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Blue Pill ExampleLPT gives Blue Pill advice on "What to do when your partner has a crush" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by thefisherman1961

TLDR: Blue piller gives advice on what to do if your partner develops a crush. It focuses on why being too alpha is bad for an LTR but ignores why being too beta is bad.

https://archive.is/Txbhr

Obviously LTR's require men to have the right mix of alpha and beta behaviors to work. Being too alpha is not a recipe for a healthy LTR, while being too beta guarantees that she will not respect you.

One of the biggest problems with this post is that he is only focusing on problems caused by being too alpha in the relationship and not on problems caused by being too beta. For example, spending more quality time together is important if you're being too emotionally unavailable (alpha behavior). What he is failing to talk about is alpha behavior that will greatly reduce the chances of her developing a crush in the first place: being as sexually attractive as you are capable of being. That primarily means lifting and having a rock solid frame. Being sexually attractive with good frame is built-in dread and tingle generator.

Don't be alone with your crush (like never meet up for coffee), because while she can't avoid working with him, she can avoid seeing him other outside of work. Meeting up like that is a chance at taking intimacy to a deeper level. You might want her to cut off ties to him entirely, but often that's next to impossible to implement. Think of this like a "soft" cutting off ties. Think about it, you have your "work friends," and then you have your "friends you hang out with." It puts a barrier there.

If she is hanging out one-on-one with another man who either she is interested in or is interested in her, it is entirely your fault for failing to keep her hypergamy (AWALT) in check. Your SMV wasn't high enough, you didn't lift hard enough...you didn't instill enough dread. It is obvious that this is unacceptable behavior in an LTR, which means you gave up your commitment card to a woman who was not worthy of it. She does not respect you and never will. Your only way out of her blatantly branch swinging, which IS emotional cheating, is to NEXT.

Don't give ultimatums!! This is a very common tactic in these situations, and I think it only does harm to the relationship. It might seem like a good test of their devotion to you, but when you are emotional (which you definitely will be if you are going through this), please consider you might not be setting a reasonable ultimatum.

I strongly agree with "Don't give ultimatums." Giving an ultimatum, especially an unreasonable ultimatum driven by emotion, is beta behavior - a sign of weak frame and a man incapable of making decisions. Women do not respect men who are incapable of making decisions: you either next her or you don't.

More importantly, giving any ultimatum (however reasonable) tells your partner that you value your needs over your relationship.

This is blue pill thinking for sure. You can't have a healthy relationship if your personal needs aren't being met. You can't have a healthy forest if you're burning down all of the individual trees, just like you can't have a healthy relationship if your individual needs aren't being met.

EDIT 3: To those "alphas" calling me beta-as-fuck, that I'm emasculating/compromising myself, that I can't keep my woman in line, etc.... This is advice for a healthy relationship. Healthy relationships are built on open communication of feelings, and respect for your partner. If you feel like you should control your woman in order to keep her from looking at other men, then that is not a healthy relationship, it's a controlling one. And if someone is in a controlling relationship, chances are they are unhappy, and if they are unhappy, chances are they will be looking for another, healthier relationship. In effect, you are creating a situation that encourages cheating. And regarding me being "beta-as-fuck" I don't even consider that an insult. "Alphas," as I understand it, view women as objects to be controlled and used to meet the Alpha's own needs. If you want to insult me, call me an alpha (though that would be undeniably off base in the first place)

His argument against "alphas" is a total straw man. Blue pillers think that Red Pillers advocate controlling women, which couldn't be further from the truth. Red Pill advocates control of yourself. Controlling women is for betas because their frame sucks. Their SMV is low enough so that she doesn't respect them, and they have to resort to initiating violence against them to get their way. Red Pill advocates equal rights and freedom of choice for women, advocates dread game (which is NOT control), and BANS anyone who advocates initiating force against women.

Lessons Learned: Read the sidebar. For an LTR to work, you have to be a mix of the right alpha and beta qualities. Blue pillers don't appreciate the role that lifting, strong frame, and abundance mentality play in dread. Blue pillers erroneously believe that dread = abusive and controlling behavior. Being a Red Pill man in a healthy LTR means being alpha by default and knowing which beta behaviors to switch on, and when.


[–]Batou_Red 98 points99 points  (15 children)

Valuing your needs over the relationship? I saw MI:6 and there's this part where the head of MI6(Hah) tells one of the agents that in statecraft there are no allies, just common interests. Relationships are similar to this. If your needs aren't being met, then your interests aren't congruent anymore.

Edit: Oops, the movie is MI:5, not MI:6, my goof

[–]1Snivellious 14 points15 points  (7 children)

This is a valuable observation. As much as "common knowledge" about relationships tends to suck, there's one really good piece of it:

If you don't care for yourself, why should your partner care for you?

I've also heard it worded more directly as "Relationships don't work unless each person puts themselves first."

If your partners interests don't align with yours, then either someone realigns their interests or you split up. Value your needs over your relationship or else you'll both end up serving a relationship that doesn't make anyone happy.

[–]Vasallo7G 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Relationships don't work unless each person puts themselves first

wow, its very true, maybe because life wont work until you put yourself first, and relationships are part of life

[–]reelsies -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

I've also heard it worded more directly as "Relationships don't work unless each person puts themselves first."

Almost. They don't work unless the man puts himself first, and the woan puts herself second.

The reason I say this is because men are predisposed to put women first automatically. So they need to condition themselves to put themselves first, which balances out their gynocentric predilections.

Women are predisposed to not put men first, so they must condition themselves otherwise in order to care about their man.

[–]2IVIaskerade 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Nope. A woman must put herself first in a successful long term relationship.

Putting herself first does not mean putting herself above the man. It means putting what she needs first. If she needs a captain, then she is putting herself first by finding one, because she'd leave if it turned out he was an unfit captain.

[–]youonlylive2wice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bingo. A successful relationship is where both peoples interests align. If what makes you happy is making her happy then don't be surprised when she fucks another dude cause that also makes her happy and expects you to put up with it cause having you pay for things also makes her happy.

Working together towards a common goal where both parties and the whole together are better than apart is what a successful relationship is. Its not a romantic definition, its just honest.

If one party is better apart or can move on to a place where things are better, then that is what should happen.

[–]reelsies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women need some sort of perceived "superiority" in their mate, and modern society necessitates that this is a lot harder to find now. Therefore, they need to consciously put their man first in order to balance out the realities that they've grown up with.

Let's work with your captain analogy: "If she needs a captain, she puts herself first by finding one". In order for her to realize that she truly desires a "captain", she must first put her man first so that it's possible to actually experience what having a "captain" feels like. If she is not making a conscious effort to put her man first, the "default" perception (that women are superior to men) will invade her brain and make a healthy relationship harder to attain. This is essentially what the entire redpillwomen subreddit is about.

Likewise, for a woman to experience having a "captain", the man must take charge (put himself first) to allow the experience to happen.

If a man behaves like a captain and the woman rejects it, the relationship is doomed. If the woman submits, but the man still feels uncomfortable taking on captainship, the relationship is doomed (theoretically, but not really because briffault's law).

[–]1Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. This is incredibly important, and you put it really well. It's why TRP isn't about abuse or control, or about "helping men win".

TRP is about teaching men to be worth sticking with. It's officer training school, not a boot camp that teaches women to obey unfit officers. Sexual relationships aren't life-or-death, and so it's far better to build effective leaders than to demand subservience to bad leadership.

