Red Pill TheoryDivorce not related to financial strain but instead husband's employment status - Bloomberg (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by rot_barth

Summary Women expect men to be employed or will divorce them - independent of women's economic independence.

Bloomberg: Don't blame divorce on money. Ask: Did the husband have a job?

Body Harvard sociologist studies census data (46 years on >6300 married couples) and finds out that since 1975 splitting the housework isn't a factor. Neither is overall income, wife's economic independence, and whether men choose to stay at home with the kids. The main factor was the male's involuntary unemployment (i.e. getting fired). Risk of divorce per year jumped to 3.3% vs. 2.5% for the still employed. (approx 1/3rd greater risk)

What does it mean to get fired? Loss of social proof. We know that loss of social proof causes loss of attraction. For some reason, this seems to have become more important after 1975 than before. Before 1975 women tended to stay married despite unemployment. Question: when were no-fault divorce laws adopted? The first no-fault divorce was adopted in California in 1970 with most states following in the rest of the 70's and early 80's. Hmmm. Could that be the reason for the statistical change?

A female sociology professor is interviewed and you can just hear the hampster spin. "That's surprising." But the study is "very sound" - gotta stick together with your colleague at least publically.

Study's conclusion: The late 1970's were really a time of change in what women expected for their careers, the study's author hampsters says. The national shift to no-fault divorce during these years is simply incidental. Or in other words, "It just happened."

Lessons Learned

  • Social proofing is important for women. Loss of social proofing causes loss of attraction. Unemployment = loss of social proofing.

  • Men have 1/3 higher rate of divorce when unemployed vs employed. Want to stay married? Have a job.

  • The inflection point in the study is 1975 which coincides with a rough median timing of a national shift to no-fault divorce.

  • Don't underestimate the ability of the hampster to spin the data.

I will leave it to the RP Vanguard to expound upon if something happened to men in the 1970's that caused much more of a alpha/beta dichotomy. That's an interesting question in of itself I can't answer.

[–]other_worlds 154 points155 points  (36 children)

I saw this over in Science and I said to myself, no shit sherlock. I came here knowing I would see a thread on it. I guess I've internalized this part of the pill.

[–]NolanHarlow 143 points144 points  (32 children)

There some next-level censorship going on in that thread. The mods will delete any comment suggesting that this behavior reflects negatively on women, but leap the logic chasm and draw the conclusion that unemployed men are stressed and therefore more likely to be violent and therefore there are higher divorce rates and THATS ok? Unbelievable. And by that, I mean totally believable and expected. And folks wonder why there is a movement a-brewin

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Fucking wow. Hopefully it will wake more men up.

Shit is surreal.

[–]afkb39sdfb 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Saw the post new before the mods started removing everything, many of the top voted comments were about gold digging being real, men being disposable, and a man is just utility to a woman, etc.

[–]allnamesfckintaken 22 points23 points  (1 child)

learned this with an ex. she was madly in love with me when i broke up with her. 2 years later she still wanted on my dick. by then my life had taken a horrible turn. we went out again and in almost like 1 month, she fell out of love with me. she went from very submissive to a bitch. she said to me, "i love you but im not in love with you." lol. she even told me that me touching her so much was annoying. the thing is, women can't choose who they're attracted to. that's all. it's helpful to know how women choose men but we certain can't blame them. that's just how they were born. the rule i live by now is, never ever feel sorry for a woman. if she's in a compromising position, take advantage of it. you're on the higher ground right now. if she was, she would kick you to the curb so fast and she wouldn't even feel bad about it because THAT'S HOW SHE FEELS.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 7 points8 points  (0 children)

the rule i live by now is, never ever feel sorry for a woman. if she's in a compromising position, take advantage of it. you're on the higher ground right now. if she was, she would kick you to the curb so fast and she wouldn't even feel bad about it

Interesting food for thought!

[–]other_worlds 53 points54 points  (9 children)

As soon as I saw all the deleted comments I knew not to even bother to write a reasoned response to it.

Doesn't surprise me. According the masses...

Women are Wonderful; Men are Pigs

[–]allnamesfckintaken 8 points9 points  (1 child)

the truth of the matter is, no one in the game is good or bad when you look at it from the perspective of self preservation. then every action by both men and women make perfect sense. for example, some of the ones society frowns upon can be easily explained. why do men fuck around so much? they don't get pregnant and it's better to spread their genes even if the woman has inferior genetics. why do women string betas along but drop their panties so fast for alphas? alphas have the best genes and women can only get pregnant once but alphas are like every man, spreading his genes to as many as possible. he obviously can't defend/give resources to all those women. so women fuck alphas but settle with betas. no one is good or evil, it's just self preservation. the difference is women can't admit it and men can.

[–]other_worlds 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some men and women can. We're a slim minority still who can understand and vocalize those mating instincts...

When you refuse to believe what's behind the curtain, you revile the one who pulls it open.

[–]rumovoice 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Of course your response would be removed. Because it's a science sub and they are not interested in your personal opinion. Probably some of still existing comments should be removed too.

