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Indian guy in college thinks girl is attractive but she doesn't date Indian guys. When he's 27, she messages him out of the blue and he's ecstatic to reconnect.

Later the woman's sister tells him she only messaged him because she heard he had a 'great job'.

I expected the comments to be somewhat balanced. Instead we get bullshit like this:

The fact it's working out should be reason to pat yourself on the back. It also sounds a little like her sister is jealous and wouldn't mind a shot. tl;dr; nothing to see here, move on.

She wouldn't give you the time of day in college but who cares.

She saw someone who checked certain boxes for her to consider a long term relationship, initiated contact and you guys hit it off. I wish a girl approached me like that to be honest...

Your GF probably dated a certain type BECAUSE it would never work, not in spite of it.

She banged all those guys in college but not YOU because YOU were marriage material and they weren't. Wut?

Except OP said that the guys she dated probably wouldn't have settled down

You aren't wrong I know that a lot of the guys she dated either didn't want to settle down or were artsy types

More comments completely telling him to stay with the gf.

She's 27 and dated freely before she met you. Now you've been together for 6 months. You can either view this as "settling" or you can view it as you winning out in the end; as her coming to the understanding that you're truly better than the rest. People who've "settled" are usually less-than-satisfied with their relationship, but stay together because they don't think they can do better.

And:

Maybe, after ten years of dating unambitious guys, she decided she'd had enough of that whole scene. Maybe she never thought she wanted to settle down before. Maybe she's seeing how things go with the guy who's great on paper (good job, "polished," similar background, approved of by her family).

You get that guys? Your future wife sleep will around with random dudes in College without giving you the time of day but you'll eventually get her in the end when she's ready to settle down!

Lesson: Don't settle for someone that wouldn't have given you the time of day a few years back. They probably have ulterior motives.


[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 553 points554 points  (105 children) | Copy Link

So you spend a decade bettering yourself, and putting in the hard and lonely hours to make a career. Meanwhile, she is sexing Chad the bouncer. For. a. decade. Think about that.

But after that decade, she is the prize he is winning with his hard work? Chad got the younger, hotter, wilder version, and he gets the middle-aged version. The one where she now "appreciates" a "guy like him."

Where in the hell do people get this stuff? smh

If she is not there for your struggles, gentlemen, do NOT share your success with her. If she was not around when you were an awkward, broke, ambitious 19 year old, do NOT think she deserves your trust as a properly-developed man in full.

[–][deleted] 158 points159 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

This really is what keeps us from a full beta revolt. They think they've won when the girl finally "wakes up and realizes what she's been missing out on".

[–]recon_johnny 119 points120 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because that's EXACTLY the fucking line they've been fed.

[–]1jb_trp 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They just have to believe it long enough for the alimony/child support to kick in. Then the special snowflake that they've "won" will realize at the age of 32 that they're "not happy" and that they need to "find themselves."

You know, all that Eat. Pray. Love. bullshit.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I remember my blue pill days when I finally "won" the girl who had dumped me to hook up with a bunch of other guys and finally came around to choose me. Even then I could feel a glitch in the matrix when one of my guy buddies told me "at least you finally got her back"...

Thank fucking god I woke up to this bullshit. My ex-girlfriend did me a true service by running me through the mud and awakening me to female bullshit. I should send her a thank you letter because even before I found the red pill I realized something was wrong.

[–]joh2141 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Man I remember saying some shit like that to a friend but I knew deep down it was bullshit. I merely said it to make him feel better/not to think about all the slutty shit she probably did. They're married now apparently but man that bitch got around. Just what are you supposed to tell your friends when they know she's a slut but is like "Nah but she chose me and she's with me!" Obviously I have no proof if she changed or not but all human beings are habitual. Once you do something; it becomes easier to commit that act again. A woman who has led a slutty life, no matter how pure her intentions were at first, is still just that of a slut. She can't go back to being a prim and proper or good behaved woman again. That behavior and habit is imprinted in her for the rest of her life.

If you rape or kill someone, you can't change what you've done in the past. The same is true for all the people you've slept with and the experiences you've had. If you've been a party girl all your life and go to being a settled mom beckoning to ungrateful little shit.... that's not even settling. That's a time bomb.

[–]omega_fat 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are supposed to tell your friend he's a fucking moron and heading for the world of pain, cuckoldry and not getting sex from his own fucking wife. If you say feel good stuff you are worse than an enemy.

[–]joh2141 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We told him that when they started going out. You can't save people from themselves especially if they want to be delusional and say shit like "Oh she's marrying me so she chose me over her bad life. She will end her bad habits." He's a grown man who knew all the facts. None of us have time to babysit his bad choices. By the end, they were getting married no matter what so you either showed support or just didn't show up.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

beta revolt

there's no such thing. they're not getting pussy in the first place, what are they gonna say? "thats it, im not fucking girls anymore!!"

even if half the betas out there stopped showering girls with nonstop attention, the rest would pick up the slack thinking they were getting closer to fucking

its the way things have always been and will always be

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're not going to blame/revolt against the women. Part of being a beta is being incapable of seeing women as anything but perfect. Hence things like Chad "stole" their girlfriend.

I'm just saying that it's a recipe for disaster when you have a lot of young men who are angry, directionless and don't think they're ever going to get laid.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just saying that it's a recipe for disaster when you have a lot of young men who are angry, directionless and don't think they're ever going to get laid.

yeah true but i dont think it's a "revolt" type disaster, just a feminist dream, failure of society type of disaster... pretty much like what today is

[–]MGHOW_ATL 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This beta did that very thing. Poor or no results from efforts with women SHOULD make a smart beta do a cost-benefit analysis. In my case, once I got a girl interested, things were pretty good until the end. It just takes so damn much fucking effort to get them to look at me that way in the first place, so one day I just said fuck it, not getting laid anyway, no point in trying anymore.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

once you get beyond the work of improving yourself, its funny because it actually takes almost no work. you just do what you do and they want to be included. you go from someone asking them if you can hang out with them, to them begging you.

improving yourself to that point is a long journey, its taken me years to get where i really want, but the benefit is in the end you didnt "just" do things to attract chicks (like trying to be a PUA expert). you actually just bettered yourself so much that they all recognize and want to be with you any time they can, and throw themselves at you

quitting out is definitely a path to pick, but the other path is far more rewarding both in how it betters you and how it completely changes the dynamics between male/female interactions for you

[–]netgrey 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The true red pill is that 10 betas rising up will always take out the alphas. They just don't realize the power they have.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know that sounds like a sound theory but it really isn't so. One of the main defining characteristics of a beta is that he is mentally pliable. He believes what he is told. He does what he is told. He believes that the reward for his suffering is going to be worth it. Whether it's religion, women, patriotism or anything else. He believes the line about nobility and honor and is shamed into doing what everyone else tells him to do.

Betas will never rise up because they believe it to be immoral and without honor to not suffer in silence.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mentally pliable, that's a great way to describe it.

[–]darkrood 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, too bad Bp tend to destroy either by women or themselves. Ever see bunch of low SMV guys fighting that plain Jane like Game of Thrones? Saddest thing I've ever witnessed.

Oh, there was a guy once show off his hambeast to me like Princess Leia. That was funny, too.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 40 points40 points [recovered] | Copy Link

So you spend a decade bettering yourself, and putting in the hard and lonely hours to make a career. Meanwhile, she is sexing Chad the bouncer. For. a. decade. Think about that.

This is what I was thinking a few years ago. I'm 28 now, spent the best part of my early 20's forgoing partying and college to build a million dollar business, then when you have the expensive car and high class lifestyle, all these "friend" bitches from school start coming out the woodwork, who are used up whores, looking to grab some BB and resources.

No thanks, ill pass. I won't date anyone my own age 28. My cap is 23 now, I prefer younger though.

Could of had me when I was younger, now I'm better than you and don't want you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 39 points40 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, she is sexing Chad the bouncer. For. a. decade. Think about that.

Chad the bouncer, Chad the bartender, Chad the gym rat, Chad the player, Chad the married guy cheating on his wife, Chad the guy with game, Chad the one night stand, Chad the why the fuck not, Chad the rebound, Chad the available guy while I was drunk, Chad the vacation hook up, Chad the unambitious, Chad the abuser, Chad anyone other than you. For. A. Decade. (While on birth control too....) Then she finds you, the guy she would never have dated while she was busy fucking her way around the world. Now, there's no more birth control, sex is only for relationships, star fish sex, and don't mate guard you shitlord. ^ This isn't a fucking prize. This is shit.

Could of had me when I was younger, now I'm better than you and don't want you.

Ex-gf told me straight out - I never would have dated you when you were younger.... great, thanks honey... here's a good dicking and despite your best efforts, you didn't lock me down by getting pregnant (although you tried your best) or through your guilt trips. Enjoy your memories.

