Grandfather dropping some RP truths

max_peenor · 2015-12-08T21:55:50+00:00

We take care of each other and out of that comes love and a successful marriage.

Welp, good thing modern feminism put two bullets in that concept's head. We wouldn't want a woman thinking she might have, gasp, an obligation in a relationship, while freely taking the benefits of the man's obligations. That would be nigh slavery!

DO / NEVER / MARRY

fromdario · 2015-12-09T04:11:13+00:00

At the age of 13, I asked my grandfather for an (admittedly stupid) bday gift.

He told me, “you are a man, go get a job and buy it yourself if you really want it.”

So I went and got a job and have been gainfully employed every since and relying on only myself to survive.

At the age of 15, he asked if I had a girlfriend. I started to complain about difficult girls (which was really me being a pussy) at my school.

He told me, “I should focus on my own happiness and go after the girls I want without apology and without compromise now that I was young.”

Took the advice and put myself and my family and friends above every woman. Was confident and direct with women, approached often. Watched as I got what I wanted in relationships again and again.

In my 20’s, my grandmother told me I should settle down and get married. My grandfather told me privately, “don’t get married until you find a woman who makes you a better person and improves your life…. and one you can’t stop wanting to fuck.” he chuckled.

In my 30s and still single, but with great friends/family, great career and several quality plates.

Context: Grandfather immigrated to the US as a teenager with nothing and built a very successful medium size business on no education.

(for transparency, this was paraphrased because this was all years ago but I remember the spirit of the advice.)

Thanks Grandpa.

Toolazy2work · 2015-12-08T21:43:38+00:00

I like it. Most of our grandfather's were probably old school redpill guys. I know my grandad picked up my grandmother while he was at the drive in movies with another girl. haha He tells me "before you get married you need to double everything negative about the girl. If you still can handle that, then marry her."

RPmatrix · 2015-12-08T23:50:38+00:00

If I could go back in time and tell EITHER of my Grandfathers that most American men today are overweight, afraid of their wives, and believed in gender equality then both of them would explode in fits of laughter.

scarletspider3 · 2015-12-08T21:33:46+00:00

You're lucky to have a grandpa that knows the deal and guides you. I think if more guys had guidance like that the world wouldn't be diseased as much by feminism.

MattyAnon · 2015-12-08T22:36:36+00:00

I wouldn't even mind this deal if she would hold up her end of the bargain reliably.

Il128 · 2015-12-08T22:31:05+00:00

Thanks to feminism she can divorce him and he'll still have to provide for her for the rest of his life.

Never get married.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-12-09T03:53:02+00:00

Don't forget that grandma at 75 years old (or so) doesn't exactly have a lot of options.

Divorce Rape is most critical when a young couple marries and the woman still has some SMV left.

By the time a woman reaches 45 her sexual value is essentially zero as she has lost all of her fertility. No one wants old ladies.

The highly critical period when marriage would ideally be optimized with dread (Marriage 1.0) is when the woman is under 27 years old.

The worst case scenario is a 28 year old guy marrying a 24 year old girl and her having a child then divorce raping him just as the guy enters his prime a few years later.

When you get up into the 50's, 60's and 70's if a woman is still "in the game" to be a wife she already has built in dread because she is fully aware how low her SMV has fallen.

Most guys past 50 start to lose interest entirely in old ladies, but will still desire youth and fertility if only for sex. The 50 year old guy flirts with 30 year old women.

Marriage 1.0 protected men in their prime.

Marriage 2.0 is dangerous for young men, but okay if you are very old.

...at any age above 45 for women there cannot be child support (she's infertile) in a divorce, so unless there was a very wealthy lifestyle in the marriage you pretty much part ways and that's it.

Social Security becomes an issue too, so old people might choose to not marry for that reason.

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MattyAnon · 2015-12-08T22:54:50+00:00

We take care of each other and out of that comes love and a successful marriage. (They have been married for 32 years btw)

Yeah, that was two generations ago. Now she gets all the benefits legally enforced against you, and is still free to leave.

Your grandfather is still pretending that she loves him, even while agreeing that she's exploiting him (dripfeeding sex in exchange for provisioning).

While the observations are basically true, it's the beta life. And it's out of date. Marriage today is a fucked up deal for men, don't do it.

Don't think that the exchange of her sex for your provisioning results in a happy marriage, it doesn't. Marriage is her security (at your expense), your sex life is still your problem (and noone lets you cheat once they know you're married). It degenerates into "I know you've not had any for a month, and I'd just love to have sex with you but I'm so tired having to do the dishes all the time... if only there was a solution to that..."

Go across to the other reddit subs to see all this in action... "he thinks just because he married me and pays for everything he's entitled to monthly sex, the greedy shitlord!"

Don't think that TRP truths mean that you get a happy marriage based on exchange of value. It doesn't work like that.

2015-12-09T00:21:15+00:00

She makes sure our sex life is good

I'm sorry, but I hear about relationships failing all the time despite a guy pledging his commitment. Women don't feel obligated to give her provider sex. He has to earn it and her love on a daily basis, because she forgets about it on a daily basis. As soon as she starts feeling bad, whatever that specific bad feeling may be, she looks outward and blames it on the person closest. And as soon as someone else earns her love, she gets a free social pass because Chad was a better dude on day 534, despite the 533 days Roger was a great, nice guy. I don't doubt your grandpa is an awesome guy, but I think he's doing a lot of other things right, more than confirming the "contract" you talk about. Practically every guy does this and we still have a ridiculous feminized culture and rights-stripped manosphere. This idea of justice and balance and accountability in a relationship as a foundation of love is overwhelmingly absent in women.

