by nature, which most people interpret as pessimism. I don't need another person sharing my life with an even worse mentality.

Its funny how she said:

their dating profiles to see all the 35 year olds seeking women aged 21-34

She's hilariously off the mark. I limited my ages to 18-25. I made the mistake in the past five years of dating a 30 year old and a 29 year old, when I was also 30, and 34. Nope, nope, nope, and nope again. Waste of my fucking time. I'm sorry, but from what I can see, by the time the average American girl has turned 26 and older, she is mostly a used up cum dumpster who's too snarky and bitchy to want to spend any amount of time with on a regular basis.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I'm 34. My dating preferences is set to 24 to 44. If a lady gives me shit I just point out I'm dating 10 over, ten under. I throw fucks into women in their 30s but they aren't serious dating considerations.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This. Why is that so much of a problem? I mean, it's not as if by entering a certain age range you are legally obligated to also date within that age range. Be like the woman who "doesn't care about height" but only dates guys 6' and taller for some mysterious reason.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 25 points26 points  (7 children)

I'm a realist by nature, which most people interpret as pessimism.

Right there with you. Unbound optimism is naive. If something generally yields a predictable result and that result happens to be negative, I won't insult my intelligence and "be optimistic", when it comes to social situations my predictions/judgements are accurate 90%+ of the time.

Optimists are weak people who can't handle the harshness of reality so pretend everything is fine and will go their way.

People think if you are cynical or realistic that you are unhappy and negative. Yes it's easy to become like that, because when you are realistic you see the ugliness of the world AND THERE IS LOTS OF IT, bad has a tendency to overshadow good, but there is good too. I live in a rich country with shelter, food, internet, a ton of books and some other luxuries, I could do a lot worse.

If you are a realist and your disposition is positive it's because you're on top of all your shit, have your ass covered and don't leave anything to chance. You create your own fortune. It's not because you decided to take a huge blue pill, tell yourself everybody is great, and that the people who wrong you are exceptions rather than the rule. The optimist looks for the inherent goodness of everything, and when he or she finds it, no matter how tiny, they blow it up and hold onto it for dear life because like a child the thought that Santa Claus isn't real is just too unbearable.

A realist weighs things up more evenly, and doesn't hide in the coping mechanism of self-deception, they create their own fortune. Happiness is a choice, and it starts with self-honesty and self-discipline, the hallmarks of maturity.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am reminded of a favorite definition:

An Optimist is someone who is not in full possession of all of the facts.

[–]8n0n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whenever the topic comes up, I just recall this print I spotted across a barroom wall a few years ago.

http://cdn3.volusion.com/2dahj.3qwj9/v/vspfiles/photos/KC74-2.jpg

The realists see that the glass is empty, what happens next is either they bicker and complain about it (those that concentrate on the negatives) or get right to work ordering a refill (the positive side of realism).

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 30 points30 points [recovered]

she still has a chance to get a normal guy at that age.

But remember. Women aren't attracted to "normal" AKA average. They only want the top 10-20% of men. Everyone else is a "creep".

Chances are high that she constantly rejects normal, average men, as she referred to when she said "The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers".

In other words, men still want her, just not the men she wants. Users and abusers probably refers to alpha males who stay single and keep fucking bitches without committing to them. And losers refers to the average beta bux chump.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure this is the case. I guess it's true that the male unicorns are an endangered species also.

[–]thereticle 25 points25 points [recovered]

Exactly, this bitch must be ugly as shit. My parents divorced when they were 55, and my mom has been dating pretty regularly ever since. She's like 62 now and gets all kinds of offers. She has an active social life and isn't lonely. Why? She's in shape and always has been. In addition, shes not a cunt, and is actually pretty chill and cool to hang out with. Funny how that works, right?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Its sort of strange that women a woman stays in shape and isn't a cunt that they will still be in demand. My parents divorced when my mother was in her 50s. My mom could be a total cunt at the drop of a hat and pretty much stopped all exercise. No dude wants to hang out with a bitchy slug.

Instead of taking on healthy eating she just eats fried food with no balance. Instead of starting to exercise she took on smoking. Now she is knocking on the door of 60 and starting to be remotely healthy is impossible for her. No dude wants to be around her at all. She just figures all dudes got super shitty.

Its just guys in their 50s don't mind being alone. You have to be a better option than being alone. Women in their 50s have to do yoga, pilates, weight training, cardio, dress in flattering clothing, have their hair done right, be cool as fuck. Learn about interesting shit.

All this stuff we have to do now as young men women in their 40s and 50s need to do. The only difference is they once had it easy and don't see why it can't just be like that again.

[–]AnotherLostCause 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The hamster doesnt work that way. If she settles down her man has to be better than all the chads who saw her as a pump and dump. Richer than rich Chad. Better looking than tall Chad. Heck insert quality here. If the man she marries isnt better then she will hate him. In the past women werent cum dumsters and men had serious dread game because there was no divorce rape. Now. Marrying that harpy is proof of insanity.

[–]bboy1977 16 points16 points [recovered]

As a guy in his upper 30s I'd only consider someone 35plus if they are paying their own mortgage and have a secondary degree minimum. If all they are is attractive, then go with someone younger, equally attractive and with way less baggage.

I found this sub a few weeks ago after having dated a few 30+ year olds. Holy shit some of the things they would say are exactly what I read in posts here. At the time I would just nod and not really know how to respond (e.g. why is this girl telling me her friends are all getting married, having kids and she is the only single one left, we just met 30 mins ago). Now it is all making sense.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Sometimes I find older (25-35) girls can actually have less baggage simply because they know to check it.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 85 points86 points  (22 children)

I feel really bad for these women, because they all treated me so well throughout their 20's when they had the SMV advantage and I didn't. /s

[–]Schrodingersdawg 54 points55 points  (16 children)

Seriously, 90% of my motivation to build my SMV comes from thinking I'll be able to turn the tables back one day

[–]Dishmayhem 38 points39 points  (1 child)

as a 37 yr old man who has turned the tables, it is worth the effort

[–]marplaneit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well I turned tables at 19 with some girls that rejected me in highschool, and I rejected them back a few weeks a go... It felt awesome, at 37 you must living heaven regarding that.