[–]verify_account 16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ex-gf told me straight out - I never would have dated you when you were younger

It's scary how honest women can be sometimes when they think you don't care. I had a girl tell me once that she was with me because "she couldn't do any better". Post RP it didn't bother me, but man when they go unfiltered the truths are cold.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Makes sense. A lot of us here weren't really dating material when we were younger. I certainly fucking wasn't (and wasn't fucking at the time either)

[–]Fryguy48 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was indoctrinated so hard it hurts to reflect on it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know, I was perceptive enough to not really believe the bullshit. I lacked social skills to understand what was really going on. I was mostly really confused by people in general until my mid 20s

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But how good does it feel to be awake and free? I wouldn't have it any other way. It's like I've seen behind the curtain, and now woman are just a game. A very fun game. That being said its only fun because I spent the last two years recreating myself to improve my SMV.

[–]One_friendship_plz 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Makes sense.

But it doesn't make it right.
Something is very wrong if some of us had to look online to fulfill our biological imperatives instead of naturally.

Something very very wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Something's been VERY wrong for a little while now.

And if you're looking for making things right, you're looking in the wrong place. The world is too fucked up for right and wrong - it's all we can do to make sense of our little corner of the world.

[–]One_friendship_plz 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking honest girl I was with, told me she was with me because I looked like I was going to commit suicide if she said no.

Well I was a fucking pussy at the time, but still they're subconsciously Dark Triad.
If you threw a woman brain into a male, they'd end up the biggest Alpha Fuck you'll ever witness.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Chad the average marriage-minded man with a stable job and family life... Wait a sec. Nevermind.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL.... Twin brother of Chad anyone other than you.

But this is what so many men were told: Live a good life, have a stable job, be a nice guy, and you'll make a great husband. All of that is spot on advice.

What they neglected to teach you (or you didnt read the fine print), was that Western women will fuck everyone but you. They didnt mention waiting until women hit the wall so you can raise Chad's kid and having that perfect life. They conveniently left out many details. Had you known them ahead of time.... yea.

[–]not_slater_yet 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Chad with a shit ton of tattoos and herpese. Chad with the BMW. Chad on the 'roids. Chad wearing the 'nice outfit.' Chad on the motorcycle. Chad from the gym. Chad the waiter. Chad the used car salesman. Chad the random guy at the bar over 6' and a strong jawline....

[–]Canadaismyhat 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you guys want to be alpha you should start by containing your bitterness, jesus.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 20 points21 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Similarly I focused on achievement and wound up with a lucrative career. I have a large house on plenty of land that used to be a dairy farm and paid cash for it. What amazed me was that when word of it got around girls that ignored me in High School, or girls that I went out with a couple of times in college started popping up acting like we were great friends the whole time. The absolute transparency of the attempts --- no game or subtlety at all -- was really galling.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 18 points18 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Not so subtle about it either. Got my top of the line new Cayman GTS, said I paid in cash on facebook and the PM's flooded in within hours after posting pictures. Human nature can be fucking gross.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I prefer vintage American muscle myself, but it is a nice ride. Good on you.

[–]IdeaSnob 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Congrats. How old are you and what is your yearly income?

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

28, $500k before taxes. I don't know how much after, would have to ask my accountant.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's impressive. If I may ask, what do you do for a living?

[–]Redpillc0re 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

$500k before taxes. I don't know how much aft

Here's the RP bitches going after their sugar dadd.. err.. bro for advice.

(joking. don't take this as an insult).

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What industry is your company involved in?

[–]GBP4tendies 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn, what do you do? I'm 26, worked my ass off to get my degree in mechanical engineering, and make a measly 57K/yr. And I hate my job, to boot. I'm quiting my job next month and traveling Europe for a couple months. No job lined up after. I hate my job that much.

[–]IdeaSnob 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whats your field or do you own a business?

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Canadaismyhat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Human nature can be fucking gross.

Yeah it can. Posting on social media about expensive toys you're buying with cash might be the most beta thing ever.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Could of had me when I was younger, now I'm better than you and don't want you.

Justice like this is so satisfying. It feels so shitty to be rejected and ignored when you're younger, but as you get older and keep working to rise in smv these bitches are in for a shock when they learn just how fast they're used up.

I gave women chances and gave them my time and energy, and as soon as they saw someone slightly better/older/more fit than me it ended so fast. They have no spine, no trust, no loyalty. Impatient and short sighted.

They start off more mature, then you blow them out of the water and keep maturing your whole life. You learn that the power they had over you was meager compared to the lifelong power you have access to.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Definitely. Literally there is not a single girl in my high school year that I would LTR now if I had the chance. I am only 28, but they are all starting to loose their looks and what is available 6-7 years younger just looks so much better.

At the age 28, after lifting for years, building a successful business, I realise I have done things right.

The harder you work on yourself when you are younger, the sooner you get high enough SMV. I can literally have my pick of 7-9's of 18-23-year-olds. The 28 year older former 9's and 10's are fading fast, I would rather the younger pussy. They are less bitter and jaded, carrying less emotional baggage etc.

To put it simply, men who work on themselves are appreciating assets. Women SMV burns fast and quickly and depreciates from their early 20's. Too few of them know this.

They start off more mature, then you blow them out of the water and keep maturing your whole life. You learn that the power they had over you was meager compared to the lifelong power you have access.

Female SMV is capped by beauty and age. Male SMV has no limits, within reason. Take trump, dude is old, ugly and he's been through hundreds of models most likely.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I am your age, high school reunion coming up, I know that there will be the following:

A. Post Wall Women

B. Thirsty betas

I guarantee you the thirsty betas will be looking forward to this reunion to try and kindle fires with these post wall women. Knock yourselves out... go ahead and try to get with these post wall women who are a shell of what they were when we graduated 10 years ago. Myself, I will be on full guard knowing the betabux seeking sharks will be on the prowl. I am going to reunite with my guy friends, could care less about the women there.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm 25. At the beginning of the year my 21 year old girlfriend bailed on me for a 28 year old Marine. It just amazes me that they are so short sighted. She skipped me after 2 years of dating for someone who was 3 years older than me but only 1 solid year of smv work ahead. He actually was behind me in a lot of ways and not as smart, but he was technically more fit.

The algorithm that runs female attraction is flawed for the 21st century. It's too short sighted. Life was too turbulent and the need to instantly bond to the most alpha male was too important (in comparison to modern society). Maybe things will all go to shit again eventually and they'll need alphas to survive the world, to hunt for them and to kill other alphas and betas. Who knows, but right now they just seem retarded to let the young doctor in training who will start lifting as soon as he's done with school, for the burger flipper with nice abs who just stopped lifting but still looks good for now and has early male pattern baldness in the family.

If you look at the projection it's easy to tell who is the wrong choice in modern society. Oh well. All least we're afforded a small sense of justice and a path to improvement.

Edit: shitty autocorrect

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But after that decade, she is the prize he is winning with his hard work? Chad got the younger, hotter, wilder version, and he gets the middle-aged version. The one where she now "appreciates" a "guy like him."

I love responses like these; they keep me sharp. I like taking time to reflect on how I used to believe that narrative 3 or 4 years ago.

I read that now and it strikes me as so ridiculously absurd that I forget this is the norm for upwards of 70% of men.

[–]hamsterbator 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what is sad is when you click on the profile pics of these recently married wall slammers. You look back to the girl from 10 years ago who is light years hotter while she was out banging Chad. And compare her to the "prize" version that your buddy gets after she decides she wants to settle down...

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Saving the best. Out of al Rollos articles, that one should have it's own spot on the sidebar

[–][deleted] 93 points93 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Women don't deserve your trust ever.

[–]cassandrita[S] 79 points80 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

and he gets the middle-aged version

Poor OP doesn't even have a good comparison of what a real relationship looks like (he said so in his post). So when this woman refuses to have sex more than once a week and refuses to do 'wild things' in bed, he'll assume this is just how most women are.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i mean, why do you think he's even in this position in the first place? If he had ample experience he woudln't be getting played for a fool and having to ask 14 year olds on that subfoum for advice

[–]1mojo_juju 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol. i know some dude on TRP told you to knock if off with the one-liners

but goddamn if i dont love 'em

straight up dude... i don't trust my mom or sisters -- the women I know best and who are "closest" to me. glad i grew up with them, since they taught me so much about womens tendencies and manipulation tactics.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If she was not around when you were an awkward, broke, ambitious 19 year old

If you've made something of yourself, you can do better than someone who would settle and stay with an awkward, poor loser.

Women don't stay with someone like that because they "believe in you", they either have a savior complex and get their validation off trying to 'save' you, are lazy as fuk themselves, or don't think they can do any better.

If you've finally become someone that attracts women, then go out and fuck girls like the one in the OP in her younger years because you can.

But don't trust them, whether they were there from day 1 or just the new hottest girl that's obsessed with you. They're always working their own agenda and pussy makes people blind to that. How many now divorced guys will tell you that when they married her, they thought she could do no wrong and they trusted her more than anyone? (spoiler: all of them)

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

pussy makes people blind.

