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Field ReportHooked up with my ex-unicorn to prove AWALT to myself. Cognitive Dissonance abounds! (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Red_SoloCup

TLDR: I went home for Thanksgiving. While home, I fucked my high school girlfriend even though she has a boyfriend. While she was laying on my chest, she told me all about how much she likes him.

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Quick backstory. Back in my high school days (now a college Junior) I had a very BP relationship with my high school sweetheart. I was dominate in the relationship but it took 3 years of friendzone before we started dating and there was one hell of a rough start. Anyway, we dated for about a year and a half. We broke up halfway into freshman year of college and she became my first ever plate. She's always been a very good plate because we only see eachother during breaks and I always come back into town more attractive than I was when I last left. It's like winning a break up every single time. It's great.

Fast forward to last week. Went home for Thanksgiving break. She told me a month or so ago that she started dating someone. Good for her, if she's happy then I'm happy for her. Whatever, don't really care. I send her a snapchat of the airport when I land and she immediately texts me wanting to see me while I'm home. Green flag for me, red for him. I've never knowingly been the cheatee and always felt that it takes one hell of a douchebag to do it. Since TRP, my opinion on the matter has changed. Cheaters gonna cheat. So I decided to see what I could do. I wanted to shove that bitter AWALT pill deeper down my throat. I really thought she was a unicorn, I wanted to prove to myself that they don't exist.

I followed the guide /u/dr_warlock posted to a small extent. I knew that this wasn't a standard interaction, so I didn't treat it as such. I responded after an hour or so and made tentative plans for that night, knowing that I would cancel. A few hours later, things got interesting.

I cancelled the plans in order to spend time with my family and said maybe we could hang out later that night once everyone is asleep. She was bummed and sent me a snap of her shower with the caption "So many memories..." (we fucked in her shower a lot in high school. Shower sex is tight.) which I ignored. Later that night, she asked what I was up to:

"Thinking about what I'd be doing if I came to your place and took advantage of your parents being asleep."

"oh...like what?"

"I'd rather show you."

She wasted an hour or so trying to get it out of me instead of asking me over, and when she finally did I said I was too tired. Fuck that bitch. I told her we could get coffee 2 days later.

The next day, I hung out with another girl I'd been talking to. Made out but no sex (parents were home). The day after she came over in the morning when no one was home and we fucked like rabbits. Fantastic sex marathon to start off my day. She leaves, and I went to coffee with my ex.

It's amazing how casual everything feels when you've already nutted 3 times by your coffee date at noon. We talked and I was very disinterested the whole time (shit, I was done for the day. She's boring.) Everything was going fine, nothing spectacular, until the other girl walks into the coffee shop.

Totally unplanned. Turns out she used to work there and loves their coffee. So I see other girl and start cracking up. Ex couldn't figure it out until she saw the other girl blushing. Then it all dawned on her. She was pissed, and it was perfect.

"What hell? When did you hook up with her?" (normally I wouldn't answer, but this was perfect.)

"Uhhhh looks at watch about 2 hours ago."

"You're such a slut." feign disgust

So we talked for another ten minutes or so and went our separate ways. She was annoyed, but I knew it was a good thing so I let it fester. This is turning into a book, so I'll fast forward to a few days later.

She came over, we spent the day hanging out. She kept trying to touch me and I firmly shut her down every time. I friendzoned her for a few hours and she couldn't handle it. I let her touch me more and more as time went on but would occasionally push her away. After a few hours of her trying to touch me while I was watching football, she started floating her lips closer to mine. I let that go a few times before I kissed her hard, and she came right back. Game on.

20 minutes later her panties are torn off (Sex God Method style. Do it, it's fucking awesome.) and I'm fucking her brains out. She was wetter than I had ever felt her and was begging me to pull off the condom. That's a new one from her.

Afterwards, she laid on my chest on the couch. This is the shit that I still can't wrap my head around. I offhandedly mentioned getting another girl over and having a threesome. At first, she balked. Then she warmed up to the idea and admitted that "it would actually be really hot...". She had never gone that far before. Immediately after that, though, she said "...but that'd be cheating!"

Rewind. We just fucked. She was laying naked on my chest. She had actually split the situations in her head to a point where fucking me isn't actually cheating. The sheer cognitive dissonance blew my mind and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. Then she went on for like 10 minutes about how much she likes this guy. Whatever, it was all bullshit. She probably just didn't know it.

Lessons Learned: If you're a beta boy, you're fucked when an alpha inevitably comes along. If she's had better dick than yours, there's a much greater chance of her cheating. And even if she hasn't, all guns are loaded.

