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Summary: Women make absolutely terrible emotional support. She needs her man to be a rock, and if he isn't then she'll take her pussy elsewhere. Do not rely on a woman to help you out through hard times. Talk to your male friends instead; they will actually care and support you.

Full thread here.

Those who read my threads know I don't hold back any punches. When a man is acting like a beta bitch, I call him a beta bitch. It's the only way they learn. But this thread on the OKCupid subreddit tugged at my heartstrings a little bit and I'm having trouble being mean to the dude. It's just sad.

OP has been in a relationship with a girl who is always clingy (read: relies on him as a strong alpha rock). The moment - and I mean the moment he displays vulnerability by admitting that he's worried about passing final exams, her face puckers up and her vagina clamps shut like the security gates at Fort Knox. A few days later she breaks up with him. Read his words for yourself to really absorb what female nature is like...

Mine: It was during the last days of finals. She was already done with hers and had gone home for a few days. She came back to pack up her stuff. I tagged along to help. We pack up her belongings and go down to the pizzeria downstairs. We sit down with our food and shes tells me she wants to break up out of nowhere. Im like what? Shes like ive been too clingy this past week and she cant handle it. I tell her wtf, you've been clingy our whole relationship shes like I know but its unattractive when a guy acts like it. Im taken back, I just wanna stab her with my fork at this point. She eats her food and I dont even touch mine.

We head back to my apartment where she collects the stuff she had left over. She tells me shes going back home today. I'm like stay the night so we can talk and try to fix things. Shes like no shes done. I tell her to call me or text me so I know she got home safe she never does. I had a final the next day but i was too heartbroken and confused to study.

The next day I take my final which I fail. She was suppose to be my ride back from my final to my apartment, but obviously she was gone. I check for the shuttle and its broken down and theres a 2 hour wait. It's a sunday so all the college buildings are locked. I start walking back to my apartment which is 5 miles away. On my way home I walk past our fav eatery when its starts pouring rain. At that very moment is when I felt the saddest most alone in my life.

She didn't look back or feel a shred of remorse. Hell, she didn't even feel emotional enough to stop eating her food during the conversation. And that's the female imperative. "Weakness and vulnerability detected. Abort relationship, branch swing immediately. Bzzzt. In ten, nine, eight..."

The thing is, we at RedPill know this so we don't fall into these traps ourselves and end up getting hurt later. If only OP was clued in to what women are really like, he could have build up some resilience ahead of time, resolved to not display weakness in front of his girlfriend, passed his exams and continued to get sex from her. And hey, who knows, maybe this will be the electric shock to finally wake him up. Maybe this will be the moment he understands that the only person you should emotionally rely on is your mother and your male friends. That's it. Males have empathy, we understand what difficult times are like. We'll help you commiserate over boxing gloves or a stout at the local bar. Females? Females will leave you to go snuggle up with Chad the minute you drop the ball.

Some of the commenter stories in that thread are also enlightening...

Wife cheated, Found out, wanted it to work but the guy she was cheating with had a really fat bank balance which I could never match with my pay grade.

Served me Divorce paper at work out of no where. I went to the rooftop at work, cried like a bitch and lit up a cigarette & burned her pic that I had in my wallet. Saddest day of my life.

Yep. The other guy had Alpha vibes so strong that hubby just couldn't compete.

For nearly four years of coupledom, she'd been asking me to be more emotionally open. Practically begging, at times. I've never been one to talk about my feelings much, and I default to dealing with my problems on my own rather than sharing them with other people. She was very much the opposite: regular sharer, always stressing the need for healthy communication in a relationship, big believer in non-violent communication and so on. It was always a sticking point between us.

Anyway, I'm self-employed, and a few months ago I lost a couple of big clients in quick succession. For once, I opened up to her about it. I told her that I didn't know which direction I was going in, that I felt hopeless, that I didn't know what I was going to do to make sure I could keep paying rent. Well, that was the end of the relationship. Lesson learned, I guess.

^ Four years. These guys were together FOUR YEARS. And as soon as the woman detects that the meal ticket is almost expired, she ejects. Because he failed the biggest shit test in the book, he succumbed to her nagging that she wanted a more "emotionally open man".

Caught my wife cheating of 20 years with coworkers, again. Self confidence had already paid too much a price so I packed my shit up and left.

Had a couple of counseling appointments where her only responses were that it was my fault. Ditched her and my entire friend circle that rallied behind her because I was the asshole. I did nothing wrong that couldn't have been fixed with proper communication, and I lost literally everything and no support system to get me through it.

Came out the other end a tough mother fucker.

^ I wanted to leave this above post for the end because it leaves us on an optimistic note. This guy's wife cheated, he got divorced, tried to go to "couple's counseling" like a good little Beta Bob. Finally grew a spine and ditched his old toxic life to start anew, became a tough motherfucker and is now on top of the world. This is what OP needs to do. He needs to swallow the RedPill and understand that it's up to us, as men, to forge our own path in life. Our women will not help us.

Women only have two purposes. Sex, and passive feminine support that feels good but is contingent on you having your shit together (like cooking dinner, giving backrubs, decorating the house, entertaining guests at dinner parties, etc). Those two are the only things she can ever give you. Don't expect more.

Every man has a story like OP's that jolted him and exposed him to reality. What's your story?

TL;DR: Women are awful at giving any kind of support when your luck is down. Rely on men, not women. The only use girls have is sex and passive feminine energy.


[–]bobbyraw 271 points271 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I love that she has him pack up all her belongings first before she dumps his sorry arse. Complete lack of any empathy.

[–]ChimpWithAGun203 points [recovered] (145 children) | Copy Link

The most evil part about her lack of empathy is that she did not wait to dump him after his exam. Now he had a big distraction affecting his mind that prevented him from studying, causing him to fail the exam.

[–]yaysmr 165 points166 points  (110 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. I've seen men dumped on their birthdays, in the wake one of their parents dying, and of course when they're recovering from an injury or suffering from some grievous disease.

They've made the decision to pull the eject lever, they're not going to time it for your convenience, even though it would just require the barest amount of patience. Can't put her life on hold to help someone else out, no sireeeeeee!

You can maybe argue that she doesn't realize how much impact her leaving has, but even so, its common sense to not make those sort of changes during important/traumatic events. But we also know they like to be the center of attention...

[–]103342 153 points154 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

Women love to see a guy suffering after she leaves, makes her feel like she did the right choice.

In my personal experience most women will CHOOSE the absolute most devastating moment to breakup, just so she won't see him getting up easily after the breakup.

[–]_the_shape_ 57 points58 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women love to see a guy suffering after she leaves, makes her feel like she did the right choice.

Of course. If a guy ever hears "I'm afraid to hurt you" from another girl, it simply means she perceives him as weak (read: unattractive) in her eyes, not 'vulnerable' in some beta-ass endearing sense, so a guy suffering after being broken up with, in her mind, essentially amounts to "you just got rid of a pathetic beta - nothing to second guess here".

I spoke with a friend recently who crossed paths with my ex - the one who led me to TRP almost two years ago now - and according to him, he asked her "why'd you leave him?", to which she insisted "no, he left me!" He told me that he suggested to her that she call me (as if I want to hear from her), and that she replied: "he'd probably hang the phone up on me if I tried". True story, of course, was that I did the classic beta-backslide over the course of the relationship and desperately tried to get back on top by going alpha at the end (failed: only led her to see me as an asshole - that is, a disobedient beta), and she called it off.

Women can publicly go one of two ways following a breakup they initiated: the poor, hapless victim route ("I had to do it! The pain was unbearable! Shower me with sympathy and pity!") or the strong, brave empowered girl route ("I was settling!" "I can do better!" "you go gyrl!")

[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

(failed: only led her to see me as an asshole - that is, a disobedient beta)

Yes, in this case the best course of action (assuming it's figured out first) is to break up with her as she would with you: "out of the blue," no explanation, no contact after. It will be better for you in the short term because it saves the trouble of trying to save/change a relationship and become the disobedient beta instead of the alpha you want to be, and will give you the upperhand in the long term dynamics with her in the future, with the side-effect of devastating her self-image (how dare that beta loser dump me, who does he think he is?).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a woman goes "we decided that we want different things, no biggie, let's move on", know you lost a unicorn.

[–]yaysmr 17 points18 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

I really would hate to believe that, for sure. I usually chalk it up to them wanting to either recenter attention on themselves and their emotions or to cover up their act with other events, rather than a desire to knock him down further.

Although I am sure that there exist women who maliciously plan the breakup weeks or months in advance to cause the largest impact possible.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's a planned thing. I think it's more that perhaps there is tension in the air and that triggers them to march. That tension could be your family death, illness, man becomes needy, whatever stirs their anxiety.

[–]yaysmr 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Guess that's true. She could be waffling on it for a long while, and then the emotional punch of trauma finally pushes her into action...

She doesn't feel the right emotional weight until the surrounding events bring the emotional context to an apex, THEN she feels strongly enough to act.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. In guy terms, it would be like the nervous jitters right before a physical altercation. You're ready, but don't want to start it. Then he spits at you or shoves you or whatever. BOOM, it's on.

[–]Serbianthuggger 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The OP on the OKcupid said it in the discussion. "lol she got into a relationship the next week with a guy she fucked while we were still together."

[–]reigorius 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's some sort of automatic balancing act. Shifting too much to the soft side, except a blow from the corner you least expect it. It's natures way to rebalance and redshift whatever the fuck needs balancing.

[–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's natures way to rebalance and redshift whatever the fuck needs balancing.

And Karma, and cosmic love, and bees.

What is that "nature" so many speak of? You mean the completely indifferent whore that doesn't care if a predator finds a puppy and skins it alive and then leave it lying there without even eating it? That nature? That karma? Those bullshits? Nature don't care. Karma doesn't exist. There's no rebalancing.

[–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand where you coming from. I'm not talking about hippy bullshit energy balance shit.

More the innate behavior we have as a species, as in a women naturally ejects or rejects when she perceives her partner as too weak. In that sense I meant balance. If you're off too much (too weak, too depressed, too whatever), a woman, by nature, has an inborn response, balancing out, in the grand scheme of Darwinism, nature.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh, this seems to be my year of "rebalancing". I'm gettin' my yayas out there but sheesh, painful metaphoric kicks to the balls seem to be the norm. Here's to coming out stronger and better...

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

You don't understand women then. They are evil. They love being hurt by alphas, and they love hurting betas.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

The word you are looking for is "wicked".

Meaning they aren't planning constantly to hurt people, or doing so in a conscious way. They just do if the right situation arouses. They have no self control. They are slaves to evil should that be allowed by society, not evil themselves. They just submit to the dominant current. To us, wrong is evil. To them, weakness is evil. Different viewpoints. One lacks strategy, one lacks ethic.

My personal definition of wicked as i came to define it in face of women and DT men misdeeds: lacking a spirit. They only are a body filled with instinct.

Nobody can be "evil" one can only do "evil". Persons that just end up doing or aspiring to do evil are just wicked.

Old days they would say a "Belial's son" where Belial meant: worthless person. Women are worthless in spirit (on men vocabulary: worthless person), that's all.

Do not trust them, but do not demonize them. They are slaves to the waves of physical reality. I don't even say this to benefit them, but ponder this:

The exact reason women are wicked is because they look outside of themselves to find the reason they are shitty as they are. If you believe that woman shittyness is evil, you will concede frame to the world motions just as they do.

Instead, recognize their reactive nature, and let them go on their wicked way without resentment (nor need to help). We shall know better than them... focus on the inside. That's where you can find happyness. Or atleast that's the path that is working for me the most.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said! Wicked is a perfect word for them.

I KNOW for fact that most women don't seek to do this stuff, it's just their nature to the things they do. Hell or high water, their quest in life is comfort...be it financial, emotional, etc. They are like children. They know nothing besides immediate want. We all should know that taking the Red Pill is about understanding these traits and being able to navigate around this behavior so that we can adapt and manipulate it so that civilized society can continue to run along to the benefit of us all. When men are the hunters..women tend to be more satisfied. The reason why they are acting out so much these last couple of decades is because a lot of us are no longer hunters. We are the ones who allowed this by forgetting where we stand in the food chain. We got too comfortable.

So the idea is not to fight a woman's nature, because fighting it is absolutely futile. It's biological and too deeply ingrained in their psyche. However, we can absolutely out-adapt them and out-frame them--especially the generation of women coming up now. They are COMPLETELY unprepared for an educated, abundant male.

Luke 23:34 "...they know not what they do, Lord" is a perfect line for women. They truly are unaware of anything else other than themselves and their children (and even that's falling off, given how many women are out there neglecting, abusing and killing their children).

Absolutely spot on, man. "Do not trust them, but don't demonize them." I love that.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Women are garbage and they know they are. They all hate themselves deep down. That's why they shit on any man who treats them nice because they know they dont deserve it. Women love DT men because DT men give them the sadistic psychopathic tingles that hurt them emotionally and make them feel alive.

And I do believe that women conciouslh hurt men. They don't care. All men are is a dick, muscles, and a wallet. Women aren't capable of love. Not even alphas. They just lust after alpha genes but they don't love.

[–][deleted]  (14 children) | Copy Link

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[–]AnAbsoluteSith 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why this is taking so long to settle in my thick skull

[–]icecow 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This crossed my mind but I don't know if it will fly.

