MGTOWThe Sexodus in action: millennials are having less sex. (self.TheRedPill)

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A new study has revealed that despite the hookup culture created by Tinder et al, young people are actually having less sex than the generation before them. A quick google search reveals journalists desperate to explain this phenomena in a sensible and politically correct manner.





I skimmed all of these articles. They blame various factors: they say we're too busy, they say it's because we're living at home, they say we're more aware of the dangers of STDs, and they even suggest that women are afraid of "slut shaming." None of these piss poor excuses come even remotely close to providing satisfying explanation for why an animal species would willfully abstain from spreading its genes to the next generation. I looked through all of these, seeking the elephant in the room. None of them used the "f" word. Page searches for "feminism" returned zero results.

Which brings us to the amusing truth. Milo Yiannopolous, always ahead of everyone else, predicted and explained this sexual exodus years ago.



The truth of the matter is incredibly simple. Feminism has ruined the Western woman.

Tumblr, the blogosphere, and the MSM tell men that in order to win a woman's affections, you must become a goony beta weenie with no self respect who does everything that women tells him to do. This creates a short supply of good men.

Meanwhile, these same sources tell women that men are a bunch of animals who want to savagely beat them and rape them. Bitter older women past the wall rant about how men are the enemy who must be hated, creating an anti-male circlejerk. In order to conform to the groupthink, as women so often do, younger women pile on and agree to their man-hating sentiments. In solidarity with their unfuckable foremothers, they cut their hair short, get fat, and become equally unfuckable, somehow convincing themselves that this is what they "want." This flies in the face of what women really want - to be protected and nurtured in the company of high-quality men. The Feminine Imperative has eaten its own tail. In trying to create a world where women have everything, it's created one where many of them have nothing.

Meanwhile, feminism has ruined things on the other side of the aisle, too. Men are looking at the product of this cultural virus and saying "yeah, these people aren't worth fucking," and sticking to their porn and video games. Here's the secret about us dudes; most of us really do want the company of women, just as much as they want ours. But a simple cost/benefit analysis of the dating market reveals a whole lot of the former, significantly overshadowing the latter. Maybe you'll really hit the anti-lottery and get a false rape claim and have your life ruined. Maybe you'll play the long game, get married, and lose everything in a divorce. Or, even on a smaller scale, maybe you'll just discover that these fucking cunts aren't any fun to be around.

The result of this loser's game is that lots of desperate young people are ending up alone. Men become unfuckable beta weenies. Women become unfuckable, neurotic cunts. Everyone loses.

TLDR: millennials are fucking less. Feminism is to blame. Don't be a beta weenie. Don't surrender your life to a neurotic cunt who doesn't appreciate you.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (27 children)

Something these figures don't take into account is...

Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks

The number of millennials having sex reportedly decreased by 9% as a whole, but that doesn't mean women aren't having the same amount of sex as before. I strongly suspect now they're just having it with a smaller concentration of Chads, which has been the trend from hookup culture's very beginning.

I bet if you look at the figures of who's reporting what by gender that guys are disproportionately reporting they're having less sex. The fact they haven't done so just supports my suspicions. I think we can all agree that IF it was the reverse and women were disproportionately having less sex, that they'd be putting that statistic front and center and framing it as a "woman's issue" with all kinds of calls for research to explain why, to build up women's confidence, blah blah blah sex positivity, blah blah blah it's the patriarchy's fault.

The only article I saw about this that touches on gender was this one, but it didn't do an apples to apples comparison for both genders, and was looking at a drop in sexual activity by girls in the 1960s to those of today.

On top of all this the obesity epidemic is playing havoc with the sexual market for both genders, and then there's the fact porn is giving a lot of men an outlet where they end up taking themselves out of the hunt.

[–]DatFeeler 614 points614 points [recovered]

Look at your statistics. It looks to me like it's only Millenial Men that are having considerably less sex. Millenial Women are having basically the same amount of sex as women of any generation.

80/20 in action.

[–]hamsterbator 185 points186 points  (139 children)

If it was 80/20 before, now it's closer to 90/10.

Unplugged men have more access to porn, video games, and less social skills. Women have their pick of hundreds of men within a 50 mile radius.

[–]_arch_lion_daemo_ 62 points63 points  (134 children)

A question for you trp guys(I am an occasional skeptical lurker). This 80/20 you quote every so often, I understand. But on the reasons behind, I have a question. How much of the imbalance is, in your opinion, women being more "picky", and how much is men just giving up/trying less to get female company?

[–]bowie747 369 points370 points  (78 children)

We're animals, primates. And only the top 10-20% of male primates pass on their genes. The fittest males have several women each, and the beta males get nothing.

We're smarter than that. We created societies where men and women would partner off 1:1, it's the best way to ensure maximum productivity from the beta males. This system doesn't really suit women because it means most of them get stuck with a beta, when what they really want is an alpha. However it did ensure sex for men and security for women. We then created societal shaming constructs and laws to prevent divorce. Everyone accepted this as being normal, despite the fact that it ignores our biological instincts.

Now, women are sexually liberated, slut and divorce-shaming is almost nonexistent and marriages always end in a woman's favour. Also most women are able to financially support themselves. Therefore marriage has become nonessential and women don't need to rely on men for anything. So we've reverted to a more primal state where women don't fuck betas (they don't need to for any reason), now they'll only fuck alphas. So now the top 20% of men have 80% of the sex, and the bottom 80% of men get the leftover scrappy 20%.

Many men in the bottom 80% are now realising this and "checking out" of society. TRP advocates self-improvement in order to reach the top 20%. That any man can be an alpha if he works on himself sufficiently. Nonetheless lots of men can't be fucked, or don't like women enough to put in the work and I can't blame them.

[–]_arch_lion_daemo_ 49 points50 points  (38 children)

Damn, when you phrase and think about it like that it does make you think... Specially if there is a good ending to this(good as in, not leading to society going to shit and all like you guys usually predict).

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Ha society is already shit for men(and women, few alphas give away their commitment to one woman and get married, why would they when they can have a new one by tomorrow night if they so chose), at TRP we make the best out of the situation and ensure we get what we want by any means.

I don't know why you're skeptical, analyze your surroundings with TRP and you'll for sure see that TRP philosophy is pretty much facts.

[–]Magnum256 46 points47 points  (8 children)

I think one of the ideologies around here is to not worry too much about the existential bullshit and instead just focus on the moment, and bettering yourself, sort of a hedonistic approach to life.

Reality is that the world is already going to shit. So many of our systems are either archaic or completely nonsensical. One of the big problems I think is that it's almost impossible to change because we cannot unite. There are too many conflicting opinions going back and forth, largely due to the accessibility of the internet, that the idea of rallying behind one idea of meaningful change gets attacked from ten different angles.

So what can one person do to "fix" the world? Nothing. Better to just enjoy life and have the most fun you can during your prime.

[–]p00pey 33 points34 points  (1 child)

This is how I sum up the world today. We're in a downward spiral, but the peons are kept in line with shit television and what not. 100s of millions tune into the kardashians while the world is burning around us. Over population, resources dwindling, it's all in decline.

Just do what makes you happy, but first find out what makes you happy. DOn't go chasing bitches because you want to compare n count with the bros like some dick measuring contest. Don't go chasing pokemons because everyone else is chasing them...

That's why meditation is key. Allows you to focus inwardly, and find what you want out of life, and then allows you to focus on attaining those goals while clearing out the noise...

[–]CornyHoosier 68 points69 points  (22 children)

(This is a thought that has been roaming around my head, so take it as you will)

Everything is cyclical. For about 500 years the Roman Empire ruled the known world, and eventually they fell. We see time and time again how great societies go up and down and it generally always reverts things back to a baser level.

Did you know that almost all the large empires at one point had to implement a bachelor tax (Roman, Ottoman, England)? Their men were no longer getting married. The betas weren't getting sex. Society had demands, but since the majority of men weren't participating, society began to break down. As much as we here at TRP strive to be the alpha, the beta is who keeps society operational. They're the guys who get work done. So if they're not happy and not working, then shit begins to fall apart.

Now look at the U.S. - Can anyone deny we're in a "hookup culture"? Divorces are common, marriage is declining and women (out of necessity) are given preferential treatment by the court and support structures of America. It's a raw deal for any man, so why would he want to participate?

Marriages and sex for beta men are plummeting, they're giving up. They're retreating to their distractions (excessive: sports, video games, hobbies & likely porn) ... and with their retreat, so goes our society. Neither sex seems to be happy about it either as American women are reaching seemingly-dangerously high levels of depression and American men are reaching seemingly-dangerously high levels of suicide.

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[–]iseeyou1312 13 points14 points  (10 children)

We're animals, primates. And only the top 10-20% of male primates pass on their genes.

The ratio would perhaps be that low for primates such as gorillas that have a male dominated harem, but for chimpanzees, humans, bonobos, etc... it would be much higher. As a species becomes more intelligent, the beta males become much more dangerous, forcing the top men to share the women or be killed. IIRC roughly 40% of males have passed on their genes, and 80% of women.

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Reasons are really not important. Ignore "reasons" and start living your life based on how things are instead of why.

To answer your question, if you really wanna phrase it as you do, it's all because of women being "choosy" - They choose not to have you, or your friend, in favour of Chad. And guess what? Chad is desirable to many women, not just one. And they are happy to share him, actually prefer to share him over having a fully committed Billy Beta.

[–]_arch_lion_daemo_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I see, thanks for the explanation

[–]Thomaskingo 36 points37 points  (12 children)

How much of the imbalance is

Lets talk N-counts. I haven't got any har data to back this up, but this is what my hypothesis is: 5-10 % of all men account for at least 50 % of all women's N-counts.

