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Men's RightsGermany taking a big step against Cuckoldry (self.TheRedPill)

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tldr: Women in Germany could be legally forced to reveal to their husbands if their children are the product of an affair with another man if new legislation goes through.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/29/germany-to-force-women-to-disclose-if-children-are-from-an-affai/

The controversial measure will force women to divulge acts of adultery or infidelity during a relationship.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37215684

The measure would apply when men who had supported a child, believing that they were the father, sought financial redress in court.

Germany has already been taking similar male paternity rights steps recently. In April, Germany’s courts ruled that children cannot force men they suspect of being their biological fathers to undergo a DNA test. They can only oblige their legal fathers to undergo testing.

There wasnt much response on Twitter to this news. Most were positive including women. Though there were a few of these tweets, all from women:

@BBCWorld @BBCNews wow, if he already formed a long relationship w/the child.He basically adopted the child.Not fair2 the child to back out.

I suggest shorting any stocks you have in the Daytime Talk-Show industry.


[–]Rodear256 points257 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Not fair to the child to back out? wtf?! Usual 'think of the children' crap. I know why not put the shame instead on the bitches who deliberately let their husbands support and grow to love a child that was not his. NOT the same as a childless couple knowingly adopting a child at all. No man should ever be forced to support a child that is not his; if a man wishes to because he cannot help but love a child he thought was his -fair enough but NEVER forced by the state to do so.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now let's see if that applies when a dad wants to be in a child's life.

No, it doesn't? The wheel keeps spinning.

[–]stoicismexpress52 points53 points  (88 children) | Copy Link

Wait...how the fuck is this not already a thing?

[–]CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK[S] 153 points154 points  (76 children) | Copy Link

In France its still illegal to do a paternity test to determine if your child is actually yours.

https://www.ibdna.com/paternity-testing-ban-upheld-in-france/

French psychologists suggest that fatherhood is determined by society not by biology

Biological paternity is a social construct!!

[–]Rodear53 points54 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Given their tendency towards adultery this does not surprise me.

[–]Jaereth 25 points25 points [recovered] | Copy Link

French psychologists suggest that fatherhood is determined by society not by biology

Or in other words: It's better you don't know when you are raising Chandler's kids so you will be a better father to them!

Funny society doesn't seem to determine maternity the same way. Like you accidentally knock up some slag, why wouldn't the kids just get to come live with you and you're current girl because hey, that's their real mother right?

[–]razormachine8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny society doesn't seem to determine maternity the same way. Like you accidentally knock up some slag, why wouldn't the kids just get to come live with you and you're current girl because hey, that's their real mother right?

Woman hamster how it isn't really important who the parent (father) is. However when hospital fucks up and couples get children who are not their own they are utterly shocked.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Note to self- go knock up married women in France.. The perfect reproduction strategy

[–]QDodge4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Germany has a similar law. You need both parents' consent to do a paternity test. Which honestly renders this proposed law useless, because women could simply deny that they cucked their husbands and there would be no way to prove that they did.

[–]razormachine32 points33 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

French psychologists suggest that fatherhood is determined by society not by biology.

Psychology is a pseudo-science. While it would be hard for a complete moron to hide among scientific community, they do seem to prosper in pseudo-scientific community.

[–]wanderer77919 points20 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

It is one of those fields where you can't prove yourself wrong or right with experiments unlike physics.

A great example of what happens when bullshitters venture off into hard science can be found in the history of Indiana state government. Their legislature once tried to pass a law that would establish that pi be valued at 3.2. They actually invited a science professor to meet the author of the bill, who replied that he already knew enough crazy people.

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[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right I know next to nothing about psychology. I think I have always been turned off by them saying things like fatherhood is not a matter of biology. You don't see governments coming up with nonsense policies and supporting them with opinions from physicists.

[–]WASPandNOTsorry-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/study-delivers-bleak-verdict-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results

[–]razormachine4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I didn't know about that, but it's a great example.

Let's just imagine for a second that one of those bullshiters had passed the whole pi=3.2. Every engineer out there is obligated to calculate the Pi as 3.2. From that point on the industry steadily goes to shit, a lot of parts are faulty, a lot of engineers try to avoid circular shapes as much as possible, some engineers cheat and still use the 3.16... pi for their calculations, but when they risk being labeled as fascists for doing that...

That's exactly what's happening in society right now. Bullshiters had managed to pass on their B.S. as facts and truths. And our society steadily goes to shit.

[–]AcrossHallowedGround14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

3.14159... If you use 3.16 your stuff still goes to shit.

[–]razormachine-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

As a kid I memorized pi as 3.16... and even after all those years sometimes I pull the wrong number -.-

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

o_o; ITS 3.14. NOT 3.16.

You've got to be mistaken...I mean, no educator is going to claim that PI is 3.16. With 3.14 you are rounding down slightly, but for most math this is probably fine. Personally, I use 3.1415, but I'm sure others go even further.

[–]Sabremesh7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I use 3.1415, but I'm sure others go even further.

Actually, for four places of decimals, rounding up to 3.1416 would be more accurate.

[–]Rawrination2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

which is probably where the person got 3.16 in his memory from.

