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I lost my marriage, my career, and my kid

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submitted by 2legion327

So this was originally posted to TIFU. It was left up for approximately 14 hours, made the reddit front page then was deleted by TIFU mods. They provided no reason.

Tried to re-post at relationships and they deleted it instantly. No reason provided.

Apparently, the fact that my story resonated with so many people is threatening in some way. Threatening to whom, I'll leave you to decide.

So I'm reposting here. Enjoy.

I was in the US Army. I was stationed in South Korea and I met a girl while I was back home on leave visiting friends. She was really cute and I liked her a lot. We clicked instantly. She opened up to me about how her dad had raped her when she was 9. My heart went out to her and we kept in touch for several months even after I left to go back to Korea. A relationship blossomed and we eventually ended up married. A year later, she was pregnant. I was overjoyed. We both were. 9 months later, my son was born. Within a couple months of his birth, the new-baby joyous haze had faded and postpartum depression set in with my wife. I did what I could to help lift her spirits but I was also working 12-hour days and sometimes weekends because, ya know... it's the Army. When my son was 6 months old, I got the news that my unit was going to deploy to Iraq. We were sent to the Fort Irwin National Training Center in the Mojave desert to train. While I was there, I got a call from a friend back at my unit. He had seen my wife in a Military Police vehicle with my son.

I was shattered. I was thousands of miles away and powerless to do anything and didn't know what was wrong or what might have happened to her and my son. I knew she had been in a fragile state. What could be wrong?!? I was absolutely frantic for days. She wasn't answering her phone. Worse yet, we were doing training exercises and I had lost my phone charger at some point and my phone had died. I called again from a friend's phone and left a voicemail with his phone number in the hopes that she would call back. Finally, on day 3 after hearing this news, she calls his phone. He runs over to me and brings me his cell. The wind is blasting sand into my face and it's 110 degrees outside. I ask her what's wrong and what the hell happened?!?

She tells me she wants a divorce... I'm dumbfounded. This is out of nowhere and I'm in total shock. Turns out she wasn't in a Military Police vehicle because there she was in trouble... She was fucking the MP. Of course, she couldn't very well leave my months-old son by himself so she was carting him along with her while she was doing it. It had been going on for months, even before I left. There's pictures of her and him and baby son with a tent in the background. They'd gone camping. Asked her where my son had slept and she matter-of-factly stated that he'd been in the tent with them. Nevertheless, I try to work things out for the sake of our son, but she's adamant and wants the divorce. Divorces are never quick so some tense months went by... but finally the divorce is granted. The next morning, I wake up and she is gone. She left our son with me, got on a plane, she's gone.

So there I was, a 22-year-old soldier who is suddenly a single dad of a now 10-month-old baby and I'm supposed to get on a plane to Iraq the following week. I didn't know what to do. So I grab my son, put him in his car seat, and drive to my unit's headquarters and sit down with my Commander and explain the situation. My son's mother has left and gone back to her parent's house, my own parents both work full-time along with parenting my mentally handicapped sister and can't possibly take on my son as well. So my CO says he'll have to consult with the Battalion Commander about what to do.

I nervously wait a few days. Then, 6 days before we're supposed to deploy to Iraq, my CO comes back and tells me that they're going to put me out of the Army on an honorable discharge. In a way, I was relieved because my son was my first priority. But I also have never felt that guilty in my entire life. I had trained with these guys in my unit for years preparing to go to war. Now I'm not going at all. I was a sergeant so I had soldiers who were underneath me that got transferred to another squad. I felt like they were being abandoned by me and there was nothing I could do to stop it.

Then, on the day my unit is leaving, my company is getting on the buses to drive to the airport. My CO hands me a clipboard and asks me to check off each soldier as they get on the bus. So I did. Each one shook my hand and wished me luck as he got on the bus. I watched every face go by and shook every hand. My CO was the last on the bus. He took the clipboard from me, I saluted him, and he shook my hand and got on the bus and they drove away. Suddenly, I was standing in front of the headquarters building with my son napping in his carrier on the pavement beside me and I was totally and utterly alone. I sat down on the pavement and (I have to sit my manhood aside here for a moment) cried harder than I have ever cried in my entire life. I had never felt so painfully guilty and so alone.

Three months later, I was honorably discharged from the Army and on my way home. I got myself a place, got set up with a community college and started pursuing a degree while doing the single dad thing. I was recovering and putting my life together because I had to. For him.

Three months into this new life I'd set up for myself, a sheriff's deputy shows up at my front door. He hands me a manila envelope with court papers in it. I'd been served. My ex-wife was suing for custody.

Now, let's pause for a moment. So far, all of this is a rather unfortunate set of circumstances and you're probably wondering "So where's the FU? This doesn't sound like it's your fault." Up until now, you'd be right. So here it is. Here's where I fucked up: For the first month, I didn't even get a lawyer. I just called her and asked her what in the world she was doing. Couldn't we work this out? Fuck-up number 1. Always get a lawyer if you get a damn court summons. No exceptions. Your lawyer needs time to prepare your case. The longer you take to get one, the more ill-prepared he/she is. So finally I figure this out because things just aren't getting worked out. So I get a lawyer. The lawyer of course tells me to cease communication with her and that all communication will now go through him to her lawyer. But, in my hubris, I did not listen. I called her due to my emotional state being so out of whack. The conversation was somewhat peaceable at first but turned sour. At some point, she asked me if I had firearms in my house. I responded that of course I did to protect our son she abandoned and blah blah blah... This is fuck-up #2. She recorded it. This recording was the central piece of evidence she used in court against me. Of course the gun was locked up but she claimed he was in danger. Never ever disobey your lawyer and never base legal decisions on emotion.

Another six months passed and then a judge awarded sole physical custody of my son to my ex-wife despite the fact that I had been taking care of him alone this entire time since she left us both. This sounds crazy, I know. However, we're talking about a southern bible belt judge who was golf buddies with my ex-father-in-law. So yeah... that was that. While the system is a bit of joke when it comes to father's rights, I ultimately lost my son because I fucked up.

TL;DR - Guy in army gets cheated on by his wife and loses his wife, then his career, and then, due to his own hubris, his son.

EDIT:

Part 2 can be found here: redd(dot)it/4jz1ue


[–]DailyManliness 636 points637 points  (87 children)

When people ask why we need TRP. This is why. This should be put in the side bar of "Wondering why we need TRP, click here"..The censorship of male stories and males needing to share what happened to them is disgusting. I'm curious if this is exactly what you posted there? I see no shaming in this or anything that anyone could even pretend is shaming a particular gender or group of people. It's a story, disliking the content does not mean the content is offensive and it's almost dangerous to me if this exact story was removed by other mods

[–]2legion327[S] 467 points468 points  (69 children)

I copy/pasted.

The TIFU post that ended up on the front page had 2700+ upvotes, 3 gold, and 491 comments at last count. I'm still getting comments on the original post and getting PM-bombed by a ton of people outraged that it was removed.

Relationships sub doesn't want anything to do with me either.

Reddit can't handle a story like this being front page.

I'm being silenced.

Edit: If trp mods want to sticky or sidebar this as you suggested, I don't mind. The whole purpose of this is to help others with my experience.

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[–]adbJ114 29 points29 points [recovered]

My post was removed and I received a really flippant reply from AskMen for asking a harmless dating question the other day. I was a little surprised, but this makes perfect sense.

[–][deleted] 112 points113 points  (3 children)

askmen... more like askcucks

[–]babybopp 34 points35 points  (2 children)

That subreddit is run by womens who camouflage anonymously as men.

[–]broffesorpabst 27 points28 points  (0 children)

You mean men who ask their womyns what their opinion should be?

[–]vagbutters 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's run by manginas but I can see why you confused them with women.

[–]shit_with_holes 4 points5 points  (9 children)

What's the context? Sounds interesting.

[–]adbJ114 47 points47 points [recovered]

A girl (let's call her Kate) I had gone on a date with six months back asked me out out of the blue recently and I went that night to meet her and her girlfriends at a bar. Kate was flirting with me hard, very physical. Outside, later in the night I started chatting with Kate's female friend, and Kate apparently didn't like it. She got jealous and left shortly after.

Not really a big deal, but I wanted to get mens' perspective on how I should proceed, i.e. how to pursue Kate (or not) in a dignified way. There was nothing racy or judgmental about my post at all.

The moderators at AskMen almost immediately pulled my post, and when I asked why they said something to the effect of "There's nothing substantive to your story and we don't know what a single person was thinking."

I wasn't asking anyone to read her mind, I just wanted to know if other men had been in a similar situation, and how they acted or wished they had acted. I said as much to the AskMen moderators, but I never heard back. Made me feel like I'd done something wrong just for asking for a male perspective on dating.

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EDIT: Thanks for the advice, guys. I'm definitely coming to AskTRP the next time I need some feedback.

[–]DailyManliness 39 points40 points  (2 children)

use asktrp, no censoring of questions like that and you don't need to include what kind of pads the woman enjoys

[–]GoingTheHardWay 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Just don't ask on a Friday or saturday night... you don't exactly get the cream of the crop answering.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

cuz the cream of the crop is out and about at those times!

[–]1-drukpa-kunley- 37 points38 points  (1 child)

The first thing is to make sure your mind is in the right place before proceeding. Understand WHY you are interested in pursuing Kate and what your expectations are. You'll have a better chance of success if your expectations are aligned with the Red Pill theories of how the sexual marketplace works.

If you decide to pursue her, do not apologize for your actions and do not discuss the previous event. Act like it never happened. Simply ask her to accompany you on one of your outings. "Hey sexy, I'm going to be at X place at Y time- come meet me"

Notice what is going on in that text.
1. It is a command.
2. You don't give a fuck about using proper punctuation because you are too busy (deliberately left out the periods). This communicates that you aren't overly invested in her.
3. It has the word "sexy" in it. You are letting her know up front what your expectations are: sex.

She'll agree or not. Pay attention to her actions after you ask. Don't listen to her words. If she expends effort in making the next meeting happen (I can't make it then but how about X day), that is good (she is investing in you). When attempting to seduce, always err on the side of bold action. And I mean action, not words. You can't negotiate attraction. Be prepared for her to shit-test you and give you shit about talking to that other girl. Read up on how to deal with shit tests. Women give you shit to make sure you ARE the shit.

Do not overly invest in the outcome of this one event (be outcome independent). Realize that you are a salesperson selling yourself. You are attempting to fill the pipeline with as many potential deals as possible. Kate is one prospective deal. Either you close or you don't. Try to work another deal at the same time. This will help establish abundance mentality, which means you are not overly emotionally invested in the outcome of this one sale.

Welcome to Team Awesome. Glad you're here.

[–]Askada 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And that are the answers men are looking for.

TRP is fucking awesome.

[–]zxDanKwan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

BTW: the answer to your question is that Kate was upset you were giving someone else your attention. She was hoping you'd chase after her and apologize and try to make it up to her. That's how she bends you into her frame.

Your best bet was to let her go off and be pouty somewhere else. Don't engage in her narrative. You're the start of the scene, so anyone who walks off stage is out until they return.