IMO this is the biggest male hamster. Otherwise reasonable men are blinded by their desire for pussy. This is why TRP, SMV, and the wealth of information on TRP is so valuable. The male hamster is a one eyed beast that will make excuses for everything. TRP overwhelms the impulse until you're a rational thinking male. Some guys have this shit together naturally (alpha), guys that were programmed to ignore it (beta) need more help.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yup. once you think you've found something "special"/the one/etc, and that you won't be able to find it again, you fall into the beta trap

modern media tries to reinforce it as much as possible with shit like "the one" but also "i'm really the lucky one that she said yes"

[–]chance01 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and sickening lines like "I outkicked my coverage", "she's out of my league", all blue pill beta tropes media reinforced ad nauseum.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women don't stay with someone like that because they "believe in you", they either have a savior complex and get their validation off trying to 'save' you, are lazy as fuk themselves, or don't think they can do any better.

Not necessarily.

Sometimes they do "believe in you". As in they calculate your future potential and decide to invest in you early on so they can reap the benefits later. It's definitely not as flowery and rosy as the blue pill idea that she "likes you for you" but in a way it can be an instance where she "believes in you".

More accurately she believes you will achieve your much higher potential in the near future and that it's more beneficial to stay with you than jump ship. This is because she believes the best man she can get NOW is not going to be anywhere near what you will be in a year or two.

An example of this is college women who stay with and support lower level athletes (college/semi-pros) because they believe that in a couple years he'll be a pro making a hundred million a year. Or the girl who supports an up and coming business owner because she thinks the business will blow up in a couple years.

That being said, never fucking get married. Never cohabitate.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's true, but i think more so if the payday is bigger and coming soon

When i was in medical school quite a few of the long term relationships/marriages fell apart because "he didnt have enough time for me"

from what ive seen most women want instant gratification whereas men will accept sacrifices in the short term for a better long term outlook (this can be seen in spending habits as well where women will buy lots of stupid little shit daily whereas guys will try to save more and buy fewer but bigger ticket items)

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SouthernFit 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The key is to be Chad with a lot of money. Don't spend that money on women.

[–]withchemicals 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Quick question: I grew up poor and from a crappy family growing up. I had to work my ass through college and graduated with no debt. Now, I'm about to enter medical school and will have a secure future.

There's only one girl that I think was the most tolerant of my situation and was there while I was struggling, but things didn't work out because I wanted to fuck around (news flash: you don't need to be successful or rich to fuck around with multiple women).

For someone like me who doesn't have a girl who was there during my hard times anymore, who do I share my success with? I always think about this because even now I already feel the effects of being semi-successful. I have my shit together and every other guy around me is fucking up and in debt, and woman seem to notice. Still, I always think if it's just because I have my shit together and since woman my age are in their mid-20s now.

[–]One_friendship_plz 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you truly do end up successful those same women will be there 20 years from now, just reborn into fresh 18-23 year olds.
They never go away, as long as the success stays.
You don't have to worry about this right now, and can take your time. Let them work for you, let them prove to you that they're worth it.

Take your time and keep testing them. There are countless hundreds of millions of men who thought they found the special snowflake in a sea of shit. Look what happened to them.

[–]NaughtyFred 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've read this sentiment many times on this sub but you've expressed the best.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that's a good enough argument. Even if it's the case that she gives sex away cheaply to guys who are uninterested in commitment in her youth when she's at her sexiest only to then charge commitment-minded guys for it despite its depreciated value, the alleged fact is that she was uninterested in commitment back then but (supposedly) is interested in it now. The fact is (allegedly) that you couldn't build a long-term relationship with her past self anyway because she was uninterested in commitment back then. It's only possible now as she's interested now and so, her past is irrelevant.

It's not that she's the prize but rather, the (supposed prospect of a) meaningful relationship is. With this in mind, why wouldn't a Beta consider a woman who didn't consider him when he wasn't successful? Other than the paranoia of being golddug, why not?

[–]IdeaSnob 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. There is a lot of projection and hurt feelings in this thread but the reality is most guys here couldn't have gotten the girl when she was at her peak. Now that they are at their peak, and hopefully more alpha, the girl wants them. Instead of being upset at her, you should be proud of yourself for making a transition. Your value went up.

[–]soundsshemade 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that men, in their late teens & 20s, who couldn't land a peak SMV girl shouldn't complain. That's the SMV working as it should. And you're correctly pointing out that they're trying to assuage hurt feelings. The post should end with a comment that once a male reaches his peak SMV he should then access the peak SMV women who he rightly didn't have access to earlier.

The point of a post like this is that you shouldn't end up with that girl just because you're both closing in on 30. Those peak SMV girls should bag good older men when they can, and then men similar to the guy mentioned in the OP should get with girls CURRENTLY at their peak. No one is hurt in that scenario.

This is just a commentary on the audaciousness of someone who thinks they can push off maturity and responsibility for instant gratification and still have it all in the end. That's just not an attitude that we as RP men respect. As well as anger at the underlying narrative in society that these women have every reason to rightfully act this way. That she's done nothing wrong and in fact was being prudent by testing out all her choices, and not wasting her youth on one man. At the very least we feel this is a space to find fault with the mindset that would allow one to rationalize such a mentality.

[–]oleanderteabreak 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Would you have married her at 19? Would you have stayed satisfied for life?

Does anyone really give a shit about this stuff anymore?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

y'know, that is one thing that makes me really appreciate my wife.

we met when she was 20. I was 21, and a poor-ass grad student. She was thrilled to hang with me. She saw the ambition and had plenty herself. We both make great money now.

Sometimes I think this place is far too unwilling to consider the corollary to your post, which is "If she was around when you were an awkward, broke, ambitious 19 year old, she deserves your trust as a properly-developed man."

[–]RandomSurf1 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless she makes more or atleast as much as you never marry.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a music teacher (given I run my own small business), but the girl I'm dating is in her final year of law school. She will likely earn more than me for a while, but I'm very entrepreneurial with crazy ambition. I'm not expecting her to stick around long especially given the risks I will need to take.

[–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a bouncer, I can confirm so much of the dualistic Alpha fucks, beta bucks strategy used by women. I mean it literally happens in front of me and many times I'm part of it.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, even if she is there, she has to be supporting you all the way, which means relieving stress, not creating it.

My ex was with me from when I had no degree through getting my law degree, but she was NOT HELPING when I was busting my ass.

Good luck finding a woman who will sink her best party years into you enthusiastically while you are focusing on improving instead of her bullshit.

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

younger, hotter, wilder version, and he gets the middle-aged version.

He also got the young woman whose oxytocin receptors weren't fucked; this beta has a damaged woman now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not computer savvy like some folk on here but THIS... THIS should be gold! Just like Will Smith says if you weren't there during my struggles don't expect to be there for my success

[–]pumpwhale007 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

""If she is not there for your struggles, gentlemen, do NOT share your success with her. If she was not around when you were an awkward, broke, ambitious 19 year old, do NOT think she deserves your trust as a properly-developed man in full.""

You should NEVER be in a relationship for any reason other than YOU FUCKING WANT IT. I actually don't give a fuck if she was 'there for your struggles'. Or if she was there when I was 'awkward, broke, ambitions 19 year old'. Guilt of some make believe past debt is no reason to be in any relationship.* Time moves forward. The relationship must satisfy your needs now.

*Note - if you are married, have a pre-nup, have kids, then yeah, you have a REAL (not make believe) contractual commitment, and you should live up to that. But anything else is just par for the course tingle hamster shit - you do not OWE HER ANYTHING EVER AND DON'T LET THEM MAKE YOU THINK THAT.

[–]WingedHussarx -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The indian guy still gets to pass his genes on the blonde though, so is not that bad

[–]garlicextract 74 points75 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The top comment is telling him he did good and shouldn't worry. At this time, that comment has OVER THREE times the upvotes as the topic itself.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because dude, it's the right answer! Pat yourself on the back when the used-up chick with the expired cock carousel wristband wants to date you!!

But that OP is obviously a clueless beta for a few reasons - first when you know she was slutting it up in college, and now you're making bank, why the fuck would you want to date a girl the same age as you, even if you didn't know she was getting railed by the football team every thirsty thursday.

secondly, it was a "blow to him" that she messaged him. In the mind of a beta, she had been thinking about him recently and remembering their nice friendship so she shot him a facebook message. Anyone with half a brain would know she messaged him for a certain reason, and then definitely when she is open to a 'relationship'

[–]Il128 56 points56 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Isn't the problem with these women the fact that they ca not pair bond at this point?

Wouldn't a guy have some small clue that she's just temporarily burned out on getting plated and pumped and dumped?

Hasn't every man whose ever breathed been told, don't marry a slut?

She's going to have zero sexual attraction for him. Even if she tries to be "that good woman she knows she can be" she's going to give it up after a few months of shitty sex. She's human after all and a woman so there's only one possible out come.

[–]RationalistFaith1 22 points22 points [recovered] | Copy Link

After 1-2 partners they are used up, depressed, jaded and what not.

No thanks!

A sex doll shows more emotion than these damaged goods.

[–]verify_account 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

After 1-2 partners they are used up, depressed, jaded and what not.

1-2 is fine, unless you meant to type 10-12 or are doing a poor job trolling.

[–]harsha_hs 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A sex doll shows more emotion than these damaged goods.

ya, been there with damaged goods and can confirm this

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was half expecting you to say, "Been with a doll too, can confirm this."

