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Welcome newcomers. We've prepared a great sidebar for you. Please do go ahead and read that, then sort by TOP > All Time and read that.

Every so often, there's a post about how TheRedPill has some great stuff about confidence and self-improvement, but it's all going to kill you on the inside. The most recent one came up earlier and so I thought I'd respond.

Feel free to ask questions or discuss below, there's lot of smart people here to help you.

The OP, with his post at the top: http://archive.is/ctopL

My reply:

I thought I'd challenge some of your points, I have some time waiting for my flight.

I'd preface this with a statement that TheRedPill, which has come out of the PUA community, is 100% a male focused strategy. It's interested in attaining the most utility for men, so it doesn't matter when people complain about it's "tone" towards women, because it's tone doesn't matter: TRP is not about what's best for women.

Secondly, I'll inb4 anyone tries to reject my arguments by saying something like, "You just sound like an angry virgin." (As if being a virgin, as a guy, is a bad thing.)

Why is it weird/wrong that we enjoy a prolonged adolescence where sex is fun and the points don't matter?

Because the points do matter. Studies have shown that having multiple prior sexual partners dramatically increases your odds of being unhappy in your marriage, which leads to divorce.

Often Cited Source

Another with more weight, since I don't like that one so much.

No one wants to date a man that whores himself around to feel less empty inside anymore than they want to date a woman who does the same.

I disagree. In my experience, when I'm in a bar and I come with 2 girl friends, picking up is much easier. Women like to see that other women want you.

A man who "whores himself around" has strong social skills, high emotional intelligence and a life that is attractive to the women around him. Good luck being a sexually active man if you're overweight, have no ambitions or confidence and can't talk to girls.

A women who does the same is a slut because this takes 0 effort. I've seen fat, ugly girls who have abrasive personalities going home with guys because the guy is thirsty.

Now, for a women to get a relationship from a wealthy and attractive man who is on his game, she must have good social skills, an interesting life and be charming enough to entice him.

A lock that is opened by any key is a shitty lock, a key that opens any lock is a master key.

Mind you, if she fucks you, she's a whore.

You're falling into the logical fallacy of oversimplification. I don't want to get into the pages that have been written about what you just tried to describe in four lines.

The fact is that women today bring little to the table. (Men are in many cases just as bad, hence TRP's preaching about self-improvement.)

Women and men trade sex for resources, at a basic biological level. Biology creates culture, which then creates ideology. More on this here if you don't understand.

If I meet a girl, kinda drunk, grinding on the dance floor, I can safely assume that she's not a virgin. From there, I can read the rest of her through our interactions until I have a general idea of what I'm willing to pay (in terms of commitment) for having sex with her.

If she takes a shitty deal and doesn't get ANY commitment out of me, that's very unattractive because she's probably slept with a TON of men before me. Men generally choose charming, happy, youthful girls, rather than jaded, abrasive and older (in spirit or in body) girls. If you've been with 50+ guys and been unable to extract any level of long-term commitment from them, that's really going to fuck with your head. More on the "1000 cock stare" here. And in that case, why would I want to commit to you? Why buy the cow, if you get the milk for free?

On the flip side, if a girl who doesn't bring anything to the table (isn't charming, isn't fun to be around, constantly challenges you, can't care for you on some level, etc.) then she can't ask much from me. I'm not going to wait 3 months to have sex with you because it's not worth the effort. Your friends will have sex with me, and they're just as vapid and boring as you.

For example, this girl gets pumped and dumped by a hot guy she's excited about and then gets mad about it. She is now telling her audience that waiting is the right idea. Sorry honey, but if you're not going to compete for men on price, you have to compete in other ways.

To sum it up, if I overpay (I take you out for 3 months when the last 7 guys fucked you on the first night) then I'm a chump. If you undercharge (You sleep with me 2 hours after meeting me) then you're a whore.

If you want to have a long-term relationship, then find a women who brings serious value and isn't a whore.

and not judge the women who do the same. [have casual sex]

Because men and women are different. Men are the keepers of commitment. (He decides when the relationship starts, he asks you out.) And women are the keepers of sex. (She decides when she consents to having sex, anything else is rape.)

A man who gives away his commitment easily is a man who falls in love with every girl who gives him attention. He's needy and desperate and it's pathetic to women (and everyone). Just the same, a women who gives her sexuality away easily is not worthy of commitment. These girls been sluts since the dawn of time, it's only now we're trying to change the definition.

The only people who insist you do [accept their ideology], reject you if you don't, are cults.

Obviously, this is not the case. Go to TRP right now and take a look into the threads. It's basically a giant debate. TRP advises against marriage, yet has a meta tag for, and often discusses, the problems facing men who are already in marriages.

They often debate the merits of marriage as "life on hard mode", and the benefits of bringing children into this world who you can mold into powerful men and supportive women.

To say there is no discussion in TRP is disingenuous.

That's a problem we MUST address.

So who is going to do it? Who is addressing these problems you claim are real for men? Are you?

Are you starting a community that offers advice and help for young men who are completely lost?


You're just a critic that wants to silence something that makes you uncomfortable, while offering no alternatives. Meanwhile, feminism continues it's march to destroy masculinity.

Every so often, there is a post or comment on Reddit about how TRP "seems not to work and [can] be really damaging". It gets a zillion comments and gets on on the front page. It says, "TRP has some really great things to say, but in the end it's really bad for you. I wish they'd tone it down a bit."

But then the subscribers jump significantly in the weeks afterwards because it's not "much to do about nothing".

On that note, I'd like to welcome anyone reading this to go check out TheRedPill. Form your own opinions. Just a tip: before you start posting, I'd get a cup of coffee and start going through ALL of the sidebar. A lot of effort has been put into curating it.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (5 children)

Attention new readers!

A guided tour of the sidebar made just for newbies like you.

A quick rebuttal of some of the arguments made against this community.

For those wondering what the hell is going on, a CMV thread mentioned us and then it got bestof'd.

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[–]RPthrowaway123 25 points26 points  (17 children)

A few quick acrnoyms/terms:

  • AWALT and NAWALT - All Women Are Like That/Not All women Are Like That

  • AF/BB - Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks (sometimes shortenede to alpha fux beta bux) basically short for the idea that women want alpha genes, they want to fuck/date alphas, but when it's time for stability (i.e. marriage) they find some poor wimpy beta and make him into their provider. Typically the beta doesn't get half the desire, sex, or fun that the alphas got out of the women. Women tell these betas that they have "won" somehow.

