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Don't get married. It's a trap.


submitted by johnbranflake

I'm a software developer fresh out of college 22-25. Working on a team of five people currently and the advice here of "don't get married in today's day and age" couldn't be more clearly illustrated than by my coworkers.

The team lead is a patriarch, he's married but is mid 50s and appears to wear the pants. He goes hunting and fishing with his buddies regularly and is a firm but rewarding leader. Clearly though 30 years ago was a vastly different time to get married.

Now we have the betas, beta number 1 is mid thirties with two kids. He's an amazingly talented developer and his time is constantly sought by many different teams. He doesn't take vacation time so that he can work more overtime to support his wife who get this, doesn't work, yet they still take one of their kids to daycare because "she can't handle it" yet this guy never says that he can't handle his gargantuan workload. he just works harder.

Betas 2 and 3 are identical. They are about 27, recently married. The other day I heard them complaining about their wives not letting them buy a gaming keyboard, and a new tv respectively. They probably make about 10 - 15k base more than me, yet they can't afford toys which I have because of their wives leeching their money. they also haven't taken a vacation all year, and work overtime almost every week.

I go on vacations all the time. I make more than enough money to save for a house and retirement and still have my toys without working overtime. All because I'm a healthy young and SINGLE man. I'm no Chad (yet) but I still can manage to date a few women at a time and I can tell that I am much happier than my overworked and stressed colleagues.

So if you want to work your ass off so that you can go home to the same complaining woman every day and do nothing fun, get married.

[–]ransay3277 456 points457 points  (74 children)

Good for you. One word of advice. When it comes to your personal life at work... Keep your mouth shut. Aside from your well grounded team lead, your coworkers could end up being your greatest backstabbers. Your life contradicts your coworkers life choices and that is a recipe for career sabotage. Put yourself in Beta 1's shoes. Your pumping and dumping different woman, have lots of nice gadgets and still have more cash than he has. He has a lazy ass wife and two kids. They bleed him dry and he probably comes home hoping his better half has caught a heart attack. He can't dump her lest he be taken to the cleaners at the divorce. Same goes for Beta 2 and 3. They are being bled dry with no end in sight. These guys are probably harboring some serious envy for you. That could screw your career in ways that you will never even know about till years later. "johnbranflake? Oh he's OK... Just doesn't seem too focused." (Of course hes not focused on spending every waking hour at the job. He has a life he loves. He doesn't have some size 16 bleeding him dry.) So keep your personal life separate, and when they ask you why your not married yet. Look solemnly at the floor and say I just haven't found the right one yet. But when I do, I'm going to snap her up big time.

[–]johnbranflake[S] 247 points248 points  (53 children)

Thanks for the tip. I made the mistake of bragging about buying a tv and a keyboard without having to get permission and they definitely were not amused.

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (11 children)

Think as you like but behave like others

That's law 38.

You don't want to imagine the pain I went through before internalizing at one.

[–]enkae7317 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Where is this from may I ask?

[–]BPasFuck 21 points22 points  (3 children)

48 laws of power, by Robert Greene.

It's not 100% red pill, but it offers a lot of insight into dysfunctional behaviors on the job and other places.

It's on kindle or whatever other e-reader you might have access to. Pick it up.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Most important law in the book? Literally just got it in the mail less than a few hours ago. Exited to potentially read it soon. Seems like the perfect means for dealing with my seedy, cliqey co-workers.

[–]BPasFuck 3 points4 points  (1 child)

38's a pretty big one for me.

Another good one is the one about not outshining the king.

I don't recommend trying to plow through it in a weekend or whatever. It's a bit dry, and not so terribly entertaining that way.

I did better just doing a law a day and then taking some time to think about it and how it might apply to past situations at work that had seemed off.

[–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

38 is the TRP model in a way. We keep it amonst ourselves or share with people we genuinrly care about lest we get ostracized by the mediocre masses.

Another excellent book is "The Rationale Male" by Rollo Tomasi. I definitely recommend if you haven't read. It's like a condensed book version of TRP philosophy.

[–]ransay3277 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out the 48 laws of power on the sidebar.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is from the 48 laws of power.

It is the quintessential guide to people interact both for manipulation and predictability. This is the guide to the how.

If you want a guide to the why you need to look into transactional analysis. I would recommend games people play by dr. eric burne.

Some of the concepts around homosexuality are outdated however given the time it was written as context it's understandable.

[–]hamsterenema 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading Games People Play is a horrifying awakening.

You come away from that book knowing that trp is a reality.

The matrix exists. And if you don't choose to accept that simple truth you will live and die bound in invisible chains.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's basic psychology. Envy insidiously turns normal, seemingly innocuous people into monsters. If someone who could seriously harm you becomes envious of you, you fucked up.

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[–]AmlanceJockey 228 points228 points [recovered]

I would reduce the family man's raise. Its not like he can quit.

[–]rave_n 100 points101 points  (7 children)

Beautiful. Shitlord of the day.

[–]TroglodyneSystems 55 points56 points  (6 children)

Nope. Just standard business tactics.

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[–]the_calibre_cat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The anarchist/communist/socialist subs are desperately trying to doxx everyone on this thread. :3

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's true, in management classes and practice it's not unheard of to rate risk of singles leaving a company for money and a married person being more "locked in". It may not be right but it happens for sure.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I'd split the raise unevenly. Like 20/80 or 25/75.

Why? Because the family man can't just quit but if you make his life miserable enough he'll start looking elsewhere or a job and he might find an awesome job that pays way more than you can afford (because now they have experience and training from your company) and it's easier and cheaper to retain the talent you have than to source new talent.

[–]Lsegundo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

family guy doesn't have time to interview for another job. He works alot of overtime to pay for daycare because his fat lazy wife can't handle two kids at once.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Everyone has a breaking point. Give someone enough motivation and they'll find a way to apply and interview for other jobs. Besides most jobs don't offer overtime because overtime is very expensive to employers.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Damn, that's something I never thought about.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 74 points75 points  (2 children)

This is true. Betas are weak bitches, and weak bitches are cowards who use authority figures/anonymous complaints as warfare against men they despise.

Anonymous beta snitches make me rage beyond belief. It's probably better to simply avoid the possibility (as much as you can). The temptation to smash one of them in the face is far too much for me, I fear.

Insecure pussies get smug sense of satisfaction by getting "revenge" back at men they don't like. I use quote marks because it's revenge by proxy, as bitches do.

I think we've heard enough horror stories here that we don't need one more (you!).

[–]tedcase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"nonymous beta snitches make me rage beyond belief."

Sadly, this culture is only made much much worse, and in fact rewarded by the Internet and social media.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude don't even get me started on that. I agree with you fully. Theres been so many people I've wanted nothing more than to beat their ass for being little bitches. Its shitty because if you tell them hey we can work this out they'll say "yea sure" and back stab. SO many whiny little weasels out there

[–]JeremyHall 20 points21 points  (3 children)

No really bro. Let them know as little as possible. Make a game of it. My high score was when I quit my last job and my direct supervisor didn't know until a week later.

Reverse notice, son!

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Really? You're better off getting a reputation for being professional and making a proper exit from a position than burning bridges by just not showing up for shifts for a week. Just having a decent references can help you get your next job more easily when people sing your praises.

Of course that's assuming the job was something more important than burger flipper minimum wage type job that treats you like shit.

[–]tldrtldrtldr 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Man, seriously write this down. This happens and happened to me. People live shitty lives. They will hate you. I learned this the hard way

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children)

Yeah, I mean you can talk about if you traveled somewhere, but don't go too much into specifics, unless it's something not too crazy, like "I saw a professional soccer game while in spain." Don't tell them about how you went to Thailand and got hookers, which I definitely want to do sometime in my life.

Especially with things you bought like the TV and keyboard.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 3 points4 points  (3 children)

If you're ever in Bangkok, skip Nana if you're looking for girls and head straight to Annie's. Trust me.

[–]trpthrowaway1852 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't know man, Nana has 3 levels of gogo and beer bars, seems like a pretty good to check it out. I'm looking forward to check it out when I get there in Oct.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that you can't walk around nana without literally being grabbed at and pulled at by the whores. And they charge more and offer less than at Annie's. As someone who has done both. If you want whores go to Annie's and skip Nana. I wouldn't even go inside Nana plaza to drink, they have some okay bars lining Nana street outside the plaza.

[–]trpthrowaway1852 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Go to Pattaya man, it's the Disneyland for adults.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I will look into that when the time comes for my Thailand trip. I have enough money to do a trip, just a matter of when I would be able to. God I want to go so bad. I will probably go there within the next few years. Not just for the hookers, but Thai food is delicious and I've never been there and want to check out the culture. I heard the country is cheap once you get there.

[–]trpthrowaway1852 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

For sure, Soi 6 in Pattaya is famous for the beer bars and short time girls. 1000 bahts short time, 300 bahts or so for barfine. 150 bahts for a beer. Check out Pattaya addicts' forum, I'm a member, great info there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn. Just checked and 1450 baht is about $42. That's freaking cheap and won't even get you an erotic massage in America. I did a Google search for that place and it said that the short time is 1 hour and the women are actually good looking or hot.

My balls would be completely drained in the first few days in Thailand, there would nothing left for the rest of that week. Heck, $42*7=$294 is cheaper than some ads I have seen for one hour in the US.

I would be jealous of people who occasionally travel there for business and get their flights reimbursed. They must have fun.

[–]trpthrowaway1852 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just buy Viagra or Cialis at the local pharmacies, lol. Read some of the trip reports and your blood pressure will go through the roof.

[–]McLarenX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just ask about their family, pretend to be super interested and compliment them every chance you get. Trust me on this, weak people need ego strokes.

[–]traversecity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey pal, bragging like this outside of your beer buddies is not a good choice. Don't wish to offend you, but, damn, that was stupid of you, grow up.

[–]Magnum256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya that's a bad idea. Consider that they're not in positions to take anything you say as motivation to improve or change because they really can't do anything about their situation without risking divorce rape. All you're going to do is make them openly or secretly hate you and attempt to ruin you.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they were men, they wouldn't need her permission to spend a couple hundred dollars. They let the bitch tell them what to do. Any bitch I hook up with who attempts to do that gets hard nexted. Same if she is planning to move in with me.

First wife tried to do that to me, tell me what I could and couldn't do or buy. She still bitches about it 15 years after the divorce and our kids are grown.

They think they have to make her happy, so they acquiesce to the cunt at home. Fuck yes they'll resent you for not having to ask permission to live your life. As if a girl knows better than you do how to manage money and your time. Keep that shit to yourself, you don't owe those manginas anything.

[–]shanghaiex_pat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

honestly you sound like a simple minded fool

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

this cannot be understated. Everyone needs to understand that your coworkers are not your friends, even if you think they are. I'm not saying it's impossible to make good friends at work, but it's usually not worth the risk. Your mindset should always be that everything you say can and will be repeated to others. People are fucking assholes in the workplace, no ifs, ands, and buts about it

[–]blackhawks93 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Muhahaha this is great advice. Play the victim and get sympathy for not finding a girl to marry haha.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your life contradicts your coworkers life choices

all too often, people make HUGE investments in shitty life choices (marriage, liberal arts degrees, generating mountains of debt), and when they finally have to face the consequences, they act like it's now such a large problem that it's insurmountable, and it's not worth climbing back out of the depths of hell.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

BIG ONE right here. This shit is valuable. And it doesn't have to be civilian companies either. It applies to any industry.