[–]allnamesfckintaken 13 points14 points  (3 children)

yes, that's cool and shit except a lot of people give personal opinions/anecdotal evidence blaming men for it and it's fine.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

It's not even a negative reflection on women. It is a realistic one. People want money and men are the natural resource-obtainers for many reasons.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (3 children)

I think they would have no problem with that realistic explanation if it was not for the unavoidable implication that women will divorce you when you are at your weakest, out of sheer selfishness. Gotta maintain the narrative that women are the supportive, empathetic gender, or men wouldn't marry them.

[–]Andramoiennepe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women ARE the more empathetic gender ... As mothers ... Just don't expect the woman you are with romantically to act like your mom or love you like your mom did (unconditionally) ...

[–]other_worlds 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Well it seems the facts are now undisputed. The implied reasons depends on which narrative one believes.

Men are Pigs belief: The men turn into self destructive assholes from the stress of it all. Of course the woman divorces him.

Gold-digger belief: Women just want that cheddar, so they bail out when the well runs dry.

Red pill belief: The man no longer has his own shit under control. She doesn't love like you love. What are you doing for me today? Tingles and pussy dries up, she bails.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no much difference between the two last ones.

I like another reason some people give: hubby at home all day long, wifey can't find time to go see Chad in secret anymore, asks for divorce.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

What do you expect? We're talking about a website that suppressed President Trump's AMA from reaching the front page. Reddit is deep into SJW territory. That we are still allowed here is nothing short of extraordinary.

[–]Luckyluke23 9 points10 points  (0 children)

it kind of sucks it's in the science sub though, you think they would keep that shit out of it.

it's the same in most /all subs man. I said something about Hillary in the doco sub the other day. down votes came pouring in. ( it was on a pro Hilary doco.)

[–]grewapair 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I managed to work in a comment that they kept up that said "women might mostly be gold digging whores who jump to the highest bidder" .

I wrote it just for laughs.

[–]Specter242 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I noticed this as well. I really wanted to see some of those comments

[–][deleted] 38 points38 points

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[–]allnamesfckintaken 10 points11 points  (0 children)

i'm happy to see another guy wake up about the radical feminist take over on reddit.

[–]allnamesfckintaken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh yea, there were tons and tons of deleted comments. then you see some that rationalize it saying that men collapse in on themselves and those comments get to stay.

[–]indeydius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There some next-level censorship going on in that thread.

If you want to see next level hamstering, look at the comment thread on Hacker News - if you can find it. The mods push down anything that looks pill-ish.

I just know that in my 40s I've had a stream of married women come on to me, and what's story I hear from them? "Oh, I don't have any feelings for my husband any more. He's like a brother to me." Then I ask further and discover that he's just lost his job.

[–]istealalbums 2 points2 points [recovered]

Is there any way to view the censored comments? "Unreddit" doesn't seem to work for me on that thread.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have a way, but automod bot removes it immediately.

[–]Way_Of_Man 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think I internalized this part first seeing as how my last two relationships ended over money.

[–]allnamesfckintaken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

then in science a bunch of people tried to rationalize that it was because the man collapse in on himself and THATS why the woman divorces him. lol. it's so not because he now has lost his status.

the thing is, i know for a fact that women don't think that way. they simply feel it. to them, the result is less attraction. they don't think, oh this guy has a very bad financial future. they simply feel less attracted to him and so they'll never admit it to you or even to themselves the real reason.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (2 children)

and yet again, a study reaffirms what we all already know. But remember guys, the Red Pill is sexist

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

and that most of us are white supremacists, just in case the first label doesn't stick

[–]throwthisshitaway7 82 points83 points  (50 children)

I was just perusing the comments of that article. An absolute goldmine of RP truths straight from the horses' mouths.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 42 points43 points  (43 children)

When THEY say it, it's different!

[–]trpthrowaw 31 points32 points  (41 children)

i'm still shocked at how true that is. they're basically agreeing with trp but anytime trp is mentioned people lose their minds

[–]aRedThought 75 points76 points  (40 children)

Lots of people agree with trp. I'll talk about trp to my friends minus the autistic language to men and women included and I get told frequently "aRedThought, I've always thought like that, you really know a lot about relationships" etc. Everyone knows sluts lose value. Women know about the wall. Everyone knows the power of status and game etc etc. Everyone knows that dark triad and muscles are attractive. Everyone knows women ride the cc in their early 20s.

Everyone wants to follow redpill values but no one wants to be a redpiller.

[–]trpthrowaw 11 points12 points  (23 children)

totally agree with you

Everyone knows women ride the cc in their early 20s.

is it even possible to find a female who didn't ride the cc in early 20s? find one before they start?

[–]antifragileman 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Find one who had extremely strict parents maybe?

[–]trpthrowaw 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Find one who had extremely strict parents maybe?

afraid that might result in rebellious children, thanks though, appreciate it

[–]NYCSPARKLE 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I would start in the South. In addition to strict parents, there is not much rebelliousness in the culture as people are really concerned about appearance / small town gossip, etc.

My first LTR had been with 3 people by 27 and I 100% believe her on that based on diligence I did, meeting her family and exes, etc.

Also try lawyers, doctors, bankers. Don't tend to be the hottest, but they are usually too busy from 22-26 to be out on the CC. Plus they will have some $$$.

It's difficult though, no doubt.

[–]trpthrowaw 1 point2 points  (1 child)

doctors according to the medical school subreddit, it's like HS where everyone sleeps with everyone because there's so much stress with studying but thanks for the response! it's definitely not easy

[–]NYCSPARKLE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ahh good point. You get the gist though, professionals have less time for everything including CC

[–]anangryterrorist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

From mg understanding with what happened with my parents, this is the correct answer, though my dad basically stuck his dick straight into crazy.

