Blue Pill ExampleWoman hides her $25k debt from her husband until after they're married. New hubby pays it all off and even adds her to his bank account. (self.TheRedPill)

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I am having a hard time mentally moving past the fact that it took me so long to save that $17K... I love and trust my wife, and I am committed to her. I know that paying off the debts was the best decision, but I can't help but dwell on the fact that I feel like I made it too easy and non-consequential for her. This feels like an unhealthy mindset. Any guidance for me?

That's right, a very unhealthy mindset indeed. Stop money-shaming her, shitlord. Keep your head down and keep earning money to pay off all the new debt she'll inevitably accrue in the future as well. You exist entirely to please and pay for your wife now - welcome to your new life. Consider the $17k a payment for her accepting your lowly, pathetic, male hand in marriage. She's doing you a favor!


2) We will go have her added to my current checking account as a joint tenant and have the account become OUR account.

Ah yes, very good idea indeed. Her financial history is clearly very solid, so giving her unmitigated access to your bank account seems like a good idea. Now that you've cleaned up her messes and given her a clean slate I'm certain she will turn her life around and put a complete stop to her irresponsible spending habits.

tl;dr don't fucking get married and if you do don't be this fucking guy, good god.

[–]Zerwas 71 points72 points  (21 children)

This is how you enforce irresponsible financial behavior.
The fact that she did hide her debt alone would be reason enough for me to break up.
If someone can't be honest about something that important if he/she will get married, that is a classic disqualification example in my book.
Giving her access to the bank account is the cherry on this shitcake. He will regret that very soon.

[–]Lagotta 36 points37 points  (10 children)

The fact that she did hide her debt alone would be reason enough for me to break up.

She is lying about other things too.

[–]blackhawks93 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Ding ding. Get a paternity test on any and all future children.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (7 children)

The whole thread is people criticizing the OP, not for paying her debts, but for maybe making her feel like a child (because she acted like one) and telling him that when you're married it's not your debt or her debt, it's a shared debt as is the money. Even though she kept it hidden until they were already fucking married.

Paying her debts wasn't enough, they're telling him that he should comfort her and help her "heal" after this because she must have been so scared and frightened and embarrassed. These people believe that women are so weak that men need to pay their debts and then COMFORT them afterward, as if she did him a favor allowing him to take on a shitload of debt (given their income). And then in the same breath they say we should treat women the same as men.

[–]Zerwas 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The latter part is simply astounding and ridiculous. This kind of thinking has no foundation in reality.
Just imagine if the gender roles were reversed...people would be all over the mans ass daring to inflict such a situation on his future partner.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly and they call us here at TRP the misogynysts They are the ones who think women are so weak that they can't do things on their own. It's the opposite. We know what women are capable of and that's why we know marriage is a bad deal.

OP's wife knew exactly what she was doing, by hiding the debt, UNTIL were married. She basically trapped the sucker, yet nobody on the thread acknowledged the fact that she deceived him. Nope, it was all "poor little snowflake", now it's your debt too.

[–]dotte11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Was it really that bad? holy shit

[–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Paying her debts wasn't enough, they're telling him that he should comfort her and help her "heal" after this because she must have been so scared and frightened and embarrassed.

I haven't looked at the thread yet and now I don't want to. PLEASE fucking tell me you're joking. PLEASE.

[–]Askada 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To be exact, her debts is shared debt, but your debt stays yours.

The double standards at play, just from one of top posts today:


since we’re together, it’s our money and that I was wasting it.

[Top comment]

Oh no. That money is yours. Put him in his place. If he wants more money he can earn it, not use yours.

[–]BlacknOrangeZ 417 points418 points  (55 children)

Haha what a chump.

"I am now kind of giving her a crash course in credit cards, etc"

He doesn't even realise how much he has taught her already.

He thinks he is going to be giving her lessons in responsible financial management. What he has actually just done is teach her that her pussy can get a nice guy to clear all her debts anyway so #yolo.

[–][deleted] 170 points171 points  (41 children)

The credit card debt is what really sticks out here. Student loan debt is one thing and not only difficult to avoid, but encouraged.

However, pretty much everyone tells you to avoid credit card debt at all costs. Racking up $17k in credit card debt is outstandingly bad decision making.

[–]Sementeries 58 points59 points  (34 children)

First off, how long you gonna know a bitch and not know how much debt she has? There's many telltale signs a bitch has financial issues.

This dude deserves the dumbass of the year award.

[–]Mckallidon 11 points12 points  (33 children)

He could have just checked her FICO. 17k in debt will stick right out. Any man with some money and assets should never marry a woman with less than an 825 credit score.

[–]blueiron0 42 points43 points  (8 children)

825 is a pretty high standard to meet. I'm all for setting the bar high, and I think you have every right to set your own standards. However, telling people "don't marry anyone with less than an 825" is both arbitrary and unrealistic. A lot of people turn to this sub for solid advice.

