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[Mod Warning: Temp Ban Policy] Posting Shit That Belongs in /r/askTRP in the main /r/TheRedPill Subreddit (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by [deleted]

I'm not going to sticky this, because there are already two pertinent posts stickied that need to stay up there. That being said, I suggest the reader base upvote this for the sake of the community seeing it, because, as the sidebar says, ignorance will not be an excuse.

Or don't, no skin off my dick either way. This post isn't for me, this is for you all. Sergio gon' be alright.

Long story short: I woke up this morning, fixed myself a nice breakfast, and sat down to see what kind of shit-shows have gone down in here over the weekend. And as it turns out, we've had no fewer than eight, yes eight chucklefucks posting threads asking for advice. Advice on how to deal with a girl, advice on how to do with a girl at work, etc, etc. (On a side note, I notice this tomfoolery usually happens over the weekends, when the mods are off doing other shit, which makes me think the people doing this know exactly what the rules are and just DGAF.)

And if you have the compunction to ask,

"Well, Mr. Tower-man, what is so wrong with that?"

Then I invite you to voluntarily ban yourself until you familiarize yourself with the rules. That being said, I'm going to say this once and only once:

Posts related to seeking advice for a personal situation that you are dealing with belong in /r/askTRP. Period, dot, end of story, no exceptions. If you lay eyes even lazily on the sidebar, you see a link that is phrased "Personal Questions/Advice"? that links you conveniently to the proper place for your question.

I've been being a benevolent dictator and letting offenders off with a warning for the past 6 months, but that will no longer be my policy on this. No more warnings, because it seems nobody responds to warnings.

Henceforth,

  • first time offenders will receive a ban seven (7) days in length
  • second time offenders will receive a ban thirty (30) days in length
  • third time offenders will have proven themselves retarded enough to be permanently shown the door

So I urge all of you, to ask yourself one simple question before hitting that "SUBMIT" button:

Will this advice-seeking post benefit the entire community, or does it benefit only me and my particular situation?

And if you have any doubt in the matter, I suggest you err on the side of scooting your ass over to the proper forum for advice-seeking, /r/askTRP.

tl/dr - don't be Don the Cowboy from Casino.

"Either you're too stupid or you're in on it, either way, you're out." or in this context,

"Either you're too stupid to look at the sidebar or you do look at the sidebar and DGAF, either way, you're out."

Good day, gentlemen.


[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 93 points94 points  (34 children)

In before "I got an abundant supply of throwaways in reserve and want more people to see my question than are active in AskTRP so I'll continue to ignore you and do what I want anyway because I give more shits about my trivial problems than the health of this community." Yes. That cunt. I think that's what's the source of this.

It's like that cunt who doesn't stop making threads about being an indian/asian in America trying to get blonde white girls. How many accounts has that dude gone through now? And he's persisted for like what, a year? It's fucking pathetic. Nobody even wants to have this discussion with the guy and yet he doesn't stop bringing it up OVER and OVER. Talk about fucking obsession!

[–]2rp_valiant 49 points50 points  (5 children)

in that year that guy could've remodelled himself into the kind of guy who does pull blonde college bimbos. But no, he complained on the internet instead.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Guess he was seeking catharsis more than he was change.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This story sounds eerily similiar to the indian race troll on roosh forums.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 9 points10 points  (4 children)

It's like that cunt who doesn't stop making threads about being an indian/asian in America trying to get blonde white girls. How many accounts has that dude gone through now? And he's persisted for like what, a year? It's fucking pathetic.

On the other hand, all the Indian and Asian origin guys on TRP breathed a sigh of relief that it's just that buy beta-ing like there's no tomorrow, and it's not "them".

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Lol wait, that was all one guy?

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 14 points15 points  (0 children)

yep

Same style of writing, same appearance of alt accounts doing the same shit over and over as soon as the previous one stops posting.

It's really sad, but it's also kind of textbook instructive - - even weak men with a horrible frame can still summon intensity and persistence.

The great shame is that they don't direct it towards keeping their body fit, learning, performing at work, developing pursuits and interests, etc.

Men really need masculine spaces when they're young so older men can let them know what to focus their time and energy on; hanging out with older brothers, fathers, uncles, father's friends.