This mean that if you have closed community with a 100 women and 100 men, then 5-10 men will represent half of the different guys, most of the ladies have had sex with. As you might see, this means most women are fucking the same small group of guys, and there will be a big overlap the smaller the society.

Edit. This is also why the average partner count for men is wildly misguiding because then top alphas are pulling up the statistics tremendously for men. Women don't notice this at all, btw. They don't see it. They assume incorrectly the sexual market place is the same way for men, but it isn't.

[–]marplaneit 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Yeah, around that. I mean. I'm a med student, 20yo 5'11 (In a country where the avg height is 5'8), 185 lbs 14% bf, own my own flat (It was a present), I have a cool side bussiness, and a little socially retard but getting better everyday. I fuck around 6 different plates a year that I pick up in bars.

My other friends who don't hit the gym, but stay slim cause diet and regular running, they get 1 or 2 fucks a year if lucky, and putting a lot of effort. My two best friend, one is a lead singer in a popular local band, the other one in med school, but also play semi-pro rugby they fuck as much as their free time allows them.

The difference IS SO BIG. I mean, I have a bunch of chubby regular john friends, and most of them are virgins, or fucking landwhales.

[–]Your_Coke_Dealer 13 points14 points  (1 child)

they assume incorrectly the sexual market place is the same way for men

This is always an interesting phenomenon to see when women are told that this is not the case. Some are hardened SJWs, and just say something along the lines of "deal with it" or "shut up you neckbeard", generally when this is explained on certain subreddits. In person, the response is usually more surprised. It's not unlike when a guy goes from being ugly/fat to attractive. Invisible to women to suddenly getting attention, and they wonder "where the hell were you?" Women do not see the suffering men undergo when they do not participate in the SMP

[–]Thomaskingo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Invisible to women to suddenly getting attention, and they wonder "where the hell were you?"

This is spot on, and it's even funnier, that women also tend to rationalize the sudden attractiveness of reformed low SMV men, by thinking that they themselves have matured or the guy have "grown more up". The real explanation is almost always a physical transformation thru a year in the gym. His personality didn'tgrow half as much as his biceps, but them biceps though...

[–]The_Red_Paw 60 points61 points  (23 children)

I would suggest it is mostly the former. There is no lack of men looking for ladies. Check out any online dating site to see a 20 to 1 ratio of men looking for women.

The women have no real need to find a husband since Uncle Sam will look after them when they are old.

The percentage of men that have gone MGTOW is almost negligible compared to the overall population. A rounding error compared to all the deluded heffers who are still holding out for a 6'2" millionaire with 6 pack abs.

[–]mgtown 49 points50 points  (1 child)

This isn't quite right.

Women seem to gain their self-worth from the number of orbiter males around them. But let's be honest. These orbiter males are a very specific demographic. Financially stable, but not stellar. Socially adequate, but not the social centre. Physically able but not with physical prowess. Yet, older, usually intellectually specialised, and emotionally invested.

Almost all of MGTOW is targeted towards the last part for these men. Without these men being emotionally invested, these women have no safety net. So yes, a lot of women hating on men and men still looking, but now the turn over is ridiculously high on the ask made by men between different women.

Women are just slow as usual to realize 1 guy being emotionally invested provides more self-worth than 1000 dating-site hits. Sort of like how 1000 Facebook friends are worth less than one real friend.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (19 children)


What is this?

[–]CpCdouchebag 30 points30 points [recovered]

Japanese men in their 20s, to be more precise. It's ~71% for men in their 30s.

This is the place to be right now. Half the effort, with twice the return, both in terms of numbers of girls interested, and the perceived value each girl offers. Never looking back.

[–]yomo86 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I hate to burst your bubble. But Japanese women want a provider (I tried the AF method and only got make outs as a result). And slut shaming is rampant over there (as it should be).

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The cost of human reproduction falls far harder on women.

For a women to reproduce, she has to become pregnant which takes 9 months. For a lot of these months, she can't fend for herself. There is also the issue of dying in childbirth.

For men, it can take 5 seconds to reproduce, and your only limiter to how many kids you have is how many different women you can fuck.

Also women have no issues about paternity, they know the kid is their's. Men on the other hand don't.

For those reasons, women are more picker and less likely to abandon their kids, and men are the inverse. Your minimal investment is 5 seconds of your time, her's is a year of reproductive life + lots of energy used to produce the child.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

It's been proven, genetics helps a lot to know which percentage of men reproduce. Before civilization 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man.

It's been observed in other primates (chimps etc...), women only fuck the top males.

Now the exact numbers vary depending on various parameters (male:female ratio, availability of resources, etc...). There was a great youtube video explaining this with data on humans and chimps I can't find it...

What seems to be the case is that in the current society it's harder low value male to get laid. Because females earn money so they don't have to be married (mariage is dying), apps like tinder etc... make it easier to find a top 5% male, birth control pill means hypergamy can go without constraints, etc... These reasons are making it more difficult for the average male.

[–]iseeyou1312 14 points15 points  (0 children)

How much of the imbalance is, in your opinion, women being more "picky", and how much is men just giving up/trying less to get female company?

It's neither.

The Pareto principle is a rule of thumb for many aspects of life and nature. 20% of people own 80% of the land, 20% of pods contain 80% of the peas, 20% of soldiers kill 80% of the enemy, etc...

The SMP was previously restricted with monogamous bonds through the institution of marriage, and has largely been like that for the majority of people in the West for the past 1,500+ years or so. However, as religion has lost its influence, post-industrialised societies value male labour less making women more independent, invention of effective contraceptives, etc... it has merely returned to its natural state.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

On the male side I think it's due to ineffectiveness. There are definitely less men trying, but there are also more "can I kiss you" betas than ever before

[–]Theophagist 253 points254 points  (89 children)

And that's why the old bucks are cleaning up at the sororities. Gen X men are in their SMV prime right now and the young "can I kiss you" generation of men just can't compete.

[–]DarkuSchneider 38 points39 points  (8 children)

I'm 40 and the baby face has finally paid off as I get hit on by girls half my age now I am set in work and in descent shape. I consider myself average but in way better shape than my peers or these doughy or scrawny effeminate boys we have now. In HS/college I used to hate the older guys that came to the clubs and cleaned up. Working with bands in college helped but the rich kids and old guys could still get more action as I was still disney blinded but now I get it. I have money and many exciting stories and can offer instant fun now since I have no baggage to leech my resources and genuine confidence from life experience. For me what works is acting completely indifferent to their attempts at sex appeal then confidently using kino when I choose to engage. I have been complimented by more than one girl for having the balls to pull her into my arms or spank their ass playfully as I flirt with them. I was surprised spanking gets so many turned on. Daddy issues galore I imagine but the younger ones are often annoying except in small doses. Luckily most of them now days just want dial-up fuck buddies for the novelty of having an older man desiring them, whatever, its amusing letting them try to wear me out and seeing them have their first full-body orgasm after playing with boys. Learn how to work the human body and kino, women are all about the feels. They will stay with a broke POS that treats them like crap if they get fed the feels they desire.

[–]d0lphinsex 8 points9 points  (6 children)

  • Give Women Wild Screaming Orgasms by David Shade
  • Sex God Method by Daniel Rose

[–]DarkuSchneider 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Read SGM but not that first one, thanks. One key to understand with attraction and comfort is the understanding of biological stress. Men and women deal with stress differently mentally and chemically.

Men need to generate free Testosterone to lower the stress hormone Cortisol in their bodies. That is largely done by doing things including lifting, solving problems, learning/seeing new things, fulfilling your biological imperatives, etc. We can stop Cortisol production if we can relax and forget our problems for a few hours. Coritsol when it builds up too much will poison you organs so your body makes you flip out in anger to spend it in rapid blood sugar metabolism (another of the many uses of Cortisol int he body).

Women need Oxytocin to lower Cortisol and they have more of it than men as a tax for the baby bakery constantly cycling her hormones to grow/discard living tissue which is trauma on the body. Cortisol production is non stop 24/7 forever but lower after menopause. Women gets all kinds of triggers to produce Oxytocin to counter this issue that are traditionally girly stuff where they use mental comparisons (shopping for fun) and nurturing (growing things or watching kids) compliments and gifts actually touch them on a chemical level sometimes, pleasurable touch is also a trigger for some. This is why they are needy for such things, by easing insecurities the get their stress levels reduced. Oxytocin is a bonding hormone too for men and women alike. Research found women who are too stressed can't achieve orgasm as often and need a little kick start aka the mental/physical foreplay that gets them wet. Orgasms cause usually the largest single shot of Oxytocin over any other activity and the deep long orgasms make even more Oxy so her Cortisol levels get slammed down. You know when they get all kitten like and want to cling to you as they bond as well as the word love starts getting mentioned. Men just fall asleep usually from the Oxy spike and start bonding (seeds of oneitis) with her. If I had a nickel for every woman or man bitch about a bad partner to friends who tell them to break up to which they reply "But they are soooo good in bed."

The human body is an incredible chemically driven machine but remember nature programmed it to trick you into reproducing as much as possible (especially men) and has the ability to disconnect via those same hormones your reasoning centers that would stop you from saying no to someone normally. Nature made men weak against women biologically to make up for our physical advantages. Think about it if they did not hold the baby bakery we would have wiped them out eons ago. We were built for co-dependence on some levels to draw us together and mate. Research the chemical they found in crying women's tears and its ability to kill you TS levels by a couple hundred units within seconds of smelling them. This takes away your rocket fuel and you lose aggression and sex drive and frame unless you are strong, callous, or they are not real tears of fear/sadness as the experiment found the emotion has to be genuine. There's a reason the water-works work so well especially on low testosterone men.