Saying that women must "put men first" to overcome their habits is like insisting that the ship's helmsman needs to serve the Captain in preference to keeping the boat from sinking. One person is leading, but the relationship won't work unless both people are setting out to fulfill their own role and needs. That's the power of specialization: the whole is at it's best when everyone emphasizes their own part.

This is also what frees women to "lead from behind" in some particularly healthy relationships. If everyone is putting their own needs first, then the woman can understand the importance of a strong captain. Rather than simply waiting on the man, she can help and advise in moments of weakness or bad decisions. You get a better relationship by doing what it takes to make things work (for both people) than by offloading everything onto one person.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"Relationships don't work unless each person puts themselves first."

That's not true at all. That is what leads to the weak, fragile relationships that most people have experienced. If you want a solid relationship, you have to put the other person first. They have to put you first as well.

Now the TRP view would be that you "put them first" by doing what is best for them, not whatever whim they want fulfilled in the moment. What's best for them is usually going to be not putting up with their bullshit, and never backing down when they are being irrational, et cetera, all the stuff you see in here about handling standard playbook female nonsense. It's ultimately best for them even if they don't like it.

Also, as equally obvious is the fact that you still need to watch out for yourself, and you need to be extremely cognizant of whether or not the other person is equally invested in the relationship. If they are not, then sacrificing yourself just becomes a drain and will end up being very damaging to you mentally and psychologically. On the other hand, if you are sacrificing for them, and they are sacrificing for you equally, that is going to be a rock solid relationship.

Just to be clear, by "sacrificing" I don't mean doing whatever they ask, or giving into bullshit or losing your frame or any other number of things. I mean giving your time and energy to support the other person, in a way that is both healthy and maintains mutual attraction. It means you do things for them because you are concerned about their happiness and well-being. Unless you are both mutually in that mindset, it's not a relationship. It's a one-sided dependency.

[–]Worthlessplanet 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Excellent analogy to international relations. "A State exists where its dominion over the people is evident, and reason of State (la raison d’Etat) is the knowledge of the proper means to establish, conserve, and augment its dominion and lordship.”-from Shakespeare's Hamlet.

I'd have more respect for the guy if he had a little more integrity about embracing forced cuckoldry of men by modern women. The chip on his shoulder is real. He's gone full native and is now letting external forces compromise his sovereign household. He's on the precipice of a full on civil-war and doesn't even realize it. Looking forward to his update about these trickle-truthed crushes. He doesn't want to know how deep they go. It's sad.

[–]thefisherman1961[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

trickle-truthed crushes

I agree, the OP of that thread is delusional if he thinks she is being completely open and honest like he is. She's probably had way more crushes than that and has figured out a way to hamster her trickle-truthing to him.

[–]2IVIaskerade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"It was only a crush. And we met up for some kisses."

[–]charlesbukowksi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they borrowed this from The Prince.

[–]McLarenX 79 points80 points  (19 children)

If your partner is having "crushes" on other men then it's time to seriously re-evaluate.

Think of this like a "soft" cutting off ties. Think about it, you have your "work friends," and then you have your "friends you hang out with." It puts a barrier there.

Good god, do blue pill people actually think like this? If you put "soft barriers" in place, and cling onto hope that the out-of-sight out of mind principle comes into play then you are truly fucked. She doesn't have to be with him to flirt and whore herself out in the 21st century.

While your on dates, shes likely texting him. And when she gets out of the shower in the morning, don't be surprised if you aren't the one getting those naked selfies she took.

You simply can't predict a woman's behavior by her words or actions. One has to pick up on subtle emotional clues and body language to really understand what's going on. She's not acting cold and distant because of a hard day at work. The only thing hard on her mind is chad's throbbing cock.

More importantly, giving any ultimatum (however reasonable) tells your partner that you value your needs over your relationship.

This cracked me up. What are these unreasonable "needs" in question? Having a loyal partner who isn't spending alone time with other men? Coming home and expecting her mouth to not reek of foreign cock? Are modern men expected to just "let it go" and tolerate when your woman is being openly flirtatious?

[–]haxurmind 5 points6 points  (16 children)

Are modern men expected to just "let it go" and tolerate when your woman is being openly flirtatious?

I think they misinterpreted the meaning when people told them to 'let it go' (her out the door, not put up with it).

Lot's of advice starts to make sense (be yourself) when you view it through a red pill lens (the best version of yourself possible; lift, etc.).

[–]1PrinceofSpades 8 points9 points  (12 children)

I once read the most pure and simple explanation of all modern advice for men that needs to be repeated whenever possible.

'All the advice you received growing up on how to be with girls from your mother (be yourself) only applies if you are in the top 10-20% already. It's nearly impossible for a mother to believe her son is anything less than that top percent though, and so will constantly just tell him he is rather than do much to actually help him get there.'

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Disagree. "Be yourself" is completely self serving for women. Alphas become much easier to spot; betas become much easier to control.

My mother never once told me "Be yourself". She told me "Be a salesman. Nobody wants to give you anything. You have to give them a reason to want to give you something. Make it feel like they are getting something better in return." (Obviously I am massively paraphrasing her advice).

Then again, my mother is as RP as they come. She implicitly understood the AF/BB dynamic, and she managed to lock down an extremely alpha man by giving him exactly what he needed. She was self-aware enough to understand what she really wanted, and doesn't give into her need for instant gratification. (She also has bizarrely low self-esteem, which is probably part of the equation in some way as well.)

[–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Probably why you were raised in a non-divorce house, grew up a hell of a lot more of a natural than I did, and likely a lot of TRP mentality was less of a shock to you than it was to me upon both of our initial indoctrination.

Grats on the 1-10% mom though; I'd stab someone in cold blood for a chance to have been raised someone like that just to see just how much more phenomenal I would have turned out than I already did.

You can't change the hand you're dealt, only play it to the best of your ability. Often times, I've found, that involves outright stealing other people's cards, since the whole point of the game of life is to have all the cards anyways.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, TRP came as a real shock to me. As TRP as my mother is, and as alpha my dad is, neither one of them really understood why the things they do work. My dad especially never taught me useful information about how to carry myself in the world, let alone with women. I was as fucking beta as they come. My mom's advice didn't seem to work until I realized what women ACTUALLY want, as opposed to what they SAY they want, which they really don't. So I tried to give it to them. I was the quintessential share-your-emotions, be-available, BB provider. It tore me up too, because I knew that I had a lot to offer, but no one seemed to want it.

I had some success in college because I just started emulating dudes that I saw were successful with women. But I mostly felt guilty and I felt like the kinds of women I would attract that way were basically worthless. Why would I want to be with a woman who enjoys being treated as less-than? It wasn't until I started reading TRP a couple years ago that it all clicked and I realized ALL women were that way. I literally doubled my N count in like 2 months. It was a pretty rude awakening.

[–]Barack__Obama__ 0 points1 point  (6 children)

just to see just how much more phenomenal I would have turned out than I already did.

Good god you're so fucking full of yourself aren't you? You honestly sound like you're fully delusional.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (5 children)

If I don't love myself, then who will? You? My family and friends? Some girl? Please. Spare me. The last thing I need is anyone else to rely on. No one was there when I needed them but myself, and now when they try to be as a means of leeching off my success I tell them to fuck off by painfully reminding them of the times I needed them when they weren't there.