[–]razormachine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As I had said I had memorized the wrong number. Your communication skills are almost as crappy as my math.

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[–]LordThunderbolt6 points7 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Psychology is not a pseudo science. Just because your mind is unable to wrap itself around the unseen it doesn't make the unseen unreal. Psychology is a very powerful discipline in the right hands. It borderline transcends the physical. Don't go around saying what you just said because any intelligent person hearing u say that will automatically quality you as an elite level moron who wouldn't be given anything else but tools to work land on a farm.

[–]Admiringcone10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It borderline transcends the physical.

Ease up turbo. It doesn't transcend anything. It's a physical study of mental conditions.

[–]LordThunderbolt-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're very ignorant to the nature and power of psychology. Psychology borderline transcends the physical. You don't know what you're tying to talk about. It's about much much much more than mental conditions.

[–]Admiringcone3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. You are a supercilious twat. I think you are very ignorant to the nature and power of those around you to see through your "I R Smarts" routine.

[–]frenchbloke1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Psychology is more an art than a science. It's actually very difficult to do rigorous scientific testing in psychology. This isn't anyone's fault. It's just the nature of the subject.

Psychology is a very powerful discipline in the right hands.

Yes, "in the right hands" psychology can be a very effective discipline, but this actually makes the discipline very dependent on the practitioner in question, which in my opinion, also reinforces the fact that it is more of an art than an actual science.

[–]razormachine4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Mater is composed of small unicorns that are having an orgy. Prove me wrong.

Gender is a social construct. Prove me wrong.

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[–]razormachine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really really tiny horny unicorns.

[–]Admiringcone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well you raised those points..so the onus is kind of on you to prove those..

[–]razormachine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I agree, I should prove those.

[–]bluedrygrass4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Psychology is a very powerful discipline tool of control in the right hands.

Psychology isn't any different from astrology, in how it's used to manipulate people in believing things that are convenient to other people

[–]probpoopin4 points5 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Microbiologist here. Psychology is what people study when they suck at math. Quackery at it's finest.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

The amount of biologists I know that believe in homeopathy and body energymakesme think that you guys raise idiots too

[–]probpoopin0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Uhh, I don't know a single biologist that believes in homeopathic medicine. Maybe some redditors believe it, and then try to say they have a degree in biology, which they don't actually have. Biology is a science like any other. Everything is based on evidence and observation. There is no evidence that homeopathic meds work at all beyond placebo. I know that in my school the humanities people had to get a few lab credits. They would take bio 101 and then say they were studying biology to other people. In reality, they took a single course to satisfy the need for lab credits, then go back to psychology, sociology, or gender studies thinking they have a grasp on biology as a whole. Biology doesn't get really technical until you start doing major cell bio and micro bio. Shit gets real and it is based very heavily on mathematics, physics, and chem. My 200+ level biology was pretty much indistinguishable from organic chemistry and physics of living things. Like, how molecules react inside of cells, KREB cycle, vit C cycle anx all that. It gets technical very quick after 101.

Tldr, those "biologists" are god damned liars. They probably don't have a degree.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

That's pretty much to read for the assumption that I "know" these biologists from reddit. I know 2 biologists (1 of them molecular biologists) who told me to put some homeopathic remedy shit on my scar (from an operation). The thing is, both work in biomedical research as managers. They are not even bad bosses but they somehow believe in this shit. Still, they both have masters degrees and one has a PhD. What's even the point in thinking that biologists don't have these people, if a fucking huge amount of MDs think this stuff works, which isn't that far of from biology anyway. Life Sciences are trenched with idiots. Psychology isn't the only science which seems to be a meeting point for esoteric cunts who pander to nice sounding "hypothese".

[–]probpoopin0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

I personally haven't seen them. Most of my professors have openly ridiculed those types of medicine as non evidence based. There are however plenty of natural medicines that work. What do you call natural medicine that works? Medicine. One that comes to mind is senna extract or senna tea for constipation. Homeopathy is complete BS though and again, while studying and briefly working in that field, never came across people with those views. I'm sure they are out there. I would still say that it isn't science though and almost every university in existence is going to teach based on evidence.

I suppose every group, even intellectual circles, have radical ideas that occasionally float around. There are mathematicians who believe numerology. Plenty of physicists who have other thoughts on the big bang and the universe than mainstream. However, I still think these types of individuals are a tiny minority in those fields. Honestly, I can't think of any branch of science that doesn't have a few quacks associated with it. I just don't think it speaks to the vast majority of that population.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I never fought against that. I didn't want to say that homeopathy or these things are science. I just wanted to say, that while it is understandable that psychology has a bad rep because of much nonsense, these idiots are within other not so hard sciences (as physics for example) also. I studied psychology, i got my master, I hate it for being a big shithole of circular reasoning, non-testable hypotheses and PC-bs but this is more a problem of the people within it as for the science itself. It can be a science but it's easy for quackery. I still worked to get some expertise in stats... makes more sense to me than most of the psycho-babble.

[–]Gawernator0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This doesn't sound like my AP psychology class at all.....