  • TRP - the red pill

  • her number - generally, the number of guys she has slept with

  • Alpha - strong, confident, dominant. I don't presume to speak for everyone's concept of alpha but these traits are commonly mentioned.

  • Beta - supplicating, pathetic, validation-seeking. Again, these are probably the most common traits I see associated with being beta.

  • LTR - long term relationship

  • ONS - one night stand

  • PUA - pickup artist (generally, refers to the community of pickup artists)

Any ones I'm forgetting?

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[–]RPthrowaway123 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ah, I knew I was forgetting one. SMV - sexual market value. The concept comes from the book The Rational Male.

[–]UziNidalee 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Social or Sexual Market Value - Basically how highly people rate you as a person.

[–]adam_varg 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Since you are newbie... meaning of AWALT isnt, that literally every women is like that, but "all women are capable of that" and lot of them will/would do that in some situation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 7 points8 points  (3 children)

It is all women are "like" that. Not all women are EXACTLY like that.

All women have a tendency to cheat, especially if you are not providing leadership. It doesn't mean all women cheat...but all women are "like" that. This is a very useful shorthand that Blue Pill distorts into something that was never intended.

[–]adam_varg 1 point2 points  (2 children)

English isnt my first language and little nuances are easy to miss for me sometimes, so i reckon you are right.

Could you pinpoint where i made mistake? I still see what i wrote as same who you wrote, just different words..

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You didn't miss anything, not sure what the response intended to be honest.

[–]spacecase89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RMV is sometimes used as relationship market value, similar to SMV

[–]enfier 8 points8 points [recovered]

You should change that definition of Beta. Beta qualities are the ones that keep a woman around like being able to pay the bills. If you want an LTR or marriage, you'll want to pull from both Alpha and Beta qualities, erroring on the side of Alpha if in doubt.

If all you've got is Beta qualities, then prepare to have to jump through hoops to get laid. If all you want is to get laid, then you have no need for Beta qualities.

Alpha is what makes her want to fuck, beta is what makes you useful to raising a family.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

HB -- Hot Babe, generally followed by a numerical value up to 10.

E.g. I fucked the dog-shit out of that HB10 last night bro.

[–]TRP_DarkTriad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't see your comment until I scrolled down. Repeated this :(

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omega - bottom of the social hierarchy, offers nothing of value to the world.

[–]TRP_DarkTriad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a hard time figuring out this acronym when I was a newbie here

HB(n) - Hot Babe(n) - The universal scale of rating girls ranging from 1 to 10. HB10 being the most beautiful and the HB1 being the least.

[–]RPFlame 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you're planning to post and stick around for a while, you should make a RP-only account. Redditors tend to peek into your history and call you names if you don't agree with their beliefs, and some subreddits auto-ban people who post here.

[–]smokebloom 3 points3 points [recovered]

Not really. I found that it's best to google the acronym with "red pill" or "trp" appended and the correct definition will come up.

[–]shhRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Another tip, as you're reading the sidebar (which does explain all the ridiculous acronyms we have, I believe) look through TRP and sort by 'best - all time'

should give you some really good reading for the next couple of days.

[–]alvlear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just look at the sidebar: Glossary of Terms and Acronyms, under The Rules & Glossary.

This is the best managed subreddit of all time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table 254 points255 points  (18 children)

The biggest objection that the BP folks have to this place--and the one they'll never admit--is the fact that it's a male space designed to cater to male tastes and needs only

In a society that increasingly bends over to accommodate and acquiesce to female needs--having a male-oriented space that puts men first, second and every number of consequence is sacrosanct.

TRP is railed as being misogynistic because in this world of ours, all it takes to be labeled as such is to simply not be concerned with women's issues and agendas.

We exist in a time of "with me or against me" and the fact that we calmly state "no, for me, first" is taken as a direct assault on the increasingly messed up view and modus operandi of this society.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 91 points92 points  (7 children)

The most ironic thing about all this shit is that if men do follow our advice what are they doing that's so horrible? Focusing on self-improvement (lifting, career, etc), developing REAL confidence (not scripted PUA shit) and naturally passing shit tests (their women are happy that they have a strong mate).

How the hell is that misogynistic? That women can't use men as much as before?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 78 points79 points  (4 children)

The girls I'm fucking sure seem to enjoy having a man who doesn't bend to her every whim, is capable, and puts himself first. It's refreshing to most girls I meet that I don't kiss her ass, and the result is they're attracted to me.

There are girls who demand to be the prize, want to have every wish fulfilled by me, and ya know what? They don't get a fucking thing from me. Not even a fuck, not attention, and zero validation. They cease to exist. What have they done for me? Nothing. Why should I do anything at all for them?

That's not misogyny, that's reality.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 36 points37 points  (3 children)


I was having a conversation with a plate last night about this (she was volunteering the information). She loves how I fuck her and fuck her well. That I take charge and don't ask for permission. She then went off about a previous bad date where the guy was a complete pussy. He asked for permission to hold her fucking hand! Feminists would call that guy a "nice guy" that they want all men to be.

Feminism is just one giant shit-test to screen out the betas from the alphas.

[–]thomascoopers 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Feminists would call him a "nice guy", but they sure as fuck aren't going to suck his dick. "WE'RE NOT MACHINES THAT YOU PUT NICE GUY COINS IN TO THE DISPENSE SEX FROM!"

[–]hipfash3 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I had a plate who 'trained' me to politely ask her for sexual favors. Once I was 'trained' she had no respect for me, acted like I was a complete asshole, made up some reasons and left.

[–]TheReddHobbit 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Sounds like she had a plate. Lesson learned.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 11 points12 points  (0 children)

How the hell is that misogynistic?

When you are used to special privileges, equal treatment feels like oppression.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If anything it's misogynistic to encourage men to be blue pill wimps and cowards. When a man sets liberal standards for what he expects (i.e.: "the bar") it's going to sink as low as it can.