I'm full of myself because I've poured countless thousands of hours into myself regarding my social abilities and standing, my career, and my health and fitness. There's nothing delusional about hard work when you can see the results all around yourself.

I'll admit I used to be a fucking worthless nobody who honestly probably would have been better off left behind by the societal tribe to better the big picture. But when you're left behind, and alone, you can either give up and die or fight with every fiber of your being. So I fought and climbed until I became someone fucking awesome. Am I cocky? You fucking bet. Because I went out and, from literally nothing, earned and took my right to be.

What have you done recently? When's the last time you worked overtime for 10+ hours, and then hit the gym for three more, and still found time to go satisfy a girl afterwards before falling asleep only to do it all again the next day? For me, that's just my Tuesday. I work my ass off for greatness, so that I can love myself because no one else truly will. So again I ask, what about you? What have you done that's actually productive for yourself recently? Or are you just going to spend your life being another average statistic who falsely believes your existence matters to others?

[–]Barack__Obama__ 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So again I ask, what about you? What have you done that's actually productive for yourself recently?

Is working overtime for 10+ hours really that productive though? Sounds to me that you're living to work instead of working to live, if you spend 10 hours working and 3 hours working out on a tuesday.

Now about me, I spent my time planning my next 6 months that I'm gonna spend studying abroad. I spent time talking to a girl that I'm into and she's into me. Spent time hanging with my friends, drinking beers, smoking and having a laugh. Spent time with my family playing board games and having the greatest of times. That's what being productive is to me. Building relationships with people that I care about and vice versa. I'm not gonna spend my time negging random girls just because I want to get into their panties.

Or are you just going to spend your life being another average statistic who falsely believes your existence matters to others?

You're literally subscribed to some misogynistic way of life which pervades every single aspect of your life. I think that makes you a statistic more than anyone.

Besides that, no I don't think my existence matters to anyone. I don't think their existence matters to me in the grand scheme of things. Having said that, I don't think anything matters. But that's a discussion on a whole other philosophical level which I don't think is relevant here.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It is when you make as much as I do at 23.

But when I'm retired early and traveling abroad as much as I please, and you're still paying off those students loans you're wracking up from studying abroad unnecessarily when you can't afford to be, get back to me.

Congratulations on talking to a girl who likes you back; I'm currently talking to four who I actually greatly enjoy the company and conversation of. Congratulations on having friends; I meet up with close friends and rugby teammates alike for drinks and laughs in my days off and weekends too. You aren't a basement dwelling twat who made it to a college; good for you buddy! Congratulations on having a family worth going home to; granted, if mine was, I probably wouldn't be nearly as successful as I am now and would have settled in for a mediocre middle class lifestyle that you're likely headed towards. None of what you mentioned is productive to an employer though; I wish you the best of luck getting hired out of school. I'm sure they'll love to hear all about those times you shot the shit with your family and friends, or about how "unique" and "educational" your time abroad was.

Who needs to Neg? That's some creepy seduction level shit for guys who don't have enough confidence to be themselves and watch the women come to them. I say "hi" in public and end up with a phone number. Why? Because I do what it takes to be what women wish they could get. I don't need to act a certain way or say certain things to trick a girl into sleeping with me. They just like doing that because I'm building a life they want to be a part of. Watching them desperately validate themselves in an attempt to stick around is always amusing though, but I currently just don't have the time to invest in any one person for an extended period of time.

I actually find it adorable you think like that, while I'm over here climbing my way up through connections, experience, and soon to be higher education towards a CFO position at an early age which, with my drive, could easily land me a CEO/president position some day if I play my cards right. In addition Im writing a novel and plan to write a great deal more so that my name is remembered long after I die. I'm going to actively leave a noticeable mark on the world and people around me.

Yet you think I'm a misogynist because I fuck multiple women who are all waiting for me to call them? What part of that is me oppressing them and their rights? I'm a full on supporter of feminism because it lets women sleep with whoever they want and live whatever kind of life they want. I'm a fucking advocate of women doing whatever they please because it means I can sleep with them and I don't need to commit anything to do so. They give up sex so easily I no longer even have to buy them a drink first because they pay for themselves. Women wanted sexual liberation and they got it and I'm a supporter of that because it lets them be far more picky with who they sleep with, so men like myself who put in the work get to reap even more rewards than we would have when it was expected to couple off and only have one partner. Some girls I fuck are proud to call themselves sluts. Others are super innocent and love finally have a hot and in shape guy not treat them like something more than an equal for once in their life. If anything, any argument you make against this argument is more misogynistic than my own, because it boils down to you on some level not being okay with women fucking people like me when people like you aren't around. Women cheat waaaaaaaay more than men do between 18-30 in today's world. Why commit to that? I'd rather be the one they cheat with, and just continue to be supportive of them doing whatever they like because it now benefits me.

If I meet a girl worth committing to, then sure, it benefits me so I'll do it. But I'm aware of my own value and it's continuing to go up every time I put in the extra work. I build a life most people wish they had for me, and lots and lots of women want to be a part of it.

The things I do won't matter in the grand scheme of the world turning, but people will remember my name after I die. To me, that separates me from the statistics who die at their 9-5, get divorced, and wonder what was the point on their deathbeds. Oh right, all those 'happy memories' which faded when the dementia kicked in.

Cheers mate~

[–]Barack__Obama__ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It is when you make as much as I do at 23.

sensible chuckle

All I'm getting from this is the fact that your entire life revolves around your job and fucking girls.

paying off those students loans you're wracking up from studying abroad unnecessarily when you can't afford to be, get back to me.

Thanks for your concerns, but I won't be in debt after this study abroad. So yeah, I'll get back to you immediately after I'm back from my time spent abroad making new friends, having fun, discovering new places while you're working your 9-5 job, or should I say 8-6 job considering that working 10 hours a day is 'average'.

None of what you mentioned is productive to an employer though;

So everything you do in life needs to be productive to an employer. Ok. TIL life is work.

land me a CEO/president position some day if I play my cards right

Congratulations bro, this means you made it in life. I really respect you right now. Damn son, CEO, wow.

In addition Im writing a novel and plan to write a great deal more so that my name is remembered long after I die.

Implying someone will read your books. What are you gonna write about? The red pill philosophy? How many girls you've banged? The amount of money you made? How you worked yourself up from an upper middle class white family to the position of CEO? Did your father give you a small loan of a million dollars as well?

I'm going to actively leave a noticeable mark on the world and people around me.

How are you going to do that? By being a fucking CEO of a company?

but people will remember my name after I die.

This just shows me how fucking delusional you are but whatever buddy. Go for it.

Oh right, all those 'happy memories' which faded when the dementia kicked in.

Oh right, all this money which faded when you died. Oh right, all the fame you racked up which won't do shit for you when you're dead. Why would you care about 'the world' remembering you? Do you think Martin Luther King even gives a single shit about being well known? No of course not, he's fucking dead dude.

[–]BradPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Makes sense. Also, it makes her life easy - not having to deal with her son's questions - as she probably can't answer them anyway, from a female perspective (her not being a man).
Also, women leave men in the dark about the game - not exposing themselves, nor divulging the intricacies - "men just have to figure it out themselves" (which naturals do - the rest bumbles around until they find help online - and then might flat-out dismiss it).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually man I gave him that advice

[–]satanicpriest13 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If your partner is having crushes on other men, you're doing something wrong. Spend some more time lifting or making money, not "together".