The hunting trips and barbershops and fieldwork and academic spaces and gentleman's clubs (the actual ones, not stripper dens) all have this kind of function, and they're basically non-existent in the way they're supposed to be, either by female entrance for "inclusion!!11" or by deliberate sabotage where young boys are raised, educated, and disciplined entirely by women for close to 20 years - - and then they don't learn how to be men, and the result is just awful for everyone, and doubly so for them.

[–]RedPharaohRising 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol @ the guy just below you who defended himself rightaway

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Reminds of that Indian race troll on Roosh forums.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

...who wants to bet it's the exact same guy?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I got an abundant supply of throwaways

effectively infinite.

the only way any of the shitty threads will stop showing up is if people just downvote and don't reply. but those "im indian and white people hate me" ones get over 100 comments every time... usually other beta indians/asians in agreement

[–]jdgalt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wonder how many of them are sockpuppets of the same guy?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

not too many i think, a lot of them have the same beta traits and insecurities as that guy so they all just start saying "yeah bro u are right" and start upvoting everything beta

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I've seen this on the rise too. Along with those guys who think they're above formatting their threads. So I've just stopped helping these people. I suggest everyone else does the same.

[–]RealGucciSosa 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Great point. Instead of downvoting and ignore, the worst threads get enthusiastic responses. People shouldn't even post to hate, it only gives it attention.

[–]RedPharaohRising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always go in to report, and I'd prefer to not lose some possibly useful discussion, but if it comes to that, oh well.

[–]fcjnews 6 points6 points [recovered]

Mods, I agree with this post and have reported a number of these personal questions. However, I have two questions/issues.

  1. First, I want to confirm that we are still allowed to ask theoretical questions, is that correct? I have been following this instruction in the Flairs page as guidance:

For instance, this question would fit:

Has anybody noticed that the west coast is receptive to different game than the east coast usa?

This question would need to be moved to asktrp :

I went on a date last night, but don't know how to proceed, please help?

a question I have is what about Theoretical questions that include

However, I have asked and I have seen some what I thought were non-personal theoretical questions that I saw weren't asked before and it seems like a crapshoot whether or not they get deleted and in either case I'll get people telling me to go to asktrp despite the question not being "personal" even though it clearly falls in the TRP category according to the above instructions.

I think a) the mods need to be a bit more unified on the question of non-personal or theoretical questions b) guidance on what flair to use if they are allowed and c) better communication to the sub on what is an allowable non-personal question. I have no idea if the above is even valid anymore based on this post.

  1. Assuming theoretical questions may be posed it is sometimes beneficial/necessary to describe an actual scenario to illustrate (just like I am here), but this seems to greatly increase the chance of deletion. For example, the TRP approved question above:

Has anybody noticed that the west coast is receptive to different game than the east coast usa?

That question would require at least some personal observation in the body of the post to prompt the question (unless you literally just woke up with that question in your head) and it would be a low effort post if left blank. But in doing so that exposes your theoretical question to arbitrary deletion until the mods better define this grey area.

As a personal example a few days ago I asked a theoretical question I haven't seen posed before: How do you be strong, silent, and mysterious yet still be an interesting conversationalist?

According to the instructions above this would appear to be a valid question for TPR. The post had 205 upvotes, and very good discussion with 117 comments. The question itself was theoretical and I don't think had been posed in TRP. I gave some personal examples to illustrate the question better and explain the comment I was reacting to to explain why I was feeling like this was a paradox but that seems to have gotten it deleted. Leaving it empty with zero background, however, would probably get it deleted for being a low effort post. So I'm not sure what to do.

I find it is difficult to ask more nuanced questions without including any personal references whatsoever and a distinction needs to be made amongst the mods between Theoretical Questions w/Examples vs Purely Personal Questions. They are very different things.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

To put it as succinctly as I can, macro discussion is allowed, micro discussion is not. What you are really talking about here is more of a hybrid "field report/advice" situation. If you want to discuss the behavioral trends of a particular type of bar-slut based on your repeated experiences, and ask the best way to deal with them, and then the community can say,

"cigarette smoking barsluts who go out on Wednesday night tend to exhibit XYZ tendencies, and it's best if you really up the kino early on in the convo",

then yes, that is allowed.

