Red Pill Theory"10s" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior ContributorOmLaLa

A Quick Word- Hey. It’s been awhile. FYI I’m still on RP lurking. I’m not dead. I’ve been busy. Mad busy. But as busy as I’ve become, I still have gallons of RP I want to dump on your heads. So. As compensation I’ll be making smaller “snippet” posts until things settle down for me.


So you’ve noticed you’re consistently grabbing the attention of the hottest girl at the bar. But how exactly do you go about plating her?

Don't you worry. OmLaLa’s back to give you a hand. So let’s get started.

Remove the rose-tinted glasses.

Ever hear of the halo effect? It boils down to this: if you’re hot, people believe you can do no wrong. The keyword here though is believe.

I guarantee to you that any other-worldly attractive chick you meet has some serious baggage. And how do I know this? Because of the halo effect. If everyone around her constantly sees her as blameless, she’s almost certain to go down some dark paths with little to no resistance.

How can you benefit from this? Be assertive with her, zero tolerance and firm. Be her daddy.


Not literally her daddy.

She’s used to even high-tier alphas bending to her just for a chance to fuck. Show interest, give kino, but DO NOT BEND. If she says or does something you find unacceptable (which she will because she’s stepped on men for X years), tell her flat out. If she asks what you like or what you want, be direct. And if she keeps persisting with the shit tests…

Walk away while you’re in control.

Oh my god. Do this a lot. Especially with hot chicks. They can’t stand the thought of being (nonchalantly) dumped. Indifference is your greatest weapon.

I’m serious. Try it. Get a girl at least semi-invested in you in some way, wait for her to try and start an argument or debate over something stupid, don’t engage, say something neutral like “Ok” (as if you didn’t hear a word she just said) and walk off. You don’t actually have to leave the place. Go piss or something.

It’s one thing to say you have no problem leaving her, but to actually show her how quickly you can drop all interest and walk off on her (something she’s probably never experienced) makes you all the more valuable and interesting. A man who can’t be caged or caught always sparks intrigue, especially if she's used to easily catching men. Use that.

Remember: People want what they can’t have and people always want to tame the untamable.


[–]user_7at 230 points231 points  (47 children)

It's insane how fast women who have gotten nothing but attention will bend to someone who ignores or disregards them. They're not used to the chase and that sets you apart.

[–]1jb_trp 178 points179 points  (24 children)

When I was BP many years ago, I was good friends with this one girl. We worked together, would bake cookies together, watching movies, just as friends. I never really had any interest in her.

Well, she had this friend who was a total stunner. A 10. I'm not exaggerating. Well, this girl was so hot I didn't even try because I figured she was out of my league. One day I was charming as hell in front of all her friends and she wrote down her phone number, which I threw in the back of my car and did nothing with. Well, she then got my number off of her friend's cell phone and text me without permission. I guess the fact I gave her no attention drove her crazy?

As soon as I began to realized she might be interested I went full beta. She was sick once and I hand made her a get well card. She said to her friend, "I think jb_trp likes me" and lost all interest.

You always have to be the prize, even if it makes no sense, and always be willing to walk away.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 67 points68 points  (10 children)

Ah, the Red Pill. Once you see the code in the Matrix, you look back and realize, "Damn, so many missed opportunities..."

Years ago one of my best friends was a male model / aspiring actor, married to a well-known fashion designer in New York City. Lot of parties, lot of booze and blow, lot of models (mostly female, couple of guys) hanging around etc etc. One night at their place I'm chatting up this absolutely gorgeous girl (a model my friend's wife was working with at the time), we're totally vibing, and she gives me her number with "Yeah, let's stay in touch!!" Next morning: I look at the number for about 2 seconds, and then literally just toss the thing out, figuring why bother, it's not like I'm gonna date this chick or anything (I was a pudgy bastard at this point, with just a touch of Game but mostly I'd just stumbled into a situation in which I had a few "cool" friends and thus I was sorta cool by association). All I could think was: me, with this stunningly gorgeous thing? Forget it. Why waste my time even trying?

So a few weeks go by, and we all end up out at whatever the hot nightclub is at the time (bunch of friends from the industry), and there's the model chick from before. She slides into our group, comes up to me and says "Sooo--what have you been to...??" I rattle off something evasive and noncommittal ("Oh, busy" etc) and then she hits me with, "Yeah, I've been waiting for you to call me..." No joke, exact quote--and the funny thing is, she actually sounds a little hurt when she says it. Now here's the best part: I'm so bowled over (terrified really) when she says this that, now in a state of total shock, all I can do is just shrug and say something like "Huh. Really."--and then (here's the total cringe factor part, hilarious in retrospect) I just turned around and WALKED AWAY. (Seriously, my young mind was blown--it was like the little rainbow ball on the Mac when everything freezes--and I didn't know what else to do right then except beat a hasty retreat.)

Couldn't imagine the girl would have been interested in me at all (I wasn't nearly as good looking as the rest of the crowd), so I didn't even entertain the idea of calling her, let alone taking her out etc. Looking back now though, it was that very nonchalance that, honestly, probably would have gotten me a pretty solid date.

Tao of Steve was right: WE PURSUE THAT WHICH RETREATS FROM US. Lesson learned: display those alpha tells (the cool, aloof, zero-fucks-given attitude), and you're already halfway to home plate...

[–]ThrowAwayAllDamnDay 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Tell a girl she can't join your club and she'll do just about anything to get in.

[–]skoobled 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You do have to have a "club" to join, though...

[–]1jb_trp 34 points35 points  (4 children)

probably would have gotten me a pretty solid date

Doubtful. These women didn't want to date us. They wanted our attention and validation, to pull us into orbiter status.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 40 points41 points  (1 child)

I had an HB9 once tell me: "We already know if we are going to fuck you or not within a minute of meeting you." So close her. If you fail, it's because she was there to put you in orbit. Failing is succeeding in this case.