[–]other_worlds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are the most fun if you aren't selective. Ha ha

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

There are definitely extremely religious girls who didn't. I've dated some of them. THey literally wear "virginity rocks" tshirts and purity rings in their younger years and think their vagina is worth a billion dollars.

One girl who was 27 and looked like Anna Kendrick told me she had never kissed a guy and would only do so if she knew they were going to get married.

The problem for them is, due to AWALT, they still want Chad, but a specific kind of religious one that's basically their unicorn. Sometimes it's a singer In a Christian band they fantasize about, who is probably banging groupies on the DL. A lot of these girls are in denial about the wall too, and are fast approaching a choice between spinsterhood and Billy Beta.

[–]antariusz 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I had sex with an 18 year old girl this weekend. She tells other guys the same thing you got told. She also wears a purity ring that her father gave her when she was 14, but she takes it off when she has sex because she feels guilty. She's 18, I'm her 4th(that she admits to). Her family is extremely religious (Catholic).

Your Anna Kendrick doesn't think her pussy is worth millions, but she obviously wanted you to think that.

Women speak in PowerTalk, she said exactly what she wanted you to hear. Not what she actually meant.

[–]EatmyShorts59 6 points7 points  (2 children)

she said exactly what she wanted you to hear. Not what she actually meant.

Copy pasta from another user:


Never forget:by the time you meet a woman and decide that you'd like to have sex with her, she's had years and years of manipulating men to do as she wants and view her in a manner that's beneficial to her. a woman has practiced since an early age, via her little-girl tantrums that turn into teenage sulking and, eventually, adult manipulation.


[–]ManOfGrapes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To take that a step further, her years of manipulation, her feelings, are her reality. Thus, the born-again virgin. Religious girls are some of the scariest imo.

[–]evileddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I haven't had sex with a guy I really like.. so I'm still technically a virgin"

[–]Lsegundo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dont forget about the poop hole loophole. AWALT

Chad is still using her for a sperm landing strip even though in some cases her vag may be unexplored.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I found one. At least I am as sure as I can be. She is from a traditionalist Asian family. The mom quit working to raise the child and never returned to work. He mom cooks (although not very well), her dad works.

She is the first born and being from a Chinese family this is a black mark from birth. She was made aware of this by her grandparents and imprinted this concept on her early.

She is plain but not ugly, thin but not fit. Overall I would say in ideal circumstance she is a 7 locally however she is closer to a 5. Being from a university town which has largely avoided the fatpolypse most of the country has gone through.

Her household was strict. She speaks 4 languages, has a degree in finance and plays 2 instruments.

However it has been a long process to educate her on cooking and other domestic tasks. I never met any resistance however. Ultimately she finds doing house work calming.

It's been a long road but after 9 months this relationship is nearing ideal. However, this took a lot of work on myself physically, educationally and mentally.

[–]OneLifeSucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just came back from a date with a girl in Taipei. I'd put her at a 7-7.5 here but definitely a 6 back home. Having been to several Asian countries I can say they are normally a breath of fresh air. AWALT still exists but they don't know how to game it like they do in the US and it's really easy to be alpha as fuck with them. Good on you bro for sticking it out. The tiger moms of the world produce some quality gf material chicks. I honestly think my next LTR will be with an Asian girl. Less bullshit, more bush. What's not to like?

[–]aRedThought 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I live in the south. It is possible, look for the smartest girls (Like 5.0 gpa career types.)

Whether they are attractive, we'll I can't help you there. I just game whoever and you'll run into one that is better than the rest but it takes time. Some people spend their entire lives looking for "the one"

[–]Pragmaticpandas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Find one before they start or find one with a religious upbringing. That's about all I've seen in my experience. Most girls early 20s will already have a n count of 10+.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In small towns they're often the majority, because of epic slut shaming and everyone knowing who everyone is fucking.

The CC riders usually have a kid in their early twenties because they're retarded

[–]fanthor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i live in malaysia and when i tell women that in the west when you divorce you divide your wealth by half.

most of them just go "lol dont get married there"

[–]rumovoice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's because core redpill theory is good but community is awful. Most people agree with redpill theory but want to distance themselves from rp members.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

if dark triad, muscles, and height are so attractive then why aren't all humans super strong, super tall, super manipulative?

(Honest question, I'd like to generate a discussion on evolutionary selection)

[–]BlacknOrangeZ 12 points13 points  (5 children)

We are. You need to compare it to our ancestors, not some idyllic fantasy of human perfection.

Intelligence seems to have taken priority at some point because, evidently, it became far more advantageous than sheer strength. Even the tallest, strongest warrior can be dropped by a bullet.

And strength is not just "muscles" in an evolutionary sense. A superior immune system, for example, is likely to ensure far greater survival than ripped abs; and even the most beautiful people can't reproduce if they're dead or suffer significant morbidity from disease. This strength can be conditional on the environment too. It's no coincidence, for example, that dark skin was favoured in Africa; while albino children presumably died frequently in early childhood, unable to cope with the harsh sun and associated pathology, including burning and skin cancer.