So my point to all this i guess is learn to keep her stress low and give her the big O and she will be attracted and addicted as long as you can do that for her. Money, power, and looks are mostly gravy to make up for the bulk of men who cant 'do-it' for her from what I have seen.

[–]chadeusmaximus 25 points26 points  (1 child)

"Gen X-men". I'm a superhero!

[–]Theophagist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Heh I'm more of a mutant but what I lack in preselection I have in charismatic masculinity.

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (23 children)

I'm almost 30. When I was 18-21, it seemed like women were much more interested in having sex with me, women may age and older, and they seemed more attractive. Somewhere over the years, this changed. Women seem to have gotten far less attractive, interesting, and more abusive and closed minded.

[–]Theophagist 66 points67 points  (10 children)

I started to say "Maybe you changed." But I really think women have changed, becoming less attractive and interesting. And now I have to ask myself, have women always been this ugly inside and out and I never noticed it?

[–]ThereAndBlackAgain 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Women have always been this ugly inside, it's the laxness of society that makes it come out. The women from any country 400 years ago would still have the capacity to be like these women, they were just curtailed by their societies.
The perfect woman really is the greatest thing men ever invented.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 40 points41 points  (3 children)

The perfect woman really is the greatest thing men ever invented.

"Feminine virtue is nothing but a convenient masculine invention." - Ninon de L'Enclos

And to quote myself from an unreleased article:

Man's most foolish visceralism is his propensity to conflate the beautiful with the virtuous, for in doing so, he invariably sees a woman for who he'd like her to be rather than for who she is. It is this flaw of instinct in which he perceives nobility as an attendent characteristic of beauty that man costs himself considerable self-detriment.

[–]Caucasian-African 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Your quote is right-on. When I come upon a beautiful woman, my instinct is to see her as virtuous, even "above" me. I've since learned that there is no correlation.

[–]TheInevitableHulk 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Yes and no

For example a dog would behave the same as a dog from 10k years ago without any society or other dogs telling him that is the correct way to act

[–]Modredpillschool 44 points45 points  (7 children)

Somewhere over the years, this changed. Women seem to have gotten far less attractive, interesting, and more abusive and closed minded.

I'm having a similar experience. I'm a bit older than you, but I've noticed the average attitudes of women go totally downhill over the past 15 years. And it's not me that's changing (At least not in a bad way, I'm in way better shape and lost a lot of weight since my early twenties).

Women have simply become less tolerable. There are few redeeming qualities to women any more.

[–]CQC3 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I have some ideas, but what do you think those redeeming qualities that they possessed in the past are?

I figure society has enabled the worst behavior with no consequences, effectively raising spoiled human beings. Spoiled human beings are the worst because they lack any sort of appreciation or understanding gained through hardship or humbling limitation. If they weren't spoiled so much, they'd turn out fairly level. Sure, hypergamy and AWALT would still exist, but to less intense degrees.

[–]Lola_L_O_L_A_Lola 19 points19 points [recovered]

The qualities of femininity are what's lacking in the average SJW, feminist-raised millennial female. You could say feminism killed femininity. Over at RedPillWomen we strive to cultivate a feminine frame that will appeal to a worthy alpha male. Beyond "being ladylike" we want to be Yielding, Receptive, Supportive, Poised, Empathetic and Pleasant.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 37 points38 points  (1 child)

You know what's happened in the last 10 years right? Social media, smartphones, and SJWs/feminism.

Women no longer have to put in nearly as much work to get exponentially higher amounts of validation. Before the sexual apocalypse at least it was accepted that a woman had to be pretty to get validation, but now every woman is a special snowflake and if you don't tell that 200lb+ lard ass that she's pretty you're a misogynist rapist.

Feminism has also taught women that they can berate and abuse the fuck out of men and get away with it scott free. So why bother being nice and polite when you can be shitty and the results don't change?

[–]jackandjill22 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That seriously true. They're way more abrasive then their former contemporaries; not personally quite old enough to remember however when somethings wrong it's relatively easy to tell.

/u/illimitableman everyone's close-minded isn't that right?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Im sure other Gen X'rs in here will confirm this. We are spoiled for choice with girls in their early 20s. They cannot stand men their own age. I see it in action at my local bar. The bartender and all the younger guys have the hots for the girl their age behind the bar but they will not make a move. This current generation pander to these whores and get fuck all in return. It is hard to watch. At least my son will be taught properly, I will teach him to be aggressive and lead women. Rapid seduction is the only way to treat a woman yet the poor kids these days do not have a clue. I guess I will be forced to continue fucking 20 somethings deep into my 60s. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (2 children)


What is this?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

"That's rape!" -today's generation

[–]LadyLumen 24 points25 points  (5 children)

As a millennial woman I can agree with this. Gen X guys seem a lot more masculine than my generation. Maybe it's the fact that we have chemicals mimicking estrogen contaminating our food and water supply, maybe it's feminism, maybe it's the vast number of guys being raised without dads. It's probably a lot of things. But a lot of guys in my age group really are goony beta weenies. Many of them even seem gay (who are not gay) and walk and talk in an effeminate manner. And this whole stupid hipster trend doesn't help.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 79 points80 points  (32 children)

That was my assessment as well, being middle of X with no shortage of young sluts wanting to fuck. However, finding one worth more and a load of man juice on her face is near impossible.

[–]Theophagist 77 points78 points  (25 children)

finding one worth more and a load of man juice on her face is near impossible.

I used to worry about that, but then I asked myself what I would even want one of those for. I don't care if she loves sports, guns, heavy metal, and hand-builds beer caddies for the top of trash cans, I only want her for her feminine essence. Male friends offer the intellectual fulfillment which I require.

[–]euneaux 46 points47 points  (5 children)

The 1000-Cock-Stare epidemic is worse than ever.

[–]the_pill_is_free 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Before it was just hookers and strippers that had it. After using the services of some working girls, you start noticing the dead eyes everywhere.

[–]Your_Coke_Dealer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

So many sorority girls. They also are fully aware of how skanky they've been and have a tendency to eventually feel worthless when guys fuck them but never commit.

Well, duh, I'm not stupid and I know they're fucking a dozen other guys this week alone. Why would I take the bullet and commit?

[–]theeverywhereman 10 points10 points [recovered]

Can you elaborate a bit on this? Is it some kind of perennial cock hangover and the doom of diminishing cock returns as the wall approaches?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)


Have you ever seen a porno where in the end of it after the woman has been finished with, her eyes are just wide open and she has a deadness in her eyes.


[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

This. Another article on this same study stated that only 5% of Millennial women were sexually inactive. If 15% of all Millennials are sexually inactive, this suggests that 25% of Millennial men aren't having sex at all.

The real story is that Millennial men are 5 times more likely to be incels than the women of their generation.

[–]HappyMexican 25 points26 points  (5 children)

I have tried NOT to believe this, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt, but that rule just seems to pop up as true the more I go out dating. I use to go out every weekend to bars and social events, for years now, What I find is since I am not in the top 20, getting sex is a fucking shit storm of frustrating, soul wrenching failure, and then maybe I get laid that month, but probably not.

I have been cuckold by more attractive higher SMV males already out in the field. Twice at least, my girl who I came with left with a better looking, cooler guy and slept with them instantly. The rule slapping me in the face.

Other guys who are really nice/stable cool dudes I like, had the same issues. After going to the same places I saw the same guys like me still trying as well, but because of their low SMV, they left empty handed too. They were all Lower SMV, hmm what a coincidence no?

Why put up with that shit when I can just go home and play video games, work on my skills, work out and enjoy spending time with my friends. I spent months trying to get laid and I screwed up my diet (Trying to have fun socially makes you fat), wasted hundreds of dollars, and felt like I wasted so much time. So annoying.

I think its less to do with feminism and more to do with guys are tired of begging for attention, blowing money/time and coming home with nothing all the time 95% of the time. THAT'S why we see 9 percent drop.

[–]DatFeeler 9 points9 points [recovered]

If it takes a ton of effort to get laid you might have one or both of two issues:

  1. You're not following rules #1 & #2 ( you're unattractive )

  2. You have unrealistic expectations based on your SMV position (mostly looks).

I see your point though. Most dudes these days would rather not bother. I have steady plates now, but I have to agree that the process of acquiring/replacing them feels like pulling teeth sometimes.

MGTOW might be for you.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (10 children)

That's what I looked for in the article I read about it and no mention of male female ratio was nentioned. I guess I got the SJW sanitized version.

[–]DatFeeler 28 points28 points [recovered]

There's a link on main Reddit that has a breakdown by sex.

Something like 96% going to 93% for women and 94% going to 76% for guys. I'll try to find it.

[–]rumovoice 11 points12 points  (5 children)

This stat is completely wrong and is made by someone who wasn't able to properly read the original article. This was mentioned multiple times in top comments.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Wow that's awful, thanks for posting it

[–]L-System 19 points20 points  (5 children)


It said, millennial women went from 2.3% to 5.4% that’s 2.35x. Men went from 6 to 15, 2.5x.

It’s pretty much proportional

[–]Hexthorne 46 points47 points  (2 children)

It's even more false than that. The original study is only talking about the % of the population self reporting as virgins increasing, not about amount of sex for the population overall.

Millennials are not having less sex, there's just more virgins (neckbeards and whales) within the Millennial age range than were seen previously.

These are also self reporting numbers, so it's difficult to tell if there's an actual increase in virgins or just an increase in the number of people willing to admit it in a study. The shift could also be related to access to porn, the obesity epidemic narrowing the dating pool in the top range (that's definitely a factor but hard to tell how big of one), or economic in nature.