[–]ven5-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They meant psychology, the institution, not psychology, as in the intricacies of the human mind. Psychologists have proven so many times that they're incapable of conducting a proper study. It's either bullshit statistical analysis of 100-1000 person groups or a professor's philosophical take on someone else's statistical study. I.E. Do you see a physicist throwing 1000 balls by hand at a bunch of cars of different makes to determine how much force it takes to bend a piece of metal? These crappy standards for studies are what makes it hard to prove, and a pseudo science. As with any pseudo science, it's not always wrong, but it mostly is.

[–]LordThunderbolt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, they meant psych as a whole. Because of their limited limited understanding of the nature of the science. When people think psych, they see therapy, and little bullshit like that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Step (1) move to France. Step (2) stay single and fuck around. Step (3) Profit.

Or it would be, if France wasn't basically the new fucking Nigeria / Jamaica.

[–]Osoto_Gari0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read that if the father denies the child is his the chick is shit out of luck

[–]newName5434560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No wonder they are getting overrun by Muslims with weak crap like that. And in a way that's an improvement.

[–]ODERINT-DUM-METUANT-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully they abolish that disgusting law.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope I live long enough to see the long-term effects of this law. In theory, their society will degrade because the average man has less incentive to produce, knowing his children may not be his.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is that the father can send in samples to a lab and know completly for sure for himself.

The bullshit is where that evidence is inadmissable in court because you didn't get the mothers permission.

I would go on a fucking family-court shooting spree if that happened to me. Starting with my wife.

[–]getRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a lie that have perpetuated successfully. Society won't melt because a few men know that kid isn't his. If anything this gives a peace and certainty, which is brings possitive effects.

[–]Sunshine12e 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The laws were old, before paternity testing was even a possibility. In the old days, the husband was considered the father no matter what.

[–]2Overkillengine29 points30 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

In the old days, the husband was allowed to retaliate against cuckoldry too.

[–]SpeakerToRedditors 20 points20 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Exactly, in the old days you could raise the little bastard to the age of 5 then force it to work at the glass bottle company or sell it off to slavery in the coal mines. Getting a return on your investment.

[–]razormachine5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You can still fully legally indoctrinate the kid into the blue pill, taught the kid about the nazi war crimes and plant deep guilt and self hate for it. Learn the kid about fluid genders and offer to pay for the hormonal therapy.

Extra points, you get to brag how liberal and open minded you are :)

[–]loddfavne6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

After reading what you wrote, I'm starting to think that kids were better off in the coal-mines than in modern society.

[–]getRedPill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly the same I thought

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Laws against cheating while married should also be a thing. Coming in contact with a third party's bodily fluids without your consent is a form of rape.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Wait wait wait. This is a proposal. "...It will require parliamentary approval".

[–]Yashugan0035 points36 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

yes, we all know it won't be passed into law. Too many complications. And you know the state will have to either pick up the tab for the child, OR spend effort finding the actual father OR force the father (now demoted to being the child's guardian) through administrative process. This will cost heaps of money and slow down the legal system even more. Hence, it won't be passed.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not to mention the nightmare of "forcing a woman" to disclose her sexual history, something most men know is something women go to their graves with.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Add a grandfather clause.

Now it acts as a deterrent for future infidelity.

[–]r3v3r11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol bullshit this law is introduced by the great coalition who have the most seats by far. It will be passed.

Also this law has been introduced after the courts ordered the laws to be modifued. So this is not unexpected and something has to change anyway

[–]Horus_Krishna_21 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

they have angela merkel in charge. she ain't gonna sign this into law.

[–]chasethecake0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If she doesn't she'll take a lot of flak at a critical moment for her reputation (immigrant policy), I don't think she will decline unless it's some sort of political suicide goodbye she's planning.

[–]getRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She could get away with it. Too much blue pill mentality, that's why she is there first place

[–]loddfavne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Womens feelings will be the main argument, but the motive to discard this proposal will be that it makes it harder to for the state to grab mens money. You are so right.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What part of the title or the post suggests otherwise?

[–]Horus_Krishna_25 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

says taking a big step . . . but wake me when they actually do, article says and I quote "Women in Germany could be forced to reveal the names of the biological fathers of their children under a proposed new law.

The controversial measure will force women to divulge acts of adultery or infidelity during a relationship.

It has already been dubbed the “Cuckoo Kids’ Law” by the German press, after the German phrase "

[–]10xdada76 points77 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women love their children, yet aren't above using them as human shields when it comes to "what's best for me."

[–]2awalt_cupcake53 points54 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

As the son of an abusive mother, I truly don't believe women love anything but feelings. They sure do know how to act like it though. They are professional actors.

[–]bluedrygrass22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

100% support to that. Women don't love childs, they love that childs give them: 1- social validation and attention 2- feelings, of any kind, lots of 'em 3- make them feel like they have power over someone's life 4-make them feel special and unique

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This right here. The truth.

[–]bbmc7gm6fm91 points92 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

And what would they do to those women who cheat? Prison?

I bet nothing!

[–][deleted] 226 points227 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Stone them if current migration trends don't change.