Six months later, there's not much to say to bring that case back, but you should have followed up with a call at the next appropriate time to speak with her asking if she wanted to go out on another date, you enjoyed yourself and would like to go again. Don't pay any attention to the friend you talked with, or her reaction to it.

[–]harsha_hs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this sort of thing belongs to TRP. To answer you, you shouldn't care abt Kate and do what the fuck you want to do. If u want to fuck her, make advances, else mind your own business.

[–]Magnum256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats actually retarded that the mod would criticize your post in such a way. Thats the kind of criticism one might expect in the science or psychology subreddit where things can be analyzed objectively, but your question was purely subjective and matter of opinion, as nearly all relationship discussions are.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What type of post was it an FAQ?

[–]foldpak111 75 points76 points  (7 children)

Dude the mods on AskMen are women. I dream of the day those quack SJWs/feminists fall. It will be glorious and I'll ride whatever momentum we get with such ferocity they'll never bounce back. And then some.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Dude the mods on AskMen are women.

As in “pussies“, or actually lacking the good chromosome?

[–]JablesRadio 8 points9 points  (2 children)

The western world will have to fall for anything such as that to happen. The majority of people see things in ways very similar to our own, here. However, the minority SJW and the ilk scream far louder. It doesn't help that basically all major news organizations produce related stories with the false narrative that a large majority of people see things this way, too. News flash - They don't. That's exactly why they have to scream so loud.

All that said; even with a large silent majority the beltway, media, and volume of a few has some deeply entrenched roots that I honestly don't see anyway around without a total reformatting of western culture.

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I hope I'm wrong.

[–]zue3 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It cannot be reformatted. The west is even starting to influence traditional values in Asia. The current generation is completely fucked and its only going to get worse. All because of Western influence. You fools have not only dug your own grave but also those of men everywhere. Thanks for that, assholes.

[–]chinawinsworlds 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not my generation's fault. I'd say it goes back to world war 1 and 2, too many men died and left their children to become pussies raised by mothers and stepdads. That allowed feminism to grow. Fuck those wars.

[–]ForensicFungineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We'll never beat them here, because this is all they have. Continue to kick ass in your day to day life, where things actually matter.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Redditdotcom by definition is BP as fuck. It's the perfectly engineered time waster.

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[–]RPFlame 6 points7 points  (1 child)

There are also lots of men browsing Reddit from work (then they wonder why their career is a dead-end but that's another story).

[–]GoingTheHardWay 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Even the MGTOW sub is almost certainly coopted.

A large portion of their posts are nearly content-less hate speach against women. I'm not against outlining examples and having a dialog about it, but just posting a single image that says "Women are total shit and only sever as cum dumpsters" is fucking odd for a sub that's not even supposed to be about women at all. Next to none of the content is about going your own way or improving your life anymore. In fact, the vast majority of posts are focusing on women and feminism.

Oddly enough in a thread about brigading and suspicious accounts posting shit post content and forcing it to the front page, I was banned for pointing out that the number of shit posts reaching the front page made it look like a "hate speach" subreddit and that there appeared to be a concerted effort to have that sub shut down or de-legitimized with said content.

Previous posts about the lack of quality over the past few months had been met with accusations of "concern trolling".

Needless to say, the mods here have done an outstanding job stemming the flow of destructive influences here.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Many many MGTOW aren't really MGTOW, but are just too lazy to better thenselves amd use those strawmen to avoid having to face the reality that they got a shitty lofe and lack the power to turn it around. This then results in the severe anger.

I'd personally consider myself at least sympathizing with the MGTOW ideas, so no beef to those, who really are.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's like those girly breakup songs that hit T40 every 6-12 months where the theme of the song is "i don't care, i really don't care." ... bull fucking shit... if she didn't care, she wouldn't have a song broadcast on every T40 radio station. going that far about something is the direct opposite of "not caring."

there's nothing inherently wrong with MGTOW... just that posers will think it's cool and fake it, while SJWs/feminists will use agent provocateur / false flag tricks to get the sub banned.

[–]broskiatwork 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Men's Rights is still safe, though admittingly this might not 'belong' there. Then again... it is about men's rights in a way. Who's to say (though I doubt they'd tell him to shove off).

[–]SmilingWatermelon 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This is what they do. Your story...your life is a prime example of the destructive powers women have.

They silence you because you preach the truth. Don't stop preaching. Teach the younger generations.

Thank you for sharing your story.

[–]flip69 24 points25 points  (14 children)

It's the SJW's and their damn narrative that they want to see (Just look at a lot of the recent Ozzy & Sharon Osbourne threads where they're all joyful that Sharron's got the house and kids "behind her" because Ozzy is such a "horrible guy").


You're young Legion327 and you made some mistakes that is true. But the situation isn't hopeless you can do your research and fight for your children back, it's going to take time but it's entirely possible. My friend's done it with his baby mamma's and you can as well. (He's got complete 100% custody of all 3 of his kids)

Here's something that's going to be hard to hear but you have to have it said.

Given her behavior, IT IS VERY POSSIBLE that she's cheated on you before the MP and that the child is not your own biological son.

This has also happened with one of my friends (former Military).

The real reason why she wants control over the child is because she's aware that as more time goes on you might very well realize that it's not your kid and a simple DNA test will prove you're not the father. The custody will go back to her (and perhaps him once identified) and that she'll lose all those nice benefits and monthly child support paycheck. Her being nice to you for a long as she was is perhaps her drawing out the clock - depending on the state and local laws there's a time limit on when a husband can sue over paternity.

Women do this A LOT more than what people talk about (Military), it's very likely a old highschool "friend" or someone else that she's met while you weren't within eyesight.

Anyway, she ran off and left you with the kid, now she's had some time to establish herself with someone new (perhaps that old HS friend?) she's going to use you for the paycheck by getting full custody where the kid can be raised by his natural biological father (or someone else).

This is pretty much what happened to my friend... including his having to quit his job (VA) and much more. He was also targeted by a young woman and used blindly for years before she leapfrogged and left him paying child support for a kid that isn't his own blood.

So....

What I suggest is that you get your lawyer to force a paternity test and have her go and take the child in to a facility where it can blood drawn to compare to your DNA.

You have a time limit on this (depending on the state). Again, the longer you wait the worse off you'll be. You'll always have some latitude but the sooner you act the better.

It's something that many women have done because it's VERY DIFFICULT for men to face that possibility and many men don't want to deal with it. Women always know it's theirs when it comes out. But most men don't even do the math for when their children are conceived and trust me, WOMEN LIE! When faced with the hundreds of thousands of dollars they can take from you (and out of the mouths of any future biological children you may have when remarried) it's really worth biting the bullet, facing this head on and forcing the test on her.

Get that out of the way ASAP.

Then once confirmed, you'll (ironically) have a stronger case for your custody right OR you can challenge the assumed paternity and get out from underneath her entirely.

As odd as it may seem, in the USA actual paternity doesn't come into play at court when someone is married like it should be. Blame this on the feminists in the 1970's and their fighting over divorce and the writing of child support laws. Children come first and infidelity doesn't carry weight in the court, what carries weight is that you signed a marriage license and got listed on the birth certificate. Hospitals have taken the position that they don't carry out paternity testing when a child is born to avoid all the drama of husbands finding out that the child isn't theirs up to 30% of the time. Also, IF you accept the child by helping raise him for a period of time (like you did), it means that you're legally obligated in many states for child support.

You think that her up and leaving you wasn't about something more? ... She likely already spoke to a lawyer about it LONG BEFORE she left you without a word. Even if she hasn't, there's also these kinds of knitting circles sharing of info among military wives that I used to hear a lot of when growing up coming out of the next room as a kid - they share info when they gossip in the kitchen. I had a former military wife (neighbor) that went slutting around for years targeting only Military guys so she "could settle down". When questioned why (after a few drinks with her roommate) I heard all about how she liked the benefits they get and that how they're gone for half the year so she doesn't actually have to live with someone, .... etc.

The best quote was "I just want to find someone I can deal with.", No where in that entire conversation did she say anything about "love" or commitment. It was purely a financial motivation for her and I know that she's not alone in this opinion... there's lots of women like that out there.

I'm thinking that you were targeted by someone like this.

So start working on facts and assume nothing.
Establish that the child is in fact yours then go on from there.

Also communicate via texts if you have too and keep a record of all of it. The lawyers are nice but your ex is less likely to slip up when she's going through her lawyer to pass info to your lawyer. IF you communicate via text she can give you all the info you need ON RECORD. Keep your head screwed on tight because texting IS a double edge sword and she obviously knows your buttons to push.

Hope you read this & good luck!

TL:DR

Talk to the lawyer - Get a DNA test on the kid ASAP! Chances are that this is a larger setup than what you currently imagine.

[–]zenkibudo 4 points5 points  (11 children)

Pretty damn awesome advice, have an upvote. ♂

[–]flip69 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Thanks... I've kept my eyes opened and have learned from my friends examples (male and female).

[–]2legion327[S] 8 points9 points  (9 children)

This would be good advice is I was still 22 and the divorce had just happened. Perhaps you didn't read the "EDIT" portion at the bottom of the post? This was all 9 years ago. He's been raised as my son for the last 9 years. I have him with me every other weekend and all summer long. We even play PS4 every Wednesday night too online together. Bottom line -- whether he's mine or not biologically at this point is totally irrelevant. He's my son. No test changes that.

That said, the kid looks exactly like I did at that age and even his personality is eerily similar as well. I have very very little doubt he's mine but again, I couldn't care less if he is or not at this point. He's still my boy.

I'm sure as hell not about to go get him tested and then, on the off chance that he isn't, just suddenly stop loving my only son that I've centered my entire life and all my efforts around for damn near a decade. That wouldn't make any sense.

[–]perkam 6 points7 points  (5 children)

He's my son. No test changes that.

The test doesn't change whether you love your son, but it does change whether or not you pay the price for her infidelity.

Think about it, ever hear a woman talk about a child that isn't hers as "he's still my son"?

[–]2legion327[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Agreed but at this point I'm fiscally successful. The amount I pay for child support doesn't reduce my own standard of living to any appreciable degree and it improves his standard of living tremendously because she's still working a near-minimum-wage job. Can confirm she does actually spend the child support on him, not on superfluous BS. If I don't miss the money and he gets shoes and clothes and food out of it, then why not? I'd buy him that crap anyway if he was here with me primarily instead.

[–]perkam 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You seem to have a lot of faith in her character even after everything she's done to you.

Not a good sign, dude.

[–]2legion327[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You have to understand the context. This was all 9 years ago when she was 21 and young and stupid and thirsty. She's had a very long time to grow up since all this happened. She's actually a damn good mother now. I obviously would never entertain a LTR with her again due to trust issues, but she does do right by our son these days. She loves him more than anything and it's obvious by how she treats him and provides for him as best as she's able. She's actually got him in a private school because the local public school system where she lives is one of the worst in the US.

It's not faith in her character but rather simple observation and verifiable evidence. Trust me, I wouldn't ever simply take it for granted without proof. That would be foolish.

[–]flip69 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sorry that I didn't catch the edit.

