Red Pill TheoryIf you want easy pussy do not display any provider traits. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by razormachine

The tested theory is quite simple. Woman ultimately want a LTR with Alpha-provider kind of guy. However although Alpha-provider is the main prize, there is a good reason why Chad Thundercock the "Alpha-Jerk" is going to get a lot more pussy especially from younger woman than Alpha-provider.

What is Alpha-provider?

It's an Alpha man who has the potential to provide for his woman and his family. Has his life sorted out, people treat him with respect, has a career. A good marriage material if you will.

Why is Alpha-provider going to have a harder time with younger girls?

Because young modern western girls are entitled to their cock riding fun time that lasts until they feel their SMW had declined and they are approaching (or had already passed behind) the wall. After that point they are going to "aim" for mr.Right Guy, but before that point mr.Right Guy is just a nuisance because commitment would ruin her fun time.

During the fun time the optimal strategy for a woman is to ride Chad's cock and get herself a nice beta orbiter "friend" who is going to provide her with her other needs (comfort, meal tickets, "emotional" support (feeding her hamster)).

And why is Alpha provider going to have a harder time even with woman who seek the Alpha provider?

What woman wants from Chad Thundercock is his cock, what she want's from Alpha-provider is commitment or LTR if you will. The difference is that man are more willing to provide their cock, than their commitment (feel free to debate me on this one, I dare you).

If woman just wants to ride your cock things will go smooth. She is not going to be afraid to display her slut traits, as a matter of fact she is going to inflate them to make you know that you do not have to invest a lot of time or energy in order to bang her. Play your game right and you can bang her hours after meeting her.

On the other hand if a woman assesses you as an Alpha-provider she will want your commitment and her game will drastically change. Woman are well aware that man like to bang sluts however they do not want to marry a slut, so at best she is going to throw in some sexual provocation. Instead of displaying her slut traits you are going to have to endure the display of her "good wife" traits.

If you want to bang her you will have to take her out on multiple dates and listen her "selling-up" herself as a good wife and acting as interested. In the end when she does calculate that she can have sex with you without looking as slut expect nothing special.

Don't forget she can't display any slut traits, so "saint mode ON" no anal, gagging, facials... ignore the fact that her anus looks like the La Manche tunnel.

tl;dr If you want a fast and intensive sex hide your provider traits as your life depends on it. If she finds out you are a good provider and changes her game, simply walk away.

EDIT: Tweaked the formatting a bit (It sucks 23% less now).

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 284 points285 points  (76 children)

There was a post or comment I read a couple of years back where this guy literally rearranged his badass apartment by putting his bedroom in the living room and his living room in the bedroom.

He would keep meeting sluts when he went out, they'd be messing around, making out, he'd drive the slut back to his place, and as soon as they got inside and she saw his badass living room and how put-together his life was and how much neat shit he had, she started back-pedaling. Maybe they're moving too fast, she's not like this, she doesn't do things like this, he misunderstood -- she was just coming up to see his aquarium and watch a movie.

They never made it into the bedroom, because once these girls saw how awesome his life was, they got it into their heads that they wanted to date him, not just fuck him, and started doing damage control by pretending not to be sluts.

So he rearranged his living situation so that the bedroom came first, and the badass living room was in the back, and that problem was fixed. They never made it past the bedroom.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 125 points126 points  (39 children)

Tyler Durden (Owen) from RSD had a great talk about this--he kept taking all these rich, successful Hollywood exec type guys out into the field, the guys were learning pickup, getting good at the game, they'd get the girls back to their awesome pad up in the Hollywood Hills (or wherever), and then, the second the woman steps out of the car and sees the place (let alone inside the place), it's like "WHOA, hold on there cowboy, I don't put out so fast, you're not just gonna bang me tonight, you gotta DATE ME first..." (And the poor guy is like "What happened?? She was all ready to go 20 min ago--back at the bar she was practically begging me to take her home and fuck her brains out on the couch!!")

After a while they figured it out: IF A GUY HAS NOTHING TO OFFER, THEN THERE'S NO REASON FOR THE GIRL NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM RIGHT AWAY. If, on the other hand, a guy has a lot going for him (money, career etc), then the girl is far better served withholding sex for as long as possible, in an attempt to extract as many resources from the guy as she can (dinners, dates, gifts etc... Obviously, this is not a calculated decision, it all happens at the subconcious level).

So yeah, despite everything we've all been taught (big surprise): the broke deadbeat loser living on his friend's couch is gonna get laid a lot more often than the bigshot living in the fully paid off mansion.

Once again: thank you TRP, for showing me the light...

[–]Luckyluke23 38 points39 points  (7 children)

So yeah, despite everything we've all been taught (big surprise): the broke deadbeat loser living on his friend's couch is gonna get laid a lot more often than the bigshot living in the fully paid off mansion.

fuck me, and here i am broke, with no job living in my dads house thinking " fuck if only i could get a job i could get my own place and i might be able to fuck bitches"

now your telling me i can get bitches quicker WHILE being broke and jobless...

thats a mind fuck right there!

[–]antariusz 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Gotta have enough money for logistics. Driving out to a club, looking good takes money, doesn't take much if all you're living for is yourself, but if you're unemployed, well that won't get you laid.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Mind fuck yes, but look at the tremendous upside: now you don't have to spend 20 years pursuing an extremely difficult, high-barrier-to-entry career that you might not even be all that interested in, all because you think that one day your nice house, car, expensive clothes etc will attract a woman. Fact is all of that just gives off "provider" tells, which in turn pushes a woman's "MAKE HIM WAIT!!" button (as opposed to the broke loser living on his buddy's couch, then the girl's like "Well he's got nothing going for him, so why NOT have sex with him right now?? It's not like I'm gonna get anything from him later...").

This is one of those big revelations that, when / if it ever hits the mainstream, is going to have drastic, radical effects on society. How many men, after learning this, are gonna say "Well fuck it, I guess I'll just be a bartender / occasional drug dealer, buy a motorcycle, maybe teach a little surfing on the side in the summer..." Why go to med school to become the doctor you think women are going to swoon for (15 years down the line), AFTER you've already realized that you can literally be homeless and get MORE women that way than by being a rich, educated man?

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this bored really badly for me right now, since i am broke

i can kind of see WHY the female narrative is the way it is now. i mean, if you didn't have those guys going to med school for all that time, no one would.

[–]Thebilboestbaggins 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It comes down to confidence. There's no way I could go out and game women while being broke and living at my friends bedroom. However if I had tons of cash in the bank and could buy a Lamborghini whenever I wanted, and I lived at my friends apartment for whatever fucked up reason. Yeah I could get laid no problem.

Do whatever it takes flush out the alpha in you, but keep the image of some broke Chad.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 27 points28 points  (22 children)

IF A GUY HAS NOTHING TO OFFER, THEN THERE'S NO REASON FOR THE GIRL NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM RIGHT AWAY. If, on the other hand, a guy has a lot going for him (money, career etc), then the girl is far better served withholding sex for as long as possible, in an attempt to extract as many resources from the guy as she can (dinners, dates, gifts

I am trying to figure out how this translates to Married Red Pill guys. The more they work and slave for a woman, the less they get laid. The more they spend just doing shit for themselves, the more they get laid.

So how does this theory translate into the known fact that husbands who stop doing shit for the wife and supplicating like a bitch suddenly get a lot more sex? I think it all hinges on the takeaway. That is, we take away the Captain Save-a-ho mentality and it turns on slut mode in the same way as a single guy takes away his provider cues. Are they related? Inquiring minds...

[–]rp_newdawn 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Relationships are transactional. If a husband is already giving away everything for free, she doesn't need to put out. When he withdraws, now she is willing to pay in order to receive what he has to give.

Could this be the opposite scenario? The slut is willing to give away sex for free because there is nothing to gain beyond ONS. The moment she realizes there is something to gain, she doesn't want to waste her value and will try to see what it's worth.

The theory is the same in both situations. In the first scenario the woman is on the far left of the continuum (paying nothing, receiving everything) and the second scenario she is on the far right (paying everything and receiving nothing beyond a good fuck). The only change is which party is giving away goods for free (husband and slut).

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Husband...and slut.

Ouch! That hits home hard.

A slut is a girl who gives away her currency (sex) for free.

An emotional slut is a man who gives away his currency (commitment) for free.

Don't be a slut!

[–]razormachine[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A slut is an equivalent of nice guy (emotional slut). Both of them hand out their currency cheaply or even for free.

A gold digger is equivalent of man player. Both of them try to get the highest value they can for minimal investment on their part.

I could write a whole new post about the "economy" behind these values.

