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Your first step toward being "your best you" is managing your body.

If you are fat, you have to drop that weight. Period. Done.

Fat people make excuses for their fat fucking asses, which makes it easier to invent excuses for their lazy lard-assed slacking in other areas of their lives.

To be fat for an extended period of time is to fail at life.

Drop that fucking weight, you fat fucking lard ass.

No bread, no sugar, no potatoes. Lots of meat and green veg cooked in real butter.

Drop the weight. I mean it.

You know your "friends" who make excuses for your disgraceful man-tits? Notice they have man-tits as well? What is this, a man-boobs contest?

Those people aren't friends. They are the other pigs lined up at the Chinese buffet beside you, pricking their fingers to see if they need any insulin to combat the breaded potato loser-snacks that they piled their plates with.

Are you really trying to win a man-boobs contest?

Coming from a position of pure love, I submit this to you:

Drop the fucking weight. Just do it. You have nothing to lose except your man-tits, and you have everything to gain.

O.k. haters, let's hear you make some excuses so you can help your fat assed brothers stay nice and floppy. Let the whinging begin!


[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we need a new flair for "Tough Love". This kind of short and powerful accountabilty thread is what many of us need to hear from time to time.

[–][deleted] 201 points202 points  (99 children) | Copy Link

In before "but I know a guy with so much game that he weighs 400 pounds and still bangs multiple supermodels a day".

[–]vagbutters117 points118 points  (82 children) | Copy Link

I always love seeing those posts, and how these types of threads are downvoted en-masse. You can tell that fat blue-pillers or overweight retards who refuse to change their physique on RP are the ones who are upset about the reality of attraction.

No women will prefer a fat guy to one that is shredded. You can't debate this any more than you can debate the wind.

[–]bigtuna4542 points43 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

I've cut out carbs for the past six weeks. I've gone through one belt and is amazingly the increase in attention I get. I am still 40 lbs away from my goal, I can't fucking wait.

[–]vagbutters18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The last pounds are always the ones that show the most (look up the toilet paper analogy in weight loss)

[–]steakhause35 points36 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Called the “paper towel” analogy, this is a brilliant way to really put the whole process of weight loss in a great and healthier perspective: The lesson to be learned is that fat, like paper towels, comes off in sheets. When you are heavy, you are big around. And when you are big around, that fat is spread over a MUCH larger area - just like that outside towel sheet.

The closer you get to the lean you, the more each lost pound of fat shows, because it is spread over a smaller area. While the outside sheet may only cover 1 layer of the roll, the inside sheet may go around 4 times. That last sheet looks like it gives you 4 times the results of the first sheet, but in reality, the results are the same - your perception is just different!

[–]interestedplayer7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

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What is this?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you are near single digit fat percentages while excising regularly you should probably not cut calories.

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is because with decreasing bodyfat %, your TDEE goes down and your body increasingly tries to prevent you from losing more weight (this is when you get close to single fat percentage).

Not only that, but your tendency to lose muscle at larger caloric deficits also increases. This is why you have to slow down and keep your calories slightly up when you're getting closer to your goal weight (albeit with adequate protein levels).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

THIS!

Much under 10% and you're backing up.

[–]RedDeadCred0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, the way through a plateau when you've already been cutting calories and exercising is to bump your calories up and dial back the exercise and maintain, maybe even gain back a couple pounds, so your body can take a break from the stress of weight loss for a bit and your hormones can all recover.

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Errr no-- nothing you said is supported by any sort of science. Seems you misread what I said.

There's no such thing as "hormone recovery." It's calories in= calories out. "Plateau's" have to do with water weight or a person eating more than they think. If you're mentally tired of dieting, that's another thing entirely, in which case you can take a break, but you're breaking your progress with every day you waste. Plateau's happen, but you break through them eventually and see the pounds come off easily. Most often, if you're attentive, it was because of water weight due to muscle inflammation, carbs, etc.

[–]showdownhero0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is only true in the sense of metabolic adaption from long term caloric deficit, you're TDEE does not go down as you lower your bodyfat in fact it's the opposite. The more muscular you are the more calories you burn

[–]poopcasso0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah dog, keep working out five times a week. Don't cut your calories. Keep working out and you'll end up shredded within reasonable time - all the while building strength and keeping your muscle mass.