I understand... perhaps someone else will read what i wrote and it'll help them in their "fresh" situation.

Bests!

[–]2legion327[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hope so, it's damn fine advice for someone who this is happening to currently. Frankly, I wish I'd done it back then, but it is what it is now. Whole point of the post was to help young guys going through a similar situation so I hope they read what you wrote.

[–]flip69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed and in case I haven't specifically said it. Good for you for being one to stand up and be a good father.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I can understand the TIFU one being deleted because they are generally written for laughs/entertainment.

Relationships is white knight heaven. All morons. Glad you found TRP things will only get better now

[–]1PrinceofSpades 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Of course you are; people don't want to take the pill and learn the dark truth of the world. They like their happy little make believes where their girlfriend hasn't left them for someone better yet. They like thinking this shit doesn't happen every. Single. Day.

There is no justice in the world. There is no more joy than what you create for yourself. Be thankful you still have your life, your looks, and your health. Not everyone gets off so easily, or so early. You're here now. Welcome to the last bastion of strangers to listen to your problems and actually help you with them. Don't be afraid to cry. You have the right to. Plus, there aren't any women around, so you can take an honest moment and let yourself be emotionally weak. Just remember to give yourself an appropriate amount of time, then get back on the horse and push forwards. Always. Push. Forwards.

[–]SleepingSlave 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Yeah don't bother with Relationships or any of those subs, very SJW now.

I can second this. Relationships is a shit hole that believes that no matter what is going on in your relationship, the male is the bad guy. I disagreed, which was the first and last mistake I ever made there.

EDIT: changed never to ever.

[–]PIGamer86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Does nobody here think men should have ANY fucking reproductive rights!?"

banned.

[–]foldpak111 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Never forget that we are male aka subhuman pieces of amphibian shit. I'm not even surprised reading your story, which is even more disturbing than what happened to you. Says a lot about the society we live in.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This came across my frontpage, I remember reading it and being furious. As far as I remember its word for word. Family court is a farce.

[–]Nydusurmainus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It will be one particular moderator.

[–]Kite23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your service! Im very sorry life went to shit for you so quick. I'm happy to see you moved on and hope others will learn from this story.

[–]DailyManliness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you, that's insane, well I'm glad you sought out a location that is open to all stories and won't silence you. It would be great if they had to explain whey they're censoring stories, there should be accountability on major groups that people can't be censored who genuinely look for help. I believe that's what you were doing which is why this is inexcusable.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

of course you are man. it goes against the feminist... I mean Reddit narrative

[–]maxbrooksmacbook 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It shocks me that the mods would do something so overt. No reason, really? They didn't even try to say you broke a subreddit rule?

[–]2legion327[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The rule cited was "2d: Not your fault." This was clearly false as I specifically mention the things I fucked up in the post. There's an entire paragraph in the post dedicated to outlining specifically where I fucked up. Therefore, this was a non-reason. I still feel that no actual or valid explanation was provided. So again, I can only assume the post was threatening in some way.

[–]prodigy2throw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that whole Jenny store from a few months back wasn't the OPs fault either. Yet they kept that up.

That excuse was bullshit.

[–]surfjihad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome to Reddit in the SJW years

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome to the feminist hell we live in.

[–]yomo86 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I feel for this dude. The song of Ice and Fire ie Divorce and Custody always goes the same.

Man falls in Love

Man marries girl because reasons

Man has children mark my words: planned children are somewhat the exception than the rule

Man becomes soft - meaning he treats his woman like a man ie respect, honor and the benefit of the doubt

Man gets served

Man forgets to lawyer up because this would mean he has to take the gloves off and go to war with his own wife

Man loses, systems butt fucks him with CS and alimony for the next 25 years.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

This. It's happened thousands of times and men still act surprised when it happens to them. I don't blame them though, because they drank the bluepill punch served to them left and right. "Oh, don't think about those divorce stories, just pick the right woman!"

There is no right woman. 75% of divorces are initiated by women with the reason listed as "dissatisfaction." I'm not familiar with alimony costs (obviously it varies) but I know a lowball estimate is $500 a month. After five years that's 30 grand. Would any man really leave 30 grand in a suitcase on the table and trust someone not to steal it if they could get away with it completely legally?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its more that people don't think that their SO could become a subhuman piece of shit at the drop of a hat

[–]DeltaRecon2552 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It is exactly the same. I read it on TIFU

[–]Stank999 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can confirm that this is the exact post. This kind of thing pisses me off. Also, I'm glad there's a place he could post this.

[–]Boovs4life 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I actually commented on that post "this is going to be on TRP. I guarantee it." Naturally, i got downvoted to oblivion.

[–]Askada 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's why you never mention TRP outside TRP.

[–]malariasucks -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

or maybe they were both simply immature and starting a fam while immature and working 80 hours a week in the military and having to get deployed just wasnt the best decision...

[–]DailyManliness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. That has nothing to do with censorship 2. "Wasn't the best decision" as though a "decision" is really able to be made or even if it were that it's an excuse

[–]loadsamonay -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

No you need the red pill to establish strawmen and justify your own bigotry

[–]DailyManliness 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Why was this servicemen with a legitimate upsetting story silenced from getting help? Is he not worthy of assistance because he's a man? Is he not worthy of help because a woman wronged him, and that's not allowed to be discussed?

Why was the post deleted? Dance around all you want, but you will have no answer, and thus are wrong. Continue reaching and making excuses and changing the topic. A man sought help about his relationship in a relationship area and was not allowed to do so because a woman was at fault. No excuses. Enjoy your lies, I look forward to no response from you.

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[–]DailyManliness 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank you for proving my point. When you have a legitimate response to what I said let me know. You won't. So I look forward to 1. No more posts 2. More posts akin to whatever that emotional outburst just was 3. (what I originally thought would happen) comments about TRP that have zero to do with the topic/questions at hand.

My prediction, you continue on the emotional outburst saying I went on an emotional outburst, and just continue to move further away from what I asked. Say as you wish about TRP, but it's needed as a place where men aren't silenced. There was/is no excuse for this to have been deleted anywhere else and both of your comments (and soon to be 3rd) will not be able to rationalize it. So devolve into irrelevant arguments/namecalling, you can't argue the point, and each time you post avoiding the questions bolsters exactly what I said originally. So, thank you in advance for being pissed off about TRP and furthering the need for it<3

[–]VigilantRedRooster 78 points79 points  (9 children)

I'm surprised the part about the MP getting in deep shit with the chain of command wasn't part of this story. Doesn't the military take adultery quite seriously, especially when it ends an innocent soldier's enlistment?

[–]On_Parole_from_Hell 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Just like most things, adultery has to be proven and it is one of the hardest things to prove. At most, the military will issue a no contact order.

If you are well liked, nothing will happen to you.

[–]2legion327[S] 69 points70 points  (1 child)

This. Exactly what happened. Guy got off. Military police, just like civilian police, watch out for their own even when they're wrong.

[–]zenkibudo 16 points17 points  (0 children)

yes yes yes. The only way most Commanders get adulterers courts martialed/Art 15'd is via their confession. Without that or some photographic-dimwitted-posted-my-fuck-to-facebook evidence, it's a slim case indeed.

[–]zenkibudo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

absolutely - punishable under the UCMJ, however... (more details in reply to /u/legion327, below)

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

They do. It's not always enforced teh same everywhere, but it's on the books as illegal for the guy

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol, it's rampant... Best not to get angry. All the hypergamy people talk about here is amplified there.

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[–]2legion327[S] 50 points51 points  (3 children)

I was a code 3 for re-enlistment based on how they put me out. This basically means that because they put me out due to a family hardship discharge, they are going to operate on the assumption that that hardship continues to exist unless proven otherwise and even then they've gotta make an exception. Bottom line, technically it's possible but unlikely. Ultimately, I moved on, did college, got a good job working a for a law firm and I've moved up the ladder there too. I can more than provide for my boy so I'm good with what I'm doing now. Still miss the Army sometimes though.

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[–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since when is it misogyny to call a dumb whore a dumb whore

[–]2legion327[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's high praise, brother. Thank you.

Having done something similar, I can tell you that there is no sweeter revenge than success.

100% accurate and this is what I live by.

[–]240mikex 17 points18 points  (2 children)

You can never fucking escape Jody. Yes my friend he's always around.

I feel your pain brother happened to me with 2 girls while I was in the Marines. But not to your extent. Girls are never faithful when you are active duty.

Watching your guys leave fuck man. I would of cried too man. I'm getting choked up reading this. Brothers in arms are fucking blood in my book.

My thoughts and prayers with you brother, keep attacking.

Why the did they discharge you? That doesn't make sense.

AWALT

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Girls are never faithful when you are active duty.

Yep I know an Army wife right now who's cheating on her husband right now. I really don't get why any man in the military gets married. This is why we need the red pill. This is real fucking shit.

Why the did they discharge you? That doesn't make sense.

You can't be a single parent on active duty. If you're a single parent you can't enlist unless you transfer custody of your child. Especially in the case of a deployment. Since his wife left him and there was no one to give custody to he was fucked.

[–]covertpenguin3390 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Straight up man... I'm at flight school with all "officers" and it still doesn't make a difference. Every single girl here who's learning to fly and left their man at home has cheated (of the girls I've met). It's insane. Good amount of the guys have too. I even had a chance to bang one who's husband was back home with her kid!! And her husband was enlisted in the army as well. I gave it a hard next out of my own morals and not wanting a GOMAR, but I'm sure someone else hit it immediately after.

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[–]1rporion 251 points252 points  (10 children)

Aaaaand for all the blue pill trolls who wonder why we even exist...

Because you delete those voices, you silence them, you cannot bear the mere thought that they even might be true....

Well, you thought they would stay silent forever just so that your childish fantasies may endure?

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (7 children)

Is it possible that this is because blue pillers simply don't get laid or get into relationships with attractive women? Every blue pill mangina I know is dating some ham beast feminist, okay with getting cuck'd or both.

[–]RPFlame 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Blue pillers don't get laid because they even censor their own self: Their sexual urges, their primal instincts, the potential of their male body in terms of building knowledge and muscle. They're even so damn uncomfortable with their sexuality and that's why NoFap is a thing. It's not about quitting porn, it's about shaming the act of feeling arousal towards a hot girl in the class.

I've read some cringe-worthy shit there, like a guy was basically saying "shame on me for wanting to have sex with a girl I don't know her name yet because I haven't found the balls to talk to her", and another one who was struggling to chat up a girl because he couldn't find a neutral positive thing to say that isn't about her silhouette.

Just check some random thread from there

Everybody has their specific reasons. Some want the "super powers", others want to stop supporting an industry that dehumanizes women, etc.

One of the reasonings it to "stop supporting an industry that DEHUMANIZES women". God forbid, women being responsible for their choice to do porn? No, it's the INDUSTRY that it's at fault!

As I said below, do it for the right reasons. Do it out of self-respect for not wanting to be the guy who grabs his dick and watches the muscular men fuck the brains out of a girl while they fleetingly imagine they are him seconds before they cum.