If a man hands out his commitment during the marriage (nice guy syndrome "I will shower her with my commitment so she will give me pussy") woman is going to feel that the value of her pussy had inflated and will hand out less pussy. Dread game is basically pulling back your commitment, and woman pay with her pussy to get that commitment back.

However I think there are better ways to pull back on commitment. A man should go out with friends, have fun, flirt with other woman. If a woman feels like that commitment can slip out of her hands she will give out pussy and cook, clean... try to pay with being a good wife to keep that commitment.

[–]rp_newdawn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly. A lot of this subs lessons revolve around teaching men to not be emotional sluts

[–]enfier 17 points17 points [recovered]

I don't think it applies. Women have two basic categories for men: fuck him or date him and once you are in date him category you're toast.

The real takeaway for married guys is that you can just go ahead and drop all the choreplay, making her feel secure and paying for her shit. It's not going to get you laid or keep her around either. It's all just a waste of time.

[–]StillRedder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2 basic categories for guys in the upper 20th percentile you mean, right? Can't forget that chubby dudes and betas are not on the radar.

[–]redearththeory 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I am trying to figure out how this translates to Married Red Pill guys.

Its applicable to affairs. /u/AdderallAbuse had a solid point a while back: show no provider traits to your plates/sidepieces and they'll be much less likely to blow up your marriage since they'll have no interest in an LTR.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Be Alphafucks. Dont be betabucks.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 11 points12 points  (2 children)

despite everything we've all been taught (big surprise): the broke deadbeat loser living on his friend's couch is gonna get laid a lot more often than the bigshot living in the fully paid off mansion

Reminds me of the homeless guy who mastered picking up women so he'd have a place to sleep at night. Granted he's a Chad and has a number of drug dealers in NYC on speed dial. So here's a guy picking up different women 4-5 nights a week, meanwhile regular Beta Bobs strive to get better with women learning pickup and get they're the ones getting beat up by their social circles. Good job ladies! /s


[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Remember watching this video a while back and thinking "Way to go ladies, this is a great example of your actions telling us what you really want, right here..."

[–]TheReformist94 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Women don't want commitment.they want alpha cock.lots of it.and they don't necessarily want the alpha cock to stick around. Alphas for the rush and quick collection of quality seed,then you cuck the betas

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Indeed. One of the biggest lies we've all been told from the very beginning: show her what a great boyfriend you'd be, and she'll fall right into your arms...

Re: cucking the betas, I kinda think that's going out of style, these days... Up until fairly recently yes, as a woman you'd fuck the alpha and then arrange to get taken care of by the beta, but nowadays, all the young women I know are like: nope, I just wanna fuck alphas--AND THAT'S IT. It's not like a few years ago when women would say "Yeah, it'd be nice to be in a relationship, have a boyfriend, be taken care of" etc (and then they'd quietly hook up with alphas on the side). Now it's like "Yeah, I'm not looking for anything serious right now, I just really enjoy being single..." (translation: I want a new alpha every week, betas no longer required, I can take care of myself, thank you very much!!).

[–]sepelion 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The more society enables women to be self-sufficient (work opportunities with "quotas" giving them jobs they don't deserve, education with easier access and less chains such as grants and scholarships particularly for women, reducing their debt and increasing their freedom, etc, whereas men not only have to compete just as hard but also get debt-chained and thus are weaker than them in the long run), the stronger women get in terms of everything-but-sex, the more it becomes a scenario where you have a lopsided world where a few men are gorging themselves on the majority of vagina, because male-female interaction at that point is solely amusement, solely a decision akin to "what restaurant to order from tonight?"

Most people like pizza, but nobody but a complete weirdo orders from Pizza Hut thirty times in a row; so forget marriage.

The entire thing is completely transient, by preference. In previous eras, before all of this "freedom and liberation", there was a certain boredom, of course, but there was enduring it.

It's just a bad time to be a beta, period. It's a reversion to animalistic reality, and away from previous civilization. The modern world is more about the Coolidge Effect and less about consideration for community stabilization, and as a result, you get a world of greedy assholes looking to fuck each other over left and right, because it's every man for himself, to fuck every woman for himself. In a way, it's also sad how much it screws relationships between men. Sometimes I read old books, classics and whatnot, and I hear of camraderie, male bonds, teamwork, and it seems completely alien to me that men used to work together for some unified goal, and more or less disregard women except for making babies, and thus civilization was advanced and built. Today, people are just interested in minimal effort for maximum money to maximize vagina. Houellebecq had a sage moment when he spoke of his thoughts on free market capitalism being similar for economics just as much as it is for this new post sexual revolution women's lib mess.

It's fine and well, but a lot of these girls don't even realize they're broken by time they're barely out of high school from all of the dick they've had. They are too immature or too reliant on their feelings to have the clairvoyance to ever see the basic reality that anyone who would eat a hundred apples would never want apples again.

And these women have had a lot of apples, across their face. They abandoned the wisdom of their ancestors to savor one apple longer, rather than speed-eating the entire bushel and getting sick. This modern Western woman has had so many apples she smells like apples and has bits of apple in her teeth, some in her hair. I suppose I win the misogynist award when I look at most modern dolled up Western women and see nothing but the pig bred to hunt the truffles, literally, I visualize them falling to the ground, ass up, snorting like the pig for the truffles in the ground (balls).

Am I suppose to pretend they hold some higher noble ideals? Even their baby boomer mothers are the same as them, all glued to the TV to watch Little Women LA or whatever, these vain midget women who are getting divorces, getting tit jobs and plastic surgery as menopausal midgets, just to get fucked by Chad. Art speaks to the inner voice and beliefs of the people of the time, that is what determines how popular art is, and the fact that these vain little women shows are so popular among women, just goes to show how worthless they are. Pure vanity, they watch it and think "if that little thing can get dolled up and get dicked, so can I!"


[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow, I wish I had more than one upvote to give you.

It's just a bad time to be a beta, period. It's a reversion to animalistic reality, and away from previous civilization.

Absolutely. If I had to give a one-sentence distillation of the modern day Red Pill, this is pretty much it: as a species we're getting away from all the traditions / rules / shackles that made civilization possible in the first place, and returning to the primal / caveman dynamic, relationship-wise (i.e. the idea of one single alpha having sex with all the women in the tribe, while the rest of the beta guys, from the second best on down, get nothing)--and we're doing it because WOMEN WANT IT THAT WAY. Once you realize that women don't want marriage, never wanted marriage, never even wanted monogamy, that they actually are MOST comfortable being one member amongst many in an alpha's harem, that this is their natural state (and that monogamy and marriage are artificial social constructs designed to get betas motivated to work, by saddling them with a wife and kids, and thus to get civilization on track), well after that light bulb goes off, you realize, what with smart phones / hookup apps / etc today (and the sexual marketplace becoming ever more hyper-efficient), it's pretty much over for the betas.

One commenter here made the rather astute observation just a little while back, that in the very near future, only celebrity men would get laid, every other guy would be left out in the cold. Roosh had a funny (and insightful) post (complete with Venn diagram) about this as while--like, in the future it's all gonna be: STEROIDS, MICRO-FAME, and SPAM APPROACHING. Couldn't agree more. I work and live in Hollywood, and while some might say LA presents a rather distorted, funhouse mirror version of the world, I honestly think LA (in terms of many things, relationship models included) is the city of the future, and that really we're just a few steps ahead of everyone else. I live in a building full of social media stars--Viners, Instagram celebs who have tens of millions of followers (they really are the new movie stars), and I can't tell you how many times I've seen a young kid doing pretty well with a girl, and then the Insta star walks up, says "Hey", and that's it, the first guy's done, he's out, the girl just got within 10 feet of someone with 10M followers, and so now she HAS to have sex with the famous guy. There's no amount of "game" that the first guy can utilize to recover, once celebrity is introduced into the mix that's it, Game Over. Whoever has the most celebrity "points" (we've now quantified it, via follower count) gets the sex, and that's all there is to it (I just finished a big sci fi screenplay about this very thing, in fact, so imagine my surprise when I looked around and saw it coming true years before I thought it would).

It's fine and well, but a lot of these girls don't even realize they're broken by time they're barely out of high school from all of the dick they've had.