Look around at society today.. We have these narcissistic obese women wearing clothing that is designed for healthy fit women such as bikinis shirts that expose midriff, booty shorts etc.. These obese women DEMAND that we view them as "healthy" "beautiful" etc when they look like they need severe help with their dietary patterns.

The loser "last man" royal class (most of the republican candidates of the race) whining about losing to big bad Donald Trump.

And the general cucking of working/middle class America. Brainwashing peoples' minds with cable TV, music that turns kids depressed so they start sucking big pharm's tit and creates a generation of useless men. Scared men, sad men, men who generally submit with little to no fight. It's like we're being bred to be more docile.. Like dogs.

[–]helicopter_kin 27 points28 points  (1 child)

The quoted top response lets on to this fact with:

"I also agree that a lot of guys got fucked in the last two decades by being kind of lost in a mish-mash of masculine ideology that doesn't make a lot of sense. That's a problem we MUST address".

See that guys? Masculine ideologies are a problem we "must" address. Fuck off; masculine thoughts/actions are being treated as social disorders in schools and by mothers. If anything men need more masculine outlets not fewer.

[–]FerrusMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"That's a problem we MUST address."

Translation: "We must figure out out to separate the red pill fakers from the real alphas."

What they don't understand is that by learning red pill thinking, a man becomes an alpha. Or even worse, they do and can't stand the fact that a beta can become an alpha, and we can't have that now can we?

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[–]FerrusMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or held accountable for their actions.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's exactly what it is. We live in an era where denial of female supremacy is misogyny.

This is the place where we have the audacity to consider our own needs before those of others.

[–]FerrusMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if it's that bad, but it's certainly on the way there. I would say we are at the point of anything considering a man's point of view is considered misogyny. I think men are awakening though, too many husbands and boyfriends getting dumped. They are going to reap what they sow, and the ironic thing about it is that in the end they will be happier, because once the pendulum swings back there will be more masculine men.

[–]321LTD123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The biggest objection that the BP folks have to this place--and the one they'll never admit--is the fact that it's a male space designed to cater to male tastes and needs only

This upsets the solipsistic worldview of the weak minded. If a space exists that "they don't feel comfortable in"(meaning doesn't cater to them) than that space's existence implies an objective universe that isn't about them. Like a child, they are upset with new outside information, because that proves that they aren't omnipotent and perfect. Growth is pain and the weak fear it.

[–]MagmaiKH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was in a fraternity in college and a major purpose of that organization is to teach dopey college nerds how to be more alpha. Fast-forward twenty years and they voted to allow women to join. RIP that safe place for men to be men and what a shame on us that we let it fail.

If you are unaware a written down goal of feminism is to eliminate all male-only spaces.

[–]That_Deaf_Guy 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Any ideology that says you have to take it wholesale, that you can't pick and choose, that you're wrong for accepting one tenet and rejecting another, is bullshit. 

Doesn't TRP state we should pick out the information we find useful and dismiss any that we don't?

[–]Tajikistan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah at that point it's hard not to look at it as a propaganda piece. It's almost as if they made the changemyview post just to reply to it and then get it to the front using bestof, a forum so biased against trp that they literally ban you if you have trp in your post history.

The real question is where do we go now that reddit has been dead for years

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought that was the most bizarre objection. Nobody is married to TRP concepts. We do what works and if it works, then it WILL become a TRP concept. You literally have to adjust them on the fly in a marriage or LTR so this claim is a complete misunderstanding of what we are doing.

[–]MagmaiKH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's garbage. If the ideas are fundamentally sound then the entirety of their conclusions will be sound.
You might only take action based on some of them but either it's a mess of uncertainty or the whole thing is solid.
The entire difficulty in creating something solid is that one bad idea can ruin it.

Truth has a way of showing itself because if it's true nothing can knock it down.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 77 points78 points  (19 children)

On the TRP hates sluts thing.

When looking to hook up I only care about looks and a halfway decent personality. If they are cool and look good I fucking love sluts. When hooking up a girl playing hard to get runs the risk of me not finding the juice worth the squeeze.

If Id ever want to get into an LTR and commit to a monogamous relationship I'll screen for other qualities like partner count, basic life skills, being pleasant to be around for longer than one night etc. In this case her playing at least somewhat hard to get is a positive.

So no TRP doesnt collectively hate sluts. It does advice men to not wife up a whore.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children)

From the OP linked comment

if a woman fucks you, she's a whore

yes. all women are whores in the right circumstances. This blows the betas mind. The "Disney" version of a pure princess waiting for them is what they cling to in order to have hope for the future

"well, you idiot, isn't that the same for men too?" yes it is, idiot. But nobody pretends men are these pure and chaste angels. "Men are dogs, men are pigs, etc" Everyone already knows this. But betas/women pretend like it doesn't apply to women. And as other people have said ITT, they aren't the same thing. A woman offering easy sex, a slut, is the same as a guy offering easy commitment and adoration, a beta orbiter. A guy will only keep the slut (as the woman will only keep the beta) as long as it suits them, but they don't care about or want the person around them really.

Women will be the filthiest sluts given the right circumstances. That cute girl you saw reading in the corner of starbucks will beg to be gangbanged when she's turned on properly.

But that's not what kills the beta the most. They can maybe accept that ok, women in the "RIGHT" circumstances might be sluts. Fine. What they can't handle is the reality that the girl they tried to date, or are dating/married to, and the sex she holds on to so tightly now as your little reward was once shoved with both hands at a Chad who put in 0 effort. She let him do things to her that the beta can only dream of, or at this point, have nightmares of. And she will do the same again one day.

When a beta has to confront these realities, it will either drive him further into permanent delusions and essentially turn him in to a willing or unwilling cuck, it will shatter his reality and he will have to learn the true nature of human relationships from somewhere like TRP, or will give up and become a foreveralone loser.