We are not all gorgeous, 8 foot tall, sculpted gods of beauty personified. But we're better than what came before. It is a privilege of a prosperous civilisation to view reproductive fitness in a purely aesthetic context; "strength" and "fitness", in an evolutionary sense, is rather more concerned with an individual's ability to survive plague and famine, see out a harsh Winter, strategise and organise in defence against invaders, rape and pillage foreigners, all with the underlying objective of surviving to reproductive age and producing as many healthy offspring as possible.

The selective pressures have indeed changed in our modern society - where we exist in this facade of artificial abundance, allowing ourselves to indulge in the glorification of visual form over physiological function. Women previously had incentive to select for men in control of resources to ensure their security and the health of their offspring, with far lesser regard for his physical appearance; it is only a recent phenomenon of perverse cultural changes that have diminished/reversed this pressure. Perhaps, in a million years, "humans" will more closely resemble the flawless beings in your imagination. (Very unlikely, in my view, given that I believe the dysgenic effect of Western welfare systems to be a far greater evolutionary pressure with significant positive effect on reproductive rates in inferior people, even ignoring the obvious unlikelihood of ever maintaining a stable and prosperous society for long enough for beauty to be long-held as the dwarfing factor in genetic fitness.)

[–]bornredd 0 points1 point  (4 children)

We are. You need to compare it to our ancestors, not some idyllic fantasy of human perfection.

You are 100% correct. Humans today are almost certainly taller, stronger, healthier, and smarter than in the past.

Check out this time lapse map to see recorded statistics on height over the last ~200 years.

We have already been self selecting for attractiveness for millennia. The real issue driving human attractiveness down in the west is hormones in food and over eating leading to obesity.

[–]FarfromaHero40 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Well from a judicial point of view, if we catch one of the manipulative fucks in the act, we (used to) eliminate him from the gene pool. For a serious enough offense of course.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you give me an example?

[–]FarfromaHero40 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tribe mentality. We are being attacked by another tribe and manipulative fuck (mf) decides to turncoat. If we end up winning anyway, mf is as good as dead. Or in another context, mf is beta orbiting tribe leader's female. Decides the only way to score is to rape her. If he's caught in the act, again probably dead.

[–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

super manipulative?

Humans are. All the indoctrination telling you that you should be kind and generous and expect no reciprocation is done to the effect of making you very easy to exploit.

[–]aRedThought 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Humans have gotten bigger and stronger over time. Homosapians were not ripped, they didn't have the means to become "ripped."

I think most people have a little dark triad in them. Humans are capable of all sorts of terrible shit. If empathy got pussy then I figure the world would be quite different.

I'm not a scientist so take my comments with a grain of salt.

[–]Coltron778 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Evolution is far from perfect and just shows what was successful at the time. This is a process of random mutation running through natural selection.

[–]evileddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Say as they say.. think as you do.

[–]OgreMagoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean... They are professionals. At Harvard. And they backed it up with data. And had their conclusions peer-reviewed. So frankly there's not much choice in the matter lol, people just have to listen to them.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

i dont even see the comment section on there, did they take it down or what?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Most of the comments are a bunch of hand-wringing apologists and manginas. "B-b-ut maybe the guy just becomes pissed off and violent from being unemployed, and the wife is just a victim and wants to escape. Nothing to do with money whatsoever."

[–]allnamesfckintaken 3 points4 points  (0 children)

really makes me angry that they say the guy becomes violent when hes unemployed. what the fuck kind of excuse is that? men are either a violent sort or they're not. they don't start beating their wives because they're depressed.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 30 points31 points  (9 children)

For some reason, this seems to have become more important after 1975 than before.

It was important before, but this was around the time that women were given the no-fault divorce option, making it much easier for her to leave.

It's not social status that's the reason - it's the lack of being the bucks in the beta-bucks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

The article mentions money was not the factor though; the increase really was in the employment status.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (4 children)

yes... ie security of supply of money.

[–]rot_barth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the PERCEPTION of security, false or not.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

makes very much sense indeed

[–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"It's not about money, it's about the thing that fundamentally drives money acquisition."

Is it just me or is saying "it's not actually about money" retarded? If it linked to some behavior that was unrelated to employment, then it would be "not about money". Considering it's fundamentally attached to "employment status" then it's definitely about money; that is, being employed is an indicator of whether a man is going to bring in future money.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, "it's not about the money" is just hamstering.

[–]bastrdsnbroknthings 1 points1 points [recovered]

The timeline doesn't coincide exactly, but I think one big missing factor is the development, approval and widespread use of birth control pills starting in 1960 or so. Control over reproduction gave women options they never had before.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Control over reproduction gave women options they never had before.

Lots of things have happened in the last 50-60 years. The pill, healthier children/childbirth and consequent reduction of family size from 5 down to ~2 children. Longer female fertility window. Women in the job market.

All this leads to women not having to be financially dependent on men until they want a family, add in online dating and facebook and you have the sexual relations that we have in the world today.

What's interesting and unsurprising in all of this is that male roles have expanded from "breadwinner" to "Chad, entertainer, child rearer, cook, cleaner AND breadwinner" while female responsibility has changed from "raise children, cook and tidy" to "have a job if you feel like it and sit on facebook all day complaining about men".