[–]ManInAFunnyRedSheet55 points56 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds about right. I love the "religion of peace"

[–]allrandomworldnews26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does not sound too bad either considering the shit those women try to pull.

Edit: fuck snackbars though

[–]iLLprincipLeS 12 points12 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Woman's world is her husband, her family, her children and her home. We do not find it right when she presses into the world of men.

Funny enough, according to some sources, if Germany won the war there was a possibility they would have had made up a strange mixture of Islam, Christianity and Paganism.

..in the future, who knows how white islamism would look like if done right. Lovable punishment can go a long way.

[–]razormachine28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They will have to pay a hefty fine of 50 euros.

[–]guyinaltr19 points20 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Now not only husband will provide for her and her child but also lovers lol

[–]bbmc7gm6fm17 points18 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I bet the law is a feminist law disguised as men's rights to know what and what.

First of all, the woman may deny it all in the first place. Secondly, if the husband insists and through genetic tests it becomes clear that he's not the biological father- wife lied- the relationship is already ruined.

Let's suppose the wife admits to having affairs. Would that make the relationship secure? No, if the husbands knows his shit. If the husband is a Nice Guy, yes- she may feel sympathy for the child and his wife and...

EDIT: Still I don't know if the husband has to pay for his wife's child regardless of being his biological father or not! Anyway, the husbands are doomed!

[–]razormachine15 points16 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Well woman is (theoretically) not losing anything with this law. If this law is implemented the "cuck" has the right to find out who the biological father is, and he also has the right to sue the biological father for the money he had spent on raising his child. She is going to "lose" if the biological father is earning less and can provide smaller alimony.

In a system that is about justice, a cuck should be able to sue the woman for the money he had spent on raising the child. (She was the one who fraud him, not him).

And the woman should be able to sue the biological father. (He might have (but didn't necessarily) fraud her.

However this kind of law should lead the single fraudster mother to bankruptcy, and we can't have that can we?

[–]Sonny198919 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Don't think any man should ever be sued for child support. If a cunt spermjacked him she should not get cash and prizes at all. If he knew he got her pregnant he should be able to sign a form saying he opts out of raising the child then it's the woman's (her body her choice) if she has it or not. If she has it the father should not have to pay a cent as when a cunt decides she doesn't want to have any responsibility for her actions she can just legally murder the child.

[–]razormachine12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

When a woman get's pregnant she should inform the father about her pregnancy before reaching the gestation period when abortion is illegal. The father should accept/reject the responsibility before she reaches the gestation period when abortion is illegal (if he fails to do so, he is responsible) If she fails to inform the father before that period he is still free to accept/reject the responsibility (if he fails to do so he is not responsible).

A father who had accepted responsibility is responsible for child support. A woman who had carried the child full term is responsible for the child support. In the case of a divorce the parent who get's the custody (or larger share of the custody) receives child support from the other parent.

If "father" finds out that he is not the biological parent (a case when woman lied to him) he should be able to sue the woman for the damages that he had by raising the child. And that woman would be able to sue the real father only if he had accepted the responsibility himself.

And there you go. A system where everybody has FAIR rights. However this kind of system is never going to be implemented because family law is not about justice, it's about protecting children. And woman get to use those children as a meat shield.

[–]NietzscheExplosion9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yea maybe in 20 years when the misandry bubble flames out civilization, if we survive it.

[–]razormachine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be so pessimistic, we have atleast 25 more years before that.

[–]2Overkillengine2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm just sayin' the "preppers" aren't totally nuts.

Having a chunk of land you can live off of while concealed is not a bad idea.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The more I look at the situation in North America. Spiralling out of control spending and the decaying of family life is common place. The more I see, the more I think these people aren't completely insane. The one which we see are the extremists of the movement and our opinions are shaped by it.

[–]truthyego2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. Rare to see someone give the only logically correct answer for the closest we could come to fairness in all this crap.

Usually people just argue back and forth only ever seeing half the answer, and then just give up.

Only disagreement, family law is not about protecting children. It is about enslaving men, forcing children into indoctrination camps, and incentivizing women to destroy the family.

[–]razormachine5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only disagreement, family law is not about protecting children. It is about enslaving men, forcing children into indoctrination camps, and incentivizing women to destroy the family.

I still think that the original intention was to protect children. However the original intention doesn't matter, the results matter. And I fully agree, the results are enslaved man, indoctrinated fucked-up children from single mom families, and a lot of broken homes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. How is lying about a child not considered felony fraud?

It'd be like buying a house, making the mortgage payments for a few years only to find out the realtor never did the transfer and the old owners still are the legal owners. Then you get kicked out and lose the house, the old owners get to keep it but you are legally obligated to keep paying the mortgage.

And that's what being married is like today.

[–]maniclurker-2 points-1 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

However this kind of law should lead the single fraudster mother to bankruptcy, and we can't have that can we?

Not if you give a shit about the kids welfare. The question then becomes: Do you? Or is your only concern that the man gets the "win" in this situation?