I feel no simphaty. I am a hardcore self-improvement guy, in med school. I have the nerdy virgin Friends, that get rejected even by the most gross girl in our school (med school).

In my year there are about 350 woman, and 100 guys. If you combine around the 15 top guys, they have had sex with around 100 girls. My best friend, who is alpha, and has a massive SMV, he screwed alone around 10-15 girls from the school.

All these girls crying for just 1 text from this guy, but won't even look in the direction of a 6-5 dude, with a great future ahead.

[–]J_AsapGem 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Yes dude, this a million times, don't listen to anyone that tells you revenge thinking isn't healthy blah blah, use it as motivation when you realize how awesome you've gotten you won't give a shit anymore.

[–]Kathulos 16 points17 points  (0 children)

'Living well is the best revenge.'

George Herbert

[–]long-lostfriend 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I am a 40+ guy married to a 26-year-old. My ex-wife is my age and divorce raped me as best she could. She is alone now.

While there is no sympathy from me toward her lot in life, I don't live my life to get revenge on her or any other woman who rejected me. I am happy with my successes on their own merits. I don't need to feel anything toward my ex other than indifference

[–]CaiusOctavius 8 points9 points  (4 children)

You got divorce raped, married another girl, and you think your ex is the chump in this situation?

Even with tight game, marrying is a stupid decision. But remarrying after you got divorce raped is just beyond me.

[–]pcadrian 27 points27 points [recovered]

Amen. How come none wanted to fuck when I was in my early 20s but now suddenly they all want to spend the rest of their life with me?

[–]Five_Decades 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Who wouldn't want to marry a wallet and a free babysitter? Especially when her options narrow down to nothing.

[–]gigitygigitygoo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I just recently started dating younger women after realizing what a wasteland those in their 30's are. The difference in their attitudes is incredible and can't believe I wasted as much time as I did dating women my age, early 30's.

I took one out who was a 35 year old bartender. Looked great and we hit it off but she wasn't about fucking unless their was a relationship involved. She's holding on to the pussy now. I'm seeing one girl now, mid 20's who just comes over to fuck. She doesn't care about a relationship because she hasn't hit the wall and knows she has plenty of time. They're polar opposites.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 199 points200 points  (66 children)

Women get screwed. When society doesn't force them to be accountable adults and teaches them entitlement instead of consequences, they make stupid choices.

Then, it's like, "Wait... I thought I could make those choices and still end up with what I always thought I was entitled to. What do you mean I don't get what I want as a consequence of previous choices?" Literally, the thought process of child.

This isn't something to rejoice about or feel vindicated over. Society is screwing over these child-women who don't know any better. These women need drugs just to cope. They can't push the power button on their smartphones without seeing some photo or comment from an acquaintance and feeling suicidal.

[–]jeruka 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Please stop excusing women. She is responsible for her own decisions like an adult she is. BTW she can still acquire a relationship and sex easier than most men. It's just that she can't acquire a relationship from a guy that meets her ridiculous standards. You blame that society doesn't teach her to be an accountable adult. Yet you engage in the same rhetoric that paints her as a child not responsible for her own decisions.

[–]2Overkillengine 46 points47 points  (5 children)

And then they end up on the dole because the same women that live a life of poor impulse control end up with less ability to support themselves as they get older and less capable every year.

And then men get screwed covering for their shit decisions via increased tax burden.

And that's why every socioeconomic model that does not enforce personal accountability will inevitably implode like a landwhale whose bones are breaking under the weight of her lard.

[–]Kathulos 26 points27 points  (2 children)

There has to be a system of cultural norms and values that keeps their hypergamy in check in order to ensure their happiness. Women aren't capable of any long term thinking and have en masse rejected a society building strategy that had tradeoffs and benefits for both sexes in favor of short term tingles. To use a biblical example from a misspent youth: they think they can prodigal's son their inheritance (youth, beauty and ability to lock down a man) and have society pick up the tab. For a large part it does; subsidizing her bastard offspring, allowing her minority status for a career on easy mode, etc. Unfortunately, for women society tells her to wait until after she has squandered her youth and beauty to look for what she really wants in life: a relationship, stable marriage and to be the first mate/beloved matriarch to a husband/family. After she has all her 'achievements' on the CC out of the way and a 'career' she doesn't want, society tells her post wall ass to find a man and get married. But she gave all her best to Chad and now no one wants her.

It is hard to hold them accountable for their actions as soon as they hit puberty they receive this massive burst of attention and validation. Their hamster turns this emotional fodder into tingles and stupidly assures its solipsistic, vapid host that the source of its beloved stimuli will never run dry. Society and her peers also feed the hamster lies that it gobbles down; you are special, you deserve to realize your dreams with little effort on your end. The right man will find you. At this point women have achieved the emotional maturity of a teenager and are unlikely to progress beyond this.

Oh look Chad just texted. The hamster's wheel spins ever faster.

By the time she realizes the reality of her actual value on the SMP it is to late for her to secure the commitment of a high value male and a never ending line of Chads have wrought havoc on her pair bonding.

See gurlz feminism tots hurts ladyz 2.

Schadenfreude.

[–]xray777 102 points102 points [recovered]

I'm gonna agree with you, Archwinger.

In about ten years I suspect the emergent social issue will be the devastating sorrow that all these current "I don't need no man and want no kids" women will feel.

The MILLIONS of women crying themselves to sleep every single night absolutely grieving for the children they never had, the husbands they never married, and the family members whose funerals they are now attending.

I got fucked over in my 20's by women same as the rest of us, but my "pain" is NOTHING like what these women are in for and some are now starting to experience.

I feel like its appropriate to take a second from the "Fuck yeah, we won in the end" circlejerk and take a second to reflect on the abject cruelty that Feminism has bought into the world. For women.