[–]Planner_Hammish 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm not sure the nuance in going from 800 to 825, but I've a score (last time I checked) of 799, and I have never missed a payment or defaulted or anything. I've paid off student loans, and have a mortgage and new car. So yeah, with 825, I'd say you give or take a bit of leeway.

[–]1NPIF 37 points38 points  (13 children)

I have money and assets and I don't even have an 825 credit score. It's good advice to make sure your woman has some money management knowledge but let's be realistic!

[–]Mckallidon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't understand. I've never financed a car and I have an 800+ FICO with student loans still. But I've also paid everything since I was 18 and have had multiple credit cards that I always paid off early for ten years. Idk. Seemed easy to me. Time is the biggest factor in the calculation. Over ten years of paying a lot of shit off on time is probably what did it for me.

[–]limpingrobot 8 points8 points [recovered]

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I handle my finances really good. Have little credit debt paid off monthly, so no paying interest and my credit score is a 765. Over 800 you get from having credit cards open for more than like 7 years. My oldest credit card is 5 years old.

[–]aazav 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I have no idea what my FICO is. I have no credit cards. Debit all the way. When I rent a car, I put down a $5000 deposit, which I always get back. I pay what I owe. Just sold one house and having the other renovated. I work my ass off. The only debt I have is my house. That said, I'm really aware of the cost of operations of my life. If a woman wants to be part of it, she must compliment it, not be a drain on it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You should consider credit cards. They can protect you in ways that debit cards can't and some come with signup bonuses. Warranty extension, fraud protection, foreign transaction fees waived, etc.

If someone steals your credit card and spends money, it doesn't come out of bank account.

[–]phx-au 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah don't rely too much on credit reporting agencies - I have two mortgages that don't come up on mine. shrugs

[–]no_face 3 points4 points  (1 child)

nigga, im the most responsible individual financially and i dont have 825

.... oh! you are saying you should never marry! I get it now

[–]aazav 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Racking up $17k in credit card debt is outstandingly bad decision making.

It's that living beyond your means thing. It shows a massive inability to accept restrictions and reality. And with those two, you become a problem to yourself and a problem to others who fall for your shit.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Exactly. Even if I was worth millions of dollars and happened to be dating someone who was $17K in debt, it's still a huge red flag. Even though I would be able to pay that off like its nothing, it shows she is not able to handle her own finances and spending. That's something that leaks into other areas of your life.

[–]dotte11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Marriage is also outstandingly bad decision making for men in 2016.

They were made for each other.

[–]2Overkillengine 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Even when faced with the truth of the lesson he is teaching her, poor schmucks like that will rationalize it as doing something nice for m'lady.

What they fail to realize is their kindness is actually cruelty. By enabling/teaching a woman to behave poorly and exploit men, one is simply hobbling her ability to maintain a healthy relationship ever.

All so the enabler can feel better about themselves in the short term magical fantasy land they have constructed for themselves in their head.

"Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. "

[–]Stythe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely accurate. Saving people from t consequences of their actions is not helping, it is entirely enabling. It seems like rather than trying to teach relationship advice to people they should be taught how to deal with addicts. This stuff is straight addiction. Would you pay for your wife's heroic habit? Great! So why the fuck are you paying for her to ruin her financial reputation. .....Oh right, pussy. Idiot.

[–]Mckallidon 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I hope he ends up getting cucked. It takes complete rock bottom to destroy a blue pill mentality, or the person, whichever gives first.

[–]getRedPill 19 points20 points  (3 children)

THIS, Exactly this. That's why I like Austrian School of Economics and Objectivists philosophy. They teach exactly this, your actions and where you put your money teaches more than words words and promises.

[–]TheYellowPill 10 points11 points  (1 child)

People here understand TheRedPill in a sexual market, but there's also TheRedPill for economics.

Austrian economics (Red Pill) vs. Keynesian economics (Blue Pill)

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (6 children)

My ex-fiancee tried this with me. Told me she had $2k in debts and dropping each month, wanted to put the wedding on credit... I took a look at a statement for one of her cards one month; it was at $2300. I confronted her about it and found out that she had over $10k between all of them. I've never been in debt but that magically would have been mine the second I said "I do".

I think she's still living with her parents.

[–]Manirvo 19 points20 points  (2 children)

You dodged a bullet there, mate.

[–]alphabetagamma111 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You dodged a bullet there, mate.



Oh yeah, dodging bullets very closely. Son, you must be Neo!

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (11 children)

Women are smart - they will find the opportune time to release all of their baggage onto you expecting you to help alleviate the load. If men stopped being such huge manginas, perhaps they'd begin to understand that no logical person would tolerate that shit.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (8 children)

Exactly. People on here think all women are dumb and that's not the case. I remember saying somewhere else that women are smarter and more cunning than men think they are. Yes, it's dumb to get in $17K worth of debt, but she knew she could find some dumb guy to pay it off for her and not just that, the idiot put her on his bank account.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I remember saying somewhere else that

women are smarter and more cunning than men think they are.

Women get through life by pretending to be dumb and stupid. Feminism has added a new twist, even ugly women can now do the same thing.