I have since asked every attractive, post-sexual-revolution woman with which I had a reasonable rapport. I can't think any that didn't agree with it.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9 points10 points  (0 children)

True. Looking back on it now, I'm sure whatever interest / temporary fascination I held for her (due to my blowing her off) would have evaporated just a few minutes into any interaction we ended up having together. My (unwitting) "alpha tells" would have been revealed to be the smokescreen they were--and 10 minutes into our "date", with her Beta Warning System suddenly blaring away, she'd realize, "Oh, wait, he DOES think I'm hot shit after all--guess he doesn't have that harem at his beck and call like I thought he did... Hmm, I wonder who else is around tonight..." And that would have been that.

[–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately this could well be true. Tread carefully. In life, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is

[–]sexythrower -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Or just maybe because you treat her like any other human being and don't base her value just off of her looks like anyone else does.

Hot women make me interested in them, but they also have to keep my interest by showing they are not the stereotypical hot dumb blonde.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Life is a game show where we are the prize, and women are the contestants.

[–]cubicpolynomial3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For this to happen, though, you must be the prize.

And for that, you need to work on yourself.

[–]user_7at 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Thanks for the antidote. I ran into a lot of this when I was in my beta stages. It's so pathetic to look back on now.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children)


Anecdote. And I hear you, I think this happened to all of us.

[–]CpCdouchebag 19 points19 points [recovered]

I dunno, I sort of like "the cure to the poison" in this context. Beta = poison.

[–]Boovs4life 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd say this is an "antidote for curing our beta ways"

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 57 points58 points  (14 children)

It's insane how fast women who have gotten nothing but attention will bend to someone who ignores or disregards them. They're not used to the chase and that sets you apart.

I honestly don't like this popular line of thinking amongst the redpill and manosphere. It suggests that by doing nothing you're somehow spitting game.

Also it suggests that women will chase you if you can stay "aloof" enough. In my experience this is patently false.

There's a huge line between not being thirsty or needy and being "aloof" or "distant". Nine times out of 10 if the man doesn't approach, escalate, and make things happen then nothing will happen at all. Unless you're in the top 10% looks, money, or status wise then ignoring women won't get you women.

Ignoring women is only a type of "game" after you've already banged them from my experience.

[–]PeanutFlavor 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Great on you for pointing that out. It's such an advanced technique that only will work if there's some sort of defining outward display of SMV. You can't just (successfully) throw around the aloof thing when you don't have any implied SMV. That ship will sink pretty fucking fast in the real world. But, if you work your inner game every bit as hard as your outer, that card will eventually be easy as fuck to pull. You'll be the most dangerous possible thing you could be...GENUINE.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's my point. Inner game isn't enough.

You already said you need outward displays of SMV for this to work. And you're right. You can have all the inner game in the world but if you don't have a tangible reason for women to choose up on you, acting "aloof" isn't getting you any fucking pussy.

That's a PUA fantasy.

[–]theultimatewarriors 9 points10 points  (4 children)

You have to escalate and take away. Give them an emotional high, then walk away to do it to the next person (so they aren't special, which is how a normal human should treat another normal human and it's not based on looks).

The more you treat her hot, the more fucked up it gets. It's not some game, it's literally anti-game. Game everyone else, give the hot girl good emotions, but pull back and don't "game" her.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Nine times out of 10 if the man doesn't approach, escalate, and make things happen then nothing will happen at all.

I don't know how to simplify it more than this. Play all the "game" or "anti-game" you want. If you don't approach, escalate, and make things happen as a man, you won't be scoring. My claims come from experience, not theorycrafting.

The only exception to this is the top 10% physically, fiscally, or status wise.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a PUA fantasy.

[–]theultimatewarriors 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Look back, I totally agreed.

Approach, amp up their emotions big time, but pull the take away. On stunners, I'm talking 10's out of LA or Vegas, you simply aren't going to find any other way to accomplish it more consistently. Yes you can get lucky by approaching and escalating, but they are so used to that there. They are constantly being hit up, constantly. Constantly guys pushing and pushing and pushing on them, and the only thing that stands out is if you kinda treat them like shit to some extent. You have to amp it up and immediately take it away and then there is a chance they actually will think about you and chase you later. I'm not making shit up, this is just me saying what I know. No theorycrafting.

I'm not talking about 7's, 8's, or 9's, I'm talking about the extremely rare "no 10's actually exist" girls. They are simply hit up constantly and have such an absurd amount of abundance in their life that they simply forget everyone who's ever escalated and led them, it's not going to ping their emotions like a takeaway does which can actually bring them back down to a normal perspective and then you can escalate and make things happen or go for the day-2.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is strange because we're in full agreement but we're disagreeing with each other.

[–]theultimatewarriors 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll agree with that. Hahahaha

[–]CQC3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Being passive is what got most guys into incel territory in the first place.

Most men ARE invested in getting pussy, and are in fact invested in the few options they have to spit game at. That's why they're told to approach frequently, because then you get more shots at "the game". The more shots you have at playing the game, the better you get at it. Compare it to being only able to play basketball once a week vs being able to play 4-5 times a week. You'd improve so much quicker from the higher exposure. Missing one session might not affect you as much either, whereas missing your only session for a week might make you feel like you have to get the most out of it. Thus creating unnecessary anxiety.

Aloof game is something that ALL people try in the dating world, TRP or not. It's a commonly thought of tactic and it just makes you look like a try hard with a gimmick.

Without the tell tale signs of higher SMV, women won't be attracted to your aloofness, they probably won't even notice you. Aloofness only works when it is the product of overexposure or desensitization, when you're not invested that much anymore. Generally the only way to reach this state is to be banging out plenty of chicks, and that's likely what your aloofness is signalling to other women, who now want to validate themselves by being the one to be able to pull your attention away from the many other girls you supposedly have. They won't chase you if your attention and validation isn't backed by something, kind of like gold backed currency. This is also another hilarious reason that you don't necessarily have to have something that you view to be of substance to get laid, you only need to get a juggling harem of women started and the momentum makes it easier to get laid. The first few will be the hardest.