Dogs love men, men love women, women love children, children love puppies.

[–]bluedrygrass -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What a load of bullshits. Women don't really love children. They love the feelings and attentions and status and power trips childrens give them.

And childrens surely don't love puppies. Stop trying to put random chaos in order.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Expand this comment into its own thread.

[–]ThePillAdvisor 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I cannot upvote this enough.

We miss the point continuously about this is just their nature and how they are built to react.

The fact that they don't want or appreciate weakness stems way back to prehistoric times when a weak male could not support or provide meaning starvation and death. We obviously know this is not the saw in modern day. This does not mean that the programming they have just disappears though!

[–]Gigamon2014 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not evil at all.

"Power CAN corrupt and WILL corrupt"

Give people power and they will abuse it. They cant help it. You learn that on your first day as a elementary school teacher. Betas give women power. What makes it even worse is that inherently weak people tend to abuse power more readily. Women, being the weaker sex (thats not even me being misogynistic, increased estrogen does have pronounced psychological effects) more readily abuse any power given to them by a man.

[–]grooveybaby 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They aren't evil. They have just evolved to have much more conniving ways. Historically women have not had physical strength or dominate power, so they have to be able to adjust their focus to whom ever in the tribe/group that held power. They do this without care for the well being of the previous partner. This is why they seek alpha's genetics.. ie sex. They want their offspring to obtain that power. They have been breed to not feel guilty about abandoning the previous partner when a new more dominant one comes on the scene.. this is basic law of the jungle. Don't hate them, just maintain your frame as an alpha and you'll be the guy stealing women, and not loosing them.

[–]truthyego 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're forgetting that women make these decisions on a subconscious level, and then rationalize it after the fact. In her subconscious, he deserves whatever pain and bad consequences come his way, because he deceived her by pretending to be strong and confident. It's how he rationalizes extracting one last favor from him before reneging on her own commitment.

Very likely she was already fucking another guy, or at least had a specific one in mind.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if she is trying to deflect feelings of guilt though? What if they do this because they want to feel morally justified in what they've done? What if they want to believe that your fall was your fault so it would have happened, with or without her? Then she, for the sake of maintaining her self-image/ego, would need to see you fall.

Or perhaps it really is sadistic. Maybe women like seeing their trail of destruction (miserable ex-boyfriends) because it reminds them of how much power they have. Conversely, seeing a man recover quickly implicitly suggests her powerlessness/lack of importance.

[–]saibot83 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of a female "friend" I had in my blue pill days. I was pining for her badly and while I did get to tap her eventually this was before that.

She was seeing a guy (a douche with a huge dick and a hot shot tv job) and was getting ready for a party one night. With barely concealed glee/joy she boasted about how jealous that guy's ex was going to be. They were gonna be at the same party and she could not wait to get there to see what drama would unfold. It shocked me and disgusted me deeply at the time.

I'd say they do have a definite streak of maliciousness in them to some degree. The same girl tore my heart out after I'd gotten into her pants. BP me naturally fell completely for her (she was my first anything) and the utter coldness she showed towards me when I caught full on oneitis was the most brutal thing I've ever experienced. Fucked me up for a looong time.

In hindsight it was good that I got that experience that early on (at 24) but man did it crush me completely at the time.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was just coming to this thought myself, in fact i bet they love that opportunity in their hind brain because they know at a time of weakness men want the support and will therefore supplicate and cement their contempt.

[–]OYeahThatWorks 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, never thought about it that way.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And it makes her feel important. Despicable.

[–]tb87670 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have tried doing this to me. My current go-to response for bitches trying to deal a miserable breakup is "Go ahead, there are 3 women younger than you I lined up to fuck this week". Of course I only pull that if she's trying to be mean about the breakup. I'm actually surprised how many women were decent and did a polite 'soft' let down and we part ways respectfully. Don't expect that decency though, I think it's a rare thing.

[–]Jigsus 20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My LTR left when my parent got cancer. She supported me verbally but formally ended our relationship. She went from fiancee to friend in a few weeks.

[–]MarlboroMan62 16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

good point about the birthday ... i have never had a wife or GF give me a decent birthday. i think i had one decent birthday through the years.

they always come home crying about .... whatever. you see, it is all about them and they will make sure of that on any special occasion.

if you want a decent birthday, you better plan it yourself ... i usually buy myself a new guitar or a gadget.

as a result, i have a huge cobb up my ass about birthdays. i stir it up at church when they recognize some folks birthday and not others, i let them know about it. recognize all or none.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

On the new guitar front...YES. The girl that I used to live with used to get me such fucking cheap (yet fairly thoughtful) gifts and I used to get her super-useful/kind of expensive stuff. One year I said "fuck it", and bought her a couple of cheap ass giftcards and come home from break with a reissue '58 Les Paul and a ton of vinyl records all for myself with that sweet bonus pay from work. Wish I still had her (the guitar). I've got a reissue '63 Firebird now and I'm buying a reissue '67 Flying V later this summer, after I move into the city. Fuck, I love being single :)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What was her reaction to the cheap gift? Theres a hilarious thread on here a while back called "Be a Skittles man" where the guy talks about only buying his women packs of skittles as gifts.

[–]KM31548 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell yeah. I never got my ex shit, even on valentines or Christmas. But she was all about planning a party, decorating for it and buying me a PS4 on my birthday. Needless to say, when she did get a small gift from me once, she cherished the fuck out of it. Still has it to this day.

[–]Kenny_Twenty 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is the kind of terrible mentality that dries vaginas. Fuck your birthday. It's nothing special. It's completely fabricated. You didn't earn your birthday. It represents no merit other than surviving another year.

And you have the nerve to feel emotional about that? Shame on you.

[–]nothere_ 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're saying one shouldnt celebrate their birthday as thats not masculine enough to lubricate a vagina.wtf dude I've got 364 days to be happy and a nigga shouldn't be selfish and indulgent enough for a day in order not to "upset" bitches.nah really man??

[–]Kenny_Twenty 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're saying one shouldnt celebrate their birthday

You just shouldn't care as much as you seem to.

thats not masculine enough to lubricate a vagina.

Being emotional about it is not masculine.

wtf dude I've got 364 days to be happy and a nigga shouldn't be selfish

Don't communicate like a child as you're doing here. And learn proper grammar. You should take pride in your mental capacity. And to do that you need to improve your mental capacity into something you CAN be proud of.

be selfish and indulgent enough for a day in order not to "upset" bitches.nah really man??

Be as indulgent as you want. Don't be emotional about it.

And the idea is that being emotional makes you unattractive to women. It has nothing to do with "upsetting bitches".

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Often men get dumped/cheated on during the worst/most challenging times in their lives simply because they're not holding up as well. Nothing turns a woman off more than seeing a man struggle. I'm still trying to fully wrap my head around why women never seem to take circumstances into account, but I think it's simply that they are so driven by emotion that any logic flies right out the door as soon as their natural instincts take over.

I see a lot of guys in the hospital who will talk semi-openly about knowing their wives are cheating on them while they're getting treatment for a debilitating disease. It's heartbreaking. Hypergamy is very real. Build your life and happiness on anything but a woman's love and support. Friendship, family, career, hobbies, anything but women.

[–]bluedrygrass 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

simply because they're not holding up as well.

But that's evidently false. It's absolutely normal to feel sad for the death of your parents, or for discovering to have cancer. It doesn't mean you're giving up, you're not fighting. Most men take those things very well actually. Only to find out that for some reasons their bitches have left in the meantime. You don't have to do anything wrong. It seems that it all comes down to bitches doing the most stupidest and selfish things in the most inappropiate moments. It gives quite some strong feelings. And feelings are good.

[–]waldo888 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it is because this is when she is less likely to be caught and killed. She is always looking for better men to fuck constantly. When your healthy and not distracted she has a fear or consequence. This is the extent of it.

[–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess that is what turns me off about women the most. They don't understand struggle because everyone just takes care of them. They don't know what we go through. They don't even appreciate it.

So be it, fleshlight.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 13 points14 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

You can maybe argue that she doesn't realize how much impact her leaving has,

No, you can't. The problem isn't lack of awareness, it's lack of giving a shit.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Wassup bro. Would you agree on my assessment that bitches are inherently sociopathic?

I do genuinely believe that all women are sociopaths deep down. Not that there's anything wrong with that because I'm fucked up too, the difference is I don't act like an innocent angel.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I believe most people have sociopathic tendencies. At the very least, we are all inherently obsessed with out own self-interest. Look at the behavior of alphas. An objective look at what alphas do to their women and the people around them clearly shows that they are every bit as "evil" or "immoral" as women. Alphas cheat, they leave their wives/families for secretaries and assistants, they fuck over the little guys in business, and generally use the backs of others as stairs to the top.

So why is it women who tend to exhibit these tendencies more? Opportunity. In the hierarchy of the social world, alphas trump women and women trump betas. So compared to your average male, women simply have far, far more opportunity to fuck over others in the name of self-interest, and alphas have more opportunity than anyone (the difference is that they create that opportunity themselves, unlike women).

As far as your comment about acting like an innocent angel goes, don't make it a point of resentment or even judgement. Women act like innocent angels because it is in their own self-interest. You can't blame a woman for acting innocent any more than you can blame an alpha for acting confident even in his weakest moments.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thats an interesting thought. I know im sociopathic, but im not a sociopath. I disagree on the morality of women tho. Sure, there are selfish evil men (myself included somewhat. I'm not as evil as I am fucked up and not very empathetic. Like a mix of amoral/immoral) But there are good men too, regardless of our primal nature. Women are all immoral/amoral deep down. Morals (integrity, honor, loyalty) are male constructs. Women do not innately have them. They don't have them at all, regardless of how much they parrot that they do.

I don't know how I feel about morality tbh. Its kind of subjective. In the game of social Darwinism, morality has no place. The strong survive, the weak die. That simple. However when it comes to tribe cohesiveness, morality is important. I think the reason men developed morality is because we needed it in tribal situations so we knew our bretheren had each others backs for the good of the group.

Fair enough. I just hate how deluded most men are about women.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Excellent post. Especially the last part. Even here in TRP the vast majority of males are still deluded about the nature of women, trying to argue "we're the same intelligence, only there is biggest variation" or "males are stronger, but females have better reflexes" and bullshits like that. It's still purple-pill reasoning trying to balance naturally unbalanced things.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. All this faggot purple pill "They're not inferior, just different " BS. Yes, they are different. And also inferior. We're literally better than them at almost everything. Their isn't a balance. Were the creative actionable sex, they're the passive average riskaverse reproductive sex. They exist for sex and babies. Bout it. That's why the gap is so hhuge.

[–]waldo888 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the problem isn't the natural tendancy to be sociopathic to people who have little to no emotional investment in our lives. You don'talk about a mugger the same as your cunt ex woman. a shit woman is a mugger who lives with you for a decade constantly builds trust and commitment and robs you blind when your not looking.

[–]foldpak111 -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't make me go get PC principal.

[–]yaysmr 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

We're talking about a lack of empathy here, if the woman is able to sever the connection quickly and cleanly, they might not even realize that the guy is going to be reeling for days/weeks.

Depends on how much awareness you want to credit them with.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

they might not even realize that the guy is going to be reeling for days/weeks.

They know. Women are super intelligent about emotional stuff.

I credit them with complete awareness of all their actions. The pretending-to-be-innocent thing wears thin pretty fast.

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I've come to the conclusion that they ask us be open with our emotions to learn when we are on the ropes so they know when to bail. They've never helped.

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Exactly. They're looking for ammo to manipulate you.

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This, exactly. They aren't amoral, they're immoral. They know what they do. They're little master decievers. Demons with the faces of angels. Kinda like Lucifer. I've had girls tell me the fucked up shit they do to their orbiters and betas. Women are literally the devil.

[–]TRPShill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dated a girl last year, and she was the most "innocent" girl I had ever dated. To my knowledge, she was a virgin. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. But the minute we started breaking up, she was suddenly a little smarter and a lot less dumb.

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Women have 0 empathy for men. None. Any that seem like they do geniunely, they're faking. Women are master manipulators, they care for no one but themselves.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are doing god's work--cleaning the gene pool of the weak. Women will speak fondly of how they dumped a loser once the appropriate safe distance has been travelled and their hamster tells them they can open up about it without looking the total bitch. It's a badge of honor.

Guys, seriously, women know. They know. Get them in the right place and they will admit to everything. They are far better at using words, tone and timing to craft their reality than we are. Stop confusing it with ignorance, stupidity or bimbo-osity.

The most angry rant I've ever seen about how women are misogynist cunts that should all be put in burkas (yup, actually said that) came from a woman--after her bull dyke FWB dumped her for another woman. She spewed more RP in ten minutes than most of you will in a lifetime. And then 10 milliseconds after the rant was done, she closed it all up and went back to accusing me of being the worst misogynist she ever knew.

Oh really, toots? Why are you still around me? Oh, right, Your Michelangelo of Hamsters has painted your perfect masterpiece...

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Women want alpha genes. Women have no loyalty.