[–]darkrood 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Please, everyone knows feminism is pushed by dildo and kitty litter companies.

[–]KorianHUN 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I knew one who was the biggest slut i've ever seen... she had good grades and now goes to uni (and NOT in gender studies or other shit). I was cucked enough to buy her drinks, etc... this story was told a billion times. I suspect she never paid a cent any night.

[–]Mckallidon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

She probably gets dudes to pay her parking tickets too lol.

[–]dotte11 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She probably doesnt get any. The pussy pass is real

[–]jeezydasnowman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Just because you bought her a drink or two doesn't make you a cuck. Words lose their power when they are overused. Cucks are men who get sexual gratification from watching their wives fuck bulls.

[–]1OneRedYear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

shhhhh. you're ruining the circlejerk

[–]reckful994 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sexual gratification isnt a necessary component. It's any man with an adulterous wife/girlfriend. Colloquially it seems to refer to men who are in this position because of their weakness and inability to stand up to their girlfriend.

[–]Mckallidon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right. As soon as she unveiled that debt, he should have had that marriage annulled. Peace bitch.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (2 children)

I find it hard to believe these toxic weak cunts exist only to encourage more of this type of behaviour , spineless twats.

[–]25russianbear25 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Its sad. Whats sadder is "easy come - easy go" Something tells me she doesnt have a good grasp on hardwork and money.

Maybe she will learn the lesson but most of the time lessons are learned the hard way, she needs to learn respect for $ and work.

[–]darkrood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She learns the lesson "my husband bail me out as I've intended"

[–]jewishsupremacist88 100 points101 points  (3 children)

being a cuck is a new social construct

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I was wondering when is would see this analysis on red pill since I frequent that sub. I'm interested in people pitfalls so I can Make better decisions myself. There is no escaping this shit for a lot of men though. Once they are married they are a prisoner of their wives poor spendin habits.

[–]jewishsupremacist88 6 points7 points  (0 children)

thats the funny thing ...being a cuck is a social construct but the left will never discuss actual 'social constructs' but project racialism as a fallacy

[–]red-pill-man 49 points50 points  (6 children)

Can't wait till next year's follow up post- "New Wife Runs up $20k in Credit Card Debt in One Year. HELP!"

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ones rhinking this too. All he has taught her is that he will take the burden of debt. Next year it will be a sneaky pair of shoes, then the next month a new car to get her over the depression of the wall.

[–][deleted] 24 points24 points

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Exactly this. There is a reason she hid it. Now feminists will think that the past is in the past, but this is unacceptable, whether you are a man or women. Imagine if it was a guy lying about a ton of debt he has.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's really the problem inherent to all the arguments being made. The advice is truly sound if you assume the marriage will last a long time whilst being a pleasant affair, but the odds are NOT in your favor. It honestly blows my mind that otherwise logical people cannot make a basic risk assessment when it comes to marriage. If 3/4 marriages were happy and lasted for 30 plus years or longer, it'd maybe be an argument. Maybe.

[–]melxer 44 points45 points  (18 children)

Pure gold answer from a presumably still married woman that seems to have been in the same situation as the wife of this "man" :

Should I go ahead and just pay off the student loan as well?

If you can, yes.

Should we just cancel the remaining credit card, or should I leave it open and just not use it ever again for the sake of her credit health? (If this even makes sense.)

As a woman, this horrifies me. Essentially, you would remove the possibility of building a solid credit history for her and if anything were to happen to you or your marriage, she could be left in an unintended financial bind without a solid credit history. Keep the credit card and order a replacement for the one you shredded. Use this credit card to help build a solid credit history and have her add you as an authorized user to track spending as you guide her in responsibly using credit. If your wife does not learn how to use the card responsibly you may end up in a similar situation again. If you do not repair her credit, then you will also run into issues when you purchase a house together.

How you poor schmuck dare considering not to pay the entirety of your wife's hidden credit loan ? That thought horrifies me. If my husband did that to me the twice a month starfish sex would transform into none and divorce would be on the table until he comes back to reason.

I am having a hard time mentally moving past the fact that it took me so long to save that $17K... I love and trust my wife, and I am committed to her. I know that paying off the debts was the best decision, but I can't help but dwell on the fact that I feel like I made it too easy and non-consequential for her. This feels like an unhealthy mindset. Any guidance for me?

I've only been married for six years, but here's what I have to say and it's something I've said on here before...that 17K should be viewed as a gift even if you have plans to be "paid back." This will avoid resentment and nothing kills a marriage like resentment. You need to figure out a way of letting it go. The 17K should never be brought up in arguments or as something you hold over her. Generally, I recommend making this experience an opportunity to really define the financial goals of your marriage. What things are important to each of you financially? How do you want to handle finances in the future? Involve your spouse in these decisions. It will give her skin in the game, so to speak.