But 1-2 isn't going to damage most girls. Not unless she's been alpha widowed hardcore by one of them.

[–]harsha_hs 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The one I went with was damaged by only 1 alpha. That was significant for her. I could see her sometimes stalking his Facebook page.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damaged goods are so fun to plate or ONS though. Those bitches can be freaky as fuck in bed.

[–]harsha_hs -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything is damaged goods, some are freaky and some are dull depending on their attraction to you.

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hasn't every man whose ever breathed been told, don't marry a slut?

They have, but you underestimate how sexually frustrated a lot of beta males are. They also delude themselves into thinking most young women these days are dolls whose "pasts are pasts," lol. Sometimes I feel bad for them, but then I see how stupid and oblivious you have to be to be in a serious relationship with people like this and I just laugh at their soon-to-be misery.

[–]1raceAround126 118 points119 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

This is a story as old as time itself. As Rodger Dodger states, the female will naturally show favour to the male who displays the most utility.

As for myself, I have a couple of bands I play in that are making decent headway in our local scenes; I have a pretty well paid job with a good amount of "power" shall we say, and I've become very popular with the ladies.

I rarely use facebook for anything more than band stuff. But the amount of old "friends" from university and school who out-loud laughed at me when I asked them out adding me on facebook and telling me I was hot and wanted to date is beyond funny.

A few of them I fucked and left the next day. For no other reason than I always fancied a fuck and really thought of them as nothing more. That sent a couple of them at least into proper meltdowns. I remember one even calling me up while she was drunk telling me she was either going to come to me that night or she was going to go fuck a random bloke she'd just met. I replied that I was not in need of her that evening and to have fun. Proper meltdown, giving me this whole "you don't care about me" and "you were so nice in university, what happened to you, don't become one of those guys..."

If nothing else it proved at that moment that I was perfectly happy getting exactly what I wanted from people and declining their attentions if I either wasn't happy with it or wasn't willing to return what they required.

She signed off by actually asking me how much I earned per year! Seriously! It was like she'd just missed out on the winning lottery line because she forgot to buy a ticket. When these girls reach a certain age, boys, they will go fucking crazy.

As for an epilog, I did get several hundred texts telling me how she didn't go home with whomever she'd met (I really didn't care) and that she wanted to talk, which de-escalated to a no strings shag, which then re-escalated to she's going to whore it up among my friends (like I care, I have no friends! But if you're referring to my several circles of mates, then have at it! You have nice tits and they'd love to get some!).

Even her friend contacted me; I just told her (post fucking - yep fucked her too!) that she needed to get a grip and find a nice boring guy to settle down with. That conversation alone I wish I could have recorded and shared. Suffice to say, I was absolutely correct in my actions. Her best friend spilled the beans on not only her biological desperation but also her pretty shit financial situation. I mean, believe it or not, those party years don't pay for themselves even when the drinks are free!

[–]Cristoff13 36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Proper meltdown, giving me this whole "you don't care about me" and "you were so nice in university, what happened to you, don't become one of those guys..."

You caused a logical paradox in her brain. You were a beta in university, so she expected you to fall into the Beta Bux role, yet here you are acting like an alpha. In the female mind it shouldn't be possible for a beta to transform into an alpha. Does not compute!

And the way she says "those guys" illustrates the love-hate relationship women have with alpha guys. They love them, yet they hate them at the same time because they can't tame them.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Good stuff, how about a detailed field report? Would love to hear your stories

[–]1raceAround126 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'll hold up until in feeling a bit better.

[–]New_CCNA 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting stories. Would love to hear a few.

[–]New_CCNA 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting stories. Would love to hear a few.

Edit: didnt realise you were that guy. Thank you for the field reports. Wish best of luck for you.

[–]Duchenne4089 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy Link

re-escalated to she's going to whore it up among my friends

Was this supposed to be a strategy to make you commit? Seems counter intuitive.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. It's a validation seeking manipulation strategy. She wants to elicit a jealousy response in order to seek further control. It's like a fucked up version of a comfort test.

[–]gonorealover 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She signed off by actually asking me how much I earned per year!

They even stopped being subtle and discreet . At this point , how can men even consider marrying these whores ?

They outright ask you how much you make right in front of your face . There is ZERO shame in their behavior.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This comment is gold. Definitely worthy of a separate post.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are my hero of the month.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"you were so nice in university, what happened to you, don't become one of those guys..."

"Too late. Now I am one of those guys thanks to women like you."

[–]GBP4tendies -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude she sounds like a bitch but come on, your actions seem a bit cruel here. If you knew she was looking for a LTR you could have been honest with your intentions up front, too. Sure, you don't "owe" that to her. To me it just seems like the decent thing to do. Sounds like you were more interested in some kind of twisted revenge than honest fun.

[–]1raceAround126 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope far from it. I didn't tell her I was after anything and her trying to get me to have anything more than LTR is what prompted me to dump her. I was new to all this and even fucking wasn't even in my brain when she called me.

I've never done the revenge thing and never will. Not worth my trouble.

[–]Alanranks7 28 points29 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Money talks to women almost as well as chad does. She sees a viable meal ticket whilst she gets closer to the wall and can even get side action. I wish this man good luck in dealing with her hopefully he even finds this place before he "mans up" and slaps a ring on her.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

money talks to them more than 'chad' does. If you have real money, you can have a fucking beer gut and pull 10/10s lol

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

maybe, but money doesn't command their respect. I have a good looking(natural alpha) friend who works in a high end hotel who is constantly getting offers from trophy wives/girlfriends..(even the escorts hit on him)

[–]ThatRedPillGuy 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I play in a hobby-band with a guy (talented, no doubt) who works the door at a shitty bar. A very, very shitty bar. He works out all day and at night, he looks at IDs for a living. Think about that. He looks at IDs and nods his head yes or no. That's it. He is never seen socially without a sexy young girl on his arm. The whole women are attracted to rich guys thing is a myth.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There is a difference between earnings and wealth. This is what people fail to understand.

Money isn't power, wealth is power. Women respect power.

Be it the power to control the line at a shitty bar, the physical prowess of a swole man or the control of a huge social media company.

Power takes many forms but merely earning money in itself isn't power until it is invested in the physical property which can be flaunted.

HBs don't care how big your wallet or your bank account is they care about the Porsche in your driveway and the pool in your backyard.

Women want to enjoy the show. They don't care how the money is earned or what it takes to get it. They want the expensive houses & flashy cars and will elevate a man based on this just as they elevate a man for his muscle.

Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.

[–]JayceeThunder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.

Damn... this my quote of the month

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. I've literally watched this hot Asian girl I know settle down with a millionaire because "he can provide a life for me" yet somehow people on this sub think that is alpha.....no, alpha is the guy who bangs this chicks with nothing but himself(no money,fancy clothes, cars...etc) if you have both then your golden. I thought the beta myth of money=women was Well understood around here ???

[–]RandomSurf1 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

Where are you from?It definitely commands respect.

Education and job are a man's identifier in majority of the countries.

Money represents a social winner.Of course its attractive.

[–]SelfishStoic 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

From the beta pool of characteristics. Beta is survivalistic. Alpha is idealistic.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not true. A lot of Alpha's are rich businessmen.

[–]RandomSurf1 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's is no idealism is a capitalist world.Money above all

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Believing girls want you for your brains is bp

You think rich men think this?

It doesn't matter if you fuck girls from muscles or from money as long as you're getting what you want and you're not getting taken advantage of.

Don't be fucking stupid.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When the fuck did I demonize muscles or looking good? When THE FUCK did I suggest getting married you delusional arrogant fuck? Please quote me.

You're a fucking idiot if you think being rich is a negative in any way, shape or form. Money alone doesn't make you beta.

Or are you suggesting tall, buff, NFL players are beta bucks because they make millions of dollars?

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree. QUOTE ME WHERE I SUGGESTED THAT. DO IT GEORGE!

She certainly isn't going to have help from the government taking away my muscles.

Suggesting being rich means getting taken advantage of. Stupid ass statement to be honest. And really we're on theredpill and you're resorting to bouncing tits and fat jokes? You're talking to a guy who probably has a way better physique than you and has since before this sub even existed.

Stick to the points at hand and make a logical argument this isn't a sub for emotional women and blue pill simps.

[–]RandomSurf1 -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The fuck?The no of chicks ivy league graduates slay will put you to shame. Elitism is an aphrodisiac to women.

Only a guy who looks like a greek god incarnation can pose a competition and that too not for long. He ages and he loses his appeal.

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[–]RandomSurf1 -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol you are delusional.

You think these bankers engineers are nerds?A lot of them happen to be good looking. They are at the top of the social ladder.Most appealing.

And as they age they can invest a lot in their appearance.World class hair transplants, trainers ,dietician etc.

A guy who just has looks will lose out pretty early and will actually be worse looking in his middle age than the real successful ones.

Only the ugly guys with money fall for a girls trick.

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[–]RandomSurf1 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Leave it ,you are a kid.

When you get out of school you'll realize there's a lot more to life than game and looks.