[–]dudeguymanthesecond0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The closer you get to the lean you, the more each lost pound of fat shows, because it is spread over a smaller area.

Eh. Most fat loss isn't noticeable because there's still fat underneath it. The last pounds matter because you can actually start seeing muscle.

[–]MMQ426 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Completely cut out carbs? Do you feel like shit? Are you lifting? It's kinda hard to believe you still have 40lbs to lose and in six weeks you're suddenly getting extra female attention. Hope I'm wrong, congrats on the weight loss.

[–]p3n1x2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The attention goes up because of your overall behavior / body language. Not because of your "new look". Good mental health (not talked about enough) shows, women can see this better than men can. Better diet, better brain.

I am doing Keto to get over a weight loss plateau. Yes I lift, heavily, 4 days on , one day off. Do I feel like shit, no, not anymore. (50 grams of Carb, MAX per day)

Sugar is thee most addictive drug on the planet. Fix the culture in your stomach, you help your brain.

If you are starting out, the first 6 weeks can seem like the universe flipped on its head. Depending on your level of obesity, one can easily drop 20lbs in six weeks by cutting out shit foods and do some light excercise. (much of it water loss)

For many guys, 20lbs = 1 to 2 notches on the belt/waistline. New pair of pants, better attitude. Proper fitting shirt, again, new attitude.

[–]MMQ422 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Personally keto didn't really work for me as I focus on powerlifting and I need the athletic performance that carbs provide and am comfortable at 15-17% bodyfat. Right now I eat about 180-200g carbs from good sources and have been able to control my urges.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good stuff, I don't power-lift. Still getting to my desired look. I was 325 in December last year, got to 265 by May and plateaued hard. Keto got me over the hump. It really helped me kick my bad "snacking" habits. I'm still at a 20%'ish body fat.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can imagine that the difference between being looked at with disgust and being aknowlegded as a human being is a pretty huge swing for a lot of post extremely obese people.

[–]MMQ420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Namaste my man, appreciate the perspective.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can tell you, I used to be fat, as I approached normal range (but bigger) people treated me way different. I wasn't getting attention persay, but not being immediately disregarded felt like a huge change. I still want to trim another 20.

[–]bigtuna45-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have about 60 a daybtital, it's called keto. I am muscular but for. My love handles are almost gone giving mr a v taper.

[–]Mukato0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

same here! six weeks into keto and SL5x5 and enjoying the fuck out of my clothes falling off me and the massive energy boost.

[–]bigtuna450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep - it's great! Some of my clothes look like shit now which sucks, but others that haven't fit in years (or never fit) now do fit!

Keep it up dude.

[–]valdirtheblue8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've met women who insist that: 'too much muscle is off putting' 'muscle isn't everything' 'I prefer my man to have fat on him' 'I like a cute belly!'

I sit there with a smug grin because I know they are talking utter shit. Ripped and sweet creates more tingles than a dad body.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What they didnt mention is he has to be very handsome

[–]FractalFactorial20 points21 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You'd think fat chicks would have that preference, but in today's society even they think they're entitled to something better. Especially with whales like Tes Holiday and idiots forwarding the HIGH TEST meme.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women do not have preferences.

An example: All women think they have a preference for tall guys. That's laughable. They apparently assume that some woman out there has a "preference" for short guys. Nope. It's a biological imperative for women to choose high value males. It's always been this way... it's just that before the prolific spreading of obesity there were very few women who couldn't get with Chad.

Edit: What is the 'High Test meme'?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a reason fetishes are niche. Because they by definition are what is astray from the norm.

[–]Fnaut31876 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Tes Holiday

Man! Didn't know such models exist! Why do people tolerate things like "plus size models"? What is the kind of example we are setting to our future generations telling them being fat is okay?

[–]adam_varg 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Models?

I am not native, but in my language we dont call swamp pigs wrapped in monstrous sized human clothes models..

[–]iwanttoracecars0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it bad that I could tell?... just by her name.

[–]adam_varg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is.

Morbidly obese woman who cant even stand up on her own. One of her tattoo is pig.