I'm 40 but as I said I live in a building full of younger aspiring stars (and a few real ones, it would seem), girls just out of high school, late teens (some of them still IN high school, mid-teens), and just hearing these girls talk amongst themselves (and with the guys), it's so clear that, sexually speaking, they're all broken beyond repair by the time they're 18 (many by the time they're 16!). Think about that: girls are now ruined, for life (at least as far as pair-bonding goes), before they can even legally have sex as an adult. Every young girl I've met in this building (and in this city, really), all the girls who are like 18, 19 etc, they ALL have partners counts well into the triple digits. Sex to them is like brushing your teeth. Hot guy comes up, "Wanna have sex?" (although usually it sounds more like "Yo, wan' come ovah and suh' mah dih'...??"--or some equally horrifying, low IQ version of "Wanna suck my dick??"), and the girls are like "Yeah OK..." There's absolutely no filter anymore. I mean hell, from the girl's POV, it's a brand new dick--why WOULDN'T you suck it? (And then fuck it?) There are no consequences, right? Also, let's not forget, the girl who has the most sexual partners IS NOW CONSIDERED TO BE THE MOST DESIRABLE. (Quite a turn around from a few decades ago.) And so we have the fallout: all these girls have the thousand cock stare, and they have it before they even turn 18. (I mentioned in a comment just recently how I was hanging out with two 18-year old girls, one a friend from the building and also her friend, and her friend was like "I slept with 4 guys last month, that's not a lot, right?" And I laughed and said "Nope, one new partner a week, that's exactly right for girls these days." She laughed and said "Yeah, that's what I thought..." Girl's been sexually active for several years now, no boyfriends / relationships etc, soooo--what is that, at around 50 partners a year, maybe 200+ partners, by now? At the age of 18? Even allowing for breaks here and there I'd certainly put her over 150.)

It's a tough world indeed for the beta--and as the requirements for "alphahood" get ever more strict (thanks to hookup apps allowing women to find the hottest / most alpha guy within 10 miles with but a single tap), it's only gonna get tougher from here on out...

[–]razormachine[S] 49 points50 points  (23 children)

TRP guide how to set up your apartment. Sounds funny, but it does make sense. I'm thinking about two possible strategies. Either simply hide the fact that your life is well put together, and bang her.

Or make her go all the way then let her see how well your life is put together and somehow (I have yet to figure out how) use that as a carrot to make her a sexual slave.

Toss her a cookie from time to time.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It should be called Fuck Shui.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (12 children)

When I met my current LTR, I purposely avoided talking about the fact that I was unemployed and had an engineering degree, living in my parents basement. Anything to avoid her gauging how much money I make and have.

She still fucks me often and well so it must have worked

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So where do you guys fuck, I'm in a similar situation but a senior at uni.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 0 points1 point  (9 children)

How do you avoid talking about this? Most people ask "what do you do?" within a few minutes of meeting.

[–]Selfishaltruist181 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Just reverse the question. Say your chatting up a girl and she says " so what do you do" you put it back on her, saying something like "I'll tell you if you tell me what you do first" then change the subject while shes talking about her self. If your really smooth she wont even notice. Most people love talking about themselves way more then they love hearing about other people, so 9 times out 10 this will work.

[–]whuttupfoo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Something like "I'm unemployed", "I'm a drug dealer", or "I'm a part time crip and an amateur snapchat hoe on the side" would work way better than this. "I'll tell you if you tell me" just screams insecurity.

The former examples basically say, I'm not telling you what I do, but I will tell you that question bores the fuck out of me so I'll answer it however the fuck I want.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

If she's dumb as fuck then this is fine. I've never met a smart girl that would allow you to talk to her like that and still let you get her into bed.

[–]dapowa 6 points7 points  (1 child)

ive never met a smart girl. ftfy.

[–]Monkey_Jerk 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks. How long can you keep that up for? I saw someone mention they had a plate for about a year who didn't know what he did for a living.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you're looking for a plate (or more) then obviously she's going to find out eventually. So you have to put it off long enough to sufficiently demonstrate status in other ways that make up for being unemployed and living in your parents basement. If you have game, you can get away with putting it off longer. Also the way you word it matters. "In between jobs and interviewing" sounds better than "unemployed".

Overall the point is that if you're alpha enough, shell still want to fuck you

[–]EntitledShitHead 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I have a friend that is SUPER rich - he lives in a million dollar apartment, Rolex, and wears hella expensive clothe. He says that as soon as he gets girls over to his apartment, the panties come off, and the girls don't pretend to not be sluts. He has a really high success rate.

How does he succeed at one night stands?

[–]antariusz 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Rules don't apply when you're a 10. His smv is through the roof. He probably has a lot of things working in his favor, like a real abundance mentality.

[–]razormachine[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yup. Woman do not see him as a marriage material because they know he is waaay out of their league.

[–]antariusz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, I posted it elsewhere here tonight on TRP, but smv and rmv are relative.

Here in northeast Ohio it literally just takes an audi convertible and owning your own (nice) home to pick up hb7-9 women all day, especially if they're stuck doing some low end job like being a waitresses. I don't mean or advise flirting with waitresses while they're working, waste of time (except for fun and practice), since they are literally using you as their meal ticket, but when they're off the clock and showing genuine interest, it's comparatively easy. Maybe a million dollar mansion and a Lamborghini might get me a few more women, but ultimately it's still a matter of status getting you only so far. They will shit test you if they think that you have any beta tendencies at all.

The status difference between you and them gets them in the door, afterward it's a matter of escalating and being skilled at advancing from kissing to fucking (which simply comes from practice)

[–]balajig8 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because they know that he is an Unattainable Alpha for LTR.

[–]1dongpal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

thats when smv is TOO high. he wouldnt put up with her shit if she doesnt behave accordingly.

[–]RPthrowaway123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would totally use one of these. TRP apartment guide!

[–]Man_Jose 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Can confirm this behavior. For 2 years, I had an apartment in the heart of downtown. This projected a successful lifestyle.

I shared the apartment with a roommate who kept the living room messy. This made me tell girls, "Let's go to my room, clearly my roommate needs the living room"

Once in my bedroom, they would see books in a bookshelf, a clean bedroom and things generally sorted. This would cause them to backpedal a bit and start qualifying themselves as non-sluts.

Once I realized this, I put a music system and awesome dim lighting in my room with a rotating disco ball. That was enough for her to go back to slut mode.

To encourage slut behavior further, buy them the uber ride early morning and maintain no contact until she comes back for more.

[–]Luckyluke23 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Once I realized this, I put a music system and awesome dim lighting in my room with a rotating disco ball. That was enough for her to go back to slut mode.

this is a fantastic idea. Defo going to do that in my own place. ( when i get one)

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Logistics like this can make or break your game. Along the same lines you can have your place actually do some of the escalating for you. One of the things I used to do was make the house all mood-lit before I went out thinking if I pulled a girl back then it'd be ready to go. You know what the first thing they did when they got inside? "It's so dark!" :flips on lights:

Adam Lyons had the same problem and pointed out making the house progressively darker. Hallway when you come in is normal light level, living room is a bit darker, hallway is even darker, and by the time you get to the bedroom the light is at just the right level.

You can do the same with music. You can't just put on a playlist that's fucking music. Start out with music that matches the tempo of the club or bar you were going to and then have it progressively slow down to the good shit you can fuck to.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Having just moved into a new apartment and having my shit strewn all over, I noticed girls are giving me far less lmr as when my previous place was well kept. I might just leave these boxes packed up a while longer and put this to the test.

[–]Stormhammer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heh. Fun fact. My bedroom is in my closet. It's a good litmus test.

( I seriously have a queen sized bed and a night stand in my bedroom closet. )

[–]FrgElder 89 points89 points [recovered]

This has happened to me multiple times. Some of my female acquaintances will try to hook me up with their friends and when they try to "sell" me to them, they think mentioning my career is helping me out. In fact it's makes things much harder and I now have to struggle with an uphill battle to close the same night.

If women think you're a catch, they'll put on their best "good girl" act and give out a ton of LMR. It's fucking annoying when you can see right through it, especially when their behavior changes completely in the span of 10 minutes.

[–]enfier 66 points66 points [recovered]

Just tell your female friends to tell her that you are an asshole and not to sleep with you. Works like a charm.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 36 points37 points  (0 children)

If women think you're a catch, they'll put on their best "good girl" act and give out a ton of LMR.

This has been my whole life experience before TRP... I feel your frustration.

[–]RealMcGonzo 209 points210 points  (24 children)

I'll be dammed. Just figured out what happened on one date many years ago (preRP). Had this cute chick all over me on our first date, didn't fuck her. Then I couldn't get her on another one, but finally did after a month and a half, and I wandered into an LTR with the best sex I ever had. For years I wondered why she ducked me after our first date went so well. Now I finally know, she was throwing slut at me while I displayed too many provider traits, especially by not closing the deal that first night.

I tried to figure this out for years! Man, this sub rocks!

[–]ChrisBenRoy 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I think you are me from the future.

[–]huge_gap 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Been RPing for 3 years now and never quite connected the dots in this way before.

On Tinder I've been putting that I'm a law student. Maybe I should start saying I'm just a student, or something. I also have a nice condo, so how do I not display my value when she asks/comes home? Make jokes about being a secret agent or drug dealer? I feel like that can only go so far before she she gets weirded out. I feel like lying about having a solid job would still make me Provider Potential because i obviously have my shit together.