[–]harsha_hs 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya, I too wish him good luck fighting alimony and child support. That really needs lot of cheering

[–]yummyluckycharms 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relationships sub is home to the cuckolds and betas. Of course, they are telling him to stay.

MBAs, well not as good as they used to due to the sheer number of them nowadays, is still a good signifier of at least ambition if not status. When I graduated and updated my linkedin status, soooo many exes suddenly appeared to congratulate me and want to go for coffee...

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be one thing if a boy spent 10 years improving himself, and a girl also spent 10 years improving herself, and they met at the top of the mountain, as the best versions of themselves.

But instead, the boy spends 10 years improving himself, while the girl spends 10 years destroying herself, or at best, treading water.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"He wins out at the end" by getting a tired pussy thats ridden a thousand chads. This is BP society trying to keep him from going for a younger higher smv woman now that his value has shot up through the roof thanks to his fancy job. Afterall, Someone has to provide for the wall hitters. Be a good BB and feel honored that this woman chose you after getting sick of random chads, while literallt bringing nothing of value into your life except some vagina stank.

[–]sarc0lupus 19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is the utterly false garbage fed to academic, un-masculine types all throughout their rejections throughout high school and college "Don't worry, you'll win in the end when she realises how much of a successful, determined, and ambitious person you are. You're the kind of guy a girl wants to marry"

"The good guy wins in the end"

Lies

No she just wants your money, and more importantly, your stability. Many of the Chads may have money too, but they're too smart to shack up with a wall-nearing carousel rider.

The women who turned you down during college and high school come back to you in your successful 30s because they know you're safe: you haven't had attention from women before in your life - when she starts chasing you, you're not going to say no to the bartender hottie that was your fantasy in college. They don't love you; they don't find you attractive. They are realists masquerading as romantics.

So she gets a safe relationship, social proof for being in a relationship with "a good, established guy", and a financial safety net. While you suffer with the odd pity sex, from a bitch who let Chad give her anal on the 2nd date.

Don't fall for the trap lads.

Run for the hills when a girl who previously turned you down or branch swung comes crying back to you when you're higher value.

[–]TissueBabies 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're the kind of guy a girl wants to marry

This makes me so fuckin sick. I wasted so many years because my parents shoved this shit down my throat. "Those jocks look like they're having fun now, but you'll be what women want when they come to their senses." Way to cut my balls off.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My parents are feeding me this shit too. I try to explain I'm not interested in used up whores and my dad says 'but all girls are like that!' Thanks but no thanks dad.

[–]sarc0lupus 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. Women who "suddenly" feel like going for an established "mature guy" when they're around 30 are used-up whores. Cock carousel season ticket holders.

What a coincidence that it's around age 30 women start wanting mature, "caring" betabux guys. Why? It's because they've hit the fucking wall. Contrary to what your parents, bitches and society have said, women haven't "matured" or "changed". They're simply exerting their feminine imperative.

It's strategy. They don't suddenly start having feelings for betabuxes at age 30. Women know they are the only option left if they want financial security and social validation, now that the Alphas know the women are beyond their usefulness.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree through and through. I'm getting into my late 20's now and I'm working through a pHD. The nice thing about still being in school is that I'm surrounded by young chicks and I'm starting to get plenty of attention from 23 year old undergrad girls. Why in the ever living hell would I give the time of day to a wrinkly 30 year old that never gave me the time of day 5 years ago? Helllllll no.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

GF's sister is the real MVP. He should start turning his attention towards her sister (who is significantly younger as he mentions in the comments). Since they were chatting about school, she's probably in the 18-21 age range.

[–]darkrood 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Meh, the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. She probably is doing the same thing, too. Seriously, hiring whore is better than focusing on either of these two.

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

banana never said to marry the sister.

It's Machiavellian and a beta soul would never do this, but disregard older sister. Get with younger sister. It turns them against each other and older sister gets a lesson of what she did to him, only in reverse. Oh and it'll surely destroy the relationship between the sisters.

[–]darkrood 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Please, not trying to bash your idea. It's just not practical because this Indian guy clearly do not possess the caliber to pull that off. I

It would be a field report in RP if he could.

This reminds of the time when my sis' engineering friend try to do the "hit it and quit it" after couple good lays. He end up marrying the bitchy fake Chinese gal whom every guy hates in the group.

Even back in full BP days, I knew those guys were trying to manipulate a girl above their level.

The couple seems happy, though

[–]_eskimo_brothers_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know the guy doesn't have the skill or ability to do it. You have to be an aware and again, machiavellian type to do it. Everyone, everywhere is manipulating. It's just not always in your face.

"Seems happy" ah yes, we never truly know how couples live unless you sense or see the cracks. I'm not jaded but some of the seemingly happy couples I know really aren't.

[–]grewapair 63 points64 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I grew up next to this girl who was hotter than hot. 11/10. Next door neighbor, she literally never said one word to me. She was always too good for me.

Fast forward, I earn millions she's a divorced, single mom, post wall, flight attendant without a penny to her name. Suddenly friends me on facebook. Like I don't realize.

[–]KartagoPill 63 points64 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's true love bro. She loves you haha

[–]Red_Brain 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, I see no motives on this one. Waiter, one ring please!

[–]vagbutters 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a match made in heaven man! Just like those jewish Hollywood romcom movies have taught me!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love is just a word that describes their need...for millions of dollars.

[–]mirlalt 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ask when her daughter is legal

[–]IdeaSnob 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was meant to be! She was thinking about you the whole time but it just didn't work out. Now is your chance to get your dream woman! /s

[–]bisjac 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

As a mediocre looking guy. Never was ultra popular during my teens and 20s. Had a few ltr but nothing more exciting. Now 31. Im hearing from a few random girls from hs and college in facebook. And its very clear whats going on. I spent my time working up a decent income and place to live. While they are all single moms without education or a real job.

It's depressing knowing the only girls out there left, are complete messes, who are just trolling for any pathetic guy like me to rescue them. All that dick they had for the last 20 years was just a fun-run before they knew they had to eventually get serious. :(

Signed: A bitter, lonely, untrusting of all woman. - bisjac

[–]verdantsound 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And its very clear whats going on.

Late 20's here. No one really hit me up yet. Do they just want to reconnect, or are their messages usually more suggestive?

[–]bisjac 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It starts with them playing the casual "hey remember school kinda stuff."

I believe the main red flag is if/when they start asking me about my living situation before i have heard enough about thier current life. Like overly eager to hear about my availability. Or arnt all to interested in my job itself as much as my position (to imply pay)

For a quick thrill, i stay vauge on everything and force them to find out in person, rather then throw my back story at them in some fb messages.

[–]verdantsound 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

living situation as in whether you are single or not? or whether you own a house? any of them turn out well, or is this another experience that provides evidence for AWALT

[–]sh0ckley 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It might be depressing but isn't it better to know?

[–]MeiFriend 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why better yourself, get your status up and find a reasonably younger woman (a virgin if possible).

One of my ex best friends (female) criticized me for dating younger women and not the "mature" and "wanting to settle" ones. She who fucked around and went lesbian and cheated on her fiance and then left him within the first week of marriage, she had something to say about my choices.

For some time I wondered why I wasn't attracted to women my age, it was real, and I figured it wasn't their age, but the fact that most of them ignored me in school and preferred the sporty dudes. Nothing wrong with that, but my pride prohibited me from feeling any interest in them, there are women now that seek me out, younger and pure. Why waste my time with the opposite of that?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

guys, the situation is so much worse than that. this girl is indian too. he said it in his comments. she's indian and says she doesnt date indian guys. so she's a self hating race traitor and rode the cock carousel for 10 years and now wants to settle with her provider indian man. that is the most disgusting fucking shit i've ever seen.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I used to work with a smoking hot Indian chick that did exactly this.

[–]vizakenjack 29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Argued with some married woman on reddit recently, and she ended up admitting that 9/10 of women are like this.

Of course she wouldn't say that 10/10 of women are like that, cuz she had to leave room for herself, as in "but I'm not like that" to keep herself morally comfortable.

Point is: women know they're sluts, they're just not comfortable admitting it

EDIT: lo and behold, she ended up deleting her own comment in which she admitted the Red Pill truth about women

[–]2Overkillengine 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah. Admitting it means you see behind the meat curtains and then they have a much harder time of successfully abdicating responsibility.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This woman admits that 9/10 are like that but concludes your finding sluts because that's the only thing your looking for?

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was looking through her history to see the post-- I'm definitely not surprised that she deleted it. Good of you to archive the post. I should start doing this too with the posts that bloopers try to cover up.

[–]ponkyol 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you ask a woman or a beta for advice, she'll tell you what she'd want you to do if she was the girl in question.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very well-put. What I'm trying to figure out is if it's instinct or malice.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how everyone is practically celebrating his beta bucks status. He even admits that the men she was into were 'artist types or didnt want to settle down'. Yeah, there's no way she's just settling on you because of your cash and job security. I kind of get the argument that a woman looking for an LTR doesn't want a bum, but this kind of goes past that in my eyes. He's beta bucks, 2nd option, pure and simple

[–]TRPBackpacker 41 points41 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, I remember my ex calling me out of the blue after I got a "real" high paying job. This is an ex who dumped me because I wasn't good enough for her.