She get some "modeling" jobs and media coverage because her face isnt ugly and doesnt carry fat.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly right, girls will rarely go with the fat looking guy over the man who is ripped, even if the ripped one has considerably less muscle mass, which is quite rare. Most fat fucks are simply that, fat fucks. Game can only help so much.

I don't make excuses, I know my belly is too big and I'm dealing with it.

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't make excuses, I know my belly is too big and I'm dealing with it.

Good on you for having the balls to admit your problem and do something about it. This one factor distinguishes you from the millions of overweight/obese beta males who are stuck in their jewish fairytale land where women "love them for who they are."

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I make no effort to hide it, due to my muscle mass I look like a brick or silverback gorilla. I've been low bf and I look much better, though still huge. I know from experience that no belly draws more female attention. There is no delusion about it, though I am surprised that I garner more female attention than I think i should. Hot young sluts still like me despite being old enough to be their father and having a belly.

[–]Eastuss6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There's still some reality with the fat dude getting the girls... Fat and body muscles are the only physical traits you can change, if you're small or have a womanly face, you have to rely on other things to raise your SMV, just like the fat dude getting the girls?

But I believe that fat dude getting all the girls is of the "bear" kind, IE tall, fat and muscular, the big tall guy that nobody wants to mess with. We're not designed to be lean, in nature fat is a sign of high survivability and strength, and so, it should be attractive to women. But of course, we know few of these, we know more about the lazy fat ones.

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

should be attractive to women

Too bad it's not. I guarantee that the few cases where girls are into those "fat dudes," it has to do with other factors (maybe he's tall and bulky-fat, with muscle beneath the fat, maybe he's rich, etc.)

[–]blackedoutfast1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's a really good point that the fat dudes that do well with girls are the bear types who look like they have muscles and fat. you never see skinny fat guys with hot girlfriends.

and from what i've seen, every one of those girls who has a fat boyfriend also has a big bear-like father that she had a good relationship with.

but even if you are a big powerlifting type guy, you can still make a huge difference by cutting body fat. every lb of fat you lose makes your game more effective.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think there is a preference thing going on here where women without a lot of options would rather have a fat dude than a scrawny one. They want a big guy and so will settle for a fat one if they can't have a buff one.

[–]Mckallidon8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can't debate attraction. You can however debate the wind. That's why meteorology is never exact. TRP is always on point.

[–]vagbutters22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can however debate the wind.

Seems that you didn't understand the meaning of the analogy at all.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

" how man time can a man turn his head and present that he just doesn't see"

[–]Chippendork0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure about this. Women are fragile beings that will do anything to protect their ego, and being with a guy that is leaner than them makes them feel like shit. So if you're seriously ripped, there are a lot less girls to choose from, and at that level of fitness, the ratio gets pretty bad. Fit girls are also notoriously insecure, and quite frankly, all girls get off on the idea of getting fucked by a dude that is much bigger than them. I honestly think that the best you can be for picking up girls is about 15% bodyfat, the point at which the fat still makes your arms look big, and your chest doesn't sag, but you don't really have any definition in your abs. Lose more than that and you start looking small. See that little ripped dude at 7% bodyfat... that same dude looks fucking huge at 15%. Extreme example: http://i.imgur.com/0Lyef0n.jpg

[–]PlanB_pedofile39 points40 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In before "but I know a guy with so much game that he weighs 400 pounds and still bangs multiple supermodels a day".

You wanna know how? He's black, raps, and sells drugs.

Gold chains and rolls of $100s. (Wealth is makeup for men. Stylin clothes is advertising "im somebody, im worth somethin")

When a girl asks "Biggy D, can you do me a favor? Pretty puhleeze " with a pouty winky

His response is "Hoe, I don't see u suckin this dick. Favors are not free."

Pretty much the 400lb guy demonstrates power, value, resources, game, direct transaction, zero white knighting, puts himself on the pedestal before any woman.

All sidebar material folks.

Don't have the above? then lose the weight

[–]church_on_white10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Point taken BUT why would anyone want to be a Biggy D?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At a certain point crafting your image he said i'd rather be Biggy D than Skinny D. Look at DJ Khaled

[–]FDFGate198913 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where are the Patrice O'neal lovers when you need them?