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Holy shit that gif was hilarious! Im a MA native and had a lot of friends do their undergrad at the varioua umass schools. Any clue which one it was? Im guessing amherst since it's close to northampton / Smith college.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"common sense"......missing from the female mind, usually.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can maybe argue that she doesn't realize how much impact her leaving has

Oh but she does. And it's a plus. A sweet sweet power trip.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's rough but a lot of people lack empathy in general. One of my friend's sister's boyfriend dumped her the day after she told him her mother had been diagnosed with cancer. Sadly, some people just suck.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

False. There are no decent women, all women are psychopathic. Women fall for bad humans who see people as something to be used and thrown away too. Women love being used and abused.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Out of those 4: Im chubby but I dress nice , am cocky, and have good facial genetics so chicks still like me. And I'm young. Not broken hearted, never cared about a chick like that. And I don't have limited experience, I've talked to tons of girls. They're all the same from my experience. Sure tweak their personalities a bit here and there but the base nature is the same. And nah, girls pay attention to me. Not angry at women, just don't trust them or have any use for them besides sex. You guys do all this "NAWALT" garbage and drop your guard down, and when she fucks you over , "but-but I thought she was different!!!!"

And it's true. Women love being used and thrown away by alphas. Its like alpha widow heroine.

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Women are psychopaths. Their nature makes them so. They have to have the sociopathic ability to drop a mate whenever theyre no longer convienient/useful so that way they dont get attached to a man who happens to be a loser, dies, or is a failure. Loyalty wouldnt be efficient for their sexual strategy, so they never developed it. Women also hate male weakness. They are disgusted by it. They have no empathy. They can act like they do, and emulate it, but they dont deep down.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Found the classy gentlesir.

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I'm the classiest of the gentlesirs.

[–]G_Petronius 31 points31 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The most evil part about her lack of empathy is that she did not wait to dump him after his exam.

Kek, same thing happened to me. Was having a bit of a rift with girlfriend in college, she knew I had a big final coming up. Of course, when does she decide to bring it all up to have a big fight? the night before that final. The excuse? "she just couldn't wait any longer".

I was already reading TRP back then and was 50/50 expecting it. That she actually did it as predicted, a person that my BP self would never have expected to something like that, was one of the biggest confirmatory events that pushed towards taking TRP seriously.

[–]FiveLions 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Mine was the PCAT..and guess what? He was like a little brother to her.

That was 10 years ago . I'm in an ltr, but I will never marry her or anyone. I think she finally believes me. She'll probably be on the carousel soon and I'll be ready again with this one AWALT.

In case youre wondering, I run a small business. Had a 3.3 gpa in pre pharm. Nowhere near competitive enough to get in anyway.

[–]TRPShill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

He was like a little brother to her.

That was 10 years ago . I'm in an ltr, but I will never marry her or anyone. I think she finally believes me. She'll probably be on the carousel soon and I'll be ready again with this one AWALT.

This is convoluted and I dont understand some of what you're saying, but I'm interested. Could you elaborate what this says again?

[–]FiveLions 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure that's fine. It was a decade ago. She left me right before PCAT for her "little brother." I was beta then and never trusted my gut. I knew what was up. I have dated 7 ltr since, and I have yet to find another hamster like this one. It fucked me up something awful. I look back and just feel bad for the guy, because I didn't understand their nature and of course it's our fault they want another dick right?

It's a personal choice, but I will possibly l never Marry a woman. I've just worked too hard and paranoia in running a small business successfully has breached into my paranoia with women. I would say that my paranoia is the number one thing that keeps the workers (all women) I have underneath me still working. I'm sensing her thoughts drifting into the reality that I'm not marrying her.

The carousel is the cock carousel women go on after a break up. They fuck other men, to try and get over most recent ex. I'll mentally be ready for it if/when it happens.

[–]GaySwanson 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How I came here was an extremely similar scenario. Mine was less than a month ago. The girl kept saying she wanted to get married and what not, I thought the relationship was good, tells me she kissed another guy (we were in a distance LTR). I dumped her the next day. Learned from another past relationship about that. But it was a few weeks before my finals so what do you know.

I found TRP a few days afterward by complete accident from someone who linked it from some front page thread. I didn't expect anything like that from her. Neither did any of my friends. So I've been taking in a lot here and it's going well so far. Definitely AWALT.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Came in to say that. What a cunt, although it was probably subconscious. She just made sure he would fail so she wouldn't get some feelz later and come back to him. AWALT. I am discovering that women (every single one of them) are not empathetic at all. They talk about it, rant about wanting it, profess to needing it from their mates, but never will they empathize with you. They may say "aww, honey, I'm sorry you had axyz123" and snuggle up, but the "fuck this loser, I'm outta here" train is now in the station and ready for boarding. Gents...check yo'sef before you wreck yo'seff.

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You know someone is lying when they keep bringing something up or keep stating it, flinch or make obvious gestures that they are lying. When a person is lying you can tell they are lying by the way they say something or the way they gesture their bodies, rapid eye blinking, breathing. The same with women, they rant, profess love. They do this because they don't understand love, they just copy it. They think if they rant about it and act like it, people will believe it. It's not so much that they want others to believe they love, more so they want themselves to believe they are capable of it. Summer time sadness, baby you the best!

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WOMEN FEEL NO EMPATHY TOWARDS MEN. NONE. ZILCH. Men need to understand this and stop caring about women, women do not care about you. Fuck em, dump em, focus on your mission.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are sympathetic, not empathetic. Learn the difference.

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I remember this happened to a bunch of dudes in law school. Those are some pretty fucking important exams, and it's extremely stressful because it's marked on a curve. They told their non-law gals their stressors and bunch of them got dumped before the exams.

It's crazy what the survival rate of men going into law school with pre-existing non-law girlfriends, at least where I went. Without exaggerating id say it's around 10%

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Professional school doesn't bode well for pre-existing relationships. The girls realize that they will be making more money than their current bfs and run off to find a guy on her level (often not realizing that her better career status doesn't really mean shit to most guys, and then complaining that guys are "intimidated" by her). The guys realize they've got girls barking up their tree and generally do one of three things. If they're attractive they dump their ex and start plating women left and right. If they're unattractive/beta they recognize that those girls are only looking for a free ride and don't change course. If they're stupid they marry a gold digger and move to Florida/California to enter a particularly lucrative private practice situations or open the law firm that sues those guys.

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That's definitely true to an extent but the beta males in law school weren't thinking that way, and that's the point I was getting at. The beta dudes thought, mistakenly, that showing vulnerability due to the stress levels was acceptable and ended up getting cucked by Chad and/or dumped.

There were some dudes, me included, who realized that this was a ticket to golden pussy and capitalized. It's like that Seinfeld episode when Elaine gets dumped by a mes student once he passes his exams because that's the dream of becoming a doctor.

However, I would say the vast majority of men in my year were dumped by their girlfriends due to them opening up about stress.

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The whores that dump their guys when they are in combat zones are the worst.

[–]RpStinger2714 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

This literally happened to all of my buddies. Nothing is worse than fearing death every second of everyday and being thrown to the side by a woman. Thank god I didn't have to deal with that. My only focus was seeing my family again who actually gave a fucking shit if I lived.

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Anyone who doesn't believe the shit we say here should take a survey of what happens to nearly all men who get deployed in relationships. When I was younger (college) I used to feel a bit of envy for the military guys I knew because women would fawn over the "men in uniform." After seeing the way they treat these men the moment times get tough, I realized that the actual sacrifice means nothing to women.

[–]Jester2552 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They enjoy the uniform because it makes THEM look good to their friends. Nothing else

[–]Jester2552 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Deployed twice now and each time at least 4 or 5 guys get cheated on. It's unbelievable

[–]waldo888 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

4 or 5 guys find out they got cheated on*

[–]Heathcliff-- 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This is the bit that got me. Anyone who's not a sociopath would have waited one day at least.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

We all know that women are sociopaths though. Female nature is fuccccckeddd.

[–]1AmlanceJockey 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Their nature is astonishing. The reason they are loud during sex is to offer competing males an opportunity to interrupt the act. If the first male isnt strong enough to fight off interlopers, she avoids getting his weak dna. One last shit test. Another one, our penises are shaped to scoop out other men's semen during sex. Think about that. Women have sex with so many different men around the same time so often that it became beneficial to evolve a cum scoop on our dick.

Its little tidbits like these that really helped me leave the anger phase. They are not being evil. Its just how they are.

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Yup. They are literally made for gangbangs. 1000s of years ago, men's would go around pinning women down and dominating/raping them. We would each take our turn fucking them, and whoever had the biggest longest dick and the strongest sperm scooped out the one before thems sperm with their dickhead and fucked them. Whoever fucks her the deepest and gets his sperm to enter her eggs is the one who got to reproduce. Women are made for gangbangs, monogamy is a joke. Women are not made to be loyal. they aren't biologically capable of it and loyalty isn't a good strategy for them in the long term in case their partner is killed or is a failure.

[–]TheReasoner94 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Monogamy is a joke for men too. I hope you realise that.

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Oh of course. The difference is, there are men who have the self control to not go fuck strange pussy and stay faithful to their wives even though their balls long for fresh young tight pussy.

Women never excercise loyalty and self control when it comes to their pussies craving for alpha cock. Men are polygamous, but can be monogamous. Women are hypergamous, but pretend to be monogamous.

[–]TheReasoner94 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said, I fully agree with that.

[–]waldo888 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Monogamy was a choice designed to bring human beings into a chosen level of civility. We had the choice to behave in this manner we are now choosing to go back to primal instincts. Can civilization survive is the real question.

[–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My LTR dropped a bomb on me just before I embarked on a job search. The hiring cycle just began a while ago and I need to be on top of my game to land a new job at a significant pay increase.

It became apparent that I could not rely on her for encouragement and stability while I am going through this transition I took the initiative: we got together for a weekend, had a great time, fucked each other's brains out, and then I dumped her on Monday.

It remains to be seen if she will get her head unfuct by September, but if there is anything between us at that point it will be on my terms and with her on a fucking short leash.

My girl isn't (particularly) evil, but she is fuct up and manipulative; and that has to end or we end.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it was actually deliberate. She wanted to devastate him and did it deliberately to fuel her yougogirl feelings of power.

The bro needs to read Rollo on women in love and understand it this time.

[–]grooveybaby 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This in my book is standard for Women. There have been situations where by they dump you and the most inconvenient momments..

right before a job interview after you have struggled to find work..

right before that big performance in which record label talent scouts are watching to see if they will sign you to their label.

basically anything that could be done to enhance the devastation of their turning.. will be done. I'd go so far as to say if you hit a shit load of bad luck.. dump her ass right there and then, go get your shit back together and then if you want hit her back up.. she will most likely respond way better and you have a much better chance of continuing like nothing happened.

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I call bullshit. It's an excuse, and a bad one. If you know the subject well enough, nothing in the world can make you fail an exam or perform bad.

If you do 100 pushups every day, and then you go to some special forces tryout (or whatever), and your gf just broke up with you, what are you gonna do? 10 pushups and start crying how you can't do any more? Give me a break.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

She has empathy - just not for him.

Abandon the false hope of ever experiencing love like the love your mother gave you. You only received it because because you were her child. Women only express empathy for their own children.

Now you are a man. The love accorded to you is respect. But respect is not owed, it is inspired.

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[–]neoj8888 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, that last sentence is so true.

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My ex stored half her belongings at my apartment while she "traveled" throughout Europe, and then had me help her move 8 hours away. At this point, I've seen plenty of fucked up shit from women, but the worst part about it all is the complete lack of empathy.

Here's the thing though. It's not exclusive to women. We say AWALT in instances like this, but the truth is, this is just the power of abundance mentality. The OkCupid OP's girlfriend knew she wouldn't go a single day without emotional support and physical pleasure. As soon as he left it was out of sight, out of mind. Personally, I found TRP while dating the girl I described above. By the time it came to light that she was cheating I had made so many personal improvements that I knew that new pussy was literally right out the door. I didn't even have to think about kicking her out and making her get a hotel for the night, and I had my first official plate a few days later. That's not exactly analogous, since my ex deserved everything she got, but I didn't even flinch when she started crying, while years ago I would've been broken up about it, maybe even considered forgiving her. Since then I've left a decent number of women brokenhearted, but it's human nature to care about yourself. It's hard to feel bad about the girl crying in her apartment when you've got a new one naked in your bed. It's just human nature, and that's the reality of any desirable woman's life, so any desirable woman will forget about you very quickly.

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Do you have any empathy for hoes?

Ask yourself? The women we pump and dump do you give a shit if she has a ride home? Fuck no. I'm done with you, get out.

You're disgusted by any woman who will let you fuck her in the ass after knowing her for 2 hours.

This is how women feel about betas.

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I love women who would let me fuck them in the ass after two hours. Sluts > Good Girls.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

that's fine

but phrase your responses and topics as such.

we have a lot of new members who think you mean all girls.

And i swear to god if you respond with "all girls are sluts" i'll realize I'm being trolled and accept my loss.

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I do mean all girls. I don't believe in the whole "decent, low notch count, traditional, caring moral unicorn" woman. There are just sluts who are obvious about it, and sluts who hide it more. Good girls are just sluts that haven't fallen yet.

This is all just the way I see things though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

the way you see it is bad and harmful for men

[–]hectortamerofwhores 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some might say you've just described the nature of reality.