The knee jerk reaction in chasing women with a BP mindset and then getting on TRP is that you want to say fuck women, I'm the prize etc. Well the reason why TRP works is because you're not just told to say you're the prize, you better fucking get working on being the prize. Be active, you ARE chasing pussy. Don't confuse rapport breaks and having strong boundaries with just sitting the fuck around telling yourself you don't care, waiting for the pussy to show up. Don't walk past a girl and intentionally not make eye contact and be all like, "fucking totally showed that bitch I didn't care". That's why outcome independence is a great term. It encompasses the proper mindset, you chase girls and show desire, but generally give the girl the impression that if she doesn't sleep with you, you're just going to take your dick elsewhere to pinker pastures.

[–]nadolny7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I agree. There is a need to establish some conversation first, make her invested in knowing us. That is essential so that when we leave promptly at the sign of a shit test or some bs she is putting with it will trigger her into you.

[–]Wel108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, you have to have something established before you play aloof. That goes without being said.

[–]user_7at -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

You must not be worth chasing.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Perhaps not. I'm short and ugly and I went bald at age 17.

I've spent years in the gym to develop my physique and I'm working on my career. My style has always been good. I can maybe get up to an 8 at best in pure physical terms with my physique and tattoos and good sense of style. I'm in no way genetically blessed.

After that it's just about money and status.

My point is the advice to just act "aloof" doesn't apply to 90% of men. Being aloof works for the top 10%. Actually ANYTHING works for the top 10%.

I still have to approach, get rejected, go on dates, and make an effort if I wanna get laid. I'm saying that this advice is not viable for 90% of men out there. I don't know if you think you're putting me in my place or anything but if all men were alpha and all we had to do was pretend not to care, this subreddit wouldn't exist in the first place.

Try and get off your high horse and drop the smug condescension for a moment to try and understand what I'm saying.

For 90% of men, simply acting uninterested won't do SHIT.

And I explained that already. There's a big difference between not being thirsty or needy, and acting aloof. No man should act needy when he pursues a woman but to tell men that they can get laid by ignoring women is pure folly.

[–]RPmatrix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

now that was a good explanation of what you meant brother. I was a bit confused before that clarification myself


[–]bowie747 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Any tips for being too difficult? I feel like I keep walking away when she's in the bag. After I've done the hard work. Not realising it's time to close, I leave or ignore thinking she'll come chase and then she doesn't.

[–]user_7at 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She needs to feel like she's getting somewhere with her advances, but it needs to still be hard. They are equally as important. Happy cake-day by the way.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was at a bar meeting up with some friends, and one of my friend's plates who I'd never met before was a solid HB9. A girl that would have been way out of my league in my Blue Pill days. My other friend and I just biked to the bar REALLY fast, and since it was allergy season, I was on the verge of an asthma attack for about 45 mins. I met this girl and proceeded to ignore her, because you know, I was mentally freaking out about not being able to breathe.

After a few minutes, she comes over to me and starts building rapport and then we start sort of flirting. I say "sort of" because I was moreso being a bit of a dick because wasn't in the mood and wanted to be left alone until I could breathe again. Eventually, she starts talking about how she's not going to have sex with me tonight. At one point I hand her my phone to show her a picture and she texts herself the picture, for no reason other than so I have her number.


[–]trumpisafaggybeta 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It's like seeing a fat, spoiled kid unable to get that one toy/game that he really wants.

[–]theultimatewarriors 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Their only reference is people that do this are valuable. Remember, a "10" usually has been a natural beauty her whole life. Every where and everything she's ever done, people have gone out of their way to help her and believe in her. She usually is retarded (not being mean, I literally just mean slowly developed) in skills that most people have or if you think about two men who are experts in their field talking about that field versus an expert and a child talking about it. She is still a child skills wise even in the things that she's supposed to be good at but she will be told by promotions of others that she's an expert (and she'll have evidence to support it), her value will always be rated higher than it actually is (really no exception for a 10). So when a man walks away, that's the only thing she knows for determining value that she hasn't experienced being better than (or if she has, she still has to figure it out which still puts you at a better advantage than not doing it). Most people have been better than her at even her skills and jobs but she has been brought through it and allowed to be rated higher even though she could never display value in that field (because she doesn't know how, someone helped her). Literally even those below her (lower job position) are usually going to know more than her, so even if you can nerd out about a subject, she's going to think she's better at it than you because that's what she's used to, people who knew more than her were still below her in a lot of scenarios in her life (because normal people don't get breaks the way an extremely attractive girl will). She is not going to understand how the real ranking of value in the world works and assumes most everything is people below her.

The life of the 10 is the life of every single person helping her along the way. She's simply not going to know how to display value, and thinks the person that walks away is the only thing consistently in her life that displayed value (because even displaying actual value does nothing because even that has been tainted in the past by peoples willingness to help her beyond her ability and even those with higher value in things she's interested in have in the past been below her on some value system).

[–]Brudesandwich 3 points4 points  (0 children)

HappenING to me now at work. The girl everyone wants to fuck keeps getting jealous when I flirt with the other girls and not with her and I rarely pay attention to her in that sense. She'll quickly stop what she's doing and butt in to the convoy between me and the other girl. And when I speak to her she listens to every word I say.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 119 points120 points  (7 children)

God damn I love this community and its unfiltered no-bullshit descriptions of how human psychology really works. People are so busy being politically correct and wrapping everything in proverbial cotton that it almost sickens me.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You still have to speak with tact and artifice among the unawakened, so don't abandon it altogether. But here in this space, we engage in straight-talk for the sake of learning and teaching.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I know. You won't hear these stories anywhere else except maybe Return of Kings.