Don't use the fact that you gifted her your hard saved 17K as a leverage to demand anything of her in your relationship. She did nothing wrong, what you did was exactly what was expected of you, she owes you nothing for that and if you dare reminding her that event she will resent you and this will only accelerate the cucking and the divorce.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (10 children)

Holy fucking shit. I read that and how she rationalizes the paying off $17K as some gift is just mind blowing. Yep, OP should just be a good little slave and still allow his wife to be involved in financial decisions, even though she previously racked up $17 THOUSAND IN CREDIT CARD DEBT.

[–]Swelfie 18 points19 points  (8 children)

And closing the wife's credit card so she can't continue to run up debt is borderline abuse. Lol

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

The funny thing is I took a look at the BP subreddit which apparently mocks TRP and how we are abusive and shit. Yet we don't tell guys to beat their wives and emotionally abuse them. We just think rationally about situations and see the world for what it is.

We improve ourselves and don't take bad deals. Like staying married to someone in $17K worth of debt. We promote frugality because it's smarter to live under your means, than living above them.

[–]Mckallidon 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The BP subreddit is for masochists.

[–]darkrood 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I thought it was a troll sub by Rper?!!!

[–]Mckallidon 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Blue Pill and proud MOFOs! I've got my pink shirt with color popped, I'm gonna buy every guys gf a drink. I've got my manbun. I'm ready for the weekend boys!

Note: This comment does not reflect the actual mentality of its author.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm literally shaking and horrified at the thought of this control freak of a man trying to close his perfect wife's credit card.

If she happens to make a mistake again, SO BE IT! Life is all about making mistakes, lord knows I've made mine(teehee). Pay off her debt again like a real man and don't you EVER bring it up in any conversation ever again.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Nothing beats this comment:

Don't forget to include some personal fun money in your budget (given your income with no kids, you can afford it). It doesn't have to be a ton, but that will go a long ways towards her not resenting you, if both her and you have like $100 a month or whatever to buy shoes, clothes, video games, whatever your fancy, without having to get your partner's permission first.

Noted: If you want to keep your wife from resenting you, the woman who vowed to love you in sickness and in health, all it'll take is $100 a month in "fun money" to buy whatever she wants to wear for Chad's bedroom girls' night out.

[–]dotte11 9 points10 points  (2 children)


Can humans actually be this stupid?

[–]dropabitch 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I literally have NO respect for anyone who is not part of the Red Pill these days, cases like these reaffirm that 95% of people are actually retarded when it comes to logic

[–]dotte11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yea dude. Most people do not think, rather they feel with their emotions and then find 'factual' information to justify it no matter how ridiculous.

Don't be fooled that the TRP is exempt, though. The only men on here who are legit are the ones who found the TRP without having any problems with women, guys who have never been negatively affected by feminism but still arrived at TRP conclusions.

We are talking about less than 1% of the population that is capable of true objectivity. Others just have a bias that happens to support a factually correct view.

[–]Mckallidon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It would have been cheaper to get life insurance and have her get into unfortunate circumstances. But this guy would probably cry himself to sleep until he turned himself in.

[–]CounterTony 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the "gift" were to someone other than his wife he'd have to pay taxes on it because it exceeds the IRS threshold for an annual gift lol.

[–]2comment 45 points46 points  (1 child)

If you have to get married... do an extensive credit check on prospective partner, you know women are doing it.

Also, don't get married.

[–]nicetimeisback 111 points111 points [recovered]

17k would give him more and better sex by being spent with good prostitutes, instead he spent them (and much more i guess) for some once a week starfish duty sex for a few years (until the wife will suck all the money from him and proceed then to rape divorce him).

All for what, affection? He miss the times when he was a child and mommy give him affection, so now he search it on this gold digger.

Well guess what, it's just acting, only mommy is able to give a child real love.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (16 children)

Exactly. I mean I get wanting to be in a relationship with woman you can hang out with and stuff, regardless of if people think it's blue pill. The thing I don't get is when you find out she's $17K in debt, he just paid it off for her. That's stupid. If you find that out, either break up with her, or set up a plan where SHE pays it off eventually.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (11 children)

From a BP perspective it makes perfect sense though. If you alone had a bunch of savings and a bunch of debt you would obviously use your savings to pay the debt so you're not paying a bunch of interest. So the thought is, well we're a team now, her debt is basically my debt, and we're in this for the long haul (ie. forever) so why shouldn't I pay all her debts? In the past when I was more naive I could have easily fallen into this trap myself.

I do suppose in the highly unlikely scenario where they end up being happily together forever, then this "investment" will have paid off and was only a minor bump in the road along the way.

Unfortunately considering that she's been dishonest from day 1 of their marriage I think it's only a matter of time before his dream of a white picket fence and 2.5 kids with his loving wife is shattered when she, now free of that pesky credit card debt, rides off into the sunset on Chad's motorcycle.

[–]Lagotta 25 points26 points  (8 children)

when she, now free of that pesky credit card debt, rides off into the sunset on Chad's motorcycle.

Chump needs to buy Chad's motorcycle first. And give her alimony, child support*, and the house the cuck bought.