[–]pointguard2534 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just chiming in to say this is goddamn great advice, thank you.

[–]rossiFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely prime advice. OTOH... be ready to preach some redpill without letting them know what it is.

[–]muskratlover69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or you go for the hail Mary and tell him to divorce the lazy cunt. Fuck it dude.

[–]MilkManDanIsTheMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amen I'm a prime example....I'm 40's, NBM, successful engineer...bang girls 20 years younger than me, have two houses lots of toys, buy whatever I want and answer to no one, spin plates, well travelled etc. I treat everyone I work with well, but I'm hated because that 25 year old line manager with one kid has a gf older than mine. I can almost guarantee that he goes home and says "what gives him the right to tell me what to do? What's a degree worth anyway? How is it possible that "old man" is dating a 20 year old and she glows when she talks about him? How is it that I struggle with automation at work for hours and he just walks up to a robot and presses a few buttons and it starts working? How the fuck does he make four times what I do and why do I have to spend all my money on someone else's kid just so I can get some booty from a girl not as hot as his? That line manager started doing everything he can to sabotage me.

[–]jeezydasnowman 36 points37 points  (2 children)

The career beta is needed to drive society forward. Let go or be dragged.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 27 points27 points [recovered]

Which enables the enlightened man to have even more freedom to live his life as he pleases. Maybe we need to appreciate and support the worker bees a bit more.

[–]tio1w 70 points71 points  (16 children)

Beta 1 could have been me.

Dodged several bullets...

[–]Polaris382 51 points52 points  (2 children)

That whole "wife doesnt work, but they still have a kid in daycare" part just blows my mind. Fucking worthless.

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[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know people like that, but I never thought about it because of how normal kindergarten is here. Holy shit, no one should be allowed to do nothing, but waste money on kindergarten.

[–]johnbranflake[S] 94 points95 points  (3 children)

I'd be lost without this community.

[–]1v1mebruh 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Right there with you. Holy fuck was I the most helpless "waiting for my unicorn" piece of shit ever.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

now you figth them irl? nice username ;)

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I count mine in cents. Viola!

[–]fleeb-juice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm curious too because I work at a multi-billion dollar company and none of the top executives have a 7-figure salary (though some of them get 7 figures in bonuses).

[–]TestoclesBalls 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He probably meant 6 but if he did mean 7 I'm in the wrong career field lmao

[–]BPasFuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

High end business to business sales would be my guess.

Steep learning curve, lots of struggle getting there.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Summary: Read the manipulated man

Example that's expressed better in that book than anywhere

[–]RedPillFreedom 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Just finished it today.

That book should be a mandatory read it makes digesting TRP easy. Women are absolute vile creatures. I look at each man as a slave. We aren't even past the days of the Egyptian Pharaoh's. The women are now on top and men are slaves to their whims.

The biggest thing that gets me is "how the fuck can no one see it?!". Seriously, this community is the only safe haven for speaking and not being censored. Yeah, I know the whole take advantage of the people that are blind. But, it still amazes me that there are only 100,000 people on the planet that are aware of this.

Edit: Biggest Takeaways: easier to hold frame, women aren't even children, they are the baboons that throw shit at your car at the safari. No wonder it's called shit testing. I really thought TRP was becoming a little more aware and enlightened. But, this is ridiculous. It's actually the "RED PILL". We are actually in the Matrix. People refuse to acknowledge any of this.

[–]LukesLikeIt 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You're talking like they're evil and out to get you. It's just people living the lives they're taught to and for which they are emotionally and socially inclined, not inherently good but not bad either. The reason you should be mad is because you have been misled and beaten so far in the "game". Well now you know the score so use it to your advantage.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would be great if they were, then it's a conflict. Guys are good at that.

Instead, the world is largely indifferent, and doing what it does for it's own ends. This is why all that selfless behaviour turns you into a plow horse. People will take what you give them, not their fault you didn't put a price on yourself

[–]joeyjojosharknado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand the anger though. The table has been tilted way in their favour and that really sucks (particularly since they haven't earned it). But, yeah, it is what it is. Got to deal with the world as it is, not how you think it should be.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are more people out there wise to the game than just those on TRP.

I know an older guy who sets off every SJW type I know, because he advises young women to marry well instead of pursue a career. Used to be a real stud back in his day...

Of course he's only wise to this stuff after being twice divorced. So glad I don't have to learn the biggest lessons by doing.

[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how the fuck can no one see it

The Matrix dude......The Matrix.

[–]2renzy77 87 points88 points  (9 children)

They probably make about 10 - 15k base more than me, yet they can't afford toys which I have because of their wives leeching their money.

You know how they say married men make more money than their single counterparts?

Well, this is why: they have to in order to keep up with the bills.

They try to portray it as a "benefit" for men ("Married men make more money!). But really it's like saying that going into debt is a benefit, because now you'll be forced to work overtime to pay it off.

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[–]Thevoleman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Benefit to the feminist narrative for sure.

[–]Jigsus 3 points4 points  (4 children)

That pragerU video comes to mind

[–]GentSir 5 points6 points  (3 children)

[–]TheDon835 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus Christ, yea have kids & get married on your minimum wage job. Then go into the military & probably get cheated on constantly. Then you magically get a 6 figure salary. Fuck you dumbass. (the guy in the video btw)

[–]BPasFuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's why herbivore men are becoming such a thing in japan.

Those guys are doing the math and realizing they don't have to work near as hard, can stay single, and have a lot more money in their pockets.

[–]WASPandNOTsorry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you make more when you're married, but you keep less of it anyway. I don't have some shitty kid to feed and put through private school. Every penny that I make is for me.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This is sage advice.

The only thing more expensive than divorce is marriage.

[–][deleted] 104 points105 points  (16 children)

I got married prior to finding the red pill. My wife, however, spent the first 6 years of her life in Haiti, where the value of hard work and a non-cushioned life was learned.

She cooks, cleans, is amazing with the children, and likes to be submissive - just as her non-American parents taught her to be. She loves when I take control in decision making, and also in the bedroom.

Would it be fun to slut around with my newfound skills with the ladies I've gained via theredpill? Sure - absolutely. I'd love to try it. But, truth is, many American women are only good for a lay. As wives, many are just terrible, and are overflowing with emotional issues.

I'm aware that AWALT, and that I must stay on my game to prevent her from leaving me in the same way my mother left my father. But, for those of you out there who are married, there are definitely ways to make it work and ways to be happy within marriage.

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[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

It's very true - and also applies to many U.S. born males as well.

[–]cubicpolynomial3 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Hence the increased effemination of American boys -- so many of us act privileged instead of becoming men and making our lives.

[–]mrchitecture 9 points10 points  (2 children)

This^ AWALT But the cultural difference give them such a difference attitude that I would only consider marrying a foreign chick like my current gf. She works now and and wants to start her own business one day, and basically worships me. I know woman change after marriage but the amount of change shes capable of is different. She's never ridden the CC and before coming here has spent her whole life working hard to get good grades/scholarships her degree and work experience. I've seen the posts about Stop sucking Asian pussy and specifically in Korea the Kimchi woman phenomena, but one thing you have to understand is during high school after school ends they go to academy for 4 hours and then get home around late at around 9-10, so they really don't have as much time to fuck around like we do here, and on top of that even though they are modernizing underage sexual activity is very taboo.

[–]TightMouthLarry 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Asian women will fuck your shit up just as badly as western women.

[–]Polaris382 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Yep, my LTR is Haitian (dont remember how old she was when they immigrated I want to say 7 or 9) - a lot of very good qualities that you would be hard pressed to find in your typical American women.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Oh yeah? That's awesome! :)

I joined her church - I'm the only non-Haitian there and, as a white male, I stick right out lol. The congregation has been so good to me.

Are you learning Creole, as I'm working on?

[–]Polaris382 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No, but I may eventually...as much as I dislike trying to learn other languages, I feel like a simpleton only knowing one and obviously having the convenience of a native speaker would come in handy to change that.

Her mother goes to church something like 6 days a week and twice on Sunday, or something crazy like that. She lives in Connecticut and we live in Cali though. Not really my thing, but always good to have a network like you mentioned.

[–]PCS101 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You are a race traitor and should leave that Nigger immediately. Only blue bills race mix because they can't get white women.

Don't impregnate her, you will create a mutant mulatto child. The Niggers of Haiti are some of the most revolting creatures on the planet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thank you for your advice. I will take everything you said to heart, leave my wife immediately, and marry a white American woman instead that has no clue how to cook, clean, or raise kids without enduring a psychological meltdown.

I don't know how I ever made it through life without you, and I can't believe I was so blind and directionless with my decisions.

[–]PCS101 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Join the White Power movement, once we ban the Jews, Niggers, mud races etc and take back our government things will return to the way they were in the 50's.

Read this Book: https://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-Nature'sEternalReligion.pdf

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really appreciate that you're a Quake Live player, but you can screw off with all of this other talk.

[–]joeyjojosharknado 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes, saying AWALT is like saying fire is hot. True, but there are literal degrees of difference. When it comes to selfish, arrogant, entitled behaviour, U.S. women take the cake.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My brother married a woman who moved here from Kenya; she's great. His previous wife and girlfriends were all U.S. born and raised - and it was a total shit show.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 39 points40 points  (2 children)

"So if you want to work your ass off so that you can go home to the same complaining woman every day and do nothing fun, get married."

Don't forget that while you're at work all day, she's gargling Chad's swill.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Especially the beta boy whos wife is board all day while the little one is in daycare. You think she isn't gonna find the freetime to cheat?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One kid in daycare, the other in school.. Pretty obvious if you think about it

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[–]Banned_For_Opinion 109 points110 points  (141 children)

I've learned after realizing how horrible women are about 5 years ago, that being "alone" and slightly bummed here and there while still Fucking hot girls and not having to deal with the "girlfriend shit" is so much better than having a girlfriend who on paper is supposed to contribute and Fuck you and cook for you. It never happens that way. I have dreams of all men uniting and boycotting women all together so they finally take a Fucking hint and get their shit together and act like humans. But that's isn't possible because there will always be a beta to take care of them. Always....

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 101 points102 points  (36 children)

I gotta say. Not all women are horrible.

But it relies, heavily, heavily. Fuck it, it relies ENTIRELY on her father figure in her life. If the dad is a beta bitch or non-existent in her life, the girl is a wreck and I want nothing but her pussy.

My SO's father and I are best friends, and he's rp as fk. Raised his daughter pretty much without the mom's help, explains a lot.

But AWALT. The good father figure just makes things a lot easier for you because you don't have to be the daddy and the chad. I'm not looking forward to when he passes away and my relationship with her exponentially becomes more difficult but thankfully that's many years away.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 74 points75 points  (33 children)

Well it is fortunate that our society so heavily favors good fathers. Oh wait...

[–]2renzy77 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And fortunate that the rates of illegitimacy and single-motherhood are on the decline. Oh wait...