[–]ThrowMeABoneScott 169 points169 points [recovered]

Notice how all the comments are deleted. Censorship is real. The brainwashing is real. Think for yourself gentlemen

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Like 80% of top level comments. They are really salty about this one. To be honest I was amazed this hit #1.

[–]FarfromaHero40 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Lol, I'm glad you are one of us, I responded to your comment on that post too. Yeah, the truth is butt-hurting the front page right now.

[–]Sementeries 13 points14 points  (0 children)

His comment has now been deleted, too.

People are saying the same thing we are about the censorship going on within that thread, haha.

[–]plasticslug 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Fuck looking at the front page post (non trp) and the sheer amount of deleted posts are terrifying.

[–]enfier 19 points19 points [recovered]

Just change the 'r' in reddit to a 'c' and you can see the deleted comments. Mostly anecdotes and people that can't comprehend a marriage where your wife does the housework, even when the linked article clearly shows that it has no effect on divorce rates.

[–]rumovoice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've tried to read top deleted comments through ceddit. Turns out mods did a good job and deleted only irrelevant comments according to science sub rules.

[–]afkb39sdfb 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Saw the post new before the mods started removing everything, many of the top voted comments were about gold digging being real, men being disposable, and a man is just utility to a woman, etc.

Can't have that conversation on reddit though.

[–]rumovoice 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is because science sub is always heavily moderated. Not to comply to some feminist agenda but to filter out comments not backed by scientific articles.

[–]McNugget750 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Bro, its science. They delete anything that is not scientifically relevant, its in the sidebar and is a steadfast rule. I think your reading to much into this.

[–]vagbutters 7 points8 points  (8 children)

I tried to use Unreddit on it to find out what they deleted, but to no avail. I would love to see what comments the cuck censorship squad deleted.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

yeah same, any idea why it's not working?

[–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No clue. It tends to work but I haven't used it recently in the past month or two.

[–]FarfromaHero40 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I didn't even know that was possible. Good on you for trying the research for us.

[–]SlinkyOne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where can I find the deleted comments?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

someone questioned the study about other factors contributing to divorce... i responded with...

at 3%, employment is small potatoes. top factors in divorce (most of these are 80%+ probability of divorce):

  • whether a partner has had a prior divorce, especially if the wife has had a prior divorce. (prior divorces = higher divorce rates)
  • whether a partner's parents have had a divorce. (parents divorce = higher divorce rates in their children)
  • age at the time of marriage (younger = higher divorce rates)
  • whether they've had a kid prior to marriage (premarital babies = higher divorce rates)
  • age at the time of first child (younger = higher divorce rates)
  • race (asians in the west kick everyone's asses with lowest divorce rates, followed by whites, hispanics, then blacks with the highest).
  • n-count of the wife (at 16 sexual partners, the wife has a 20% chance of being on anti-depressants, a much higher rate of reporting marital instability, and divorce rates are 80%+)

sources = google them, they're all over.

mods shadow-banned / deleted that entire comment thread, easily 50+ comments.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

sources = google them, they're all over.

No. Source your shit properly. You can google all over "reptilians did 9/11 because of flat earth" and you will come to thousands of sites.

[–]drqxx 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Marriage is like meth. Not even once!

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 74 points75 points  (6 children)

If you enter into the relationship with a woman, she's going to want at the very least the status quo, if not better down the road. That is why for many men who get married, their desirability comes from their ability to provide.

Many men who don't know better, get married when they're in their late 20s/early 30s and think that they are spending the rest of their lives with a spectacular individual, who just happened to come along at the right time... when the reality is that their wives were running out of options, and they just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

When these guys lose their jobs, it's no surprise that women will leave them. But most women will not make it clear that they are leaving a man for losing their jobs - they will start increasing the tension until either the guy gets a new job (of equal or better pay) or it reaches a boiling point (he decides to divorce, or his wife has enough evidence to bury him for abuse/negligence/etc.). Women guard their reputations very carefully, as well as their egos. They do not want to outright ditch a guy, but they will build a mountain of "plausible" reasons for leaving.

To avoid all this, men must keep their finances a well-kept secret and avoid flashing any signs of wealth to women. If you can't pull women without showing wealth, then you'll have to bear the burden mentioned above.

[–]ChangeIsTheAnswer 24 points24 points [recovered]

I agree whole-heartedly. I grew up comfortable because my dad is a hard worker. Mum never complained when income was regular.

When the GFC hit while I was in high school, my family went from upper middle class to lower class as my dad was struggling to get work. Never in my life have I seen my mother bitch and whine and whinge to me before about finances. Stuff my dad always covered. Even admitting to me that "she wished she never married or had kids ". Understand having your mother straight up say that to you at 14...

After 2011, my dad was able to get back on his feet and we were alright again. Just a few months after that, she's not whinging or complaining about money or expense anymore. The only reason she stuck around is because my family is Catholic and divorce is HEAVILY frowned upon if you're Indian ( I know a family friend who got divorced. Nobody talks to her anymore). There is no such thing as unconditional love from women.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love for women and for men are two entirely different things. For women, love is attraction. She loves you when she has a strong desire for you. Men should be very wary when a woman professes their love for them, especially if the proclamation of love comes after being given a gift or treated out to a date.

For men however, love is desperation. Men profess their love for their partners primarily to say, "I appreciate you for sticking with me." Men with options generally don't declare feelings of love.