But when it gets into "hey guise, I got this LTR and we went to Six Flags last weekend, and she sat there texting her ex-BF all day, and she pretty much ignored me until I bought her a snow cone, then she became more receptive, what do I do if she's pegging me as a Beta Bux?"

That is a personal question. No reply will be beneficial community wide.

That's the crux of my issue here:

Will this thread or it's comments be beneficial to the whole community, or only to OP? That's the benchmark, that's the bellwether. That's what determines where it goes, that's what I'm trying to communicate.

Hope that explains it.

[–]-Animus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd really appreciate the mod's take on this. I've been asking myself this since asktrp was installed.

[–]thenarrrowpath 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This was a long time coming. I've noticed a lot of these recent asktrp type posts have been done on here because the op's believe they'll get more response on the main sub.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Whew. Long overdue. My finger was beginning to hurt from reporting all those.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I've reported often as well.

How is the best way to report for the moderators? I'm never sure if the explanation should follow certain formats, or just to freeball it

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

an explanation is obviously best, but any report's worth something.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Use the "other". Hit the report button and type a brief explanation of the violation you perceive. Chances are we will agree with you if you are level headed.

[–]BlackKnightofthePill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think this is a good plan going forward. Before I had a dedicated TRP username, I made this mistake right when asktrp was started. I don't remember who set me right, but it was enough for me.

u/illimitableman took the proverbial words right out of my mouth though about the Asian guy who complains about blonde girls. We're probably never gonna be able to control that perfectly, but the people who are here for the right reasons will be affected by the temporary bans and will learn to act right.

[–]FearLeadsToAnger 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This may be me mis-understanding how reddit/this sub works, but if Ask TRP is now a seperate sub, why is there a link to search this sub for the flair 'Ask TRP'? If it confuses me it's probably confusing people with equal or greater levels of derp than me.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

[–]FearLeadsToAnger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ahhh I see so this is basically just trying to get of whingey comments, without being so overt and rude about it. Fair enough, apologies, didn't see that one!

[–]Reflexiver 7 points7 points [recovered]

Dropping off completely the second temp ban may produce more efficient results.

Treat them with docile manners and you know what happens.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

smoke, fire, enemy action. its scaled and appropriate.

[–]rymdsylt 1 points1 points [recovered]

Everyone makes mistakes, right? Some dude might think, for any reason, he's in asktrp but instead submits a thread here. Or someone could simply have missed the link. Making mistakes is a part of learning. If that mistake costs you anything, you'll learn even faster.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Some dude might think, for any reason, he's in asktrp but instead submits a thread here.

Dumb-assery is not an excuse either. We are not in the business of trying to shirk off responsibility and consequences for our actions by claiming ignorance or carelessness.

Women do that.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (7 children)

As always - many thanks for running this place.

Some things that might help:

  • When I click "submit new post", there is nothing saying "go to AskTRP if you have a specific question about your circumstances", this could be done?
  • Posting and Commenting Rules (the first link in Rules & Glossary) doesn't mention asking personal questions nor reference AskTRP.
  • EC's and others with red bits left of their name could use reminders to drop round and help out on AskTRP, it could use more input. I help out for a while then I forget, largely because it's more onesided than here I guess.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (4 children)

When I click "submit new post", there is nothing saying "go to AskTRP if you have a specific question about your circumstances", this could be done?

It's already there.

http://i.imgur.com/iPRoYxr.png

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

ahhh there it is. my mistake.

[–]hohndo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, it doesn't show up on mobile apps. At the very least, not the ones I've used.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, could you make it 30% bigger? I think the stop sign blends into the background too well.

There's just too many noticeable things to even claim ignorance at this point, not without being too stupid to understand the advice one would even get

[–]TheMGhandi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That picture is worth a million words.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

When I click "submit new post", there is nothing saying "go to AskTRP if you have a specific question about your circumstances", this could be done?

I don't know, I'm not involved enough in the stylesheet to know how to add this.

Posting and Commenting Rules (the first link in Rules & Glossary) doesn't mention asking personal questions nor reference AskTRP.