Gentleman, possibly only war has the ability to make a man feel the kind of gut-wrenching anguish that will be be visited upon the millions of women headed for decades of complete and utter loneliness and loss of gut-level purpose. Barren wombs, empty beds, "friends" long gone, and their family dying. Guys, these women are headed for an actual Hell.

At least a man's basic purpose is what he accomplishes and that doesn't go away, even if people do. Women are social creatures and their entire existence is wrapped up in people. People they won't have in their lives with no ability to ever get back because society lied to them same as they lied to us.

Only their punishment is far, far worse and there is no salvation from it. There is no Red Pill for a 60 year old spinster with 2-3 decades of utter loneliness ahead of her.

[–]redzorp 69 points70 points  (13 children)

But you know what? They still deserve it. And though your observations are cogent, there is still a whiff of white-knighting about it.

I say the mass-pain about to be experienced by western women is absolutely necessary. It's like lancing a collective boil or maybe society-wide chemotherapy (pick your metaphor). Only through that massive pain will any future change be possible.

Women essentially need to choke to death on feminism before there is any chance of the pendulum swinging back to normalcy. So while we don't have to revel in their pain, we don't have to feel all that sorry for them either.

[–]xray777 48 points48 points [recovered]

I don't disagree. No white-knighting here, just a sense of "goddamn..." for the hell they are going to experience. We are men, but still humans. We can appreciate when some of us are about to go through some real shit.

[–]jimmybda3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The sad thing is that our sympathy will do no good. Only the shiv (or the sound of a sharpening lance) of repeated truths can help at all.

[–]fitnesstested 21 points22 points  (9 children)

I'm sorry man I respectfully disagree.

Do you think one of these women would have given a second thought to the silent suffering of all the good men they left behind in their 20s?

They made their beds and they are going to have to lie in them. Life isn't fair.

I'm not going to shed one tear for anyone of the women who didn't have sense enough to give younger versions of myself or any of the other awesome guys I know the time of day.

As a matter of fact I'm going to enjoy every moment of watching them wither away with their cats and using them as cautionary tales for any of my future daughters.

[–]benczi 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I have a real bad feeling about this.

Having a generation of bitter old women. Bitter old women who are in power. Bitter old women who are in power and bitter old men, who used to be white-knights. And a small portion of the male population laughing at them, and finding joy in their misery. The bad feeling I have is that the hamster will spin the story so that it's all our fault, because it always is, and since we're enjoying their demise, we're proving them right. Because if it wasn't our male privileged cis fault, we would be as miserable as them. So being in absolute power, they will make sure that we suffer just as much as they do, even more, just to make them feel better. Just a feeling I have.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Well we haven't seen a limit to the almighty hamster yet so you could be right.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's also the possibility that the situation is being overstated in this thread, right? I mean here one woman admits the truth (sorta), and now 8 posts deep we're talking about how the sexpocalypse is finally here for all women over 30. Reddit has a tendency to tease out a basic idea through to its most extreme conclusion.

As amusing as it is to watch this one girl slam face first into the wall, life does continue for women after 30. I mean hell, my mother was 67 when she found her current boyfriend, three years later they're both perfectly happy.

[–]WolfenSatyr 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Welcome to the theatre, my fine gentlemen.

This, this right here is the sole reason to live. This is why we are hated. This is why every pet store has a half dozen cats prepped and ready to go.

Yes, as I sit back with scotch in one hand and cigar in the other I think about what it must be like for these women. A part of me does want to ease their suffering, tell them that it's alright. The rest of me remembers how a younger me was rewarded for his efforts to defend and suppport these women. A pull on the cigar and a sip from my glass washes away those foolish thoughts.

Reap what you sow. My fields are no longer barren. The warmth of my hearth is for me and me alone.

Edit: Spelling

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sure, women get screwed.. but I don't agree with giving them sympathy. Nor is there a "fuck yeah." We simply play the game.

OP reads like the girl is experiencing self enlightening thoughts, and any long time reader know that for some reason, self awareness does not last for women, they will rationalise anything in their favour.

There simply will not be millions of women grieving. Their logical capacity isn't there for them to see the shit feminism is putting them in, because if they did, feminism would be well towards the end of it's demise by now.

Time and again I am seeing spinster bitches, complete female nightmares getting married in their 30s - 40s. By deduction, that means any women such as that in OPs post, can probably get hitched - perhaps not to an alpha male, but the spectrum of men out there can surely suffice.

Will one or two girls like this self actualise too late? Perhaps, but sympathy is not what they need.

If I hit 70 and realised I had ruined myself from being a whipped beta, perhaps I could not redeem myself and get my night game on. But I can still bring out what masculinity I am able to muster, and pass on a potential legacy to enlighten someone who may have fallen to the same trap.

[–]xkcd_puppy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

And then they will pass a law forcing men to marry those humps and support them and their man-rape offspring. Watch and see how the hamster-wheel will be forced to spin at light speed on all levels of the government.

[–]Five_Decades 15 points16 points  (2 children)

A lot of women nowadays seem to feel they can put off marriage/family, and then when they decide they want it the perfect man is supposed to just show up with no work on the woman's part to fulfill her needs.

Then they try that strategy, and find that all the perfect men either don't exist, are already taken or can do better than the women who want them.

Then they get mad, and blame it on us. Ah gender wars, so amusing.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (25 children)

I am really glad someone said this. Hate the game not the player. We do not know if this was a good girl or not. People lining up to enjoy her pain and hating on her is one of the reasons this sub has a reputation for mysoginy (can't believe I just used that word). I have met nice girls who did not ride the CC, and now they have no hope of finding a desirable man as they are not above HB 5, but they are in their 30s. We should not jump to conclusions about her. As far as I can see she is accepting RP truths. The wall is not an easy thing for a nice girl to deal with. Why get off on her pain?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Eh, she could date a loser if it's that bad. Better than hugging a teddy bear. But first she'd have to admit that she herself is a loser.