Cyralea · 2015-12-09T04:50:07+00:00

Not sure if your grandfather was aware, but that's exactly what oxytocin does (along with vasopressin). They're the love chemicals responsible for pair-bonding. After a few years they diminish to almost nothing -- the median age in which the effects of this were documented was around 4 years. Unsurprisingly divorce rates start heavily climbing after this duration.

Your grandfather may not have been a learned man, but you can tell he was a wise one.

tallwheel · 2015-12-09T05:03:12+00:00

Lessons learned: Only spend time with women who still have the chemical dripping. Change women often, and do not, for the love of Jebus, get married. The exchange of goods isn't worth it, and the law only enforces your end of the deal.

its-iceman · 2015-12-08T22:35:57+00:00

Grandpa coming through with some wisdom. You should go camping with that old fuck and take a notebook. Report back.

anooblol · 2015-12-09T00:35:06+00:00

Wait... grandfather ... 22 years ... My grandparents got married and had kids at 19. My parents had me at 26. I'm 20 now, and my parents have been married for 24 years. Something's not adding up.

Date_Rate · 2015-12-08T23:16:17+00:00

But, however, when she becomes secured and settled ... that chemical slowly stops dripping

And this is why dread game is so important in any LTR, especially marriage. A little relationship insecurity will get that chemical dripping again.

cover20 · 2015-12-08T23:14:58+00:00

32 years and he's your grandfather? They had one of your parents right at the beginning of that (if not earlier!) and your parents had you very young, and you must be at least 14 to be posting here like this.

jerkMEthenMERKme · 2015-12-09T00:23:14+00:00

At least your grandfather understands that he's fucked

2015-12-09T04:35:24+00:00

I have a theory.

Men: Fed, Fucked and Appreciated Women: Attention, Validation and Resources

When both sides needs are meet by the other you tend to have a good thing.

cover20 · 2015-12-08T23:09:45+00:00

Married 20 years here. That's about right. Women are more aggressive now and act out more on their narcissism, because I guess that's the culture. But a guy can still get a deal like that.

It's the deal that has created western civilization.

oldredpillhardmode · 2015-12-09T08:42:34+00:00

I guess I will never marry again. I love that "chemical that drips" way too much.

Having been married, I 100% concur with the OP's grandpa. Except for the sex part. My ex did not give a fuck if our sex life was good or not, but she was happy with the stability.

I have another theory, brought with one of my dad's friends, a kind of post-modern Quagmire:

"Marriage and long term relationships should be like leasing: renting a car leaves little strings that attach you, but is also expensive. You can always have the nicest sports car for a few days, but in the end you don't need it. When you buy a car you look for something reliable, maybe not as exciting, with a few years of driving your sober sedan you will look upon the others driving the fun sports cars. A lease its the perfect balance: not as expensive, allows you to enjoy the ride and as soon as you are bored with the car in a few years, you can upgrade to the next one".

He is clear that passion and romantic love last only a few years. This is something scientifically proven. He is also clear that once passion has worn out, its just better to move the fuck on and find someone new again.

I live by his example.

2015-12-08T23:47:53+00:00

Yeah, my grandfather has been married over 50 years I think, albeit that's his second marriage. He probably married a party girl early on but then found one that knew the game too later on.

Gawernator · 2015-12-09T00:41:49+00:00

Nice. I wish I talked to my grandfather more before he passed a couple years ago. They were married for 50+ years.

Capt-n · 2015-12-09T04:15:52+00:00

So trick is to not give a damn about sex.

2015-12-09T16:42:22+00:00

Hi, I'm new here, I want to ask a question without implying anything. OP seems to suggest that women don't care about sex? Is this a belief generally shared in this community?

2015-12-08T23:46:43+00:00

God damn dude, old people always know their shit. They look past the bullshit that they've been fed and expected all of their life and tell it how it really is.

SwagYoloJesus · 2015-12-09T12:30:29+00:00

She knows you want sex and he knows she wants a commitment. And that's marriage my boy, an exchange in goods and services.

He has shit figured out down to the exact terminology we, too, use. Cool guy.

2015-12-09T05:16:09+00:00

What is known as a "type 1 marriage."

EmDeeEx14 · 2015-12-09T09:00:20+00:00

Though I think this has been appearant for a while, it's good to have the idea fortified in mind. The problem today however, is that many women want their cake as well as to eat it. Usually culminated in cucking their husband in exchange for a new shiny cock.

Sad but true

2015-12-09T15:44:08+00:00

It's crazy, I've seen my grandfather go from red pill to blue pill over the years. Growing up he always had a beer in his hand, tobacco in his pipe, glass always full, food on his plate. My grandma loved that man and made sure the house was spotless.

Fast forward 20 years, she tells him no all the time, he caters to all her wants, she calls him stupid. No one is safe

2015-12-09T19:19:25+00:00

Marriage means you found a hooker that you like, and she's willing to settle down with one client. A wife is a just a one-client hooker.

That's how God himself intended it to be.

garlicextract · 2015-12-09T19:19:59+00:00

Because we know how this game works. She makes sure our sex life is good and makes sure I have food in my stomach and she knows that I am a good provider and will care and love her for the rest of her days.

good luck finding that in 2015 (or the foreseeable future)

pedre123 · 2015-12-10T05:37:27+00:00

It's just mind blowing how things have changed for the average American man from even the 1900s compared to the 2000s.

2015-12-09T03:46:38+00:00

I think this is gold, both people have to have some value, can't just leech off each other. But I read some comments and realized marriage these days are highly favored for women, one on the count that the court and the laws established may be gender biased, second knowing that a woman can go sane and insane at a moments notice.

soulure · 2015-12-09T00:15:58+00:00

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