[–]Literallyoprah 50 points51 points  (31 children)

I mean, we have an entire generation of black fathers literally enslaved to the for-profit prison system. That worked out real well for the black community, right?


[–]ReadyToMolestYou 30 points31 points  (5 children)

The welfare system began destroying the nuclear family in America long before the drug war did. I'm sure they both contribute.

[–]traversecity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spot on. My wife, we're together for more than 20 years. Her father is a ww2 vet, 2nd armored division. 1st generation Irish American. Alpha as fuck he is. I've learned the difference when I've slipped into beta, damn, wife is certainly happier when I'm more the alpha and not the whiny little beta shit. If she were a today's american girl, I doubt our marriage would have lasted so long.

[–]sd4c 37 points38 points  (36 children)

Male birth control will help. It will slightly lower the SMV of all women, because we'll be able to bang whoever we want, without that horrible dread of "just what if the condom slips in this fatty". It will take away one of women's favorite traps, the "accidental" pregnancy- which leads to having to see their slowly aging face for the next 18 years.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (30 children)

I swear man. I am 25 and just praying that the Vaselgel comes out in a few years. I am considering a vasectomy in a few years, but vaselgel is supposed to be safer and all that. Plus it's supposed to be reversable. Although I don't want kids.

[–]sd4c 24 points25 points  (18 children)

Expect it to be politically blocked for a while because most voters are female. They know there are no accidental pregnancies. You can't slip into a dick. And if you think you might, women have 18 forms of birth control. If I thought a guy was going to fuck ME, I'd want spermicide, maybe napalm up there and I can't even get pregnant

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[–]Jigsus 29 points30 points  (4 children)

The same way they made paternity tests illegal in France

[–]trpthrowaway1852 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Wait, so some dumb cunt whom you pump and dump can sue your ass for child support? Without paternity test, how can men defend themselves in the court?

[–]Jigsus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's more complicated than that. The law is to protect married women who are unfaithful. More than 1 in 4 children in france are not biologically related to their official fathers so the state feared that these men would leave. The mothers and kids would then apply for welfare and cost the state a lot of money. So they outlawed paternity testing.

Yes this also means that you can get nailed for child support from a pump and dump if you don't have a good lawyer but this being france she's more likely to pursue state help for child support. Unmarried women usually get help from the state. If you are rich enough to be worth pursuing even if you're not married then you can afford a good lawyer that will drag you lawsuit through the courts of ther EU countries so you can get a paternity test done there. This is very complex but sometimes worth it.

[–]trpthrowaway1852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well fuck me sideways. I'm sort of glad I don't live in France, but in America it isn't looking too bright for single men either. Prostitution is the way to go.

[–]GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What?? How could they do that?

[–]redzorp 17 points18 points  (2 children)

It's not bullshit. Female activists lobby politicians to pass anti-male laws all the time. This sub has recorded innumerable examples over the years.

[–]forcevacum 12 points13 points  (1 child)

"It removes the burden of women taking a hormone changing drug". There. Simple, I've just spun the PR story into one that benefits women. We are men, we are resourceful, this is going to happen so stop worrying and go and donate to them.

[–]juliusstreicher 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"It removes the burden of women taking a hormone changing drug".

Top of the line logic. Need any more reasons why it will not come to pass???

[–]2popthatpill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

How do you have a vote to stop a product?

You don't need to. These things get blocked behind the scenes. Ever wonder why male contraceptive research never attracts much research or funding? No-one voted on that, either.

[–]sd4c 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Clinton's about to be elected Presidentette, and the FDA will belong to her and her alone

[–]frankgrimes5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She escaped prison but it's starting to look more like she end up in the nut house than the white house. She's having all kinds of health issues.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Maybe not voting, but lobbying, and so forth, I can see that as being an issue.

Don't forget the Hobby Lobby bullshit.

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[–]juliusstreicher 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You seem horribly confused; you seem to think that the wildly improbable doesn't happen every day. Are you still in HS? A Democrat?

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the grounda of feminism, so to speak. It's naive at this point in time, considering all the constant feminist/SJW attacks we see nearly every day, to not expect some backlash. Notice I said backlash, not necessarily stopping it.

I'm not saying its a definite event. But a definite possibility and highly likely? YES

I do love the idea of Vasalgel and believe we badly need it, however. I'm simply stating it won't come without more backlash from cucks and feminists.

[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[https://youtu.be/JymN5yu-K_o?t=6m18s](At 6:18).

[http://archive.is/rxhZK](The bigger issue behind the development of a contraceptive pill for men is that women risk losing control of conception.)

And women made several laws like VAWA and Duluth model, destroyed nuclear family, and tipped scales heavily in their balance. If they can shame young men at the height of patriarchy to die for their right to vote (google White Feather), they can ban one single drug easily.

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a medical product and must be approved. They'll argue that it's "unsafe" by an extremely-broadly construed definition of 'unsafe'.

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 3 points4 points  (8 children)

I heard that will never come out (in the states) becuase there is no money in it. Injections are like 12 bucks and they take no time, there is nothing big pharma can make off of it so they will do what they can to not allow it here. That's just what I've read, other than that the shit sounds amazing. I'm 30 now and 99% sure I don't want kids, I'm getting very close to a vasectomy to cut down on the games bitches have the option to play with me.

[–]forcevacum 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Bullshit. Viagra costs far less than a cent per pill to make. It's the research that costs money. If might just be 12 dollars but 200 in doctors fees excluding the product markup. With your rational vascectomies would never be performed but they are on a big scale. There is a market for it and it will be sold.

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"my rationale" I made it clear, twice, that it was in an article I READ and was not 100% on the specifics... Find me a better reason other than money and I'll hop on board...This is America after all, everything is about money...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i highly doubt that the final asking price will be 12 bucks. I'd eat my shoe if that's the case. Maybe with great insurance heavily subsidizing the cost, but trust me, the injections on their own will be a lot more than that

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. This drug and drugs like it have been around for decades. I guess we're just waiting for the right one, huh?

[–]nickjaa -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Sounds like you have issues with trusting women.

[–]thehonestdouchebag 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If only all those men that got baby trapped had the same issues. Their lives wouldn't be ruined.

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[–]PlusGoody 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Vasectomies are among the safest of all medical procedures. A typical mid-career urologist will have performed many thousands of them with a one or two moderately serious complications and a sub<1% rate of minor complications. Compare that to drugs which will badly fuck with your hormone levels it's not even close.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's good to hear. Plus, from what I have seen online, it only costs $1,000 or $2,000 at most and sometimes your insurance covers it. That kind of money to guarantee you never get a girl pregnant is definitely worth it for any guy like myself who doesn't want kids. I just want dogs.

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[–]forcevacum 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I one-night-stand girls a few notches below my SMV because I don't have to deal with the bullshit that comes with a HB9 and it's better than fapping myself to porn. Each to their own.

[–]sd4c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fucking a chubby chick bareback is way more fun than whacking off. Until 5s and 6s are an option for a guy, the only reason not to is because the chick could be lying about birth control. Vasegel would remove that concern

[–]TheOneTrueMagnet 3 points3 points [recovered]

How the fuck will male birth control lower female smv? It will be the same as it is now except you will have a slightly lower chance of getting raped by the child support system afterwords.

[–]sd4c 5 points6 points  (0 children)

By raising the utility of chubby women. It's not just the child support rape, it's the horror and embarrassment of being tied to an ugly/overweight woman for 20 years

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 20 points20 points [recovered]

Fuck you and cook for you

I never have sex deteriorate in my relationships... but... in the beginning stages I definitely notice them go out there way to help you, cook for you, do some stuff for you.

Then they get used to you, get entitled and all that shit stops. It's got nothing to do with my behaviour, women just grow entitled and comfortable the longer a relationship goes on. I imagine it gets much worse when you get married and leaving is no longer an option (unless you are cool for serious negative financial consequences).

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Marriage is an excuse for women to stop trying. You've won if you're a woman and you found someone to marry you. worst case scenario is you get divorced and paid off. Best case, the poor sap takes care of you your whole life as you bitch and complain as much as you want.

[–]BluestBlackBalls 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Familiarity breeds contempt. Goes both ways. Also sounds like you are shooting down her abundance mentality.

[–]raster_raster -1 points0 points  (1 child)

LOL man, I have something funny to mention. I've been married about 4 years and with wife for 9 now and while I do pay more rent, she does not get any of my paycheck to spend, etc. We do like to go to estate sales to buy stuff that we collect but that's about it (buy cheap stuff mostly). She even said if we get divorced I get to keep everything I had before we were married and majority of stuff after marriage because she isn't greedy at all. I manage my own money and she manages her own and I buy whatever I want, etc. We aren't rich either and plan on saving together when needed without having a joint account.

[–]etotheitauequalsone 14 points15 points  (4 children)

it's all a giant collective shit test, and we 'civilized' men are losing

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 21 points22 points  (1 child)

We are losing the shit test as a whole, but I still feel being an attractive male has the best payouts in the long run. Especially if you have a good work ethic and people skills. Women are just roadblocks along the way. I think the hard part for most men is figuring that out. Don't give everything you've worked for away because you have a warm body sleeping next to you that touches your dick every once in a while. Those are everywhere, go find another one. Now I'm just rambling, my apologies XD

[–]chance01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't apologize for what you say is true. If more men would dump, Next the chicks that treat them shitty, and/or don't add value, we would see some real positive female behavior changes.

[–]FeatherClad 6 points6 points [recovered]

So I thought after reading the red pill and seeing AWALT in real life that i'd just be single forever...

So I recently found a girl:

  • virgin, to the nth degree, never had a boyfriend, never had anyone see her naked, shes never even kissed a boy.

  • comes from a small traditional European town.

  • loves to cook, especially for me. Does so often. She said she likes to be rewarded by being fucked when she makes a good meal.

  • is the most submissive girl i've ever seen.

  • is athletic and healthy.

  • Apologizes profusely whenever she speaks over me accidentally and when she met my father she stayed quiet, listening to the man of the house.

  • Has nicely shaped and great feeling D sized breasts with a narrow waist and really nice hips.

  • is soft, caring, supportive and is comfortable with me not sharing anything that i'm feeling with her.

  • said she likes that I'm her emotional rock, the bulwark to her tempest

  • she has quoted before and recently Ralph Waldo Emerson after sex while laying together.

  • wants to be led by me.

  • is incredibly afraid of me leaving her since i've made it clear that if I get any shit whatsoever from her i'm fucking done.

  • has a great relationship with her father who's a traditional patriarch, is a teacher of economics in the small town they live in, he is transitioning into politics and leadership and management of the towns resources.

  • she is fine with me fucking other girls as long as I stay with her.

  • is not a feminist. I told her i'll never marry her because who I fuck/love is my business alone, not the governments or the churches (even though we're both christian.) She agrees and has pointed out that the modern western women she's seen while travelling are disgusting.

  • she respects and recognizes that men built modern society, she's fascinated by creations of men like large buildings or complex and gorgeous cars like american muscle cars or super fast drag cars or teslas. She skates with me.

Tell me... Unicorn?


[–]rossiFan 50 points51 points  (1 child)

When you're on your death bed and she's still by your side and she hadn't fucked anyone else or stabbed you in the back or raked your name through the mud can you, and only then can you, call her a unicorn or an outlier.