Of course the other side being if she has crushes, it's time to hard next. Either way, work on yourself.

[–]McLarenX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest, it's not always a man's fault. Some women are exposed to more pre-natal testosterone and will simply be sluts without any provocation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 129 points130 points  (20 children)

This guy is what I call "beyond education."

He realizes he is being beta as fuck about it and he probably realizes that it sucks to be sitting by twiddling thumbs as his wife gets a clit-boner for Mike from marketing. But he goes beyond refusing to change or consider other possibilities. He takes the moral high ground and claims that his path is more moral, and he's happier that way because it's the right thing to do. And other suggestions that would work to uncuck him are "immoral".

See his rant against people calling him beta at the end. That's how you know someone's beyond saving. When you call their strategy a losing strategy and they say "you're goddamn right it's a losing strategy, but it's a more moral strategy so I'm better than you."

Hopefully you guys can see the easy solution here. Don't be this faggot, control your ho or let her control you. Control her hypergamy, or her hypergamy controls the relationship. It's really that simple; one person has to be holding the wheel, and as a man it is your responsibility. You can relinquish this responsibility, but she'll lose all respect for you and start exploring branch-swing options (aka having crushes on her coworkers).

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 67 points68 points  (3 children)

"you're goddamn right it's a losing strategy, but it's a more moral strategy so I'm better than you."

This relates to a reply I wrote a few days back:

The problem is that our current society is making men insane by discouraging the normal feedback mechanisms.

Normally a man would try something, find that it doesn't work, and then try something else.

These days, a man is brought up with the idea that strategy A is correct and all other strategies are evil or creepy.

Man: "But strategy B seems to work better, why don't I try that?"

Society: "Why do you hate women?"

Man: "Oh, I'm not one of those people! I'll stick with strategy A because I'm a good man."

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Shit like this is why men need their spaces to hangout with other men for logical discourse and not play these fucking games of pseudo-victimization empathy hi-jacking. Likewise, it's why neurotic lesbian teenagers with cat obsessions need their tumblr.

I am a strong independent man that don't need to commit to no ho.

[–]2IVIaskerade 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'll stick with strategy A because I'm a good man.

Did I ever tell you... the definition of insanity?

[–]J_AsapGem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

don't worry jerry! the next girl will appreciate you for your kind heartedness! keep trying there is a special one out there for all of us!

[–]Pantek51 26 points27 points  (6 children)

He said himself had a crush on another girl too, I'm 100% sure he fabricated that to try to make his wife jealous

[–]1Snivellious 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Assume for a moment that he was telling the truth. Now, raise your hand if you think his wife used the same approaches he describes here?

No one? Bueller? Bueller?

That's right. She flipped out and told him to stop talking to that worthless whore, and he did it without a word of objection so he could stop sleeping on the couch. And so, once again, flipping the situation shows us how incredibly unegalitarian this advice is.

[–]reelsies 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The thing is, it doesn't even matter if men have lust for other women.

Women don't "win" by having exclusive lust, they win by having exclusive love. If a man fucks several woman, but still has one particular woman he actually cares about when his dick is limp, that woman is his true mate, and he is not cheating on her.

Conversely, men win by having exclusive lust. If a woman hangs around with several men, but is only attracted to and fucks one, she is not cheating.

"Love" inspires resource provisioning, and "lust" inspires exclusive rights to pass on your genetic material.

[–]1Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an interesting observation, though I'm not totally sold on the first part.

I buy the "exclusive lust" pattern: if a girl you're with gets other guys to buy her shit, but doesn't respond with attraction, you're not being threatened.

The "exclusive love" thing, though... I think it's complicated by the possibility of having bastards. Certainly, it's been more acceptable for a man to have mistresses or concubines than for a woman to do the equivalent. That said, it's not something women accept as freely as men might accept a partner's emotional intimacy. In general, it only works when there's a social norm insisting that the "chosen woman" gets priority treatment for her offspring.

Without that (and our society doesn't have that) women have every incentive to oppose sexual infidelity, because it automatically threatens resource provisioning.

[–]siriusisness 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I reckon he made it up just for the post so he wouldn't feel as big of a pussy.

He wouldn't have actually fucked his "crush" like his wife did either

[–]2alisonstone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or he cannot act upon it because the girl is way out of his league.

[–]zincH20 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

yeah ... he might of had a crush, but he def didn't tell his wife about it....

[–]satanicpriest13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think he nailed it. All the thread needs is mention of trp, then massive criticism, and we have 20,000 more subscribers.

[–]obama_loves_nsa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This needs to be the top comment

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy us living in fantasy world,

lots of unicorns and rainbows :'D

[–]J_AsapGem -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

I'm honestly getting sick of these white knight beta fags, specially the ones in your family it's frustrating man, my brother is 13 years older than me and is the biggest cuck i've ever seen, his gf was over yesterday.. total disaster i was practicing my stuff, teasing and saying things my former pussified self wouldn't say, and this guy comes out of no where and starts cussing me and was like " hey have some fking respect and wants to fight me.. " even his girl said he's just messing around, that's not even the half of it.. i banned this guy as my brother.. he's in way too deep, i don't get how men can be so spineless and be comfortable with it.

[–]cashmoney_x 5 points6 points  (2 children)

"total disaster i was practicing my stuff"

Aka hitting on your brother's g/f.

[–]J_AsapGem -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

it's not like that bro, how is being fun and out going hitting on my bro's gf? -_-

[–]angrynewyawka 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Same thing with a few of my close friends. I got back on facebook recently after 3 years of inactivity and discovered that a few people had become manginas and emasculated men. I lost all respect for these guys and man, it hurt because I really loved their friendship but seeing how much of a pussy they have become I just can't do it.

[–]thefisherman1961[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you. Some of the shit that my friends say just makes me want to beat my head against the wall.

[–]Dronelisk 147 points148 points  (22 children)

Crushes? Are these people 12 year old?

[–]speed3_freak 39 points40 points  (1 child)

This guy's definition of a crush is someone that his wife cheats on him with, but he never attained 100% proof. It was just a crush because she didn't actually leave him.

[–]ManOfGrapes 32 points33 points  (0 children)

First thought that crossed my mind.

[–]PM_Me_OK 11 points12 points  (16 children)

What other word would you call it besides "crush." I mean, I agree the word "crush" sounds kinda beta.

[–]1mozeiny 25 points26 points  (14 children)

Tingles. Ill do a write up about it over the next few days.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (10 children)

tbh I think "tingles" is one of the stupidest terms in the red pill, especially when people use it to just mean "sexual attraction".

it seems like such a silly word to use, especially when contemporary culture already has a very widely used term for it, which is "wet." Theres no situation where "gives her tingles" is used that wouldnt be covered with "gets her pussy wet", and imo tingles just sounds retarded and beta.

but it's too ingrained in the community to change at this point.

edit: some of you misunderstood. I didn't mean she ACTUALLY gets wet. I mean the term guys use when talking about girls' "tingles" is "wet". When I say "seeing huge muscles gets her wet" I don't mean her actual pussy gets wet, it's a figure of speech. What I'm saying is that we already HAVE a figure of speech for this phenomenon, we don't need to invent a new one.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 16 points17 points  (4 children)

The honest reason for this, I believe, is because tingles is a childish word. When women act on their tingles sensation, they are acting childishly.