Edit: *For Chad's baby

[–]Mckallidon 26 points27 points  (7 children)

We need a Red Pill Romantic comedy for men that is just this. Blue pill man falls for slut who blows all his friends, pays off her debt, marries her, gets cucked by her "asshole" exboyfriend, loses everything and Chad rides off with her on the back of the motorcycle she bought him with alimony money. Main character goes insane during divorce rape proceedings, loses job bc his company doesn't like his emerging red pill character, ends up in shitty studio apt paying alimony and child support for Chad's kid, off of a line cook's salary, and he ends up being the biggest Chad that ever lived by knocking up everyone's gf in his building that he sells weed to. Stacks cash and moves away to Asia into his shanty with a submissive housewife that blows him twice a day and makes the best stirfry. The End.

[–]xddm2653 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lmfao that's fckin hilarious

[–]tenderwarrior77 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Please let this be directed by Vince Gilligan, with Byran Cranston as the Lead..

[–]Mckallidon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Ryan Gosling needs to be Chad 1 though.

[–]Planner_Hammish 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They made this movie already (more or less, as it's billed as slapstick comedy): Daddy's Home.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No shit. Need to check it out.

[–]Planner_Hammish 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Will Farrel is the cuck and Marc Wahlberg is the Chad. Super cheesy; 2/5.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That is true from a BP perspective the whole my money and debt is both and vice versa. Back in times when marriages lasted a lot longer and stuff, this made sense. The problem lies in the fact that she literally kept the debt a secret, until they are married.

Imagine it was a different type of secret, but the guy hid it. Like he had an affair for about 3 years during their relationship and they got married 6 months ago. The pitchforks would be out and rightfully so, saying he's a jerk and to dump him.

Unfortunately since it's a woman, that wouldn't be the case. They would tell the guy to man up, forgive her and never bring it up.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Just break up with her. Keep life simple. No bitch ever pays off $17k in credit card debt without a trust fund.

[–]limpingrobot 3 points3 points [recovered]

Isn't it too late? At least for the debt so far. Isn't he liable the instant they got married?

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think he could get out of it if there was an annulment.

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell, even shitty prostitutes.

[–]CJ090 44 points45 points  (38 children)

Epiphany. We're I to get married I'd more than likely be marrying someone with massive student loan debt while I will leave college debt free. All my efforts to avoid student loan debt would be futile if I decide to get married. Fuck.

[–]Zerwas 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Simple solution. Just don't!

[–]CJ090 40 points41 points  (0 children)

That's so crazy it just might work

[–]oxykitten80mg 31 points32 points  (4 children)

You forgot the last word in your comment Fuck ______. It was marriage.

Fuck marriage.

Yet another joy of marriage...all the hard work you put into building a good credit score is now hers. She can now get cards with YOUR name on em and spend spend spend with reckless abandon!

It is far cheaper to rent...than buy when it comes to pussy.

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[–]Mckallidon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Shit, even renting a car for a road trip is better than using your own.

[–]thetotalpackage7 23 points24 points  (2 children)

There's a difference between your wife having $50k in student loan debt and having an accounting, engineering, or pre-med degree as compared to a theatre degree.

[–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 12 points13 points  (0 children)

shit has gone worse, gender studies, feminist dance theory and yada yada. You name it, and if it's anything that even closely that pedestalizes women and pleases them, it exists, no matter how much horseshit it is and how useless it is. And women will study them because it is designed to please them.

[–]Mckallidon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sadly, I Used to cook with a guy who made less than me and was married to a theatre teacher. She made way too money, had sick benefits and was an uber-entitled cunt. Was a fucking retard outside of her field of expertise. She paid all the bills, had him bitch-whipped and he thought he was going to be a stay at home dad. I'm sure she's cheated on him by now. Or at least I'm hoping.

[–]zxDanKwan 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I believe there's a tax form called an "injured spouse" amendment or something that lets you get out of responsibility for debts incurred prior to marriage.

I didn't find TRP until about 9 years married, but way back at the beginning, I used the injured spouse thing to avoid my taxes being hit harder because of her debts.

Applying TRP has definitely taken my marriage up a few notches, for both of us, but I'd still tell any single guy to stay away from marriage. Even though I'm perfectly happy in mine, at least for the time being, there's too much at risk to encourage other guys to jump into this shark tank.

[–]malthuswaswrong 3 points4 points  (13 children)

That's the burden of being a man. Women are children that never grow up. If you spoil them they will become spoiled. If you discipline them, they will behave. That's why husbanding is a verb.

[–]Mckallidon 3 points4 points  (12 children)

Husbandry literally means to care for in the sense of dominion and stewardship. Wife literally used to mean property with a fuck hole.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I broke it off with a couple girls because they had 100k in student debt and I knew I'd be the one paying them off. My wife is a teacher and after 5 years of teaching in a low income disterict in a special ed she'll have her entire student loans forgiven. Responsible women are out there but few and far between for sure.

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Yep. I could have had one of those. She's married now. I didn't want anything with her though bc she was a Jesus freak that wanted to adopt African babies and not have her own. I laugh at that chump every time I'm on FB. What's worse, being a cuck or being a cuck knowing she didn't even fuck anyone at all?