[–]Mudpielol 14 points15 points  (3 children)

nofap for me is about quitting porn and jerking off, and it is working for me. Now, as everywhere on the interwebz there will be idiots who proclaim "superpowers" simply just because they stopped watching pron and jerking off.

It helps me get over my mental blocks that I have about interacting with women. It boosted my self confidence indirectly, I just want to work out now and feel more energetic, and want to do more with my life. It helps me have purpose.

No, women are not falling into my dick left and right just because I stopped jerking off and watching porn. But I am becoming a better man because I don't want to do it anympre. Just because I don't want to watch porn and jerk off does not mean I am not attracted to women, and I don't want to have sex with them.

It works for me.

[–]RPFlame 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Quitting with the right mindset is good - "I don't need this anymore". Quitting with the bad mindset - "omg, I feel so bad I get boners I objectify womyn" - won't get you much. Why? Because you keep having the wrong idea about yourself.

Their issues are deeper than masturbation. They are insecure with their sexuality. I'm not criticizing the choice of abstinence from masturbation, but the motivational reasons.

The best thing I've done after starting programming is quitting masturbation. There's something animalistic (if that's the right word) when I approach a girl and I have a boner. My brain that moment goes "I know I can fuck you hard, and I'm sure you will like it" without thinking twice about it. That gives me confidence, because you know, I can deliver the results if we get there, if we don't there's always the next one. (also responding to /u/StoicCrane to avoid replicating the majority of my post).

[–]Mudpielol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that sounds like the correct approach to me. I think in most things you learn, use what works for you and discard what it does not. Lots of people lots of approaches.

[–]1StoicCrane 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's good to kick the habit but ultimate anyone who resist their primal instincts sets themselves up for failure in the long-run. Humans are a delicate balance between divinity and savagery. Reject one aspect and the other goes awry.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The rabbit holes goes a LOT deeper than this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, you thought they would stay silent forever just so that your childish fantasies may endure?

Enter the mind of a liberal.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, usually they have this part too

I'm re-married

9 years to 'figure out all the mistakes', except the big one. Maybe he'll learn next time

[–]NietzscheExplosion 150 points151 points  (22 children)

Somehow I think your post is not going to be deleted... Not really the form they like here, but it's a good FR.(Classic quite frankly).

Read the sidebar, Prepare for Misandry bubble bursting, get revenge.

Edit: Ok I wasn't going to say this but I can't help it. You need to have a paternity test done to see if that's your son.

[–]2legion327[S] 87 points88 points  (21 children)

He's 9 years old now. I've thought about it now and then but at this point, it wouldn't change a damn thing. I'd still pay the child support because I want to provide for him and I'd still see him every other weekend and summers... because he's my boy. No test is changing that. So why waste the $50? (Or however much it would cost)

All that said, he looks exactly like I did at that age and his personality is just like mine too, so I have little doubt that he is mine biologically.

His mother actually recently commented (jokingly) "I divorced you to get away from you and now I'm stuck with you anyway because he's just the shorter version."

I (also jokingly) replied "Gotcha, bitch."

[–]NietzscheExplosion 25 points26 points  (8 children)

Fair enough. Anyway, it seems like you are ok now. Keep telling this story though.

[–]2legion327[S] 59 points60 points  (7 children)

Yeah that's what I was trying to do until I started getting censored all to hell. I've been sitting on this for nearly a decade and never told this story publicly. To be frank, it took a fair amount of fortitude to put this out there but I figure there's folks who could learn from and appreciate it and hopefully not make some of the same choices I did. I massively underestimated how true that was based on the overwhelming response I received... right up until I was silenced.

[–]aanarchist 51 points52 points  (1 child)

didn't you get the memo? any story that paints a woman in a bad light is politically incorrect, defamation and grounds for a false rape accusation.

[–]Borsao66 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or in my case, false stalking charges.

[–]foldpak111 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You're always going to have a place here, sir. We're like the eye of the storm. Everyone around us is batshit crazy and we're the calm individuals telling it how it is.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What's sad is that while it took a lot for you personally to post this, I found this just one of a hundred similar stories I've read over the years here on trp. It didn't emotionally shock me as much.

Jaded? Maybe.

The fact that I wasn't shocked is, to me, more telling than the actual story itself.

Your story goes into the collection of stories which helps young men open their eyes to the hidden savage nature of our world, so I have no doubt your story will have an impact to some degree.

[–]slimcoat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To be frank, it took a fair amount of fortitude to put this out there

I know this feeling -- the feeling that you've done something horribly wrong and you're ashamed to admit it, when deep down in your gut you know you've done absolutely nothing wrong. So you remain silent because it's just easier.

[–]FreyWill 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What's your relationship with the mother like now?

[–]2legion327[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Actually pretty good. We co-parent and generally agree on parenting approach and practices. This was all 9 years ago so there's been plenty of time for the bad blood between us to subside. We never talk shit about each other to him and if we have a disagreement with each other about something regarding him (which is pretty rare,) it's never discussed in his presence. Parents that talk trash about the other parent to their kid are the lowest scum. It's not a child's job to be a fucking therapist. Who's the adult at that point?

[–]truthyego 21 points22 points  (6 children)

I think when he's 12 he can decide which parent he wants to live with. That's perfect, cause that's about when puberty starts, and the time where a boy especially needs his father to show him how to be a man. A RP man.

[–]UCISee 20 points21 points  (5 children)

This is a very common misconception. I went through this when I was about 14 and the judge could not have cared less what I had to say. You're a child in a courtroom, they literally do not take your opinion into account for a millisecond.

That being said, thats my experience, not the rule.

[–]truthyego 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Probly varies state to state

[–]UCISee 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Agreed, but I'm in California, AKA the most liberal of all the states. I think if any state would follow this it would be California. Not to mention that when we say "The court will listen..." What we really mean is the judge. If the judge sees a good case on one side, a bad case on the other, and a kid in the middle pointing to the bad case, do you really think the judge is going to send them the way of the bad case? Judges oversee cases. They don't care what a child wants. You cant even buy a nude magazine at 14 how are you supposed to know whats good for you? This is the thinking that it has to pass. Remember, OJ got off in a court of law.

[–]broffesorpabst 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Our family court system is a money making messed up place...

[–]AnewAccount98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seconded. NJ, USA. Tried at 14 and then 16. Judge couldn't have cared less.

[–]Clicint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went through a custody battle when I was like 9-10. I wanted to live with my mom, not my dad. Back in those days, about ten or eleven years ago, my dad was not a good person. He was clinically depressed, drunk all the time, messy, and a bad parent. My stepmom was a controlling psychopath, and I later found out that she was a major contributor to his problems. My mom did everything she could for me and more. My stepmom had my dad falsely accuse my mom of drug abuse, and that was brought up in court. I was brought into a room with lawyers from both of my parents and they had me give my opinion. So I did.

Court ends, I'm sent to live with my dad. He was pretty absent and I was largely left to my stepmom most of the time. She was a hyper Christian conservative, and I had to live my life a certain way, I couldn't watch certain TV shows, I couldn't read books she didn't like, couldn't hang out with any friends she didn't like... She basically wanted to make me into her. Eventually, I developed depression myself. She sent me to a therapist, who came to the conclusion that I was depressed because I hated her. She fired him. During those days, visitation weekends every other week were the only moments that I was happy.

Fast forward five years, my dad and my stepmom divorced. With my dad's life now in shambles, I was sent to live with my mom. Suddenly I could actually be a kid and have my own life. It was different. It was the life I wanted.

But the judge didn't care about that. My life was hell for 5 years because a judge didn't think my opinion was worth listening to. Yeah, fuck the custody system.

Sorry, didn't mean to rant here. Just kinda happened.

Also, my dad is much better now. He's sober, he has a great job, he has a new girlfriend that I love dearly and she's very good to all of us. Everything changed for the better once my stepmom got out of our lives.

[–]vagbutters 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You should still get the paternity test. Raising another man's child isn't a joke, and regardless of how you feel about your son now, you ought to know the truth

[–]RPFlame 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe for you but try to get in his shoes once he grows up and he might want to meet his biological father (assuming that it's not you here, for the sake of the argument).

It's not just about you, it's also about him.

Then again, if his biological dad doesn't give a fuck, is there even a point to look for him?

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude, this is some 'Gone girl' shit.

[–]RedSugarPill 139 points140 points  (10 children)

Over 2000 points at tifu, lots of nice comments and support, and deleted. And no record of submission in relationships, which I can't understand. This is not social justice or feminism; it's plain evil censorship. We are at war, gentlemen.

[–]foldpak111 24 points25 points  (2 children)

You sound like a modern-day King Leonidas.

I like it.

[–]NietzscheExplosion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

THIS IS REDPILL! kick to the bluepills

[–]vagbutters 10 points11 points  (6 children)

This is what leftism produces-- damaged women, emasculated men, and censorship of anything that goes against the grain of what is preached.

[–]PanzerBatallion 1 point2 points  (5 children)

As opposed to what? Conservatism? Which brought us such gems as "Abstinence only" and "We're not teaching evolution because it's a theory"?

Get off the political circle jerk.

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I never said that conservatism is the way to go; however, certain elements of conservatism have historically been RP.

It's less of a circlejerk and more of a reality. Leftism definitively brought upon feminism on our society amongst other things.

[–]PanzerBatallion 0 points1 point  (3 children)

And conservatism by definition prevents progress, in many arenas.

Without a liberal push, blacks would still be 3/5's of a person, don't forget that.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm sure it does-- you seem to have your panties in a bunch over the condemnation of liberalism. Both have their place, but let's not forget the current social and legal catastrophes are products of leftism.

[–]PanzerBatallion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Go ahead and don't forget whatever you want, I'm just reminding you to not forget all the other shit the other side wants that is completely and totally fucking ridiculous as well. You can't just spout out political stance bullshit and then claim it's not about a political stance.

There's no reason to mention the political spectrum unless you're on the opposite side of it, and then if you're going to do that, be prepared to have all the retarded shit your side does thrown in your face. Maybe if the right wasn't such a fucking joke in this day and age and spent more time worrying about shit that matters rather than trying to outlaw abortion, outlaw education, decide who can get married and decide who can shit on what fucking toilet, we'd be in a better state now.

Unfortunately, it's hard to throw stones when that's the platform you hitch your wagon to.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no reason to mention the political spectrum unless you're on the opposite side of it

Ah therein lies the rub. Like every other libertard who gets confrontational when his stupid ideologies are brought up, you think that the other person is somehow a conservative neo-nazi. Sorry bub, there's no agenda here, just a person pointing out the huge defects that leftism has produced in the past few decades

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 36 points37 points  (0 children)

That's enough rage porn for today.

[–]TheVictor333 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I read the original topic and saw a comment from you saying you got married again.

"Fool me once, shame on you..."

[–]Specter242 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Fool me twice can't put the blame on you" "Fool me three times f$#* the peace sign load the chopper let it rain on you"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah it's funny how he said he had so long to figure out all the mistakes he made, but still did the biggest one. that's where all the problems start from

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Well, if it makes you feel any better it's highly unlikely you would have won custody even without that recording and if you'd done everything right. A friend of mine is a lawyer and sums up custody cases with two words: mom wins.