[–]razormachine[S] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Make jokes about being a secret agent or drug dealer?

Feel free to try out "dangerous and mysterious". Example I'm doing something that's not really legal, but I can't talk about it in detail.

That shit certainly disqualifies you as a provider material and is going to make her pussy moist. Works for me.

[–]MAX_Fury 12 points12 points [recovered]

I work for the gov't, I do things that are not "Legal" can't talk about too much.. I've used this line many times, works like a charm, in real life though, I'm a software engineer

[–]SetConsumes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't even say you're a student.

[–]Stormhammer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'd just say "it's a secret" and wink. Leave it at that.

Basically, what would Bond do? He ain't gonna tell some slut that he works for his Majesty's Secret Service.

... I think he actually tells them he works in exports. lol

[–]hesalop 29 points29 points [recovered]

Man, something very similar happened to me once and I regret it so much. When I was young and naive I took a 9 out for drinks one night and got her back to my place to have a few more. So we were on the couch doing some heavy making out, and it was kind of uncomfortable so I led her to my room. I promised her that nothing would happen and I was genuine, because my couch was actually very uncomfortable. Reached second base on my bed (she initiated) and then like an idiot I stopped because of my promise. She went to sleep kind of upset and eventually I never heard from her again. If I had known about the red pill then, up til today she'd still be cleaning out my cum from her holes.

[–]aanarchist 30 points31 points  (11 children)

i remember a woman who had considered me her super alpha like she was masturbating to fantasies of me but i didn't have the time or energy to spend too much time with her at that time despite being interested so no sex. she was the one who ended up confronting me about it like she was visibly bothered that i seemed interested but not making a move. nice guy that i am i was like well shit i'll make sure we get some time in then. she practically begged me to pump and dump her and instead i chose to not just go back to her on the backburner and her interest waned from there.

it doesn't matter if you're everything she ever wanted in a man, unless she's a unicorn in which case she wouldn't be in her late 20s and still single and having school girl fantasies about the perfect man, anything less than chad she'll start to create problems.

it's sad cuz at a certain point they just get stuck in this self perpetuating cycle, they just live out their whole life repeating their patterns until they get too old and unattractive to get any guys who are worth a damn.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 54 points55 points  (7 children)

Women go insane if they can't just give away sex. To them it's like being a banker and throwing money out the window and no one wants to pick it up. Like, wtf is wrong with my money?

I think it is something most women experience at least once, mistaking their target's obliviousness or inner Nice Guy (tm) for rejection. Of course, these same women have no problem trying to pussy trap men higher quality into commitment, if given an inch of opportunity.

So yeah, the slut and the wife are two different women in their heads. The former takes a bullet in the head at around 30 so as her crimes can be put to the grave.

[–]aanarchist 37 points38 points  (6 children)

nothing hurts a woman's self esteem more than sexual rejection when she's made it clear she wants it. it's not that i want to make her feel worthless, it's that i don't see any other way because following my instinct to make her feel beautiful leads to her causing drama.

[–]omonicor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude this happened to me and after three confrontations I accepted to give her time and bang her. 7 months later the bitch cheated on me and now she cries for an opportunity. I agree this is a self perpetuating cycle, how sad.

[–]antariusz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, more likely she probably just had a dude on rotation that she considered a better prospect than you. He wouldn't commit, so she grabbed the lower branch.

[–]ReddittFeist 71 points72 points  (8 children)

If you want a fast and intensive sex hide your provider traits as your life depends on it.

This has been a staple of PU that outsiders don't "get" since the earliest days

Even if you are a rich-bitch business success never show off your stuff when you're out picking up chicks.

[–]razormachine[S] 50 points51 points  (4 children)

Honestly with so many people flooding the TRP with... what is essentially blue-pill it's hard to filter out the good stuff.

IT lurked at the back of my head for some time now, I had subconsciously adjusted my behavior but now finally "get" it.

Blue-pillers can hamster all they wan't the fact is that Chad Thundercock, the selfish Alpha asshole who is the worst LTR material is going to have easiest access to pussy. And woman will do the craziest thing with him.

Hide your assets guys.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 68 points69 points  (17 children)


  • When the girl says "let's take it slow" that means she wants to lock you down into something profitable for her. She is seeing you as a resource. (Beta Bucks)


  • When a girl wants to fuck you it's because you aren't giving signs you want her or even like her. She uses everything she has to get you interested in her. (Alpha Bucks)


  • When you signal "Chad Thundercock mode" you are disarming her because she can't seek resources from you and she isn't chasing you for approval. She can fuck and be indifferent. (Alpha Fucks)


[–]slothsenpai 2 points3 points  (13 children)

Where would beta fucks land? Would it be the pot-smoking guy who gets laid only because he provides free weed to girls in exhange for quick pussy

[–]Wtfisthisgamebtw 12 points13 points  (0 children)

there's no beta fucks. That pot smoking guy who gets laid, has still a DGAF attitude, and shows Alpha traits.

The only sex betas get is the lazy starfish, from a post-wall chick that rode CC and now settled down, but fucked his hubby a couple of times before the grand wedding.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Is Beta Fucks even a real thing?

As I recall we came to the conclusion that the idea made no sense.

Women don't get Tingles with betas, so they have no desire to fuck them.


[–]razormachine[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Is Beta Fucks even a real thing?

It's a real thing. However beta needs to venture into the land whale territories for that.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Are those people even human?

Not sure if they even count.


[–]slothsenpai 1 point2 points  (4 children)

So are you telling me that any man who manages to fuck good couple of women without providing anything in return is automatically crowned an alpha?

[–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Alpha / beta isn't a binary thing.

The Alpha is at the top of the metaphoric pyramid of power over women.

The true bottom is Omega.

Alpha and Omega.

All the middle areas are different degrees of beta moving upwards.

A MGTOW is above an Omega.

But is a PUA above a MGTOW?

These things get into subjective judgements.


[–]jm-x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If a man can get good sex out of a woman (not that missionary starfish shit), at the very least he typically has some alpha personality traits.

[–]rp_newdawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting concept. Rare outlier but definitely exists in my past experience

[–]SmilingWatermelon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good insight. Im hoping in my coming days ill have more FRs. I hope you shed insight on all of 'em!

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No promises... this place can get pretty busy.

I try to pop in and give input when I can figure out something to say.


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[–]antariusz 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This, wish I could upvote more than once.

I've posted numerous times, the way to get laid more is not to hide your high status. It's to flaunt it. And make sure they she is either going to put out or get out. I like my nice luxury vehicle. I like my house. I'm not going to start driving a beater and renting a bachelor pad (although I got laid plenty when I was living one) my coworkers thought I was crazy for making 150k a year and living in a 300 buck a month room for rent. I began having an easier time getting laid the higher status I displayed, because I don't hide my intentions with women. I'm 100% sexual from the moment they walk in the door.

It's one of the most basic rules taught in PUA, but most guys seem to have trouble with it. Comfort, isolate, escalate. You get them comfortable enough to come to your house. Then you escalate. If she is willing to come into your house after a date, she is comfortable enough to make out with you. And if she is comfortable kissing you, she is comfortable enough to fuck you. The easiest way to make her comfortable enough to walk in the door of your house is to have a fucking amazing ass house.

But just like picking up sluts at a club, you can overdo the comfort, too much beta. You only need enough comfort to get them to the next stage of isolation and escalation. Just enough comfort to get her away from her friends and start a private conversation.

She's amped up on adrenaline already because she's in a "dangerous situation" exploring your house. You can either placate her with comfort, killing the adrenaline rush and the attraction, or take advantage of it and give her a wild and passionate night.

[–]rp_newdawn 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I completely agree with your rebuttal and loved your included example. If you have the time I would be greatly interested in seeing this concept flushed out in a separate post with more examples

[–]abbafishhead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I rarely get LMR these days, but I'm definitely trying that out. Massive respect to how you turned that all around.

[–]xddm2653 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, while I agree with OP, it seems a lot of guys with money and assets are simply getting out-gamed by these girls. In their minds they've found what they see as a catch and will fight to keep it. It's up to you to plate her or date her

[–]razormachine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

tl;dr: Yes this happens, but OP’s solution isn’t the way to go. The solution is to just be more alpha.

If it's about fast and easy pussy (so sluts). Then my solution is the way to go. If it's about higher class woman, then your solution applies.

There is not like... one simple formula that applies for every case.

[–]dapowa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this man should have a point for this or some sort of recognition. this should be a FR, on our frontpage. kickass message, and advice.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I vouch for this post.