Holy fucking hell this sub is absolute trash at parsing scientific studies.

[–]Modredpillschool 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Women could go from 1% to 2% and men from 50% to 100%. It's both a 100% increase, but don't pretend it's the same increase.

[–]cs_throwawayyy 254 points255 points  (80 children)

I personally blame the rise of social media. Before all of this, people weren't aware of the high watermark lifestyles. Now all you have to do is scroll through any social media feed to find at any given moment that some one is having a great time(vacation, job promotion, getting married, etc).

So now the expectations for great life has increased, throw in women hypergamous ways. Do you think they want to settle for TV on the couch every night.

Ignorance truly is bliss, now everyone is playing the rat race trying to one up the other on social media.

[–]Khalilyousuf2 130 points131 points  (58 children)

You just described Toronto

[–]Mildsoss 65 points66 points  (28 children)

I keep hearing this about Toronto women. Are they really that terrible?

[–]____MegaManX____ 113 points114 points  (11 children)

Toronto Canadian women are the core of feminism, the fucking bee hive of Feminists. 95% of them are looking for Drake lifestyle type men

[–]Skully5591 94 points95 points  (1 child)

And they don't even look close to the hoes we see on Drake's videos.

[–]d0lphinsex 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Sounds like Swedish Stockholm women as well (I guess Canada ~ Sweden).

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[–]unpluggedoasis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Starting to think that asshole game is the only thing that works in this town.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (11 children)

I never understood how bad the GTA area was until I experienced myself. Working in Ottawa and Toronto for 8 months showed me everything I needed to know about the situation.

Effectively every woman in Toronto is seeking the Sex in the City lifestyle they see on television. This combined with an educational system which is heavily influenced by feminism and equality of outcome has lead to a multi-generational set of self entitled virtue signalers.

Not to mention the vast majority of above median salary careers are in government and largely have "equal opportunity" hiring practices. These are largely equal outcome not equal opportunity in nature like all affirmative action systems.

You also have a rapidly increasing housing in-affordability problem.

It's pretty much doom for white beta males. Only the most specialized can be successful there. You also have to consider that unlike the US, Canada is mostly white. Roughly 16% of the population is non white. Unlike the US this does not include South American, Native American, Indian & Caribbean as white. With blacks being the smallest visible demographic representing less than 1%. However, Toronto specifically represents more than half the non white population of the country.

You have a large group of virtue signalers which have never left there backyard and assume Canada is multicultural. This is one of the biggest lies in Canadian culture. The reality is you have white Canada with Vancouver representing most of the Asian subset and the GTA representing all other ethnic groups mostly in Toronto, Peterborough and Brampton.

With the only notable exception of Native Americans which has pockets all over the country largely due to the reservation system with most living in poverty due to corruption in their own communities.

[–]LosingMoneyAllDay 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Yeah no kidding. You can't afford real estate? Neeeeeexxxtt

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 84 points85 points  (3 children)

The funny thing is, people aren't actually having awesome lives. Their social media pages are the highlight reel. The parts they want to show the outside world.

Off of Facebook people fight, worry about money, deal with sick kids, work sucks, shit breaks, things need cooking and cleaning.

When you spend 18 hours a day on your fucking cell phone reading social media and seeing how awesome everybody else's highlight reels look, you start to feel like your life is falling apart. Like you're the only one who doesn't have an awesome life.

This is especially painful for women. When they look at all of the fancy trips and glamour shots on Facebook, it seems like everyone else's husbands and boyfriends must make more money, look better, spend more time doing cool shit, etc.

Social media makes attached women think that they've undersold themselves and need to get out, and unattached women think that objectively good guys aren't good enough.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Preach on reverend. People can't believe why I don't have ANY social media when I have a pretty awesome traveling profession. Women especially don't understand. "Why aren't you showing off on Facebook?," is the look and vibe I get. Um. Because I don't give a shit about sharing my life with people who don't matter. I'm aware of the humble brag, but it was necessary. Pardon.

[–]StirlingG 42 points42 points [recovered]

Do you think they want to settle for TV on the couch every night.

Ironically, this is what most women do now. Sit on the couch and wait for a high-smv male to fawn on them for their looks.

[–]Morpheus-Man 33 points34 points  (8 children)

Lazy ass bitches that netflix and chill their entire youth, going to the gym once or twice a year for snapchat views, while cock falls on their lap via tinder

[–]Drogba006 40 points41 points  (7 children)

Hobbies: Coffee, pizza, friends, Netflix, good vibes.

Love it

[–]Rynolz 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Holy shit that's every millennial girl alive right now.

[–]99_Problem 10 points11 points  (1 child)

And "traveling." Don't forget traveling.

[–]askmrcia 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Easily the best and most true comment on this thread. Could not agree more. Thanks to social media, women never want to come across as boring. They look at all their friend's social media pages taking these amazing vacations and want that themselves.

You all really think girls love to travel? Hell no. They say they love to travel to seem more interesting. Girls only travel just to post pictures of themselves to show how cool their lifestyle is. Actually girls only go out to clubs to post pictures to show how cool their social life is. They will go to clubs just to take pictures and post it on the Internet. Just go to any club or high traffic bar and watch all the selfie takers.

So if you're a guy in a relationship, how can you keep up? You're going to have to keep sending more and more money and time going to all these activities just to make it seem like you have a life.

No modern girl wants a guy who's going to go to work, workout and watch Netflix when he gets home on most nights. That's boring. She can't post that shit online. You have to take her to clubs, sporting events, vacations to South Beach or the Mardi Gras, ect...

You can't do that then you have to cause some drama so she can have something to talk to her friends about to make her life seem interesting. You can't do that then she will leave. Social media is a huge issue

[–]2Overkillengine 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There are some benefits to social media for men though - it is a good red flag indicator tool that women voluntarily use to out themselves as poor LTR prospects but prime pump and dump prospects.

The more social media she engages in, the more of a media validation junkie she is.

Act accordingly.

[–]Modredpillschool[M] 101 points102 points  (37 children)

Some factors that I think are helping these stats:

  • Instant and free access to porn (not a substitute for sex, but definitely lowers men's drive to achieve natural sex).
  • Feminism changing female attitudes.
  • The shift in the sexual market taking away opportunity where betas used to thrive.
  • Obesity.

[–]mrheh 49 points50 points  (27 children)

Don't forget student are being programmed from a young age everything is rape and sexual harassment now with the added cherry on top is every single class will discuss how evil men, especially white men are. Boys/Teens are terrified to be labeled a sexual harasser and rapist or repeat the "mistakes" of other evil men in history. They are encouraged at a very young age to be a new generation of "men" who will basically be the weakest human he can be so woman don't feel inferior.

[–]askmrcia 74 points75 points  (25 children)

This. There was a thread on the front page of reddit yesterday, where a user was asking girls what makes a guy creepy.

And the answers were just....

Put it this way most of the answers that girls say what makes a guy creepy is the following :

  1. Don't know how to take a hint that we're not interested.

  2. Adding girls on Facebook

  3. Messaging girls on Facebook

  4. Walking up to them and trying to talk to them when they don't even know you

  5. Eye fucking them

  6. If they text back short responses, then that means they not interested. So guys need to get the hint.

  7. Calling them on the phone because no one calls anymore.

  8. Trying to touch the girl on the first date

  9. When making out, trying to move hand on crotch area

I can keep going. Girls are pretty much telling guys that just interacting with them can make a guy a creepy rapist. Guys are being taught to walk on egg shells around women now. The guys that so well with women are guys who don't give a shit being called a creepy rapist. But most men feel like they can't interact with women because they will be called a creep. And people wonder why guys fear rejection. It's not the fear of rejection, it's the fear of being humiliated and getting a label placed on you.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (2 children)

It's not the fear of rejection, it's the fear of being humiliated and getting a label placed on you.

Exactly this. Calling a guy creepy is a complete deathblow to them. I'm in great shape and pretty decent looking, but I would rather be called fat, dumb, stupid, idiot and all that, before being called creepy.

[–]mrheh 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Thank god I'm 31 now and the crazy feminist shit wasn't where it is now when I was just starting school. These little kids are going to hate themselves and be terrified of girls and too afraid to ask a man for advice because men are the cause of every problem in society and history.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 19 points20 points  (2 children)

this is exactly why I didn't have strong male friendships. The masculine men talked game. I didn't know why they would be jerks to me or my other (soft) friends. They spoke a completely different language and showed no effort to make me a part of their circle. Looking back, why should they? I was a weak (feminized) man. The end result was that there were two men: good men and evil men. Feminism divides men against themselves.

[–]misfit2872 22 points23 points  (7 children)

The most prominent way to be labelled a "creep" by women......not being a Chad,not being alpha enough for their tastes....or not being a douchebag.....basically being a member of the 80% club....

[–]2awalt_cupcake 18 points19 points  (3 children)

The other way is to be Chad in her eyes and then turn into a sniveling beta. She'll think she got tricked into fucking you for so long. That means she was raped and you are a rapist that tricks women into fucking.

[–]saibot83 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I've made this mistake once or twice. Oh... the HATRED that came my way. It turned me off of women quite a bit. I'm the same guy I've always been. I just got feelings for them and became too needy. I'm trying very hard to exorcise that part of me. I was insanely beta back in the day. Less so nowadays but it still lingers. The ghost of non girlfriends past.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This shows how narrow minded women are of men. They expect us to be these walking stud machines and lo and behold when we turn out to be normal people with feelings, they retaliate in disgust!

[–]askmrcia 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Creeps are defined if a girl likes you or not.

I've known guys that stalked their girlfriends, showing up at work, waiting outside their jobs and shit and guess what? Girls would still sleep with them because they are attracted to them.