[–]Pragmaticpandas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly man, swallowing the pill and realizing all that shit you just said changed my life. I always wanted a happy marriage with a quality woman, maybe have some kids and raise a family. But the more I swallow the pill the more I realize that is just not possible. So yeah, losing that dream hurts, it really blows. But I want the truth, whether it hurts or not. And TRP is truth.

[–]One_friendship_plz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are like fish, men need to learn when you catch them that you're supposed to throw them back in the water and not keep them on the boat.
I don't mind showing wealth to women, I do not intend on keeping them for the LTR. They pay the price for aiming for what they don't deserve.

[–]allnamesfckintaken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they will start increasing the tension until either the guy gets a new job (of equal or better pay) or it reaches a boiling point (he decides to divorce, or his wife has enough evidence to bury him for abuse/negligence/etc.).

this is EXACTLY how it happens.

[–]await_service_create 20 points20 points [recovered]

I know first hand a woman who cancelled the wedding when the news of her fiancé's layoff reached her.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)


What is this?

[–]blackchucktays 29 points30 points  (0 children)

"Whores want money". I'm shocked.

[–]magus678 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Its top of the front page right now.

Watching all those people try as hard as they can to find a reason other than the obvious is sad.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

yeah holy shit. Not to mention all dissent is being censored at a crazy rate!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Nah, everybody knows and chime in with their personal experience or opinion... which are being censored because the science sub wants its subscribers to stay on the topic of the paper being discussed, not about people's experience or opinion.

[–]magus678 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To an extent I understand that; /r/science guidelines are more strict than most and for good reason.

But I have a hard time believing that comment graveyard was entirely due to not being scientific enough.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did believe as you until I checked the comments that had been deleted. Those science posts that make it to the frontpage go unnoticed and uncommented by the masses unless said masses can relate to the topic to share their experience/opinion. And boy do people relate to relationships topics...

[–]afkb39sdfb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made a post about everyone ignoring "the elephant in the room," but of course it was downvoted.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Stay At Home Dads 90% divorce rate. Ran across this story: I was a school teacher when I married my wife who was in her 2nd year of medical school. We had children in the 4th year of medical school and the 2nd year of residency. I did everything from take the kids to school (daycare), clean the house, do the laundry, pack the lunches, pay the bills, made sure that the days ran smooth. I did this for 5 years. When she finished residency we moved back to where we were from. (2009). She decided she didn’t want me to work anymore so that she could focus on he career. I was nervous about that, because I had always gone to work. I thought being a stay at home dad would not be that bad since now I don’t have to report somewhere. Her parents were not very happy with our arrangement but it was our life. 2011 we bought a small walnut orchard thinking it would help me be a man again. It was fun because I have always enjoyed hard work. I was made sure she was first as I provided for kids making sure everybody was where they needed to be. I was also remodeling the home making updates as they were needed. We bought new vehicles, trailers, boats having fun with the money she was bringing home. We were not hurting financially. Our orchard was making money but not enough because we had planted more acreage and they were in baby trees. In four years the baby trees would of doubled our income. We were flying. 2014. Valentine day. I had prepared for the last couple of days for our family to go to the desert for family time. My wife came home 30 minutes early. I was excited because we we’re suppose to meet some friends down the road for the trip. She said she didn’t want to go anymore and this isn’t working. I said what is not working. She said our marriage. It had been ten years of me dedicating my life to her, to the children to everything we built as a family. She said I want a divorce, we spend money like water when we are together. She said she hated me. Time will tell. Nobody has filed for divorce yet. But she emptied our accounts in half. I had to move out of the house because she said I had to pay the mortgage. I have no employment. I have been mr. Mom. Her mother has now taken my role has shuffling the kids to practice when I don’t have the kids. I moved out with the kids to a small house and trying to survive. She said once we are in two house holds she will go to marriage counseling and after a couple of times I can join her. She does not talk to me only by text. Usually they are mean but with kid issues I get a ok as I inform her where the kids need to be. I am so hurt. I don’t know what to do, she has broken my heart. I am a Christian who talks to his pastor once a day. Especially during I this time of need. I have met a lot of other people who have been in these shoes. Except I am dad not mom. She called me her piggybank. I have applied for a couple of jobs that have opened up teacher position. I gave everything to this person, my heart on my sleeve. She decided she did not respect me anymore. When I see her, her eyes are so pissed at me. We are not legally separated but separated by her choice. What to do, I have never posted on line before, help.

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Then he continues, " We’ll here we go. It has been 6 months since I posted that message. Things have changed for the worse. 3 weeks later I was served with separation papers at my daughters softball practice. I was sitting there with the rest of the moms (me being dad) excuse me sir is your name ,,,,,,,,,,,,,I said yes, she said sorry to have to do this here, my mouth dropped, then I cried. The papers were so bad that I had to call my pastor. What Christian woman says those kind of things….I met with my elders and we discussed the next step. I had to file for divorce, it was the worst thing, and the hardest thing to sign…we are still in the middle of it. I have gone back to teaching and I will never stop for my children. My ranch is sold, and I am working on selling anything that reminds me of her. She treats me as though I was dead. She is now married to her mother, and as has never left her mothers side.