That and the stories of men who date younger women (and make post-wall women bitter and jealous) are fascinating to me. Love that stuff, lol.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Indeed. I sincerely want to be one of those guys pissing off postwall ladies that way when I get older.

[–]The_Red_Paw 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'm 48. Spent my 20's (before The Matrix even came out) as a blue pill orbiter, bitter as fuck cuz women were repulsed by me and I couldn't figure out why. I'm 6'2, blond and blue. The genetic 1%, but my blue pill ways were disgusting to women.

Now I take great pleasure in dating women half my age, reveling in my Chad status, basking in the death glares of the women who dissed me 20 years ago. They are so far over the wall, the wall itself has crumbled behind them. My SMV has literally never been higher.

[–]Wel108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad to hear that. Enjoy my friend

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Me too.

A commenter over at Return of Kings once mentioned (as the subject of foreign brides vs. American comes up sometimes) how vicious the looks are that he gets from older women when out with his much younger Asian wife.

He also said one or two simps pulled him aside and tried to tell him she was "too young for him." Fucking ridiculous.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 47 points48 points  (3 children)

The halo effect applies at a base level for every woman and only gets amplified according to their beauty.

Co-opted quote: Treat a whore like a whore, and a princess like a whore.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Thanks for your contributions man! I still have your online dating guide bookmarked. It's helped me so much in many aspects of interacting with women (both online and in person) and has tangibly improved my results drastically.

[–]1naMlliPdeR 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have it bookmarked still too! Great guide, should be stickied forever.

[–]grass_cutter 45 points46 points  (8 children)

I don't agree with all of this.

Firstly hot chicks are just as insecure as anybody else. They usually know they are hot, but also struggle to be taken seriously and are always questioning whether men are friends/ or even dating them strictly for their nice bod/ ass/ face, or something more.

They also get the weirdest reactions from men, bar none, because many men are always nervous or "trying to make something happen" with her all the time, so say ridiculously stupid shit, try and bust on her a lot, and fuck knows what else.

Even though men "act weird" around her a lot, especially at work and other weird places, they don't get directly approached as much because the cowards at the bar have more courage to approach that club-footed 7 who appears "higher chance."

The most important thing to do with a 10 is NOT CHANGE YOUR GAME, AT ALL.

That's the biggest mistake. Thinking you have to run "ultra game" suddenly is the biggest fucking mistake; you're already putting her on a pedestal and acting like a weirdo.

Treating her like porcelain goddess is one mistake. Another is the ultra-obvious over-reaction and talking shit to her constantly and putting her down and reacting to her all the goddamn time, or "correcting her."

Act like a normal human being, run your standard game, that's the best way. Not being intimidated or goofy is what will set you apart. That and just being a cool guy to start out with.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Can confirm; ultra game is the brain tricking you. It might work well at first, but once she catches wind that you feel like you're trying too hard, she'll peace out faster than you can blink.

[–]yaysmr 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Seems like it should be obvious. Although her external appearance is shinier, she's still running the same "Woman 1.0" software. What works on 7's will work on 10's, as long as attraction is there.

The ONLY difference is that she has access to the highest quality men so you have to compete on a higher SMV level.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Stronger hypergamous options simply means less room for error on any one man's part. Case and point, be Don Draper.

[–]2kez88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think you make a great point about not over correcting either, but honestly you should probably be willing to walk away and not bend to any girls random crap, its just especially true with 10's I think is the point he's trying to make

[–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Firstly hot chicks are just as insecure as anybody else. They usually know they are hot, but also struggle to be taken seriously and are always questioning whether men are friends/ or even dating them strictly for their nice bod/ ass/ face, or something more.

They also get the weirdest reactions from men, bar none, because many men are always nervous or "trying to make something happen" with her all the time, so say ridiculously stupid shit, try and bust on her a lot, and fuck knows what else.

Even though men "act weird" around her a lot, especially at work and other weird places, they don't get directly approached as much because the cowards at the bar have more courage to approach that club-footed 7 who appears "higher chance."

100% correct ... I'd already said enough so I didn't mention this, but now you have.

As this poster says, HB9-10's ""They also get the weirdest reactions from men, bar none, because many men are always nervous or "trying to make something happen" with her all the time, so say ridiculously stupid shit, try and bust on her a lot, and fuck knows what else.""

Too true, that's why a genuine guy who's not pulling all the silly shit often get's a good response from a HB10 ... and even if she's not going to fuck you, the "smV increase" from her ''preselection of you" to talk to is well worth it in itself!

And who knows, you just might be "her type"! Beauty Is in 'the eye of the beholder' and who knows what she really likes? There's onlyy one way to find out!

[–]submitted_5_days_ago 29 points30 points  (1 child)


He who must adapt has the lesser power.

When women adapt to your will to plate them (no commitment) you have the greater power.

When customers adapt to the monopoly company they have the lesser power.

And so on, and so on in every aspect of life.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 29 points30 points  (9 children)

I guarantee to you that any other-worldly attractive chick you meet has some serious baggage. And how do I know this? Because of the halo effect. If everyone around her constantly sees her as blameless, she’s almost certain to go down some dark paths with little to no resistance.

...the hottest girl at the bar. But how exactly do you go about plating her?

This is an excellent point and I will just add something about marriage for those traditionalists reading TRP:

The sad, ironic truth is that almost all beautiful women are not marriage material. This is something traditionally minded cultures (that encouraged marriage 1.0) have always understood but they rarely outright explained. Due to the combined advantage of being 1) a woman and being 2) beautiful, beautiful women almost always grow up to be manipulative shit-testers who think their shit don't stink. They are not fun to be in a relationship with. They are a fleeting experience to enjoy. Pump and dump or plate until they drop.