[–]TRPShill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

... I would love to be convinced otherwise. But good luck.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She also got in a relationship a week later with a guy she was fucking while they were together according to OP

[–]The_Red_Paw 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't over estimate her ability to empathize. Once a woman decides to leave a guy she builds a stronger and stronger case in her mind why he was the worlds shittiest subhuman mongrel, and will become genuinely vindictive.

[–]Genetiks27 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed, and as can be seen this is in no way an isolated example of the female lack of empathy.

My one was an ex (the one that made me finally swallow the pill after much resistance) who broke up with me just before christmas and in the midst of a semi nervous breakdown. After many months of bottling up my various problems and never discussing it with her, I made the mistake of thinking that a woman actually cares about how you feel and reached out to her (in my blue-pilled mindset) for comfort and support. I remember it very clearly, her literal recoil as I poured my heart out to her and went in for a hug.

All the movies that id watched, all the books that i had read, all the news articles, opinion pieces, blogs and forums had all led me to believe that long term partners were meant to be there for eachother during the bad times as well as the good. Of course they do, the love you right? Isn't that what you do for the people you love? Show compassion, lend support? So did she stick it out and help me through the toughest time in my life? No, she was disgusted with me and within two days had dumped me.

I ended up in A&E after a massive panic attack a couple of days later, and had several waves of them right over the christmas period and into the new year. Took me several months to get well again, with the main bulk of the help coming from what I learned from TRP, allowing me to become a well-adjusted man for the first time in my life. For a long time I felt anger towards her, but TRP made me realize that it is simply female nature and you may as well be angry at a dog for shitting on the rug. I only hold resentment for the blue pill culture which put me in that precarious position to begin with.

[–]Trumpipede2016 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your typical western woman is really only good for one thing. Anything that requires thinking, not being a bitch, etc is impossible for her.

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[–]NewestHouse 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

let the man have his anger phase....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's even more unbelievable he did that for her. At best i'd throw her shit on the lawn

[–]UyhAEqbnp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

what pisses me off is the fact that he didn't leave the moment she dumped him

[–]Makonar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, got him to give her one last free meal before she dumped him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet people say I'm wrong to say women are sociopaths.

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You guys are morons if you think women are so fickle that one week of clingy is all it takes to torpedo a relationship. Clearly this guy must have showed a pattern of weakness and clingyness.

While I agree with the premise that you must not confide in your woman for the majority of your own issues, to paint them so ready to boot you at the first sign of a chink in your masculine armor is just trp porn and part of the reason trp gets such a bad rap.

[–]redpill_man 64 points65 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This is one of those things you really only need to experience once, you learn your lesson and never forget it. Even some of the most BP people I know IRL know that you don't open yourself up to women.

[–]yaysmr 38 points39 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Took me three times. I was good at rationalizing.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 51 points52 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Rationalizing...the male hamstering.

[–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You could always point to other reasons (valid or not).

For example, being boring (or playing video games and watching netflix too much while she jumps on the cock of a rock climber or that guy with a motorcycle).

Let's be honest and say, if you're a normal young dude without too much going for him in terms of excitement - crying about something is going to make you look way too much like a teenager. Videogames and netflix don't really make for a 'dream' guy. Add some emotions - and most young girls will bail especially if they had a taste of bad-boy cock that's a decade (or more) older that already learned to channel their emotions into anger (basically the only thing a lot of women seem to respond to positively when young).

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely. I was only pointing out that we men use "rationalization" to explain why women do the shit they do. The female kind, "hamstering" is the same thing only with the feelz as the barometer. "I don't like it when he says xyz so I went and banged his friend. I wouldn't've done it if he didn't make me feel like that" vs men..."well, she went and banged Chad because I wasn't around enough and never took her out."

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The male mind makes women appear in a good light because our primal instincts wants to make them appear good so well mate. Which is why dudes in love will rationalize away anything their skut girlfriend does. Their instincts are telling them to mate ASAP.

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Rationalizing is perfectly fine. You find arguments and evidence to make your case, and then you form a conclusion.

Backwards rationalizing is the problem, and it's exactly what the hamster refers to. Picking a conclusion you like, and finding reason and evidence later to support the conclusion you chose.

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Even some of the most BP people I know IRL know that you don't open yourself up to women.

It's always this way. They feel "their" girl is different and they're immune to the nightmare stories till they become a victim.

[–]m1lh0us3 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly that's not really the case. You'll have to experience this yourself :/

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My dad has been married for almost 40 years now.. I used to wonder how he's made it so far.. Mom calls him grumpy and unemotional.

There it is!!!!

[–]AnAbsoluteSith 22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You just put my parent's marriage into perspective for me. For the 24 years I've known my dad, he always keeps everyone guessing.

Nobody (including mom) knows the full extent of any of his plans, finances, issues etc. I should be taking notes.

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[–]Casanova-Quinn 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

women related

My grandfather would usually flirt/tease with women where ever he went. He had 40+ year marriage that was solid, but that didn't stop him. He didn't cheat, that was just his way of "keeping the knife sharp". Textbook alpha behavior. It all makes so much sense post TRP discovery.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 95 points96 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Don't ever show weakness. Women can't un-see that shit.

[–]yaysmr 47 points48 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They can, but it requires an even GREATER showing of strength, as well as some time between the initial display of weakness to blunt the memory.

I should also add the women will sometimes interpret the weirdest things as 'weakness.'

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No shit.. Never showed weakness my whole life.. Dentist put me on some pretty rough antibiotics, apparently can cause depression, anxiety, and mood swings (who knew)..I has total control of a five year relationship, lost my mind and became whiny for a week. Never heard from her again

[–]crisprcas9 33 points34 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Or go MGTOW. I don't give a fuck to what they think of me anymore.

[–]reigorius 24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Weird to hear me say this, but after countless dates, girls, plates and failed LTR's, I've reached a point where it seems I don't expect anything substantial from them anymore.

If I need support, I go to my friends. Male friends.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They have nothing substantial to offer besides sex or babies. That is all.

[–]GoldenCocaine 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This probably sounds a little gay, but I've intentionally friend zoned a couple women who I'd consider myself close with. I don't have feelings for them in that way, and they probably don't for me either. I like to keep it like this, and a lot of the time I end up fucking their friends. But I can go talk to them about something if need be, it's nice since I don't give a fuck if they're attracted to me or not. We're friends.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

guys dont friend-zone women. we fuck-zone them. we've decided in the first 10 seconds whether we'd fuck them, and then over the course of the rest of the time we spend with them, decide how much more time that will be.

if you're not fuck-zoning women, you're in their frame.

[–]GoldenCocaine 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To each his own I guess. Having female friends has had serious benefits for me. Besides fucking their friends, going out to bars with girls I'm friends with makes it 10x easier to get girls when I'm out. Adds some serious dread since I'm already with women

[–]Five_Decades 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Word. Having to emotionally manage a selfish child and calling that a relationship is not my idea of a good time.

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[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 51 points52 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

First link? Maybe there will be some tits.

Clicks link. Nope, no tits.

Second link? Definitely gonna be some boobage.

Clicks link. No tits...

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do not ever fucking tell a girl about depression lmao. Confident alpha men are not depressed.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men that stop putting up with bullshit from women stop being depressed.

[–]yaysmr 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

1/3 chance you will hear from her again.

It'll be out of the blue, and she'll act like nothing happened or changed.

Up to you how you would deal with that.

[–]throwaway-aa2 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ. This happened the other day?!

Edit: in general, you don't want to say this to ANYONE, let alone a female. I wouldn't be caught dead saying anything like this to my mother / sister, any female friend, and definitely not a female interest. Furthermore I generally wouldn't send a text like this to any man for any reason. If I absolutely needed to I'd probably come to the internet (think about it... if you're just going to text, why not just come to an internet forum). But in general I've learned that a lot of these things I have to just deal with myself, and they make me a much, MUCH better man for dealing with it by myself.

[–]HardDeterminist1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The coldest players learned from their mistakes. Keep learning. And up your standards. Chin up, she looks like a pig.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, true, haha. She wasn't the best looking but her boobs were double Fs and she was an easy catch. I'm objectively pretty good looking, but due to social isolation, I don't have any other options than Tinder.

[–][deleted] 83 points84 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Thats not the womans role in a mans life.

You're going to often be angry and disappointed when you judge a fish by it's ability to ride a bicycle

[–]jiveraffe64 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Thats not the womans role in a mans life.

Sadly, that is not the message that is drilled into young heads their entire lives. Women are equals, women are caring, women are sympathetic, women are wonderful, etc. etc.

You can't fault anybody for being upset when they've been told their entire lives by society, family, Hollywood, culture, Disney, that fish are great cyclists.

[–]cpnurrenberg 24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

that fish are great cyclists.

Love this metaphor. It is true though. And another interesting consideration is that most women (and men) will shame a guy for being upset that women aren't perfect. "Just treat them/us like people!" But then holding them to the same standards as men is 'sexist.'

It all starts to make sense when you realize most people talk out their ass, and it's your job to do your thing regardless of what other people say.

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[–]cpnurrenberg 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Always glad to be of assistance.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed, and this is why the red pill exists - to dispel all the harmful bullshit society teaches you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fault, no. Dwell on it and not correct?

No

[–]jiveraffe2 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Fault, no. Dwell on it and not correct?

Why would you correct a belief you've been told your entire life is correct? That everybody is still telling you is true. If anything this fish is the exception that proves the rule. Everybody does this.

It's just usually the consequences for holding a faulty belief rarely hold the potential for ruination.

I'm sure you have some faulty beliefs that you've never corrected despite evidence to the contrary.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys are here, it happens all the time.

[–]ChimpWithAGun19 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Thats not the womans role in a mans life.

Interesting question for everyone here: if a man does not want to get married or have kids, how can a woman's role be defined in a man's life?

[–]_the_shape_ 27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Interesting question for everyone here: if a man does not want to get married or have kids, how can a woman's role be defined in a man's life?

His plaything, one source of entertainment away from his work, his mission; a respite.

[–]jiveraffe8 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

His plaything, one source of entertainment away from his work, his mission; a respite.

As I head into my mid-30s I'm finding even this isn't worth the return. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze. I can knock out a mediocre (5?) orgasm with my left in five minutes and get on with the rest of my day. How many hoops and hours must I invest to attain an above-average (7?) orgasm w/ condom with some random average broad?

What is an orgasm with? 10minutes per 1/10?

[–]_the_shape_ 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm definitely with you there.

I'm also nearing my mid 30s, and these days it's basically low hanging fruit throwing themselves at me or nothing at all. Deciding against marriage and kids cleared things up very quickly for me too.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are best suited for a role of support.

But like any subordinate, they must be instructed on how to best serve you.

The biggest mistake that men commonly make is in assuming that women will behave like men - that they will feel driven by duty or a sense of fairness - and take initiative in figuring out how to best support a him. This will never happen. Women lack the demeanour to accept responsibility for their decisions, the empathy to the understand another person's needs, and the initiative to do anything without constant oversight.

Women can be useful to you, but only if you regard them as the servile tools that they are.

[–]reigorius 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sex, female energy, convenience, the dishes, a warm meal. Cleaning.

[–]grewapair 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most won't clean or cook. So we're down to sex.

Honestly, is it really worth having a partner you can't ever talk to? Jesus, get a picture of a woman and put it on your refrigerator. You'll get half the benefit with none of the costs.

[–]crisprcas9 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They serve just for sex maybe.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex. That is all they have to offer.

[–]reigorius 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The point is, if you view men and women as equal, as humans, then you are bound to think you can open yourself up to your girl like you do to your buddies. You know, because she is human, right? She'll listen and understand.

Which oddly enough she will. But it will partially (or completely) erode the image she built of you in her mind. An image that is far from reality. But she doesn't realise that, she only feels the emotions that is generated in her own mind using that image. Destroying or tainting that image, destroys the influx of bounding emotions.

I think. U/jiveraffe says it better.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's right in the sidebar

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

-- U2

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gloria Steinheim, actually. And let's see women fix the fucking sewers, before cholera kills them. Won't happen; they will be arguing over who does it, and pissed that no men are stepping up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ever since the creation of the welfare estate, that is.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Antrifragility.

Rely on yourself and nobody else.

Hard times? Tougher you become.

Positive side effect: no risk of shit being used against you.

[–]LetsGoAllTheWhey 25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I don't share my personal problems with anybody. Nobody really cares anyway. They might act like they do but they really don't.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody really cares anyway.

Exactly.

Unless you offer your shoulder when they need to rely on you.

Some men actually exploit this asking their friend's shoulder for faked problems so they can induce their friends to rely on them with real ones and used them in case it will be necessary. Jungle out there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do that with secrets. I tell my friends some made up embarrassing secret, and when I see the rumor flying back my way I know who I can't trust to confide in.

The real secrets however, I never reveal, that's why they are secret.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do, with my older brother. He's the only person I know that genuinely understands me.

[–]reigorius 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I need to stump that lesson into my skull.

[–]_the_shape_ 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hard times? Tougher you become.

Yes.

Stop looking for a pillow to lay your head on. Become iron - top to bottom, inside-out - instead.

[–]Il12834 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any idea how many solid good guys got divorced after 10, 15, or even 20 years because they got sick with cancer or got laid off or just became to beta and helped around the house to much?