The difference between a girl having a wet pussy and having tingles, contextually speaking, is that a girl gets wet when you're physically escalating/ she's in a situation where she is considering sex. For example, my plate came over and was already wet as fuck before she arrived. Example two, women front row at a concert.

On the other hand, the tingles is when she sees a hot guy walk by who she isn't talking to or interacting with, but suddenly really hopes he would take notice of her and say something, anything to her. Example, the initial eye contact and confident look I gave my soon to be plate from across the bar instantly gave her the tingles; I could tell I was already in for a fun night. Example two, part two: women looking at photos of the band members they are going to go see later that week talking about how hot they are.

Physically/physiologically speaking, the vagina is wet in both of these types of situations, but their contextual difference is drastic enough that I believe having two different terms for them, especially in cases of educating brand new people who don't know the first thing about women, is completely warranted.

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[–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Two beta bux father figures, overweight lazy depressed mother who primarily raised me, and an early childhood divorce doesn't lead to being a natural.

I use the terminology because those that need it the most do better when they treat learning the truth as a science they can study and learn, just like any other school subject. I wish my own path had been so simple, but I got there regardless. Still have a long ways to go, but I'm not quitting because things continue to get better for me every single day.

Still, I agree: the term is fucking obnoxious sounding, like 'moist'

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

im not saying she actually gets wet.

i'm saying when dudes describe things girls find hot, they say "it gets her wet." it is a figure of speech that already exists.

we do not need to invent the phrase "it gives her tingles", because the figure of speech already exists.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the thing is, it actually does get wet. I know plenty of horny young girls who carry around a spare pair of panties because they have a habit of being just that horny during the day.

Granted, I'm agreeing with you, I just know the minor distinction can help new guys out in certain cases and was taking a stab in the dark as to why that phrase may have come up.

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

contemporary culture already has a very widely used term for it, which is "wet."

Tingles is different to "wet"

Tingles is used to mean sexual excitement, not necessarily her being horny for you. Knowing that I could leave her for another woman doesn't necessarily make her horny, but it can cause tingles.

[–]magikarprage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are drowning in a puddle man

[–]verify_account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a fun childish word, which works great for describing women. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGiNx5pvgPg

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting "wet" is not the same thing. It is functionally equivalent to a man getting an erection and being aroused. When you are younger, the two things rarely happen separately. But when you get older, erections tend to only happen when it's actually game time (at least for me.) I basically never get an erection when I see some super hot woman walking the other way on the street, even though I am very aroused.

Women have the same equivalent.

[–]SwallowRP 7 points7 points [recovered]

As if the blue pill world would accept "tingles".

This is the whole point of why we're here in TRP. A lot of men have forgotten or don't even think about the "physical" part of attraction and what instincts drive it.

"Tingles" is simply too real. Better keep calling it "crushes".

[–]2IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, sudden blood flow to an area actually causes a tingling sensation. Every guy knows that specific feeling associated with getting an erection. Women have an equivalent, too. That's what the tingles are, because apparently it can tingle.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women would. Did you see the AskReddit post asking women to describe what if felt like for them to be sexually aroused? "Tingling" would be a good way to sum up 75+% of their comments.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What other word would you call it besides "crush.

Attraction. That's what it is.

The word "crush" is an attempt to minimise the seriousness of the situation. This isn't necessarily bad, as such tactics can help the person avoid acting upon the feelings, but it can also encourage them not to attempt to address the situation either.

"crush" sounds beta to you because it's often used as a deflecting tactic (cf. "It didn't mean anything to me!") by people in the wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They say crush because they're in denial that what they really mean is "better option."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a weird term but not much else you can use. Attracted to is different than a crush, which implies some sort of emotional connection. Infatuation might be better

[–]GraphicSeniorNudity 203 points204 points  (11 children)

Yo listen up here's a story about a little guy who lives in the blue world, and all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue like him, inside and outside.

[–]MetalliMunk 33 points34 points  (0 children)

You have now unofficially chosen the theme song for all Blue Pillers.

[–]Uptonogood 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Great. Now I'll have that fucking song stuck in my head for days...

[–]reigorius 18 points19 points  (1 child)

If it wasn't for your comment.

[–]denart4 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Blue his house, with a blue little windows and a blue corvette, and everything is blue for him and his self and everybody around cause he got, no body to listen...

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I remember when I first heard that song I thought the chorus was, "I am blue and I would beat off a guy, and I beat off a guy, and I would beat off a guy."

[–]AtlasCuckd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny, when I first heard the song way back I thought there was "I'm blue and I'm in need of a guy" and "I'm blue if I was green I would die"

[–]Nogoodsense 21 points22 points  (1 child)

My favorite gem about this post is hidden a ways down in the comments. (cannot link unfortunately)

Someone goes through his post history and finds that "he hasn't told his wife that he's actually a female in a males body" and "my wife is a little worried I'm gay" but "I'm 98% into women" so it's all ok.

Dear god.

[–]Chrience 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Healthy relationships are built on open communication of feelings, and respect for your partner.

Before I discovered the manosphere, following this kind of advice was really tempting. Advice like this will suggest that a woman will love you for who you are, just as much as you love her, that if you just listen to her, you'll both get along amazingly in the perfect relationship and that the number of guys she slept with in the past doesn't matter at all, regardless of how wierd I might feel about it...

The whole purpose of the red pill comes from the fact that literally EVERYWHERE ELSE in this society, this kind of false advice is parroted to you. Following it is a losing game for men, because while you may believe it, about 95% of women fully know its bullshit. While you're giving her everything, counting on her to reciprocate, she'll mercilessly take everything you give and give nothing back but complaints, nagging, shit testing and maybe bi monthly starfish sex, every time, because that little cupcake knew ALL ALONG that relationships were a game of power , and she played dirty using these lies to make sure you lose.

[–]Business_Jesus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

that second paragraph brought a tear to my eye

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good post. It's infuriating how many people get baited into believing this.

[–]2alisonstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's something that is basically a meaningless statement that can be interpreted any way you want. From a red pill point of view, having respect for someone is assuming that they are capable of forming their own opinions and making their own decisions. It is blue pill thinking that is actually disrespectful because it assumes that women are infantile and incapable of making their own decisions (i.e. cheating was a "mistake" or she was "tricked by other men", etc). If you assume she is an adult that is capable of making her own intelligent decisions, then you will see that her actions simply prove that she has poor character and you will dump her for it.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (1 child)

tells your partner that you value your needs over your relationship.

Unlike the BP author, my needs are the reason for any relationship I'm in.

Typical BP thinking, that male - female relationships should be democracies. Nope. More like benevolent dictatorships. And you know what usually happens when someone has a crush on another leader and tries to overthrow the dictator.

[–]Man-with-a-pitchfork 12 points13 points  (0 children)

EDIT 3: To those "alphas" calling me beta-as-fuck, that I'm emasculating myself, that I can't keep my woman in line, etc.,

If that was any of you guys - cut that shit out!

Nobody wants you to spread TRP anywhere else on reddit, or in real life (except by example). They don't want it, and we don't want it. If you want to talk about TRP, do it right here!

Telling other people how beta they are doesn't make you the man, anyway.