It went something like the following: "Oh yeah of course you got "real" . At this crappy place, so it's not real. It's imaginary."

"It's all in your head, you are imagining all these scenarios." Then proceed to belittle me with every character fault I have.

Mind you, I was still pretty blue pill back then, but I got angry and just told her to fuck off. I work at this place, call them yourself.

Then several weeks passed and out of the blue she calls me saying she's going to Germany.

As a blue pill back then, I didn't know that me getting a legit good job means that she made a mistake and all these jealousy a her hamster couldn't bear it. All of a sudden, I am not just a poor orbiter when seen with some other woman and instead I am an asshole banging all these women.

I was so blue that I didn't realize that getting a good job can make them so wet. I thought woman wants me for me and rejected me for me. Anyway, just one of those mysteries that I didn't solve until after I read TRP.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Getting a good job doesn't make them wet. It's on the BB side of the hypergamy equation

[–]blackwolfrain 9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Depends on how you utilize the situation. Being Beta isn't necessarily a character trait, it's on a spectrum that shifts with every action you take. Every guy is capable of beta actions and alpha actions, an alpha that has a good job just uses the status of having that job to gain their attention and bangs them without even having to spend more than $10 at Starbucks for your own coffee.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

alpha that has a good job just uses the status of having that job to gain their attention and bangs them without even having to spend more than $10 at Starbucks for your own coffee.

This might sound good on paper, but it never works out this way. As /u/jab-jab-cross said, it's a BB side of the hypergamy equation. The way it usually plays out- she refuses to put out for you until marriage OR she lets you in her pants after which she pressures you into a serious relationship (vis a vis possible rape accusations)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree. What I meant is what makes her wet is physical attractiveness, display of strength, display of social dominance, etc. "getting a good job" is not on the list. It's merely an indicator that you're about to make money, which she sees you can spend on her and her kids.

Does getting a good job or making money gets you more women wanting to sleep with you? Totally. Does it "make them wet"? I would argue not.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

What I meant is what makes her wet is physical attractiveness, display of strength, display of social dominance, etc.

You just contradicted yourself. Money is power. It is a display of strength and social dominance to be richer than other people.

I don't get how the fucking men on this subreddit have gotten this confused. You take AF/BB way too literally. In any country on the planet money is time, power, influence, and social status.

Of COURSE having a good job makes you more attractive I mean I can't even believe this needs to be fucking explained on theredpill of all fucking places

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That was hilarious, who made this comic? Very accurate-- should upload this on some facebook feeds.

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You take AF/BB way too literally.

No, we don't. It's an accurate social paradigm and if you look at realistic cases, it boils down to this formula, more or less. If all you have is money and a fat gut, you will be used and abused by the feminist society. Obviously wealth on top of physical beauty and game helps, but don't act as though it's the key to tingles. It's the key to divorce rape these days.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Being wealthy in and of itself doesn't make a man beta

Whoever thinks otherwise is a complete and utter fuckin moron

[–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being wealthy in and of itself doesn't make a man beta

No one here makes that sort of claim.

[–]Schrodingersdawg 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally hoping I get that job at google just to be able to do this

[–]tldrtldrtldr7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Similar story. I took a less lucrative but high potential job. A step down from a girl's perspective but good risk/reward for me. She backed off. Left me for dead pretty much. Years later, hit gold. She heard of it. And massive IoIs again. Not going to happen. I didn't know about TRP then and pretty much neglected her based on seeing her in a different light. TRP kinds of enforces this behavior as a trend.

[–]golgynat0r 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck her brains out and return the favor :)

[–]aBitClearer 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well gents, it gets WAY WORSE the older a slut gets. About a year ago, I was picking some low lying slut fruit on OKQ. Thin, attractive 40yo blond woman's profile reads like "I'm a whore but I fuck for free", get her number and we talk, or, better put, she talks, and talks and talks, and I let her. All I asked her was what lead her to post on OKQ and she declares that she's been on all the hook-up websites and now wants to "settle down".

Me- "So I'm on of the lucky guys who gets to throw his hat into your commitment ring?"

Her- "Didn't think of it like that but yes."

Me- "Well I just want to be another cock in your carousel, so it won't work out for me."

I hang up. She texts me some prize-winning-potty-poetry, says she's blocking me and reporting me to OKQ. I text her back that Amazon has some great bulk condom deals!

Funny how women would think that revealing that they've been shameless sluts is somehow an attractive feature for men looking for LTRs! I think it comes from "well, men have been sowing their seeds for all of written history and setting down later, so now it's our turn".

No it isn't. All you are a pump-n-dump. Next!

[–]chief66red50 points [recovered] (26 children) | Copy Link

My slutty roommate is fucking this indian guy who is a micro biologist who drives a Benz. She tells me straight up that she's banging him cause he make so much money. She doesn't know what TRP is but I speak openly about every single thing on TRP and she agrees with me on it all. I hear this stuff right from the WHOREses mouth.

[–]fasthandssam 102 points103 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Don't talk about TRP with women. Don't talk about TRP with women. Don't talk about TRP with women.

It does not give you any valuable insights and does not make you seem the least bit more attractive to them. If you are trying to bang this slutty roommate, don't mention anything about TRP or theory to her. If you are not trying to bang, DO NOT MENTION TRP TO HER.

There is no benefit, and plenty of downside. But mostly no benefit. It does not make you seem sexy or charismatic or in on her secret or privy to special knowledge.

To use a matrix analogy: Women don't care and don't want to know about the matrix. They just want to fuck Neo. Explaining to them how you are able to fly and dodge bullets either has no effect or is a major turn-off. ESPECIALLY if you are not flying or dodging bullets. Just be Neo, and demonstrate your trp-inspired abilities. Never explain it. And if you can't just "do it", then talking about it is even worse.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I personally like talking to women about trp concepts. I don't use the slang and I talk about it in normal conversation. It's funny how fast it opens your eyes. I think that most guys here are still hoping that somewhere out there is a special unicorn waiting for them and hearing women openly admit this stuff destroys the pedestal. If you do talk to them though it has to have zero judgement and no questioning. State the shit as facts and that it's perfectly fine and they will spew some terrible truths

[–]fasthandssam 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Again, there is literally zero upside.

hearing women openly admit this stuff destroys the pedestal

Look at what women do, not what they say! Women are the last source I would listen to in regards to figuring out their true nature, even if they do admit many (or even most) TRP concepts in the right conversational setting.

If your motivation for discussing TRP with women is to "de-pedestalize" them, you can do this much more efficiently and reliably by reading the content here and observing women's actions in life.

And, if we are being completely honest with ourselves, that is rarely the true underlying motivation. Most of the time, men talk about TRP or "game" with women to sneakily raise their value. They think: "I have special knowledge and power; I will impress her with my demonstration of this secret knowledge and show her that I understand her and the game she is playing. This will separate me from the herd and make me more attractive to her."

I'm not saying that is why you are talking to women about it, but that is usually the subconscious reasoning. And of course, discussing what should be demonstrated is a terrible idea.

In either case: NEVER TALK TO WOMEN ABOUT TRP. Zero upside, since anything you'd hope to accomplish can be better accomplished through other means. Plenty of downside.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah there's plenty of upsides.

If your motivation for discussing TRP with women is to "de-pedestalize" them, you can do this much more efficiently and reliably by reading the content here and observing women's actions in life.

For someone to see past the fake reality they have sometimes takes more than just hearing other people telling you how it is. The people on this forum could be lying about all of their success for all the random redditor knows. Some of it you can test it and see it working but other aspects, I believe, need to be heard from women to be truly believed for a good number of men. I can only trust strangers on the internet so much with my world view. Hearing my mother talk about how "There's just something special about bad boys" or why she dedbedroomed my dad go a hell of a long way to making reality easier to accept.

[–]fasthandssam 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Even less reliable than anonymous strangers online is the word of a woman.

What women do > what women say. Every. Single. Time.

Now, if you are clarifying that when you said "I like talking to women about TRP concepts" you actually meant "I like talking to my mother about TRP concepts," I guess that is a different idea and I don't have anything to say about it, although I wouldn't do it myself.

But newer readers may get the wrong idea, and (such as with the guy I replied to who likes to talk about TRP with his slutty roommate) think that there could be some benefit to talking about TRP with women. There is no benefit.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Even less reliable than anonymous strangers online is the word of a woman.

Not really. Women usually lie about shit because they put no thought into what their motivations (which isn't really lying but more of justifying and hamster spinning) or because they think they are being judged. If you can make them stop feeling judged then they are happy to tell truths.

There is no benefit.

You keep saying that but it isn't true. Slipping the last part of the blue pill off of you comes from total acceptance of this stuff. An easy way to have that happen is to have the women in your life say the exact same things almost word for word that are said on the side bar.

Seeing as you don't do that then I can understand why you say there's no benefit. I think you are also looking at it from an angry and resentful perspective. Talking about this stuff in that way will make women defensive and that has no benefit in your life. Just like you're saying, and I think that most men in here will do the same, so i agree that most guys will only have negative consequences from it.