Now you get some austic fat guy doing that shit. You're going to jail and get the stalker label.

[–]TRP117 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ironically actually creepy individuals such as Ted bundy usually have a harem of sorts that looks up to them and is attracted to them.

I mean look at the amount of pregnant prison workers and guards.

^ these people seem way more creepy to me than some guy who is stuttering and scared giving you a complement. But I'm a fucking man right, I wouldn't understand.

[–]d0lphinsex 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Eye fucking them

When making out, trying to move hand on crotch area

This is my game. Works 60% of the time, every time.

[–]TooMuchToDoo 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I think the correlation between obesity and the easy access to porn cannot be understated. The US Department of Health states that 64% of the female population in the US are overweight and 36% of the population is obese (as an aside, the male population is 74% and 36% respectively, but the fact is that women aren't attracted to men in the same way as men are attracted to women-- we're attracted to good looks and beauty, women are attracted to that, along with charm, wit, job security... etc).

While the obesity epidemic spreads, males have easier access to viewing ungodly attractive women who appear more than happy to shag them, even if it might be through a computer screen. Looking out their windows to see Suzy McLandmass isn't exactly a motivator to get outside and mingle with the opposite sex.

[–]FRedington 3 points3 points [recovered]

Would you consider that more younger men without the personal experience of having been "Divorce Raped" as many of their fathers have been are choosing to GTOW rather than experience what their fathers have first hand?

[–]tenix 40 points41 points  (2 children)

I have been lurking for about 2 years now and finally deciding to post. I would go further to say that social media is a major cause for this. Social media allows hypergamy to run unchecked. Imagine being a in a relationship while your girlfriend is constantly posting on twitter, facebook, snapchat and while secretly looking for the next highest bidder. It's disgusting. Our mothers did not do this. Our grandmothers did not do this. Western women today get more daily attention than 1950s movie stars.

Looks like someone else posted this, too.

[–]2Overkillengine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Social media is just gas tossed on the already burning fires of Rome. Letting women have a pass on the obligations that gave men a reason to treat them as anything other than a disposable meat hole while still sticking men (specifically the ones whom were participating in society in good faith) with the bill was the spark that started the hellish inferno burning society down around our ears.

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (10 children)


I think that's the source. Read through the article and it's really weird they didn't plot gender differences. How do you write a paper about sex in different age groups and generations, but ignore gender differences? Or differences in sub-groups? Seriously weird.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 116 points117 points  (7 children)

This is a common Progressive tactic, the lie of omission. You'll see various disparities discussed in news articles and wikipedia articles regarding race or age, but they will curiously leave out gender differences unless the data support their worldview.

I wrote a post about this related to male unemployment and inner city violence a while back here: Lies of Omission – Progressives and the “Wizard behind the Curtain”

[–]103342 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Just the fact that they refuse to paint the full picture says pretty much everything you need to know and more.

[–]playingwithfyre 77 points78 points  (15 children)

Matching efficiency had increased due to technology. Less compromise necessary, shift further towards 80/20.

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[–]offthebeatmeoff 23 points24 points  (8 children)

It's multiple factors. It's a perfect storm of several factors. Less slut shaming. Online dating is the norm now. As a result of these factors and possibly more girls have access to more attractive men at the tip of their fingers with less social repercussions. You can't really blame them for any of it.

[–]Camberlain 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I agree. In generations past there were a small number of players who got lots of girls and a small number of losers who got none. The bulk of guys got their one wife or girlfriend. It seems that due to changes in society and technology the number of both players and losers have skyrocketed and the monogamous couples have decreaced.

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What is this?

[–]MOCKxTHExCROSS 110 points111 points  (46 children)

I believe there are several reasons for the marked increase in male virgins:

  1. Increased levels of economic inequality and debt, particularly for millennials. This negatively impacts the provisioning strategy behind BB for males only.

  2. Increased levels of obesity. This negatively impacts men more because unattractive men have more difficulty securing sex than women.

  3. Decreased testosterone due to environmental endocrine disruptors and obesity. Women prefer high T men, especially for sexual relationships.

  4. Lack of male role models in education. Game is learned, not innate, and these missing men are the ones who used to teach it.

  5. Ease of access to porn from a young age reducing the physical consequences of a sexless lifestyle, and rewriting the reward system around sex.

Edited per feedback.

[–]Bearhardy 67 points68 points  (29 children)

I think the 1 and the 6 are the biggest ones, take me for example I'm no virgin, I'm fit and look good but for me it's not worth the hassle or the money to pursue meaningless sex because that's all you can get fromwomen now a days, if they fall in my lap good if not I got porn so I don't go insane, the rest of my time goes into working, reading and trying to get out of this goddam rat race

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 68 points68 points [recovered]

The juice ain't worth the squeeze.

I'm the same. Rich, solid 8/10, in shape, gains+definition. Putting together the whole package i'm probably well in the 90th+ percentile, party due to wealth, and it's not like pussy just falls in my lap all day long. I seem to serial LTR until it's no longer desirable and just invest heavily in myself, improving my business and just living to make myself happy. Dating isn't worth the effort, even if you get good results. If you are trying to do something with your life prostitutes/escorts seem like a much better use of time compared to Tinder/online dating. And i'm saying this as someone who has slept with dozens from online dating and never used a prostitute. Bitches aren't worth the time investment in most cases.

If I was a fat loser I would definitely be MGTOW lol.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (17 children)

Former fat loser here. Escorts are pretty rad, I wake up and hit the gym, hit the market on my way home, make a phone call or two, then a ho arrives to tell me how good my cooking smells and I bang her in between stirring the pot.

No she doesn't get to taste it.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 18 points19 points  (10 children)

I'd be pretty paranoid to order one in the U.S. When in Amsterdam though, its all in. ;)

Do you take an escort on a date first to see that she isn't po-po? Fuck. The whole idea is pretty scary in the states. Bravo to you for being successful at it.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Dude no.

When I was still a naive faggot I took one on a date. We went for ice cream as it was a super hot day. That same girl did a hit of heroine and a line of coke (no idea why you'd do both) in the bathroom the moment we hit a hotel.

No fucking thank you.

You're paying her to be there, pump her until your dick doesn't work anymore then kick her out. I did it once in the US and got some crazy dominant chick she was fun. To be honest the only time I've ever had an issue was in Amsterdam... one of the chick's in the glass doors called me over and I was like welp why not and the moment I get in there she puts her hand on the alarm button and is like "give me your wallet or I'm calling the cops".

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Dude, that is a terrible experience. I'm sorry to hear that. I've been to TRL Distict like 6 times on 2 different Amsterdam trips. And I'll keep going back. Never had a problem.

Just don't go drunk. I think day fucking is better than night fucking. The night hoes seem to be really greedy for money and don't perform well probably due to the higher rent for the evening shift. The most beautiful Czech Republic absolute HB10 fucked me stupid on 2 separate occasions (1 trip) like at 2 p.m. I still think about that fucking broad. Perfection.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Curious: what is your source?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Google fu typically. Basically once you get a number you treat her like a normal service person, like if you were texting a plumber.

If she is normal about things then you're probably good to go, if it's some kind of agency you'll find out right away when you call her and there's some dude in the background or shit like that, basically what we are looking for here is college girls looking for help to pay their tuition, anything outside that you need to use your judgement/trust your gut.

The whole thing is based very heavily on trust. If the girl that shows up is not what you ordered, tell her to leave.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 16 points16 points [recovered]

Increased levels of economic inequality and debt, particularly for millennials. This negatively impacts the provisioning strategy behind BB for males only.

Totally agree. The state is basically daddy BB now.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (6 children)

increased levels of obesity and economic inequality/debt are definitely the two factors that i'd be willing to place bets on. Obese men AND women are going to have trouble having sex, more so for men though. On economic problems, being poor is absolutely the worst thing for a man over the age of say 23-24 or so. I mean seriously, if youre saddled with mad student loan debt and grossing well under 40 k a year (a VERY common situation nowadays), good luck finding a fucking mate that isnt trashy or much, much younger. this isn't always the case though, my parents can definitely attest to that, but that doens't change that fact that i's going to hinder you considerably. It's hard for most women to be attracted to a guy that is living in a shit apt or at his parents at 27 with outstanding debts. I do feel that over time women will adapt though, but it's gonna suck no matter what

[–]throwawayyourliberty 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Wrong. Most men were always poor. Now women earn more or as much as their male peers. Women never want to "date down" the hierarchy. That means they will not consider them as an adequate reproduction partner.

Most women have now more degrees. Even if their male counterpart is as rich as them, they will not consider them as an adequate reproduction partner.

Last but not least, there were social constraints powered by culture to prevent women to act on their hypergamy. Now they are completely loose. Nothing of all three points have anything to do with economic inequality or debt. We will never feel the Bern.

[–]Tailback 88 points89 points  (23 children)

I have a temp co-worker that's a 22 year old Male. He's on his 3rd Summer working with us and is a great kid. Funny, smart, and IMHO a pretty good looking guy. Better looking than I was at his age at least. He's 6'4" so he doesn't have my height disadvantage.

He could care less about girls. He hangs out with his buds, plays games, watches movies, and just enjoys his life. His ex girlfriend from HS called him last Summer for a bootie call and afterwards asked him to get back with her. His answer? "I'm not really interested in relationships."

I brought up RedPill and MGTOW to him and asked him if he had read any of that. He said "No, it's just that guys I know have seen how screwed up relationships are. Bitches are just crazy and not worth my time."