[–]1Maverick1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Crushes are accidental feelings someone has for another person (i.e. not their partner)

I thought this statement was an interesting way of looking at it. However, I highly disagree with it. Crushes occur for someone when they knowingly or unknowingly are not satisfied in one area or another in a relationship.

[–]666Evo 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's been gilded 12 times so far.

It must really be reinforcing the narrative.

[–]2IVIaskerade 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Minor point of order.

It's "gilded".

Gilded means "covered in gold". Guilded would mean "introduced into a guild", which is a group of professionals in a certain job who have allied to protect their interests.

[–]666Evo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Change made.
You learn something new every day.
Thanks mate.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wife has had two "crushes" in two years of marriage. Yeah... I'm sure the marriage is going to go swimmingly. She definitely won't cheat on you with some dude from the office while you're admiring your sci-fi collection.

On another note, this has some RP truth wrapped up in an otherwise very beta post.

The crush represents what you are dissatisfied in with your partner

He doesn't have to be better than you, he only has to be different. If you've been dreading like a motherfucker and withholding comfort too much, the dude who leaves her nice little beta "notes" on her desk every day will end up being the one fucking her.

[–]occupythekitchen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

His tl;Dr is a joke. Honestly I see women controlling men more often than the other way around. He is married and this strategy works for him because if he gets tired of her he loses half of his crap. He has had one crush and his wife 2. Well I bet she is lying to him so he doesn't feel unwanted.

He should see by that how AWALT women are. It just sucks he has an assumption and would like to keep it instead of educating himself.

[–]M3_Drifter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is advice for a healthy relationship.

If your partner has a "crush", then you don't have a healthy fucking relationship...

[–]slay_it_forward 16 points17 points  (12 children)

Too much emphasis on the impact lifting has on a relationship. An extra 5 lbs of muscle and 5% less body fat doesn't mean shit in a relationship. The key is your behavior, which is tough to maintain all the time in an LTR. You can start slipping in small doses then it snowballs and next thing you know your girl is off on a ladies night in a mini skirt.

[–]haxurmind 16 points17 points  (3 children)

An extra 5 lbs of muscle and 5% less body fat doesn't mean shit in a relationship.

Those sorts of figures would have greater effect on the average body than it would on a long time bodybuilder.

Too much emphasis on the impact lifting has on a relationship.

Lifting generates discipline (diet, routine) which causes an improvement in your behavior (a goal driven mentality) just as it does in sculpting a good body.

The key is your behavior, which is tough to maintain all the time in an LTR.

Sticking to that regime maintains your mental state (frame) which allows you to continue to lead the relationship effectively.

A weak frame gets easily distracted and goes even weaker as it gives into the next strongest frame around (hers), hence those past TRP posts that say they stopped going to the gym (skipped gym days etc.) as reasons why they slipped up and eventually are out of a relationship (they did not lose their variously muscular bodies overnight).

In addition, lifting being an activity you can do without a SO gives you some quality ME time which allows you to unload stress in a constructive manner (no amount of yelling will move the iron).

A good body as a result of those activities (maintained in addition to the routine and mindset for those that achieve their goals) keeps her coming back for more, and where it doesn't alone multiplies the speed of her hamster when dread (a reminder that you too have options) is employed.

Off topic: Personally if too much dread is needed I'd consider the relationship over before she buys a new mini-skirt, though I'm not looking at being in a LTR so have a differing mindset to those within them.

In short, I think you underestimate the mental impact of rigorous physical activity on the male body.

[–]logicalthinker1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

plus it raises your testosterone. I love how i feel after a good lift. I have no fucks to give, my mind is clear as crystal, im stress free, I feel like I'm oozing manliness, etc. These are all alpha traits.

[–]slay_it_forward 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Keep in shape and take care of your body. The fact that this needs constant reminding on this sub is pathetic. I'm not from the USA and think that's why I don't get it. This for me is a given, hence my comment that behavior is number one. I've been almost bodybuilder ripped in a relationship but I was BP and overly beta. It ruined the relationship and no amount of iron going up and down was going to change that.

As a side note, martial arts are way better for your confidence than simply lifting weights. It's much more of a challenge to your psyche. You get a different type of ripped body (think surfer) and to me much more attractive than the swole juice pig look. This also happens to be women's preference.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women's preference varies depending on individual taste and context. I agree with your post, but those " ripped body " dudes in the club look like skeletons when standing next to clothed juice heads. And from personal experience, the juice head look pulls more bar sluts than the skinny fit look does.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An extra 5 lbs of muscle and 5% less body fat doesn't mean shit in a relationship.

Of course it does. Because once you're 5lbs/5% less, the next 5lbs/5% doesn't mean shit in a relationship. Nor does the next, or the next, and now you're 35% body fat and weak.

Your behaviour can't slip, but neither can your physicality.

[–]BaconEggsAndSleaze 1 points1 points [recovered]

Going from 15% to 10% body fat is pretty huge, though.

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (5 children)

In what sense? For your health? No. For your attractiveness to women? No. There is a youtube video where a guy goes around with pictures of different men asking women which they prefer and the guy who had the most votes was 13%. if you're between 10-15% you'll have an attractive body but a lot of girls find 10% and under to ripped. It starts to look unnatural.

It's an accomplishment in the sense that it's hard to do and would take a lot of discipline but I'm about effectiveness. I'm healthy and attractive at 15% and it doesn't require huge amounts of time and effort to maintain.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Abs are everything to a girl.

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Ya man, pull out your 10% abs at the bar and watch the ladies hop on your cock. Don't even need to say a word.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

pull out your 10% abs at the bar

Autistic move, why would I do that?

[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your comment was autistic. Abs are not everything to a girl.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you that it isn't everything when it comes to in person approaching, but tinder and online game if you have abs you have it easy.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 13 points14 points  (6 children)

OP: Thanks for summarising as well as pasting the link, I think your post has value. Please add a summary introduction and lessons learned at the end. (This is all in the submission guidelines)

[–]cuentaparabasura 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I dislike this, I think it's weird that all posts have lessons learned at the end. It's horrible. It makes it seem as if the author felt he wasn't able to communicate the intended message through the story so he is forced to explain it in plain English. I could be wrong though, maybe there is good reason for that rule, I don't know.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Firstly... it's not a discussion point, it's a rule.

And yes - there are damned good reasons. There are a lot of low quality posts, and absence of summary/conclusion is an easy way to spot someone who doesn't even read the submission guidelines.

Secondly... a lot of newbies here are poor communicators, and they expect everyone else to read 18 paragraphs of waffle to work out the point of the post. Not all posts are applicable to all people - a summary saves people time. Conclusions helps too. "Lessons Learned" I don't think is essential, it's an example of how to summarise.

so he is forced to explain it in plain English

Well, this is a good thing.

it's weird that all posts have lessons learned at the end.

The rules don't apply to endorsed contributors... but you'll generally find EC posts have a very clear message rather than pages of waffle. They/we are more free to convey a message in a slightly different way, but often they/we keep to the same formula.

[–]UmphreysMcGee -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Does the upvote system not exist to move good content to the top and shit content to the bottom? Your reasoning seems redundant when a perfectly good system is already built in that accomplishes the same thing.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does the upvote system not exist to move good content to the top and shit content to the bottom?