I don't have a specific reference for this on hand, but I recall reading some interesting scholarly sources regarding marriage trends in China as well as Jewish matchmakers. The "folk wisdom" is to set yourself up with a woman we might call a "6, 7, or 8". Nines and Tens are off limits. If you really need to bust a nut in one go downtown to a prostitute who is a 9 or 10, but you don't marry one. All nines and tens got away with too much while they were growing up. They were daddy's little princess. They could do no wrong in school. Everyone was chasing them for dates. They become social experts from floating through life on easy mode. They learn how to manipulate by batting their eyelashes. They simply don't make a good mate for a husband. But go ahead and fuck 'em when you can.

This is the fucked up paradox for men and marriage 1.0: you want the prize of a beautiful wife but if you win that prize you are rewarded with a shitty relationship because beautiful women make for poor marriage partners. If you take the more homely woman she will be a good partner but your eyes will always be wandering. You will be wondering about fucking other, hotter women.

Marriage 1.0 was no halcyon institution where all was right with the world and everyone fucked beautiful slender submissive wives. Men lost no matter what. Marriage wasn't about winning, it was a duty you engaged in for the sake of your tribe, your nation, for civilization. For the good of the children.

And now even M1.0, as functional as it was, isn't even an option. We are living during fallen times. Or as Captain Capitalism once said: This IS the collapse. It's a choice between a so-so option and a meh-meh option. You just sack up and get on with the task at hand. Find your niche. Read the wisdom of the ancients and heed the warnings of your elders.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 11 points12 points  (3 children)

To briefly add onto this with a comical example: I went out recently with an ex-hot girl who over the last few years has gone from tall skinny, sexy Croatian model who was married at 16 to divorced, covered in tattoos, put on some extra pounds alternative model by 23.

All of her psychological issues aside, I want to point out just how comical it was spending a weekend with her. She genuinely acted like her value was higher than any other woman I'd ever met before in my life, and every single word out of her mouth was her shit-testing me, as if her own worth was still what it used to be. I could tell how much it got under her skin being unable to break my frame even once, until she was begging me to suck my dick and let me fuck her. I told her no, because quite honestly she struck me as the type who would scoop semen out of the garbage to knock herself up and fuck me over (an actual 'don't stick your dick in crazy' type; you think most girls are until you actually meet one), and it only made her start losing it for me harder.

I'm honestly proud of myself though; I've never in my life had to wade through so much female shit before in my life, and I did it masterfully. It was nice to have a real milestone to mark my own improvement with; seriously must have been 10,000 shit tests over the course of 3 days and 2 nights. Funny how the fallen ones will only get worse, and yet still expect the same treatment they got at 14-18.

find the 8 who thinks she's a 5, confirm the low number count, then see what her mom looks like, then go ahead and proceed with commitment. Save hot girls for trophy wife positions and weekend fucks, because I seriously see the same hot as fuck women at the bar so bring my dates to week after week, always eyeing me up wondering what I'm doing with women who aren't as pretty as they are... who fail to see themselves as the bar sluts they've become.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great example. You mind telling us what kind of shit tests she was giving you and how you overcame them?

[–]apachemd 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is all relative to the guy's SMV though. The key is to create a huge positive SMV gap i.e. Your SMV is way way higher than the girl's. Is you have that she will fall in line even she is a 10 on the absolute scale. If your SMV is only moderately high then I agree you'd be better off going for a 6 and still maintaining a modest positive SMV gap.

Never ever ever agree to be with or worse marry a chick with whom you have a negative SMV gap, your life will be miserable and she will cheat on you. Either find a lower SMV chick or wait and build/increase your own SMV.

[–]donaldcicc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have been living in Shanghai for almost three years now. There is a strange mix of this going on. The parents do try and fix up their kids (the marriage market at People's Square Park is still a favorite place to see this), expecially for older daughters. But the truly hot girls you see with the newly rich. I have never seen more Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Bentleys in my life. The women who exit the passenger sides are often stunners. And the spoiled kids you would expect. In addition to the normal Halo Effect, there is also the Little Emperor Syndrome caused by the single child policy. A double whammy that creates some true monsters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"If you want to live a happy life, then marry an ugly wife."

Protip: dont marry

[–]1Sir_Distic 26 points27 points  (8 children)

Abundance mentality provides you the ability to walk from ANY woman. Always be willing to walk.

[–]Stythe 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I had a female friend who would do this when I didn't agree with her stances of female objectification. She always made sure to hang up the phone first too. Seems to have changed now that she's a little older and more miserable.

[–]Reastruth 12 points13 points  (1 child)

In my experience, if you walk away, most attractive women will easily just get validation and attention from any other guy (or guys) waiting to talk to her, buy her drinks, invite her to their table etc. Then she will flirt with them and maybe go home with and fuck them.. How would you avoid getting AMOG'D?

[–]sirencow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course she will get attention from betas .Being an alpha means that you are competing with yourself not betas

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (8 children)

They cannot stand rejection. My ex Unicorn was hard nexted by my bro that dated her just prior because he saw her giving her number to random dude at a party. She was moving to branch swing, but because he just dropped her and went no contact she said when we broke up "I was still into him for the first three months we were together."

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

especially with no closure like your bro probably did. Hard nexting with no explaination= female hamster does not comprehend and runs wild. In essence she was using you to try to get over him.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Yes, I was indeed rebound. I gamed this one over 5 years. She's literally the prettiest girl I've ever seen in my life. Dad is Alpha 1.0 (thanks Blackdragon) sales director, QB of Ivy League football team, etc. Within 6 weeks I was at the McMansion for dinner with him. No other guy ever made it to daddy warbuck's. Was in her mom's wedding, we did a guitar/vocal duet. Both parents were talking marriage. I "was the best I've ever seen" said the father. "If you're gonna ask for her hand, come to me not her father" sayeth the mother. Total genetic sexual attraction, too. Lost my job, lost frame, lost the girl. Got her back after 5 months of study and pure agony, lost 20 lbs, couldn't sleep, nor value any other woman. STAGE 5 ONE-ITIS. I was sad Affleck...even completed a song with a Phoenix reference. Discovered Coach Corey Wayne and TRP in the aftermath of loosing her again. She brought a new guy to a party I threw last year, whom she is now engaged to. He has no idea what lurks beneath...at this point I consider myself unicorn widowed. I'll have to land a Milla Jovovich clone or do psychedelics to rewire my Eros circuit. Saving grace is knowing monogamy is no longer long term feasible. At least I got out sans baby and contract.