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 21 points22 points  (16 children)

I'm too busy not believing you to provide you with an answer ;-D

But seriously, good for you man. I still wouldn't wife her up though, just keep her FOREVER!!!!!!!

[–]FeatherClad 8 points8 points [recovered]

I wouldnt wife any woman up. ever. Not with how marriage is set up today. The only outcomes are failure and misery.

Yeah, I guess it is hard to believe some random fuck on the internet.

She was probably my best approach too, I was out skating, I saw her, I conquered.

I have a hard time believing a girl like this exists myself since I live somewhere where short haired, fat, disturbingly ugly women are not strange or a rare occasion. Where every girl has daddy issues. I just assumed that the women I've read about in fiction are that... fiction. Except the alpha men described in fiction do exist. Either way I'm really happy with her and her company is an incredible tool for replenishing my energy and calmness.

[–]Banned_For_Opinion 9 points10 points  (14 children)

The only stigma I have for women like this is I just assume they will get comfortable and used to the america female lifestyle and eventually just start acting like a typical female. That's also most likely my paranoia talking.

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[–]omarcoming16 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Some black comedian? Just like Steve Jobs was some tech guy, or Michael Jordan was some ball player...


[–]Banned_For_Opinion 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Welp, you won the lottery. Honestly I wouldn't use that as an example here because women like that don't actually exist lol.

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[–]Banned_For_Opinion 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well, first of all everybody is different and lives in different areas. People from different areas act different, as you can see by your gf as an example... Secondly, yes, for most men it is very difficult to find a woman like this. So I'll go ahead and congratulate you one more time because for some reason you seem to be getting offended.

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    [–]1ToSeeAndToHear -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    Yes, all that together is pretty rare.

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      [–]sd4c 6 points7 points  (8 children)

      Trust, but verify. If she's young enough to be a virgin, she hasn't been acculturated by western society's perverse materialism and female narcissism. There's still time for that to take place. AWALT. And also, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Can she prove she's never had a BF? Can she prove she's a virgin?

      Absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Wife her up, or knock her up, and you owe her money for life. Will she take it, is the question...

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        [–]sd4c 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        KEEP HER. Based on your description, I wouldn't even cheat. I'd spin plates but not fuck any of them.

        Your early grasp of red pill truths will serve you well in the years to come. You're way ahead of the game compared to 98% of even us here on TRP- but keep reading, even if things seem fine. Get The Married Man's Primer and use it, she's no unicorn, but she's definitely a horse that can fly

        [–]the99percent1 10 points11 points  (3 children)

        Hahaha... shes 16 and you are 17. Mate, get the fuck out of here.

        How long have you been dating? 1 week? Lol..

        Jesus christ shit yo.. this 17 year old found a virgin 16 year old to be his future wife. Jeez. Just wait till Chad wipes your face all over his cum stained floor after a good fuck with yo 16 year old gf.

        [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Sour grapes much? It may not happen often but the world is a big place. Give the kid advice instead of being shitty.

        [–]svensin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        ask yourself, if she let you do this all to her, why hasn't she let someone else do it before you? are you really james bond, or are you allowing yourself to be fooled.

        Either way, have fun

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        This sounds like some fantasy movie I watched last week.

        [–]rockymountainoysters 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        These kinds of posts about foreign women bring tears to my eyes. Western countries used to have women like this, but they're just gone now. You can search your whole life for a Western woman like this, and die alone.

        I would never have believed these women even exist. Until last year, when I started traveling outside the US.

        If you find a country where married men have the right to not get divorce raped, and where women act like this because of cultural dread game, then marrying isn't signing your own death warrant there.

        Don't marry in a feminized country. Don't bring your lovely foreign unicorn to a feminized country. If you ever want to marry, you need to leave your feminized country forever.

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          [–]rockymountainoysters 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Muslims who refuse to integrate are sent home and not pandered to.

          Sounds delightful. France?

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            [–]rockymountainoysters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Never been to Europe. Just heard about their irreligious ethic and bans on burqas in driver's license photos.

            [–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            virgin, to the nth degree

            loves to be rewarded for making a good meal by being fucked

            Yeah.. Idk bro.. Sounds like a great plate however

            [–]pstycr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            you forgot

            • is very extremely real

            Seriously dude you're a 16 year old boy banging a 17 year old chick whose father is a traditional patriarch who doesn't mind that you're fucking his daughter, she cooks you a big meal after to thank you, and has "nicely shaped and great feeling breasts"

            [–]PaulMurrayCbr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            She isn't a virgin if she's been having sex with you.

            Think about it.

            [–]648262 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Be a man and make your own decisions.

            [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Every boy of 17 thinks the same exact things about every girl of 16.

            Keep that in mind for some perspective. This temporary blighting of the man's mind is meant to happen, like the lights dimming in a movie theatre, and leaving you near blind but shaking with anticipation. So that you can focus on the romantic tragicomedy illusion projected on the screen for the two of you by who-knows what evil little midget upstairs in the machinery room. You have a lot to look forward to, if you use your red pill knowledge as a chef would use secret sauce. Don't spoil the deliciousness by explaining the ingredients to her overtly, you're not here to explain shit - you're here to enjoy the show.

            By all means enjoy it bro, just don't lean into the movie so much you lose your balance, losing yourself in it. It literally doesn't matter how great the girl is, you cannot afford to be all in invested on any given woman. Fight, always keep that 10% of yourself completely off-limits to her and any other woman in your life, so you can be just a little ironic about lovey dovey shit, including when it's you yourself who's love's best fool. Do you get what I'm saying? Seeing your own true love for this girl blossoming, and YET still being able to crack a crude joke about it, breaking through the "fifth wall" & reminding her you know it's just a movie, without skipping a beat. Just when she thought she TOTALLY had you...

            You keep that 10% of your soul or whatever off limits, if only just to tease her with it sweetly, and keep her interested for longer. Because it's not you keeping her, it's her keeping you. Briffault's law!

            [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Congrats on finding a 16 year old virgin, they are really hard to find. /s

            Now you made her comfortable with sex, expect her to crave other cocks because she won't settle with just yours. Unless you want to have a boring wife who does everything you do and has no personality. Your post is a joke, because who wants to be with a woman that has such a low self esteem and no self respect that she lets you fuck anyone else. LOL.

            [–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Wow are you ever set up for a fall.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            There will always be a beta to take care of them, sure. But their lives are totally miserable.

            [–]Crazee108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Just because you got hurt a few times by some women, doesn't mean all women are fucked. Some people actually like "the girlfriend shit".

            [–]DarylDixonK -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

            They are another species entirely. I literally hate and loathe each and every single one of them.

            [–]Banned_For_Opinion -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

            Even the coolest chicks on the planet are equal to your lamest dude friend at best.

            [–]DarylDixonK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            they are too shallow to be a friend to anyone bro!

            [–]HaagenDazs 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            It's not as black and white. When I was younger I always slept around and didn't get into many LTRs. Now, I'm married to this woman who happens to be the mother of my daughter.

            She is 25 but managed to finished her degree while pregnant, did her masters while taking care of our two year old, take care of the house and cook for me; I get home from the gym, food is ready. I get home from work, my daughter is always well taken care off with her hair and nails done.

            I'm lucky as hell, but she's also not American. I would feel bad if I did not marry a woman like this. I'm happy, when I'm unhappy it's me who's fucking up - or she's genuinely tired from all the work she had to do throughout the day, and doesn't want to make sex. But even then, she wakes up a bit earlier and wakes me up for sex.

            This is my first post here, I'm not a part of the community because I disagree with some of things. But I believe that there's always something you can take from every community. My advice is, don't get married to useless women who do nothing for you. Find that one who would die to make you happy, and is genuinely happy to have you around. Nothing makes me happier than having my two girls cheer every time I get home.. And it's genuine. I don't even think I deserve that. It's too good of a feeling.

            [–]dracolius 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            "Find that one who would die to make you happy, and is genuinely happy to have you around."

            ...and never, ever assume that she will stay that way indefinitely. It's too easy to end up on autopilot and lose the thread, or to let the things that attract her to you slip away.

            Appreciate what you have, but continually picture your life without her. Be at peace with the idea of being alone again in the future. If you don't do this, the odds are astronomically high that it will bite you in the ass.

            [–]Sketti-Os 20 points21 points  (8 children)

            Bro, keep at it. I'm a 25 year old software engineer. Moved around at my 2 and 5 year career marks, now making 101k/yr +10k bonus if I meet expectations.

            I bought a house this summer after renting a shitbox and saving money for two years. Renting two of the four rooms to other engineers who are ~30 years old, and their wives. I gave them a "deal" on rent (they still pay my mortgage entirely) if the unemployed wives do housework. The poor guys can't afford a house because their wives soak up their income. It's sad.

            But because I was smart about relationships, I have a mortgage free living situation, women who will clean my house, tons of pocket money, and nobody nagging me. Just be smart about it

            [–]lemurmort 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            That sounds like a hellacious living arrangement.

            San Francisco?

            [–]bluefit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            101k a year is not buying a house in SF.

            [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Dude, you are dialed. And if any of the wives are hot, may as well get some BJ's out of it when they want some attention from the King of the House. LOL. Tell the other engineers you'll knock some off the rent for weekly lays from their wives. LOL

            [–]RedPillFreedom 3 points4 points  (1 child)


            Encore. How did you set out on this master plan? How did you keep the prices secret? Plus, making the women clean for you. Man, this is great.

            [–]Sketti-Os 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The process weren't secret. The rooms were identical, and I wanted to make money off the scenario, but I make enough from work, no biggie.

            They both agreed to it separately, so when I introduced them, I told them they could split the housework as they see fit.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            What are their wives soaking up the money with? Genuinely curious

            [–]Sketti-Os 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Trinkets from high end retail stores, dresses, one bought a car on hubby's dime. One is a pothead, so she buys an eighth every week.

            [–]SunglassesRapist 13 points14 points  (15 children)

            Alright I'm a bit of youngster here (20) but serious question, are there any upsides to getting married?

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              [–]trippinallday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              That actually makes sense though, and I think those figures are a positive thing for non-married dudes. Think of it like this, the guys who aren't getting raises are instead taking risks and branch-swinging when they can find a better job. They might do worse in any single company compared to their coworkers, but when they're at Company B making 100,000$ while you're still at Company A moving from 65,000$ to 75,000$, who's the real winner?

              [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              That's false. Companies are constantly looking to save $ anywhere they can. In fact, I'd say family guys in this day and age are on the chopping block due to the fact that they have stayed with a company for so long. They are paid more, when the company can easily find a fresh newbie to do the same job for less thereby creating more profit. Its happening all over in middle management in healthcare.

              [–]penis_butter_n_jelly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              We have a biological imperative to reproduce. This evolutionary artifact governs most of our subconscious motivations. Very few men will be fulfilled in life without having successful offspring. The best way to achieve this remains--a stable pair bond with a female for no less than 16-24 years (depending on how many children and their offset). This doesn't have anything to do with legal marriage, but MGTOW or even perpetual pump-n-dump is only satisfying for a few small percentage of men for more than a few years. The majority of MGTOWs are just men that can't get laid and pretend they don't want to. The ideal situation remains, slay dumb sluts, and build yourself until you're established. You won't find a unicorn, but you can find an attractive, self-respecting woman that chooses keeps good company and knows her purpose is to raise a family. Sire some pups, maintain frame, and get the kids raised. It will be expensive. After that if you want to come out of retirement--so be it.