[–]FerrusMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think what blew my mind most of all was just how badly I was lied to over the years, by people who knew better. I mean I always knew that girls could be sluts, and some girls fucked assholes. But I didn't realize that it was basic human sexual dynamics 101. Why would I, everyone close to me kept trying to teach me that a square peg fits in a round hole. When I finally unplugged, it was like living in an upside down world, and all my critical thinking became questionable. What else was I wrong about? Then you've got the whole everyone you know is trying to slap you back down to doormat status, it's a rough fucking road to unplug. But I wouldn't have it any other way. It's a very hard reality to accept.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I have a friend who just recently got dumped by a notorious slut he tried to date. Dude is completely dejected. She didn't even give him a reason, only that "she wanted to be single for the summer". He actually, 100% honestly didn't know what she meant by that. This kid said he spent 500 dollars on their 2 month relationship, and that she treated him like shit. This notorious whore, whom he invested 500 bucks in as well as his emotions didn't even fuck him. Not once. But she'll fuck random guys without thinking twice, and clearly dumped him to do so.

I feel so fucking bad for him. He's about as blue pilled as you can possibly be, and was totally shocked when this fucking whore used him as an emotional tampon and tossed him out in the garbage. Men need shit like TRP, to prevent them emotional turmoil and to make them happier in their lives.

[–]8n0n 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This notorious whore, whom he invested

'Relationships are restaurants, not banks.'

Find the submission in this sub with that title and it should kill the idea that relationships are things you invest in.

[–]Modredpillschool 26 points27 points  (11 children)

When looking to hook up I only care about looks and a halfway decent personality.

Can't have sex with her personality.

[–]Meristry 32 points32 points [recovered]

Not directly, no. But I have noticed that sex is always better with women with whom I have had a somewhat vibrant interaction beforehand. Some women are totally dtf and good looking but have zero social skills/personality. The sex with them has always sucked in my experience.

[–]Readinglevelup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I have a hard time understand those on TRP who would basically fuck any girl. I feel so disgusted if I fuck a girl with no personality or if they're dumb as hell. I actually feel like they don't deserve my dick. Even worse if they are a bigot.

[–]trptwerp 5 points6 points  (3 children)

True, but as Marsupian said, in the quest for an LTR, that is a mighty fine bullet point. There's some bible verse on how its better to live on the corner of your roof than with an annoying harpy.

[–]Stone_tigris 6 points7 points  (2 children)

[–]trptwerp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, thank you.
That verse should be in the corner of our hearts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I had a few that were just annoying to talk to. Wasnt worth the sex. Obviously when they are really hot Ill let my dick do the talking and make sure to put something in their mouth if they get annoying.

[–]adam_varg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I cant and dont want to have sex with her personality. But shitty personality or low intelligence is such turn off for me, that unless she would immedietely drop on her knees upon meeteing, i loose interest.

[–]MagmaiKH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does advice men to not wife up a whore.

That means never marry unless go you high-risk and try Marriage 1.0 which also not advisable.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 176 points177 points  (30 children)

A man who "whores himself around"

You're comparing apples and oranges. Male equivalent of a slut (sex with any man) is a a dude who gives commitment to any girl immediately after meeting her.

[–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (10 children)

Yup. The male equivalent of a slut is a beta faggot in the friend-zone.

[–]willysmiles 21 points22 points  (8 children)

That was me for so long and I am sick to my stomach. I used to let a girl stay at my place in my bed on weekends cause I live downtown.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (2 children)

The glory of being man is that every time we start over with a new woman we have our chance to be alpha in her eyes. Women, however, cannot be virgins every time they start over with a new man. Lol

[–]J_AsapGem 11 points12 points  (3 children)

don't beat yourself up, most of us when through those times main fact though is that you're here, and the most important thing i've learned is self acceptance and realization, it's not an easy process but realizing that you're enough and you don't need another person or thing to feel complete gets you so far in life and also with women, that's what i'm working on imbedding that into my subconscious consciously. i love this quote by tits_outforboys "Game is your charisma, your social intelligence, and your proficiency in the art of seduction. It's the deeply-ingrained belief that you are confident and self-sufficient, which manifests itself in the form of outcome independence. It's an acquired knowledge, a Mastery of how to deal with people. "Game is the ability to be effortlessly likable to others, and the fact that it's effortless will paradoxically make people like you even more. But make no mistake: Reaching this level of effortless Mastery is only possible if you've already invested a large amount of time & effort into apprenticing yourself in Game."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I'm a naturally charismatic person. I was always like that even as early as 2nd grade. People loved me and I loved myself. Then, for a variety of reasons, that confidence faded in early HS. My self esteem evaporated. Suddenly I was not only not charismatic but a shy and socially anxious kid. I hid the anxiety well though and people continued to like me but everything I said and everything I did was second guessed by myself. I fell into depression, felt like shit and hated myself.

Then, I discovered this sub. Suddenly, I wasn't so alone anymore. I wasn't directionless. I had a direction, and that direction was trending upwards. I started working out, and lifting more often and my confidence grew. I felt a motivation I had only ever felt when I was pushed by the idea of failing and looking stupid, except this time it came from within. It didn't come from others. The change in myself has been nothing short of incredible. I take control like I did for so many years. I dominate the conversation. I'm outcome independent. I know that what I say will be recieved well because I'm a fucking awesome kid and my opinion matters. My charisma is returning, and I feel the best I've felt in years. My life as a depressed beta is coming to a close. I'm going back to where I was and where I deserve to be: at the top of the food chain. This is in 2 fucking months of this sub. 2. Fucking months. I can't wait to see where I'll be in 2 years.

You simply cannot be charismatic if you don't love yourself. You can't be funny if you second guess everything you say. People won't love you if you don't love yourself. Let me repeat that, people won't love you if you don't love yourself.

[–]J_AsapGem 2 points3 points  (1 child)

preach it brother! nothing but the truth.

You simply cannot be charismatic if you don't love yourself.

this is so true, i find when you accept yourself it's easier to have fun and people honestly love you for it, for the past week i finally found out what it means to " accept " yourself and man.. it's like i made a complete 180* turn on my life, for years you worry about " what will they think if i do this, or act this certain way " it's a stifling and painful process of selfdoubt you're worried with what others think, i'm not anywhere close to being where i want to be but it's a major change and as you said i can't wait to see myself in 2 years time, we gonna dominate the world bro :D

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This self revelation has come at the perfect time for me. Too early, and I would've pissed away highschool in pursuit of short term pleasure instead of having long term aspirations. Too late and I would've missed out on some of the best years of my life. But I'm at a point where the heavy academic lifting is all but done in HS. Senior year is gonna be relatively easy. It's a perfect time to pick up momentum going into a good college where I'll make up for the lost time.