[–]FluffyWof 3 points4 points  (3 children)

She sounds great. What happened?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

There's so much to say; I've considered writing a script. In all fairness in consideration for the submissions here, it would be a fit contribution to create a per first post detailing the events leading up to and my experience with her. I am so utterly inspired by you all and feel such tremendous gratitude that I am moved to recall it all in detail for your consideration.

Short story, I had a clairvoyant dream 8 years before kissing her and asking her to go steady of the night that the same happened. I saw more coincidences and Jungian synchronicities than in any other relationship. In 50+ women I'd never experienced the raw emotional bliss of wanting marriage and children. She was the resolution to conflicts in self and the karma of my own parents' marriage. Best sex ever, the Disney fairytale, the love of my life...and essentially sister to KryptoKate from "Confessions of a Serial Monogamist." That post broke the goddamn spell, as did observing a woman with similar genetics moan and maneuver just like her during sex last night.

Sometimes Life has to humble you to the dust, put you in bondage, so that you might enjoy freedom. The self must suffer before it dies.

[–]FluffyWof 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wait so who dumped who and why? You write so confusingly.

[–]Physio_Tool 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Your right, Ill add on to your anecdote and say that I am an American and was visiting avery small town in Denmark. The girls there are of course very attractive blondes in Denmark. Well I hit it off with a girl who was a near 9 that would not have even given me the time of day here in Scotland (as rare as they are here) and we were chatting over facebook and flirting and it was getting lightly sexual but I just went stone cold silent on her because I had to go back anyway. The girl couldn't handle me going silent on her that she actually blocked me on FB and whatsapp. Talk about butt hurt.

[–]Expectations1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Its like patrice o neal says "WE'RE BETTER THAN THEM"

[–]ClericJohnPreston 8 points9 points  (1 child)

"Don't keep anything in your life that you can't walk away from in 30 seconds if you spot the heat around the corner". Neil McCauley (Deniro in "Heat")

It doesn't QUITE work perfectly for TRP in this context but this is exactly what I think of every time this subject matter is brought up here. I love that movie.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All good things must come to an end it would be good to mentally prepare for that.

[–]whatyearisthisagain 7 points8 points  (0 children)

[–]DJGammaRabbit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Love this post because it's truer than anything I've experienced. You're friend zoning ME? It's unfathomable.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OmLaLa and his readers creating Alpha Widows . God Bless TRP

[–]EscortSportage 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I totally agree with being indifferent and telling women no. Ive been seeing this woman for a while now and ive said no numerous times and got firm with her, and the next time i saw her she had cold beer and dinner waiting for me, among other things. Its like the more times i say no, or im busy or i cant i have plans the more she wants me.

paradigm shift

[–]G3RTY 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I tried walking away after an, "ok" and she never came back and some other guy forcibly made out with her a few hours later.

[–]103342 47 points48 points  (4 children)

This is the problem with guys that think that TRP is PUA.

You can't "try" to walk away, if you think everytime you "try" to walk away the girl is going to crawl back to you, you are delusional.

This is what abundance mentality is all about:

"She's not yours it is just your turn". "Always be willing to walk away". etc.

This isn't (or it shouldn't be) a manipulation technique. This is what you should feel about the situation.

Everything gets easier, game and frame gets easier, when you just love your life and yourself.

You love gaming new girls. You love working out. You love the sports you play. You love your friends. You love spending time alone. Meditating, reading, playing some instrument, working in your career. You love it.

If you use walking away as a bluff, you are going to get frustrated.

[–]PeanutFlavor 11 points12 points  (1 child)


Big reason why I moved away from the PUA stuff. I saw success with the techniques--surely--so I won't follow the herd and knock it, but I just couldn't get into the fact that there seemed to be so much fighting yourself over "ownership" of a woman. There was so much tap dancing and court jester buffoonery going on. Many of these techniques took too much valuable time away from things that were actually important to the game as a whole and that would actually develop internal confidence to a point where one would be a lot more natural of a speaker with women and make longer, deeper eye contact--enjoying that friction and enjoying the release as well.

Even TRP sometimes gets deep into shit that I have don't have to give 3/5 of a flying fuck about. I feel too natural at this point. I can do my own shit and it'll work, so I don't need to have that much value placed in any particular woman like that anymore to really get into the old fuzzy hat, DHV, feigning being stoic shit--I AM the fuzzy hat, I truly AM detached because sexually, I've already seen what I psychologically needed to see a few years ago. I need nothing from else anyone's interaction with me. Abundant mindset at play.

If I'm not feeling it or she's not feeling it, I will never hurt for the attention again..it's coming my way tomorrow, literally, from someone brand new. It's almost daily that a new plate springs up if I choose to put it out there, very little effort these days. Definitely in a phase of amused mastery at the moment. Surely there'll once again be a time when I'm not on a roll...so I'm staying educated to keep the impact as minimal as possible, so I can be adapt with it and learn.

[–]G3RTY 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It wasnt a bluff, and I do follow the principle of abundance. I literally had it in my mind that it did not matter

[–]Il128 8 points8 points [recovered]

The real negative about hb9-10 is that they have insanely high n counts. They are very much used to pumping and dumping the highest quality men. For them there's always another alpha in the wings.

Most of these women I've spent time with game just as hard as the best man can game. They really are incapable of commitment and would never stop playing the field.

The other thing I've noticed about them is that they are all looking to gold dig some poor bastard.