So while it was a bad idea to not listen to your lawyer, it probably was not why you lost. Not having a vagina is why you lost.

[–]topapito 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The voting system here is broken, it only let me upvote you once.

[–]Moneyley 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Youre right. If anything it helped that he lost quicker. His fuck up just made the developments unfurl quicker. Had he not admitted to the things he did she couldve attempted to mindfuck him even more and even proven him unstable.

He was already vulnerable. She wanted to go for a quick settlement. The longer communication was open the more dumber things he couldve said.

Im glad he has overcome this

[–]wedsngr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been told multiple times that I almost have more rights/leverage not being married to my kids' mother than I would if we had tied the knot. Don't know how true that is in practice, but I'm not walking down that aisle with stories like this. Geezus.

[–]iamz3ro 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Men cry to relieve pain. Women cry to gain attention.

[–]ErenYeager91 120 points121 points  (18 children)

First, thank you for this story and for opening up to us. Hope you can pull yourself out of this state.

She opened up to me about how her dad had raped her when she was 9. My heart went out to her and we kept >in touch for several months even after I left to go back to Korea.

This was your first mistake. I never trust a woman that says she was raped. In fact, that is a huge red flag.

I know a girl that was raped at her young age. That girl always sits in the last row because she can't stand for someone to be behind her. She can't look you in the eyes. And no matter what, she never said anything about her experience. (I know that she was raped because I know her mother.) The level of her trauma is so high that when some bitch says to me she was raped, I just laugh at her, because I know what a real victim look like.

Remember, a girl that "opens" to you how she was raped in first few dates, is mostly just manipulating you or herself, acting as some victim. Run away from those bitches and don't try to fix or save them.

[–]LippyMinded 73 points74 points  (4 children)

If the story is true, run away. You're not qualified to handle a real rape victim. If the story isn't true, run away. You're not qualified to handle this level of narcissism and psychopathy. Either way, run the fuck away if you ever hear the rape word.

[–]reckful994 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I heard this from a girl I was flirting with a few months back. At this point, she probably didn't know my last name off the top of her head, but she was comfortable enough to share that she was raped.

It was a hard next.

[–]Aziz_92 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I have written what you said down in my journal. Those are words of wisdom. Thank you.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is exactly correct.

I know because I lived through it with my ex-fiancee.

Regardless of what actually happened, I can tell you from hard won experience that the average man does not have the psychological and medical skill set required to handle this level of mental dysfunction.

You can't fix them. All you can do is remove yourself from the situation and move on with life.

[–]afkb39sdfb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To add, abuse too. If they ever say they were ever abuse (by a parent, relative, ex, etc.) it is a huge red. Real or made up, as LippyMinded said above, their nuts either way.

[–]Indigo_Monkey 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I never trust a woman that says she was raped. In fact, that is a huge red flag.

I believe this is correct. I once went on a date with a girl who I knew had been fucking with my roommate casually in the past; the only reason was because she was basically offering herself on a plate, obviously as a result I went into it quite suspicious. On that date of ours she told me she had been raped by some relative in the past. My first thought was "bullshit", you wouldn't tell me that if it were true, not here at a bar. I decided not to further any sexual relationship with her.

It turns out that she was only trying to get in bed with me to make the guy jealous for some scheme of getting him to want her. That was conniving and slimy.

[–]foldpak111 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Dealt with a couple almost LTR's who lied about this. Also knew a real rape victim (my sister). She never speaks of it and isn't very outgoing anymore.

[–]afkb39sdfb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Real" rape victims don't talk about it because of how traumatic it is. SJW "rape" victims use it for attention and are almost always liars.

[–]EvrythingISayIsRight 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I never trust a woman that says she was raped. In fact, that is a huge red flag.

Lol you wouldn't believe how many women have a rape story to share. Its almost as if they practice telling it in the mirror on a weekly basis so they can always have it prepped in their mind to tell everyone when the topic comes up.

[–]BleachedWhale 9 points10 points  (0 children)

After being all concerned and asking about my SO's rape (still cringe thinking how β), she ended up admitting

"It wasn't exactly rape"

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[–]EvrythingISayIsRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They want to be attractive enough to be raped.

They also do it to control your emotions. Any normal bluepill beta cuck would shower them with sympathy and say stuff like "Its not your fault" and "fuck that guy", even though they only heard one side of the story. If you don't listen and believe then you're a shitlord.

[–]Nyirripi 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So true it hurts. I wish this sub existed 40 years ago. I was so ignorant.

[–]321LTD123 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I never trust a woman that says she was raped. In fact, that is a huge red flag.

This is very very true. I dated a gorgeous sociopath when I was 19 years old who used this trick on me too. I retrospect, she liked sex anywhere and everywhere and worked in a sex toy shop, which leads me to believe she was lying. That and her story changed.

This was before any resource like TRP existed. Once I saw her true behavior, I realized all the stories she told me were the bedrock foundation to her manipulation routine. My instincts told me something was wrong and I got rid of her.

Always assume a female is a lying whore unless you know for a fact otherwise.

[–]jason1009 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me this is up there with women that have many visible retarded tattoos like dream catchers and shit. They are bat shit fucking crazy.

[–]Clicint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seriously man. Women who fake rape are the worst. I know what it looks like. An ex of mine was actually raped. She seemed normal, too. Never talked about it, no indication.

Until one night, I wake up and she's shaking and crying into her pillow. It took me thirty minutes just to get her calmed down enough to talk. That's when she told me.

And from then on I saw all of the things she had hidden from me because she thought I wouldn't be able to accept her. The anxiety attacks. The dissociative episodes (that's one of the scariest things you will ever see), the times she just seemed to shut down, the nightmares... It was painful to see.

People who make up shit like that are the fucking worst.

[–]aanarchist 44 points45 points  (19 children)

doesn't even sound like you were a beta, a military officer with his shit together. there's stories of guys who are fucking celebrities, the top 5% of men, who still got fucked over by some cunt.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 56 points57 points  (15 children)

"If I can land a Top 1% male, that means I could possibly land a Top 0.5% male! And if I can land a Top 0.5% male, that means I have a chance to land a Top 0.1% male!!!"

-Female logic

No such thing as good enough for a woman. They always think they can do better. It's like a gambler in a casino. Walks in saying "I'll be glad if I double my money". They double their money and say "If I doubled my money, I could triple it!". Greed sets in and they give all their money back to the house.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (10 children)

Which is why I don't understand dudes on TRP who think if you're just simply alpha enough, you won't get cheated on.

[–]LockeNDemosthenes 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Everyone can get cheated on - that's advertised here amply under the AWALT principle. But if someone was following RP tenets to their logical conclusion, their outcome independence and abundance mentality would let them brush off a cheating GF without giving a fuck.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Because they're bragging about their e-peen.

They want to think of the "other" as beta and themselves as "alpha" and there are so few places you can do that. But a lot of guys here are exaggerating or lying.

No one is alpha enough to be immune to the risks of AWALT.

I said in a previous thread - Elon Musk got divorce raped TWICE. You are not better than him. No one is immune.

[–]scottbrio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Holy shit- I just finished listening to the book about him. His ex-wife got like $30,000 a MONTH in alimony.

And then hearing his second wife talking about why they got remarried after freshly getting divorced... "I just felt like I'd never be able to connect with anyone in the same way again"... Meaning 'billions of dollars for life is much better than $30k a month for 18 years'

He's a mad genius dude but he's so BP it hurts.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

So you agree that all women are cheaters/sluts and there's no way to keep from being cheated on if you commit?

I don't believe in loyal women. And youre right, they just wanna be alpha. Even the most powerful rich alphas get cheated on. Women don't care. They have no loyalty and are not rational.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

You're clearly in the anger phase, which is good, it means you're on the path to swallowing the red pill.

The problem I have with your answer, while agreeing generally that the risk of marriage outweighs the potential benefits, is that women's nature can't really accurately be summarized as "cheater/slut". Hypergamy and branch swinging and two-pronged female sexual strategy aren't about having sex with as many guys as possible, and if you don't understand that then you don't yet understand those concepts.

[–]TonyZ554 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Female sexual strategy is about doing their best to be as best off in life as possible with a suitable mate(s) carrying that lifestyle correct? They want the potentially highest achievable status for them and part of that process involves using men?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't summarize it that way personally, but people have varying interpretations.

Read posts about two-fold sexual strategy (AF/BB) and hypergamy to understand it better.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See I believe that women do have the Dual AF/Bb mating strategy. They look for the best genes they can get and best provisions, and go to any means to get it. Their strafefg is amoral/immoral. However, they're so fucking irrational that they dont even always follow that. They'll cheat on alphas with loser betas (sometimes) just because they're not they're made. They need a variety of cock. I guess it all ddepends on how horny she is and who she sees as alpha/convenient in the moment huh?

[–]PlanB_pedofile 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Even the most seemingly alpha of men turn can be beta whipped.

Was just reading a story on porn star christy mack who got beaten by her boxer boyfriend (the war machine) after she was sleeping with another man after being broken up.

Dude, he's the war machine, but apparently not enough to satisfy a porn star. No that you should ltr a porn star in the first place. 2nd after breaking up, he had hard core oneitis and was stalking her. (Dude's smv is through the roof, why have oneitis over a slut?), then in rage beat her when she was with another dude..... yea, he clearly couldn't stand it when his ex gal who's had 99 dicks in her, went for a 100th

TRP is needed for men in all stages across all smv fields.

[–]GermanDude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That story really puts things in perspective. Love it. It just shows you really need to work hard to reframe your mind / control your emotions.

[–]reigorius 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not necessarily top 1% or 0.5%, it's just that what is available that seems better than what she is currently having. Hell, even the dog-walker is better because he makes her laugh and desired.

[–]aanarchist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

they give their money back to the house, put up all their possessions as collateral, take out massive loans from sharks, and end up in the streets addicted to heroin sucking dicks for 5 dollars a pop. insatiable is right.

[–]Ibex3D 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's just ridiculous.

I get at least 10 a head.

[–]malariasucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say that's 80% of women, maybe more. Not all are like that though

[–]ChadFuckingThunder 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's all about the environment. Op here is most definitely alpha, but he's only Sgt. There are a lot more people above him in a hierarchy and hypergamy loves it.

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[–]mugatucrazypills 21 points22 points  (2 children)

CARRY HER OWN CHILD of under 1 year's age, on a dick ride to cheat on her husband.

80% of women would do this for enough tingles. You need to stop thinking in terms of human concepts of morality.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

This. More like 95%. Very few women are good mothers. Thank God my mom is at least decent.

[–]Jester2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately this type of situation is all to common in the military. Lots of time away plus lots of high quality men in a small area is a recipe for disaster

[–]cheeky_throwaway101 33 points34 points  (4 children)

This is textbook redpill. And quite frankly it is only a good thing that they kicked you out of the other subreddits, it should come of no surprise to The Blue Pill etc. why TRP numbers are growing day by day.