I can't believe I once thought about marrying her. I can't believe I once thought about marrying.


[–][deleted] 434 points435 points  (40 children)

Lemme guess; she's uneducated in a small/boring town? And you're a college junior, presumably in a successful major?

And she wanted to ditch the condoms? Watch your six bro. This one is trying to branch swing ; her comment 'that would be cheating' is because she already has decided she's in a relationship with YOU. Weird, but bear with me.

Here's the skinny; regardless of what the females say, most of the time they've already sized us up for leg irons-I mean wedding bands from the word go. They know better then to say that immediately of course. But make no mistake , even Joe Thug she dreams of one day domesticating into a suit and tie wearing member of Betadom.

The greater the Alpha, the greater the female ego prides herself on having broken. When women show off their husbands who backslid from Alpha to Beta obedient, its in effect to say "see that ex-quaterback college/military/drug dealing stud ? The one over there changing diapers for my kid? IM THE ONE WHO BROKE HIM LADIES ".

Hence the context of the statement. The hamster had a freudan slip; she sees you two as being together and a third person in the threesome being " cheating". You just got a glimpse at the naked singularity that is the female reproductive imperative. Like a black hole, its invisible in the visual spectrum but wreaks gravitational havoc on the quantum level.

Not trying to say you shouldn't hit it, just make sure you wrap that shit up and don't let her corner you. Cowgirl is definitely OUT with this one. Almost got burned when an ex shoved me to the bed and hopped on my dick like it was an ejection seat on the Titanic. Totally went "wait lemmme get the condo--oh dayum that feels awesome..fuck it"

The next 14 days sucked horribly . Ex loved it, I was praying to every god ever invented in human history that I didn't knock her up. Don't end up like me, praying to Anubis this ones not knocked up.

[–]Moolg86 40 points41 points  (1 child)

"see that ex-quaterback college/military/drug dealing stud ? The one over there changing diapers for my kid? IM THE ONE WHO BROKE HIM LADIES ".

This is mine; this is where my babies come from

[–]EmDeeEx14 16 points17 points  (0 children)

And suddenly that scene makes so much more sense..

[–]Red_SoloCup[S] 132 points133 points  (12 children)

That's one hell of a way to put it. I absolutely wrapped it up, but now I'm looking at that comment from a whole different light. Shit, bitches are crazy.

EDIT: To your first question, close. I'm a junior in STEM and an athlete to boot. She's goin to school as well but floating around (she's getting her Mrs. degree, no doubt about it.)

[–]1Sir_Distic 63 points64 points  (10 children)

That's what I immediately thought.

She wasn't talking about her old boyfriend, she was talking about her new boyfriend (you). The raw comment made me concerned for a moment. Unless you've had a V. Don't do it. And when you're done the condoms are yours not hers. Flush them yourself.

[–]Stythe 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Can you go more in depth in this? Or point me in the direction that would help me understand it?

What I'm assuming is that this girl is just nuts and when you said OP was her now current bf (despite the fact that she was cheating on her bf) is because she gave into her whims and fucked him, making him the current most important man in her life. If that's correct then the comment she made about a threesome being cheating makes sense. If not, I'm lost.

Also how is it not cheating on her bf because she slept with him (her ex) already? Is that an actual, common thing? Like it doesn't count because it isn't some new guy?

Any insight on these would be useful to me. I get a lot if this, but certain scenarios still confused me in the overall scheme if things.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Also how is it not cheating on her bf because she slept with him (her ex) already?

She's not nuts, just entitled.

I'm of the mind that women generally tell the twuth.

Twue |tWōō| noun: in accordance with a woman's feelings at that moment

Twuth |tWōōth| noun: that which is twue in accordance with a woman's feelings at that moment

At that particular moment, she felt that the OP was her boyfriend. Why? Because doing so allowed her justify her actions and avoid internal judgement.

Feelings => Decision => Rationalization

OP wasn't the most important man in her life. He just had something she wanted. To avoid internal judgement, she felt like she wasn't really in a relationship boyfriend and then she felt like she was in a relationship with the OP.

To her, all of this was twue.

I mean, otherwise, she'd be a cheating skank, right? But she knows, based on how she felt at that moment, that she wasn't a cheating skank, so it must be twue.

Edit: removed "wasn't" from "wasn't being" in last line.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, so horrible but true.

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got it. Its what I figured. Thanks.