That's because, technically, posting advice questions in the main forum isn't a bannable offense by policy. I'm saying that this is a temporary policy that I am enforcing for an undetermined amount of time to reduce this bullshit. Hence the reason for this post as fair warning.

EC's and others with red bits left of their name could use reminders to drop round and help out on AskTRP, it could use more input. I help out for a while then I forget, largely because it's more onesided than here I guess.

Yes, I encourage this as well. But we cannot let advice threads run amok on the main forum. askTRP was formed specifically because TRP, in its early days, was becoming flooded with personal problems and almost no discussion of theory beneficial to the whole community was being had.

[–]RPmatrix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yep, fair enough, after all TRP advocates personal responsibility.

[–]TheRealMewt 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This thread is just one more reason why the biggest piece of advice anyone will ever receive from this community will be "read the sidebar".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's really all we are asking. But every time I make a post reminding people of the rules and the consequences for breaking them, everybody wants to cry about how harsh we are being. If I wanted to be a royal prick, I'd just perma-ban people without warning posts like this one.

[–]kempff 1 point2 points  (4 children)

/u/RedPillWatchTower lighten up. Just lay down a summary seven-day ban on violators and delete their garbage with a brief explanation and leave it at that. Don't get creative with complex, tiered penalty schedules like some 14yo rewriting the rules of the game of tag. Don't work your panties into a bunch. Keep up the good work; I'm glad I'm not a mod.

Period, dot, end of story, no exceptions.

Quit posturing. Act; don't grandstand.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm doing what I'm doing. It's tiered because repeated, short term bans don't send the message. They just wait 7 days, then come back and shit on the floor again. Same thing with the Indian troll who kept coming back and back after ban after ban and posting the same shit over and over that nobody wants to read.

There's nothing "creative or complex" about it. If I wanted to "posture and grandstand", I'd post no warning at all and just go around perm-banning these people for breaking TRP, and violating the second bullet point under the STOP sign that we have before posting a thread.

[–]kempff 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Son,

Have one response for one behavior. Keep it simple. Accept the fact you have idiots who come back after a week and take a shit in this sub. Accept it. That is what they do. Ban them again. Management is an ongoing job.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And tiered perma-bans solve the job permanently. I respect who you are, and I respect your opinions, and you are a long-time member of this community, (who should probably be a Senior member, I'll discuss that with the other mods) but I'm sticking to my guns on this. The mods get tired of cleaning up the same mess over and over again, day after day.

[–]BlackKnightofthePill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is a good plan going forward. Before I had a dedicated TRP username, I made this mistake right when r/asktrp was started. I don't remember who set me right, but it was enough for me.

u/illimitableman took the proverbial words right out of my mouth though about the Asian guy who complains about blonde girls. We're probably never gonna be able to control that perfectly, but the people who are here for the right reasons will be affected by the temporary bans and will learn to act right.

[–]Gnometard 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wasn't there a post about doing the ask trp things here because of lack of activity there, a few months ago?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, that was a discussion about the sunsetting of TRPGame, because it was a mod consensus that Game discussion should be rolled back into the main sub. AskTRP will always be AskTRP.

[–]Alanranks7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Given the wide variety of circumstances that can occur and how many new people this sub gets agree with me or not but I think a warning instead of a ban for the first offense is more appropriate. I know how people should read everything but some simply will forget. Punishing people for a first offense or a minor infraction seems a bit heavy handed. I do agree with you though on the fact we have asktrp for these questions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is why I'm only banning first time offenders for a week. This will give them time to read the rules.

[–]kempff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You may want to consider banning them for a week but not telling them for how long they are banned. In the mean time, laboring under that uncertainty, they may simply lose interest and never come back.

[–]Krainz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Question, sir. No questions at all?

I always thought that general questions (eg. answers to shit tests, work posture, amused mastery, etc) could be posted in the main sub and personal questions went to askTRP.

[–]this_guy2001 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just thought askTRP was a flair you add to your thread. I just realized askTRP was a totally different sub (?). I visit Reddit often but I hardly know the terminology or format of Reddit and just now getting the hang of it.

[–]Dishmayhem -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I am stealing the term "chucklefuck"