[–]RedDeadCred8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Famous person who practiced game for a living, still regularly talked about how hard it is being fat and getting women.

[–]EvigSoeger1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In before "it's not fair that my metabolism isn't fast/I'm not an ectomorph"

Boo hoo, cry me a river. The exact same thing goes for ectomorphic men, except flipped on its head. While you have to suck it up, exercise more and eat less, we have to suck it up, exercise less and eat more. You can lose 20 pounds in a month, if you put your mind to the task. My greatest victory yet is putting on 4 pounds of muscle in 6 months. Sure, the gains come quicker, but it's much more of an uphill battle.

[–]VanillaVeku1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if that's true, I take this post to be more about self improvement and health rather than game

[–]Luckyluke232 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

there is always an exception to the rule, that ain't you though is it?

[–]TheOtherWalternate1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why it's referred to as "The exception that proves the rule."

[–]StillRedder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what it's like over at seddit... that sub has gone to shit. For shame.

Game is a billion times easier being swole.

[–]Tuga_Lissabon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If for every extra pound he has an extra million, I'll buy it.

[–]maikcollos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah the thing about them is that they are most of the time tall due to being very well nutritioned during their childhood.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I went from 350lbs to 180lbs. I've always been smart and charming and successful; not much about my pickup skills has changed with recomp.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that no guy that fat is getting laid. Period. Unless you visually see him fuck her, he's lying.

It is very hard to adequately put into words how different the world is when you are fat vs thin.

[–]Docbear6462 points63 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Losing weight really is a solid first step to loving yourself . I have been overweight my whole life , I am the healthiest I have ever been now but still want to lose another 50lbs if I'm honest. I lost 60 lbs last year and I can't explain how strange it was embracing the mindset of loving my body. My entire life I had been ashamed of being fat, I used my humor and intelligence to get most of the women I had been with but largely I disliked the shit out of myself . Dressing and even some basic bathing principles didn't matter to me because it felt like putting makeup on a pig . a fat lump who smells good / is dressed nicely is still a fat lump .

Losing the weight opened up my eyes to a lot of things though at first the only differences I saw were the numbers of the scale slowly going down , then small things here and there, my fat creases disappearing , my pants getting looser , eventually I could see new features of my body that I really liked. I've fallen in love with my biceps .

Being a big guy through most of my life to being a smaller guy that I am now is worlds different, Women notice me more, my dick does feel bigger sometimes, I had ED issues when I was eating shitty food but now my dick pops up like I'm 18 again ( I missed you buddy) , I can go to the store, try something , and even a few times I just knew it wouldn't fit and it fit fantastically.

If you are like me and have always been overweight losing weight is the best gift that you can give yourself . My favorite motivational quote is " It won't be easy , but it will be worth it" . That's been my experience with weight loss , I won't say it was easy , I figured out how to make it work for me though and the pride and self-love losing weight has given me has helped me to foster such strong sense of love and respect for myself .

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dressing and even some basic bathing principles didn't matter to me because it felt like putting makeup on a pic . a fat lump who smells good / is dressed nicely is still a fat lump .

You nailed something here... you're spot on. I never connected this to myself but I've used that phrase a lot but had never applied it to myself in this way. This is where a fattie says to stop beating myself up, but honestly, I was a fucking pig+sloth and knew that clothes didn't fit me anyways... I just didn't know what clothes that fit looked like and knew through example that I hated fit people. I was not always fat, more so skinny-fat with shit posture, but I indeed gained 50lbs over a short time then lost it and am now in the best shape of my life (for background).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fashion is nothing without Fitness. It's the reason every model and mannequin are the ideal body type - it's also the reason no guys approach a fat woman with a Burberry jacket and a Chanel bag. You're wasting money on fashion if you're still 40+lbs overweight.