God how I wish I was that aware at his age. I'm happy with my marriage, but really it has been a huge waste of money. She had student loans and credit card debt when we married. We HAD to buy a house despite "our" amount of debt. Furniture, trips to see HER family, etc.... I was in the Army so a 800 sq/ft studio apt would have been fine with me until I die. I'd have money coming out my ears at the age of 40. Right about the time to get into a "seeking arrangement" or lining up escorts along with yearly visits to PI, VietNam, and Thailand.

Read this and learn all you HS to early 20's guys.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz[S] 102 points103 points  (9 children)

22 is a tough year to be a male, assuming you're anywhere below Christ Hemsworth and Ryan Gosling on the looks scale. There's a reason that's the age where the infamous Elliot Rodger went postal.

For girls, this is the prime fertility year, so they're having the time of their lives with as many chads as they can fit in their box. For a dude, you're nobody. College is most likely over or ending, so there's no longer a little mini dating pool consiting of 18-21 year olds where you fit right in. You're in the same dating pool as grown men. You're making shit money (especially in this economy) and your only fucking experience (if there's any at all) is with thirsty, needy college sluts who drink too much and give it up easy. Now you're entering the world of chads with actual money and experience and ladies with drying ovaries and heightened expectations.

I would never want to relieve my 22-year-old dating experience ever again - what a nightmare.

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[–]zedsdedforever 17 points18 points  (0 children)

keep going. As always, shit gets better when you make it better

[–]Long_Stroke 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Ouch, that was just too accurate

[–]virtualvirgincake 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Yo this is pretty accurate.

I was at the top of the pile in college and now I'm at the bottom again. Everyone treats me like a kid at work.

But I know just in a few years, the table is going to flip massively. I can already see it taking place as I get older and I'm getting more confident

Money, knowledge and fitness are the only things I care about right now.

[–]CQC3 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's even worse if you have no preexisting social circle and go to a commuter college.

[–]CornyHoosier 27 points28 points  (6 children)

I'm happy with my marriage, but really it has been a huge waste of money. She had student loans and credit card debt when we married. We HAD to buy a house despite "our" amount of debt. Furniture, trips to see HER family, etc.... I was in the Army so a 800 sq/ft studio apt would have been fine with me until I die. I'd have money coming out my ears at the age of 40

You just describe my buddy to the letter (he was even in the Army).

A couple years ago he got oneitis from one big ol snooty bitch. Within a year and a half she pressures him into marriage. Within 6 months of that they have a new house, a kid (that seems like less than 9 months ... hmmm), a car (for her) and a dog and all their vacations are to her family out on the East coast. The worst part is that she doesn't even work and dictates how all the money will be used. I've literally started buying him cases of beer (when I occasionally am allowed to come over) because she thinks him spending $20 on a case of Coors every couple weeks is too much.

The poor fucker just got a new job and it came with a bonus. The moment he mentioned it to me her eyes and ears perked up and she started talking about how they were going to use the money on new things that conveniently were going to be used by her. He is confined to some hell hole they they have dubbed a "man cave"; which I just find to be special.

I'm the only single friend he has left as she has hate-banned all the rest. I recently kidnapped him for a guys day by saying I needed his help moving something ("nah, just leave your phone at home, we'll be right back"). I took him to a couple breweries, we went out and raced some remote control drones/cars, went for a sloppy BBQ lunch and topped the day off with a Rockies baseball game. I've not seen him that happy since our college days.

[–]askmrcia 18 points19 points  (5 children)

This was really sad to read because you just described almost all my friend's situations. There are times I wished I was married or in a ltr then I remember my friend's situations or read something like you just wrote.

My cousin is married. He's 40 and I'm 26. His wife is what most would call a unicorn. Not a slut, pretty, church girl, and I can't see her cheating on him. Sounds good right?

Well why does my 40 year old cousin who is almost a pastor at his church often calls me or come over to my house out of the blue?

He hates being around his wife and three kids. Sometimes he looks so tired and defeated because all his money and hard work is going to his wife. Again this girl is like the best of the best. She don't work though, but she also doesn't demand tons of money. As good of a woman she is, he still has to spend alot of money to take care of her. She still can get on his nerves. Kids too. His situation is perfect because most guys would love to be my cousin, but I'm telling you right now the guy is miserable because he's pretty much a slave to her.

Me? I do pretty well with women. I have my dry spells here and there and sometimes I do get lonely. But those are temporary like a day or two. And I have far more free time then my cousin.

I really think being single and never getting married is the best way to do things in today's society.

[–]CornyHoosier 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I really think being single and never getting married is the best way to do things in today's society.

Welcome to the club. Plenty of beer, tons of freedom to do whatever you want when you want and now all the women around us are slutty as hell so you don't need to get into a relationship to fuck them.

(Freedom Brag: If you told my 24 yo, broke, fat, virgin ass I'd be living my current life at 31 yo, I'd have laughed in your face.

I literally bought some ammo for my new Berretta .40 and some new FPV Drone parts last night. Then I went to the bar to drink a bit with some buddies, before we went to the Rockies game. As the game was ending I was drunk and horny so sent out a quick texts around the 8th-9th inning and had this new girl I've been seeing waiting at the door by the time I walked home.

If this ain't the American dream I don't know what is.)

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I really think being single and never getting married is the best way to do things in today's society.

Exactly this. I would rather be an ugly dude who can't get laid, than a married guy who gets "duty sex." At least if you are an ugly dude who is single, you can at least pay for sex and you have less drama, along with more free time. My older brother is getting married and I wish him the best of luck, but I'm never getting married.

[–]Venicedreaming 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Are you really happy with your marriage?

[–]Tailback 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Tonight, no. But, on the whole, it's been pretty good. She's a submissive, has worked the whole time, and is a very good housekeeper. We found out after marriage she can't have kids so that's a big stress taken off the shoulders.

Would I have made the same decision with the info I've learned in TRP or MGTOW? No...absolutely not and I'd be a decade ahead of myself financially for it.

She's starting to lose her looks body wise now. She's 40+ but the fact that she has good genes, was an athlete, and no kids has kept her pretty damn good looking. The last couple years she's stopped caring about gaining weight. That pisses me off because for years she was hounding me to exercise. I am exercising now, lost about 20'ish pounds, am feeling and looking great.

Right now, I wish I was single and on a holiday tour through the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam. Not just for the cute women, but also for the food. My wife is deathly (carries an epi pen) allergic to all forms of seafood. My Mother worked at a seafood processing plant and I grew up on the best of the best. I miss it. At least I get my sexual needs taken care of whenever I want.

[–]Wingardienleviosah 26 points27 points  (1 child)

the mouse utopia expiriment This relevant expiriment deals with the social breakdown of a fully matured mouse colony in which all the natural hinderances to their population besides physical space have been removed. This means no predators and an unlimited food supply(aka the present situation of modern man). The results are quite pertinent to this discussion, particularly when references are made by the experimenters to the male mice that have opted out of the mature society and its confusing roles despite being physically normal specimens. They are reffered to as the 'beautiful ones'. The social breakdown and cessation of human reproduction reflects our own stage of late mature societal development. I think the level of violence and opting out among males is a natural response to the death of a coherent role for us in the society.

[–]silverbullett 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Don't forget about the changing college graduation rates.


Women don't date down.

[–]ImmmOldGregg 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They would rather eat each-other.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Probably most guys are having less sex. Women are only upping things from what I know

[–]7Tomus 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Its like you either have too much to fuck or nothing at all. Either you are top 10% and you get all the pussy you want, or you are just somewhere in top 50 and you ocasionally get lucky. If you are even lower, then you are just another orbiter material at best.

With tinder nowdays, all a woman have to do is open the app and wait 5 min for the floodgate of thirsty sausages to open. Does not matter if you are top 10% or ugly hog, you will find lay pretty fast. While on the other hand, if a dude does not look like Adonis he is left with nothing.

So yeah, with relativelly high supply of good looking men just few clicks away any normal guy has abysmal chance of getting laid.

[–]Unholy_VI 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Yes that's pretty much stated in the sidebar.

Every woman literally worth a fuck thinks she deserves a 'chad' (top 10% guy) to fall madly in love with her, give her great kids and a wonderful princessy life. She'll settle for a beta if she's not good enough SMV to get a chad but even if he's higher smv than her (say a 7ish guy and a 5ish chick) she'll still feel slighted at not having her chad and look for opportunities to cheat/start relationships with guys higher smv than her beta.

Hence all the man hate. Every wonam 5+ has probably been fucked at some point by a bored chad who then kicked them to the curb and probably treated them pretty harshly when they started stalking him afterward. it's kind of funny. They reinforce this belief that all guys are assholes who don't want commitment because of something that only 10% of us did...we just did to pretty much all of them.

they forget all the perfectly suitable guys that pursued them but weren't' up to their delusional standard.

[–]marinewannabee97 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I'm gonna say this as a bisexual guy. Women are stuck up, period. One shirtless pic on grinder and I can guarantee at least 5 responses within the hour, same pic on tinder? Fucking nothing. The start dates are also different, the two guys I met through grindr were at least 8s, however to even get a fucking response on tinder I had to lower my standards to 5s. IDGAF anymore, more time to train, study and work.

[–]okiedokie321 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Fuck, I wish I was bi (straight male here). You guys have the best of both worlds.

[–]Granarc 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Young Men are having less sex because LTR's are dangerous. Take 20-30% of my shit for 22 years if she has a kid.. take half my shit and 50% of my future pay if we were married then her mood changes and divorce rapes me, seems like a shitty deal to me. Thanks to this Female Superiority game of cash and prizes, men are going their own way. The thing that all american men need to realize is that anyplace else on this planet, we are fucking super status magnets. Go Lay Pipe elsewhere my friends.