[–]Lord_NShYH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was me for so long and I am sick to my stomach.

Don't hate yourself for previous mental illness. Recognize the symptoms, and keep yourself fit.

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That is actually true inverse of a slut in terms of sexual status with the other gender.

[–]TedTheAtheist 28 points29 points  (9 children)

I've had an online date girl who've I met for the first time upset that my profile was still active... like, during the date. She stopped talking to me because right after the date it was still up...

[–]Hunter2isit 45 points46 points  (2 children)

... and that's why we don't pay for dates

[–]TedTheAtheist 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yup! Coffee at most!

This weekend a group of girls asked me to sit with them at IHOP after I came in and walked past them, saying hi to the hot chick. One or two of them were hot, the other was fat.

Anyhow, when the check came, they let it sit there a bit - I guess waiting for me to take it? The fat one even tried to mention I should pay for it in a jokingly manner. I laughed and put in a bit of sarcasm. They all paid for themselves. :) I still got the number of the hot chick.

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for two games of pool and two drinks I got a 3 hole tour. I guess I'm just not chad enough to have her pay for me.

[–]other_worlds 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was surprised when I started dating in my late 30s there were women who did this. It was a slim minority of women, but it made me laugh every time.

A woman demanding men make a commitment before meeting for the first time is like a man demanding sex before going out for coffee.

Neither one can be taken seriously.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (4 children)

This was a shit test, and you did not pass go, and did not collect additional 'N'.

[–]SpongeBoobSquareTits 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Why do you assume he failed? Failure would involve placating her by apologizing and deleting the profile or something. If it actually was a shit test, he'd pass by ignoring her or calling her out on being a nutjob. But doesn't sound like a shit test to me...just another crazy

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Crazies deliver the harshest shit tests.

[–]coolCharcoal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct answer would have been : * smirk on face * Guilty as Charged

Field Tested.

[–]Lord_NShYH 3 points4 points  (0 children)

is a a dude who gives commitment to any girl immediately after meeting her.

Betas never understand this point; or, if they do, pretend they don't, and especially if they won't break the habit of putting every woman they meet on a pedestal of imagined purity. As we all know, women who are realistic about their SMV get any thirsty beta (I hesitate to call them men) at or below her own SMV.

The beta male analog is the guy that automatically gives away his power through unbalanced commitment to any woman he meets; regardless of her SMV.

We live in interesting times.

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[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (10 children)

This is an excellent response. One other thing I'd like to add:

And since the good parts, the helpful parts, are really healing and validating it is hard to not want to go..."Well, okay, I have to get rid of the beta, blue-pill bullshit that made me so sad and miserable so of course, I have to agree with [insert insane idea here]". I'd like to note that this is EXACTLY how Scientology works.

The axiom of her statement is "Scientology is bad. You don't want to be like a Scientologist, do you?" That's it. That's all she's got. The rest is her trying to rationalize equality between men and women, which you amply pointed out, and her ignorant claims of what she thinks our reading material is.

The resulting thread is so fucking depressing. "There are nuggets of truth, but the philosophy itself is still poison, because I say it is" is the dominant response, right along with "it's like a cult." Nobody talking over there is doing so with honesty.

TRP doesn't make money. It doesn't promise hope or redemption.

[–]KorianHUN 18 points19 points  (7 children)

I don't take every advice here, i read a few posts and i found TRP a few months ago. It is not my life, but i generally feel better because i know now what i did wrong and how can i try to fix it.
It actually works.
What OP wrote "Good luck being a sexually active man if you're overweight, have no ambitions or confidence and can't talk to girls." is true.
I was fat with no will to do anything and no confidence.
I'm still fat, but now i have general short and long term plans and goals and more confidence to talk with everyone overall.
I don't commit 100% to TRP, i'd say i follow and understand probably 20% or less of it and it is in face good life advice.

[–]rigbyismyhomie 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Take what you want and leave the rest. TRP isn't here to make you a "follower", it's here to give you information.

[–]Askada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also it doesn't expect anything from you in return.

Take whatever you want from it or leave it.

[–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (4 children)

"It actually works"

Yep, it sure does, as shocking, surprising, and most of all depressing as that is. I remember being in a business meeting back in blue pill days, and somebody was being an assclown, and I was in a bad mood that day and completely castrated him in front of everyone, not my usual style. (he certainly deserved it) After that meeting, there was a woman who was there who wanted my ass badly. I remember thinking how fucked up is that? I was a jerk to this guy and it lit her fire big time.

Now of course it makes complete sense, I am enlightened. But I also see the oz behind the curtain and it's depressing at just how close to animals we really are. It's a bitter pill.

[–]KorianHUN 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I was a socialist young teen "niceguy" and wondered why this girl wanted to meet me and go to places but reject every time i tried to "advance" (badly, i mean i had no tactic, i was shy af).
Then recently i invited a girl to a drink at my place, she said okay, i was like what the fuck? No "being nice" and other bullshit, just having to straight up ask her.
Second part was even more "weird" when it first happened. Her reaction was much better when she did something stupid and i just said "Yeah, i expected that from a blonde" (or something like this). She liked it much better when i was like this than shower her with fake compliments.

[–]Askada 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Because girls like witty and funny guys. They won't be attracted to you if you blindly follow them like a dog, they like feels.

When she playfully calls you an asshole that's the sweet spot.

[–]KorianHUN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm good so far then. I will just have to figure out everything else too.

[–]shhRP 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A huge difference between TRP and scientology (for example) is that TRP asks nothing from you. If you're a good contributor, contribute if you want. Nobody is asking for money (well, a GLO exception but he offers products/services/whatever maybe dickpicks idk) or even your time.

Really, TRP is more of a charity than anything. A philosophy that requires no membership dues.

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[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Welcome newcomers

Ever wonder why women cheat on you with douchebags? Are you curious how to say No to folks who are using you? Want to be the absolute best man you can be? Did you know you have no responsibility for other people's problems? And their opinions mean nothing?

Then keep reading

[–]Red__Alt 17 points17 points [recovered]

Excellent rebuttal. I love this community. And no, I don't agree with everything I read - and that's okay. This is a community built on a fundamentally different foundation than society as a whole has been built on - that men are different than women. I guess some people don't like that.