No, it doesn't, because there's no way to accurately determine if any number of the 140,000 subscribers here (jesus, that many already?) actually deserve an upvote. Reddit is a free market, and the whole point about the newbies is that they should shut up and learn, but they've spent their whole lives being told exactly the opposite, and aren't about to break such a habit immediately.

What this means is that there's at least 40,000 subscribers who are too new to identify good content, and would blindly upvote platitudes instead of the harsh truth they need.

TL;DR: The upvote/downvote system exists to move popular content to the top, not good content. TRP is good, but not popular.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

maybe there is good reason for that rule

It's there to ensure that the author actually knows what he's talking about and can express it cogently.

You let me waffle without pinning me to anything, and I could probably give you a dozen profound paragraphs with zero substance or value.

It's also there so that newer members who may not have picked up on something, will see it in a bullet point, go "wait, where did he say that?", go back and re-read it until they identify it. Now they're better equipped to read future posts and pick up on less obvious communication clues.

They're completely obsolete for pretty much anyone who can read into situations properly, but The Red Pill subreddit doesn't exist solely for people who've swallowed it.

[–]1Snivellious 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The bit about ultimatums is interesting. A lot of his advice sucks, but I agree that ultimatums are bad. Still, I don't think that it's necessary to choose between shutting your moth and walking away without warning.

What's the middle path, then? Conditions. It's the version of an ultimatum that doesn't involve being a little bitch. You're simply saying "This is out of bounds, and I won't stand for it." There's no need to detail consequences, because you're just letting her know that something is unacceptable to you. That should be enough.

If she disagrees, state your reasons or don't, but stand firm (you should already know that you meant it). If she comes back with "Or else what?", that's a shit test. Respond however you see fit.

I think my big insight from this is why ultimatums instinctively feel "beta". It's because ultimatums are a confession that your desires and will don't matter. You're resorting to external threats ("I'll leave you", "I won't book us that vacation") because you know that you've lost all power to simply say no. If you still mattered, you'd be able to say "no" and have it count without making threats.

[–]markb4587 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I knew when I saw that thread, it would get perfectly picked apart here.

[–]wastagaswe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"As long as you both want to work through them".

Bewildered. Just imagine that, you tell a girl that you have a crush on a different girl and she "works with you"...This is just insanity, how can one be so detached from reality to believe such things. This shouldn't have come as a surprise but it did...

I lived a lot of years as a beta.. on my worst day I would not have believed this.

[–]DrunkenOni 6 points6 points [recovered]

Red Pill advocates control of yourself. Controlling women is for betas because their frame sucks. Their SMV is low enough so that she doesn't respect them, and they have to resort to initiating violence against them to get their way.

This, I think, is an underrated point and a big reason TRP gets such hate in the general populace. They think TRP is about manipulating and controlling women into sex but it's really not. They thinks the DENNIS method from It's Always Sunny is RP theory.

[–]2Deapluv 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Whoa whoa whoa there, let's not knock the DENNIS method

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because of the implication.

[–]billythebeta 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Haha i was planning to make a post on this as well. So much hamstering, sackless mangina posts, etc. on there that it makes my head spin.

[–]2IVIaskerade 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The subreddit is called Life Pro Tips. The sort of person who goes to that kind of subreddit for life advice is clearly an idiot.

[–]billythebeta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wasn't it originally predominant with some decent advice on shit like putting teabags in your shoes to stop a bad smell? It slowly devolved into the shitshow we see today, though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I was hoping that thread would show up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If my bitch wants to fuck another nigga she should go ahead and do it. I am not her keeper. She'd be doing me a favor.

[–]spassa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

why wasting your time with this prick? i looked at his message history: 30 year old MtF trans, was raped by his girlfriend when he was drunk. na, not blackout drunk, he consented to having sex with his then gf and felt manipulated afterwards.

this guys is a joke, i don't now why he feels he has the wisdom to tell anyone how to live his live

[–]EGOtyst 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I commented heavily in that thread. Some people really just don't understand and are beyond saving.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I commented heavily in that thread.

The need to proselytise and convert others - I get it. It's confirmation that what you believe is correct when it works. However, it's counterproductive to the mission of The Red Pill, because it feeds the belief that you should care about others.

Let them have their comfortable delusions. The Matrix, for all its horrors, is something that most people find comfort in. Who are we to deny them that?

Just focus on unlocking all the potential of an unplugged individual, and eventually, you'll realise that everyone else being asleep is why you can be so successful.

[–]EGOtyst 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the time I keep quiet. That one was just too damned stupid, and I was bored.

[–]jeffwingersballs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looking at OP's top comments(the LPT OP), guy thinks he was a raped because he was emotionally manipulated when he contested.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

your fault for failing to keep her hypergamy (AWALT) in check

Everything is your fault. Take any situation back far enough, and there's always a place where you had a decision, and could take action to rectify.

Ultimatums are weak because they are a negotiation based on 0 power, and it's a hail mary that always gets called.

And all this talk about changing someones behaviour, it's bullshit. Theres a post in askMRP right now of a guy who did this. had a barrier, she broke it and lied about it. She was out the door. He couldn't control what she does, but has control over himself. A quality woman wouldn't think about contacting a crush/ex.

your life isn't someone elses problem, it's yours, thats the one good thing in there, they just didn't know it.

[–]hke12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy is weird, looked into his history and he's debating feminists that man can be raped to (they don't take it kindly),
He says he is a 30y MtF trans
That is also lesbian

He also says interesting things when he debates feminists, I don't care enough to look trough that

[–]wimmyjales 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Fine post, but I just want to note on one point. It could be argued that dread game is a form of manipulation and therefore a form of control. I use it, but that's because I reject the notion that all forms of manipulation are bad. In my opinion deception, guilt tripping, and gaslighting are all nasty tools of manipulation to use in a relationship, and should be avoided. For me, dread game doesn't fall in that category of control methods. Sure, playing on a woman's fear of abandonment to get her to act better toward you isn't exactly nice, but I think the fact that you're not outright lying to her makes it okay. If anything you're subtly implying the reality that she will get dumped for one of the many other fish in the sea if she keeps being shitty.

[–]AnAbsoluteSith 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I beg to differ. The woman at all points throughout has free choice to do as she pleases. Dread game is simply a gentle reminder to not get too comfortable.

[–]hoard 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A comfortable woman is a bored woman.

[–]wimmyjales -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Of course she has the choice, but having influence over the choices a person will make via consequences is, to me, the definition of having a measure of control over someone. If I have a few drinks and want to drive home, the reason I won't is because of the potential legal consequences. So you could say the government has me and others like me under their control in that regard. Controlling a person is not always a bad thing, is what I was saying.

[–]Ubermensch33 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good post. There are definitely different forms of manipulation, some I would consider more sociopathic and harmful than others, but let's be honest: almost everything is manipulation, especially in male/female relationships. The "open communication and trust" bullshit is just another way to be the person you think she wants you to be and ultimately...get what you want.

I've never had to give a big ultimatum in my LTR, but there have been plenty of comfort tests, i.e. "you're not gonna leave me for a (younger/hotter/whatever)" comments. IMO Blue Pill guy says "of course not honey, you're hotter than all those other girls." Red Pill guy, i.e. effective guy, says "only if you force me into making that decision." I guarantee every time she even thinks about having coffee with Mike from Marketing, that comment will enter her head. It's not mean. It's not unreasonable. It's the damn truth, and it goes both ways.

[–]Furrealyo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I bailed on his story about 3 sentences in.