LTR and even worse marriage is a terrible investment of your time.

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I agree. Which is why I don't fucking understand redpill men with LTRs. What's the point? Ltring is investment. Women hate investment. Even if you're an alpha, investing lowers your value in a woman's eyes.

The ideal life plan Is to plate, pump and dump forever. They won't respect you if you do anything else. Ltrs are retarded.

[–]Throw-awy29 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

On the base, we were sitting around talking to the female SAPR: Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Coordinator. She was telling us about a male that was raped in the barracks. He went to her and started crying when he told his story. She was telling us how she couldn't help it she knew it was wrong to feel the way she did, but she felt disgust at seeing him cry. She didn't understand why she kept telling us that she felt this wrongness as she put it at seeing a guy cry.

So we have a school trained SAPR that is suppose to deal with situations like this and still, she couldn't help feeling disgust at a man who had a legitimate reason to cry.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women shouldn't be therapists either. So much for the whole "women are nurturing and feminine energy is comforting" spiel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are sympathetic, not empathetic.

[–]imbweeeeding 102 points103 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I used to think that I just had a knack for choosing unempathetic women. Now I realize that they are all like that. The best lesson that I have learned from TRP is that women can NOT love you the way you would like them to love you. That's a hard pill to swallow.

[–]yaysmr 43 points44 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I used to think that I just had a knack for choosing unempathetic women.

HAH! Sums up my early dating life.

"Man, I just happen to keep picking women without souls. I need to keep looking because I know the princess for me is out there! My mom is an example so I know they exist!"

My mom divorcing my dad (after cheating on him and then, in the wake of the divorce, bouncing around on several different cocks) and the revelation that SHE wasn't a princess... well that managed to shake me out of the delusion. Almost.

But then you realize it makes the most obvious, logical sense. A woman who loved the way a man does would hitch their future to one mate, and stick with them through all trial and travails. Then if he crashes and burns, she gets dragged down with him, since there's no way she can salvage the situation. Not really ideal.

Better for them to have an out (or, ideally, several outs) waiting so she doesn't have to go down with the ship. Which of course means they must be able to sever the emotional connection at a moment's notice so she cannot truly 'love' someone. Then its just a matter of calibrating the sensitivity of their 'weakness detector.' Some women will stick with a man through rough times... but only if she truly believes he has the strength to recover. Every woman has a threshold after which she will bail out (UNLESS she has no other real options, meaning she is ugly and used up), some set this threshold high enough that they seem like they're loyal lovers.

Most women are a hair-trigger when it comes to that, because they've got so many other options, why ever stick around with a guy who shows even a moment's weakness? And of course this presents the irony:

Just when a man is most in need of emotional support and companionship, his most 'faithful,' loved companion flat-out abandons him.

TL;DR: get a dog instead. As long as you can feed him they'll stick around through thick and thin.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

. A woman who loved the way a man does would hitch their future to one mate, and stick with them through all trial and travails. Then if he crashes and burns, she gets dragged down with him, since there's no way she can salvage the situation. Not really ideal.

Makes sense by this rationale for men to cut and run too. But we're hampered by loyalty and reason and fairness. We need to lose these because they are disadvantaging us in the SMP.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree completely. Women deserve no morals from men. Women have no morals, that's why they love amoral/immoral dark triad men. They identify more with them, and they see them as stronger, and they know that they'll drop them in a heartbeat which gives them tingles because it means they have options and preselection turns a woman on. Women want a man who other women want. Do not be nice to women, do not care for them, do not love them. Use em, abuse em, then lose em. They'll always come back for more. The pain makes them feel alive, they love the thrill. Women are gluttons for punishment, they're all sadomasochists deep down. No woman but your mother deserves any love or loyalty from you, and even then that's only if your mom has been good to you.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If women were men, they'd be psychopaths. They have empathy only when it is convenient. It's like a switch they can flick on or off at will.

[–]saibot83 25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It still amazes me how truly cold women can be. Like you never even existed and everything good, all the nice moments you had together never happened.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They shift + delete you from their lives only after they catch another branch, though.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All women are psychopaths. They don't love you, they never will.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

except most (or even all of them) have no control over the switch.

[–]Five_Decades 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The best lesson that I have learned from TRP is that women can NOT love you the way you would like them to love you. That's a hard pill to swallow.

Women's sexual strategy requires them to find a guy who will provide for them and protect them as well as the offspring for years and years. It is just deductive logic when you understand that why women bail when a guy loses his job, gets sick or injured, becomes emotionally damaged, etc. A guy like that can't provide and protect the way he used to. Men are utilities to women, we are like cars that are carrying women and children on a cross country drive across hostile territory hoping to get them to their end goal (the end goal is all the children grow up, survive childhood and become sexually mature). When the car starts to spring an oil leak, when the tires go bald, etc. and if the car is beyond repair you abandon it and get another one.

I think because of evolution, because life was so tenuous in the past, women have evolved to cut their losses in a cold and unemotional way. In pre-historic times an alpha male today could be dead or injured tomorrow. He could die from another tribe killing him, he could be overthrown by another male in the tribe, he could be attacked by predators, he could have an accident, he could catch a disease, he could get an illness, etc. The women who stuck with the alpha males who started to falter were at a disadvantage over the ones who cut their losses and abandoned the guy. So evolution would (in my view) select for women willing to coldly cut a man out of their life when he no longer serves their sexual strategy. Hence the fact that women can turn cold and distant in ways that men cannot really comprehend, because we do not do the same thing. At the same time, I think women have a hard time understanding how a guy can be caring and compassionate until he fucks you, then he is as cold as a stranger. We have both evolved to turn selfish when our strategies are not being met, we just do it differently.

[–]AutisticusMaximus 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

women can turn cold and distant in ways that men cannot really comprehend, because we do not do the same thing

That is what I like to call "our evolutionary pair bonding failsafe", we can physically go around, fuck as many women as we can, never caring about the offspring. But since we have the "failsafe" of psychologically bonding with a female, we may not leave her and the children, even if she becomes sick, a burden, has nothing to offer anymore, etc.

Women on the other hand can also fuck whomever they want, however, unlike men, they have the "physical failsafe", if they fuck someone, they start carrying their child and stick around for support, they lack the psychological bonding failsafe, because they simply didn't need it next to the physical effect of getting pregnant after sex.

The advent of the birth control pill has negated the effect of the "physical failsafe" pair bonding in women, combine that with the fact they never really had the "psychological bonding" one, and many things about their behaviour becomes clearer.

[–]Five_Decades 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Somewhere in the manosphere there was an article about divorce using charts and research to back it up. The stereotype of divorce is that men leave their wives for younger models. But that was shown not to be the case. Most divorces are initiated by women, and the divorces occur because the women are still young enough to think they can get someone/something better.

It was basically red pill validation. Women were trying to branch swing when they were still fertile and felt they could get someone better, and when that window closed due to their advancing age they were less likely to initiate divorce.

Point being, men generally didn't abandon their wives when the men knew they had better options. However women were more likely to abandon their husbands when the women felt they had better options. It fits with what you are saying.

[–]privatejohngarrett 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

NAWALT. My wife is not like that, nor is she like these women. Now, I am no beta bitch by any stretch, but I do open up with my wife from time to time to let her know if I'm stressed. Usually I have a handle on things and I've always come through when my back has been against the wall financially, but she supports me when I open up to her too. It's been like that throughout my 17 year marriage, right from the very beginning. These guys were just involved with the wrong women.

[–]tekn0_ 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

How often do you have sex with your wife? Is she the one still controlling that? The only way a woman will stick with you that long is only if you are alpha enough. If she begins to see a flaw, over time, that you aren't willing to fix yourself, then I am pretty sure she must have thought of leaving you in the future. Besides, your wife is just one woman. The whole point of the sub reddit is that there are more women that are not like your wife out there, and are being encountered by people. So you cannot simplify it and blame it on the choice of the woman alone. It really is an endemic issue.

[–]privatejohngarrett 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I was simply replying to the comment that recited one of the mantras of this sub, which is that AWALT. We have sex as often as I want to. Very rarely do I get denied, and only when she's legitimately not feeling well. We have sex about 3-4 times/week but we're constantly physical throughout the day with each other and I get random blowjobs regularly. I still think selection is part of it. All women may be turned off by a guy expressing neediness or vulnerability, but not all women are bitches who will act like the ones OP mentioned.

[–]tekn0_ 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

There have been many posts in the sub about AWALT, and why its a good rule to stick with. It is similar to the analogy of "the gun is always loaded". It helps when you are dealing with women on a daily basis for sure. However if you have a gun you invested in, with a safety built in it, and something that came out of a good factory, a good company, then you can use the gun safely without the assumption. That is the right way to use AWALT.

You are alpha enough in your relationship which is why she is still sticking with you. Otherwise she wouldn't be willing to have sex with you, forget even getting bjs. Should shitstorm hit you in the long run, unless she has a strong sense of morality, thanks to her proper upbringing, only then will she think of staying with you together. That is still missing in majority of women in these days. So you are fortunate in that regard.

There are many who still live in the illusion that women are unicorns who can do no wrong. AWALT is like a shock to their system that wakes them up to the reality of the world for fucked up people to be fucked up people.

[–]privatejohngarrett 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with almost all of that. I'm not saying that my wife isn't capable of leaving me should I start to exhibit trends that are unattractive/beta. I'm just saying that her threshold is higher than these girls who left at the drop of a hat. It likely has a lot to do with age too. But yeah, everything you said I pretty much agree with. I'm not one of those delusional guys.

[–]tekn0_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you don't mind me asking, how would you describe your wife? Like what's her background, and why do you think she has such a higher threshold? I am thinking that she was raised in a good family and had good father figures and is also well educated.

[–]rhuffq 24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't have a bad horror story like a lot of people here. But here's my experience.

I was definitely swimming in blue pill back years ago. Back in my mid-twenties there was this girl who was at least an 8 that I asked out several times. Around the time I turned 30 and her 26 she decided to go out with me. Fast forward 8 months and we're engaged after being pressured by her. She wanted to be a stay at home mom, sell my house and move to a pricier neighborhood, even buy a boat, have weekly date nights, etc. My job was solid and well paying, but I was having money problems just keeping her "needs" met. I started pulling back and telling her no on things and one day out of the blue after some comments I made about finances she asks me if I will have trouble sharing my money once we're married. I decide to be honest and open up about my feelings and said "yeah it will be difficult for me". I was thinking that it would open up some good dialog between us and a chance to work some things out regarding money. Nope. Next day she tells me that if I don't change then she's leaving, at which point I had enough as it was and said "Ok, see ya". Engagement over. I looked at my budget with her gone and felt like I had actually won a lottery that paid an annuity. Best freaking day of my life.

I realized two things about our relationship.

1.) She didn't care about me for me. She cared about me so long as I was a functioning cog in the machine of her dream lifestyle. Cogs aren't supposed to have feelings or fears. They just do their job.

2.) By marrying me she felt like she was doing me a favor and in return I should be grateful to be a card carry beta ATM for her.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women like that are just toxic. Go to the south pacific and find a nice girl who actually likes men. Fijian women are great.

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[–]One_friendship_plz 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fine, she's getting old & boring anyway by that point. Time to replace her. She's the one who's fucked. Always realize they're the ones that end up losing by dicking around at older ages.

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It really depends on the woman too though - and your network of friends. If you have friends , or she has friends who get divorced, then yes, can be a problem. They're some of the friendliest women I've ever met.

[–]iwakebord2 38 points39 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Mine was tough. Together 6 years. Had a kid and got her pregnant like a dipshit kid at 22 that trusted her with birth control. At 5 years in I asked her to marry me. It was at this moment that she got what she wanted and I became broke paying for the 10k ring she wanted and posting half the bill for the wedding that she started boning some loser friend from high school that just got out of prison for boning a 17 year old when he was 23 and the parents pressed charges. I was the parent the one working and she was a dumb messy slob bitch that worked a bartending job as an excuse to party all night. She brought the guy she was boning to the wedding best and worst day of my life. I found out she was cheating on me when she pocket dialed me by mistake. Told her to never come home. Biggest mistake was letting her 3 weeks later. She played me for months while she built up a big enough nest egg 6 months later got divorce papers. Lucky I didn't get alimony but her being the cunt that she was she was allowed to move away with my daughter after I spent 20k in court and she was the fuckup. God bless liberal Washington state. Because I was the one who made all the money and she was a flight risk if she didn't get what she wanted they gave her child support and made me pay for 80% of everything, medical care and plane tickets for my daughter. Raped. Happier now than I have ever been since I never have to see her when I get my daughter and now I am free to live my RP life 4 years later life is great

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[–]iwakebord2 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything is great now. Started my own business. Found out I had a passion for music and just got signed to a recording contract, we'll see if that leads to a tour. Not tied to a woman, have more free time to improve myself and follow my passions than ever before. Now girls hit me up for sex, we kick it that night then I don't have to deal with them later, all of them know to leave first thing in the morning if they spend the night.

[–]reigorius 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So your daughter lives with you?

[–]iwakebord2 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No she lives in another state I get her for summers

[–]gonorealover 46 points47 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

There are men in this sub who will read stuff like this and they STILL consider getting married to these creatures .