[–]Rodear10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Actually, it might be good to teach a child that shitty female behaviour gets punished. Obviously, as it is not the kid's fault that their mother is a lying bitch, the child has to be provided for somehow and, yes, sadly the state has to step in if the mother cannot. I don't want to see any kid starve. Whatever, there's no way a man who has already suffered the cruel blow struck by the mother should pick up the tab directly-he has suffered enough already as it is what with her lying to him and making him believe he has a child. Though everybody picks up the tag indirectly through taxation-guess that is insolvable.

[–]TheRedStoic6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.

In this case, an entire generation of single parent children.

I'm not advocating this, I'm pointing out that down in the real world, sometimes we're faced with ugly choices. Ones that would destroy even yourself in the short term occasionally.

My perspective is, you reduce welfare support over 30 years while implementing the aforementioned system. Slowly pushing a generation to take responsibility for its failures. Also paternity tests should be automated and mandatory before a birth certificate is signed.

[–]2Overkillengine7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Also paternity tests should be automated and mandatory before a birth certificate is signed.

Even this alone would made a huge inroad on the worst of female behaviors like paternity fraud. It removes that particular deception as an option.

[–]Rawrination5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have to wonder why this isn't already a thing.

[–]razormachine4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If paternity tests would be mandatory the whole thing would be dirty-cheap because huge number of these tests would drive the prices down, just as serial production of the cars drives prices down.

[–]razormachine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My perspective is, you reduce welfare support over 30 years while implementing the aforementioned system. Slowly pushing a generation to take responsibility for its failures. Also paternity tests should be automated and mandatory before a birth certificate is signed.

That's what I keep saying. Stop handing out welfare checks and things will fix themselves. The philosophy is really simple, people tend to act way more responsible when there is no safety net.

[–]Noramia0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Sometimes in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs."

Yep. I don't think it should be the man's responsibility to fix a bastard child's life. Go blame the mother.

[–]TheRedStoic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very strongly agreed.

There are men who are just... Ingrained to parent somehow. Let them choose to

Do not force any man's hand. It results in situations like the sexodus.

[–]2Overkillengine3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, it might be good to teach a child that shitty female behaviour gets punished.

More like an absolutely good idea.

Though everybody picks up the tag indirectly through taxation-guess that is insolvable.

This would give individuals within society more incentive to enforce certain social contracts. Also, offer a bounty for information leading to the true father if the woman does not identify him.

[–]maniclurker2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't get me wrong. Fuck women that do this shit.

I'm just trying to find a way to have my prior humanist ideals, and my new-found interest in TRP, coexist.

Women have shitty behaviors that we, as a society, reinforce for them. We should find a way to break that behavior, or adapt it to our benefit.

I just don't feel it's right that children suffer for the mothers shittiness.

[–]BlacknOrangeZ10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fewer children being born to sociopaths in broken homes is caring for the welfare of children. Remove the incentives for dysfunction and women will magically return to more responsible choices around pregnancy because people always respond to incentives.

Yes, there may be people faced with uncomfortable realities in the interim, but that's no reason to maintain the toxic status quo. Condemning someone for not caring about children because they want to correct a destructive legal and welfare system is like condemning someone for not caring about heroin addicts because they want to wean them off their drugs. It will be rough, but they'll be better for it.

[–]maniclurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can agree with that. That still doesn't change the current situation, where a real child is now going to suffer for the mothers poor choices. Either we adopt a darwinistic stance, and forsake it. Or, we pick up that burden and carry on.

Something needs to change, that is clear. Does the change have to come at the expense of, literally, the only innocent party involved?

[–]razormachine3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not if you give a shit about the kids welfare. The question then becomes: Do you? Or is your only concern that the man gets the "win" in this situation?

Yes I do care about children welfare.

In case of bankrupt mothers who cannot provide for their kids the state has the option to take kids away from her and put them up for adoption. There... kids are taken care of. And we did all of that without having to rob some innocent guy of his money, and giving that money to a woman.

It's hardly a win.

By the way... good luck trying to shame me for wanting a law system that provides justice for everybody, no matter the color of the skin or sex. I'm on a moral high-ground here bitch :)

[–]feminists_are_dumb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure the idea is that if the wife didn't disclose the affair, then the husband is able to get his child support back when it turns out the kid isn't his.

[–]oosnoopy 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Cheating isn't a crime. That voice in your head is just you moralizing. Sexual strategy (yes even women's) is amoral.

[–]bbmc7gm6fm4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Now there's a distinction between what women are prone to do evolutionary and biologically, and what they can learn to do or educate themselves to do.

If men can rid themselves of the destructive influences of the blue pill, women too, can learn more about themselves by studying the Red Pill. If a woman learns that she is biologically and evolutionary prone to cheating and different sexual partners, then, she can discuss the matter with her mate and prevent herself from overacting her instincts.

[–]Bhiim0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

isn't a crime just you moralizing

Aren't crimes defined by morality?

[–]nuferasgurd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, they are the morals of society (or should be), but every person needs to define their own ethics and morals. Is it morally wrong to smoke marijuana? The government would have you believe so.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Make the biological father pay the child support.

[–]bbmc7gm6fm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The biological father is probably a junkie who dwells in the bars and has no job but knows how to score women!

[–]Submissively_yours-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want there to be precedent of the government being able to punish anyone for having multiple partners/cheating

[–]NeoreactionSafe44 points45 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This looks very good.