I feel sorry for my children, she never makes there games and puts on a show for them. She constantly lies to them about me. My little girl (who is 9) tells me all the time what she says. She says dad I know the truth, love you, you are a good person and a great dad to us. She spoils them with gifts and I spoil them with hugs and kisses. I hope one day they will remember that. I always try and keep the crock pot going when they walk in the door. So they remember the smell at dads . She doesn’t cook so they eat out all the time, it makes it hard when dad wants to treat. So I cook. My biggest fear is dating again, but for right now I’m focusing on them."

[–]KartagoPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that bitch needs an ass whooping, but marriage is only in woman favor

[–]NietzscheExplosion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Holy shit guys, help this beta schmuck!

Dude, it's over. Lawyer up and prepare for battle. Divorce RAPE her. 10 years - you are ENTITLED TO ALIMONY!

Specifically move back in the house and turtle when she gets physical - install a video camera or get a friend to help you move back in and record it. $$$$

[–]NeoreactionSafe 75 points76 points  (5 children)

Before 1950 there were no Child Support Laws.

So imagine a woman back before all these new laws were invented.

She had no option but to stand by her man because she had no escape route. When you got married it meant that both male and female had to trust each other and survive together.

The State came in and made the male disposable... turned him into a provider of resources rather than the source of female survival.

When the woman has little to fear by breaking the marriage she will do it.

Natural Laws are things like "Cause and Effect".

If you invent laws that sanction Hypergamy you get more Hypergamy.

Cause and Effect.


[–]redkick 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I think you're right, but I still like the way it's done now. Living together with someone who despises you wholeheartedly, just because they have no option to leave, must be hell. I'd rather pay off my mistake of getting married than live in that hell for the rest of my life.

(simply not getting married should be a no-brainer by now for everyone who's a regular here anyways)

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Lets also remember there were a LOT of shitty husbands around back in the day too...nobody should have to stay married to an abusive alcoholic prick. Giving people escape routes to be able to make choices is better for everybody.

[–]antariusz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hypergamy is a good thing, if you're in the top 10%

Don't be a shifty husband. Don't be a husband at all. Let the women with shitty husbands sleep with you. Give them their escape route for the night. And then send them on their way.

[–]trpthrowaw 5 points6 points  (0 children)

and the single mothers feel very entitled now

[–]FarfromaHero40 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Exactly. The state incentivized divorce. Just look what it's done to the black family during the same time frame! Whites are just 30 years slow.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Men were a social anchor back then in spite of their employment status. Nowadays we're less than a cash cow (the majority at least). Where a woman faced social ostracism for divorce, now she's got real incentive to go for one. It's simple economics at play really (cost-benefit).

It doesn't take much to expand on what happened during that time: the rules of the game changed disproportionately on women's favor.

Unfortunately the majority of men have yet to realize that and indeed have been conditioned into making the playing field as uneven as they can by believing the victim trope thrown around by feminists.

[–]evileddy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The replies from women are hilarious: "IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY!"

lol sure it's not honey.. sure it's not. ;)

[–]yummyluckycharms 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Its actually worse than what the study shows since they've pooled the respondents from 1975 to 2011. The world of 2000 is vastly different than it was from 70's and 80s and divorce is both more socially acceptable and easier to get. Meaning that if you split the respondents into narrower segments - say marriage after 1995, the risk of divorce is even higher.

In essence, when you strip away the ameliorating influence of the earlier generation and look at people who got married in the post divorce society, the unemployment bump is much higher. Given the results of other studies, much, much higher.

The study nicely illustrates the red pill truths of the sexual market place and the poor ROI of marriage for men overall.

[–]Mohandor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If this isnt the best proof that men are walking wallets to women, i dont know what it is.

[–]VinsTheSpaceDriver 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I was in a Relationship with a very attractive woman. We were in a LTR for 3 years. At the end of lawschool, I struggled finding a job. During six month I was unemployed. Very quickly could see that she lost interest in me and that she considered me as a loser. She was working during the period. She found another guy and dump me. Then I got a very good job in an insurance compagny and she reconsidered and tried to come back. I was not browsing TRP but still I told her to fuck off.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

When the husband is unemployed, perfect little wifey can't have her harmless affairs like she used to while he was at work.

[–]notadaddy 27 points28 points  (8 children)

Lose your job, your fucked. Have a great job, you become the Beta Bux and your wife will have someone on the side. You can't win LOL.

Well, you can if you don't get married!

[–]surfjihad 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Only way to win is not to play

[–]antariusz 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Nah, not true. Get a great job, don't give your resources outside of time and attention to women. Spend all of your wealth to increase your status so that you can fuck even more women easily.

I used to think a flashy/masculine car was the "best" way to attract women, followed closely by nice expensive branded clothing. Nope, when they find out I have a large 3 bedroom house all to myself in a great secluded neighborhood with just my 2 dogs, they essentially just line up to fall on my dick. I was worried a few weeks ago that hitting 34 would start drying up my options with younger (18-22) women, nope. Status trumps everything.

[–]rot_barth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are looking at you as a beta - ready to fill those rooms with children. Just FYI.

[–]roeddit 1 points1 points [recovered]

18-22 year olds probably don't care about the house. How do you have status otherwise?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Raise your hand if this is new information to you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Recently after much thorough research and analysis of data, scientists have determined that humans do indeed breath oxygen.