[–]ihavecandygetinmyvan 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Which according to her is apparently worse than killing herself.

[–]DodgedAFew 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Loser (am. english, noun): not a tall lawyer who paid off mortgage.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

b) a man who is too old

c) a man who is too young

d) a man

e) (rare) someone who wins infrequently

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (6 children)

Except well if they are a Jezebel type of women then you can safely guess what kind of attitude and lifestyle they had.

Here's a clue: This girl was probably NOT a good girl.

I know one "good girl" who is in her late 30s and is single, no kids and never been married. Not the prettiest girl ever, but cute enough that a husband would probably enjoy fucking her long term - especially knowing the kind of girl she is.

This girl is as close as you can get to a unicorn - sweet, smart, a giver - the kind of girl that would work a job, keep a decently clean house, cook meals and suck dick enthusiastically on a regular basis. We're talking really good first mate material.

Girls like her usually end up married and the men they marry are doing OK.

So why isn't she married and making some guy happy?

She had health problems - cancer and such in her early 20s and had a hysterectomy. She can't have kids and no guy has ever really wanted to get serious with her because of that.

See a girl like that I have empathy for.

These Jezebel turds are just getting their full ride on the karma train.

As far as this sub is concerned and the accusations of misogyny we get... Yeah there are some things said on here occasionally that are over the top - but that's just a product of guys venting over all the true shit they do have to deal with. TRP discusses the darker side of female psychology most everyone else is scared shitless to explore.

When it comes with sexual strategy and life strategy overall, you can't have a plastic, irrational, pollyanna ideal of women and expect to experience success. You have to know what is real - and that starts with how self interest actually manifests in women.

Look at the mess the woman OP is referring to is. Really, how do you deal with that? Being naive and navigating romance with someone like that is hazardous. Unfortunately, there is an entire generation of women out there like that. We have to tell it like it is.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

What? A Unicorn who can't have kids?? Where do I sign up for that?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Reminder she's like 37 or 38 with health problems.

But yeah come to the west coast of Florida, the ratio is decent here.

In Tampa, for example, any woman 27 years old or older reeks of desperation. Its a total party city - a city full of bars and approachable drunk women. By the time ladies reach the marrying age 27-30 they have been totally played out from the CC. Its hilarious how humble they get when reality starts becoming unavoidable - but at the same time they're addicted to their smartphones and the sweet sweet nectar of attention social media brings them. Such combinations of obsession, regret and desperation have created a horde of damaged sluts. Its such a fertile ground for plate spinning - who the fuck wants to deal with an aging desperate 7? There's a multitude of women 10 years younger entering serious pre-wall panic mode.

Why run down the mountain and just fuck one of the cows? Walk down and fuck them all.

If I were to suddenly become single, I would be in Tampa tomorrow throwing my nuts around like a vendor at baseball game - my bag flying in all kinds of directions.

For example, my brother is 39, single, no kids - makes about 80-90K. Lives in Tampa. He's effortlessly spinning about 4 plates right now - all late 20s. His strategy is simple - date them until they fuck shit up and then replace them.

These feminized millennial chicks suffer from hardcore cognitive dissonance - its a constant battle in their brains of what they believe and what they know. They believe the feminist bullshit - they know the red pill reality. Dating them for anything other than Mr Toad's Wild Ride is basically an exercise in futility. The secret is complete emotional detachment.

For example, my bro had one chick lined up for a potential meet with the fam tomorrow for Thanksgiving - she almost made LTR status so close - but recently did some untrustable shit and got downgraded. Whoops sorry no pumpkin pie for you - you don't get to meet the sister in laws. Bro just shrugged his shoulders and did a oh well. Right now he's in the middle of red head hot streak, he's just going with it.

Here's the thing - these girls get with a guy and spend a little QT where some shit seems like it could happen and instead of playing their cards right they either do some scandalous shit or fall for some other player's bullshit line and then end up with nothing - rinse and repeat. YAY FEMINISM!

If you're a single dude and you have total outcome independence - and properly know what your worth is - when No 1 girl fucks up the deal you don't get all heartbroken butthurt about it - you just call up one of girls 2 thru 5 and keep on trucking. The schedule of which these girls self destruct is like clockwork - highly convenient - you can set your watch to it. It's like email marketing - you're adding and subtracting to the list all the time.

With all this free milk, who the fuck cares about unicorns?

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (8 children)

If these women have never had kids they can make a few adjustments to their life and can put themselves in the top 20% of single women in their mid-late 30s and they will find a guy. He may not be 6'2" male model, 250k per year executive type. But there are dudes out there willing to be her dude.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Yeah but she doesn't want a non-pareto guy.

She doesn't want a guy who is maturing a bit late or isn't male model hot.

She wants Mr. 6 figure salary and 6 pack abs and she's discovering that guy doesn't want her.

Of course being a drama queen and unwilling to explore a relationship with a guy who might only make $50K and doesn't have a chiseled square jaw line and thick wavy black hair - makes her sad enough to require psychotropic drugs and be suicidal.

Holy fuck what a world we live in.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I know a chick, she is in her early 30s. She has a successful job working at a lab doing diagnostic testing (not like she is a developer or creating something). She is short, she used to be fat but now she is just a bit chubby. She probably makes $70k per year.

Holy hell. She constantly complains how the dudes around her don't make enough money. Even though she is a lonely cat herder. Even though she owns her own home. Her minimum requirement for her companionship is that you make significantly more than she does. She figures the guys that go after her are losers and "most guys make over $100k per year". Just to show you that the bottom 90% of men are invisible to women, even women in the bottom half.

I brought it up with her and her response was "I expect to travel the world with my mate and I don't expect to pay for ANY of their costs"

Bitch. Any dude who is rich enough to go on a three week vacation to Italy can do a million times better than you. What would you rather do? Take a 9-10 to Italy where she will go topless on the beach but require you to pay her ticket or take a 4 to the Italy where you don't have to pay her way?