Such a law will end slavery for cuckolded men, but not empower a woman to track down the true Chad Thundercock and enslave him.

That's a win-win.

Remember that they used to call children born outside a legally recognized marriage with DNA that wasn't "licensed" by the name:

 

Bastard

 

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So Germans got tired of being called cucks - so they want to outlaw cuckoldry.

There's a glimmer of hope in this world.

[–]strat_op12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This post is misleading. This law is not a big step against cuckoldry. The duty to reveal has been settled case law and just recently the German Civil Court has ruled that a written law is necessary to continue his rulings.

This law is actually NOT an improvement as it will include a limitation on how much child support can be recovered; only TWO years. Will look for a non german source on this.

[–]officerkondo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The duty to reveal has been settled case law

I find this to be a novel statements because Germany is a civil law jurisdiction and therefore case law is not a source of binding legal authority except in the case of the Federal Constitutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht).

[–]strat_op1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I simplified. In the German Civil Code there is a catch-all clause for the principle of good faith, § 242 BGB. As it is an abstract catch-all clause the Federal Civil Court (Bundesgerichtshof für Zivilssachen) has developed case groups for which he applies this principle. The revelation of the real father was one of the duties constructed from this clause, see for example (in german): https://openjur.de/u/703070.html But recently the Federal Court changed its rulings and laid down that the catch-all clause is not sufficient to derive the aforementioned duty. Thats why the old court practice is now translated into a written law.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women in Germany could be legally forced to reveal

Forced how? With what punishment if they don't?

Society does not lock up mothers.

He basically adopted the child.Not fair2 the child to back out.

As always, supporting the female reproductive strategy at the expense of the male.

Men need to be legally supported because we do not know for sure who our children are.

[–]PanzerBatallion5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This needs to be higher. This article means absolutely nothing.

You're gonna FORCE a woman to tell you the truth? You and what army? What are we going with here? Pinky swear?

People lie all the time when it suits their interests. If no one is around to provide any evidence to the contrary, they get away with it as well.

Forcing anyone to tell you anything is always tenuous at best. That's why torture is ineffective for information, and if torture is ineffective as a method, what does a courtroom have at its disposal to extract the truth?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're gonna FORCE a woman to tell you the truth? You and what army? What are we going with here? Pinky swear?

Exactly .. make whatever rules you like, but how are you going to actually enforce them? You can only do this socially, with fines or with imprisonment.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

-I would imagine thru DNA paternity testing. However from the first article, it sounds more like the court asks the woman "pretty please?"

-"Not fair to the child." Yeah, what I read is, "Let's guilt-trip the 'sham' father as a last-ditch effort because any self-respecting man would leave my ass."

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG153 points154 points  (48 children) | Copy Link

Germany won't need this.

Mehmet and Fatima don't need haram technology to ensure paternity, while Hans and Greta aren't breeding anyway because yeah.

[–]sir_wankalot_here108 points109 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

Got this part wrong

Mehmet and Fatima

Mehmet, Fatmina, Bashima, Akliha and Alloza won't need this. Meanwhile Hans and Greta will be working hard to support Mehmet's 20+ kids.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August132 points133 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

Surely you mean: Mehmet, Fatmina, Bashima, Akliha, Alloza, and Greta won't need this. Meanwhile Hans will be working hard to support them all.

[–]sir_wankalot_here66 points67 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

Sorry I stand corrected. Also since Hans will be working extra hard, Greta will probably be banging Mehmet also. If she gets caught banging Mehmet she will scream rape. Mehmet will get off because he was oppressed and needs to rape women or something.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

As a german I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Come over with a redpill helicopter, throw a ladder down and get me outta here.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ19 points20 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

1/8th German here, visited family a decade ago and then very recently. You need guns.

[–]m1lh0us34 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

there is no such thing as a 1/8 German. Either you have the nationality or not, stop this bullshitting.

[–]getRedPill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. I wonder where this guy is from. US people usually are crazy about this fractions of rationalities, races, genders.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know life can be difficult and confusing sometimes, so let me help you:

  • If both of your parents are German, you are entirely German.
  • One of your parents is German: you are 50% German. (1/2)
  • One of your grandparents: you are 25% German (1/4th)
  • A great grandparent - you're 1/8th German.

Sometimes great grandparents will have kids - more than one kid, and their kids have kids. These people, while not your ancestors, are still family. Here are materials to print out, color & doodle on while you're learning the basics.

Best wishes to your (and whoever up-voted you) continued survival in this fast paced and complicated world,

-- AFPJ

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I am German and that is bullshit.

I want a gun, but at the moment I surely do not need it. We are still one of the safest places to be at on this planet.

That might be subject to change in the future if things evolve the way the elite wants them to evolve, but right now that is not the fact.

[–]0newinged 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

We'll talk again after the next new years eve.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I even live in Cologne.

This is laughable being posted in a community which is mainly US-American.

There is no chance you'll find a place even remotely as dangerous as certain areas in Chicago, Philly, LA, Detroit, just any major US city, here.

Just go and compare the statistics on homicide for our countries.