[–]zenhoodman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Gender differences are what make us human. TRP is humanist and logical. Feminism is illogical and poisonous for gender identity. These yearly posts that demonize us are getting old.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 29 points30 points  (1 child)

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Hey newbies...this is Rollo..a fucking national treasure....read up.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 33 points34 points  (4 children)

We advocate that men become the kind of man that women throw themselves at. I don't see how that is bad in any way.

[–]TheYambag 24 points25 points  (3 children)

That's a gynocentric way of putting it. Be the kind of men other men want to be, if you become that, women will follow.

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It is a gynocentric way to put it but it is true.

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Essentially .. be the batman

[–]grewapair 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Bottom line, this sub is about how NOT to be used by women.

Of course they won't like it.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn't there a meme about the patriarchy, racism, privilege, etc that goes something along these lines...

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This one too...

You are not being oppressed when another group gains rights that you've always had.

Those two statements (taken directly from Google Image Search) sum it up neatly about why women hate TRP. It shatters the rose tinted glasses and takes away the free pass that women have become accustomed to over the years.

[–]trptwerp 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It's funny that the reply insinuates that trp has cult characteristics such as forcing people to take ALL of the advice wholesale.

I can't say how many times people have used the salad bar analogy here.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because the people who often argue against TRP don't bother to do their homework and actually understand what it's about. That's why I personally advocate not talking about TRP and not bothering to convert anyone. If people want to swallow it, then they'll do it on their own. We're not here to hold any hands.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 64 points65 points  (17 children)

The Blue Pill folks will always approach understanding of the Red Pill from the dumbed down position where they begin.

We are the truth seekers, willing to endure painful realizations in order to improve ourselves.

The Blue Pill is a progressive dumbing down where at each step along the way the dumber you get the more you feel like you are progressing in a good way. So as you go deeper and deeper into the Blue Pill mythology your ability to wake up reduces.

We are going in different directions:


  • Red Pill - Waking Up (painful)

  • Blue Pill - Dumbing Down (pleasureable)


...suicide is painless.

The Blue Pill in effect says:

"Choose to be Dumbed Down because that path requires less effort. If you Wake Up you will experience the pain of truth. Avoid pain at all costs. Avoid the truth."


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[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 9 points10 points  (3 children)

If that were true, then bloopers would be the happiest people around - what with their divorce rape and duty sex and self-righteous indignation.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well, they usually are pretty satisfied with themselves until their reality is shattered, sure.

I know I was when I was a BP idiot.

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You must always seek the light. Lest you seek darkness and abdicate your own agency to the dark forces.

What is inherently good, is not always pleasurable. Think about Buddhist monks who put themselves through the most arduous experiences to attain enlightenment. Even Jesus was crucified for his beliefs, because they went against the mainstream.

"I'd rather die like a man, than live like a coward" -2pac

Although he wasn't the most cited scholar, 2pac spoke the truth.

Edit: Spelling

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If you really want to get into it. Rap has devolved from being about the lyrics, what someone is saying, to just wanting to blast some music that has a cool beat. People don't even pay attention to the lyrics anymore, its just the heavy bass that makes them feel thuggish.

Thanks to that you can have guys like Lil'Wayne, that get high, spit some stupid shit, spin a cool beat over his gibberish. And boom, cash money.

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[–]teeelo 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Secondly, I'll inb4 anyone tries to reject my arguments by saying something like, "You just sound like an angry virgin." (As if being a virgin, as a guy, is a bad thing.)

I love you.

So many Beta Cuck Bluepers throw that one around. They may as well toss eggs in our faces as well.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's an odd insult. It's accepting the notion of a man having sex as being representative that he has value, yet they're using that to argue against TRP.

[–]bornredd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is my personal favorite, considering I'm married and my wife is throwing herself at me every time I come home.

[–]dissentforall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had some feminists try and throw the virgin and sexless loser tag at me when I got in a FB discussion about nice guy behavior. i had 4 plates at the time and 2 female friends (one a former plate) actually spoke up for me and laughed at them. Then the discussion shifted to shaming them for trying to belittle others with sex. Was great comedy.

Shaming is their only weapon and if you're doing well it has zero effect on you.

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[–]teeelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Terrific, it's like a shit test cheat sheet.

[–]yaysmr 18 points19 points  (7 children)

It is interesting that they make very absolute claims over what TRP teaches, but DON'T actually pull up examples of such from the board.

If it were that horrible, then they should be able to show highly-upvoted posts that have us saying what they think we say. But if they did that then people might actually READ the posts and come to their own conclusions.

On top of that, the few I bother to engage with don't actually have a rebuttal/refutation for the theory, they just want to point and condemn it.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Oh, TBP definitely has a compilation of some of the highly voted, fucked up posts by prominent members. It's just sad 90% of them are taken out of context.

[–]gives_heroin_to_kids 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Honestly I like posting things specifically to offend BPers every so often

[–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

TRP will certainly kill you on the inside if you subscribed to the modern lie of marriage, women and monogamy. But that's not the fault of the subject matter- that's your (and your environments) fault for making you believe something that's so utterly stupid and obviously false.

Women who tout that men can be whores to are the most delusional duplicitous creatures you can meet. First and foremost they are massive sluts trying to spin logic in such a way that absolves them of their inherent low value. Second they are completely unaware about proper female game and male game. She's equal to a blue pill SWJ in terms of obliviousness.

Also that girl in the video has no place to get mad about pumps and dumps or giving advice. I got annoyed by that make up-ed bowl-fish face after three seconds. High value men will never be within her reach.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 43 points43 points [recovered]

Welcome Cucks.

Some start-up readings:

Your struggle and pain? Women neither understand nor give much of a fuck by /u/IllimitableMan

Corpse Feeders by /u/GayLubeOil

Women are as shitty as you let them be by /u/Archwinger

The Pareto Principle by /u/Rollo-Tomassi

The Light-Switch Effect - Why Women Re-Write the History of Relationships. by /u/redpillschool

Reaching your masculine "Singularity" by /u/NeoreactionSafe

PSA: Power Is Dangerous by /u/Clint_Redwood

Read those, then click on the users name and read more.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Don't forget the key books like No More Mr. Nice Guy, 48 laws, and many more.