[–]NietzscheExplosion 11 points12 points  (3 children)

That's right. Redpill loves all the good men... and the evil ones too. muhahahah

[–]TomFoo 27 points28 points  (2 children)

TRP is the answer to 'where did all the good men go?'

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

100% truth. Men who are smart, respectable, self confident, and motivated enough to be "the good men" are starting to realize that no woman will earn his long term commitment.

[–]MaleGoddess 28 points29 points  (0 children)

52% of marriages end up in divorce.

70% of divorces are initiated by the woman.

86% of custody cases women are awarded primary custody.

I can not say this enough.

Dude, my son's mother attempted suicide 3 times in one year, once in front of him. $20,000 and a year and a half later, "There's not enough to flip custody."

She fucking told my 7 year old son that she was going to end her life because no one loved her and downed as many pills as she could swallow. "not enough to flip custody."

I called CPS and all they could say is that it's emotional abuse, but not enough for them to do anything.

I'm still paying off my attorney fees a year later. I maxed out my credit cards, took out a personal loan, and refinanced my car just so I could continue this custody case, and just to be told "no".

Seriously, just don't have kids if you're a male in the US. You are fucked. No matter which way you look at it, you are fucked.

Current day, my son being raised by a mentally unstable cunt, I'm getting calls from the school every other week. When I went to pick him up from school today, he told the principle that "he has a gun and he's going to hurt me." Where the fuck do you think he heard that from? His own fucking mother a year ago when she refused me my weekend access to my son. She called the cops when I came to pick up my son, claimed I had a gun and she was scared of me, and all of this in front of him.

Edit: and being an army veteran, I feel your fucking pain.

When my son was 6 months old(his mother and I were never together, just some bitch who lied about being on birth control), I was a week out from deployment and her mother called to inform me that her daughter took off, she hadn't heard from her for 3 months, and she was filing for custody. I signed over my rights to her mother, and then by the time I was returning from deployment(I barely knew the chick, so I didn't know her mother was insane too), her mother was giving custody back to her because "she's ready to be responsible now."

[–]mehdreamer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"Raped by her father"

HUGE Red flag..

Guys, red flags are real...we should always listen to red flags

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 24 points25 points  (3 children)

AWALT.

I have a lot of friends in the military and they all get married to take advantage of the benefits. I don't get this because AWALT.

Women are always prone to branch swing. They have short term memories and are always looking for instant gratification. If you are going to be deployed overseas she isn't going to wait around for you. She will branch swing. Hypergamy doesn't care about anything else.

Your post was deleted from those subs because they are run by SRS and SRS doesn't like things that cast women in a bad light or as the bad guy.

I would also get a paternity test to make sure the kid is yours. AWALT. If she was cheating even when you were living together than who knows whose kid it is.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

We should petition the military to give Vasalgel to all new recruits so that they can delay fatherhood until after they are discharged. The base rats would all move.

[–]wedsngr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Soon. This will help smart guys change the game - http://www.sciencealert.com/reversible-male-birth-control-just-passed-another-trial-and-could-be-on-sale-within-2-years

F: "We're pregnant!"
M: "No, you're pregnant. And that's fascinating, because..."

[–]jonseagull 9 points10 points  (9 children)

This bitch better hope there isn't a hell.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (8 children)

All women better hope there isnt a hell.

In Islam, the Quran says its mostly women that inhabite hell LMAO. Makes sense.

[–]Mattsinger 13 points14 points  (4 children)

In Islam, the Quran says its mostly women that inhabite hell

That is fucking hilarious. I had to google it for myself, and it makes a lot of sense. Link: https://islamqa.info/en/21457

"“They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’”

"Then he said, ‘Give in charity, for you are the majority of the fuel of Hell. A woman with dark cheeks stood up in the midst of the women and said, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, ‘Because you complain too much and are ungrateful to your husbands.’ Then they started to give their jewellery in charity, throwing their earrings and rings into Bilal’s cloak.”

my sides

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Right? Even the quran tells you to treat women like shit LOL. I'm starting to lean towards atheism, but I'm not gonna lie. I love how mancentric and patriarchal Islam is. Christianity has already been corrupted by feminism. Don't think it'll happen to Islam.

[–]Turkerthelurker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What do you mean "even" the Quran? If I had to guess one book that recommends treating women like shit, it'd be the Quran lol.

As an athiest as well, I find it funny just how spot on the religious books were in trying to curb the female imperative.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same. I love that part of Islam. The Quran even says men are superior to women and that women are not permitted to have authority over man. Patriarchal religions that keep their bitches in line>>>

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If his wife was seen fucking the MP, and they live in Saudi Arabia, she would have been flogged 80 times in front of a mob. Add into it the shaming that would never end.

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PSA: Don't get married, ever. BUT ESPECIALLY DON'T GET MARRIED OR HAVE AN LTR OR KIDS IF YOU'RE IN THE MILITARY. See how this guy got fucked over? This shit happens ALL THE TIME. Women are not loyal, they will all cheat. Don't give a woman the ability to take half your shit and your kids from you. Military men should stick strictly to one night stands and plates.

[–]EvrythingISayIsRight 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Of course the gun was locked up but she claimed he was in danger.

Its almost comical how the courts are stacked against men. Courts will search for any reason to not give the man custody, even if its unrelated and minuscule. Meanwhile, women get custody by default, unless there is a hard reason otherwise (insanity, violent, junkie, etc). And don't forget that she almost always gets 18 years of free money checks, subsidized by you.

When the odds are stacked against you the only winning move is to not play. Always wear a condom and never get married.

[–]afkb39sdfb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Courts get a percentage of child support as an "administration fee," so the more awarded the more the court gets, judges even get bonuses every year for the amount made for the court. Most women don't make shit for money so they go after the fathers. It's money, people fucking over other people for their own financial gain, has always been that way.

[–]FrameWalker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What's important to realize here is that the woman is not some extraordinary cruel bitch, but is actually the typical woman. She is the rule not the exception.

[–]my_name_is_gato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What state were you in if you don't mind me asking? Some states do not permit recording another person without your consent. Sorry you had to endure this.

[–]boogalooshrimp1103 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Did you get hit with child support after all that?

[–]2legion327[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes, but I have no problem paying it. I'm grateful that she does actually use it for him instead of just blowing it on dumb crap like some single moms do.

[–]Betamax69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yea. My military ex-wife used my child support for things like a tattoo for herself and a leather jacket. That was one of the years I had a tough time and child support agency sends them your tax return as a lump sum

[–]throwaway-aa2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting this. I hate that other people in the same boat I'm in had to lose for me to gain. I'm so glad I'm on this path now... I would be content getting married if there was some actual benefit other than complete downside, and mostly shaming men to make it happen. Fuck em... I'll continue to lift and make more money.

[–]alkyjason 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All of these horror stories that I read on a daily basis about men & fathers getting reamed by the courts make me glad I decided to keep my dick in my pants.

[–]Kyle5035 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The title sounds like the book 'Shantaram'. Its based on a true story of a man who loses his child and wife in Australia. Turns to drugs and robs shops to fund his drug addiction. Escapes maximum security jail in broad day light and eventually travels to India.

Lives in a slum, becomes a 'medicine man' in the slum and eventually ends up becoming a gun slinger for a local mafia lord. Ends up running guns for the resistance fighters in Afghanistan against Russia, stars in Bollywood movies and the story goes on.

Its one my favourite books and its honestly hard to believe this is one mans story. I strongly recommend reading it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna ask, given her apparent proclivities, did you get a DNA test to confirm that the boy is actually your son? It may be something you don't want to face, but better to find out and take action now.

[–]bomi3ster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your story lacked minorities, put women in a bad light, and made a serviceman seem sane. Of coarse it gets removed from cucked subs.

There are a few good subs left, but don't take it for granted. I appreciate the work the mods here do, it must be a pain in the ass to fight this battle on reddit.

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What is this?

[–]Entershikari 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"I'm remaried since then"

Aaayyyyyy lmmaooo

[–]TRP117 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Appreciate you sharing this with us. I never saw your original posts, but I can't believe something like this gets censored from Reddit. You didn't even threaten anyone in your post, it was factual and free of any crazy rhetoric.

Anyway I wish you the best in your situation, you seem like a good guy. I hope this sub continues to welcome these stories as well, they are a nice change from the usual content.

Welcome, Brother.

[–]zenkibudo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but I can't believe something like this gets censored from Reddit

getting more and more common. especially in the subs he mentioned. There are still plenty of cool (freedom of speech, can handle truth, etc) subs like this one -- but I wouldn't call any of them mainstream, nor part of the auto-subbed batch when u launch a new user profile/account.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Your story wasn't too bad all things considered until you got to your fuck ups.

If anyone takes anything away from this story it should be that when a woman involves the courts and/or the law in your relationship then you must get a lawyer. When you get a lawyer you must follow their advice.

You basically had about the best hand you could have as a man going into court to get custody for his children. You had physical custody of your child and a mother who abandoned her child. By contacting her and her tricking you into talking about your firearm possession she used that to force the liberal left wing family courts to award her custody. Had you followed the advice they would have had to wait until court to ask you that and your lawyer could have mitigated the problem for the court by talking about the safety measures such as keeping them in a gun safe and the like.

[–]2legion327[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% accurate. I'm sharing specifically so that the younger gents here who find themselves in this situation can realize this fuck-up in particular and hopefully avoid it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a fire arm in my house and shared custody. Whats the problem? It's the second amendment

[–]kronaz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is like saying a Jew fucked up by getting on the train. You're not the Nazi here, you got railroaded (not to overuse the reference). You ultimately lost your son because the system was stacked against you from the beginning. I hope your fight isn't over, and I hope you can appeal and get a different judge (conflict of interest? I know the system doesn't give a shit, but maybe your lawyer can figure something out?)

[–]slimcoat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So this was originally posted to TIFU. It was left up for approximately 14 hours, made the reddit front page then was deleted by TIFU mods. They provided no reason. Tried to re-post at relationships and they deleted it instantly. No reason provided. Apparently, the fact that my story resonated with so many people is threatening in some way. Threatening to whom, I'll leave you to decide.

And they continue to wonder why so many men end up here. We literally have nowhere else to go.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Life can really fucking hurt. I feel you brother. I have a daughter who was taken at ~3 yrs by her mother. She's now 18 and I haven't seen her yet. Yes, I have searched for decades for both of them. Now that she's 18, she will turn up online or a PD can find her. I hope to have contact this year. Best of luck to you. Do the best you can. Life isn't fair.

[–]2legion327[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Jesus. That's brutal. Good luck to you in finding her. I hope she's receptive to reconnecting if you do.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. AWALT. Watch out. Women have no empathy for the man they chose to father the child nor concern for the child left without Dad. Remember that, when making babies with that unicorn. Look for the hidden zipper underneath, it's a costume.

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[–]DistantWinter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

PPD is very real. My ex got it after each child. During the last round she was cowering in the corner speaking in tongues while staring off into space. Pulled the same shit as OPs ex too.

[–]Zchavago 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was reading this thinking that a Korean woman did this??!! No way! Then I realized, that it was an American girl, white most likely, and that explained it.