[–]LuvBeer 57 points58 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

But my girl is different....

[–]crisprcas9 15 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

No, but she really is...

(just kidding)

[–]vagbutters 16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But she really is different! She sucks a cock better than any other girl can!

[–]1PrinceofSpades 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Just because she was your best blowjob thus far doesn't mean there isn't a better blowjob on the horizon. Find yourself a stripper with a little lip bling like I did, and I guarantee you'll finally desensitize yourself from any average girl's oral game. It's so cute watching them try so hard to give me pleasure, completely oblivious to that time that stripper I took out for food truck and fuck had me screaming out to deities I don't even believe in like a girl getting fucked.

Best hour of my life... Doesn't mean she was worth marrying.

[–]vagbutters 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was just being sarcastic haha

[–]1PrinceofSpades 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know, but it felt like an appropriate place to interject with some truth for those who've ever had that thought seriously before.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Getting your balls sucked > Head.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wish I enjoyed that, but between soccer, football, rugby, and one too many friends finding it funny to sack tap me, I've come to learn I've got some tender tubes around my balls. Went in thinking it might even be cancer before because of the random flare ups of pain. At this point I'm just thankful I can still produce swimmers. Gotta freeze em up before the vasectomy after all. Every year I get older I'm meeting more women trying to trick me into knocking them up. It's underhanded as fuck.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That sucks, its my favorite thing ever. Honestly, sometimes I rather just get my balls sucked instead of fucking. Then again, I have big sensitive fuckers so getting them sucked is nice and all, but if I walk to fast or don't spread my legs very wide or wear tight pants, it fucking kills me. I literally cannot sit down without "man spreading" or my balls will kill me. Sometimes when I run my balls rub together and it killllllsssss me. And that sucks. Bitches always tryma trap a nigga. Can't trust em.

Would you reccomend I get into football/soccer/rugby? I'm really starting to take an interest in sports lately. I was active as a kid but not big into sports, I usually just swam or rode my bike. I need a combat sport and a regular sport to get into.

[–]1PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rugby. No other sport builds the same kind of brotherly, family connection. No other sport will build as much character, ask as much of you, or turn you into as much of a man by constantly challenging you to go above and beyond for the guys to your left and right.

"Join a rugby team" was singlehandedly the best life advice I ever received. It turned me from a semi-athletic tall overly nice guy to a man who women wanted and could depend on. I learned what hard work was. I learned everything, really.

I don't know how old you are. For me, it was during the college years. My only regret was not starting sooner. Football and soccer never brought me close to my teammates and we didn't win a lot. My team in rugby went to the D3/small college nationals 3 of the years I played. We were better than a lot of D1, varsity funded programs, as a club team.

I broke my collar bone playing. It's been a long recovery. This Friday im finally having my final surgery to get the plate in my shoulder removed. After that, I won't have anything holding me back from re-achieving my fitness goals (currently 20 pounds away from my rugby weight... After my first surgery I was 65 pounds light. Scary stuff), and once I get back there I plan on joining a local men's club. Some of my old mates play for a rival team, so it will be a lot of fun to surprise them on a pitch.

Case and point, nothing on earth makes you more of a TRP man than joining a rugby club. I went to one hell of a liberal arts school where I didn't fit in, but I'll be damned if my teammates couldn't be sexist pigs who called feminists on their bullshit every chance they could.

[–]mk2624 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If I had a $1. Also "you don't know her like I do".

[–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A great reply back to that one is: "And you don't know her like other men have either."

[–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm too special for it to happen to me!

[–]Granarc 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sisters are the same way. I broke up with my oneitis So I was feeling like shit. We had a family get together and my sister avoided me like a plague. After I had gained my spirit back. they told me that they had never seen me like that and they didn't like it. They told me that I am normally the rock they can depend on. My response was "Where the fuck were you when I needed you then?" Since then I see what they really are. AWALT. A week later, I discovered the redpill.

[–]MarauderFH8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My sister actually tried to help my ex garner more money from me in the divorce.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand rp men who want marriage or ltrs. Pump, dump & plate forever.

[–]jborbz 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Goddamn it. I slipped this morning and let the gf see behind the curtain for one second. I knew immediately that I'd fucked up. It's hard to remember in those small moments that she doesn't really care.

[–]AnAbsoluteSith 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mind explaining your fuck up?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Huge difference between spilling some coffee on your shirt or fucking up a project at work that could get you fired.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I want to hear this story.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lesson learned: if you want to REMOVE the woman, act vulnerable

Got it.

[–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or grow a pair and tell them to GTFO.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But then she'll cry assault!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Every man has a story like OP's that jolted him and exposed him to reality. What's your story?

Extremely difficult and distressing family circumstances. Live-in girlfriend's response: increased bitching, nagging and attempts to control me, doing everything to make my life harder rather than easier.

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Similar story. Fail in any way and they can't "unsee" it as said many times by many people. Looking back I can't believe how much gas-lighting a previous live-in-gf was doing to me, pushing and pushing me to be the "bad guy" and end it - yet I didn't. Should have reflected more on the red flags before it ended and ended it on my terms long before the actual end.

Now I'm even more mysterious than before, most of time time I don't even realize it or do it intentionally. I also tell girls when they want a real emotional reaction that I've got a cold, lifeless, black heart inside with a smirk.

"Always leave them wanting more."

[–]tekn0_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When my parents were going through some really difficult shit and was contemplating separation that would affect my assets, my ex was pissed off that I wasn't celebrating her birthday with her. Clearly my family and its troubles meant nothing to her. Only her feelings and emotions mattered or should matter in the whole world for me.

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In my last LTR, I was beta/clingy. I cringe now thinking of it, but I was in love and well wanted to cling to her. I thought I'd found the one. She was also clingy right back and wanted to be with me all the time.

My brother and I got into a bad argument. He immediately called me and apologized. I hung up and was overcome with the love my brother and I have and shed a tear and leaned against her and talked a bit about my feelings. She immediately shut down. Five minutes later she gave me a talk about how she is really stressed and she would be different for a while. It was like an emotional iron curtain dropped. I broke up with her a few weeks later because of how she began treating me.

[–]only_your_enemy13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Just curious, what would you guys say to someone like me who has an anecdote which contradicts this reasoning? I've always had trouble expressing feelings and when my father passed in January my girlfriend forced me to open up to her. I felt very vulnerable and cried to her and our relationship became much stronger following.

[–]oralexam 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some women are like that, but you won't know until you try, and most of the time you'll fuck it up.

[–]Hoodwink 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look, if it's part of the script. Most women will follow it.

The script allows for crying on: parents, close siblings, and your dog from childhood.

Everything else is highly suspect.

Women are the ones that enforce gender roles - men don't really enforce 'roles' (you can't make a whore into a housewife). One of the reasons for 'unfair' marriage laws was probably this particular social observation - the ones in control were and always have been women because they choose the men. You protect men (and families) with resources by making kids and resources stay with the man. That's why religions chose to control women because you inevitably control men through women's choices.

[–]dandar4600 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are exceptions to every rule.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read this Pathetic Geek Stories comic a long time ago. I remember wondering how the woman could be so cold to break up with him and just silently eat while he sat there depressed. Now, post TRP, I know better.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Went off to a different college than my high school "sweetheart", we agreed to break it off right before that but were still very much crazy about each other.

I go off to a college without any of my friends (most of them didn't get in anywhere), I'm young, in a new environment, and utterly alone. Cue depression onset.

Meanwhile guess what my snowflake is doing? Day 1. Drunk as fuck at some random guys place with her slutty friend, spends the entire night showing how much she misses me by making out with this guy who, no shit, was a VIRGIN. Days 2 through forever got progressively worse.

Somewhere along the line I'd allowed my depression and lonliness to make me more beta than some pissant flabby, pastey sophomore virgin. As you all can imagine, I did what every beta does: clung to the slut who was responsible for my increasing depression for months, when she needed to get laid I'd bang her, then she'd go right back to the vcard VIP and forget me.

Shit gets worse, yada Yada yada, long story about eating myself alive.

Boom, wake up one day and I decide I hate her, and the only way she's going to learn a lesson is if I become a successful person. I hit the gym, I join the wrestling and MMA teams at my university, I get Accutane and knock my acne out, I jump into the pussy pool face first, have some success, I'm on dean's list every semester.

Ring ring

Guess who? It's that needy bitch who nearly caused me to ruin my life! (Note the mentality switch at this point. Beforehand I was the victim of her decision making. It was her fault. Now that I've stumbled on to this lifestyle (TRP) I've realized that this female was only doing the AWALT dance (the waltz). I was to blame the entire time for allowing her behavior to take place and remain present).

Anyway, don't answer the call. A new milestone has been realized, now I don't hate her. I've built a life that is so satisfying that she is of no consequence whatsoever to me.

Freedom.

Weeks go by. Her best friend goes to my university so some of her (the ex's) hot friends are occassionally visiting to party. I've got no problem with her best friend so when I receive a text about the two of them wanting to come visit and drink I'm slightly surprised but think nothing of it.

Yada yada yada, get drunk, bang one in my aparment.

Weeks go by, another bff visit and random text invitation.

Yada yada yada, get drunk, bang the other one in my apartment.

Women don't keep secrets well. At the first sign of turmoil they will unload whatever hurtful information they have on one another. Fight between ex and bff, bff unleashes the hurt. Ex distraught. Phone calls ignore string of texts no response Thought she had a boyfriend? Hm.

[–]mehdreamer 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a similar story to his. I had to go through a tough period at my job..i had to do extra hours at home..every weekend to be on the deadline. My LTR couldn't accept that...she wanted all the attention to her. what she did, is to create an OKC account...she has found an Italian guy...he fucked her in his car..I found out later by hacking her account(I am IT)

At the beginning of our relationship...she told me "I get bored very easilly" That was a red flag...a HUGE one. If a girl tell she get bored easily...turn around...she can never be an LTR.

That what brought me to TRP. Never again

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

never in my fucking life i will understand how women can be so cold hearted, forget about all the good times and things you did for them in literally seconds.

it´s scary to see how they can cheat and dump their boyfriends and give no fucks about it. where the fuck are your feelings, aren´t you a human being

and ofc, never open up to a women, it will not only dry them up like the sahara desert but it won´t help you at all since they will never understand the struggles men go through

[–]IndyBrodaSolo 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I spent my whole life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless. But not men."

  • Don Corleone

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beta males are for resources so don't hint any issue with that.

Women are not good at handling bad stuff so shield them from it.

Men are to provide a rock for her emotional roller-coaster so be sure not to display too much emotion. Stoicism is good, for you, and for your women.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I hadn't heard of that book before. I'm listening to the audiobook now. Thanks!

[–]aleddito 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reading it for a second time now.

Will even read a third time if needed

[–]zxDanKwan 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't even rely on your own mother. After all, AWALT. I've heard plenty of stories of mothers trying to betafy their own sons.

Better to do your best to build a meaningful relationship with your father, or some other male role model, and turn to them for the emotional support you seek.

Never trust a woman with your heart. It's what they eat.

[–]OilyB 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My ex of 4 years stood on my shoulders to: enhance her relationship with her 2 daughters, leave her dad as a business partner, improve the relationship with her daughters' dad, to copy paste a better family life and to find a new career. In retrospect she was a partygirl trying to get her life to look more mature. Tried 3 new business ideas and 4 jobs but failed hopelessly, got herself into enormous debt and tried to get/borrow money and more and more financial support from me and my family. She made a complete and utter mess of herself (physically: became fat; and emotionally: was firing appr 8 new plans every week, allowing her moodswings to ruin everything) in 4 years, secretly hoping she'd be a SAHM but outwardly acting like she was trying to build a new career.

When she finally realized I wouldn't finance her endless unstable moneypit misery, she blamed me for a couple of made up trivialities and skipped town. To go back to living with her parents and have 3 jobs in two years.

Tl;dr - Dodged a yuge bullet from a true leech.

[–]Five_Decades 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The sad part is that if you took an average male teenager and took an hour explaining red pill philosophy to him, guys would not be caught off guard by this stuff nearly as much. You can't absorb all of TRP in an hour, but you can get the jist and the basics down.

briffault's law, hypergamy, branch swinging, female sexual strategy, AF/BB.

This is sad how clueless men are. I was the same way before I came here. Looking at my past relationships, I can see when women were engaging in TRP tactics and I was caught off guard.

Disagree with the OP. Nothing wrong with being a beta. There is more to life than getting laid and spreading your genes. Lots of guys just want to be happy and safe, and they just want a woman who will support them in thick and thin rather than bail once a guy gives signs he can't provide. Do those women exist? Yeah, but they are the minority.

If you insist on getting into a LTR with a woman, make sure she is a decent human being first and foremost. Is she close to her family? Does she have compassion for animals? Does she have healthy self esteem? How does she treat people who are beneath her or who have wronged her? If she is a decent human being, she is probably more willing to suppress her destructive urges.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No woman is a decent human being.

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The sad part is that if you took an average male teenager and took an hour explaining red pill philosophy to him, guys would not be caught off guard by this stuff nearly as much. You can't absorb all of TRP in an hour, but you can get the jist and the basics down.

would they believe it though?

i sometimes wonder, if i was 17 and someone telling me this - would i believe this or disregard such a philosophy as the ramblings of an old man that just doesn´t know women are wonderful.