[–]jupc 1 point2 points  (4 children)

My cousin did this nonsense. First their couple had two natural births, then he agreed to his wife importing various adoptions from eastern Europe. The imported kids now outnumber the natural born ones.

[–]Shako12 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's like a simpleton letting his girlfriend have 3+ cats but far worse...

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wtf. That's like double cucked. Taking on the liability of both their parents lol. Fuck.

[–]Mckallidon 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Marry a less educated bitch who couldn't do better and will worship your cock and just wants to take care of kids anyways. I know people who marry a woman who went to college, pay off her debt too and she ends up being a stay at home mom anyways. It's so fucking stupid.

[–]Shako12 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Exactly. So many women of today are going into stupid amounts of debt for awful degrees. I don't even understand how they get into that much student loan debt in the first place. Oh I know, they thought they were above community college, so they just siphoned off student loans for everything at a university (dorms, study abroad, spring break, bars, and the list goes on). And when they graduate with their liberal arts degree, they constantly spout off to going to such-and-such school while making 25-30k a year. With all of that bullshit, it would make much more financial sense to get your long term squeeze from a high school graduate.

[–]limpingrobot 1 points1 points [recovered]

Just wait and student loans will be paid by the government - i.e. all of us here. With more women than men voting, and the lowest marriage rate ever, it's just a matter of time for men to simply be taxed to pay for women.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

This is a perfect BP example.

Alot of the comments are bashing him and calling him a chump.


Hes literally under the Disney BP impression that she truly loves him and they will stay together forever. Under those conditions, it makes sense to pay off her debt. Can you blame him? Hes probably never been exposed to how calculating and manipulative women are.

[–]dinosauralienspirits 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yea. People here calling him a dumb fuck may ne pushing it a bit. If he had seen the shit we had, and asked red pill instead of relationships, i think he would have been turned. But the 17k is gone now so fuck it. I hope she's a unicorn.

[–]Askada 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That relationshits sub is bottleneck of pure retardation, I don't think I've ever seen legit and logical response there. Their daily posts could alone supply us with lifetime-long front page of blue pill examples.

[–]menial_optimist 16 points17 points  (3 children)

This is kind of what my friend is doing, except his wifes debt is 10k and he's paying it off slowly by diverting a large portion of his income. I can't help but feel bad if they break up he'll feel like a chump that paid 10k for nothing.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You should tell him not to do this. Wait, but if you do this, he's gonna think you are a jerk.

[–]menial_optimist 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I already told him this. He just hamstered it and said something along the lines of how since it will benefit them both to be debt free blah blah.

[–]lord-denning 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The responses are hilarious. People are confirming that he should think of himself and her as one unit, for him to subsidize the rest of her existence for eternity. Hilarious.

[–]jhenry922 15 points16 points  (1 child)

My wife went and got a second job to help pay down her debts.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Forget about blue pill or red pill, this guy is a flat out idiot. Seriously, paying off $17K of HER credit card debt, instead of her paying off is crazy. Then he adds her to his bank account.

Yep, nothing can go wrong. /s

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Its THEIR debt now shitlord

[–]oxykitten80mg 25 points26 points  (11 children)

Wow...what a pathetic motherfucker. He was stupid enough to say I DO....

With all the info on TRP and MGTOW out there it still floors me when I hear these pathetic pussy addicts saying "but she, ..shes .....DIFFERENT" sure pal. Pay off her student loans first then its all aboard the alimony train!

Truly sad. Young men pay heed.

[–]KorianHUN 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Look at most subs. TRP is almost always portrayed as some kind of one dimensional woman hating fat short guys with small dicks. I'm not joking. They just repeat negative body stereotypes. They want to make trp users seem like low level betas... coincidentally the only shits like that are the male feminists supporting bluepill.
The biggest joke is when they say "TRP is about hating WOMEN"
Holy shit when i see this... trp is about men making themselves better but bluepilled ratards always want to make everything about women being on a pedestal. I see them as equals.

[–]Mckallidon 5 points6 points  (2 children)

To me it's not about hating women. It's about loving yourself enough to not let them ruin your life while having fun with them. Fact is women hate themselves and each other more than anything. The only lesbian relationships I've ever seen that were not dysfunctional as fuck were with androgynous and masculine women.

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The pull is too strong. Our entire sexual drive is in place to drop logic at the door just to have a chance of conceiving another member of the species. Only to feel deflated and shame directly after it. These guys won't stand a chance. They live in denial and if they meet their duties as a good partner somewhere down the road there is loving sex on the table for them. Sad.

[–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not true. Plenty of men, myself included, play the part, smash that ho and go. It's not for noobs though.

[–]ryeFL 9 points9 points [recovered]

I was glad to see the top comment at least mentioned that a man should get a background check on their potential partner before marrying. Assuming TRP isn't universally against marriage, or even if they are, it is prudent prior to a business merger for "due diligence" - a lot of men do not bother doing this, and that advice is too little, too late.