I went from good "PUA & good Provider" to "TRP and bad provider" and I get more quality action now that I ever did; thanks in part to TRP but also to the fact that on the surface I don't look like a good provider.

I like Hank Moodie's quote (from Californication): when a woman meets a guy, she puts him in 1 of 3 buckets:

  • Have sex with him (Chad T)

  • Marry him (provider)

  • Ignore him (Beta)

Good post OP.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (14 children)

Lol, this is so true. Ironically enough being intelligent and successful are actually bad things if you want quick, easy pussy.

If you're like me and you don't really want a girlfriend but you want quick easy sex from lots of different women, then it's better to dumb down your language and act less successful than you are. Amplify your physical traits as much as possible while downplaying anything else.

Women are more intimidated by an intelligent guy as they know they are harder to manipulate. Also they actually want them long term so they go into "wife mode". Whereas with a dumb attractive guy, they can act as slutty as they want because they don't want him longterm anyway.

A lot of these dudebro chads some of us here are so jealous of will never have a meaningful romantic relationship with anyone.

[–]razormachine[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lol, this is so true. Ironically enough being intelligent and successful are actually bad things if you want quick, easy pussy. If you're like me and you don't really want a girlfriend but you want quick easy sex from lots of different women, then it's better to dumb down your language and act less successful than you are. Amplify your physical traits as much as possible while downplaying anything else.

It goes against everything that a young man is taught these days. It is sad, but at the same time it is so fucking ironic that it is actually funny! Successful Alpha has to downgrade himself to fall into the category "good enough to have sex with and nothing else" and he gets raw pussy without any of the bad stuff.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

thats not a bad thing though. the stupid bastards that get a "meaningful relationship" end up mgtow after their divorce rape. or they are the losers over at married red pill trying to "game" their own fucking wife to stop being a bitch and give more pussy. i'd rather be chad any day of the week.

[–]VeganRedPill 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Let it soak in how fucked western society is without significant counter-push when showing women that you'll be a good father is a sure-sign to get disqualified as a potential mate...

[–]razormachine[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Yes... lets all have a moment of silence for the western society.

That's enough, now let's have a party on this sinking ship and bang some sluts! Wohoooo!!!

[–]kafka-tamura 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Banging sluts gets old pretty soon. All you're left with is a dick covered in slime and in all possibility some or the other STI.

[–]causeandcorrelation 4 points5 points  (2 children)

And that's the cuck routine right there. One man makes the kids the rest raise them. That's what society was probably like pre religion. Unregulated sexual economics.

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[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 20 points21 points  (71 children)

Yes... provider behaviour directly triggers LMR and "Make him wait" behavior.

If you have a FWB or FB, try talking about getting her flowers sometime or maybe settling down one day, that kind of thing. She'll instantly say something like "awwww you're so sweet" and kiss your cheek. (Don't panic, you can laugh and say you're joking and get things back where they should be).

So yes you're totally right, but the "alpha provider" is a bit of male hamstering. Providing anything to women is a beta male-sexual-strategy trait. Yes you can (and should) mix the two, but don't think they because you provide and read TRP that she automatically sees you as "alpha provider".

[–]razormachine[S] 37 points38 points  (70 children)

Providing anything to women is a beta male-sexual-strategy trait.

I should have been more clear about the whole Alpha-provider thing. I wasn't referring to the guy who "provides" things to woman as his sexual strategy (yup a guy in a LTR, or a guy aiming for a LTR should mix in some beta traits), but a guy who is a good marriage material.

For instance, I have a house, a car, dog, great job and I'm good with kids. A lot of guys in my town do not have any of those "things", single guys who do have those things are rare as fuck.

I didn't "do" any of that stuff as part of my sexual strategy, I simply provided those things for myself, I got a dog because I love dogs, I'm good with kids, because I love kids (other people's kids).

I do not provide woman with stuff, however if they find out about those stuff suddenly I become a potential husband and things change for the worst.

Latest example was this chick I had met about a month ago. I banged her a couple of times, sex was fucking intense. A slut, but a great slut. All she knew about my "stuff" is that I own a car, and my car is just an average car (I'm more into bikes than expensive cars). I fucked her on the beaches.

Last night I find her in the company of my friend. And I immediately notice the shift in her behavior (yup the bastard told her everything). She bombards me with her "marry me" traits, she want's to have sex at my place. She comes to my place, and OMG she just loves my dog, desperately seeks anything that we have in common. We get into my room, and suddenly she is a bit shy and want's me to turn the lights off. And cake for the end... she want's to fucking cuddle.

Instant transformation from a sex-crazed slut to a housewife.

[–]Mikleback 36 points37 points  (12 children)

I love fucking kids (other people's kids).


[–]razormachine[S] 29 points30 points  (6 children)

That didn't really came out the way I intended.

Defensive mode ON!

I just love kids... in a 100% non sexual way.

Other people's kids.. the ones I do not have to raise.

I also like to say fuck too much.

English is not my primary language.

And I'm glad I didn't say "fucking dogs".

[–]Mikleback 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Idk man. Sounds like a Freudian slip to me (;

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

At least your own kids are safe.

[–]donaldcicc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love kids especially with a good Merlot. WC Fields

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why are you defending yourself?

It's also possible that you aren't uber alpha male 100% of the time, and the reason that women are treating you like a beta provider (I'm not like that) is because they can tell you have beta provider traits.

Look up the DEER acronym. And stop doing that, especially with women.

[–]razormachine[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why are you defending yourself?

Because I'm on fucking internet, and fellow redditors are teasing me. I do not feel like holding my frame on TRP. If this conversation was IRL I certainly wouldn't go all defensive. I would just laugh off this one.

[–]El_Diablito 5 points5 points [recovered]

This man would like to have a word with the OP. Hmmm

[–]666mafioso 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well, women are basically kids. But suspect nonetheless lmao.

[–]Red_SL4 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Redpillers confirmed misogynist virgin pedophile neckbeards.

[–]TropicalMermaid 21 points22 points  (52 children)

But don't men do that exact same thing with women?? If a woman doesn't have much class, doesn't have her life in order, and doesn't have anything to offer other than her vagina, men will want to just use her for sex. But when they meet s woman who has class, has a full life, has good character, and has traits about her that indicate she would make a good wife and mother, then suddenly the same men start acting like a gentleman with her. It goes both ways, dude.

[–]razormachine[S] 13 points14 points  (24 children)

Yes we do. Now I'm fully aware that it goes both ways. Before I used to feel like shit because I knew man were like that, and I thought woman were different, they were better than us.

Now I'm fully aware that they are like us. And I do not bash woman for that, I had simply removed them from the pedestal they once held.

[–]FrgElder 8 points8 points [recovered]

The difference is we won't withhold sex and try to pretend like we're something we're not. We withhold commitment but are straight up about it.

From your other post, you say that you're not the type of woman that's into casual sex. That is a rare and admirable quality in today's young women, and both sexes know it. Men seek out that quality and promiscuous women pretend to possess it when they find a high quality man. It's the fake act and the lack of genuine value that men have a problem with when they've seen the very same girl have several one night stands with others, not the fact that some women (very few) are genuinely more preserved.

[–]TropicalMermaid 5 points6 points  (17 children)

Women withhold sex because society demonizes them if they are honest about having it and wanting it. They are afraid of being judged. I think it might help if everyone could just be honest that both men and women like to have sex and that it's natural. Then there might not be as much game playing and fake facades.

[–]FrgElder 6 points6 points [recovered]

Women withhold sex because society demonizes them if they are honest about having it and wanting it.

And for good reason. Women and men chemically experience sex very differently. Women that have many sexual relationships eventually ruin their ability to pair bond with a prospective mate. And I'm not talking about 10+ or 20+ partners (which are common and in my experience, low numbers for a woman these days). The ability to pair bond to a mate is significantly decreased with each new mate (after the first), until it's pretty much destroyed in the 5-8 partner range. This was a study conducted by the CDC. There was another study that stated that women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship have an increased risk of marital dissolution.

So as a male, if you're looking for a monogamous partner to raised children and spend your life with, partner count matters (a lot). In the context of successful long term monogamous relationships, casual sex is not natural, and it certainly is not preferred. Simply put, a woman's value in the sexual market place is tied to her partner count and women who partake in casual sex are low value.

They are afraid of being judged.

Of course they are, being judged and outed as a slut is social suicide. They are deemed low value by the opposite sex and more notably are avoided by their same-sex peers. Who slut-shames more? Have you ever noticed that women are far more critical of other women for being sluts than men are? Men just shrug it off and remove slutty women from their dating pool, women are much more critical of each other. Another study states why... "Women do this because, evolutionarily, women who are willing to have casual sex undermine the goals of women who want long-term relationships. "Slutty" women hint to men that it’s okay not to commit because there will always be someone available to give away the milk for free, as it were. Their peers' “derogation” is thus intended to damage the reputation of these free-wheeling females."