[–]MeditateErrDay 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the nature of the masculine and feminine polarity. I don't look at this as anything to be angry about towards women.

Men need to focus on their mission and get shit done. Do this and the attraction will be strong.

If you don't know what your mission is, unplug for a couple of days. Journal, go for walks, meditate, pray, and go deep within yourself.

You should never go to a woman before this as she can't do this for you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Leant this from my ex-wife. Mum dies while delivering (part of a team) 1.5 Billion project.

Emotional support? None. Only wanted cash for the xBox live account.

Revenge? Of course. Didn't get divorced raped and fuck a hotter chick in our bed while she is at church.

If i want to talk about my feelings, i buy beer and visit a mate.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

While I agree with you that women need a rock and you should never act like some insecure emotional beta in front of your woman (and kids).. I'm willing to bet there was more to each guys situation than him simply acting vulnerable for a moment..

What are these guys like in the sack? Were they pleasing their wives?

What were their personal attitudes like? Were they grouchy all the time? Beta pushovers who just bend to the will of their wives? Boring chumps? Dad bods? Entitled attitude but too beta to deserve it (women like to serve alphas, it gives them pleasure.. But they resent serving beta male losers in a boyfriend/girlfriend husband/wife dynamic.

As for the example of the kid who took his exam, just sounds like the typical hot college girlfriend thing to do.. Break up at the end of the semester so you can go fuck a bunch of dudes at a beach house with your sorority sisters over the summer guilt free.. Although she may have been a huge cunt too who knows? I had a similar break up with my last girlfriend. Before we dated I wasn't "alpha" in any sense other than I was a cool dude in my social circle and fucking multiple women. She KNEW i was fucking multiple women and it seemed like it got her excited. We started dating because I was cheating on my girlfriend at the time with her. Turns out, the chick was just a fucking succubus cunt with no soul.. It felt like she sucked away my mojo and I lost my confidence.. She also treated her parents and siblings like shit so looking back now without being high on "love", it's no mystery that she'd treat me like shit as well. Bitch broke up with me ON A FUCKING VACATION.

Unless these dudes was REALLY getting beta like having an emotional breakdown in front of her causing her to think "wow this guy needs to grow a pair of fucking balls" also using her as your emotional tampon then there's gotta be more going on.. Simply saying to your girlfriend "Ahh babe I have this big test coming up tuesday the material's pretty difficult I hope I pass".. Any normal girlfriend would reply with something like "You got this babe I know you can do it".. That's usually how that stuff's gone for me before.

There has to be more going on here. Married women past the wall don't just up and leave because their husband gets a little emotional or nervous about their job.. Unless those women truly are fucked in the head / mentally ill (BPD or something).

Although.. Alphas don't "worry" about this shit to begin with. They analyze and execute.

Exams are designed to be passable for the average student in your class.

Jobs are designed for the average person with given qualifications to perform.

"worrying" simply means you're too lazy, too stupid, or too cowardly to analyze your situation and execute a solution (given there's no sort of "handicap" involved with your ability to perform).

[–]lozboss 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true. Women give zero fucks about your hard times but expect you to be there to be their rock.

It's quite a depressing state of affairs.

So much for "behind every great man is a great woman"

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The things mentioned in this post are true, no doubt. But there is a common theme throughout them, which is the girl seems like an emotional wreck from the start.

Wanting him to open up for years, using him as a meal ticket, come get your shit, help me with mine, etc. The one issue I have with the guys that get stuck in this is that they already picked an idiot and when you pick an idiot they will fuck you over. The fact that a guy would say let me help you with your shit then lets go talk about it is unreal. Own the fact that you picked a loser and say "ok", let her get her shit and have a beer.

I am one of the most negative people alive. I barely give a fuck about anything. But some of this stuff I read is too one sided. There never seems to be the angle of well maybe you picked a fucking money hungry insecure idiot and now you are paying for it; combined with the fact that every one of these post has beta written all over it. Thats the core issue, because women are saying the same shit about us now. We are all fucked up and people have to pick good ones but also accept that shit can go south.

If my women told me right now she was done or to fuck off, I would be gone before the end of the sentence. I am just realist, but I dont think its guaranteed that these stories will happen if you ever get involved with a female. Its more about the man being a real man to the point that he would never be in these positions. If he was, he wouldnt care. Eliminating the whole "oh my gosh they are just so lacking in empathy." Who gives a fuck, an alpha doesnt have empathy to being with. Therefore, have your shit straight and stop caring. Use the relationship for what its worth and if it goes south, you will find another one anyway, like we all do throughout life.

I love the idea of men squaring their shit away, but if your foundation is solid then none of this should matter IMO.

[–]RedSugarPill 8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

OK, RP fellas, it's revenge porn story time. If you have a weak constitution or are a SJW, stop reading right now and go fuck yourself.

I dated an HB6 Indian girl for about a year. She was 24 and in the middle of her CC riding days as a grad student. I was thirsty and had just gotten back from the ride of my life abroad, with nobody to fuck back home.. So I tried really hard with this one, and eventually plated her. We dated for almost 1 year, but I knew she was a trashy whore, so I kept her at emotional arm's length (i.e., I knew she wasn't marriage material—and this is 10 years before I found TRP). Fast forward 1 year into the relationship, where I had been her rock, entertainment, drinking buddy, and go-to fuck-star (her friends even called me Mr. Big): I had a very difficult week with my graduate advisor. I was distraught, because my advisor threatened to kick me out of the program—get this—for not doing another student's homework! So I mentioned it to her and asked her for advice. Within 48 hours of my first real personal issue, she said she needed a break from all the drama. My response: like hell you need a break. I've been a great boyfriend since we got together a year ago, and I have a tough week and now you need a break? I have a better idea; I'm breaking up with you.

I was distraught, but I knew where our relationship was going, but my evil revenge porn plan was just beginning to hatch. I ignored her for weeks, and got her to thinking maybe she made a mistake. Got her back in the sack and fucked her silly for a few months, but inside I was still pissed off. I still wanted revenge. One day she came over for a quick lay, and I had just taken a shit. You evil bastards know where this is going: I laid her out on her back, with her head slightly off the edge of the bed, and rammed it in her face until she was making choking sounds. It was so goddam funny I had to pump harder so she couldn't notice my laughter. After a few seconds of hearing her gulping agony, I felt satisfied, and all the anger dissipated. Turned her ass around and banged her hard until I came up in that dirty fucking whore. As soon as I came, I rolled off her and started laughing uncontrollably. I didn't know what to say, so I just said “I'm sorry honey, you were so hot, I couldn't control myself” She smiled and said she enjoyed it. WTF?! Lesson learned. Hate fucking and complete degradation is actually enjoyed thoroughly by these dirty fucking whores.

Update on her life: I was not invited to her traditional Indian wedding, but the guy is a pudgy FOB and she is ABCD. Have a nice life together, beta bucks—I'm sure you'll enjoy that pussy—I sure did ;)

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Women love hatefucking, degradation and being completely ignored. It makes them feel inferior to you, gives them tingles. A woman is happiest in the state between pain and pleasure. Women love being emotionally hurt by alphas and DT men.

[–]RedSugarPill 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No doubt. This is the kind of knowledge that took me decades to learn believe. The truth is right there in front of our eyes--we just have to be willing to see it. Took me a long time, and a lot of heartbreak.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yup. They're all gluttons for punishment. They love pain. They love being hurt by alphas, and they love hurting betas. They're sadomasochists.

Pain and regret are a womans best friends.

Women are not worthy of love and they know It. Which is why they hate men who love them. They know their trash, and want you to treat them like so. Redpill should not fall in love with women. Women are happiest being used, abused, and discarded by sociopathic dominant nonemotional alpha men.

[–]RedSugarPill 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

they love hurting betas

Heh, you could say that again. I have expressed every RP archetype at one point of my life or another, from missionary beta bob to repeatedly nailing a married medical professional in her office. But before TRP none of this shit made any sense. How come this chick is blowing me in a carwash one day, and then making out with another guy at a bar in front of me another day? Those were absolutely terrifying days in my early adulthood. Men must be taught the behavior of women--for their own mental health and sanity. It amazes me that cultures keep trying, and succeeding, in covering this knowledge up.

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They keep it a secret because men would have no incentive to start families or support women if they knew the truth. Men wouldn't be motivated by their women to succeed, they'd just get by with as little as they can. Single men can live on a small amount of income. Plus men are kept in the dark so the female imperative can succeed through society. Evolution leans more towards the side of the feminine imperative from what I know, I think I read that on rollos blog.

If all men were redpill aware, the worlds elite couldn't control us either. The elite keep the blue pill masses in the dark.

[–]RedSugarPill 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

On one hand, I feel like the elites have overplayed their hand. It's so bad that we cannot even reliably sustain ourselves. On the other hand, I think it's being done this way, on purpose, in order to reduce the population. White Americans have become effectively infertile. To be honest, if I could have gotten the expected income, given my advanced degree and training, I would have gladly become some woman's slave, locked behind the bars of a white picket fence. But I got lucky, as I started to see women's nature, and how the government is treating men, just in time.

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Yup. The white population is on a steep decline, as are the birthrates. Everybody will be mixed over the next 50 years anyways though. Our grandchildren will be little lightskinned kids lmaoo. And nah, fuck that. Marriage = Trash. I've never wwanted to get married. They same pussy forever sounds like no fun.

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[–]RedSugarPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Every time I receive oral sex, I make sure I'm freshly showered. But I conveniently forgot that day..

[–]ThePantsThief 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her nose was towards the bottom of his cock, as her head was hanging off the edge of the bed. She could smell his asshole.

[–]staggerman 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Every man has a story like OP's that jolted him and exposed him to reality. What's your story?"

In Iraq on my first deployment. I had a girlfriend I met right after High School. We were together for about 1 and a half years. I was seriously considering asking her to marry me before I left. Thank god I had good NCO's that told me to at least wait until I get back. Anyway, convoy got hit and one of my good friends was killed. I called her a couple days later wanting emotional support. Not two weeks later breaks up with me saying she couldn't handle it anymore. Found out she was fucking one of my high school friends. Thank god we broke up and I never married her. I got some payback when I got home and fucked her a few times while she was dating my former friend.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Without looking: she gangbanged a pack of strangers just as he was coming home from work to find the locks changed on the house he just bought her.

[–]ApexScorpion 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Had a girl rage out on me because I didn't open up and talk about my problems enough. Go figure. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I made it a priority not to need her assistance or emotional support. I tried it before but I felt intellectually deprived to an extent, so I became protective. All I was doing was telling her how weak I felt and she's just collecting data to shit on me in the future. She couldn't understand it from my point of view so I kept certain things to myself. I detest depending on a woman for anything major really.

[–]One_friendship_plz 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How does one get a woman to stop prying for this information?
I had a woman do this to me for YEARS.
Does it never end, if you run into the type who keeps asking what's wrong and other bullshit?

[–]ApexScorpion 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep deflecting I presume, but it gets very tiresome over time so you have to be resilient. It gets harder depending on the severity of your issue also. It was certain times that I would say I'm OK and have a fucked up look on my face. Sometimes she saw right through me. I didn't like how obvious I was. Being stoic is very difficult at times but if you want her to leave you alone you have to be convincing (body language, energy, tone of voice, facial expressions).

[–]Veritas_potissimum 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's likely she branch swung long ago and was just looking for a reason to finalize the deal. They've been together for years so it's unlikely this guy had a watertight frame all along and only slipped recently. This bitch had a plan and was going to pursue it and justify it with any reason she could - "He breathes too loud "

[–]Il128 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Long ago... I was in college and working full time and trying to make the college football team as a tight end. I had a 10/10 smoking hot, tall, hard bodied fiancé.

My mother got cancer. I was devastated. I really needed my fiancées support. She started fucking a mutual friend.

The end.

[–]1Entropy-7 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw that in my divorce practice: wife cheats, gets caught, serves guy with papers. A common excuse by women and white knights as to why women file for divorce more often is simply "well, what did the guy do to make her file?" The answer is nothing! He caught her cheating!

"What did he do to make her cheat on him?"

Fuck me: does rat poison work on hamsters?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It still amazes me that some redpillers think women love. I don't believe women love at all, not even alphas. Women don't love, they just lust for tingles and alpha genes. Don't be fooled. Women are not capable of love.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/TFk9uyO.png

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies. Be a man.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men shouldn't love women. Use em, abuse em, lose em.

[–]hotshot0123 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You quoted my post from okc here. I personally don't belive in your ideology but one thing I learned from my failed marriage is that, a man gotta be strong & should never give second chances.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Read the sidebar. It will change your life.

[–]hotshot0123 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I did. I took somethings & rejected somethings. I do not follow everything blindly.

[–]1Ronin11A 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not follow everything blindly.

No, you're just blind.

Good luck. You'll be back when history repeats itself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Appreciate the post, some brutal examples. Serious question - you say you can rely only on your mother and male friends. How do you rationalise a mother (who was once one of these women) now having the empathy to support, if that empathy wasn't there all along?

[–]grewapair 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She only has empathy for her own children.