              [–]tenor11 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Also 20 and currently in a LTR. Are there any at all?

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              It can add a vast amount of value to your life if you choose the right person, emotionally and financially. In fact, research shows a strong correlation between healthy marriages and wealth. A lot of people on here have had bad marriages because they are just terrible judges of character. They then project that out to the world.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              More likely to have more access to your kids post divorce. You will be given more responsibility at work because it's an endorsement of maturity.

              [–]Acernab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              In a hypothetical "designing a fictional society to benefit men" way no. In real life yes. The problem is that marriage already exists and plenty of men are willing to do it.

              It's basically a no brainer for a woman. Their value drops heavily as they age. Their value drops heavily when they have kids. Their career suffers when they take time off to raise children. So any high value woman is going to demand marriage before having kids and be able to get it.

              Whether procreating with a high value woman is an upside is entirely subjective though. Many want that, some don't.

              [–]McLarenX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Might feel good for a year or two before you get absolutely fucked with no lube.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Never marry a poor girl. That's for sure

              [–]648262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It is a benefit when raising kids. Not marriage per se, but the nuclear family is supposedly healthy for kids.

              [–]phantasic79 6 points7 points  (12 children)

              What if my GF makes twice as much money as me? Should I marry her?

              [–]dracolius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              If I were to split up with the girl I'm currently with and we were married, she would owe me alimony. Can't imagine actually trying to get it, but the point is if we had to split our assets I would come out way ahead. Guys here might scoff or call me a loser for this, but I'm not convinced it's such a bad place to be.

              I wouldn't mind making more money. However, I got over materialism long ago, don't want to be anyone's bitch and don't want to waste a bunch of time trying to build a business that may or may not succeed (although if I came across something that was more of a sure thing I'd go for it). I simply have no interest in competing with much of the rest of humanity. I don't share the same values as most people, particularly in the West.

              Don't get married, though. Keep her a gf or plate as long as you like, but marriage is just a bad idea all around. Even if you think you might have found a better deal.

              [–]phantasic79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah...im not that interested in getting married but she wants to because AWALT but I'm jutabsay I ng if it came down to it in have nothing to lose. My lifestyle is pretty good currently so I don't think(you never know) it would change significantly and if it all.goes to shit we can just divorce and I don't risk losing half my stuff. Seems like a low risk life choice. Building a slumloard empire with her would be exponentially easier than my going at it alone. I'm happy but I think more mone may make me even happier.

              Funny think is I'm not really materialistic either. Not into jewelry or new cars. I guess I like the idea and security of knowing I don't have to worry about money. We all have enough problems in life.

              [–]johnbranflake[S] -1 points0 points  (9 children)

              The stay at home dad, go for it.

              [–]Florinator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Women despise their stay-at-home husbands. We have 2 families who are in this situation and their couple dynamics are pretty messed up. When you have the stay-at-home dad join a conversation with the wives about the best way to cook chicken, while the other husbands are starting a camp fire... it's pretty sad. One of them is not allowed to have a credit card or access to the bank account, the (working) wife leaves him cash for everything (grocery shopping, etc.) It boggles my mind. And the whole situation makes both of them miserable. The modern family where the traditional roles are reversed doesn't work, IMHO. I'd love to be proven wrong.

              [–]phantasic79 2 points3 points  (6 children)

              Nawww....no kids. We just work and party. It's pretty cool.. im trying to convince her to move into my bachelor pad so we can buy investment properties and become slumloards. The American dream baby.

              [–]reckful994 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              Depending on where you are at, I would tell you that managing investment properties has become very expensive because of the process of litigation. I don't know whether or not you are joking, but laws in many areas work heavily to the favor of renters. In SF for example, if you don't manage and upkeep the property, the tenant can make repairs and deduct the amount from the rent.

              [–]phantasic79 0 points1 point  (4 children)

              Im in the SF bay area and I've read and heard all the horror stories. But with any business there's risk and you have to work at it. I'm under no delusion that Its a walk in the park. Just wanting to expand my income sources and come a few steps closer to financial freedom.

              [–]reckful994 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              Pray that you never need to evict somebody because you will be looking at 10-20k in legal fees minimum. I seriously recommend that if you will buy income properties anywhere, do so in Marin County, Solano County, or Contra Costa County. The judge in Dept 501 in SF who handles unlawful detainer cases is... quite harsh on landlords.

              [–]phantasic79 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Geez....that sucks. I was thinkin of getting a 4plex out in central valley and maybe southbay. SF is so expensive and the laws are so skewed in renters favors that it is less a pealing for me. Thanks again for the reply.

              [–]reckful994 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              To add one final point, a friend of mine tried to run an investment property out of SF. Guy stopped paying rent entirely for two months and it still cost him about 7k-8k and about 40-45 days before he got the guy out.

              For example, you first have to serve a notice to pay rent or quit. Then you have to file an unlawful detainer ($240 filing fee and more in attorney fees if you don't know how to fill it out). Then its at least $60-$70 per tenant that needs to be served for the first 3-5 attempts. If you don't serve them (probably because they are avoiding service), its $20 for post and mail ex parte and at least another $50 per tenant served in this manner. Then you're waiting 15 days. If they answer on the 14th day, now you have to prepare your case and set it for trial. Usually the courts set the case 2-3 weeks out. If you win the trial and get judgment, you got $25 for the writ and $145 for Sheriff's Instructions (who will set the eviction for 2-3 weeks out).

              Sure you can theoretically include all these costs in judgment, and even put in attorney fee provision into the lease, but collecting the judgment is a whole new mess.

              [–]phantasic79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I got some advice from my previous boss. He owns like 100 units in SF. He said if a tenant is late he just says move out by the end of next month and ill forget about the last 2 months rent and won't report it to the credit bereaus. May not always work but I think sometimes it is easier to just bribe your way out of a potentially shitty situation and cut your losses while you're ahead. Makes perfect business sense to me. Not sure if it would have worked in your buddy's predicament but I think this may be an effective strategy in many cases. Another friend used this same strategy to get a shitty renter to do a clean move out of her rental house in Colorado.

              [–]1ozaku7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Marriage isn't a trap, they make themselves a doormat by being a spineless IT nerd who thinks has found the only woman on earth that wants to be with him and wants to keep her at all cost.

              Fuck, if a person allows itself to be treated like shit, it will happen. You have to set restrictions, like with a dog. No restrictions = you become their bitch. But that takes an entire subreddit to come to that conclusion. Its just full of butthurt nice guys who finally got the truth that just being nice won't get you pussy, but just by being a proud selfrespected person does.

              [–]CreamiestCream 22 points22 points [recovered]

              fresh out of college 22-25

              The dominant demographic of this sub and exactly what is wrong with it. Young, heavily feminized men with no life experience just starting to get woke to the fact they've been lied to their entire life. Reacting with misplaced anger and hilariously entertaining life pro tips.

              [–]103342 5 points6 points  (3 children)

              I don't see the anger in OP's post, and also don't see the "hilariously entertaining life pro tips".

              Would you mind sharing your wise "life experienced" views on marriage?

              [–]trippinallday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Isn't that demographic the one who needs it most though?

              [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Exactly this. They didn't demand respect and are upset that they didn't get it. Now they are butthurt and blame the women for their shortcoming. Same shit like with the entire Cock Carousel. It's not the women that ride the Cock Carousel that are the problem, but the men that have never been one of the horses to have been ridden on the CC. But of course it's okay for men to fuck 100 women and expect their girls to be pure virgins. If TRP would be a country, it would be called Saudi Arabia.

              [–]Timmy2kx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Been married almost a year. I'm on disability and my wife makes enough to support us both. Does she resent it? Sometimes but I keep the house clean and she stays off my back. Is it perfect? Not really but she married me for me because it damn sure wasn't for my money. She doesn't even want kids either. I pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming because women aren't supposed to be like this.

              [–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (38 children)

              Getting married these days is downright stupid. I don't care if you find a unicorn, don't do it. I'm 25 and will never get married. You basically lose all your leverage once you get married because she knows that she will pretty much win, if you guys get divorced. There really is no upside for men. Especially if you don't want kids.

              If you really want a companion, find some friends or get a dog. Also when you are married, you HAVE to buy that big house and all that. Honestly, I've been thinking about it and as a single man, IF I buy a house, I don't even need a big one. Just have a bedroom with enough closet space to store my clothes. Maybe another bedroom to have sex with chicks I bring home, so they can't steal my possessions. A decent living room with big TV, nice kitchen, laundry machines and a backyard with maybe a pool.

              [–]sd4c 21 points22 points  (4 children)

              Not just this. Don't cohabitate. Live with a woman long enough and you might as well be married

              [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

              Oh yeah, common marriage laws. I gotta make sure I'm not in one of those states. Plus, with cohabitating brings familiarity and you have to be on top of your shit all the time.

              [–]sh0ckley 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              There are cohabitation agreements but I'm not sure a woman would sign the one that says I can have her forcibly removed at any time.

              [–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              [–]LugerDog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Seven years here in Florida and you're fucked, common law BS.

              [–]Banned_For_Opinion 32 points33 points  (22 children)

              Marriage is just an excuse for women to act as cunty as possible and still get paid. At least when you're dating there is always a fear of you being able to just leave whenever you want. Marriage is literally allowing women to act like animals under legal contract. Fucking unreal if you sign that deal....

              [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (21 children)

              Exactly, hence the "nagging wife." If you have a woman you can't stand as a girlfriend. You dump her and worse case, she destroys some stuff. With a wife, I have heard too many stories of men not just paying alimony, but literally paying out of their freaking RETIREMENT account and social security, if the divorce happens. That's messed up.

              I don't care how much my parents want me to find a woman to settle down with and get married, not happening. Also, even if you don't get married, never get a joint bank account for ANYTHING. Even if it's just for bills. You never know what can happen. The woman can decide to just never contribute, then take that money.

              In life some risks (starting a business, moving somewhere new) are worth taking. Others like marriage are not worth taking. There isn't enough reward. Even if you lose the same amount of money starting a business as you do in a marriage/divorce, at least a business had a chance to make some money and even if you fail, you probably learn some important life skills from trying to run that business, that can benefit you moving forward. Failed marriage can pretty much destroy men, not just financially, but mentally and emotionally.

              [–]Banned_For_Opinion 27 points28 points  (15 children)

              My mother once said to me after one of these conversations with her, "Why don't you just give it a shot?". The look on my face was indescribable. This coming from the same woman whose brother no less than 5 years ago had his worthless, unemployed, lazy wife fuck the neighbor while he was out of town cuz she was basically bored. 3 kids and a house. he had to move into an apartment and pays her 3k a month that she spends on herself. I've never wanted to tell my mother to fuck off more in my entire life....