As actionable advice, I'd recommend you get by with the necessities and shop at fast-fashion places (H&M, etc) until you're in shape enough to spring for nice clothes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True that, in fact I've noticed I can shop anywhere and get compliments on it. Part of it is not wearing many labels, except on accessories which will make any v-neck look HAWT with a David-bod... I'm already on board with your advice, thanks! (should say past the need unless I bulk big time, but did it!! woohoo ;)

[–]Battle-Scars110 points111 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

The people I respect the most at the gym are the men and women who are overweight. They are the ones who decided to get off the couch and the Cheetos and at least try.

[–]RGIIIsus15 points16 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I get what you mean, but I have more respect for those who have had to the discipline to never let themselves get to that point. Like I have respect for addicts that put in the work to get out, but I respect the ones who never let themselves get to that point more.

[–]vagbutters86 points87 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

but I have more respect for those who have had to the discipline to never let themselves get to that point.

That's an easy thing to say when you weren't raised with terrible eating habits. When you are taught from childhood to eat garbage, not exercise, and have no self-confidence, you're set back in life bigtime.

What you're saying is just as silly as blaming a blue-pill man for being an indoctrinated fat manchild when he has never had any red pill influence in his life. You need to get a taste of the other side to know that it exists.

[–]patrickkcassells-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

For some people, it really isnt a choice. i say that as someone who has never been more than a little overweight.

I know a guy, Jacob. Comitted as hell to the gym, eats really well, if anything not enough.

He just doesnt lose the weight. For some people, its a lot harder. It's impossible for no one, but for some people, its a lot harder than you could imagine.

[–]ssr4013 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Unlikely. Try following him around for week and actually weighing and counting everything he consumes.

[–]patrickkcassells-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Jesus christ, do you really believe that all people can just easily lost weight?

[–]ssr4010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I really believe that all people can lose weight by eating less. This is literally the easiest possible thing: just put down the fork. Of course it requires some discipline...

[–]patrickkcassells0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know the dude, ive seen him starve himself.

Hes not some 400lb lard-ass, he's just got that sort of "husky" extra weight. I'd agree if he was huge.

[–]ssr4010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're claiming that if he was trapped on a desert island with no food that he wouldn't lose weight?

[–]Jolly-rancher35936 points37 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

My mom spends hours on end after work just watching TV. She's gotten fatter and bulkier over the years but today she came on a forty minute walk with me. I'm very concerned about her weight and I want to encourage her to eat healthier or do some exercise but she is legitimately addicted, and I don't know how to get through to her.

Any advice on how to get her to lose the weight? I don't want to lose my mom to an early death. :(

[–]vagbutters19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can empathize with your position since I'm in the exact same spot as you. Fortunately I've gotten my mom to lose 20 pounds in the past 4 months-- I did this by getting her on a diet plan and encouraging her to stick to it on weekdays, allowing for 2 weekend days where she's allowed to "cheat" and eat at maintenance. You have to sit down and teach her to log her calories; exercise is good, but it's a bonus. Remember that diet is king when it comes to weight loss.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No real advice but I know how you feel. My mom almost drank herself to death. After years of me pretty much begging her to stop, it took her sister actually drinking herself into an early grave for my mom to give it up. Sometimes it takes a big shock for someone to realize what they are doing to themselves. Just being available to go for a walk with her and reminding her how much fun it is to get outside may be all it takes. Change takes time.

[–]church_on_white4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My mom was put on ADHD meds and it's changed her life in terms of weight trouble.

[–]Bwaaarp 14 points14 points [recovered] | Copy Link

YES TO BUTTER, this is the 3rd time I've lost the same 40lbs. First time I've done it on the ketogenic diet. My blood work has never been better, my dick has never been harder, I don't feel hungry... ever. I still go out and have days or nights on refined, starchy, simple carbs but I've got full control and it doesn't feel like I'm on borrowed time until I'm a fat piece of shit again I also use tactical insulin spiking for the anabolic effects it has by spiking my blood sugar shortly before a heavy workout. Fuck the food pyramid, listen to your body, get educated, spin plates and get paid. I love you cunts

[–]slay_it_forward6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I said a long time ago for all you fat fucks to go keto and all I got was shit for it.

[–]Bwaaarp4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

12 months ago i would have been the dumb fat fuck giving you shit for it. sorry about that. keep up the good fight.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We love you too you sick fucking cunt!