[–]Hrodrik 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Don't fucking flush condoms. Take them with you in a bag if you need to.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or fill them with hot sauce.

[–]TRPhd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't flush them if you have a septic, you can flush them in municipal systems.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've heard that said, but has anyone ever actually had a condom clog a toilet? I mean I never have.

[–]EscortSportage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It happens, a dude i know like an idiot that he is flushed the condom down the toilet in the hotel room and ruined the evening and next day when we didnt have a toiler anymore...it happens.

[–]icecow 21 points22 points  (0 children)

With her you better flush the condoms and not cum in her mouth.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Don't end up like me, praying to Anubis

It's 4:30am and I'm up early laughing my ass of.

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    [–]fortheloveofpercy 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    Asked for a Vasectomy at 18, told no. Again at 19, 20 and 21 each year being told i couldn't possibly know what i really wanted at this age. Three different doctors.

    I normally always use a condom but i don't even remember fucking her. She got me that drunk, three bars and paid for all of the drinks. Refused plan B when i offered it because "she couldn't get pregnant; cervical cancer."

    She's expecting in May and my family doctor refuses to do a vasectomy because "obviously I'm emotional about the situation."

    On the bright side Planned Parenthood has put me in touch with a few doctors more willing to work with my wishes.

    [–]Specter242 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    Dude. "I normally always use a condom but i don't even remember fucking her. She got me that drunk, three bars and paid for all of the drinks." That's rape.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]Specter242 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      So true and sad that you may get injustice instead of justice if you try to just because you are male.

      In spite of it all I wish you the best of luck and hope nothing like this happens to you again. Just be the best father you can be to your child

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 6 points7 points  (9 children)

      Really close to pulling the trigger, and when/if so, can't wait for my first fake pregnancy scare. It really is going to be a hilarious and glorious thing.

      [–]TurgidMeatWand 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Remember to actually wait as long as the doctors tell you to before having sex, no telling how many live rounds are still in your prostate

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

      If I were you I would hold up for the vasagel.

      Vasectomies just seem so permanent.

      My pops got one and regretted it.

      His pretty little second wife wanted babies, he wanted more.

      A lot of shit can change in 20-30 years and likely you will still be fertile then.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      True, but FFS I keep hearing about Vasagel but I feel like it's one of those things that won't ever come to fruition. It's just too good to be true. It would put the power back in our hands. No more counting on "I'm on the pill" to be true or not. Yeah, men could wear condoms or be pull out masters, but this is something that would truly make reproduction our decision.

      Plus, the YT videos and blog posts of stories about women fucking other dudes and getting pregnant and trying to trap someone would be so plentiful. It would be glorious.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Add hot tubbing to your male birth control techniques. Stack rubbers and hot tubbing everyday after you lift and you have a pretty good chance of not knocking girls up.

      And yeah, I remember a post about a dude with a vasectomy who was the target of an attempted paternity fraud. Thats justice.

      [–]Moobx 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      might be a bit expensive but what about freezing your sperm? can get vasectomy and still have kids later if you change your mind.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I have heard the redheaded prince of England (Harry?) had that done.

      The story goes that once the royal family realized he was a shit kicker and a Chad they decided that a passel of royal bastards was inevitable unless they took action.

      Sometime in his teens he saved up a bunch of jizz in a bunch of different sperm banks around the world then they had him get a vasectomy.

      Combine his playboy lifestyle and the fact that he probably is Diannas bastard with that cavalry officer and it seems like a pretty legit idea.

      [–]Moobx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      dam how much sex would you have to be having that your family decides to empty your balls

      [–]EscortSportage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      There is a god! Vasagel!

      Thanks for mentioning it, ive been thinking about a Vasectomy for a while now.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Hence the context of the statement. The hamster had a freudan slip; she sees you two as being together and a third person in the threesome being " cheating". You just got a glimpse at the naked singularity that is the female reproductive imperative. Like a black hole, its invisible in the visual spectrum but wreaks gravitational havoc on the quantum level.

      Holy motherfucking shit, I wish I could buy you a beer, sir. That makes perfect hamstering sense, and blows the mind a little.

      FFS - OP shows just how we (men) think logically (ie, we all though the girl was talking about cheating on her current bf), and /u/IliadsTangent shows how women think emotionally (having 3some with said girl and another girl is cheating in said girl's mind bc she FEELS like her and OP are now going to date again, so she can't do that bc she LOVES OP!).

      Fucking hell, I love and hate this sub at the same time. Love the truth bombs, sometimes hate the truth.

      [–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      Excellent comment. I am awarding you with a point.