[–]ABC_Florida 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR: Women are awful at giving any kind of support when your luck is down. Rely on men, not women. The only use girls have is sex and passive feminine energy.

One exception: your blood. Apart from that I can second that from my own experiences. I recall my father criticizing my mom only once. When they announced to us, that they gonna divorce. And even then I was the one telling him, I can not stand the tone she is talking to me some times. I can recall many occasions my mom was telling us kids tales how my dad forgot something, fucked something up, or how he is simply doing something wrong, in her opinion of course. Don't get me wrong! I love both of them. But it is almost totally true what OP states. A man getting empathy from a woman for feeling like shit is pretty rare. Apart from your blood of course. They either look at you like some injured puppy for some petty scar, or lose any desire for you.

[–]DoerOfStuffAndThings 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Call your mom if you need to talk to someone who cares how you feel. Always remember that:

  • Men love women

  • Women love their children

  • Children love hamsters (or puppies, depends who you quote)

  • Hamsters don't love anyone

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like i get the point here but i would just LOVE for someone to verify for me here. My last relationship at the end i basically heard the whole "you weren't emotionally available" thing. Is that PURELY a shit test, like Sun Tzu's make you strength appear weak so when your enemy attacks it you destroy them? It seems that's the only way to interpret it, despite the insensate nagging of women to "open up".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont know if it is the words you used, the story you told, the timing, or the combination of all three, but something literally just snapped in my head.

I also watched some John Wayne movies on Netflix a few days ago, and I feel like those movies where a Redpill bible.

Men need other men for emotional support and what not. I have recently came to the conclusion that I MUST join some sort of club or what not that is almost entirely men. When women are around its just a different vibe. I have nothing against women, but I just need to bro out and not worry about competing for women and all that B.S. I feel like this is what guys always do with video games, bars, sports, etc. Then women find out where having fun without them so they have to ruin the fun.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was dating a girl who I really clicked with. Objective, smart, tall, attractive. We would banter about atheism and psychology. She didn't get passive aggressive when I failed to call her. Didn't try to guilt trip me about stupid shit. Just a genuinely good person. I'm thinking "there are some good women after all."

After about two years of dating I tell her that my father has lost his job and it's up to me to financially support my parents [for an indefinite period of time, but not permanently]. Our chemistry died that day and communication completely dried up soon after.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This hasn't happen to me, but my theory is that when a man dumps his emotional baggage onto a woman, it makes her feel sad. Women are creatures of feelz over realz. When she's feeling down, she automatically apply that sadness over the entire relationship, doesn't matter if said relationship lasted 10 weeks or 10 years. Ultimately, I think men need to be as stone cold as possible in front of women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They do. Never show weakness.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"the only person you should emotionally rely on is your mother"

Barely. She will tolerate your shit, but that doesn't mean she won't find you repulsive at the same time.

A mother is a woman. Awalt. Apply trp principles in your relationship with your mother, and see the changes. You'll realize that "mother" is only a frail mask.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your woman is the only woman who will have empathy for you. She might be disgusted by your betaness, but if she's a decent mom shell still care. Anyone else? No empathy. You're right tho, you can game your mom. Not in the sexual way hopefully.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women love unemotional men, nothing turns a woman off more than caring about her, even if you're alpha.

[–]Totsean 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Had two girls at the same time, both were loyal, one went behind my back and cheated on me. I played the Beta cry baby card to see if she will confess, the bitch kept on lying, I told my other girl who was right with us, she will never confess.

Lo behold she didn't. Talked to the guy she fucked, bro code still stands. He came clean, told my bitch lied to him told him etc.

Called her and said fuck off. 5 Month fucking down the drain, but I got my other girl with me, and she was hotter anyway.

In short, WOMEN WILL CHEAT MATE. I lost of my frame left and right, cause I can lose them both and get new ones. But yeah lesson learned!.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For most of the girls you can use following principle: "If you stop treating her like shit she'll immediately start to suck somebody else's dick"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two things this young man failed to do. One, he failed to join a fraternity that requires members maintain a strong academic focus, high personal values and consistent male solidarity. Two, he didn't hang back and establish a total blackout from the girlfriend until after finals. Hopefully he learned from this and adjusts accordingly.

[–]Gman777 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really wonder to what extent a lot of this stuff is a result of social conditioning in the USA.

Although a lot of the RP posts have express some familiarity, my experience with women of different cultures / backgrounds has been very different. Eg. Displaying emotions in time of need resulted in support and strengthening of a relationship.

No doubt it would make for a fascinating sociological study.

[–]blanxable 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Have you considered sending the guy a message linking him here(either this thread or TRP as a whole)?

[–]drqxx 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be The Catch; or be replaced.

[–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"And I was like then she was like and I'm over here like. And you know what that's like? She was like and then I was like"
He fucking deserved it for his inability to communicate like an adult.

[–]betastictendencies 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is how i found this place, i can reflect on this in a lot of ways.

I can hold a frame but not 100% in a multi-year LTR, i believe even the alphaest have their weak moments. All it took for me was a few weeks of stress after two years of strong frame for the relationship to deteriorate. I wasn't even completely burnt out, just the first sign of weakness from my part to her ever.

Makes me wonder about LTR's in general. To me holding frame is a thing you have to actively work on, cant just rely on it passively. And anything that requires active attention is taxing.

EDIT*: Grammar etc, non-native speaker

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are always going to be ups and downs in our lives, it all depends on how you handle it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ltrs are a waste of time and energy draining. Waste of time. Plates are a time drain. There's no winning lmao.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good examples. All a learning process, hopefully these guys found TRP or something to bounce back into masculinity

[–]Bodegaz 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I think it is important to test your girls by going "chode mode" for a bit and see how they respond. Do this early on and continue to test. If they stand by you and support you early on, chances are they will also in the future and long run..

I try to keep a balanced mix of being a boss and being a bitch. I think that if you're alpha 99% of the time and when that 1% of beta shows, she will think that you have changed forever. But if you bounce back and forth from beta to alpha, it will teach her that you are imperfect and even though you have your "downs", you can work you way back "up" on your own (as well with her support).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can You write more about passive feminine energy or can You, or anyone reading, point me to some writing about that?

[–]1sezamus 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My ex-gf did the same.

I couldn't get a job for some time (I was still a student at an university) and "Bzzzt. Jumping to another guy (IT specialist, older than me) in ten, nine..."

4 years relationship and I planned to propose 3 months after we broke up.

[–]CryptoManbeard 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the last story because it cements something that I had to find out the hard way. If you're in an LTR and you have LTR friends, they are your partner's friends and not yours. When the shit goes down you will always be the asshole outcast, no matter the cause. The people that stick with you are your real friends, and you may not have many of them.

I hear this all the time with my girlfriend, bitch whore cheats on her husband, they all rally behind the woman because he was an asshole. When you break up, you will be the asshole.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wife cheated, Found out, wanted it to work but the guy she was cheating with had a really fat bank balance which I could never match with my pay grade.

And she will burn him to the ground too.

[–]1jb_trp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't look back or feel a shred of remorse. Hell, she didn't even feel emotional enough to stop eating her food during the conversation. And that's the female imperative. "Weakness and vulnerability detected. Abort relationship, branch swing immediately. Bzzzt. In ten, nine, eight..."

I remember my ex girlfriend coming over about a week after we broke up. She had just spent a day with her new guy and her family, and I wanted to talk things out. She came over with Panda Express and sat their eating her stupid chow mein while I poured out my heart to her, wanting her to give things another chance.

There was no sympathy. There was nothing.

Later she made fun of me for this moment, telling me I "looked like a little kid" when I was being vulnerable and open. AWALT.

[–]EvolvingRedneck 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"What's your story?" I remember when I was going through a breakup three years ago. Fortunately I had an older co-worker who had been through the ringer. He simply said, "no matter how good of a person you are, in a breakup you will be the bad guy". Then I eventually found TRP.

[–]killxorxbexkilled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice piece of creative writing. And even if it is real (it's not) - good, fuck her, he didn't need her anyway.

[–]apricot-jam 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's hard to be mean to someone in this situation. Most other stories I read here the dudes are beta as hell and cucks, no holding back. But I couldn't be a cunt to this guy after reading this

[–]JungleBeast423 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the third story, the girl was asking him to be more open. Usually when a woman says this they are projecting, they subconsciously think that THEY should be more open and honest with HIM. Law of reflection...

[–]AngeloCiao 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is ditto my experience aswell, they wanna see you a wreck and expect it (they are proved right by 90% of men) they enjoy fucking you over when you a not expecting it, cold hearted assisn style, calculated to fuck. I have learnt even if it kills you, you must try and go fuck other chicks asap, a lot of guys make the mistake of then uploading new pics with other girls onto various social media, woman see straight through it and they win as they know you are still in pain, and trying to win her back clutching at straws. its best to go aloof act the exact oposite and have faith their little hamster will be caffenated to fuck as to why you havent done what they expected.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, we at RedPill know this so we don't fall into these traps ourselves and end up getting hurt later.

That doesn't sound very RP.

the only person you should emotionally rely on is your mother and your male friends.

Hahaha, I won't put an ounce of emotional investment in my male friends, they're all cunts. I trust them to be honest, that's all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

OK. Obviously she was on her way out before one week of clingy. Come on.

[–]Linoran 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I think so too. This was just the final straw.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gotta be more to this.

Women won't put up with you being a bawling pussy all the time, but expressing fear about your finals or whining a bit? That's not going to send her off

Maybe she was already looking to get out, was already fucking someone else, or he was just way out of his depth and she was a 10 and hes a 6

[–]Magnum256 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno, this guy sounds like a mess to begin with. I mean relying on her for a car, emphasizing that he had to walk 5 whole miles, being too sad to study for a test and failing, basically he's intentionally letting his problems manifest and cripple him further which is about the worst thing you can do. I'm not saying it's wrong to be sad or depressed or whatever but you can't let those emotions own you entirely or you end up like this guy.

Also his ex-girlfriend is right in that it's unattractive for a guy to mimic female behavior. I've dated many girls who could be considered clingy and basically wanted to spend as much time as they could with me, as if they had nothing else to do in their life. But the thought of me doing the same? calling them up non-stop, showing up at their house randomly every day, showing interest in every minute of their day, the thought makes me sick, I couldn't live that way and wouldn't expect a woman to find it attractive if I tried to, so if this guys clinging around like a lost puppy (even if she was doing it for years) no wonder she called him out on it.

[–]HueHue08 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks like the guys on OkCupid chose the wrong women. Hopefully they make the right decision next time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All women are the wrong women.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best shit I've ever read and should be sidebarred or stickied immediately!

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Sigh, another extreme good topic ruined by misinformation and a lack of understanding.

Women are useful for so much moe than sex and energy. That's the sort of idiotic bullshit that turns us from a masculine site into some amalgam of backwater crackpots.

[–]AnAbsoluteSith 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you're not being sarcastic please elaborate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This idea that because you don't know how to communicate with women or how to handle them that there's some huge flaw with them or that all they're capable of is intercourse is so foolhardy.

It's male hamstering and it's annoying as fuck.

The flaw is with you, not with them

[–]AnAbsoluteSith 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see your point now. I don't know why you're being down-voted. It's akin to dealing with dogs. Don't kick the dog because it's shitting everywhere and barking; you're just a crappy owner for not putting the measures in place for it not to do that (proper training etc). It will do what is in its nature to do if you don't do your part.

[–]Master1176 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's like the guys who always say "If you're Alpha enough, you can get married."

I just don't buy it. I know how to communicate with women just fine, and I even believe that they are good for more than sex and reproduction - I just don't like the hot-winded shaming arguments you're making. You're not being clear, you're just telling the guys who disagree with you that they're weak and stupid. That's not a valid argument.

[–]AugmentedFury -2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Sex...that's all the majority of women are good for. If you need emotional support or even just a good conversation, almost all women are not the ones to go to. If it weren't for sex; no man would tolerate women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

this is 100% wrong.

i'm sorry you feel that way. i wish you the best my dude

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Please elaborate. Besides sex and babies, what are women good for? I respect your endorsed tag but you seem to be posturing as if you're at this stage of redpill zen enlightenment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

no, i'm telling you any man who thinks women are only good for reproduction and pleasure are men who have no clue how to be men. You've let feminism and the liberal elite turn you away from any and all humanity. you've lost.

Even the world's most powerful and successful men are capable of emotional connection.

[–]Master1176 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not saying anything, you're just calling all of your brothers assholes. If you believe that women are good for something more than sex and reproduction, then you need to explain what else they are good for. Instead of telling us all that we have no clue how to be men, enlighten us. As your argument stands right now, you sound just like an SJW - all shame and emotion, and no logic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

By your logic I'm not a man then (and niether are 90% of the men on this sub then), because that's all the value they have to offer me.

Never had my "humanity" in the first place.

Emotionally connecting with a woman is a waste of time. Investment is the antithesis to tingles. If were talking a "I'll love you for the night" thing, maybe. But women much prefer pain over any emotional connection. Emotional connection makes a woman see you as weak, even if you're alpha. I'm of the ideal that redpill men should not love or fall in love. Use em, abuse em, lose em.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

90%?

who are you kidding? what kind of echo chamber do you live in?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha from what I've seen around TRP, thats the main consensus. I could be wrong.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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