[–]FeeFeeFeaster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

or take a 4 to the Italy where you don't have to pay her way?

Fuck Italy, I wouldn't take a 4 to dinner. This girl's out of her mind if she thinks I'll be seen out of the house with her.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wish you were exaggerating, but I know a woman who is exactly like this (considering what she brings to the table, she's so hilariously delusional it's not even funny). Has lots of casual sex, but probably never an actual boyfriend.

She's an exception, though. Most late singles I know (not that there are that many of them) usually had their share of relationships but never managed to get one that stood the test of time.

[–]verify_account 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's quite sad. How many posts do you see of guys upset because that HB10 model won't fuck them? A lot of us are happy to spin some HB6 plates and focus on our hobbies.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

The best reason I can think of for feeling legitimately sorry for a post-wall woman is if they were in a committed relationship from 20 through to 30 (Or similar timeline) and get replaced for a younger piece of ass. That just doesn't gel with me. But if they rode the CC and now they're bitching about "where have all the good men gone", well, I find it hard to be sympathetic.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This was more of a fear for our parents and grandparents. Millennial women don't believe they will ever be replaced by a younger woman. The dude will be in for a world of divorce hurt, especially if they have been married longer than a decade, he is remotely successful, and they have children or own any assets.

The reality is if she is hotter than 70% of women in her age group. Maintains herself +2 points, is cool as fuck, a dude would have a difficult time wanting to replace her. You very rarely find chicks who beat all that stuff.

The women I know who got replaced were mostly fairly shitty. They kept the sexy at a 1-2. They spent money like mad. They gave their dudes shit all the time. A lot of time they went 100% mommy when they should have gone like... 70% Mommy.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Millennial women don't believe they will ever be replaced by a younger woman.

Yeah, I guess that's the other side of the coin. I mean, I am well aware of the constant bombardment with all these messages of how awesome career women over 30 are, how interesting, how mature, how accomplished, how little they need hand-holding yadda yadda yadda. One might get the impression they are the most desirable specimen on the planet.

What if women heard the same messages over and overa gain and actually developed the idea that no good guy would ever contemplate doing that? After all, don't forget that women tend to conflate "I love him" with "is a good guy".

[–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Feminism lies to men by telling us that being nice and supportive will get us the girl of our dreams.

Feminism lies to women by telling them they are entitled to a great guy, and to never settle for less.

The only people who seem to be gaining anything from the rise in feminism are natural alphas. I feel like it makes sense though, every woman's natural and innate desire is to do everything she can to please an alpha male. It seems like the female gender has banded together to achieve this goal.

[–]johnchapel 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The only people who seem to be gaining anything from the rise in feminism are natural alphas.

Can I make a small addendum? I made a post about this a few months ago. I would explicitly submit that the only people who gain anything from the rise of feminism are everyone EXCEPT feminists. This includes the self-identifying male feminists as well.

A morally bankrupt movement hurts only those that buy into it, as the remainder see it for what it is. Which both sets the rest of us as the intellectually and socially superior, and serves as a litmus test to weed out people we really don't want any part of.

[–]gr0gnerd 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Feminism lies to women by telling them they are entitled to a great guy, and to never settle for less.

Most women nowadays can get a damn good guy if they make it a serious goal to get married by 23, and take the basic steps needed towards that goal: Don't get fat, take care of your skin, keep your N count low, act feminine, look for guys who will commit.

(Of course, if every woman did that, most of them would end up with average guys, just as they did through all of human history before about 50 years ago)

[–]Hoodwink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes, I think feminism is, in a small part, a strategy to sabotage other women. "Body acceptance", "slut walks", and thinking that cunty behavior is empowering. It's like a deliberate sabotage of the competition.

[–]Five_Decades 8 points9 points  (0 children)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wk0vJV6OqeQ/TjujkDkBmnI/AAAAAAAABO4/PditaoNOHVE/s320/AfterSR.jpg

The sexual revolution made dating/mating miserable for everyone but the top 10% of men. Everyone else is worse off.

80-90% of men are largely locked out of the dating market while women chase high quality men who have too many options to commit, and the women end up unhappy because they can't get a relationship with a guy out of their league. And when those women hit the wall and all of a sudden the guys they ignored and laughed at in their 20s are 'good enough' post wall, the guys know it is a raw deal and many opt out (hence why forums like TRP are so popular, this place is full of men who know we are being given a shit sandwich and told to think it is chocolate).

And top women are depressed because men who used to be their equals are now too busy banging tons of 7s and 8s to commit to a 9 or 10.

Sadly though this is how natural selection works. The most genetically adept minority of men do most of the mating. That is how a species adapts to environmental threats. It sucks, but this is the natural state of a fast evolving species facing a population surplus (species with population deficits or who do not evolve rapidly have less fussy requirements from females).

[–]vicious_armbar 110 points111 points  (15 children)

"The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers..."

Ahh sweet revenge! Don't worry honey. I'm one of the user's that you rejected in your early 20's, has managed to avoid the marriage trap, and looks like great husband material. I'll be by to give you false hope; then pump you and dump you soon. I think I just got a justice boner!

[–]JohnGalt316 30 points31 points  (1 child)

actually it isn't revenge at all

she still has plenty of guys thirsting after her

she would rather die alone than lower her standards

truth is that most of these CC riders will lower their standards and marry BB in their 30s. very few will end up like this and she can easily fix her situation by settling today.

[–]Lord_NShYH 45 points46 points  (7 children)

"You pumped and dumped me."

"It was my privilege."

"Scumbag!"

"Next! Lose my number, bitch."

[–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] 30 points31 points  (2 children)

"You pumped and dumped me."

"It was my privilege."

Oh god that's fucking gold.

[–]life036 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Haha, guess you missed the bandwagon on that one: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/it-was-my-privilege

[–]StarDestinyGuy[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh fantastic. You just made me day - I know what I'll be doing when I have a little downtime later today. Thanks man!