      [–]Reddthrown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Shit. Same story with my ex. Thanks for that one.

      [–]1Snivellious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Thanks, this cleared up some parts of the story I still didn't get.

      I just couldn't work out why even someone properly delusional would whip out "That would be cheating" in the midst of cheating with OP. She's already justified fucking OP, so what's the harm in fucking OP and another woman?

      Then I read this and it all clicks. She already had something with OP in the past, so that's "different". He came back all high-status, and her current guy isn't impressive, so she wants to jump ship. Plus, with their history, she might think she has a leg up on breaking OP again.

      So now it's cheating to go outside this new partnership. If a second girl gets in on things, it relegates this first girl to a random slut OP hooked up with, and destroys any remaining chance she has of locking OP down again.

      Probably, she means it when she says that would be cheating. After all, that would be empty sex rather than a grab for a higher branch.

      [–]jcrpta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      And you're a college junior, presumably in a successful major?

      That bit's the truth, right there.

      I went back to my home town around the time I graduated - some years ago now. Degree in Computer Science; quite a few of my former classmates were learning the hard way that the cotton wool school wraps you in comes off fast.

      All of a sudden, girls who wouldn't even have spoken to me while I was there - I was far too geeky for them - were all keen on talking to me.

      AWALT, friend.

      [–]_Tactleneck_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Wow, powerful insight here!

      [–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 42 points43 points  (3 children)

      There are two possibilities in her saying that'd be cheating:

      The first is that, if you do in fact bring another girl into the equation, her sleeping with you and stepping out on her boyfriend becomes a hard reality. Remember a woman must maintain plausible deniability, especially when branch-swinging. Having someone else witness and participate in the act removes that option.

      The second possibility is that in her mind you are now 'hers'. By having a threesome, she is sharing you with another person - a person who might be more experienced in such scenarios and thus someone who is more likely to take you away. As sex is a woman's primary form of power, she takes a risk in agreeing to such a thing and consequently, must hamster a reason to avoid taking said risk.

      Note that in both possibilities, her cheating on her boyfriend is an irrelevant piece of information. This is enough to show you that for a woman, feelz come before realz and, more importantly, the game will always be in her favor. As such you should act accordingly.

      [–]Danedina 30 points31 points  (2 children)

      Or cheating with an ex isn't actually cheating because of some unwritten grandfather clause

      [–]choomguy 24 points25 points  (1 child)

      Yeah, it can't be cheating if the dick was already inside her. It doesn't increase her number so it's a free pass. They all are conscious of their number, because even in their eyes it defines their worth. But it's a closely guarded trade secret. And I think it's a reason why threesomes are taboo for women, as someone else mentioned, there's a witness.

      [–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      it's a reason why threesomes are taboo for women,

      She's also running the risk that the other girl will be better than her - after all, any girl willing to hook up with a couple is clearly going to be freakier than one who wants a stable relationship.

      [–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (2 children)

      Great FR. Not just a brag, but an eye-opener. One man's unicorn is another man's slut. Just remember, even if she's not a slut for you, she's a slut for someone.

      [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

      Girls love being sluts. They just don't want people to know it.

      [–]J_AsapGem 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      so fucking true mate, lmao i'm seeing this firehand in my home at the moment with a beta brother, head over heels for this girl.

      [–]MasterUm 69 points70 points  (39 children)

      was begging me to pull off the condom

      I wonder how old she is? Some serious stuff right there. I honestly hope you know better than to trust "I'm on a pill" speech.

      And yeah, good FR, in an amusing way. Made me chuckle. You got it figured out it seems.

      [–][deleted]  (29 children)

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        [–]torchbearer101 95 points96 points  (16 children)

        I'm lazy. Ya'll are men, you can use your Google.

        Any other sub and you would be down-voted to oblivion, god I love this place. Keep on keeping on.

        [–]RPmatrix 48 points49 points  (14 children)

        well I'll be fucked! And how they came to discover this was purely serendipitous, while they were trying to figure out why lesbians don't get 'synchronized periods' when living together like heterosexual women do! lol, cool.

        Semen is best known for what's not absorbed by the vagina, sperm, which swim through it on their way into the fallopian tubes where fertilization takes place. But sperm comprise only about 3 percent of semen. The rest is seminal fluid: mostly water, plus about 50 compounds: sugar (to nourish sperm), immunosuppressants (to keep women's immune systems from destroying sperm), and oddly, two female sex hormones, and many mood-elevating compounds: endorphins, estrone, prolactin, oxytocin, thyrotrpin-releasing hormone, and serotonin.