[–]2legion327[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

HA! Yeah a buddy of mine married a Korean national while we were there and they've had nothing but blissful marriage. She's extremely loyal to him.

[–]1egoisenemy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish you the best of luck.

[–]gghavoc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We all know what a crock marriage is, but they should make the minimum age 25 if not more. At 20 years old, most people are just barely learning to be on their own, and just left high school two years prior. You don't have the life experience to see all the potential disasters if you choose a life long commitment with someone you probably don't know very well. I agree this story is a prime example of how everything can go to shit so quickly once she decides you're not good enough. You will not have a good outcome by letting your future be decided by such a fragile/emotional ball of crazy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For what it's worth, I feel for you mate.

[–]TheRedThrill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy crap, I happened to read TIFU today and came across your post. I meant to cross post it here, as it was a prime example of AWALT. Seems it ended up being posted here anyways. Assuming your not leaving any information out of the story (AWALT / APALT) I wish you the best to use this experience to fuel your new life. Don't give up.

[–]the_nsa_hates_you 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey OP. Sorry to hear about your situation. Also bummed to hear about the other subs deleting your posts. The good news is you're still young.

[–]Gunnar0286 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is way to similar to my story. I've spent my life savings trying to get my son back, to no avail. Fuck man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She shown no empathy with you whatsoever. I can't blame some of the anger phase guys for the way they are when their are women like this. Never get married again. I'll say this time and time again: AWALT.

[–]RealMcGonzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, has the army changed. Back in the day, cheating with the wife of a soldier on active duty was grounds for immediate dishonorable. And that doesn't count what your squad should have done to the SOB. In the 90s, a friend of mine in the Air Force had a vicious dog - a chow. Meanest damn dog I ever met. His wife gets knocked up so he has the dog put to sleep. The base commander hears about it and calls him in to make sure the "right thing" was done.

Our military was better with honor.

[–]Ultimate_Failure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds crazy, I know. However, we're talking about a southern bible belt judge who was golf buddies with my ex-father-in-law

This seems like a clear conflict of interest, certainly grounds to change judges, if your lawyer is worth a shit.

[–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And people somehow believe America isn't fucked. Look at how our soldiers are treated.

[–]abhigeek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's upvote this to front page/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My brother's ex got custody despite her taking off with another guy. When she came back months later for custody, she got their daughter, despite her drug issues and hopping from guy to guy. Reason the judge gave, the money she would get from him for child support would be a source of income for the ex.

Gotta love the Nanny State.

[–]MGHOW_ATL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your story. I hope this helps some of the younger guys, especially in the service. There are entirely too many stories like this anyway, and it seems that military marriages are especially prone to this sort of nightmare scenario.

Yeah, you fucked up some procedural shit in the bureaucracy and legal bullshit and learned your lessons. But you appear to have come through the fire as well as can be expected.

In the end, all this tragedy and energy wasted on what -- some gash that was never going to be with you for real.

I hope your new marriage works out, but if it doesn't, spend all the money on the best shark lawyer you can get and listen to him. Yes, him -- no female lawyer. You'll lose it all anyway, so may as well get the best.

[–]Umbrifer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Hey man. I read your story on TIFU and immediately thought that this man needs TRP. Hearing that this is 9 years ago and that you've managed to find happiness on that front and rebuild yourself is very encouraging. Do you have any advice for a young red-piller who wants to get married (for the first decade of the childs' life, after that re-evaluate) and implementing TRP in marriage? Again very glad to year that you recovered from the mistakes of your youth.

[–]Malgurath 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What's your current relationship with your son?

[–]2legion327[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's excellent. See him every other weekend and all summer. We go camping, do home improvement projects together, play video games, etc. I try to teach him something new each time I see him, which I feel is an important part of parenting. He's growing into a hell of a young man. I rarely have to discipline him at all in fact. He's just an overall damn good kid.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

"So this was originally posted to TIFU. It was left up for approximately 14 hours, made the reddit front page then was deleted by TIFU mods. They provided no reason.

Tried to re-post at relationships and they deleted it instantly. No reason provided. "

this makes me very intrigued and, if what you say is true, means all need to read this

[–]2legion327[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You can find the original at redd dot it/4isjqn or just check my history.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sounds good yeah I trust it I am just overly used to putting that phrase in

[–]TheLolomancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I doubt I'm the only one who wanted to read this purely because of the fact that it was deleted.

Good on you for learning your lesson for your new marriage. So many people have this shit happen to them and still don't learn from it.

[–]Elementary1251 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what should get stickied instead of BS posts about "Border Erosion"

[–]banica24 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Could you elaborate a bit more what happened after the trial? Did you finish getting your degree, how did you recoup from everything? How did the entire experience change your perception on women and life in general?

[–]2legion327[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I got an Associate's in IT and went on to get a job with an international law firm. I've since moved up the ladder there within their IT department and am quite happy with my success so far. Bought a house and settled down. Son has his own room along with a big playroom/den area as well. He's well taken care of.

I spent a few years pretty bitter afterward as you might imagine. Eventually leveled myself out and started making life decisions based on my intellect rather than emotions. Haven't look back since and it has served me well.

Regarding women after that, I can tell you I'm quite happily re-married now but this is my 3rd one. My 2nd one was a whole other marriage in between that was a giant clusterfuck as well because I hadn't learned my lesson yet at that point. I might do a Part 2 on that 2nd marriage story eventually.

[–]Betamax69 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Holy shit! I'm on wife 3 now also. Reading your story and the parallels is so strange. Me: desert storm army vet. First wife at 19 cheated and got pregnant while I was deployed. Wife 2 was a 300 lb single mom who cheated on me too. Got married to wife 3 and been married 8 years now. I found TRP at age 45. 2 years ago. Wow

[–]TomFoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Recently divorced here. Not exactly crazy about getting married again, but I'm curious as how to you guys are making it work, living a TRP life and making a TRP wife. Or rather, how you create boundaries for your wives and enforce them, how you hold frame, bust shit-tests, lead her, etc.

[–]VEKTOR-NINETYNINE 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I feel for you dude. Hypothetically what would you recommend to people who couldn't afford a lawyer? I'm asking because a good friend of mine is kind of committing your fuckup number one with his wife. They had a baby, she got sick of the marriage and started fucking other dudes.

I told him to cease communication with her and lawyer up but he won't because:

1) He feels like his child needs to grow up with a mother and a father

2) He doesn't make a lot of money and he's afraid he can't even afford to talk to a lawyer

Anyway, thanks for sharing

[–]2legion327[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If he doesn't make enough to afford one then frankly I don't have much in the way of advice. The mistakes have already been made at this point. Best he can do is do his best to put his emotions aside and remain stoic when dealing with her. Don't let her use the kids as weapons to push him out of his frame. He can't control what she does and he can't control how the legal system is going to treat him because of his gender. The thing he can control (perhaps the only thing he can control) is how he responds to her bullshit.

[–]VEKTOR-NINETYNINE 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, that's what he's doing. I'm pretty sure most guys would have exploded on this woman long ago, but he's holding it down because he's trying to do what's best for his daughter. Thanks.

[–]2legion327[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely. Tell him I said good luck. It's a hard road but worth it in the end.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Her dad raped her" is keyword there. Almost every girl have daddy issue and this rape turned out to be her ultimate sex quest - she is looking for Ultra-Daddy Rapist now.

She is deeply damaged psychologically, you pick beta bucks role there. Great husband, caregiver. No tingles there.

Again, this is deeply disturbed and damaged person. She could be blamed for her behaviour, of course, but you too - you choose to have a kid with mentally sick person.

Sorry for your loss, try to fix all the problem to the degree which you can afford (get a new career, retake at least partly kid custody). Stop pitying yourself. Next time - you definetly would be smarter.

Hope you'll be ok. This is sad news but great life lesson.

[–]georgeisbusting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry to hear what happened to you. You sound like an intelligent person with a great sense of morals and responsibility. I don't know why these mods censor the way they do. Your story is an important one and only helps to guide those in similar or heading to similar circumstances. Thanks again, and stay strong.

[–]0FO6 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Thank you. This gives me a lot of anxiety actually lately actually. I am divorced, I got the kids a few months after she left. We live in different states, I have had them pretty much the entire time for 2 years now (she does call them on a fair regular basis). She supposedly will be picking them up for about a month this summer. My anxiety is that I will have difficulties getting them back from her this time or even next time. Especially knowing that the spousal support will end early next year.

[–]2legion327[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You need legal advice on this one based on your individual state laws and the state laws of her state. Don't give her those kids without being 100% informed and fully confident. "Pretty much the entire 2 years" is likely NOT enough in the court's eyes to establish the residency of the children but check with a lawyer. You can likely get your answer during a free consultation. If you're even slightly in doubt, don't give them up unless you are compelled to by the custody agreement. If you're not court-ordered to, don't do it. But again... please... check with a lawyer. Individual state laws weigh into this VERY heavily.

[–]0FO6 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I do have a court ordered parental agreement, and have a lawyer. The agreement was that we were to trade off every year and each person would get half the summer. She hasn't wanted them really, and honestly it has been better for the kids since they are doing much better in school and health wise. I will be talking to my lawyer here soon about different options moving forward regarding this. The problem though is if she upholds the current parental plan, which she legally would be able to then I wouldn't be able to get the kids for a year. Also it doesn't preclude that there would be difficulties in getting them back at that point either.

[–]2legion327[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that plan needs to get changed asap and right now you have the upper hand. If your lawyer can get your case on the calendar quickly then he can demonstrate that mom hasn't been utilizing her rights to visitation and that, in the interest of the stability of the children, it would be best if the father retains sole physical custody. This will be particularly true when they're school age since they obviously can't be flipping to different schools each year. You have a very limited window to get this sorted, brother. This is your moment. Go.

[–]beachbloke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you brother. I'm going through a similar experience. Be strong and appreciate your fortune. The strongest steel is forged by the hottest fire.

[–]momomotorboat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm almost going through stages of anger just reading this, both with what you went through and how you were censored. I haven't been this angry in a while.

As we swallow the pill, we learn that the game is stacked against us and that we should always know better, do better. But what happened to you, what she did to you, was flat out fucking wrong and unjust. But so it goes.

I'm glad you're still standing and thriving. And I'm grateful you shared your story.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fuccccccccccccccck - thanks for sharing OP. don't listen to the haters. Gload to hear youre doing ok now. all the best.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You're 22 & fulfilled the goal of procreation. Don't mistake me, I empathize with you - to say the shit that happened to you sucks would be understatement of the year. Alas, better now than in 10 or 20 years, when you have assets to lose - and not most of your adult life ahead of you to build an empire you'll know better than to be scammed out of.

[–]Aziz_92 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He's not 22. He was 22 when the baby was born. The kid is now 9.

[–]zenkibudo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

very excellent positive spin. yes, to get that (albeit shitty) lesson at such a young age before the empire is built, is in fact, something of a blessing. This is a tough but right view.