[–]tio1w 7 points8 points  (1 child)

"Next! Lose my number, bitch."

No, you always use a different number except for professional reasons.

[–]GnonSequitur 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Except the wheels of the next stage of horror have already started turning.

"You pumped and dumped me."

"It was my privilege."

"Rape!"

For all those saying "enjoy the decline" - we haven't hit rock bottom yet, and none of us really know how deep this rabbit hole can go.

[–]Lord_NShYH 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Perhaps all break-ups should be done in public or the plate should just be ignored, and allowed to grow mold.

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[–]teeelo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Man this subreddit is now flooded with phase 1 angry neckbeards.

No shit.

Where else exactly are they allowed to grieve?

Skipping anger phase is not bettering yourself!

[–]YuriJackoffski 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We already lifted massive weights brah, chillout

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Despite the tale of woe, she still refuses to budge her standards and would rather stick it out with her cats. Hilarious.

[–]Teatach 24 points25 points  (5 children)

"The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers..."

My old beta self would be so offended by this. I used to think that I was a really good guy. I had several "good" relationships which lasted more than 2-4 years. Whenever the "marriage" came up, I simply felt I was "too young" and ended up escaping their claws by traveling to new countries without them.

I lost total interest in women for for a while, and I'm in my early 30's now. Recently picked up the game again, and yes I did feel like a loser on my first dates. Going up against experienced ladies (no matter how ugly or pretty) who has been riding the CC since they hit puberty. Experienced player vs someone who hasn't touched the game in ages, guess the outcome.

Fact is, there are a lot of good guys out there who have "good potential" and whom are single. But unless you're like Chad, women will not be interested and you'll only risk ending up abused in all kinds of ways.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 49 points50 points  (8 children)

Wow, that is pretty bleak take on the whole wall concept. While it is true that women typically are their hottest at 18-24, it is not like they have to abandon all hope at their 29th birthday. Hit the gym, eat right, get your sleep, avoid drugs and booze, stay employed, etc., and a gal can be reasonably attractive well into her 40s, assuming her genetics are not crap. Fail to do those things and welcome to America's obese nation.

Just another example, I think, of how women don't understand in full what they are gifted at about age 15 and how to carefully caretake such a gift. But yeah, if you keep thinking you can binge eat pizza, smoke, party all night and run up credit card debt, and your 30s will be like your 20s....woman, do I have news for you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 38 points39 points  (3 children)

A women this bleak is probably already overweight and too emotional to break the cycle.

A large portion of young women is only after comfort and validation. Thousands of basic bitches who spent all their time on their phone or watching Netflix in bed with their favourite snacks. Absolutely disgusting behavior.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 27 points28 points  (0 children)

While it is true that women typically are their hottest at 18-24, it is not like they have to abandon all hope at their 29th birthday.

The problem is more that a wall-woman like the one in the OP has failed to make a timed transition to "permanent LTR-mode". The sooner you make it, the easier it is.

If you try to find Mr. Right when you're basically just a more boring and usually also less attractive version of who you were in your 20s, but expect a guy who is willing to tie the knot and have kids with you within the year (i.e. skip the lighthearted "let's get to know each other and have fun for a few years"-period), I can see why dating is terrible if you were used to things being smooth and fun.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Her expectations have not adjusted to her reality. Hence, the problem.

[–]1Jax77789 90 points91 points  (7 children)

Look how this bitch acts all picky on men open to post-wall shrivelled brats like her. What did you expect girl, are we supposed to wait for you to finish riding the CC ? I smile seeing you cry. That is comeuppance for all the men whose lives and hearts you gave no flying fuck breaking to pieces because you just "felt" like it.

Reminds me of a stupid woman I talked to a year ago, 30, complained how miserable and old she felt when she found out on FB her BF she dumped had had a kid ...

I am not swayed by these emotional pity pleas any more. These post-walls deserve every bit of the shit life they brought upon themselves.

[–]truthiesttruth 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I smile seeing you cry. That is comeuppance for all the men whose lives and hearts you gave no flying fuck breaking to pieces because you just "felt" like it.

I remember my first day on TRP too

[–]VinylGuy420 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Everyone has an anger phase.

[–]longerdistance 17 points18 points  (3 children)

She should get a fucking life. There's more to life then relationships for Christ's sake.

This woman clearly has nobody to hold her to a higher standard, at least men have the benefit of some societal expectations to help us grow the fuck up. Our pandering to these victimhood-olympics is killing human potential.

To any of you who are still in the anger-phase, remember this. The next time you feel like a victim or that life is unfair, embrace the pain, because that is exactly what will make you grow. Pity those who buy into their own victim-hood, they are a wasted life, they will never live to see their potential, but you will.

[–]tio1w 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She should get a fucking life. There's more to life then relationships for Christ's sake.

There's the thing. For her that's al, there is.

She completely lacks the ability to be an independent person. She needs to absorb personality from someone else.

I call these sponge humans.

[–]verify_account 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's more to life then relationships for Christ's sake.

That's not how females work. Don't equate them to men; they can't be happy alone like us.

[–]LuvBeer 34 points35 points  (5 children)

"loser"=not 6'2" or over, six pack, and C-suite job

"user"=less wealthy than her

"abuser"=argues back

[–]Dishmayhem 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I figured 'user' meant alcoholic/addict

[–]dainethemain 15 points16 points  (1 child)

"User" in this context is anyone who p&d's her, because after a decade or two on the cc she deserves someone to settle down with

[–]fit_to_fight 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I feel no sympathy for this woman whatsoever. At 49 I've been passed over for the younger, hotter bad boy loser many times. I get it, I don't fault the guys. But I did discover RP a while back and it motivated me to make the necessary changes. Hitting the gym and eating well has put me in the top 10% of guys my age because the overwhelming majority are fat fucks. Now, I date in the 35-40 range and have no problem picking up attractive women and I'm content in the knowledge that I can trade them out for an equal replacement with little trouble if they pull any shit with me. Feminism has ruined women but it's paying dividends in my age bracket.