[–]0newinged 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Don't want a safe country compared to other countries. Want a safe country by any standard.

I live in the netherlands and i am more carefull around blacks. Not because i'm racist but because the chance of facing human garbage instead of a person has increased enough for me to consider personal safety. Comparing my own situation with that of other countries will only create a false sense of safety.

Knowing africans die of hunger won't make my hunger vanish. Food will.

I do admit that the gun step might be too american for the current europe, but means to defend ourself are becoming more imprortant.

[–]Machismo012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are about to experience Sharia law, friend. In the next generation, more and more legislators will be representing this new population of conservative Muslims as they push through new legislation enforcing their own peculiar brand of justice. By that time, it will all be lost.

[–]Thaweed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought so too, then france stuff happend.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I am part of the reason Germany is fucked and that is bullshit.

Fixed that for you. I get it, you're a fellow E.C. here, due respect given, but you're fucking abysmally clueless if you've actually been in Germany for more than a week in the last year, stepped outside & did not notice signs of social decay.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

did not notice signs of social decay

Where did I state that. I said that this country still is one of the safest places you can be at on this planet and that it is superior by far in regards f safety compared to the US. Nothing more.

Edit: Also if you don't nozice social decay practically everywhere in the western world, you are a special kind of blind.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where did I state that.

You're right, you didn't. Apologies. Alas my point is, even if it isn't showing up as murder rates (yet), when you begin to import a culture that sticks together very tightly to the point of groups of muslims roaming around together, it changes the "mood" of walking out and about near refugee heavy zones, which has a cascading effect that resonates into almost every aspect of a society. It's slow to uptake, as I'm sure you know, but the end result is devastating.

[–]The_DogeWhisperer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait 20 years for all the migrant's kids to be young adults. Immigrants descendants are always significantly more violent than their predecessors. And there are more of them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I want a gun, but at the moment I surely do not need it.

You get a gun before you need one, because if you start looking for one when you need it it's already too late. Especially since crime tends to overtake an area all of a sudden, not gradually and with plenty of warning. You think you are safe because crime is confined to the bad parts of the city, but it only takes a bolder gang and a weakness of the police force to turn your neighborhood into one far more dangerous than you think it could be.

[–]byrdcall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no cc in Germany if you´re not a politician or a highly endangered person.

And while you´re not awake you can not have a gun within your hands reach, because it has to be locked away seperated from the ammunition in a safe.

Police here are weak, they are miserable shoots.

But other than that if you´re a sports shooter or hunter Ar15s are still legal and as a hunter you can even get supressors in some states of Germany now.

[–]getRedPill-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is amazing how germans are brainwashed, even RP germans...

[–]Brave_Horatius-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a psychological effect on a society that gun ownership yields.

People when they talk about guns focus too much on the individual.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't even understand what this means.

[–]SetConsumes3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd want to gtfo of Europe. Unless you're looking forward to the WWIII party.

[–]ThereAndBlackAgain16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

needs to rape

Wow shitlord it's called a Sexual Emergency!

[–]sir_wankalot_here8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual Emergency is the ultimate reframe. One cannot make this stuff up.

[–]2Overkillengine5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Stop oppressing his culture, you Islamophobe!"

[–]1Goomich2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, Idiocracy 2 will be called Sharia.

[–]ventdivin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it that hard for you to come up with 4 different Arabic real names?

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of all the bloody countries to take action....

[–]allrandomworldnews0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you get even more on 2017 after elections.

[–]HAL-9OOO0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL: In the woods is house made of baklava...

[–]Thaweed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hans and Greta are 50 years outdated here, but good try :D

Rather sad that i can only dissagree with you on the names.

[–]Supr3mat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On a side note: I'm german myself & when I told German women that the CURRENT law was totally insane 100 % of their replies were : NAWALT / relax, it's only a fringe minority / think about the children !!!

Never ignore the solidarity between women when it comes to cover up their mistakes.

If you know you've been cuckolded, you can't force the woman, who cheated, to pay back the money. You can only force the other man to pay you back.

There is NO financial punishment for female cheating, not to speak of any shaming policy.

[–]casemodsalt4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only skanks will dissaprove of this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

german here.

we have a think called Bundesgerichtshof (BGH), which is basically the highest court of justice. it regularly invalidates new laws because of them being unconstitutional. let's see if this new law makes it past the BGH. in the last years, BGH-decisions often have been anti-common-sense (for example, lots of child rapists had to be released from prison, because preventive custody wasn't a thing when they did their raping).

keep in mind, its germany we are talking about. they country which is getting fucked by middle class arab and african males, for which austria wasnt nice enough.

[–]yummyluckycharms1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What about the children is a common refrain from the matriarchy. Of course, logically speaking, if it really was all about the children, then everyone involved would want to know who dad was - if only just for the medical history for the kid. Suddenly - the refrain changes from - what about the children to what about mommy and her cash flow. That gentlemen, is what the real issue is.

I highly doubt this law will pass - too many vested interests have a stake against it, and the matriarchy doesn't benefit. Always follow the money

[–]Grischl1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This law - even if it gets passed - is a dud because it cannot be enforced. The woman just needs to say "I've met this guy at a bar and fucked him on the toilet after a few glasses of vodka - I have no idea who he is or where he lives" and that's the end of it.