So i was sitting in a store and waiting so i strike up a conversation with a woman there just for fun. I'm pretty good with words in person, and i steer the conversation slowly to her husband. I get her to admit that being married to a weak man disgusts her. I get her to admit that her husband had better keep working or she'll find a better one. I do this because it makes me laugh. I don't need confirmation anymore. I do it for the look on her face when she realizes how shitty her beta man is.

Right when she realized how lazy he is i spin the conversation. I start asking how much she brings into the house and what she does. At this point she is thinking of me as an ally so she holds little back. She talks about her husband doing most of the chores and how much he holds the place together. Then bring in friendly jabs about how she makes him do half of the traditionally womans chores but does she share in doing the man's chores. The look on her face when she realized how shitty she was to her man and how much he tolerates was great. It still makes me chuckle thinking about it.

I don't think most men are as manipulative or good with words as i am so i don't recommend this to everyone but if you can get away with it then you should. It's funny stuff.

[–]fasthandssam 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you are also looking at it from an angry and resentful perspective.

Quite the contrary. I'm looking at it from a purely logical perspective.

If you can make them stop feeling judged then they are happy to tell truths.

The problem isn't (just) that women are liars. Women are largely incapable of understanding their own motivations and desires. This is what makes them such an unreliable source. I don't doubt a woman's sincerity when she says she's "looking for a nice guy"... what I doubt is her self-awareness, and her ability to analyze her own thoughts and behaviors objectively.

Slipping the last part of the blue pill off of you comes from total acceptance of this stuff.

Agreed 100%

What I don't agree with is the assertion that you can achieve this by having women repeat TRP theory back to you "word for word." Behavior always trumps words, and experience trumps explanation.

What will sink in more: a woman telling a man that women are cheaters, or a man being cheated on by his LTR? This point is so obvious that I didn't feel it warranted going into detail, but there it is.

So, in the end, I see this as a logical chain. Unfortunately, your reasoning has weakness at several points in this chain.

Point 1: Women are reliable sources for understanding women. wrong- women are unreliable sources, and not just because they are lying or feeling judged- they are incapable of understanding themselves most of the time Point 2: A good way to internalize the Red Pill is to have its theories confirmed by these women (who for the sake of this point we will assume are reliable sources) wrong- behavior > words, experience > explanation

Nothing will drive the red pill home like having a girl begging for your commitment after you have been absolutely horrendous to her, and all the while knowing that there are many a heroic white knight waiting in the wings who would gladly provide her with the love and commitment that she is so certain that she desires.

This leaves you with one possible benefit- that of self-amusement, discussed in your example. I don't really know what to say to that... cool, maybe?

TLDR: Don't talk to women about TRP.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what I doubt is her self-awareness, and her ability to analyze her own thoughts and behaviors objectively.

Women aren't such one dimensional beings. There are plenty of women in redpillwomen that you can see for yourself that they are capable of inner reflection. The reason you see so few women doing this is because men allow them to get away with anything. If that happens they don't grow.

This is one of the reasons you should talk to the women in your life about it. If you point out their weaknesses they are capable of accepting that and growing. Saying that they aren't is just stupid. If you think you lack the capacity to talk to a woman about these things then by all means don't. Helping the women in my life have epiphanies about their existence is well worth it. If you don't want to do that then by all means don't. I don't care.

This isn't the fight club here man. I know a lot of people say we shouldn't talk about it but i think that's just silly. Most of us wouldn't be here if we kept this quiet. That same information can be passed off to women if you know the subject material well enough. One of the endorsed and oldest members here is a woman. Her insight on trp has helped a shit ton of us. Saying that they are just incapable of learning it or that what they say is pointless is just stupid.

[–]RandomSurf1 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well as long as he doesn't marry her he comes out a winner.

[–]verdantsound 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What is considered a lot of money these days anyway?

[–]Habs4thewin 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uh be a micro biologist with a benz?

[–]TissueBabies 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That isn't the right question. You're asking it because you know it's subjective. The question is, what can I get for making X dollars a year? The answer to that is you can get women who make < x dollars or who normally attract men who make < X dollars. It's a sliding scale.

[–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Given how badly most males are in debt, and how little they earn, I'd say over 100k is good for comfortable living; over 500k a year is rich by most people's standards, and over a million a year falls into very wealthy.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with these scenarios is that by the time us guys are 30, we should be looking at the new batch of 20 year olds, instead of focusing on the 30 year old women due to nostalgia.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The OP didn't say, but I wonder if this girl is Indian? It is interesting that her "mother told her to message him." He also mentioned Indian parents "bragging about their kids having great jobs."

This is all too common among Indian girls. They "don't date Indian guys" when they are in their prime (~16-25) but then once they get closer to 30, they start looking for their BB. Indian parents will start pressuring the hell out of women as they approach 30. Also, many of their friends will start getting settled down. Of course, the parents will encourage their daughters to find an "established" bachelor.

It is then that the Indian girls realize that if they want to continue the same lifestyle that Mom and Dad provided, they need a nice BB. They will declare that "cultural values are important" to them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's an Indian girl in my high school exactly like this- cannot stay single for more than an week and her relationships rarely last more than two months. She's on the 4th bf of the year, some white dude after her last bf cheated on her. Claims to be a virgin and all that but 99% sure it's bullshit.

[–]albino_red_head 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Lesson: Don't settle for someone that wouldn't have given you the time of day a few years back. They probably have ulterior motives."

I'm not sure that's the lesson. Of course don't settle, but by all means have some fun, just don't commit to marriage.

[–]oorahplays 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My advice to everyone considering this post. Don't get married. Don't settle down with anyone.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

women should get it through their stupid fucking heads. no one wants a used up whore who rode the cock carousel for years. that's left behind trash. men who have choices should never stoop to that level. it's the most disgusting shit ever when i see women give each other advice to sleep around and get sick of all the alpha males then settle down with a man that respects her and do what she wants.

[–]J_AsapGem 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck this dumbass generation HOW ARE MEN SO EMASCULATE? HOLY SHIT.. this is too much to take in.

[–]greatslyfer 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The hamstering is fucking infuriating

[–]RationalistFaith1 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy Link

No Hymen, no marriage (talking about government free contract of course).

[–]1aguy01 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No hymen no diamond man, come on.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your GF probably dated a certain type BECAUSE it would never work, not in spite of it.

She fucked alphas because she knew they wouldn't commit and keep her tingling...

word for word from the horses mouth.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

not sure but maybe this guy used to be beta . . . but now he makes a lot of money and has a good job, but then again if he was alpha already he wouldn't make that post asking naïve questions. So just a beta with money, and a beta and his money is soon parted.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly if a guy is beta enough to not arrive at this logical conclusion he probably deserves to be cucked.

Women think they can claim 100% of the relationship while giving away 10% of the sex. What kind of guy takes a shitty deal like that.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The worst part is they don't even know they're own AF/BB strategy. That's why all the comments reflect that. That's why any hate towards them is unnecessary. We use this knowledge of their naivety to create our strategy.

[–]techcrium 18 points19 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Listen, the truth is that majority of women have higher SMV at college than guys at college.

What this translates to is that most of them are rotating the alpha frat guys

If you advocate not settling, then you are in for a big surprise.

What I mean is this: Take any 30 year old man who met a 28 year old woman. Let's pretend that we can turn around time and make them both 20 years old.

Do you think that the 20 year old woman would give this 20 year old guy the time of the day?

Most women wouldn't.

I was fucking still playing Pokémon, trading cards, eating lunch packed by mom, living at home at 20. Would any girl give me the time of the day back then? Most definitely not. For you the hold a 10 year grudge is not worth it.

So going back to the Indian guy...I am sure 99% of women in college probably wouldn't give him the time of the day because he was a skinny, nerdy Indian guy, who was in Engineering and probably playing video games like me. If he uses his rationale, then he is gonna be alone for the rest of his life simply dating any woman is considered settling to him.

[–]cassandrita[S] 41 points42 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're assuming that a 28 year old has to 'settle down' with another 28 year old who's slept around. What's stopping him from dating a 20 year old conservative woman?

Do you think that the 20 year old woman would give this 20 year old guy the time of the day?

They'll give the time of day to the right 20 year old. OP didn't say this woman was banging older men. He said she was dating other non-Indian college guys. So yea they were probably frat guys and now she's settling for the guy with a 'good job'.

[–]Beegsi_ 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If she didn't like him before she won't like him after they get married, she'll make him a trained beta buck provider and will probably divorce him once she milks him for every penny. It's better to be alone until the laws change.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this too. She's not gonna forget what he was like when she wasn't attracted to him. Even if he doesn't want to get a drastically hotter, younger chick, he should still have a shred of self respect and find someone that didn't outright reject him in his youth, when he was working towards this present and future

[–]SelfishStoic 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This guy's got it. The perspective is correct. He was not attractive for a decade.

But if he is attractive now, get a younger girl, don't get a middle aged girl who was with Chad.

The problem is he spent a decade investing in beta traits. And by omission of talking about it I assume he cultivated no alpha traits.