At least the person can serve as a warning to other men who have incentive not to be a chump. But now it is too late for him.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think for the most part, TRP including myself thinks you shouldn't get married, but if you must, everything must be on the table. What assets you have, how much you are making, any DEBT, etc. Everything has to be out in the open.

[–]cosine88 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The comments are unbearable.

that 17K should be viewed as a gift even if you have plans to be "paid back." This will avoid resentment and nothing kills a marriage like resentment. You need to figure out a way of letting it go. The 17K should never be brought up in arguments or as something you hold over her.


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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (8 children)

It's abusive to not hand over your entire paycheck and all earnings to her. You should ask for an allowance and she should control the money entirely.

Yeah, actually had a bitch say that to me. First ex was bipolar and horrible with money. She could waste 6k in two weeks with absolutely nothing to show for it. How, I have no idea. Fuck I can live very comfortably on about 1k a month in bills. I was in the military where a bad check written by your dependent can cost you rank, income, and all sorts of creative punishment. There was no fucking way I would give her access to my bank. That bitch said that to me after she and her husband are having three ways with my wife and making videos of it that got passed around the base.

The second one would pay my bills for me, never spent a dime without asking first, and even asked my permission to buy stuff with money she earned. Within minutes of her charging a motel room to fuck the idiot she is with now, her card was shut off and she was removed from accessing the account. She knew it would only take one fuck up, and that was a major one.

[–]dotte11 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Guys im going to PM this thread to the cuck.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very few relationships of equals work out in the real world.

In this case she is the one who has the upper end, while he'll be the manager of the finances etc, she will be the one making all the decisions leaving to him to deal with the financial ramifications.

Something very similar happened to me in my first marriage.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What a cucking idiot! That $17k could have upgraded his lifestyle very well. He paid to downgrade to beta bitch.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

just investing that money alone would've netted him a hefty profit if done right

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've said this before, and it's one of the harder RP truths to accept: Most men who are treated poorly by women deserve to be treated poorly, because they put up with that poor treatment, and even encourage it.

If women are treating you poorly, you have nobody to blame but yourself for being so weak that you're unwilling to cut them out of your life.

[–]dotte11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This is the 100% truth.

[–]vicious_armbar 5 points6 points  (1 child)

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah, and then later on in the topic, looking up and monitoring a spouse's credit score is labeled as 'creepy' and 'controlling' LOL! you cant fucking win, these people have such mad cognitive dissonace it's astonishing sometimes.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Holy shit the comments in that thread basically alleviating her of all personal responsibility and saying its his responsibility now. Really makes me angry that women have this entitlement attitude.

[–]TheWaterTemple 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Money doesn´t solve money problems.

[–]karpathian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say it depends on what kind of debt. I have a friend who has student loans from her trying to one day be a nurse and I would say that is okay as long as she still gets a nursing job. If it were an art degree or conspicuous spending like her sister's debt then I would write her off as fuck only.

[–]getRedPill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Had he done otherwise he would have been considered as an abusive husband and low person by laws and mangina fascist culture. Wouldn't he?

[–]nuesuh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, it's okay honey I still love you. Please stay.

[–]mechatron91 3 points4 points  (2 children)

When I read this post in personal finance subreddit all I could take away from the post was this. 1. She fooled him into marrying her (Women are indeed smart and cunning) 2. He is being an idiot for paying off her debt with his hard earned money.

Thank you TRP. If I hadnt discovered this sub 2 months ago my thought process would have been like this 1. This Guy is being a gentleman by paying off his woman's debt. 2. She had her valid reasons for not disclosing the loan prior to marriage.

[–]Conceited-Monkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She will suck him dry financially, while simultaneously sucking Chad dry.

[–]LasherDeviance 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When she finally gets fed up with his soft ass, she has full access to his money to clean him out behind his back and run away with the guy that she really wants.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women lie and don't take responsibility.

Beta males don't have standards or frame.

Grass is green, water is wet, more at 11

[–]sickofallofyou 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I knew a guy that married a chick that had $250,000 in credit card debt. That and she ripped of her employer for $25,000. He found out after they got married, his buisness assets got frozen, he flipped on her, they broke up, he hooked up with a pregnant crack whore and they ended up on coke, then crack, then meth, then he beat her and her big city gangster friends came looking for him and he dissapeared. I had to do a 2hr interview with homicide because that stupid bitch couldn't do A FUCKING CREDIT CHECK on his woman.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

My wife became a top cam girl, like #2 on a popular site. Men were sending her crazy amounts of money every month - not even to see her online but just to be a white knight. Said she felt guilty sometimes for recieving it, but honestly if they didn't burn it on her they would just throw it away on another woman who equally had care in the world for them.

You can't help these guys. It's a decision they are making themselves. Psychotherapy could but sadly social programs for men, or any other exclusive support are ... basically non-existent.

We are going down the path of the Japanese Hikorimori, where men who shut themselves in for 10+ years, or their entire life - is considered perfectly acceptable. Just keep bringing that paycheck home.

That's all you are good for, according to society.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Are you fine with your wife being a cam girl though?