[–]MEANMUTHAFUKA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Listen brother - all hope is NOT lost. You can prepare and take this back to court. It's going to cost you a lot of time, effort and money. But don't give up. You CAN fight this and possibly get 50/50. Start a gofundme campaign for your legal fees. I'm betting a majority of this community will chip in if you're legit. Be patient. Be stoic. Don't let your son get destroyed by this poisonous woman (if you're telling the truth). I went through hell to get 50/50 for my daughters. It was worth every penny. Don't give up.

Document everything. DON'T GIVE UP. PM me if you want. I hate to give you yet another bitter pill to swallow, but get a paternity test to insure he really is your son. If he's not, it's up to you whether you wish to fight for him or not. Good luck... I know I've already said it a million times - DON'T GIVE UP!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A blue pill man hear that a woman has been raped, abused or violated in some way and his protective instincts kick in.

A red pill man hears that a woman has been raped, abused or violated in some way and he heads for the hills.

Assuming that her story was true, let this be a lesson to you gents. Damaged women are damaged good, not diamonds in the rough.

[–]Bethefuture9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Next time, don't get married so fucking young to a fucked up chick and then leave to go across the world thinking things are going to work out. You are just as much to blame for being a moron as she is for leaving. Case closed.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading this made me feel for you and your precious situation so hard. I wish it could have gone better for you.

[–]warcroft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should post this at MensRights too.

[–]DoerOfStuffAndThings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The mods on TIFU and Relationships that deleted this need to be removed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this. Even with almost for those wounds to heal, i can understand your trepidation with posting it.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She did not make you lose your career. You made a thoughtful decision to drop it.

Loss of custody, cheating, divorce. It's a broken record. The dumb broken American record.

You were young and naive like many other idiots who think marriage is a nice thing to do. However, no matter how much we here try to warn other men of the peril, there are still droves of beta idiots thinking playing Russian roulette with their future.

Fuck them. I have no sympathy for them and I don't have it for you, man. I hope you do better now.

[–]Rambo1stBlood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear of your troubles OP!

But this is a great cautionary tale, so it was a good thing you shared it with everyone. I think people can definitely learn a lot from reading this.

Edit: Also had to add, you are a way better father than I would ever be. I would have Overnight Fed-Ex'd this kid the second I got that letter.

[–]watcher45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have an honorable discharge. It is possible for you to rejoin and get your career back. Beyond that, i feel bad for ya bro, heard to many stories similar to this in service. Enlisted men going to war should never marry, being in the servie is the time to get laid not shackled. And your right, once a legal process is in place, cut off all contact and get a lawyer, she is now your adversary looking to fuck up your life with no regard for anything else, treat her the same.

[–]stemgang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit! I'm so sorry this happened to you. I hope you are able to recover from this.

[–]furyque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Putting everything aside now though, you could possibly join the army again? Or you can't after being honorably discharged?

[–]3rt41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man i can't begin to imagine the excruciating pain you suffered/are suffering.

I just want you to take this big hug of mine wherever you are. I feel you.

[–]Mattsinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Great post, many lessons to be learned here. You are a better man than me, I would have considered serious revenge. My heart goes out to you OP.

[–]wordplayar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

on the bright side you should be able to join the army again now, go overseas and unleash some freedom!

[–]EssencialToLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you do a paternity test?

You will pay for 20 years. $500K. Be sure its yours.

DONT get a job or any other income untill this is done.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome to MGTOW, brother. You are not alone. Its time to rebuild your life again.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You posted this in the right place. The community at large can't handle the unfortunate reality many men experience on a regular basis. That's why they try to silence us to preserve their own bubble and insulate themselves from the harsh truths of modern social experiences. Feel for you OP. No man should have to go through that on any basis.

[–]scattyboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why couldn't you have been transferred to a non depolying unit and put your son in child care during your work hours? You could have then used JAG to fight your wife as part of your benefits.

[–]new_alpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, I don't know what to say but I feel sorry for you and I hope you find a way around this. No father should be put away from his son. Keep fighting, soldier.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear this, it's a hard-hitting story. However, I want to add something that I think is very important and the core reason of why this happened to you. Controlling your emotions.

Before that just a mention about red flags. Being raped in childhood by her dad while tragic of course is a red flag. It may sound cold and harsh but knowing something like that would be enough for me to end the relationship unless I'm sure the person has gotten over it and you don't get sure just by guessing. Childhood trauma of this extent can easily mean due to the plastic nature of children's brains all sorts of mental disorders including sociopathy and even if you manage not to get all fucked up in the brain (fat chance with this kind of trauma).

The fact that she disclosed such a personal and disturbing thing relatively early in the relationship is another red flag by itself. From my knowledge doing something like that is a common tactic of malicious manipulators to gain trust fast. If anyone ever tries to gain your trust fast whether you know it or you just feel obligated to trust them that is when your frame absolutely has to come into play. The great wall of China that motherfucker. Response to her trying to disclose anything extremely personal and/or traumatic early in the relationship should be saying I don't care. Trust is earned not given.

However she was cute and you liked it as you said ergo you were blind to all of that.

And now we get to the emotional control part of what I wanted to say about what you wrote.

There's a bit of a pattern going on here:


She opened up to me about how her dad had raped her when she was 9. My heart went out to her and we kept in touch for several months even after I left to go back to Korea.

God damn you're being played right here.

Within a couple months of his birth, the new-baby joyous haze had faded and postpartum depression set in with my wife.

Seems suspicious. Are you positive it was post-partum depression?

But, in my hubris, I did not listen. I called her due to my emotional state being so out of whack.

The pattern is you fucking yourself over due to pussy-o-vision and lack of emotional control. I wholeheartedly recommend stoicism to you. Great book on it is "The guide to the good life". Of course hindsight is easy and you did get fucked over a lot but this can be a learning experience.

[–]Jules_Elysard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Long time lurker. What is a "TRP wife", meaning?

[–]hectortamerofwhores 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't stick your dick in crazy?

[–]Enviromente 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post, thank you for your passion with service. Lawyers are a funny thing.. Your advice should be heeded.

[–]ZeeyardSA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck, this is deep mate. Thanks for sharing!

[–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a bitch did this to me, let's say I would join the "abusive husband" statistics.

[–]killxorxbexkilled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry this happened to you and I'm happy that you've moved on with your life. I hope you have a relationship with your son. Would you mind talking about how the relationship between you and your ex ended up?

[–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

have you managed to spend any time with your son after the sentence?

nice to know that you moved on past this terrible ordeal and continued in life, cheers

[–]dbtlsdn999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your story. I salute you and I'm glad to know that everything worked out in the end in your life.

[–]PIGamer86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can tell you that in the Air Force, that MP would have been so fucked. We don't take that shit lightly, I've witnessed or learned about multiple members in my wing getting the boot for fucking another deployed member's wife.

[–]tyrextyvek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That fucking sucks man. Sorry you've had to go through all that.

[–]Gorkildeathgod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you dodged many a bullets. I'd consider myself lucky on all counts.

[–]BlackSamKnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never show weakness, AWALT. Fuck her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deleted on all the relationship subs? That may be the biggest outrage in your entire story. The rest of it is just basically AWALT I am sorry to say- and YES! The family courts really are that biased. You probably saved yourself money by not getting a lawyer because it would have probably made no difference.

Live and learn guys. When we say women are in control we really, really mean it. You are married only so long as you keep your wife haaaappppppppy.

[–]fuck_da_haes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then people wonder how come some man take an AR-15 goes full on postal on court room.

[–]MilkManDanIsTheMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part that got me was how you cried after you unit left, and how suddenly you realized you were alone

[–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wow, bro what a story. I read it thinking "wow the way this reads, this guy's composure is amazing for someone dealing with this shit!" .... Oh, it's 9yrs later? ... phew! That dude was too cool!

In many ways I could see all this happening a a 'blessing in disguise' for, as the old saying goes, trials like this either kill you or make you stronger

I've been through some pretty shitty things in my time but now I look back on them, with hindsight, I would never want to change what happened as those events paved the way for other wonderful things to happen. Life's weird like that --- I'm off to read part 2!

[–]psyduck117 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never fucking get in a relationship while in the army, I'm not saying you deserved it but this can be expected.

[–]Nergaal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't mind answering, what happened with your son during these 9 years?

[–]_TheRP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Jesus man... What were you thinking? Reading this was like watching a slow motion train wreck.

Your first mistake was getting involved with a woman who clearly has severe emotional and sexual baggage. Your second mistake was getting married while you were on active duty. Not calling a lawyer immediately after being served court documents is like the 6th fuck up in this story - and these are just the things you've written about.

A lot of this isn't even complicated - had you even done a 3 minute Google search when you hit any major decision point in this story you could have saved yourself a fuck load of pain. God damn dude, start trying to make informed decisions. Please.

[–]judethedude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats a sad story man. I hope you can still be part of your son's life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, that sucks bro. I hope you're doing better and get to be involved with your son. Your ex wife is going to turn him into such a pussy beta faggot otherwise. Now you've learned. Don't trust a bitch, don't love a bitch, don't commit. Read the sidebar, it'll all start making sense.

[–]Kizrock94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So how are things now? Are you in some sort of relationship or you're still single? And what happened to your ex wife afterwards

[–]XedtheRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

GET A LAWYER, even if she won this battle, she has not won the war.

Get a re-trial under grounds of a biased judge(you said he was golf buddies with her dad, USE IT to your advantage), also get paperwork in order for her inevitable desire for child support.

You deserve to see your Son...DO NOT give up hope.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hate to say this. Are you sure its your kid?

[–]drummmergeorge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see why they banned you, this post is fucking fake. No one can be this stupid.

[–]Scizzler -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A trp wife? That's hilarious bruh.

[–]Syndweller -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Second, the standard FR response comments that start out with "Your first mistake was..." are completely unnecessary and entirely irrelevant. Those posting them must not have read the other comments. So again, this was 9 years ago. I've had far more time to figure out my mistakes than those posing these comments have.

Then later...

I'm re-married since all of this happened

...SMH

[–]WolfeBane84 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

First, orphanage would have been my first stop.

Second, see if you can re-up.

[–]Peter-Keating -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

[–]vezokpiraka -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The first fuck-up was signing up for the army.

I'm not sure what you expected. At least you didn't go to Iraq.

[–]TedTheAtheist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry to read about this. I hope you can take her back to court. What a horrible thing. So, what, she waited for her green card to do this?

[–]MuhTriggersGuise -1 points0 points  (0 children)

While I tend not to waste too much time blaming the other guy (I mean, she's the one that made a commitment to you, not him), how fucking lame do you have to be to take a married woman with some other dude's infant camping with you? I mean, banging some guys wife with his little infant right fucking there? Jesus christ, can't you do any better? And what about her? Who the fuck wants to date a guy that is such a pussy he'll chase a weird as fuck situation like that?

Damn dude, you're better off without her. Sorry for all the fallout surrounding it though. Stay strong, you will persevere. There may be times your son "hates" you for "abandoning him", but trust me, what a fuck nut his mom is will become apparent sooner or later, and he's going to need you to be a good father when he comes around. Keep your head high and keep working hard, you can still come out on top.

[–]stunningandbrave -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

This is why I don't even talk to women.

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