[–]Hunter2isit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll add The Art of Manipulation a sales guide. Learning to sell yourself is key.

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[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Better than "maggot", which is how they greet new recruits at boot camp.

[–]bisjac 2 points3 points  (0 children)

my life has changed so much since i found this sub a year back. but my goals arnt about sexual conquest like many here. i have become very selfish, in a much needed way. and have begun aquiring more wealth, free time, and self respect by changing my views on what a woman is in our current society. current goals are to be single and REMAIN single. with (possibly none at all) irony, i have gotten more interest from woman recently lol. but this time, they wont change my life i am building.

i guess guys come here looking for specific advice that caters to their problems. i had a string of long term relationships with cheaters and dependents and unaccomplished woman. mostly out of desperation or just holding onto my luck. and every time one ends, it destroyed my life and i basically had to start from scratch. its a horrible chain of the modern woman that i learned much about from here lol.

[–]drqxx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Been here a long time. There is no way I could have said the above any better. Also Hello to the new recruits. Check out the book of pook. (personal favorite)

[–]fasthandssam 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It is very hard to avoid a fem-primary paradigm. Even in this post, I feel like too much time and effort is being put into the implications of TRP for women. Who cares if she's a slut, or can't enjoy a quality LTR any more? What is in it for MEN? We shouldn't be discouraging women from being sluts- only warning men that most women are.

I feel like we are long past the point where we should be explaining anything about TRP to women, or showing them what insights they can gain from it.

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[–]Aiadon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Red pill will kill you inside if the only things you have inside are limiting emotions and PC crap. But then maybe the truth will be revived inside you and you will see what it really means to be alive. So alive that you will just laugh at their petty atempts of manipulation.

[–]yallapapi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post. So nice to see intelligent well thought out posts on the Internet.

I devoured the entire sidebar when I found this sub. Would recommend

[–]michael_wilkins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always enjoy when these posts come out because there is an instinctive response within me to follow the herd that asks "What if TRP is wrong and your view of people and the world is wrong"

Seeing posts like this make me realise that I am on the right track.

And since when were we a cult that you had to swallow all of TRP or none of it?

Most people in here are mouth breathing retards, that's not in doubt. The trick is to use your own volition to take what is written from other Men's experiences and apply it to your own life.

The underlying premise of all the criticism always boils own to a begrudging admittance that Men have problems but TRP is "selfish" and a lame plea to just "plug back in" and be nice to society.

Sorry, but I am nice to people I know and respect, my Friends and Family. I am not nice to society and I don't give anything to society because it's doesn't respect me nor give me any benefits.

If that changes, I'll change.

Oh and that doesn't take into account the biggest confirmation that I'm on the right track. The Girl that's essentially my own personal fuck toy, and is happy to be that.

I'm focused on academics right now so Girls are in the back seat of my life, yet I am still having logistical problems in my underwear drawer, there are that many pairs of bra's and panties from Girls I'm having trouble fitting my own in there.

[–]nyjl 1 point2 points  (2 children)


Holy fuck. This shit can't be real.

No, really. This can't be true. It's like a fucking epitome of trp.

[–]MagmaiKH 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You watched that whole thing?
20 seconds in I can't stand it ... as the old school crew would say, she needs a dick in her mouth.

[–]nyjl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You watched that whole thing?

Yeap, there are such gems there as "I didn't want to sleep with him but it just happened", "I saw he was messaging other girls while we were together and I had sex with him anyway", "I think women shold pay for themselves, but he didn't propose to pay for me so he's a fuckboy".

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very nice RPS! Red Pill is not good or bad. It is not misogynist or woman hating. Red Pill is male sexual strategy. It is truth. Unvarnished, unabashed truth. The truth is men want more sex. Red Pill teaches us how to act in order to get it.

If the doubters have other ways all of us 'dancing monkeys' can act that will get us laid then we are all ears.

Remember, Red Pill is truth! If you have a different truth that will also compel women to want to take off all their clothes, diddle their slippery little holes and then fuck us into a coma, we are all ears. We are more than happy to modify our approach. Red Pill is truth and we will do what works.

Of course they don't have an answer. The Blue Pill sub is a parody and has no actionable solutions. The Blue Pill ideology does not provide the answer.

TLDR: The Blue Pill ideology is the lie. Red Pill is truth. However, it is a difficult truth......

[–]Lycoh- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The idea of having to accept everything just shows that they don't actually read any threads... not everybody agrees and that's okay! It's a good thing, it gets people to discuss and we can learn more instead of sitting in an echo chamber.

[–]1Ronin11A 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I guess we're throwing out the first rule of Fight Club...?

[–]DJGammaRabbit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It does kill you inside. Because what was inside needed to die. It's like the second you put your guard down she bolts (IE talking about emotions). Put a woman in her place and they'll love you for it. I've pushed everyone away from sticking up for myself, if a girl wants to leave than let her, encourage it even, it's not like she'll love you forever. All the girls who wanted me wanted something from me, not me. Even after telling a girl exactly what she'll do she says she won't and then does exactly what I said. Every time. That's why we shouldnt talk about TRP to women, they won't get it, it's like psychoanalyzing yourself through someone else and you end up 1) proving yourself right and 2) feeling like shit.

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Number one rule about TRP. Don't talk about the red pill. This is good for here but putting that on that post will do nothing. They won't understand.

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[–]1nzgs 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I still find it bizarre that outsiders continuously label the posters here as neckbeards when lifting and improving aesthetics is a core part of taking the pill. I just don't understand their cognitive dissonance when it's the rest of reddit that is full of neckbeards and losers.

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's hard to vilify something you may agree with. Thus people refuse to read about TRP and just go by word of mouth. After all, we are bad people, a cult if you will and we will knock down your door and make you BELIEVE!

But if you don't read about TRP, then none of that will come to pass. So obviously, making fun of and false claims against TRP is the smart thing to do...

/sarcasm with a heavy dose of depressing observation of human psychology.

[–]ddiogenesofsinope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd like to add. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. :)

[–]marinewannabee97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome brothers! Enjoy the ride.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm a bit late to the party, can someone explain to me why we have all these new people?