[–]plenty_of_eesh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But don't come to Brazil! It's terrible for that here...


[–]Gelu_sf 21 points22 points  (1 child)

This whole primal switch thing looks exactly like the women jobs in STEM: in societies where wealth is absent there are more women in STEM than in high-welfare societies.

There was a study showing that in Sweden almost no women go in tech, instead they choose soft subjects, nursing, humane fields, stuff like that. Whereas in Bangladesh you're more likely to find a woman programmer because they're forced in to a higher paying field due to poverty.

Same here.. when women have what they want they revert to their natural state. The path of least resistance is the most natural. Hence, those low-T millenials are not the cavemen women are looking for (and importing in droves from MENA)

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (5 children)

There are two classic millenials that work for me and their situation perfectly describes these articles.

He is a fat Hiillary fan who whines when I assign him tasks. I have to chase him to complete everything as I overhear him planning lunch all morning. He takes girls out to expensive restaurants and is perpetually friendzoned. He is a loser.

She is kind of cute, "dates alot", and has been alphawidowed by a guy who she " shares dog custody" with. Guaranteed that every dog dropoff and pickup involves his Alpha cock in her mouth. She also lies on all the surveys and says she isn't having sex with anyone.. That's what she tells my team so I am sure surveys are also falsified to soothe her hamster.


Bitches are still fucking and lie about it. They fuck the same minority of men. The majority of millennial do men jerk off onto their mantitties and take comfort from articles like this. They want to think everyone is sexless

[–]103342 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The majority of millennial do men jerk off onto their mantitties and take comfort from articles like this. They want to think everyone is sexless.

This is probably it... I saw this on the front page of reddit and thought: "Yeah, right".

Sometimes you just gotta swallow reality and take anecdotal evidence for what it is. I know enough people and their private lives to realize that there is a pattern going on in the youth and no one is a special snowflake, but probably one among many other people.

VERY, very, very few people actually get away from the norm and context of society. Chances are, if you are where you are there are a lot of people in a very similar position to yours.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (13 children)

I only really lurk here but I have a scenario that seems kind of applicable. This is from a few months ago before I knew about RP or anything remotely similar.

I had a profile on OKCupid because I just moved to a new area. My profile looked similar to most others I'm sure - I like reading, hiking, blah blah blah.

Someone "likes" my page or whichever OK equivalent so I think, well... might as well start a conversation.

So I do so. Her first response is, "Your profile makes you sound like an MRA," to which I had to ask what an MRA was because I genuinely had no idea and the only google search turned up Men's Rights Activist - to where I really got confused because I figured that nowhere in my profile about enjoying reading or making beer did I think I put that in there.

The only response I got when I asked where in the world did you get that from? Was, "just a hunch."

Then the conversation was over. I deleted my profile shortly after and am still confused.

[–]itsmehobnob 112 points113 points  (5 children)

Remember the scene in Good Will Hunting when the guy in the bar is bragging about some idea and Matt Damon shuts him down saying, "Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just got finished some Marxian historian, Pete Garrison prob’ly, you’re gonna be convinced of that until next month when you get to James Lemon, then you’re gonna be talkin’ about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year, you’re gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin’ about you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization."

The girl in question just got done reading about MRAs and sees them everywhere.

[–]1v1mebruh 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The girl in question just got done reading about MRAs and sees them everywhere.

This may also be a factor contributing to what OP is talking about.

[–]darkrood 20 points21 points  (0 children)

When you feminazi, every male is male Jew

[–]flat6turbo 34 points35 points  (4 children)

use tinder and lie about your income on sugardaddy sites.

guaranteed lays.

[–]D4rkr4in 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Wait girls browse both huh...

[–]blackierobinsun2 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Because women are more stuck up than ever, thinking they put on a little makeup and they deserve a millionaire, they live in there own reality with a stick so far up their ass, women in America shouldn't be allowed to work any office job if it was up to me

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

i use to work (retail) with a girl.. kinda cute, probably a 6. she told me her husband was going to be 6'4, jacked, and makes well into 6 figures at minimum. so basically a pro athlete or a harvard doctor/lawyer. i asked "why in the world would this guy date you, the cashier?" she didnt have much of a response.

[–]WilliamBott 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Men are looking at the product of this cultural virus and saying "yeah, these people aren't worth fucking," and sticking to their porn and video games.

As a MGTOW, you nailed it right there.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

What a strange game; it seems the only way to win is not to play.

[–]Scrubstepcat 34 points35 points  (1 child)

10/10 great post. pretty much sums up the reality here, and why ive been against feminism for a /long time/and only now with this shit opening up and becoming mainstream people agree with me. It's unfortunate we can't just live in a world where a higher concept of love is possible. I don't give a shit about casual (with a random person) sex, I don't get pleasure from casual sex, I need someone I love and unfortunately I like vagina. Love for me requires intellectual fullfilment, aswell as physical, it can really feel like a catch 22 at times. On top of it all, I can rarely find male friends with this fullfilment, let alone a female who can come close to fulfilling it.

[–]bar_hopper_dc 27 points28 points  (10 children)

Little bit of a end-of-anger-phase rant coming.

This flies in the face of what women really want - to be protected and nurtured in the company of high-quality men.

TRP in a nutshell. Forget what you've been taught about women. Forget all the fucking movies and tales of romance. Forget poetry. Become a high value man, embrace your sexuality, and express it by approaching, flirting, and fucking.

Society has "advanced" to where it is by suppressing our natural instincts. In many contexts, that's great. For the most part, we've achieved a relative level of safety and stability, and I wouldn't want to live in a society where that isn't the case. But men are suppressing their instincts too much.

How many guys are literally scared to talk to a girl? What the fuck? Seriously? Why the fuck should a guy be afraid to talk to a girl? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe back in the tribal days, you'd get killed by some alpha tribe leader. But not today. There is nothing to be afraid of. And yet, how many guys have approach anxiety?

Men have suppressed their natural instincts too much. Learn to use your dick. Feminist brainwashing bullshit essentially tells men that they should not be having sex. What they're really doing is powertalking and telling betas to give up because their seed isn't worthy. So guys accept it. They don't improve. Married betas talk about how they "can't believe she puts up with me!" as they get fat and decay into a sea of watching sports, drinking, and depression. What a fucking joke.

Learn to listen to your instincts. Learn to listen to your dick. Raise your testosterone. Be horny. The alternative? Sit around in your fucking man cave and wait for a social circle opportunity, and hope and pray that you don't "fuck it up." Choice is yours.

[–]F_Dingo 15 points16 points  (7 children)

How many guys are literally scared to talk to a girl? What the fuck? Seriously? Why the fuck should a guy be afraid to talk to a girl? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe back in the tribal days, you'd get killed by some alpha tribe leader. But not today. There is nothing to be afraid of. And yet, how many guys have approach anxiety?

That fear stems from just not having any prior experience or even knowing what to do. I know this line of "dude, just approach and talk!" gets piped off on here, but a bunch of millennial guys just don't even know what to do or know where to start. I know this because I'm one of them, I'm fucking almost 23 years old and have had Z E R O interactions with females my age, ZERO. I could count the number of times on my hands that I had interaction with females in highschool (fucking pathetic I know).

At my job last week I finally worked up the nerve to approach this foreign girl, just to ask what country she was from (simple question, easy to do). I know this sounds pathetic, but the shit was tough for me to do because I just don't have any prior experience interacting with girls my age.

The good news is I approached another foreign girl at my job with this same question, have to start somewhere. Baby steps.

[–]bar_hopper_dc 16 points17 points  (0 children)

So true. Approaching girls is not easy when you start out. You overcame your fear, and now you have momentum. Good luck on your journey brother.

[–]indlife 7 points7 points [recovered]

I was somewhat like you growing up. I was the "good kid" and had a father that said nothing to me about girls and sex and a mother who was old school sex-negative morals even though she wasn't religious at all. My dad was Catholic and between their sex-negative bs, what I got from my mom, and me wanting to be the good kid and behave, I put all sexuality onto this huge taboo pedestal. I actually had a few middle tier girls show interest during high school, but I avoid them. However, I could hold any conversation with anyone if spoken too, but I was more introverted than not. I finally woke up at 20, but the damage was done. I could only ever marry someone (mid-20 marriage was still something people wanted in my area back in the 90s) who was like me: No sex during high school, minimal patners and crazy stuff during college. Out of the 15 ish women I dated in some form over a four and a half year period, only three could have been wife material. Not wanting to be alone I married the last girl I dated. She is anti-social and sometimes boring and won't have kids, but she does work, is loyal, and is overall a good life partner.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (21 children)

Millennial men may be having less sex but I'm in my 30's and I'm banging more 18-25 year old poon now than I did when I was 18-25.

I say bring on the sexodus. More for me.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 20 points21 points  (15 children)

I love it when 30 year olds post this. Lets me know my hard work WILL pay off.

[–]BowlOfCandy 11 points12 points  (1 child)

About to hit 29, recently crossed the six figure mark.

It's so easy now.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Same here. It gives me hope that as long as I just focus on my career and all that, I can reap the benefits in 5 years. Currently 25

[–]2awalt_cupcake 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The hard part is staying disciplined to the basics: your game routine, working out, and staying on top of your shit

[–]Darkone06 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It's the economy, stupid.

As someone who makes $55K a year which would be consider a higher level salary for my age, $55K a year ain't shit.

Money is severely limiting the younger generations.

[–]Luckyluke23 9 points10 points  (4 children)

In trying to create a world where women have everything

women already had everything YEARS ago. now they are just trying to take what men have.

edit: I don't know much about milo, other that what is poster here, though i am starting to warm to him. I did find i REALLY strange when i saw a video of him and he claimed to be gay. I found it strange, not because he is gay, but rather, i thought it would pander to the feminists because they are for the gays? or at least more gay rights? and he is fighting the white male ( or just male in general fight)

[–]NaughtyFred 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Gays are becoming tired of being used by women to further their cause.