[–]wanderer779 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I saw that. One other explanation: if you are already headed for divorce it can be smart to stop working because you aren't going to keep the money anyway.

For example say you are a coal miner. You hate it but you sacrifice so your family can have better days ahead. Then your wife starts hinting at divorce. Now you're running the risk of ending up like so many guys, working jobs they hate to pay for a family they aren't even in any more. On the other hand you could just get fired so when you go in for a child support hearing your payment is much smaller. Hmmm, which is a more fun, coal mining or playstation? Either way you are going to be broke, might as well have fun with it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Briffault's Law plain and simple.

No benefit - no association.

People don't understand that dick is free. It's pussy that costs (under ambient circumstances).

A woman gets no benefit from a man's prolonged presence - and sex is generally a utility that declines with women. Plus its a question of opportunity cost. Time spent with a dude with no job is time lost with some other dude with a job.

So even if there is no economic stress in the relationship, women will dump a guy who isn't bringing tangibles to the table.

Only in rare sets of circumstances will women stick around if a guy is out of work. Generally, as soon as the dude stops getting a paycheck the countdown to breakup begins. If he doesn't bounce back with different employment, she's going to replace him with someone else who brings to her some kind of benefit.

I have seen women keep unemployed guys around - but in those situations the women were still getting a well-desired benefit out of the association - and the same applies - as soon as that benefit ends so does the association.

[–]logicalthinker1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

To put this in perspective, imagine if your wife just lost her vagina, boobs, and ass one day. Would you stick around with her for the rest of your life? Fuck no.

[–]FarfromaHero40 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well of course. The market is at play for sex transactions, even if those non-redpillers don't want to admit it. Tradeoffs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Social proof is a part of it. The other part is that married men are a source of income stability for women. Settle down with beta bux. He loses his job, leave him and take half.

[–]rountrey 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think it's also caused by fear. You see, in my life, I have learned that women expect men to do the same thing as they do. I had a wife who was a "home maker", didn't work for 11 years. Suddenly, I lost my job. Didn't seem like that much of a deal to me, I had money to fall back on, went back to school, picked up a part time job. But she raised holy hell when I told her she needed to find a job, too.

Fast forward a bit. Accused of cheating constantly, running around, I "could have" cheated on her in between the time I got out of class to the time I had to work therefore I did. Basically, if I had any unsupervised free time on my hands, I was fucking around.

Fast forward to after the divorce. Come to find out, she was cheating. Any unsupervised time she had that wasn't with her whore sister or her "no matter what you do, I will stand with you" mother, was out with "friends".

She cheated on the reg, therefore I do, too. That's the logic. That's the fear. If he doesn't have a job then he is more prone to cheating.

I could be wrong and my experience probably tainted this, but that's what I came up with.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've worked with women that earn more than their husbands. Even if they're loyal to these men - there is an obvious lack of respect towards them. I know that these men don't get much action, or at least genuine action from their breadwinner wives.

[–]MagmaiKH 3 points4 points  (1 child)

SAHD is nearly a 90% divorce rate.
She ends up resenting the shit out of him.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of my cousins is a SAHD. The resentment simply oozes out of his wife towards him.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don't wanna get divorced?

Don't get married.

[–]KartagoPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I want to have someone that loves me. Oh wait ;)

[–]offthebeatmeoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lot of people are going to attempt to rationalize the findings one way or another, but pretty much everyone here, and anyone with a nutsack and common sense knows exactly what's up. No women wants a perceived loser that can't even provide. A weak man.

[–]Bill_Gates187 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Looks like we're all heading for divorce once the robots come in. Only way to boss this is to start a business. Make a **** load of money and disperse it across the world. Cover your bets for whatever happens.

[–]FarfromaHero40 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Invest in the sex-bot industry as we watch marriage implode. The red pill profit sharing program.

[–]KartagoPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

sex-bot industry can change male sexuality. for better or for worse. at least not divorce raped

[–]thehonestdouchebag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh il be investing all right ;)

[–]surfjihad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was front page today, such a obvious TRP lesson

[–]MeatRocket23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They must have brought captain obvious on board.

[–]SwagnumMagnum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Duh. They want you hunting and gathering. Not sitting in the cave playing with Jr. all day. That's there "job".

[–]JohnnyWall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the last things my ex said (yelled) to me was, "and I make a HELL of a lot more money than you!"

[–]risethirtynine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And nothing to do with Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[–]herewegoaga1n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Provide or she'll find someone that does.

Tl;dr Don't get married.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you separate the two?

[–]red-adherent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go read the thread guys, it's trp gold. The rationalization they present to hide the plain obvious truth are hysterical.

[–]ironpirate83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now I ain't sayin she a gold digger

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More science pouring in to confirm TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its 1/2 higher rate ... not 1/3

edit: roughly 50% greater chance of divorce

[–]Raikkonen716 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I remember some months ago here on TRP someone posted about this married couple with childrens. Basically the woman had to work in two jobs cause the man was long time unemployed, and it reached a point where the woman was considering going living alone with the childrens, or maybe she gave him an ultimatum, i don't remember.

Anyway, I was really surprised that here on TRP a lot of guys start insulting the woman, saying that she should be supportive in difficult moments like that.

No guys, you have to be a rock, you must pursue a great career and stay active. You can't afford staying 2 years unemployed and hoping your woman will still see you as the boss of the family.

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