I think it might help if everyone could just be honest that both men and women like to have sex and that it's natural.

Nobody is disputing this. Sex is both natural and enjoyable to everyone. But women with high sexual partner counts are low value mates for many reasons. They're like a man that just can't hold down a job. High value men don't shame low value women, they simply don't date them. Women have the freedom of choice to partake in as much casual sex as they want, but they need to be realistic and realize that doing so drastically lowers their value as a mate. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Then there might not be as much game playing and fake facades.

Women will always play games and present themselves in untruthful ways because of the reasons stated above. It's very easy for low value women to lie and conceal their past to prospective mates and they will continue to do so because deep down they know a high value male will never view a promiscuous woman as his equal in the sexual market place. As men and women we view different qualities as attractive and desirable from the other sex. Don't make the mistake of projecting your views/opinions on those of men, because they won't line up.

[–]TropicalMermaid 1 point2 points  (14 children)

To be honest, I don't find men with a high sexual count attractive as a mate either. The thought of a guy sticking his penis in every woman he comes across strikes me as dirty and not self-respecting. I don't view it as "manly" or "attractive" at all because to me it indicates that he has no self control. What if he has had an STD or has fathered some kids through his sexual conquests? Those are the things I think about. Not all women think this way, but some of us do. So this argument goes both ways.

[–]FrgElder 15 points15 points [recovered]

To be honest, I don't find men with a high sexual count attractive as a mate either.

You are perfectly entitled to have your own opinion on what you find attractive and pursue that in a mate.

The thought of a guy sticking his penis in every woman he comes across strikes me as dirty and not self-respecting. I don't view it as "manly" or "attractive" at all because to me it indicates that he has no self control.

I've heard this statement before from many women, but I tend to view it as an outright lie from my experience. I've had women say this and then immediately fall head over heels for guys that they know are womanizers. A woman's words are rarely congruent with her actions and if you have to choose one to judge her character by, her actions are more truthful. I've had women tell me how disgusted they are by how guys sleep around, and then sleep with that guy the same night. It's even happened to me countless times when they attempt to shame me for hooking up with all their friends and call it "gross", right before they try to take me home.

While you may genuinely find a high partner count repulsive, my experience tells me that's just a facade for the intended purpose of boosting your own moral character. But I will take your word for it and say that although it's your belief, society would disagree with you. Women are highly attracted to males that are socially successful, and a man that has bedded many woman has clearly displayed his value as a mate. This is why while women lie to decrease their partner count, men will lie to increase their partner count. The typical rule is if a woman tells you her partner count, times it by 3. If a man tells you his partner count, divide it by 3.

What if he has had an STD or has fathered some kids through his sexual conquests?

These are rational thoughts that rarely get in the way of a woman's attraction. They usually are only present as an after-thought after they have quenched their biological needs.

So this argument goes both ways.

What argument? At first your argument was that casual sex was "natural" (ie has no effect on value) and we shouldn't play so many games. Now your argument is that high partner count is just as unattractive in males as it is in females.

As a participant in the sexual market place you are perfectly entitled to demand whatever attributes you want from a mate, but you have to be realistic when assessing your own value to see if you can secure a mate like that. Women are terrible with the second part of the previous sentence. Women these days are aiming way too high and feeling far too entitled in terms of what they "deserve" in a partner.

You can argue how things "should be" and blame culture, society, and males at large all you want, but that will not change the sexual market place. There are certain things that men and women find attractive in each other that will never change despite who it may offend. High value men will not date women they deem low value or unattractive. Women with high partner counts are unattractive. Aging women are unattractive. Career oriented (masculine) women are unattractive. It's biological, you can accept these truths and govern your life decisions by them to your advantage or you can pretend you should be entitled to everything you want in the world and play the victim when you don't get your way (ie modern feminism).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think the better option is to give up on LTR and marriage forever. if fucking more than 8 people makes women shitty partners, you may as well try to win the lottery, rather than going around trying to find your virgin unicorn who you have enough shit in common with to marry, but who is also attractive. maybe we should just admit monogamy is shit for humans? if women fucking more than 8 people ruins it, id say humans didnt evolve for it. open relationships or just fuck buddies or plates forever.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why is it admirable? i love girls into casual sex. problem with red pill and PUA type communities is the cognative dissonance about how to fuck girls easy , then turning around and saying its "admirable" if a girl doesnt fuck random guys. like what the fuck, i love slutty girls, girls who aren't sluts and who wait till marriage are totally useless. why would i run around praising them? if anything we should "prude shame" as a society.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah "exact same" thing is not exact same, because it's women who are gatekeepers of sex. So yeah, men will want to use her for sex, but does she use them for sex if it's them who have more troubles getting it than women? I would argue, that no, it's not the exact same thing.

[–]TropicalMermaid 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I disagree. If women have no problem getting sex, then it should be very easy for women to take it for granted and use men for their pleasure without much thought.

[–]razormachine[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And that's exactly what is happening.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

In the end, it's a man using her for sex, because he's replaceable in this equation. Could be another man in his place, but it's him. And just "used" for sex? So sex with no commitment that he gets instead of another random man? Win-win. No, it's definitely him who used her for sex.

[–]GL_HaveFun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for spelling that epiphany out. hadn't made the connection.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're confusing the issue-the OP is about easy pussy, not about LTRs.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

For instance, I have a house, a car, dog, great job and I'm good with kids

Hide most of these traits, they will trigger make-him-wait. As you've figured out :)

You'd like to say "hey, I'm high value, look at all this stuff!" but that's just going to trigger her to "make him wait" or "use sex to lure his commitment", neither of which is as good as "he's a hot alpha that I want to fuck for the fun of fucking him".

do not provide woman with stuff, however if they find out about those stuff suddenly I become a potential husband and things change for the worst.


Instant transformation from a sex-crazed slut to a housewife.

This is a sad lesson in life. Give her what she wants and needs, and you're looking at blue balls from hell. Give her alpha dominance and emotional torture, and your dick will never go dry.

Hilarious that it triggers her to be shy and wants the lights off :)

[–]razormachine[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hide most of these traits, they will trigger make-him-wait.

In future if anyone finds out, the house is rental, I could get fired at any moment, the car is stolen, the dog has rabies, I'm in heavy loans, and I'm going to bribe my niece to tell everyone that she hates me. I'm a well built partybeast and that's fucking it!

Hilarious that it triggers her to be shy and wants the lights off :)

Yeah, that's totally going to improve the impression after performing A2M on her own initiative just several days before.

[–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds exactly like the girl I was fucking this summer, lol

[–]1kevin32 6 points7 points  (8 children)

The problem with this theory is it presupposes that young women who just want to fuck are simultaneously looking for a provider. So when she comes across an alpha with provider traits, she'll automatically want to settle down, which contradicts what the cock carousel is all about.

This idea of "alpha-provider" could only happen if he feels he must do things for her to keep getting sex, which automatically puts him in beta-bucks territory. As long as you make it clear upfront that the relationship is strictly sexual, and that you're not looking for commitment or to be her "friend", you shouldn't have to worry about her trying to settle down or behave prudishly, especially if she's in her 20s.

"Alpha-provider" or "alpha-bucks" is a confusion of core principles. I personally prefer the clear-cut distinction of Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks. You're either one or the other.

[–]razormachine[S] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

The problem with this theory is it presupposes that young women who just want to fuck are simultaneously looking for a provider. So when she comes across an alpha with provider traits, she'll automatically want to settle down, which contradicts what the cock carousel is all about.

Quite contrary. The theory clearly states that young woman just want to fuck and avoid commitment that might spoil their cock carousel time. They start looking for Alpha-provider when they became aware of the close proximity of the wall, or the fact they are beyond the wall. They will still bang the Chad's when possible while waiting for mr.Right Guy.

"Alpha-provider" or "alpha-bucks" is a confusion of core principles. I personally prefer the clear-cut distinction of Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks. You're either one or the other.

If that gross oversimplification helps you deal with otherwise quite complex subject feel free to use it. However I do not feel one bit inclined to use it myself.

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[–]Unholy_VI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go to a pawn shop and buy a wedding ring. Wear it when you're out gaming.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i mean , for this to work, you have to pull off looking like an "alpha" in the first place, if you CAN do that to get pussy, then all you gotta do is hide/lie about your great career and possessions. this is specifically for guys "alpha" enough to get pussy, who actually aren't drug dealing criminals, turns out they have a great carreer and many LTR/Marriage qualities, so the girl changes her game and starts withholding pussy as a game stragety. its as easy as just not letting her find out you are worth marrying.