[–]Frogtarius1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any claim for child support should have a paternity test to back it up.

[–]AirBacon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At that point it should be 100% up to the man.

Some kids are totally cool and you would be lucky to have them as a kid even if they weren't your biological child. And some women are pretty cool after the divorce.

On the other hand... Kids are people too. Some of them are assholes. Sometimes crazy women poison the kid against the father. If the little asshole isn't biologically yours and the mom is a crazy bitch then you should be free to kick both of them to the curb and get on with your life.

[–]RPthrowaway1232 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Germany seems to be flying in two different directions at once. I'm not really sure what to make of it. Clearly there is support for measures like these, but then they are also one of the biggest feminist countries out there and are also letting refugees flood into their land. Somewhere there's a disconnect happening.

[–]FinallyRed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The pendulum is losing momentum but is still travelling in the same direction.

[–]byrdcall0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is election time next year, other than filling the country up with immigrants they want to have something to appease the male voter.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This won't pass, cuckoldry is their future. Germans are a dying people, world war losses sealed their faith.

[–]LordThunderbolt3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There hasn't been a true Germany since 1945, am I right Mein Fuhrer?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mentioned both world wars. And yes Germany was split in two after WW2 and has basically been was American/Russian colony since then.

I'm not even white and this is obvious.

[–]Menigguh1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why not just pass a law mandating paternity tests at birth? Add option to decline (for the beta bux cucks). I'm sure most intelligent father's will have no problem footing the bill.

[–]Unholy_VI0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good on you Germany, good on you.

[–]cozgw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Controversial? Are you shitting me?

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds reasonable enough, I hope allot of cheating Ho's get the Shiv through this new piece of legislation.

[–]Ali_s19870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How the fuck is a strangers child my responsibility! How about making it fair for both the parents and the child....

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Studies differ on the number of children who grow up believing the wrong man is their biological father, with estimates varying from fewer than 2 per cent to as many as 10 per cent."

To me 10% seems a kinda low. I wonder how many kids know they are not raised by their biological father.

Also, I would not hold my hopes high for this to be passed through. Considering how cucked Germany is I am pretty sure it will be blocked somewhere along the path. Still, at least somebody is mentioning it.

[–]getRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are hoping too much for a law isn't that good as it sounds.

  • Still not a law. Must be approved first and that means it can be modified upon unrecognizable and giving a law completely different of what we reading here, or just not approved at all.

  • Law can't force anybody to divulge information about their past How they will force her to do so? Torture her by hiding all her make up? By forcing her to eat unsweetened Baskin Robin's? Come on. This sounds childish. A law can't force to do this, and if a law does so it's a shitty law, because you don't need (dont need) to know all her past to have justice.

  • If forced to revealed her past: RAPE! Think about it for a while, you have been reading RP for a while and you have grown wiser. If she's forced to reveal her infidelity she will claim RAPE. She will pass the burden to other man, either the Chad by claiming he raped her or the cucked beta by claiming he magically somehow made her do it. What a tyrant!s

  • The most important one and worsr is: Cucked father still has to ask for approval to have peace of mind, certainty of his descendant and justice served What a shitty law if you cant scape cuck slavery and stop being laugh stock of society. Father can't act by his own, he must first ask a judge if he can know (this requires time, energy, lawyer, money) and judge can't deny him justice, pretty possible in today's feminist courts and postmodernist age.

[–]summersss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

what will be a really game changer is when tests are so easy and cheap that one could use a phone like device to do it. But this law is a big step. It's one thing to cheat, that's personal shit.but tricking a man into raising another's child is seriously messed up.

[–]2popthatpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why don't they just repeal their ban on paternity testing?

I mean, this is good too, but it strikes me as being at cross-purposes with the ban on paternity testing.

[–]JohnnyRaz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I fear that Germany has already sealed their fate and no coup or any change will ever save them, Jews / Globalists have spent the last 60+ years transforming their men from this:

http://i63.tinypic.com/347u14l.jpg

to this:

http://i64.tinypic.com/3089m2o.jpg

German men (actually most white men) are not allowed to have a shred of pride or any form of identity. We cant even sneeze without being called racists. We have been beaten down and betafied to the point of no return. It will take a miracle to save us as this point. Every day I pray for some sort of violent takeover in Europe. People coming to their senses and throwing the fucking ropes up to hang all the poisonous leaders by the neck that are serving us up to the globalist agenda as we speak.

[–]Heinseverloh-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If the germans want their country to survive, better vote AfD.

[–]blackfin-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The irony of this is mind blowing.

[–]hyperkinesis247-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would a cuck trust information from @BBCWorld & @BBCNews? Isn't her need for BBC the source of the problem?

[–]pusangani-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm more surprised that this is coming from Germany, they're the kings (queens) of the eurocucks

[–]Hektik352-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you compared it to rape then woman wouldn't complain. As it is financial rape by a leech of a woman and her offspring.

[–]victor_knight[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, when the kid is unusually tanned, there may be cause for concern.

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