        Vaginal tissue is very absorptive. It's richly endowed with blood and lymph vessels. Given vaginal absorptiveness and all the mood-elevating compounds in found in semen, Gallup, Burch, and SUNY colleague Steven Platek wondered if semen exposure might be associated with better mood and less depression. They surveyed 293 college women at SUNY Albany about intercourse with and without condoms, and then gave the women the Beck Depression Inventory, a standard test of mood.

        Compared with women who "always" or "usually" used condoms, those who "never" did, whose vaginas were exposed to semen, showed significantly better mood--fewer depressive symptoms, and less bouts of depression. In addition, compared to women who had no intercourse at all, the semen-exposed women showed more elevated mood and less depression

        source can be found here

        [–][deleted]  (13 children)

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          [–]rockymountainoysters 21 points22 points  (3 children)

          Worst job in the world alert: The guy who has to pick all the little sperms out before you can sell it.

          [–]GuidoBandito 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Then there's the job loss problem: vasectomies.

          [–]Subcommandante_Khan 3 points4 points  (5 children)

          Sell women drugs to put in their pussies?

          Couldn't they just slip a xanax in there or somethin?

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          I remember there was a fad when I was younger where girls would soak tampons in vodka and stick them in their cooters.

          All the drunk, none of the calories.

          Fun fact the Incas used to get drunk to the point they couldn't drink anymore, then have their homeboys stick blow guns loaded with booze up their asses and give them alcohol enemas.

          The more you know.

          [–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          WTF? You're telling me I can shove X in a chicks pussy and it'll work?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Absolutely.

          Ever heard of plugging?

          People (or animals I guess too) can shove a pill up their asses and have better absorption of the drug.

          Pussy works the same way.

          [–]xfLyFPS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Sperm donor business is gonna start booming! Now they can't be picky and choose 5'9 men to masturbate into cups, they have to take plebeian 5'3 manlets like me as well.

          I get paid 20 bucks per nut, I get to masturbate and I can sleep soundly with the knowledge of thousands of women shoving my semen into their cunts.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          There was a show called Nip/tuck where these girls started selling face cream with jizz in it for similar reasons.

          [–]EscortSportage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Love that show! Christian Troy, talk about alpha

          [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 22 points23 points  (3 children)

          Not just that. Women will go into lockdown mode without even realizing. I have more women than I can count desperately try to pull me into them before I had a chance to grab a condom.

          I have had a woman give me a long sob story about how she could never get pregnant because of a car crash. She has three kids now. I called her on it and she said that she never actually went to a doctor but she just assumed it because she never got pregnant before. Lafter asked her if she never used protection before--no, she always did. Um. So then why are you trying to take me raw? A couple years later I brought it up and she denied ever saying any of it.

          I think the only that happened in that car crash was a hamster getting a concucion.

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          That selective memory stuff is pretty creepy, I think. I've experienced that too.

          [–]Borsao66 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I'm going to write a RPTheory post on this soonish actually.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          They should put that stuff on the outside if condoms then

          [–]xfLyFPS 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Why the negative karma? More opportunity to make money: oxytocin coated condoms.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          exactly. oxytocin serotonin tryptophan vasopresin prolactin coated condoms!

          [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 14 points15 points  (7 children)

          Same as me, 20. I know, right? And yeah, I know. Fuck that.

          [–]oskArtist 21 points22 points  (6 children)

          be careful; as you say yourself, your smv is trending upwards – hers, by virtue of being a woman past the age of 18, is going in the opposite direction

          it is not far fetched by any means of the imagination to assume she might be looking to secure commitment by means of pregnancy

          [–]RPmatrix 6 points7 points  (5 children)

          your smv is trending upwards – hers, by virtue of being a woman past the age of 18, is going in the opposite direction

          that's a bullshit assumption made by people who haven't dealt with many women.

          Most of the women I've known looked different at 22 from 18, and half of them looked better!

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          it peaks at different times for different women, some are hottest at 22, some at 25, some at 35, but they all drop off after a while. some drop off after 25, some after 35, but it's inevitable.

          the reason people say SMV for women drops off after 18 is not because they are less hot, but because there are less years left in their hotness. if a particular girl will lost half her hotness at the age of 32, then every year closer to that is one less year of having high SMV for her, even if it will be highest at 27..

          [–]RedPillscientist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's like a "what is the half life of a radioactive element" from chemistry lol.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

          I think 18 vs. 22 is quivaling over details.