As a gay guy he can't be attacked with the classic "you're just jealous because you can't get laid" shaming tactic that females use.

Also as a gay guy (and therefore a lover of men) maybe him and others like him hate seeing the shit men have to tolerate.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Feminism as an ideology will always be in motion. There is no doubt that western women are ruined in their hamster-wheel of "having it all" which is not realistic from a mathematical perspective. You cannot work 50 - 60 hours a week or more away from the home, in addition to being the perfect mom, and the perfect wife.

There mere fact that so many women have fallen for it, is a testament to the tendency of women to fall in love with what sounds emotionally right rather than empirically possible.

The fact is that feminism has broken both women and men. They have broken women in that in their quest to eradicate the masculine the women have themselves become masculine in their own way. Consistently conflating being a bitch with being bossy, stubborn with being strong and dependent on the state for being independent.

Feminism has broken men in that most boys are raised to hate masculine behavior, which is reinforced both in school and media narratives. The risk for males due to false rape charges, rigged justice systems and public shaming even when acquitted push them into their passive little beta corner where they wait for the women to finally finish riding Chad, so he can have the girl who has had 500 miles of Mr. Right.

[–]Momo_dollar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No disrespect to people on the RP, but maybe another one of the many reasons for this is because a lot of guys seem to view women as if they're a different species. Kinda like scientist observing dolphins and at first thinking they're the cutest, most friendliest things on earth, then slowly noticing hold up these dolphins occasionally do shitty things, hold up sometimes these dolphins are cruel and malicious , until finally all they see is only negativity from the dolphins and all they report ( from tinted lenses) are negative things that confirm their view that yes the dolphins are a bunch of cunts, and not the sweet Flipper they were led to believe.

I say this not based on RP itself, or older posts, but mostly the posts I've noticed over the past 8 months and the comments. People have lost the point, the point is women are psychologically different to men, so adapt how you deal with women and what you expect from women. The point is also women are not the princess' made out on TV and all that fairer sex shit is BS, women play just as dirty as men and often dirtier then average men. But ultimately most average (intelligence) women have a limited and predictable tool set of games and tricks that they can play.

What constantly going about 80/20, posting shit about girls cheating will achieve I have no clue. You can't get pussy if you resent or hate , you can get pussy or at the very least not get played by women if you know and understand how they work.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (15 children)

There's a biological answer also: Millennials have low testosterone. Our environment is flooded with chemicals that raise estrogen levels.


[–]TechnoRaptor 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If you score low T on blood tests don't they give you t replacement. My t is normal anyways

[–]beginner_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Only if you are very, very, very low. The general guideline is 350 ng/dl blood or less is low enough for TRT. This is the average level of 80-90 year old men. So if you are at 400 at 20, your pretty much fucked and have to get it illegally or not at all. Assuming your diet and life style is in check, as a fat fuck eating chips all day, first get your life style in order.

So it also a hen an egg question. Is T lower because there are more fat guys with bad habits? Or are more fat guys because T is lower? (low T = more prone to store fat than build muscle)

[–]zarus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is why Lao Tzu looked down on morality. It's not because he wanted people to walk around stabbing each other in the face for no reason, it's because he realized that morality would be abused endlessly and shut down the natural ebb and flow of human society. If you want an example, look at the legal system. As in every part of it.

[–]Hakametal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sorry to make things worse, but there is one thing everyone is forgetting in all of this; that feminism has made more females embrace their masculine energy, which is making alphas/chads almost impossible for women to settle down with. Women are losing touch of what it is to be feminine, and that is because of feminism born in the 1960s and hasn't gone away.

Woman have actually been conditioned to believe that betas are the ideal man. When they actually bump into a real alpha male, they don't know how to be submissive and it ends up being a disaster.

[–]aewiggin 33 points34 points  (24 children)

Total surveyed virgins: 6% -> 15% * Percentage increase: 150%

Surveyed female virgins: 2.3% -> 5.4% * Percentage increase: 135% * Proportion of total surveyed virgins: 38% -> 36%

Surveyed male virgins: 3.7% -> 9.6% * Percentage increase: 159% * Proportion of surveyed virgins: 62% -> 64%

Trying to claim that there is a misogynistic component to this is complete bullshit. If their figures are to be believed, the ratio of of female virgins to male virgins actually declined.

[–]_quote 14 points14 points [recovered]

I would agree that women are irreparably ruined by feminism. That is clear from the perspective of any guy who's not a 6'5 hyper alpha dude bro. The fact is, these millenial women are hoarding their good behavior and they are disrespectful bitches to any guy who is not Chad. Sorry Asian men, but as far as I'm concerned white men should just date Chinese girls and give white girls absolutely no attention. I literally kick girls out of my apartment parties who aren't being sweet and kind to me. I feel bad for genetically average guys who only date western women and never know how much better it could have been.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 24 points25 points  (3 children)

It is the guys getting less sex , the women are simply lying about it. Lets face facts, men 18-27 are more likely than ever to be living at home yet women are not. What does this mean? First of all nothing dries that pussy up faster than finding out you live with mommy and daddy, or just mommy because she divorce raped your father 10+ years ago. Unless you are Chad 3.0 you are not getting a lot of pussy and living in your moms basement. This also creates a situation where we ask how are women able to live outside the home in such greater numbers? While the corporate world is skewing towards women it is not skewing towards them that much. The answer is Millennial women are turning to 35+ year old men as sugar daddies, side guys or simply for LTR's. Even millennial women are pulling the plug on millennial men. No fault divorce and the acceptance of divorce rape in our culture has created a whole class of men who are 35-50 looking for a 2nd wife who is not a dried up old vapid cunt. They are just too short sighted to realize AWALT and feel going 10+ years younger will somehow improve the situation, all the while your post grad 22 year old woman is looking for someone to pay her credit card bills.

[–]aherne18 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Men are looking at the product of this cultural virus and saying "yeah, these people aren't worth fucking," and sticking to their porn and video games.

For me, the very idea they've been fucked by so many other men is like buying a car with a million miles for an outrageous price... The very qualities I like in women (such as shyness) have become as rare as liquid water on Mars.

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[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Let's see...

  • Increased urban sprawl poses logistical problems.
  • Increased early-life pressure to succeed means less mental energy for frivolous endeavors.
  • Porn, vidya, and social media gives easy access to some level of daily enjoyment. Face-to-face social skills can crumble because of this.
  • Stagnating wages exasperates the three previous factors.
  • Many boomer parents are fucking incompetent and have no idea how to harden their children up without damaging them.
  • And others...

[–]dudet23 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I would like to see stats with race involved. But of course they will never do this.

[–]Galbert123 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Frankly I'm surprised they even broke it out by sex. Calling men men and women women is starting to become too extreme.

[–]untitled_redditor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not a millenial, and I still have sex, but less often.

Also, Tinder, etc. help the best looking guys really cleanup. It's way better than back in the day because the girls don't know how much you're getting. And the ugly/normal dudes have a harder time because these good looking guys aren't ever leaving the market (getting in a relationship). At least that's how it's worked out for my ridiculously good looking younger brother. ...He easily gets more ass than a toilet seat. Not just from Tinder, but it's easy when he wants it.

[–]Gawernator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read this on LA times I think. Anyways, it seems painfully obvious what the real answer is. First off, the study was done with only 25,000 people.

Secondly, this is not less sex overall, it's the 80/20 rule becoming more and more a reality. It's that women are more selectively banging the hottest/highest SMV guys, so these guys are having more sex proportionate to the average male nowadays. It's not like decades past anymore.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It probably has a lot to do with obesity rates too.

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They blame various factors: they say we're too busy, they say it's because we're living at home, they say we're more aware of the dangers of STDs, and they even suggest that women are afraid of "slut shaming."

And none of 'em want to suggest that maybe, just maybe, baby-boomers fucked too much.

[–]Highly_Tingled 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Modern feminism is but a boil on the ass of modern western society.

It has to go .

[–]Steve_Wiener 5 points6 points  (0 children)

millennial men are having less sex


[–]Anderfail 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Did you people even read the damn study? Female sexual inactivity increased more than men did. The reason for the drop in sexual activity? Those without college degrees are much more likely to be virgins than those with college degrees whose rates didn't change.


We also examinedmoderators ofthe cohort effectsinthe APC analyses.3 The increase in adult sexual inactivity between the 1960s and 1990s cohortswaslarger and significant amongwomen (from 2.3to 5.4 %) but notamongmen (from 1.7to 1.9 %). Itwas nonexistent amongBlack Americans (2.6–2.6%, comparedto a significantjump from 1.6to 3.9 % amongWhites). Theincrease in sexual inactivity was significant only among those without a college education (jumping from 1.7 to 4.1 %) and was nonexistent among those who attended college (2.2–2.2 %). The trend waslargest and significantintheEast (2–4.5%), followed bythe West (1.7–2.7 %) andMidwest (2.1–3.2 %, not significant), and nonexistent in the South (2.4–2.4 %). The increase was slightly larger and significant amongthose who attend religious services (2.3–4.3 %) than among those who do not (1.5–3 %, not significant).Many ofthe differences between groupsin recent cohorts were also significant: For example, women were more likely to be sexuallyinactivecomparedtomen,WhitesmorethanBlacks, those who did not attend collegemorethanthose who did, andin the East more than in the West.

It's pretty obvious how this has happened since your options in life are severely limited if you don't have a degree nowadays.

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