When she's smoking hot I just game my best and hope for some NSA sex. I can't imagine actually plating one of these hb9-10 chicks.

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[–]Il128 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It boggles my mind, the number of men who think women just sit around with their legs crossed waiting for just that one special guy.

No. You masterbate. She swipes on Tinder, gets a free meal, drinks, a night out, good company and laid. She knows the worlds full of naive men who think she'd never just go out and fuck a bunch of guys.

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[–]Il128 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You can't believe anything women say about their chastity.

If they are attractive they are having sex and having sex frequently.

Try to imagine if you could get laid anytime you wanted. Yeah, they're doing that.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 1 point2 points  (2 children)

"...and would never stop playing the field."

Haha yeah for now, just wait until those wrinkles and sags start to really come out!

[–]omega_fat 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I just happen to know a couple of (ex) 9-10s who are now in their 50s and 60s. Plenty of wrinkles. Still playing the field. Your revenge fantasy will not come true.

[–]askmrcia 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I just experienced this, over the weekend. So this 9/10 girl at work asked me to go out with her and this other guy. I said sure. This past Saturday me and this girl been texting trying to figure up a time and place. I picked a location and she bitched about it. So I picked another one that was a five minute walk from her apartment.

It was downtown. We agree to meet up at eleven. Me and the other guy are pretty close. So we grabed a few beers while waiting. It's now 11:45pm and she is saying she is on her way. I said whatever, and had me and the other guy go to another bar.

So we at the second bar. The girl calls me and ask where I'm at. I say "I'm at a bar that's like 100yds away. Just walk on down." She said she can't do that because she will be raped if she walked down because of the way she was dressed. I laughed and told her Ill come get her. I honestly thought she was joking and wanted me to go get her and walk with her. I was like "yes she wants me to walk alone with her, now's my chance."

Boy oh boy, was I wrong. She completely flipped on me. Started cussing me out saying I was an asshole for having her wait at the bar by herself. She then said I'm an asshole for telling her to walk to the bar I was at by herself. I was like wtf?

I told her, "well you were late." She says "who shows up at a bar at 11pm." I'm thinking, you agreed to show up at that time, so why does it matter?

So we get to the 2nd bar. I start chatting up with these group of girls just for fun, not paying her or the other guy attention because she was pissed off at me. Five minutes later she flips on me again saying I'm weird for picking a bar that plays pop music. She wants a bar that plays rap music. Now the bar we were at played both. So I'm like whatever.

She then flips on me again saying she feels awkward around me because she can't hang out with two guys at one time. Keep in mind, this was all her idea. She wanted us two guys to hang with her. I just improvised the plans, but it was all her idea. So she tells me she is leaving the bar for another club she's more familiar with.

Me and the other guy follow her to this bar, which was like next door. We at the other bar and she has to "go to the bathroom." When she leaves I tell the other guy that nothing against him, but I'm leaving.

So that was this past Saturday

Today all three of us meet up at work. Now as I mentioned me and the other guy are boys. We always go to lunch together so we can play pool. Well not always, but most days. Today she asked if she can come with us. Now she never did this before. I invited her to lunch all last week and she declined. We said sure. As we are walking to the cafeteria the girl was like "hey lets just drop it, everything cool." And I was like "Sure since I didn't do anything wrong, but yea lets drop it."

You guessed it. That started a mini argument because "what do you mean you didn't do anything wrong?" I told her I left because she said she felt awkward when being out with two guys at the same time. So to make her feel less awkward she can hang out with just the other guy.

So eventually we agree that we cool.

Now why did I tell this story? Because she's a 9/10 and she thinks guys like me is supposed to bend over for her. She came 45mins late. Not to mention we picked a place literally 5mins away from her. She took a FREAKING UBER to the bar because she thinks guys will rape her if she walks down the street by herself. Those were her words and she says she never goes out alone. During Saturday she kept texting me being unsure if she wants to go or not. So what I'm saying is she made the entire planning process hard and she killed the mood when all three of us went out. She no doubt got away with that behavior before. The other guy stayed with her. She even bragged to me today how her and the other guy had so much fun together after I left.

Now I can't tell if she wants me and is using the other guy to get me jealous or she wants me and the other guy to give her attention. The other guy is short and not as attractive. He's my boy, but its true. He's like 5'5 and I'm 6'0". All of us are 25 years old.

Just a little background. We are all new workers in training. I flirted with this girl at the job (I know don't shit where you eat, but she is gorgeous). She seemed interested at first.

Edit: Grammar

[–]FeeFeeFeaster 8 points9 points  (1 child)

She completely flipped on me. Started cussing me out saying I was an asshole for having her wait at the bar by herself.

This is when you should have walked. But I know it was made more difficult for you by this:

We are all new workers in training. I flirted with this girl at the job...

If you're in this situation again with a non-coworker, walk immediately.

Because she's a 9/10... she thinks guys will rape her if she walks down the street by herself.

Because she's 25 and in the recent past was fed bullshit numbers about 1/4 women on campus being "sexually assaulted" in our "rape culture."

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because she's 25 and in the recent past was fed bullshit numbers about 1/4 women on campus being "sexually assaulted" in our "rape culture."

Sad, but true. I couldn't believe she truly believed this. Like do women really believe someone is going to kidnap them off the streets and rape them? I still can't believe she wasn't joking, but she was dead serious.

If you're in this situation again with a non-coworker, walk immediately.

You're right. She was a co-worker and the last thing I wanted was HR or the whole work environment getting on me. She even tried to tell me today that I yelled at her in the club, which wasn't true at all. I never raised my voice. But yea, if she wasn't a co-worker you're right. Just walk away.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not only does walking away when she acts up display alpha traits from her perspective, but it's also a totally healthy approach to an argument or disagreement in some cases.

1.) distancing yourself for a moment to gather your thoughts and not bend and lose frame.