[–]cariboo_j 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Daily life is drudgery and there’s no shoulder to cry on, no partner to share good times with, no safety or security

Da fuq did you do to earn it?

You think men should be lining up to give you safety and security... why?

[–]Five_Decades 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Because she showed up and asked for it. Men are viewed as expendable/replaceable resources to be mined (financial, genetic, social, etc) to many women the way they'd view a car or a bank account.

In fact many women who have all these long checklists just want a guy who they can show off to their friends. The guy himself isn't that important.

[–]OpenPacket 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'd bet she had a dozen guys offering her safety, security and comittment. They just weren't hot/rich enough.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 13 points14 points  (9 children)

In men’s minds, there absolutely IS a wall.

That's The Wall is real. The problem the Hamsters have is that they're deluded about it, whilst Men are compelled to face facts far sooner in life and live in a Reality-Based Environment.

The only thing that's so shocking is how so many Hamsters are amazed that, after years of riding the CC, boozing it up, swinging from chandeliers and giving the pussy up to douchebags and outlaw bikers, they wake up at 35 and wonder "Why will no on marry me?"

Because you're a used up cum dumpster, that's why. A guy who marries you isn't "winning" in the end, he's stuck with a petri dish that's seen more splooge than a sperm bank.

I'm not in a hurry to LTR/wife up any of my plates, but if I did, why shouldn't it be the 19 y.o. or one of the 21 y.o.s? After all, they're willing to give me their best years.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

they wake up at 35 and wonder "Why will no on marry me?"

The reason is: because marrying her would be a terrible fucking deal.

What amazes me is that they don't see it from the guy's view at all. Like they expect the guy to make terrible choices for himself in the face of better options. It's as if they believe screaming and stamping their feet is going to make their entitled little dream come true.

I get the solipsism.... but even with just a tiny bit of projection (something women excel at in other areas), most people will realise that other people make fairly rational choices for themselves.

These women just seem to have this crazy wishful-thinking of "I want therefore the world must provide" mentality and some crazy hyperdrive hamstering going on to make them believe it's going to happen like that for them.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The reason is: because marrying her would be a terrible fucking deal.

Oh, believe me, I've seen it first hand. I'm 48 and there are 35 y.o. post-Wall, "reformed" carousel riders who think that either I'm 'too old' for them (still hanging on to that false hope of denial) or that they're 'entitled' to a man such as myself, and I should be 'grateful' b/c they're 'young' compared to me, and thus I should eat whatever plate of shit they offer and tell them how good it tastes. Not.Gonna.Happen.EVER.

The shit blizzard of hating and shaming that erupts from them when they discover that I am dating/mating/plating women 10-15 years younger than they are is priceless--I tell them if only to watch their heads explode (although they'd be smart to draw something from The Lesson, while there is still (fading) hope for them.)

[–]malariasucks 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I'm not sure how old you are but everyone is different. I am in my early 30s and there's no way I would ever date someone 21. Dating someone with a little more experience in life and more than 1-2 years out of college is much more attractive (aside from looks).

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Hey, it's a free country, go after what you like.

As for me, I'm very selective, so the young ones are exceptional, not your typical Kardashian-obsessed attention whores.

[–]0kool74 9 points10 points  (0 children)

but in the real world, being a single woman over 30 with even the most basic of standards is like being stuck at the bottom of the bargain bin at the grocery store

The part that is funny about this is if they had it to do all over again knowing what they now know, the probability is high that they'd still do the same things.

[–]citizenkane66 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Guys - something you should know about this poster:

The receptionist at my doctor’s office congratulated me today. “For what?” I asked. After a pause, she replied, “ ... you’re expecting?” “No, just fat,” I said, as I hurried out the door. Thanks, universe, for the reminder that my body is wrong. This has been happening for a decade, at least. I already felt too unattractive to ever find love again (I have the dreaded stomach-sticks-out-more-than-her-tits figure but from behind I look fairly “normal” weight) and now I barely want to leave the house.

So it's more than just post-wall. She is literally a hambeast.

[–]scarletspider3 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Some females are smart enough to know about the wall, I've had a few women tell me about it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

These poor women. I can actually empathize with them. Because when I was 13-26 I was more or less in an identical place. I know what it is like for everyone you are interested in to think you are beneath them. I know what its like ladies, and I experienced it from you.

[–]1raceAround126 40 points41 points  (13 children)

To be honest, reading her words, she has increased her SMV by a good many points. If she maintains that attitude and actually treats a guy well, she has some hope.

But on average, most 30+ single women are entitled as fuck and make no bones about making sure you know it.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (11 children)

How does that increase her SMV? What man wants to be with a woman who says when her pets die, she'll be "free to die too"? Depression isn't attractive at all.

[–]1clownShoe 22 points22 points [recovered]

I think what he meant was that she seems to understand the plight of the 30+ woman and is realizing that she may have to lower her standards and actually treat a guy well to keep him around. but you're right, depression is totally unattractive.

[–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 38 points39 points  (1 child)

A woman that depressed, lonely, and baby thirsty will pull every dirty move in the book to get what she wants. She literally has nothing left to lose. The first decent guy she sees she'll trap with a pregnancy like a drowning man reaching for anything to keep his head above the water.

Just look at her post, she doesn't have a plan to raise her SMV to men. She's a victim of society, eating tubs of ice cream in tears while she waits for a great guy to "man up" and save her and her cats.

A postwall woman is a wounded animal backed into a corner.

[–]vicious_armbar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just look at her post, she doesn't have a plan to raise her SMV to men.

Great point. Even women in their mid 30's can get in very good shape with a strict regimen of diet and exercise. As well as learning to lower their unrealistic standards and become more obedient, kind, feminine, caring, etc. But she doesn't raise her SMV to get what she wants. Which you would think should be a priority for her if she really wants a partner. Instead she blames everyone but herself. With that kind of behavior she'll get no sympathy from me.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 5 points6 points  (4 children)

This doesn't increase her SMV, though. And she doesn't seem as if she wanted to lower her standards tbh.