          A girls potential hottness plateaus late teens early twenties, slowly declines until thirty, then the wall and and rapid drop off.

          [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It could be that she just wanted to feel his raw dick against her vaginal walls. Chicks prefer the feeling of unprotected sex too - especially with alphas.

          You're absolutely right though, that he should exercise caution, and not trust any claims of being on the pill.

          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

          "...but that'd be cheating!"

          Reminder: It's not cheating to a woman if she had sex with you before him.

          [–]EdmondDaunts 20 points21 points  (2 children)

          You know the more I read these things and from observations in my own life, I think the Hamstrer Wheel idea is actually doing a woman's behaviour a disservice.

          A Hamster Wheel you can get off and it's pretty clear when you are on it and when you aren't.

          I think it should be a Hamster Moebius Loop. She's never truly off it. When she thinks she is, it's still the same loop. There is no end to the hamstering, just different speeds.

          [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

          Hypergamy doesn't give a fuck.

          [–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Hypergamy do give a fuck. Multiple, if you're high-status.

          [–][deleted]  (9 children)

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          [–]obama_loves_nsa 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          this is why i refused to be with girls who don't worship me

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          "Got the Abs? He's got the money.

          Got the money? He's got the company.

          Got the company? He's got the Hedge Fund.

          Got the Hedge Fund? He's got the abs."

          Thats poetic. Seriously, that should be on an inspirational poster in locker rooms at the gym and such.

          [–]EscortSportage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I was just going to say something along those lines.

          [–]marplaneit 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          This. A thousand times this. I thought I was alpha, med school, good body, living alone, side bussinnes making parties, another side bussiness just starting, only 19.

          I lost a plate, not a big deal, but a 23 something guy came along, almost graduated as lawyer, former rugby player, daddy is the owner of store chaiN, better body and face than I do, drives a 70K USD mercedes (This is Argentina and the median salary is around 18K).

          The more alpha you are, the hardest is someone with outalpha you by pure stadistics, but will always happen.

          Extra: Best friend started a band for parties, I helped him to get into the night clubs, he plays the guitar and is lead singer. He went from getting no girls, to be swimming in pussy in like 2 weeks.

          Now imagine what a National Famous actor/Singer can do.

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            [–]Five_Decades 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Please have the other guy be Charlie Sheen in this story.

            [–]Five_Decades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yup. Plus even if you are a true alpha and she can't do better than you, she can still get bored and end up with a guy with a lower SMV than you just because he is new.

            Or you can fail their shit tests one too many times.

            There are so many ways that even if you are alpha you will still end up getting cheated on.

            [–]thefisherman1961 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            It's not cheating in her mind because you've already banged in the past. It would be cheating if she bangs someone new, hence her comment

            [–]mrmeyhemn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Afterwards, she laid on my chest on the couch. This is the shit that I still can't wrap my head around. I offhandedly mentioned getting another girl over and having a threesome. At first, she balked. Then she warmed up to the idea and admitted that "it would actually be really hot...". She had never gone that far before. Immediately after that, though, she said "...but that'd be cheating!"

            hamsters gonna hamster yo.

            The sheer cognitive dissonance blew my mind and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

            Why are you trying to wrap your head around it? shes a fucking woman, there is nothing to wrap your head around. hypergamy+hamster+tingles+fee fees= you balls deep

            edit: also, good job railing her. now, on to the next one.

            [–]invader_red 12 points13 points  (2 children)

            Never ever, ever rip a girls panties off. I don't care how much it makes you feel like a god. Do you know how incriminating it looks if she regrets the sex and says she got drunk and you forced yourself in her? Seriously? Come on.

            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            I haven't looked at it that way, but that's a great point. I'll keep it in mind.

            [–]invader_red 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Great post man, that's my only advice. It pains me to see guys being accuse of that shit.

            [–]plein_old 4 points5 points  (5 children)

            Yeah, cheaters gonna cheat.

            It's still a personal question for each person whether to do that or not. They say women depend on men for guidance, leadership, and their sense of morality. So what does it prove to take a woman who trusts you and manipulate her behavior into something you despise?

            TRP isn't moral or immoral, I don't think - it depends on each person's take on life. And what we think happens after.

            There is a whole sub for married red pill, btw. Though it might not appeal to everyone. Just saying there is more than one way to approach female psychology. If you set out to damage each woman you are with, you could end up "proving" that all women are awful. It's like the guy who sets out to prove that the whole world is against him. Or prove that he can't get a job. With that kind of mindset, what is he really proving?