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 0 points1 point  (3 children)

my last ex was and still is a camgirl on mfc. when we were together, she'd get packages every week with some dumb fuck buying her sex toys, clothing, books, you name it. amazon gift cards were a given, too. its insane how much money they make if they know how to control the room and if they're hot. my ex would make on average about $700 in 3 hours. half this country doesn't even make this in a week.

[–]covertpenguin3390 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy shit. Brb, going to buy a good web cam and learn how to look good jerking off.

[–]Layners87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I saw the original post on p. Finance and thought the same thing, nah I'm good on this situation lol

[–]casemodsalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man I wish I could be useless and then find a woman to pay my way.

If only society viewed penis as highly as vagina.

[–]Pervertperfecto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol "don't get married".... 😑

This was ONE girl. If you believe "not all men" are douchebags don't forget "not all women" are fucking stupid.

[–]fidelity_ 6 points6 points [recovered]

Current gf makes more than me right now and is baller at saving money. She wants to move in with me and pay all my bills. Don't worry guys not every women is like OP's case. ( Way too many are though ) actually got messaged by a mod for talking shit in that thread. How crazy is it to get married without lookin at your parters financials. I mean after a couple years of dating you should know if they suck with money or not.

The guys case he should have thought to himself, if I had 17k worth of debt and made almost 20k less a year than my partner - would she be doing this for me? Who is the prize here?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's some expensive pussy he's fucking

[–]PeanutFlavor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was getting ready to post this one, it was the first thing i saw when I woke up this morning and I face palmed at how ridiculously dumb this this dude is. This type of shit really seals it for me that there is no reason at all in this day to be married. It's a complete trap. Not at all surprised she was hiding all that in her closet until marriage, it's just a shame that women can't be adult enough to bring that out in the open BEFORE things get more serious. They spring it on you at the threshold where you can't really just bail. It's so fucking underhanded that it's fatal.

[–]Ultimate_Failure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I would've posted, which probably would get me banned:

If she's really worth keeping around, you should divorce her, let her repay her debts, then remarry her. Nothing would be lost except a little of her dignity, which is her own fault.

Most likely her debts would continue to grow, and then you could wash your hands of her and keep looking for a woman who is worthy of you.

[–]pineapple998 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I despise this type of men.

They make life hell for the rest of the men by giving their life away to random women and making women expect this from any man.

It is like you sell ice cream at 2 dollars an ice cream and next to you there comes a truly retarded and stupid guy which sells ice cream for 0.1 dollars and borrowes money from banks to cover his losses... and he is doing this to take you out of the competition.

In economic is called dumping and there are tough laws against this.

The only difference is that those pathetic men are not aware that they are doing dumping and hurting other men. And hurting themselves in doing so. They are doing all these out of stupidity not an actual economic tactic like companies.

[–]mikazee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did he also buy her a strapon so she can fuck him literally after she's done fucking him metaphorically?

[–]Windryder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted to comment on that thread yesterday when I saw it, but it was being "heavily moderated". Fuck other subreddits on this site, seriously.

As for the actual situation itself, she clearly got married so he'd have to be saddled with her debts. That's as mercenary as it comes.

[–]Bibbers95 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The saddest part about this is that towards the end he sounds like he feels as though he hasn't done enough for her. He hasn't't taught her any lessons about personal finance, the only thing he's taught her is that he'll let her get away with anything.

[–]R_A_J 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The guy honestly put himself in some pretty deep shit, Time to grow some balls.

[–]Temperfuelmma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These cucks makes me want to punch a kitten.

Fucking grow a spine.

[–]nexus974 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The power of the vag compels him...

[–]swolebird 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So what would have been the RP action to take in this case? Divorce her? Probably not the best idea.

[–]dinosauralienspirits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was hoping someone would post this.

[–]B-Dubb8 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you get married and then find out about your new partners debt do you have any legal action? Are you now bound to that debt too?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much or I assume. That's why he should have gotten a prenup.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to the opera for days ago. Turandot. This guy lays down his life for the princess of China. If he doesn't solve her three riddles, they kill him. He solves them. She's mad. He says if you can figure out my name before dawn, you can still kill me.

A slave girl who knows it refuses to confess under torture. She then commits suicide for love.

Princess is still being a bitch, so the guy tells her his name.

She decides not to kill him.

What the fuck? Your 25k is nothing. Or culture is replete with romantic idealized make sacrifice for some cunt.

Fuck that shit.

[–]Hitlers-Happy-HR-dpt 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm conflicted on this because he's already in too deep and he can't exactly kick her to the curb for this. Getting married before having financial disclosure (married at all really) was his first mistake. however now that they are married her bullshit is now his bullshit and getting the debt knocked out and off what is now part of his credit is a good idea. However, giving her access to the bank account after what is clearly a pattern of poor financial decisions was also a mistake. Allocating her an allowance could be construed as abusive in the event of divorce so I'm not really sure what the solution is. Perhaps if he made it her idea to have him allocate her part of the budget in cash without giving access to the checking or something.

[–]Johndoesmith67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there goes the first domino....

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