[–]1kevin32 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If that gross oversimplification helps you deal with otherwise quite complex subject feel free to use it. However I do not feel one bit inclined to use it myself.

After careful consideration, I've decided that the community does need a distinction between beta providers and alpha/red pill providers as more men are waking up. I think "wolf alpha" was commonly used to describe these types of men, but I suppose "alpha provider" works just as well.

You may pass.

[–]DiarrheaHelmet 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Way too much of a generalization. Sure, we all have examples to reaffirm this, but we also have examples that go against and we ignore them. Most of my ltr's i fucked on the first or second date and they wanted it more than I did (funny how that works sometimes). They also really wanted to tie me down right away, just days after we fucked. Women can want to LTR you and be super horny for you, make no mistake.

[–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Just because you agreed to LTR doesn't mean they're not hoes. Try to guess the amount of guys she fucked after just one hangout that DIDN'T want a relationship. Your not special and your girls were no unicorns.

[–]cs_throwawayyy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. If you present yourself as a provider, she's going to play games, not put out, make retarded requests. All because she's looking for a guy who will put up with her (LTR or marriage).

But, if you present yourself as an uncontrollable alpha. You get free passes, no more games. She will slut up and show her wild sides, no more fake ass good girl shit.

I'm never mentioning to a girl that I'm an engineer.

[–]aanarchist 15 points16 points  (16 children)

i think it's too late to be an alpha provider i'm already 25 and i won't be hitting my stride til maybe 30 or so. there's no way in hell i'm providing for a woman over 25 who's been sucking other dudes dicks for free and then have me pay for her. there's 0 sense in a man who reaches his earning potential to be monogamous unless she's a perfect unicorn.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children)

No one said you can't date 21 year olds in your thirties

[–]aanarchist 8 points9 points  (4 children)

yea but at that point she's little more than a fleshlight. i kinda wanted companionship in my formative years, not a consolation prize in my 30s, the fuck do i need that for.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Chances are you were too blue back then to seek companionship that wasn't mommy love. A young sexy woman would make excellent companionship for an experienced man as long as you know what to look for and expect

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol, i know what to look for and expect, just that the value it provides isn't worth the value i provide. it doesn't fulfill any want or need that i have and therefor has no value to me. if it comes for free great but i'm not gonna go out of my way to get it, why would i.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

i dont really get that. i wouldn't LTR a girl that wasn't into anal and all sorts of shit. your perfect unicorn will probably be a boring lay. i mean i've given up on the idea of LTR and marriage anyway, but i dont get the guys who want the christian virgin girl to pair with for life. the sex would be so boring you'll turn into a porn addict lol. not to mention the well known fact that, women lie, and lie often. your unicorn is just a slut in disguise who thinks that "one night stands dont count". any good looking women in her mid 20s or late 20s and beyond has fucked 100s of men, no exceptions. and most ugly ones have too.

[–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (3 children)

If she's a biblical Christian then she'll believe in submission to her husband, otherwise she's a hypocrite and a closet satanist. I don't need a woman who's had 20 dicks inside her butthole to have good sex with her. I actually enjoy showing a girl new experiences and watching her reactions. Hell it would be nice to find a frigid girl and awaken the sexual part of her, a unique experience to share, she just has to not be 200 lbs overweight heh.

I can draw out emotions in people it's not hard, I don't need someone whos already been through the motions with other dudes for her to be good at sucking a cock.

At least for me there's more to sex than the thrusting, brains the strongest sex organ fyi. Warning don't do this with girls for practice you'll leave them widowed :(

I'd be perfectly willing to train her from scratch if she made it to her mid 20s with no boyfriends. If she decides she's missed out on cc then she's welcome to hop on it and fuck out of my life. Knowing a woman's had some dweeb nut in her mouth is a turnoff for me, and I'd he more reluctant to want her for long term. I want to draw out the purest essence of her femininity, untainted and undamaged, completely undisturbed and in pristine state. Inb4 some faggotpussy amogs me cuz we know how blue pill betas love to one up each other on Internet lol.

Either way personal preference. If you like sluts hey dude more power to you, and i say that without an ounce of snark or sarcasm. Some of my best friends love them some dirty girls hehe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Man, its not that i dont want what you describe, what man doesnt want some pure untainted virgin who they slowly turn into their own personal submissive slut. its just that, in reality, its never going to happen lol.

You'll never find this girl first of all, even christians are sluts these days. a christian girl's idea of "saving it for marriage" in 2016 is to only have anal or blowjobs. ive read that from so many christian men its not even funny lol.

secondly, i already know you from MGTOW sub, so im sure you're familiar with the fact that no women stays with you forever. it might take her 20 years, or 30, but she'll divorce you at some point, perfect virgin or not, and then she's got half your shit. so all that time you spend training her and teaching her shit, is too high a price to pay. I dont get in LTR anymore, i try to find nice kinky girls to fuck for a while till it ends up dissolving which all relationships do 100% of the time. it just sounds to me like you still want that fantasy we all had as young men, that fantasy that gets brutally shattered and makes us end up in subs like this lol.

But i dont wanna discourage you, shoot for the stars man, make it work where 30000000000 other men failed. im far too cynical to bother though lol

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i know what you mean brosef. rule of thumb is if she behaves like how she does in your head she's doing it right. my relationships fall apart when what they do and say doesn't match up with what they're "supposed" to do and say, ie compassion and open heart, warmth, femininity on steroids when she has the hots for you etc. she basically follows the "feminine goddess" script. i'm a pretty chill person so if she's having an off day or something i never hold it against someone, whether it's a woman or one of my bros, but i've come to realize that while my male friends will hold themselves accountable more often than not if they're being a bitch, women will blame you for their attitude. frame 101 it's like you know you're not to blame for other people having problems so when she breaks frame she done fucked up, and it's a sign the relationship is about to fail because she's not actually a good person, she's actually a terrible person wearing a mask. then there's having to watch exactly how she holds herself accountable when she does. like if she has toxic habits or toxic friends watch how she handles them all when you call her on it. it's actually simple when you really think about it, it just takes energy and a solid frame. i don't care about frame most of the time i just wanna relax and have a good time, hugs and drugs heh.

anyway that perfect woman wouldn't demand marriage, she loves you as you are right now for who you are, and anything you do is a bonus. kinda like how being rich is nice but not the end all be all, it just means you have a nice tv and the kids get to go to private school. basically a man in a woman's body rofl. anyway it's not like i'm investing my entire life into this, it's just one of those things where i know what to look for in the case that i find it. drinking brews with my mgtow buddies and watching the decline suits me fine regardless, but anyone who knows me knows that i shoot for the stars heh. more guys should shoot for the stars tbh, we got in this mess because men settled for sub par treatment from women, down to the point where you see that one video where that little fat girl yells at then bodies like a 6 foot tall black guy until he punches her in the face. a part of me feels like they're angry and violent because they just want a hug and to be told that it's gonna be ok, and in particular structure, discipline and stability, something they don't get because they're modern women. nobody cares what they do. hell my ex has her circle of friends both men and women, she could do the most retarded shit and say the most retarded shit and they're gonna cheer her on every step of the way. it wasn't until she met me that she felt compelled to regulate herself, she was never happier than when she behaved like a feminine woman instead of like a fucking man, and it really showed. i don't have the energy to play daddy to a woman in her late 20s and teach her the basic fundamentals of good human behavior, unless she's going to follow everything to the best of her ability the first time she is told. unfortunately that validation addiction is really strong by their late 20s and you have to invest a lot and it's like why bother.

i have a cynic in me too, i just told him to blow it out his ass tonight.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can i ask you something. would you accept a woman who had 1, maybe 2 serious relationships in her past, which ended for very good reasons, like maybe one of them fucking died or moved over seas. i mean, ive given up on the idea of the virgin with no boyfriends and dicks, given that im 30, and most teen girls have already fucked into the double digits these days. but like if a girls history involved only a few serious LTRs that ended for legit reasons (not cause she wanted to slut around, or because she's a cheating whore), thats basically the best you can get right?

i mean a good looking girl usually has a boyfriend, even if she's not a slut, they just have so many guys after them, they have more chance of a quality relationship as well as random dick. i think the best i could ever shoot for is a girl that never rode the CC with wild abandon, or who never cheated. a girl with a FEW one night stands (because shit, we all get drunk, even guys terrible with women end up fucking a few while wasted, so i cant hold that against women) and a few boyfriends that ended for legit reasons is something i'd settle for. even this is something i feel too cynical to shoot for, but i feel its a more realistic goal.

EDIT: oh and course one who isn't a single mother and who is actually attractive (as in not fat, im not super demanding with appearance, just dont be fucking tess holiday).