            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            I've actually been struggling with that lately. I'm past the anger stage but I'm still seeing the worst in women. I'm trying to get to the point where I see it but also the best. Hard line to toe.

            [–]plein_old 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            Yeah I understand.

            I believe AWALT applies to: "women are more emotional than mental".

            Otherwise, I believe each woman is different depending on what her social environment is, now and in the past. Parents, tv shows, magazines, social media, previous boyfriends, these all create her belief system, morals, values, etc.

            Anyone can go on google right now and find a blog of a Christian rural housewife, and the last thing on her mind is branch swinging. She wants to win points with her social group and her husband, through her loyalty, her love, her cooking, etc. Or go to redpillwomen.

            Whereas a woman who has been with abusive "players" her entire life will think of nothing but branch swinging.

            Just my opinion.

            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I agree. There was a great post recently about how AWALT is essentially supposed to be interpreted as 'every gun is loaded.' Sure, not every girl is going to cheat or otherwise be a raging cunt. But every girl has the capacity to. Treat women the same way you treat guns - as if every one is loaded.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I wish people would say this more often, because it's totally true. At least for me, it's easy to hear all the RP stuff and totally distrust women because of that while over generalizing. There is always the potential to cheat, but there are quality women out there who are much less likely to do that. Don't worship them or be subservient to them, but we shouldn't always be paranoid about cheating and deception--just aware.

            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Exactly. I've heard somewhere around here that every girl has the "Fuck In the Alley" line. Every girl has a line where if a guy is above that line in SMV, she'll fuck him in the closest alley. For some girls, that line is exceptionally low. For others, it's pretty high. But they all have it.

            [–]NowBecoming 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Great write up. Could you please post a direct link to the guide /u/dr_warlock posted? Thanks.

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            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            I see "alpha" as a very contextual thing. For instance, any college football player is an alpha. However, if he's out on the town with his buddy in the NFL, he's the contextual beta. Obviously still more of an alpha than the nerdy drone drinking his sorrows away. There's always gonna be someone more alpha.

            [–]Buchloe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            What guide by warlock are you referring to? Interested to read it

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            [–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This is why I recommend real life experience. No one can tell you that you don't know what you're doing or thinking. You were there. You saw it with your own eyes.

            [–]DexterousRichard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Wow. I'm reaching a new level insight, I believe.

            Women are not actually "conscious" in the same way as men. Their consciousness is only of their mental stories, not of the real world, in a full and integrated way.

            To them it's as though their boyfriend world is completely separate from their Chad world, just like superman's world and the real world -- facts and reasoning don't cross worlds at all.

            [–]theforshizzalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Watch out man, that asking to pull the condom off thing is crazy talk. Don't let her anchor you. All said though, high five bro.

            [–]StrongButter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Mate, it's not that hard. You've got a win on your record by sleeping with her.

            [–]altjt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Amazing read. Laughed the whole way through.

            [–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            and was begging me to pull off the condom. That's a new one from her.

            In her mind your SMV was now higher than hers. That's where this comes from. Good game man!

            [–]Five_Decades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What role did the other plate play in everything? Could that be why she wanted to have sex raw w/o a condom? I don't see a lot of people mentioning the role the other plate played in how things turned out, like the OP played an accidental version of dread game.

            I think the woman, when she says 'that'd be cheating' means one of two things:

            1. She feels she is with you, and feels another woman coming into the mix is cheating.

            2. She feels she is with her new guy but feels being with you isn't cheating because you've had sex before.

            Either way, Cog. dissonance like the OP says but I'm not sure which one I'd ascribe to her statement.

            [–]JefemanG 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            2 things. Be careful bro, sounds like she's got trapping you on her mind. The cheating bit sounded like it was in reference to you, not her bf. She was throwing it out as bait to see if you'd bite.

            2nd...

            Sex God Method style.

            wtf is that?

            [–]Blackrubbermallet 0 points1 point  (6 children)

            Once again I'm not at all impressed with the quality of the posts here. "Cheaters gonna cheat" Shitty people do shitty things, that's no excuse to be one of them. A month from now when you're whining that some plate was banging someone else on the side it's going to be "what a whore".... Enabling the behavior is just adding to the problem.

            Edit: how you handled the situation was ...ok. But shady is shady.

            [–]ihateyouguys 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Can you offer an alternative rather than an indictment?