[–]1GroundhogLiberator28 points29 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

I had a busy day at work last week and didn't get a chance to eat lunch. I probably went about 12 hours without eating. I was definitely hungry, but it wasn't the end of the world.

It got me thinking about how insane it is that people think they need to have a full stomach 24/7. I'm pulling this number out of my ass, but I'd say that 90% of the people who ever lived never had their stomach full for more than a few days at a time - and if they did eat their fill, it was because they had spent hours busting their ass hunting or foraging or harvesting.

[–]Cenki19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

this dude I know who is totally a mayo monster I gave him a plan to cut calories by giving him a strict diet that I had used to cut. It involves a quest bar for breakfast, a 6 inch subway sub for lunch made of turkey or chicken, and holy fuck before I even got to dinner he is arguing that nobody can eat just a 6 inch subway sandwich. He said "if I don't get the 12 im going to go hungry". I kept calling him an idiot asshole. Then he started fighting on no chicken or turkey.

I realized that you can't save fats.

[–]PM_me_your_fistbump9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

"if I don't get the 12 im going to go hungry"

Then what? So you're going to be hungry. Be hungry.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hunger is an alert. Not a command

[–]cuntweiner6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Seems obvious right? Being hungry is literally how you lose weight. There's no trick that makes you feel full while eating a deficit. You just get used to hunger.

[–]Dr_Villain8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You don't have to be hungry though. A high fiber and high protein diet will keep most people feeling satisfied while eating under their TDEE.

[–]IDefyAxioms5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

See, this is the part that I have issue with. If you're actively hungry then you're missing some macronutrient because your diet isn't balanced the way it needs to be.

You can't study, work, etc. when you're missing a key nutrient and your body isn't getting what it needs to function optimally.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That only helps so much. At some point You will hit a wall in progress if you won't ever let yourself ignore hunger and push through.

Our bodies are evolved to not let go of fat without a fight.

[–]Dr_Villain2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it could be, but it can also be poor diet planning. Short chain carbohydrates are metabolized faster than long chain ones or other macronutrients, so naturally you'll get hungry sooner eating potatoes than eating quinoa. Not saying potatoes are bad, just that they are metabolized faster. Also there's more fiber in quinoa which helps you feel full for longer.

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This. The number one block to me cutting was this mental block of not wanting to be hungry. Then I started intermittent fasting plus low carb and I've dropped 40 lbs in 3 months.

No matter how you skew your diet towards filling foods (protein, fiber, complex carbs) it only helps so much. At some point you are going to feel hungry and you're going to have to deny yourself.

[–]TheOtherWalternate2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used t be the same way. Full 12 inch sub and my brain was telling me I need more. Now 115lbs down and halfway through a 6 inch sub and I'm almost full. What gave me the push was doing a 16/8 intermittent fasting regimen. That helped me get used to be hungry and realizing it is not a bad thing.

[–]Mckallidon16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most Americans don't know what hunger really is. I laugh at the bros talking about it when they're cutting. Go buy a homeless man lunch, you'll see fucking hungry.

[–]interestedplayer5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

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What is this?

[–]jimmiepop0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

12 fuckn hours??

Don't be a bitch. McCrystal ate once a day while running JSOC and AFG. Many of the gym bros now intermittent fast 18/6.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well i mean fasting while sleeping is pretty fuckin ez

[–]1GroundhogLiberator3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have enough discipline that I can eat at a deficit/maintenance without having to structure my diet around one sickeningly large meal daily.

I've gone almost 30 years eating 3 meals per day. There's no reason to change that if I'm eating moderate portions of healthy food.

[–]Mckallidon4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do 3 meals/day. Small breakfast, bigger lunch, small dinner. Same times everyday. Very regular rotation of the same boring foods. Does wonders. My diet is all very digestible food and foods that don't bog you down so I am actually relatively hungry by the time each meal rolls around. If I want to cut Cals I just remove 1 item from each meal, if I want more Cals I add 1 item to each meal. It's not exact but it works. That warrior diet shit never worked for me. Everything was always out of balance.