So a young girl won't give him the time of day. He's damned if he does or doesn't. He is by definition beta. "Re-Skilling" will take a lot of time. Maybe won't be culturally acceptable but likely better than thinking of the multiple dicks in your wife orifaces. Especially when you got jack experience with girls.

[–]PlusGoody 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TICR. If you've become attractive, use it.

[–]ponkyol 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

...which is why you date 20 year olds when you're 30.

[–]gonorealover 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What exactly was the point of your post ?

[–]techcrium -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Point is to not dwell on past SMV. His SMW at 20 was low...hers was high. Hence she rejected him.

Perhaps now they are equal, so she is contacting him.

He should objectively evaluate what he likes from her and the relationship.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He doesn't have to be alone at all. He's Indian. He can get an arranged marriage to a woman from the subcontinent, and if he's so concerned about it, he can rule out a white-worshipper just by virtue of the fact that there are so few whites. Ruling out sluts is harder, but most of India lives in rural areas where modern decadence has yet to encroach.

Add to the fact that he's a pretty high value guy by Indian standards, and he could score a 7-8/10 with a low or zero N count without too much difficulty.

Somehow, this Indian cuck fails to recognize this, and he's happy to be the cleanup guy for all the bouncers and gangbangers and motorcycle punks that dumped their loads in his girlfriend.

[–][deleted]  (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]cassandrita[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

To be fair this woman is Indian and I think divorce is frowned upon in their culture. But preferences don't change just like that. She was banging a certain 'type' in College for years. She'll keep doing that after she's 'settled down' or at least comparing them to her husband.

[–]Beegsi_ 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

India is actually a feminist country and the culture is changing plus Indians seem very beta. Yeah she'll keep comparing him to the 100s of dudes she mated and most likely cheat.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Indian here, our culture is extremely gynocentric.

[–]Beegsi_ 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree specially after listening to Indian MGTOW https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCme-Jk9rwliVoaBhRvxr_xw/videos

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you have a skewed view on Indians from Indian-American men. Indians from India are alpha and they don't give a fuck who a girl is or where she came from. If they like what they see, they will take it. They are infamous for it. Indian WOMEN are on the extreme end of feminism b/c these guys take it so far that it puts alphas from western countries to SHAME.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The OP is probably fake, the comments are just something between frustrating and infuriating.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The OP has to be a fake. All these Indian cucks have to realize that even if they got duped into beta bucks, the Indian arranged marriage SMV is the one place where beta bucks still works, so long as they bring the alpha game post-marriage.

Their situation is great, but they throw away their advantage by playing the American SMV, where they lose.

How do these morons not realize this?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If the kitten did not want me, I do not want the cat! Lol get this man our sidebar

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

For anyone bored, here is a guy who loves exposing gold diggers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBnf5sJPeaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCma3QzGOEc

He has lots more on his channel

[–]TedTheAtheist 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like this one a lot!

https://youtu.be/Vu3WvJe4YYs

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is vomit-inducing. Could hardly stand to read it considering the guy in question didn't immediate tell her to fuck off!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relevant quote:

"In an interview with GQ earlier this year, Uber chief executive Travis Kalanick referred to his $18 billion company as “Boober” because it gained him “skyrocketing desirability” with women."

Now his Uber is worth more than $60 billion. I'm sure women who didn't give him the time in his day are regretting that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She is just bruteforcing her options. This girl probably break up with somebody. Know she is free. So what to do next? If it is a man he'll probably have anger, a lot of shit for reflection, many-many different things.

But for girls the process is easies - broke up? She'll cry for couple of days then she fuck random stranger at the bar then finally she'll sit and thinking 'Who else I might going to date'. What about this indian guy, he had a crush on me when back in the days. Lets look... Oh, he have a great job know! Might be interesting.

You need to learn from women here. Instead of crying and whining and hating everybody right after break up - get drunk, fuck random whore at the bar and the next sit and bruteforce your option. Pick some new girl. Try to date her. End of the loop.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But what about chad? Doesn't he get the same deal?? I slept around all through my 20s, but guess what? Now used up whores is about all there is left.

Unless you snag one young, they will all be used up

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's why if you are interested in a relationship, you should focus on the younger ones.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If your in your thirties pulling 18 year olds is pretty tough.. By the time they are 22 now they have already rode that carousal

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are few and far between, but there are still some who haven't been ruined by the carousel. Also a girl who has spent a limited amount of time on the carousel and is still close to her SMV is better than a "seasoned veteran" whose SMV is tanking like Macy's stock price.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hip hop lyrics once again hit the nail on the head.

[–]Horus_Krishna_2 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

without clicking I am guessing that is a particular kanye track that has a guest appearance from a mr. foxx.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. If this is real, the woman is delusional beyond comprehension.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

is this even a debate? women get used like a tampon, thrown away then beta guy picks up tampon.. they both deserve one another

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indian guy should have got an arranged marriage. At least there, he would have an assurance that the woman wasn't slutting it up with white guys.

Moron deserves to be a beta cuck.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've made some great improvements in my life the past few years.. Going from some skinny fat loser who drank and partied with idiots every other night, to a fit physique and a student at a top-tier university.

I seriously hope those chicks from yesteryear who turned me down to go fuck random hippie losers at festivals hit me up out of the blue so I can pump n dump their ass.

[–]muddynips 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why you never disclose finances with women you're dating. The second they find out you have a bit of success, the tingles turn into machinations.

[–]sarc0lupus 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure there are many guys in this situation: you were looked over when you were younger (usually because you were studying a professional degree, or working on long-term career or life projects while the Chads and HBs were out at the clubs or backpacking through Central America - which they can easily do while studying their nursing, liberal arts or sociology degrees).

And now the Carousel Season ticket holders are giving you attention (translation, they know they're hitting the wall, and you're an easy meal ticket).

The solution is common-sense RP theory really: -Lift, read the Sidebar, Game and continue working on your mission. You are the prize. Fuck the hotties you want to fuck, and however many you want to fuck. Gain experience from this. Only settle down with a woman worth your time and value; one who would still have gone for 20 year old programmer/apprentice/pre-med/pre-law/start-up entrepreneur you. Stick with women you want (i.e. not nearing the wall Carousel whores) and keep those who add value to your life (note, I said "add" value - only betas think the woman will complete his life). If you plan on having a family, keep the women who will be good mothers to your children.

Leave the Carousel sluts wanting your money and status for some betabux to fall for.

You are already ahead of 95% of the other men here by understanding The Red Pill.

[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I showed this to my LTR and she agreed with the comments. What's up with this crazy rationalisation and defending of other women's actions? I'm so tired of this. Makes me want to just spin plates.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can either view this as "settling" or you can view it as you winning out in the end; as her coming to the understanding that you're truly better than the rest. People who've "settled" are usually less-than-satisfied with their relationship, but stay together because they don't think they can do better.

Not sure if this is actually black-knighting him into not being with the girl

[–]Cooliostorybro 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Newly-swallowed here! I'm confused, so if you're making serious money in your job, that means you're Beta? Or women see you as Beta?

Another question: What if your job is the type which is fairly publicly visible? The reason I ask is that I've been working for YEARS (literally in poverty for those years) to get into a creative career which is really high paying and quite cool in that it'll make me a bit "famous" (not a household name probably, but the stuff I create will be consumed by tens of millions of people around the world) and I've just made it. Will I be seen as a beta bux by girls?

If not, what smv value will this hold for me?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tldr: You will have higher SMV which means you need to screen people much more, not just women.

[–]1Jaereth 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't have to do with the money. You can make a ton of money in your job and live a great life, doing what you want and having control of your relationships/goals. OR, you can make a lot of money and be totally clueless, and let some used up slag come along and latch on to you for the easy free ride for the second half of your life.

I always subtly explain it to guys like when you are buying a new car. You always want to move up. You never want to buy an older car than you currently have or a shittier model.

If you've just "made it" and are new to having real money, you just have to watch out for yourself. If it's obvious you are affluent hotter girls than you have ever dreamed of are going to be coming out of the woodwork. You need to look at it like you are the buyer. What's in it for you? What has this girl accomplished? What does she bring to the table?

Honestly, In your situation and if you are new to the whole theory i'd just make "commitment free" your hard and fast rule. No LTRs, No live-ins. Just be a bachelor and enjoy your success!

[–]Subtletorious 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Try your question in askTRP (see side panel for link)

[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea this tale is pretty common nowadays. She didn't want him at her best. Now she "expects" him to be satisfied with her at her worst.

But, as we all know, Indian men are the most blue pill men on the planet!

[–]Vietnom -1 points-1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Your lesson is absurd. It undermines the entire idea of improvement. Just because you were low status once and have improved to higher status, does not mean you should act butt hurt and reject everyone who treated you differently before you improved.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The point is that this is classic Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks. The girl didn't want him when she was in her prime but now is interested in him because she is ready to settle down with a good provider.

He should focus on younger, more attractive women rather than those using him as a backup plan.

[–]ChildOfTheLostTribes -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stopped reading at "Indian guy". It starts to get redundant.

[–]Newdist2 -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this the indian troll again?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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