Feelings are the woman's game. A man can play for a while, but he will eventually, and always, lose.

Work on yourself. Be better and the women will come. The instant you start doing it for the girls, is the instant they lose those "feelings" they once had for you.

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Feelings are the woman's game.

Feelings are like boobs. They belong to women, and I love playing with them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saw this earlier. Mega cringe.

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[–]antariusz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Red Pill has 100% definitely improved my life and the quality of my relationships.

What "red pill knowledge" do you think doesn't apply to a marriage or other LTR?

[–]LeadPipeJedi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I found TRP a year ago. I've been married for 12 years and things were going downhill. Learning and still learning, everything I have applied has helped correct every problem I had with my wife.

I'm focused, I'm lifting, getting into the best shape I've ever been in, holding frame, passing her shit tests and because I'm getting the attention from other women and flirting back, my wife has changed her terrible ways that I was unhappy with. And I show her I'm happy by giving her the best sex possible, keeping her on her toes that makes her appreciate the love I give her, rewarding her good behavior while making her the best possible her she can be.

To say TRP is strictly about getting laid is not giving it enough credit. It is helping men who didn't have direction become the best of the best in a world that thinks it doesn't need the alpha male but we all know it does.

[–]yonkerssss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read this and i knew it was going to be in this sub.

[–]1bradyo2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saw this post the other day and just had to laugh. Knew it would be on here soon enough. Some people are beyond help.

[–]a_chill_bro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm glad someone here analyzed this irresponsible "LPT." This is definitely not a pro tip. It's the rantings of a confused beta who needs theredpill ASAP.

It makes no mention about fucking her brains into orgasm on a regular basis so she doesn't have to look elsewhere, dread game, i.e., the basics.

[–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the rantings of a confused beta who needs theredpill ASAP.

It's the rantings of a beta alright, but he doesn't need TRP.

You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Were you listening to me, a_chill_bro? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?

[–]Bigcasanova 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read this post yesterday, and it really stuck in my craw. As I read it and became progressively more annoyed, I had to remind myself that having people like this around is a good thing-- who needs the competition, more for us. I had a feeling someone from over here would tear it apart, glad to say I was not disappointed.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Anyone who thinks that a subreddit called "Life Pro Tips" can save their long-term relationship from hypergamy is far beyond any help.

[–]Gee-Wilikers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As opposed to any other tips? Under a different name perhaps?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw that thread 2 days ago,

What a saka !!

BTW I advised him start lifting And I got 350 upvotes and many guys supported me.

And I an waiting for OPs reply lol

[–]Dylan_Tnga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL : step 1. "Hey sweetie, don't get mad or anything but I have a crush on my female co worker and I thought we could work through this together

At that point step 2 is the hamster going apeshit, possibly breaking your stuff or getting violent, calling the cops, god knows. TERRIBLE Advice.

If you're crushing on other women, you're with the wrong woman. If she's crushing on other men, she's most likely has already cheated on you.

People in relationships are such pussies when it comes to this shit, always concerned with preserving something that clearly isn't supposed to work to begin with.

I seriously want to nominate the OP of that thread for "CUCK OF THE YEAR" award.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I absolutely love how the OP opens his post by shaming any guy for even considering dumping a girl for liking another man.

That's right fellas, how dare you have self worth! If a girl likes another guy, you should just be happy that she likes you at all.

[–]SpinPlates 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stopped reading at "accidentally feelings"

Biology is no accident.

[–]BinaryCode1010fmfm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EDIT 3: To those "alphas" calling me beta-as-fuck, that I'm emasculating myself, that I can't keep my woman in line, etc., please check your calendar and make careful note of the century. That is all.> 

A few problems with this line of thinking. First of all, is he claiming that over timc, women have somehow evolved past their primal instincts yet alpha males, the epitome of men in our society, have been unable to adapt at the same rate? Also, just becuase my calendar says 2015 it does not mean that I would give up a practice that works for one that does not.

[–]PissedPajamas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree with betas resorting to violence just because their frame sucks. I thought like this too, but when you hit a woman and she stays with you, she already entered your frame, making you the alpha in the relationship.

Alpha/beta is more than black and white, there's still a lot we don't know about the psychology of power in relationships but I can count the times a dime piece has spent her best years with a deadbeat. Just know that this frame strategy is a hit or miss, pun unintended.

[–]priestofdisorder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only correct action is to tell her to leave the relationship if she isn't happy and making them feel guilty/being honest, if that doesn't work it's their loss.

[–]R3v4mp3d -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I strongly disagree with "don't give ultimatums". If you directly next or keep a girl, then she's just a plate with gf status; if you give an ultimatum I consider that to be the most honest way of saying "I love you" that you could ever put out.

Why? Because an ultimatum means: "hey, I REALLY REALLY like you and want things to work out but this shit has to go. I don't wanna lose you but I don't wanna continue this way; please change this shit so that we're both happy. If you can't, I'll sadly have to bail.". I've given a few (5 or less) ultimatums in my life and the problem with them is: people don't internally take them seriously; people NEVER EVER given them though; because of the previous points, people never comply.

Why don't people take them seriously, think it over and then come to terms with it or bring a good counter argument? Because people are VERY instinctual animals and an ultimatum is not something urgent. An ultimatum is something that you have time to think of (which you will "delay for later" and never really think of it); me walking out the door with all my stuff in the bag is an emotional bomb that has urgency.

You want to see who's TRULY smart or TRULY wants you around (friends and girlfriend)? Give ultimatums (if needed). If they respect you, they will think it over and you'll have an interesting chat in a few days (rarely happens) OR they'll completely forget about it and when you bring it back up they'll be something like: "AAA! That? Oh yeah; sorry man, it just doesn't sound right.".

Walking out the door will change their behavior for the moment (or for the next few days/ weeks) but since with this emotional bomb you trigger an immediate reaction and not a logical well thought conclusion, the effects will wear off once the emotional effect fully wears off.

TL; DR: ultimatums are the best way to weed out intelligent people and people that actually care for you.

[–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (3 children)

ultimatums are the best way to weed out intelligent people

At least we agree on something.

[–]R3v4mp3d 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I see my answer doesn't sit well with people here. Maybe I should point out that I'm not exaggerated; I don't throw ultimatums left and right. I try telling it subtly; I try telling it more directly but nicely; I become angry of when the problem arises; eventually I say it bluntly; in the end I drop the ultimatum.

Edit: corrections. Edit 2: more corrections.

[–]2IVIaskerade -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Ultimatums are threats not backed by power.

[–]R3v4mp3d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, they are threats but I'm not sure if it's relevant if they're backed by power or not.

TRP advocates that you drop people who are pulling you down. What I'm saying even in my comment above this one is that I'm actually a really nice person who tries to avoid dropping people as much as possible but if those people are just failing constantly then I have to withdraw.

I don't see any power play/ power exchange/ power demonstration anywhere. It's like I'm going to a shop and once I discover that I can go to another shop and buy better stuff with the same price, I negotiate with the first shop to see if they wanna keep me, if not I bail. Simple, honest, concise, fair.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Obviously LTR's require men to have the right mix of alpha and beta behaviors to work. Being too alpha is not a recipe for a healthy LTR, while being too beta guarantees that she will not respect you.

Wrong. You don't understand the meaning of those words. Go read the sidebar some more.