[–]Chinchilla_the_Hun 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For anyone looking for the hamstering examples of the Tinder-story Youtuber, fast-foward to the ~5min mark. That's when the off-white lies ("I just had a few sips of his Jack Daniels"...[30sec later]..."I was tipsy") and behavior rationalization ("I know I shouldn't have [action]...but, [reasons]") start. They don't let up for the next 10mins or so, until she gets to her lessons-learned/moment of zen.

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[–]aRedThought 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The most interesting thing about trp and tbp is there modes of attracting women. I love seeing a blue pillers response to the question "how do you meet and have sex with a woman very soon after meeting her."

They don't have an answer. Blue pillers believe that sex and relationships spawn organically from friendship. It should come as no surprise why they end up in the friend zone so often. In fact blue pillers would even struggle to believe the things I have seen with my own personal, let alone done myself.

If your that guy. The one who is anxious. The one who doesn't feel human because of his depression, because of his lack of social skills. If your that guy who gets friend zoned and you don't know why. If your that guy that wants to not only attract women and have sex with them and build yourself as a man along the way, I am here to tell you from experience that the red pill is a step in the right direction for you.

I know because I was that guy. When I was younger I always had this background noise in my life that told me I was worthless, no one would love me, I was ugly etc. I didn't even feel human. I gave my love too freely, and it backfired. One day my heart got broken so bad that I didn't think I would ever be the same.

I chose to get better. I decided that I would improve myself. I looked at pickup, found the redpill soon after. I don't want to give too much information but two years later and I am involved in a certain college organization and have girls arguing and fighting over me. Former me wouldn't believe it. Former me wouldn't believe I would have sex with a model in my car 40 minutes after meeting her. Former me wouldn't believe the things I say to girls and get away with.

Fuck former me. He was a bitch. Now I'm my own person. Those were my old ways, these are my new ways. Trp was a major catalyst in that change.

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[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I'm not a newcomer but I do have a question to ask isn't red pill about the truth and accepting it? The truth hurts and to be honest I feel like I have to live with the idea knowing that I'll never truly be happy in a relationship. I will never find a woman who can love me unconditionally and to me that kills me inside. I started with trp because I wanted a great sex life and to settle down at some point.

Maybe I'm being unappreciative, but I can't ever see women the same. I got into an LTR and its a lot harder than just spinning plates, getting women is a lot different than keeping one. I don't even see the point, I feel like I'm always walking a thin line. I have to be the rock, I have to past comfort tests and shit tests. I have to constantly find the balance of giving her me and showing her I can be ouy the door in 3 seconds.

And it kills me because I'm doing all this to keep someone who is never mine. Its just temporary.

Now I know it may sound like I'm complaining, but ive accepted this, I rather be enlightened and in pain than be ignorant and bliss. It kills me inside everyday when i realize life is fucking... life and you really only get what you're dealt, and nothing is fair, but to wake up everyday aware of that has me a better person and when I look at myself my girl and everything I can't complain. But its at the cost of feeling the truth sting deep in my gut

[–]Unholy_VI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the red pill. Either you can go on living the lie because it's familiar and comfortable and will gain you the approval of the mainstream or you unplug.

And what you see when you unplug is a really ugly dirty dog eat dog world. But once I accepted that my life, the world hell the universe is meaningless and that even that meaninglessness is meaningless (yeah I know that's a weird idea) it kind of inspired me.

If life is meaningless, then living a life of suffering, failure, weakness, and being used by others for their own gain while being shorted is also meaningless. It doesn't make you noble or morally superior or any of that crap. So fuck that. I'm lifting, eating right, learning to interact with people in a way that gets me what I want and developing myself personally and financially so that I have the security and power that accumulated wealth brings.

I might as well since it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the world or the universe whether I do or not.

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[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Wow. I couldn't ask for a better response man. Its also good to know that its something I can grow into.

You really nailed my life atm.

I feel like I always. Have to put on this face that still hasn't come natural to me. And I'm constantly asking myself "is this red pill?"

And I'm constantly 'guilting' myself for enjoying myself with a women. Its nice to know there is some salvation, man.

I honestly enjoy dating and relationships. To me its a hobby now.

I like getting numbers , and I like going into relationships to see how solid my smv is. I like interacting with women and going over strategy.

I realized pick up isn't hard. Its simple, you can always get a women. But good luck trying to keep one.

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[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

See for me though I believe that if you can't keep a woman it's because your SUV is low and to me that shows that maybe I'm not good enough.

Yeah I could always replace it but that means I can't keep her. Sometimes I think it's an ego thing and sometimes maybe I think it's still a blue pill part of me. I don't think anyone ever said that being red pill would be easy and losing a woman would be painless but its still painful for me. It's embarrassing. I really do have trouble trying to make the connection that a break-up means nothing. I have read a post that said the only way to get past these type of things is with experience and maybe that's what I need.

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[–]razormachine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't kill you, but it does kill that one part of you. The part that makes you unhappy in the first place.

[–]Nolkroho 0 points1 point  (2 children)

In response to these charts, is there another chart that also applies to men? Or do the number of sexual partners not affect a man's ability to enter into a stable LTR?

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[–]MagmaiKH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't have a link handy but the opposite was true for men.
The fewer partners they had the more likely they were to step out later.
That was true for women as well if they had more than one but a few number of partners.
True monogamy was the strongest and after that the next peak of stability was at 12 partners and then its all down hill.

[–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You must understand their psychology... Most men are born to be slaves. They have a woman's personality: always trying to be in vogue, holding views deemed fashionable (supporting women "rights", being "anti-racist", whatever), never challenging authority, always swapping masters at moments notice (had Hitler won they would have had opposite "views"), you know the rest. Their goal in life is just to "live" like cockroaches: consume and multiply. What do you expect when you offer these a glimpse of reality?

Reality, and the occasional depression coming from its acceptance, is not something to preach for the wide public. Simply be a leader and they will follow whatever "reality" you are putting forward...

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Even when I'm reading this bluepillsplaining fest on top page about TRP my brain raises NoLogicException everytime op tries to undermine RP truths. It makes no sense from my experiance not to live and see world through red lenses, because everytime I try, I get screwed over or I'm not happy or even content. By no means I'm closed to new ideas. It's that few past years of my life made me much more better man, I cannot throw away this gift of worldknowing.

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