            [–]Blackrubbermallet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Absolutely. By all means, spin plates. But do so with some small sense of pride. The number of women I've met who were attached and simply told "it's too bad you're taken." Or "Call him up (the boyfriend) and tell him you are going home with me." That either come back a week or two later single, or call the beta right there and break the news is numerous. The attitude of "I am worth your time, but won't enable your behavior" works. Be honest, and have some integrity. It's just that simple.

            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            If she's banging someone else, she's gone. That simple.

            [–]topapito 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Nonono Red Solo, she doesn't need to be gone if she's banging someone else. Rather, it is much better if she is. At least in my opinion. Always assume she is unless you have full knowledge of her days and that is too much involvement for me.

            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I get the second part, but what makes it better?

            [–]topapito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What makes it better? The peace of mind. The acceptance of AWALT and reality. You would not be lying to yourself about women's ability to cheat, you know they will always like another dick, another chad. So you give them the freedom to fuck chad, and you adopt an I don't give a fuck attitude.

            This prevents them from ever demanding commitment from you because they cannot ask for it with a straight face, for me, perfect. I get the only benefits I'm interested in and no moral judgments from her ever.

            Caring about whether she fucks another chad demonstrates an emotional tie. Get rid of it and she will understand her place in your life and not fight it.

            [–]jasonmiles2014 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Seems like less and less of these posts are about any philosophies or self-improvement and more about, "Look what I did to this whore! I proved she's a dumb slut! I fucked her and proved she's nothing but a dumb ho!"

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            [–]Red_SoloCup[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Sidebar. The book Sex God Method.

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Daniel Rose - The Sex God Method

            MANHANDLING

            The first technique to manhandle your girl is called the door slam. When your girl is standing with her back towards a door, grab her and slam her back into it. Press yourself against her and start making out with her aggressively. This can also work with a wall, but works much better with a door. A door will have a some give to it, and the force of the blow will be distributed across her back. You can slam her fairly hard without causing her too much pain. In addition, a door will make a loud noise when you slam her into it, adding to the exciting Element of Dominance. A wall will cause her more pain and will not make as much noise, but can do in a pinch.

            The second is ripping her clothes off. Literally. This works best with her panties. When she’s particularly turned on and you notice she’s wearing old panties, put your hand inside them and twist them around your hand to make the ripping easier. Then, anchor her down to the bed with one hand, and pull HARD to rip her panties off with the other. Be sure you put some strength into it, as it will take more force to rip them off than you think. Also, pull to the side so that the force of the rip goes into her hip, not her sensitive anal and vaginal areas. Like the door slam, this creates the impression of Dominance without excessive pain.

            Another way to establish Dominance is by pulling her hair. To do this, grab her hair as close to the roots as possible and pull her head wherever you want. This works well when you’re behind her, sucking on her neck. Hold her by the hair while you do this and she’ll love it. This also works well when you’re making her look at you while you’re fucking her (a great way to increase Emotion, as discussed in the next section). Holding her by the hair to force her to look at you packs a powerful one-two punch of Dominance and Emotion. Finally, spanking your girl is always a great way of manhandling her. If you two start play-fighting with each other, wrestle her so that she is face down beneath you and pull her pants down. Then, throw her over your knee and spank her naked ass. Spank her HARD – this area of the body has a lot of muscle and fat cushioning, and can take considerable punishment before it hurts too much. If you do it right, the pain won’t be excessive, but it will be very loud and dramatic. Combine spanking with dirty talk to make it even more powerful. Tell her “You’re a bad little girl, and bad little girls have to get punished” as you spank her. If she’s more comfortable with you, kick the dirty talk up a notch. Say something like “you’re a dirty little slut, you’ve been thinking about getting fucked all day. Look at how wet your pussy is…you need to be punished for being such a whore.” Spank her a few times, then take the rest of her clothes off and fuck her hard and deep.

            You can also spank her when you’re already fucking her. The more aroused she is, the more effective spanking is. This is because as she gets more turned on, spanking isn’t a threat to her Immersion, so she can fully enjoy the increased Dominance that it provides. Spank her while you’re having sex with her on top of you, or in any position where her ass is exposed. A favorite of many girls is to be spanked while you are fucking them doggy style.

            [–]virnin -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

            The grain of salt needed here is massive

            [–]thenemaxofredpill -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            Post summary:

            I took a shit and stepped back in it to see if it was still shit. Fin.

            [–]Bartand -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

            With condom? boring. Of course don't pull it out because they will get you into serious troubles.

            [–]zephyrprime -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

            Women lie about rape all the time but get real. This guy has multiple women accusing him of rape now. Where there is smoke there is fire.