[–]Lord_Draconia 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Fucking cold blooded logic I love it. I always try and use my emotions to battle the woman on an emotional level and always wonder why I lose. Spock got the pussy I bet.

[–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, Kirk was quite the ladies man!

[–]hores 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spock's logic talk would dry the fuck out of any woman within earshot. Strong frame tho.

[–]fobcat 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm still in the relatively-early implementation stages of RP, and know I'm going to screw up and learn along the way. For instance, this weekend I met a hot chick at the bar Saturday night (she came up to me). We danced, got hot and heavy, and then I paid for the uber back to my place (a pretty big house, to which I gave her a tour---doh!). Someone had stepped on her toe, so I gave her some neosporin and a couple bandages (I would have done this no matter what, but it probably displayed provider characteristics). As I was literally penetrating her a bit later, she made me pull out after about 30 seconds and that was it for the night (after several more attempts by me). She wouldn't tell me why, but my guess is that I was conveying just a few too many provider characteristics. I got a BJ the next morning, at least.

In the morning I made some breakfast for both of us and drove her home. (wrong!) We rendezvoused again that evening (Sunday), and I actually chatted and made friends with her (guy) friends. Afterwards, when I brought her back, she didn't even let me finger her, said she was tired, and just wanted to sleep. I continued to give her too much attention (was horny) and further ruined my case.

All this to say that several aspects of my behavior were probably displaying provider/beta traits in retrospect, and her 180 degree behavior change from Saturday to Sunday night seems to be emblematic of this.

[–]razormachine[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The important thing is to know the screw ups, learn from them and implement fixes. Remember nice guy is an insult, asshole is an compliment!

[–]zattraction 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This makes so much fucking sense!!

[–]rumovoice 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Another way to stop this "saint mode" crap is to tell her that you already have an LTR. This will

  • remove any beta provider potential
  • put her in a "bad girl" mode
  • will serve as an additional social proof
  • she will want to show you that she is better in bed than your LTR

Also girls looking for alpha fucks will not feel any guilt and actually will find it satisfying that you want her so much that you are willing to betray your LTR for her.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I first read this as "If you want to eat pussy... Do not display provider traits"

I was like damn... Sometimes I get in the mood to eat pussy. Not that often, but definitely sometimes.

[–]Hjalmbere 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Casual mating strategy vs long term mating strategy. Of course you will attract sluts if you openly advertise that you pursue the former. Won't be top notch pussy though. You'll be dating down.

[–]razormachine[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Won't be top notch pussy though.

I'l just fuck her in the ass then.

[–]5dollarcheezit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure if I missed this in the lingo, but meal tickets? Does that mean taking her out to eat?

[–]RPthrowaway123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got this lesson recently. Started to get comfortable with a girl. Knew she was having a long day at work, sent her a picture of a puppy or some shit to cheer her up...boom. She no longer initiates sex, stopped sending sexy pictures, and so on. You know the story.

Girls are going to get what they deserve, ultimately.

[–]Brazilianimproving 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have to disagree l, at least when it comes to 3rd world countries.

A chubby beta is more likely to fuck, with no game, if he has a Ford fusion or something better, than an average looking guy with decent game and no car.

Of course a bad boy who lifts and has a Ninja 300 or takes users/cabs will bang a decent amount, but money really means a lot here. And showing it off only helps you.

I remember a richer friend of mine had a Ford fusion (it's much more expensive and exclusive here than for you Americans. It costs more than 100 times the minimum wage), we took it for a stroll around town. Girls would pass by and look back with no hiding. Just like we would look back if we walked by a hot ass girl.

One of my friends has a Nissan Tiida (I think it costs around the same as a Honda fit). It's not a sexy car or anything. He is fat, around 1,65m, ridiculously bald (around 25yo), unkempt, ugly. He dates a hot bodied, taller than he is, brown skinned, decent face girl.

Money means a lot here.

Cars get you pussy.

If you show up with a Camaro here (300 minimum wages) you're basically God.

Career-wise, if you are a judge or a medic, you are also god. Both these professions are notorious for making a shitload of money (for our standards).

Although being a gringo, especially if you are tall, blonde and Nordic/german looking, you're pretty much God already.

[–]10xdada 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sidebar worthy. Thinking about this all night.

I was ambitious as a teenager, mostly because I saw girls go after guys with jobs and cars, so I made a lot of money (for a kid) in my late teens early 20s but couldn't figure out why this didn't land girls. I was trying to become BB because that's what I sincerely thought was the masculine role. I thought that my lack of success was the result of not being BB enough. There is a level of fucking insane here I'm sure most of you can appreciate now.

I could do all the things their boyfriends could do but better, nicer restaurants, more exclusive parties, more powerful friends. I was also exceptionally good looking. I could get the hottest serial monogamists to branch swing, but casual hookups were rare, and being the branch these girls swung to burned a lot of bridges.

A lot of people said I "took things too seriously," which I always blew off as something poorer acquaintances used as an excuse for lameness, and richer people used as a defense because they didn't have the same stake as I did. It wasn't that. It was that I wasn't fun in the way that girls liked: unserious, just a ride on the CC they could get on and get off.

Youth is about being careless, and I did everything I could not to be careless because I felt like I would "lose everything," which is laughable now, because "everything" is almost always a lot less than you ever think it is. If you can lose it, it was never yours, just your turn.

The OP just nails it. When girls want to have FUN, they mean, seriously, any tiny threat of adult judgment or survival strategy will trigger their defensive instincts. The less it matters to you, the more FUN it is.

FUN means it's all about them and doesn't interrupt their bubble of carelessness. Women ARE children that way, and when you treat them as anything else, you get the things the OP was talking about.

I hope this post or something like it gets linked permanently, it's something guys need to read.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What if you own a house? At 22 I rented a house and pulled some girls in during college. The teens would be excited to fuck. The women my age (22-24) would show LMR. Does owning nice stuff trigger LMR too?

[–]Cave_Weasel 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What if the woman is the provider and just commits to ME for my Thundercock? Because I've been working with this for a while now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You'd have to be way out of her league. Or else she'd find a guy with an equally high SMV but more cash.

[–]Cave_Weasel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She's like an 8/10 by my standards, so oh well, guess that's my future.

[–]mikeymop 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In what ways are we hiding these assets?

[–]J_AsapGem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i struggle with this so much.. always give off the " bf vibe " but i've been practicing whenever i get the opportunity, kino is definitely an indicator of what you want with her, can start basic and escalate from there, don't think a bf vibe would be a problem after that.

[–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can be a provider type guy but not give a damn if she cheats or leaves because you will exit the ltr swiftly plus have hot options lined up which she assumes you do will keep any woman slutting it up for you because the competetion keeps them horny and if you fuck her right she will figure other women will love it too.There is no safegaurd or blueprint against female nature STOP preplanning for it.

[–]Wanderwow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, to anyone who knew me in high school I was the nice beta, but I started to swallow the pill in college. Now I say dumb things like "I'm going to ruin your life" and they're all over it. Can't get enough. But if I instead presented my future plans and told her how I'm gonna give her such a wonderful future, they'd probably vomit in their mouths and NEXT me. It's crazy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree to some extent. As someone who has (90% of) his shit together, and spends alot of time with younger women (professor at a private university in the US) these girls do have some sort of attraction towards me. For now I'm keeping them at bay. I have decided NOT to bang any of my students. EX-students are another story.

[–]traversecity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn that clicks. Younger me had a lot of sex, living in a studio which had communal bathrooms down the hallway. Very cheap rent, many eager women. Was earning good money but living a very frugal lifestyle in a college town.

[–]automatepmp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a lot of truth in this post.

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fact is once they start begins you me its good, you can always just go Chad on them anyways. It wasn't meant to last anyways.

[–]MudSlinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't forget "no" goes a long way. The sooner you learn to say no to the Women, the better off you are.

[–]reacon2016 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How do you hide these things?

When a girl comes round to my fancy apartment, bought from my accountants career wages, it's hard to hide. Girls can always 'see' I have my life in order. My place is gorgeous - large spaces, balcony, en-suite master bedroom, nice furniture etc. I have collage photo frames of my epic life (travel/parties) on my walls - they are staying up as it's like a 'trophy' cabinet for how much I've improved my life.

I still don't see why hiding these things would help?

[–]ministypill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a founder for several companies, I value this post. But sure enough, you don't really need to hide your social value.

You just have to be alpha.

Deny her free sex, always have backup girls on call, refuse to take her home with whatever expensive coupe you have then call her a Uber.

This post is very valuable for most men out there who need to hide their provider trait. But alpha don't need to hide anything to have sex.

[–]spookyman212 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I have a request. Can you please make a profile of the "Goes after married guys" women. Because I am curious as to what is going on in their brains. What is driving them? What are their goals? Are there different stages?

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