2.) it's good for self-respect. You want to date someone who's going to act like an adult.. Not some bratty teenager who raises their voice to you and acts disrespectfully.

3.) She gets a moment to herself to calm down and gather herself emotionally.

4.) She learns that she can't act that way in an argument with you because it's not going to go anywhere.

Whether it's your girlfriend guilt tripping you over going out with your friends, your kid crying for a snickers at the grocery store checkout, or friends who think it's okay to flake on friday night plans 20 minutes before going out.. When you make your stance you stay firm in your stance. If you decide to give in, they'll learn that they can get you to cave if they do A, B, and C. If you don't cave, those options don't exist..

The only option that exists is to earn your positive feedback for whatever reward it is they want. If your girlfriend acts up for going out, don't give in. It's your life, you can do whatever you want and if you're obviously loyal and there are no red flags that suggest you're cheating on her then have a talk with her and let her know you need guy time with your friends every now and then. I your kid wants a snickers at the grocery checkout they can act well mannered at the store and get a treat for doing a good deed during the week or something. If your friends keep ditching you, start planning fun events and invite everyone in your close friend group except the dude who's a constant flake. Tell him "I would have hit you up but you've flaked on me 3 times in a row".

[–]Mlanon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. Dated a girl who had been the prize her whole life. I told her what to do, would ignore her if she didn't please me, and set the boundaries as far as our schedule went. She is always looking to please me. One night she turned me down for sex because she wasn't in the mood. I was cold, told her to leave, said it made me angry, ignored her texts for a day. Next time we met she was completely apologetic.

[–]aazav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

(nonchalantly) dumped.

Bingo. You hit their pain point. They CARE about the attention.

[–]greatmikeshark 1 point2 points  (1 child)

upvoted on the fact it's not the length of a PHD thesis

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

good content boiled down to few words. This is a quality post, distilled to a top quality post.

[–]RedPistola 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Om, I missed you bro. I'm glad the promotions keeping you busy. Keep the snippets coming, they're much appreciated.

[–]meh613 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How can I tell if I have a girl "half-interested" in me? Their reactions to my conversation have ranged from (mostly) politely listening to asking to come over and giving me a blowjob (on one occasion). Now, of course, the one that came over was a 1 on my (harsh) scale for rating women, and she's still stalking me.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

well she was a 1 but she was half interested at least. politely listening? that is a bit interested I'd say or she'd walk away. You gotta close the deal before she loses all interest.

[–]meh613 3 points4 points  (1 child)

She was definitely interested, as she gave me a blowjob at my place within 10 minutes of meeting her. The other extreme I've gotten is people politely listening until I exhaust all topics of conversation.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

politely listening makes me think she is waiting for you to say something dangerous or bad boyish. not just typical cliché topics of conversation. Or is it not so polite, watch out for signs of her being annoyed.

[–]Nikelu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OmLaLas posts are fuarking golden

[–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You've basically elaborated on what I've been saying in a not-as-articulate manner for ages - treat hot women the same you you'd treat a spoiled child.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I treat all women the same. I game hot chicks the same way I'd game ugly chicks. The only difference is I wanna fuck the hot chicks.

[–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugly women aren't playing life on easy mode, though. When they get told "no", it's nowhere near as much of a shock to them as it is to hot women. Hell, when I've worked in bars, the only people who dare ask for free drinks are guys, or attractive women. Never ugly women.

[–]Wel108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is great. I just posted something completely opposite of this, which is kind of funny.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get a girl at least semi-invested in you in some way, wait for her to try and start an argument or debate over something stupid, don’t engage, say something neutral like “Ok” (as if you didn’t hear a word she just said)

This is also a great way to teach your girl about creating unnecessary drama.

If she is in the process of beginning to throw a tantrum, don't cut her off, but let her go. Let her go full meltdown, scream at you, insult you, cry, whatever. Don't even move your eyebrow, but look at her dead-serious all the time.

Once she stops, maybe expecting an answer, just reply with “Finished? ... Good.“ followed by a 180 and a soft next.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I met this girl, she is young, early 20s. 178cm tall, black hair, well did fake tits, perfect body, one of the most beautiful girl i ever saw. With a smile that non of you could resist. She is like a younger version of Rachel Weisz, just better.

She was $67/hour (swallowing included).

Worth it? well, no.

Yes, she is a prostitute, a shockingly beautiful one. If you would run into her in a bar, you would NEVER expect this from her. Since she can get any man, but still, she does what she does. And from my experience she is not enjoying it, but you know, all of them have BIG DREAMS.

Listen, someone will be so happy to wife her up. I can't even imagine how much baggage she has right now. Seemingly, she is the most fucked up girl i ever paid for.

[–]seeing-red- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you find one who swallows?

[–]Il128 3 points3 points [recovered]

Holy shit. I see from the comments 99% of you haven't even been within ten feet of a 10 let alone gamed one.

First of all, these women are the masters of dread game. You meet dread game with dread game and see how that goes.

The thing to do is maintain frame and use acceptance technique. You're never going to land a 10 by ignoring her.

[–]sirencow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are forgetting that at the end of the day ,she is a woman despite her sick dread game .She derives her self worth from the constant validation that she gets from betas .Men's attention to her are a huge jigsaw puzzle and once one piece (ignoring her) is removed ,everything falls apart .

[–]phate0451 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What's the acceptance technique?

[–]Intensityintensifies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with the bulk of your post but I feel that saying O.K. when you disagree is not the proper route. She's used to people saying O.K. or, "whatever you want beautiful" just to keep her around and keep her happy. From my personal experience picking up the gauntlet and explaining why you disagree with her and not being scared to challenge her on the power she thinks she has over men gets a far better response because you are asserting your independence and making her actually fight to be right rather than assuming her tits will do the talking. Saying O.K. is in a way bending to her because she'll just hamster herself into a position where she thinks you surrendered.