              [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (12 children)

              $3,000 a month? What the fuck? There are some people, including myself who while having enough money for food, rent, gym membership, fun, saving, etc., don't make $3,000 a month in TAKE HOME PAY AFTER TAXES. The fact she gets that just makes my blood boil.

              That's freaking robbery. I know a story like that. Don't know the specifics, but a friend of mine I knew from elementary school to high school used to live in a mansion with his brother and parents. At a certain point I think in high school, the parents get divorced and the father had to move into an apartment and probably pay her alimony.

              [–]Banned_For_Opinion 16 points17 points  (3 children)

              Yea man, 3 kids, 1k a kid. Worst part is in family court you're not even allowed to talk. the fact that she committed adultery and broke the vows of their marriage is null and void. Shes a woman and obviously the victim and you're the man and obviously the bread winner. Pay her X amount so she can keep living her lifestyle no matter what you have to do to achieve this. 401k, investments, taking on another job. Most people just end up losing their jobs and hating their lives while the women continue to do nothing, get paid, and complain about everything. And women wonder why less men are getting married and having sex.... It's a fucking mystery, right?!?! (he said with heavy sarcasm....)

              [–]user_none 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              Good 'ole no fault divorce at work. Not fault divorce is the biggest load of horse shit I've ever seen.

              [–]Banned_For_Opinion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Jokes on you, it's always the mans fault.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Honest question: America is a democracy, so why don't people who oppose this nonsense take it to the polls? Are there simply not enough people who oppose it?

              [–]0FO6 7 points8 points  (7 children)

              I am paying my ex $1300 a month, and I have the kids...

              Edit: It would have been a lot more too if she had gotten a lawyer during the proceedings, or disagreed with it during mediation. As in over $2k a month even with me having the kids. I can completely see how this guy got raked for $3k a month if he doesn't have the kids.

              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

              $1300 a month. Damn, that can get you two or more high class escorts/prostitutes each month. Heck, $1300 can get you a freaking nice vacation.

              I would rather set that $1300 on fire in a fireplace, than give it to an ex. At least the money on fire would keep me warm for a bit.

              [–]RavelsBolero 7 points8 points  (3 children)

              100 dollars will get you a beautiful european whore for half an hour here. Idk what's wrong with escorting in murka

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              America freaking sucks because they know that if prostitution were legal everywhere, the price of pussy would crater. Just like how when the Prohibition of alcohol happened, which I wasn't alive for and most people today weren't, alcohol was probably much more expensive, since it was not as easy to get. Now, a freaking homeless man can scrap together $10-$15 and get wasted on hard liquor

              Feminists talk about how women should be able to do what they want with their bodies, yet know if prostitution were legal, they would lose power. How many men would put up with half the shit American women give them, if they had plenty options to get laid for like $100 or even $200? And the sex prostitutes give them would probably be better than duty/starfish sex they get from their nagging wives or girlfriends give them. And they don't have to cater to the escort or prostitute after.

              Also with escorts/prostitutes, you don't have to worry about false rape accusations and get more secrecy. There is a reason rich, high status guys who can get women anywhere they go, use prostitutes.

              [–]RavelsBolero 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Prostitution is illegal here too. We have "escorting" which is where you pay for "time". Check out AdultWork, though it's uk based so their other regions are pretty much empty of girls. Surely you must have agencies in the states too?

              [–]0FO6 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              No joke. I figured at the end the divorce costed me nearly $80k over the period of about 3 years, if not slightly more. I would have happily done any number of other things... At least the $1300 a month will be done in Jan.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              $80K? That's just infuriating. I don't usually cry that much, but want to shed tears for you. You could have bought a sweet Mercedes, BMW or Lexus for around $40-50K and you would still have plenty money left over from that.

              Damn, even if you just started a business with that money and completely failed, at least you would have been able to say "I know what it's like to run a business" and there are many other lessons you can learn from that kind of hands on experience. Even tout yourself as a "former entrepreneur"

              [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              The self entitlement is truly astounding. Moms, sisters, plates...AWALT.

              Vag? Expect the world at your feet.

              [–]Banned_For_Opinion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              At this point in my life I can really only shake my head and move on. No use in expending energy getting frustrated about it, which I did (and still do sometimes) for a long time.

              [–]AlphaKenny-1 6 points7 points  (4 children)

              Also, even if you don't get married, never get a joint bank account for ANYTHING.

              Can attest to this. Had a joint account with a long term girlfriend just for saving money for vacations. Well shit didn't work out and we split. Then she drug her feet getting her name off the account. This account happened to be with the same bank that she had a car loan through. She missed a payment or 2 and they went straight for our joint account to get their money. This was 2 weeks before I went on a trip and needed that money. Luckily she was cool about it and paid me back quickly. It could've been a lot worse though. Still, don't do it

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              I know a friend of mine whose moving in with his girlfriend come September and they are actually getting a joint bank account just for bills. His current roommate, who I'm friends with as well told me this and we both thought it was such a bad idea. Like "what will happen if they break up?" "Will she take the money and run?" She seems like a nice person, but people can get nasty during breakups.

              Plus, with the advent of Venmo and PayPal for sending people money, it's not necessary having a joint bank account for splitting bills. I've lived with roommates with the past and know how to split money on bills like rent, utilities, cable, etc. It's not that hard.

              [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              You can just let one person pay the bills and the other send half of the bill amount to the one person's account. How hard is that? Not.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Exactly. I mean maybe in the old days before technology blew up and all that, it was hard, but not now. I started living off campus and paying rent in 2011 and it was not hard to transfer money to people after bills are paid. It's even easier now with Venmo and PayPal. Heck, you can even just write a check and mobile deposit it if paypal and venmo are too hard for you.

              I will NEVER get a joint bank account. If I'm in a relationship and my girlfriend wants to get a joint bank account, I will refuse and if she doesn't like that, then the relationship will be over or she will deal with it. The only one I have ever had was one my mom set up for me before I went to college to transfer money to me, but I recently closed those accounts.

              [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              OK, not one to lecture my betters, usually-BUT, you should have taken your name off the account. You waited for her to do...what, exactly???

              When disassociating yourself from women, financially, you hide YOUR assets, you don't wait for her to take responsibility for protecting yours.

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                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                It's not a matter of who I'm bringing home now, but don't for one second believe that if you are a rich or at least have a decent amount of money and you bring a woman home, she might not take something. I feel like I have heard of that type of shit happening.

                [–]johnbranflake[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Agreed. I have a dog to fill my loneliness with and he helps with the ladies too. Also If you buy a house as a single man you can easily rent the spare rooms and cover your mortgage. Good luck doing that as a married man.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Plus, even if you don't rent the spare rooms, you can easily get a $150,000 home with monthly payments for less than many people pay for rent and those homes will definitely have more than one bedroom. Check this chart out and this is taking into account no downpayment on the house. If you have money saved up and can pay a downpayment and even pay in less years, you can save more money in the long run. Heck, I might even see if I can buy a home for cheaper than that, and renovate it, so it's insanely sweet and cool looking on the inside.

                Oh yeah, chicks love dogs. Well everybody does, unless you don't have a heart.


                [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Plus, why would anyone want to marry a rotting carcass. Go to a fucking nursing home and see how ugly the women become. Why do you want one of those following you around in your old age if it does work out? Its lose - lose.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                For me I want a small house. In fact if I ever can make enough to afford a small piece of property up in the mountains and be able to live and work, I would be happy with a little A-Frame house and spend the rest of my life in peace.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yeah, I live in an apartment in the city with one roommate right now and I'm doing just fine. It's not hard to live without a crazy amount of space, as long as you don't have a crazy amount of stuff. I probably have some clothesline like t shirts I don't even wear, that I can get rid of.

                I'm try to learn to live with less, while also furthering my career and making more money. I think I'm at that point where I value experiences more than material stuff, as long as I have enough clothes and necessities.

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                I miss figures like that patriarch that's leading your team. Those were good days.

                [–][deleted]  (1 child)


                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  I am growing up to become one. It does take a while though because of my generation (millennials), but the reward will be bigger and better than the older patriarchs'.

                  [–]PlanB_pedofile 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                  Ah yes I heard you can save a ton on car insurance by switching to single.

                  Great news is the older you get, so does your dating pool of single moms. Then by the time you are in your late 40s, you can look towards Thailand for a mail order bride to settle down with or choose to bachelor till death. Either way is fine.

                  Being single forever is great. I too have a manager who's approaching 47, unmarried. His life consists of a book club, trivia nights at a bar, and gambling at the casino. He can buy and save whatever he wants. Has the latest game consoles and definitely looks the part of playing them instead of going to racket bal. I don't know when was the last time he had a girlfriend.

                  Meanwhile other people this age is taking their son to football, teaching their kid to drive, bragging about their honor student. We also have the mess of people who are going through their midlife crisis with divorce, affairs, partying.

                  Listen young buck. Enjoy yourself, but also know damn well that everyone is of a different breed. All men bitch about their wives because that's women in general. You bitch about them too through various short term relationships. 1 woman for 20 years or 40 women in 20 years is really no different. You're just putting up with 40 different piles of shit instead of just one.

                  In the end, to each their own. But betas like to complain than take control. A married alpha dgaf what he spends the family budget on because he's in command of the ship. As long as he's keeping the boat afloat, the wife is merely a passenger.

                  [–]EscortSportage 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                  I love it when these fat, betas i work with ask me "so when are you getting married" Likes its an automatic thing. Im like im not, never doing that.

                  Then i go tell me about your divorce with wide #1. and tell me about your amazing life with wife #2. you didnt learn the first time.

                  I will lift weights, invest money, build the racecar of my dreams, buy a motorcycle, travel, drink beer and bourbon, sleep with any woman i want, and watch my money grow.

                  Enjoy working for a woman and some dumb kids for the rest of your life!

                  Why is Vasalgel not in the US yet!?!?

                  [–]Blimey85 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                  Just one problem with your plan... race car of your dreams AND watch your money grow?!?! Yea, don't think that's how it works. You start off with a plan and a budget and then that goes right out the window and you spend and spend and spend. But, in defense of the car, you have an amazing car and a helluva lot of fun working on it and spending those dollars. Unless of course you mean buying something stock and leaving it as such. But I'm guessing you're going to build something fancy like what is seen on Street Outlaws. At least thats what I would do if I had skipped marriage and kids.

                  [–]EscortSportage 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Why so negative? PMA man,

                  positive mental attitude

                  Go buy the book "the automatic millionaire" its a good start.

                  Im getting richer and richer every month, and slowly tinkering with the car, and its not a drag car. Its a time attack/autox/trackday car.

                  [–]Blimey85 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Was a joke about how expensive race cars get as you continue to sink money into it. You start with a simple plan, then you add nitrous or turbos or whatever. It's never evening as you always want to be faster. Wasn't intended to be negative.

                  [–]EscortSportage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Oh I completely agree lol, Its never ending! I just replaced the oil pump,oil pickup, oil pan, clutch, gaskets..snowballed into a project!

                  [–]wtfawdNoWeddingShoes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                  Because you can only grow your money to a point that you can afford a nice car and/or hobbies and that's it? Or just let it sit there? (In which case it would continue to grow, and a few years later you sure as hell could do both.) Your mindset is just wrong.