[–]1clownShoe 3 points3 points [recovered]

Yeah i think he was reading between the lines a bit. she's at very least, aware. now she just needs to figure out how to achieve happiness given her new found awareness.

[–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Issue is it will likely be at the expense of some hapless jackass that came to the bargaining table in good faith instead of actually going to the effort of making herself as good a prospect as she reasonably can at this point.

In between rounds of throwing herself at the nearest Chad who is willing to dumpster dive in order to get female desperation fueled kinks on demand.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How to achieve happiness given her new found awareness? Easy. Lower her standards.

[–]whenfoom 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Capt. Save-a-Ho gets boners from distress signals.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wondered exactly the same.

[–]barmaleo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She may talk all the right words, but still act on feelings

[–]Five_Decades 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This deserves another post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gfxjAaZg0

[–]1deltron80 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m still not able to come to terms with the fact that my love life is over and the next however-many decades are going to be ... like this.

But she can still get more sex with higher quality partners than 90% of men...she just can't get plowed out by 10's on demand anymore.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is a bit of fantasy revenge porn in this post. Not every former CC riding hottle will die alone with their cats.

To maximize YOUR sexual strategy then you shouldn't indulge too much of this. Especially when there are hordes of betas dying to be her second prize.

Keep the focus on yourself

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The only hope for this woman is to hit the gym hard and get a super hot body - then men will start paying attention again - but her window is like 2-3 years tops for her to meet a guy, get married and have a kid. Well, unless she shortcuts and just gets oopsie pregnant with the best possible guy she can get into bed. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Women who take very good care of themselves and stay hot longer will fend off the wall for a few more years.

Some women hit the wall at 29 and others at 34. If a woman is beautiful men will want them.

At 35, well.... Very few women are still smoke shows beyond 35. And the ones that are smoke shows at 36-38 years old - the men they are attracting are probably not going to want kids. Only hope for a woman 35-40 to make the family dream happen is for them to be that hot and meet a guy 42-45 who is finally ready to settle down. But really what are the chances of that happening? Slim and none.

Also... Who wants to be 60 years old when their kid graduates high school? Then what? Be a grandparent at 70?

There are times when I see how sad it makes women when they follow this feminist mantra of careerism over everything else. They end up alone or like this woman said - sifting through the leftover detritus of eligible men who might want them.

A few of them get lucky and find a late bloomer type of guy - maybe a guy who was kind of a loser and then found himself in his 30s and got his life on track. It happens, but fuck that's some kind of long shot to bet your life on and there always is lingering baggage - like a batshit ex-wife, a criminal record, alcoholism, credit issues, etc... Best hope for these women is hope they get lucky and find a good fixer upper type of guy.

I read shit like this and I start feeling bad for these women. They've been bamboozled basically by clickbait journos and professional activists. But then I realize how cunty and nasty these women were since fucking ever and that cures me of whatever empathy I was starting to have.

I mean for real...? Bitches from Jezebel say every man who is against affirmative action practices and/or wants equal access to his kids is a white supremacist misogynist. As if wanting a mostly merit based society and not have your heart broken because you miss your children makes you a bad person. Seriously fuck them. They bought into these lies and now they are paying the price. They all think they will get the soft landing beta bux hubby, and some of them do - the smart ones who dramatically switch lifestyles at 28-29, but the ones who believe the hype and think they can do it easily at 33 miss their window. Then the tears flow and the prozac scripts get filled.

Really, this isn't about schadenfreude. Its just reality. Life is about choices and consequences. You make your choices and you get your consequences.

[–]caviarpropulsion 15 points16 points  (6 children)

The real question here is what are you doing reading Jezebel?

[–]1cmkinusn 18 points19 points  (4 children)

You can't survive on just the meat, you gotta eat the whole plate even if it doesn't taste good. He reads jezebel so he can understand the state of mind of women. Red pill truths are positively abundant on feminist boards.

[–]MCgrandRoyal[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Extremely red-pill article, followed by an extremely red-pill featured comment.

[–]Locastor 3 points4 points  (4 children)

unless they’re into men their dads’ age

The key to being that age and nailing Hamsters in their 30s is to stay young via lifting.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While funny I do admire the dedication of one person creeping on someone's disqus profile.

Lesson learned:

Don't post shit on the internet regularly because someone will creep on you. Especially if you've been tarred with the soggy knees brush.

[–]tio1w 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Knowing that my dog and cat need me is what keeps me from offing myself, too, but it’s less of an “I can’t give up!” feeling and more like, “I am trapped.” Once they’re dead I’ll be free to die, too."

I bet you all she won't go through with it She'll take some pill and miraculously fail.

[–]MrJugsMcBulge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Knowing that my dog and cat need me is what keeps me from offing myself, too, but it’s less of an “I can’t give up!” feeling and more like, “I am trapped.” Once they’re dead I’ll be free to die, too."

I have a feeling that, if this woman had found a partner, she'd probably be posting the exact same thing, except swap out "dog and cat" for "husband and child". Sounds like she's just screwed up mentally.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It doesn't always play out like this, especially with hotter women that can still snag an upper beta while in their early 30's. When it does happen it's like watching an impending train collision in slow motion. You can always tell which chicks will drop below the commitment threshold once they hit the wall.

You want to feel bad for these chicks because you know they're proper fucked now that there's almost nothing they can do to salvage their lost SMV, but then you remember that they had a literal decade to get their shit together and now they have to sleep in the bed they made.

Life as a man is pretty awesome. You can always do something to raise your SMV.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your words may feel pleasant and comforting to you but in the real world, being a single woman over 30 with even the most basic of standards is like being stuck at the bottom of the bargain bin at the grocery store.

Hey, she get's it! Probably not to her benefit to realize this late in life - that would be severely depressing. Probably why most women just put their hands over there ears and say "Lalala I can't hear you!"

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[–]TheDreadPill 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What is the original article?

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