                  [–]blackierobinsun2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I would never marry an American woman, most selfish btches on this planet

                  [–]trippinallday 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  How does someone get so whipped that they can't buy a fucking keyboard without their wives permission??? Like even an expensive "gaming" keyboard would be 100-200$ if you chose to go with the most expensive one you could find. Just a quick search on Amazon shows most of them are 20-40$, customizable LEDs and all.

                  The married dream, right boys?

                  [–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  There's most likely more to the story that Op doesn't know about.

                  [–]TheRedStoic 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                  Well yeah man. Marriage is a bad deal. Business ways, socially, time wise, pretty much in every way unless you're in politics.

                  Yup. All checks out here. Nice fr.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  not necessarily. If your wife works and you get a prenup, you should be safe from most of the pitfalls, and you'll get a tax break. Only thing to watch out for is make sure she's still on her birth control (or get a vasectomy).

                  I know what subreddit I'm in and what the narrative usually is, but OP is describing some weak-minded losers.

                  [–]youthoughtyouknewme 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  and you'll get a tax break

                  Many couples see their taxes increase. All depends on how much they earn and which brackets they fall in.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  That is a an exceptionally rare exception, I'm sure.

                  [–]youthoughtyouknewme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  More than you would think - most dual-income couples, especially if they make about the same amount, actually pay more.

                  ...in general, in the current U.S. system, single-income married couples usually benefit from filing as a married couple because of income splitting, while dual-income married couples are often penalized in comparison

                  More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty

                  [–]backdoorbum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  only the dead know peace from this evil

                  [–]Johndoesmith67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  nevergettingmarried #nomarriagemillenial

                  [–]Temperfuelmma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Congratulations, you make more than your coworkers that make more than you.

                  [–]nuesuh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  work more overtime to support his wife who get this, doesn't work,

                  Hey, taking care of childre...

                  yet they still take one of their kids to daycare because "she can't handle it"


                  [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  We'll see how you fare in a few years. The logic behind getting married is ironclad:

                  • Marriage is good for women.

                  • Men want to do good for / and by women.

                  • So you man up and get married.

                  [–]OrpheusV 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  I've told all my younger cousins and siblings to not get married. While it's (currently) working for me, there's no guarantee it'll even last, and that's irritating. A shame, since I didn't know any better.

                  So, for the record, here's what I have going for it:

                  • Both of us married as Mormons. I pretty much outright left the church (ex-communicated) after getting married since they're the worst institution for men, and they're effectively a church founded by a fraud. Wife no longer is an active member to begin with, and this was about 6 years ago.
                  • Both of us married young, 23 and 21 respectively.
                  • She had maybe three partners total, I had four. She says one, but that's probably off by two.
                  • I was sterilized before marriage, so she fully went into this marriage knowing that children were completely off the table. This eliminates the risk of child support should things go pear-shaped. We do not live in a community property state either.

                  What sucks is you can't cleanly get away if the relationship goes utterly pear-shaped. At least if you aren't married you can just ghost her or tell her outright that you're done with her. We still have stupid fights over crap that could be resolved better, and it's not a healthy thing. At least you could drop her ass if she gives you a shitty attitude.

                  Do not get married, at least in this climate, unless things change for the better to make marriage matters more reasonable. At least I can invoke the excuse that I didn't honestly know better. Those of you who are new, and here now, have no fucking excuse. You're on your own if you decide to not heed this.

                  There are days I do wonder exactly what the fuck I got married for. This isn't supposed to be a thing, but it is. There are days I'd rather be completely alone and content.

                  [–]1ozaku7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  I don't see how this is the cause of marriage. Its his own fault for not demanding some respect and more effort from his wife. I bet if your co-workers would have a dog that it would turn out to be an asshole that doesn't respect or listens to his master.

                  Grow a spine, and especially IT is filled with wimps that are little all tolerating bitches that make alot of money and get married to golddiggers.

                  TRP portrays that most women suck, but most of the men just lack a spine and let themselves be played by cunts. Only to start hating women.

                  Women need to be trained like a dog. Hence they are called bitches. Dogs reflect their master. They give their master the respect they deserve.

                  [–]SnarkyFella 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  25 single, going to europe next week. Debt free, no stress, working out and eating right to fill out. Life is god damn good being a single man.

                  [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Amen, Brotha. And it gets better in your 30's. Turning 32 in a few weeks, and I'm peaking every fucking year. Every year gets better. Just stay single, fuck when good opportunities come up, and keep changing for the better. Life should be a dynamic process if one expects a fruitful run in this world.

                  [–]amircampbell 3 points4 points  (0 children)


                  I'm married, have been for 5 years to a wonderful woman, and I have a few perspectives from my own experience. And keep in mind that I can only anser based on the information you've given based on your own perspective of their situations. :

                  1. How trappish marriage feels is dependant on the person experiencing it and with whom they're experiencing it. Speaking from experience, if you're a healthy guy/girl and you have a healthy sex drive, you're going to be attracted to who aren't your spouse, especially if they're frigging HOT. I'm a personal trainer and I come across beautiful women all the time and being a man, I look. Here's the thing though: My wife gives me ass WHENEVER I want (within reason) so whenever I've been around hot women all day, I just go home and make my wife beg for mercy.

                  Another thing: having more hobbies ouside of work to drain off their excess energy will help. Lots of times when a man feels like he's in a marriage that makes him feel trapped, it not necessarily because his wife is monster, but that he hasn't yet started pursuing things that make him feel alive and passionate. At the end of the day, NOBODY, not even a wife or husband can make a person feel fulfilled. That comes from knowing thyself, Man, and thus knowing the universe and it's Gods.

                  1. I have a son ( 1 year) and kids are EXPENSIVE AF dude. One 2.5 pound tub of formula costs 39.99 ( we give my son organic, only the best son!!!). Now, I'm not sure if you're coworkers have children, but if they do, this could explain why they don't money for extra vacations. Can you imagine spending 100 dollars every WEEK on something that you don't see and can't directly benefit from? It doens't how much more money they make than you, because half that shit is gone before they even see. They're most likely paying for health insurance too, keep in mind.

                  Oh yeah, childbirthing tends to [email protected]#$ with women's hormones big time. I've been there, after my wife gave birth to our son, her sex drive diminshed. It's partly because their brain becomes rewired and their priority now is taking care of your kid. All of her mental and physical resources get streamlined and directed down that channel. I can totally see how "beta #2"'s wife could handle that yet. She's being honest and she knows herself. Better they go to daycare than she find herself super stressed out and then trying to fix it by boiling her fucking kids like lobsters.

                  It could be that their wives are investment-minded and don't see the long term value in getting a new tv and gaming board. I personally don't see it either; your buddies are young and strong and smart, so maybe they can work even harder and get the money for their toys. It sounds like their wives just want to make sure the bills are paid first. I personally would take the money for the gaming board + television and start building a nest egg or invest in a app or business. Videogames are drugs, they force you to keep completing higher and higher levels and in return your body will release dopamine. And they wasted mad time.

                  1. People complain for a reason. There are 2 sides to every story.

                  2. There are plenty of men out there that work their [email protected]#$$% asses of and their BILLIONAIRES, AND THEY HAVE WIVES AND mad kids i.e. Mark Cuban, Tony robbins. They can do it and so can everybody else. I train guys and girls that are making six figures (or more) and work their asses off ( 50, 60 hours PLUS) AND still manage to take a vacation every couple of months. Like I said in point one, maybe your friends shouls stop pouring all of their vital life force into a videogame that gives short term pleasure and direct all that damn effor into building an Empire.

                  3. People change. That includes husbands and wives. Maybe your friends had a view of marriage that was all rosey and filled with visions of their wives sucking them off anytime they wanted, only to experience what it's like for real and now they don't like it. It all boils down to KNOW WHAT THE [email protected]#@# YOU WANT AND WHY BEFORE YOU CHASE IT. PERIOD. Some men, like yourself, are fine living life without being "tied down", and that's fine.

                  4. The grass is always greener on the other side. I know dudes that have some HOT FUCKING WIVES and they don't even touch them. Why? Because of the Law of Familiarity. Even the hottest chick can become old news to you. It could be that or some men just get bored faster, maybe due to a lack the ability to focus on what they love about their spouses and remember what qualities enticed them to marry them.

                  Summing it up and looking at it as rationally as possible at 4am in the morning, I don't have any sympathy for your friends whatsoever. They are hardworking, and that's what men do, we work hard. One of the rewards for the hard work we do is that we get that powerful "superman aura" and we can walk around proud with swinging dicks. If you care about your coworkers, tell 'em to sell the video games and go focus on becoming the next Microsoft or Apple.



                  [–]automatepmp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Nothing but praise for this board, but you can get married and still be you. I make a good salary and buy what I want. My money goes in my bank account and I make her account for what she needs bill wise. she is much happier with this arrangement because it takes the stress off of her (me asking where is the money!). I have three daughters and you had to be red pill with them as much as your wife, but applied in the right way - it makes life better for everyone and you get to still be your own man.

                  [–]EvrythingISayIsRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Hah, about the toys comment...

                  I see similar situations at my work too. One of my coworkers told me about how 'he and his wife decided on a new car', yet he still drives the old beater because 'she needed it more'. Translation: His wife picked out a car and convinced him to buy it for her, while he is still stuck with the old POS.

                  [–]Igetitnow2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Good post. I'm in a similar boat, the guy in the office next to me is getting divorce raped hard. It's difficult to watch. He spent more than my house cost on lawyers so far, since he has to pay for hers too and she can have only the best. So he's paying both the best lawyers in town to fight it out over his money.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  What in the fuck. He is mandated to pay for HER lawyer?

                  [–]identifiedlogo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  To be honest. This awareness is something you keep to yourself. you don't announce it. Good for you for being aware, but do not compare you life to other and think you are better than them because you have a TV and an Xbox. Some people are genuinely happy with a nagging wife and kids running around. You are on your own lane, stay on your lane, do not provide advice or suggestion unless it is asked of you earnestly, even then be very careful what you say. Also there are different levels to being an alpha, someone like DanBrazillian may call you a weak beta for your 9-5 gig. Some jacked up dude may think of you a weak beta for looking skinny, Work on yourself only, do not compare yourself to others and think you are better, that is typical beta approval leaching behavior.

                  [–]Mikand1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  This 100%. I have always been very red pill leaning, but since swallowing the red pill I see this all the time. Everyone is right in their own mind. You just have to focus on you and nobody else.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Your post only shows that marriage is a trap for men who are unprepared and non-assertive, as your boss still seems like he is a man who is living a full life. The lesson here is, if you're going to get married, (a) choose carefully and (b) be the man in the marriage.

                  [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  to support his wife who get this, doesn't work, yet they still take one of their kids to daycare because "she can't handle it" yet this guy never says that he can't handle his gargantuan workload. he just works harder.

                  Some people just can't comprehend that the possibility exist to tell your bitch to f,- off.

                  [–]Mildsoss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Wife doesn't work and still taking kids to daycare? Wow.

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                    [–]648262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    He might suck at the administration part. Specialists often are.

                    [–]nickjaa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    This evidence to not get married seems pretty anecdotal.

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                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                      Last time I checked, you can still get pregnant without a marriage license. Now if you want sole custody, you're looking at some hefty fees.

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                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Well, I'm just some guy who doesn't know much, but I'm guessing maybe 10k for donor eggs, upwards of 50k to borrow a surrogate womb, all the legal paperwork showing there is no legal mother... I'm not sure. Then the labs that would fertilize the egg would need their cut... Someone else would be better suited to answer your question, but I'm guessing around the 100k range after all is said and done.

                        [–]vicious_armbar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        [–]648262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Sperm bank is probably the most effective way.

                        There was a guy who started one, and when people donated their sperm there he replaced it with his own. He fathered a lot of kids that way.

                        [–]Vargurr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        "Wanting" as in you wanting or someone else? Because I don't "want" it, not at the price I'd have to pay.

                        [–]vicious_armbar -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                        [–]Benny757 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        True this. At work, given feminist favoritism, always be Machiavellian and fly under the radar as much as necessary.

                        Some here have advised be blue pill as hell at Corp America work. Not sure about that but as you exercise your frame, guard it closely. All is a game of chess between God, the Devil and you. And you can't not play.

                        [–]Ulyssers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Nice last part there, chess god and the devil.

                        [–]nogoodliar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I have to do a ton of nice shit for my wife to make up for it, and we've only been married for 2 years (together 6), but she cooks every night and brings me coffee every morning. It's only a trap if you let it be a trap.

                        [–]machismoman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        How do you propose to rear children and leave your legacy to the world? Does that cross your mind? If you want children, marriage is the best avenue.

                        [–]Fatboy214 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I agree with everything you say. In fact the betas will be paying alimony and child support and still working there asses off within 5 year's.

                        The thing you can't understand cause i never did was how much your own kids mean to you and how good that is. And i suffered at the family courts more than most. I want to cry seeing my exwife get more of my money than me. I only see my daughter 6 days a month. The injustice is fucking real. But i wouldn't trade my kid for nothing.

                        I can't blame any man who doesn't want to suffer that agony.

                        [–]rp_phoenix 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        Off topic, but what's it like being a software developer. How are the hours, work environment, salary, etc.?

                        [–]Easih 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        this vary quite abit depending on sector/skill/company; personality I like it and salary is pretty much how skilled you are+ready jump around(Im a programmer in Finance).

                        [–]aditas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Well done chap. I will be so proud when my own son dispenses advice like that.

                        [–]victor_knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        If you're interested in reproduction, though, temporary marriage may be your last or only resort.

                        [–]HangisLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        99 times out of 100, this is what will happen to you if you marry American women. Theyve pushed the idea that marriage is just an extended dating scenario and they do not value submissiveness. If there are 2 people in a household, one of them has to be dominant and it follows that the one that is more logical should be in charge. Bring this idea up to American women and you will be called a sexist bigot.

                        It's disappointing. There's a good deal of conflation going on between being in love with your partner and loving your partner. The former is based on your emotions which are fleeting and NEVER permanent. The latter is a form of a social contract. Nowadays, when American girls divorce men, it is because the feeling of being in love is gone and they can get incentivized by the courts for breaking it up. You would be very stupid to marry American girls that base their love lives on shows like Pretty Little Liars. You're setting yourself up for failure every single time.

                        With that said, finding a submissive girl from Africa, Latin America or South Asia increases the odds of a successful marriage but once they come to the Western world, they will be influenced by their peers and if their foundation of submissiveness and feminine qualities was simply a facade, they will be exposed for the hamsters they are.

                        [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Hmm. Also, don't set yourself on fire. Oh, and don't stick your hand under the lawn mower when its running. Oh, and don't bungee jump without the bungee.

                        [–]MayDayBayBay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I totally agree. Being married doesn't have the benefits is used to. Now, being married is like buying a house...it doesn't make sense anymore. Buying a house used to be a way to show wealth and now it's the opposite. You should only buy a house if you're going to make real money by what?! Flipping it. Making real life investments have changed. I'm a female and I've been married. Key words guys--Have been. My now BF and I have been together almost 4x longer than my previous marriage. It's so engrained in us to get a great job, get married and have kids AND in that order. I fight the urge to want to get married, bc I'm fighting against something that I was raised to do, when I'm perfectly happy where we're at. The day I want to get hitched more than I don't, I'll reconsider, but I'm happy having options and not being stuck or having the fear that it'll change our dynamic. We live together, we work and it works. The "American Dream" has changed and once people see that, they'll be better for it. Screw the white picket fence. My feet in white sands sounds a hell of a lot better.

                        [–]tomega 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        It seems to me that a better advice in this case would be don't be beta.

                        [–]AceBenedict23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This really shows the harsh reality of many men that get married....Completely trapped. Lives are over

                        [–]HiGuysiamkewl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        " The other day I heard them complaining about their wives not letting them buy a gaming keyboard, and a new tv respectively."

                        Growing up my mom and dad would argue alot about how he disciplined me and my brothers. When it got particularly bad I would watch my mom threaten my dad with divorce, me and my brothers would cry. After agreeing with my mother, she would suddenly retract the divorce talk and switch to crying to garner sympathy. One of these times my father Took me outside to get away from my mother/siblings. He got down on his knee looked me in my eyes and said "dont worry me and your mother aren't getting a divorce, but _____ Don't you ever let a woman control you.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Yeah, lets all not have kids and have humans go extinct. Good idea.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        SO if the men actually coded a spine, do you think that their marriage would be better?

                        All I see are men who are not asserting themselves.

                        [–]shanghaiex_pat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        sounds like marriage isn't the problem, but their beta behavior is to blame. also, you're still young and inexperienced. your anecdotal "evidence" based on a couple betas is also biased. Software engineering men never got much attention while in school, and naturally they would allow themselves to fall into this "trap". Venture out to other industries and I guarantee you things are different.

                        [–]HillaryLovesSeizures 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This remind me of a friend on mine who works 60+ hrs a week at a shitty tech job, while his wife stays at home fingering herself silly. She hasn't worked since high school. He's 5 years older than me, but he looks way older than he should. I feel bad for the guy because he's stuck. He'll work this soul crushing job for another 10 -15 years than probably get laid off.

                        [–]PinecrestBrook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        These coworkers of yours married the wrong women. I'm a woman, married for 9 years and have heard these stories from coworkers time and time again. I don't have kids, so that is probably why money hasn't been an issue since we both work. We do have separate bank accounts, but split the bills. We don't ask each other's permission to buy anything primary because we trust each other's judgment. Either these coworkers of yours overlooked a few things early on or their wives true colors didn't come out until later. Life is too short to ruin a marriage over petty stuff like this. Just eventually marry the right girl and you'll be fine.

                        [–]OfficerDarrenWilson -1 points0 points  (10 children)

                        The actual lesson is don't be a beta bitch (as your married coworkers are).

                        The difference between a man and a boy is that a man cares about the future. You can choose to be a child forever, satisfying your senses. And then die, and be forgotten, and have your essence utterly annihilated, because you never chose to touch the future in any way, unlike your ancestors for the last 10,000 years.

                        It's fine to be a physically mature child. It's fine to let feminist lawmakers and cultural Marxists so thoroughly subvert your biological directive that you abandon it.

                        But don't expect any respect, whatsoever.

                        If you haven't learned how to live with a woman and not let her dominate and walk all over you, and you don't think it's even possible to lead a traditional family and assume a traditional masculine role, you've learned nothing from 'the red pill.' What are you even doing here?

                        [–]johnbranflake[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                        My ancestors are dead, feel nothing and not touching the future lmao. Don't tell me you are religious ?

                        [–]OfficerDarrenWilson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        They did touch the future.

                        You exist.

                        You are the product of your last 10,000 generations of ancestors deciding, in a continuous chain without a single break, to have children and pass on who they were.

                        You seem to have adopted a nihilistic attitude. What matters in life? What is the point of your life? What is the purpose? Why are you here? Just to slag thots and go on vacations, and then die, to be annihilated in every conceivable way? Is that it? Nothing more?

                        [–]p00pey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        this is some grade A garbage right here. Spewed from a high horse no less. WHat are you even doing here tough guy?

                        [–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                        It's not her that will dominate you. She can't. It's the lawyers, the judge, the Sheriff's dept that will evict you and take away your kids when she finds a better Chad than you. It's the police who respond when she decides to trump up domestic violence charges out of thin air. SWAT is who dominates you, not a woman

                        [–]OfficerDarrenWilson 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        All of this will only happen if she chooses to make it happen, is the point.

                        I'm saying that if she wants to destroy you more than she wants your presence, you are doing something wrong. Both in choosing her and in how your frame in the relationship.

                        [–]BluestBlackBalls 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        OP is saying don't let it get that far. FRANE for fuck's sake

                        [–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        Frame repels her from falling out of love with you. Preventing her from cheating with your lesser or your equal. It doesn't prevent her from fucking your superior. Have all the FRAME you want, if Denzel wants your woman, she's his

                        [–]BluestBlackBalls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Frame allows for the projection of 'Alpha' traits.

                        When engrained and damn near second nature, your Frame become Alpha.

                        You don't both with her shit tests — I prefer extrapolating her statements into absurdity, paired with a high pitched dumbed down tone as an exercise of making fun of her, purely out of jest — and instead view them as distractions of sort.

                        Don't let your Frame buckle out of fear of being cucked. She is basically using dread game. If you do get cucked, bounce and do better next time.

                        [–]calvinshobbs 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        Having lurked here for a little while, I'm awakening to the parts of me that are beta and those that are alpha. I'm more alpha than beta, but I see that your beta#1 in the post sounds a lot like me...two kids and working my ass off. Wife was a stay at home mom for most of my kids lifes (twins), and when she worked it was as a model or at a small business office as a receptionist (don't want a hard job like I have because she can't deal with that level of stress!). I'm busting my ass, having recently broke the $100k per year mark, and I don't see any of that come back as vacation or fun or new electronics.... I'm seeing where my life needs to change, and posts like this help me see what was and could have been. FML.

                        [–]Beegsi_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        You need to be in charge of your money. And set a reasonable monthly budget for your wife or your money will go down the drain. I don't know about you but many men give the management of their finances to their wives, and this causes the wife to not respect the husband.

                        [–]calvinshobbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Good advice. I will resolve this deficiency this weekend. Thank you!

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                          [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

                          "Software developer" I think I've located the problem.

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                            [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                            Contrast their situation with the problems that construction workers have with women. Oh wait, construction workers don't have problems with women.

                            [–]Blimey85 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            Having a girl that won't let you buy shit you really don't need isn't always a bad thing. I have a girl who lets me buy whatever the fuck I want and sometimes I have... control issues. Case in point: wanted to get a pair of kayaks... started looking. Hmm... these $500 kayaks aren't bad. Lets check some reviews. Oh, these $1,000 kayaks have this and this and oh, look at these Hobie Kayaks for $2400... and if we got a tandem we could move up to a Pro Angler for just $5300. So, now I'm about to buy a $5K kayak and drop more $ on a trailer and pfd's and God knows what else.

                            I damn sure don't need a kayak but I want one so fuck it. But I swear, after this purchase I'm gonna curtail things until I buy a house. Granted I said that when I dropped several grand on mountain bikes but damn it those are awesome bikes!

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