[–]offthebeatmeoff25 points26 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I hate the stereotype of the smart well read fat guy. Being fat is the dumbest thing you can do. Cardiovascular health is directly connected to brain health. You're brain is always sucking in constant amounts of blood and is the biggest consumer of calories in your body (pound for pound). Having good cardiovascular health will improve brain function. Exercise has also been show to the formation of neurons in the hippocampus leading to the idea that exercise can improve memory.

You have over 100 million neurons in your gut. The enteric nervous system is massive. Over 50% of dopamine and serotonin is stored there. The connections you're enteric system has to your brain is massive. Treat it well and eat right. If you love yourself then take care of yourself. No one else can do it for you.

[–]Docbear649 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Another great point , I always thought I was a smart motherfucker but me on a ketogenic diet is a whole other level . I felt like I took the limitless drug at first there was just so much clarity and it was a lot easier for me to make decisions and weigh decisions against each other . A better heart definitely makes for a better brain .

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[–]marplaneit4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You reduce your carbohydrates inta to almost 0, that forces the liver to use the ketogenic bodies to distribute energy to the body. There are 3 ways to distribute energy, fatty acids, glucose, and keto bodies. Keto bodies are made off fatty acids... Why do we make keto bodies? Cause fatty acids cannot pass through the hemato-encefalic barrier, so you cannot "feed" the brain. Sugar levels are kept at a minimum metabolizing proteins.

Unless you have diabetes type 1, don't worry for keto-acidosis as it has negative feedback loop with insulin.

If you have any question feel free to ask I'm not a doctor, but a med student so it may be helpful.

[–]offthebeatmeoff2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for you man. I recently dramatically cut carbs and I'm not going back either. I feel pretty fantastic as well.

[–]3chazthundergut17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, as a morbidly obese man (300 lbs) I have to say that I agree with most of what you're saying. It is a real problem, and it has certainly had a devastating effect on my (non-esistant) sex life.

[–]Docbear643 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I weighed more than you at one point , all you need is to give yourself a goal even a short term goal . stick to it , log your results and see if you don't find a moderate success. before losing 60 I told myself I would just be happy to lose 10 because up until that point in my life the scale had ALWAYS been going up ... and up ... and up. after losing 10 and making more adjustments slowly I got to 12 , then 15 , and now 60 and I've made plenty of mistakes/ had cheat days / but when I was committed I was fucking unshakable. If I can do it I believe that truly anyone can .

[–]slay_it_forward0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Force yourself to go keto for 30 days and walk 2 hours every day. You can build from there.

[–]bigcitytruth8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cut sugar, add fiber. Download a fitness app to audit your meals and to take charge. Google your daily calories for your goal weight, and the macro ratio that suits you. Learn to cook (hell, even the microwave is okay, as long as you hit your macros). If you can't even do this, then you are hopeless. PS: it's not your thyroid or your parents that made you fat. It's the french fries and beer.

[–]Bolt_Ironstag6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yep, used to be obese. Now I'm fat, but not for much longer. My biggest regret is how much of my life I missed out on.

[–]SeekingTheWay4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Upvoting. Everybody needs to read this. I have lost 4 years of my life being fat. I am disgusted by the person I was.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good hustle, brother.

Keep it up!

[–]yayaja675 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post, tough but positive. It's a hard lesson for a lot of us life long fatsos to hear, but an important one. I've been able to drop my BF by around 2-3% in the past year, but I have a long way to.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRUTH! TRUTH! TRUTH! My lazy ass has to lose about 30lbs!

[–]PM_Pics_of_Your_Muff5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I needed to hear. Thanks!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My dad has always been overweight, even as a kid. I've always been a healthy weight for whatever reason. He's only gotten bigger as he's aged and I'm really worried about his health. He's almost 60 and has probably gained 50 more lbs over the past 10 or 15 years so I would say he's obese now.

He is convinced that he's always been fat and that's just the way it is. He thinks he's not capable of losing weight. He was also bullied as a kid about it so it's a sensitive subject.

He doesn't eat breakfast or lunch, ever. He comes home from work and eats 2-3 giantic plates (I'm talking mountains) full of the food my mom makes, a dessert, and snacks on stuff usually while watching tv til he goes to bed. He doesn't exercise minus manual labor at work.

Is this a lost cause? I would like to convince him to lose weight for his own good but I don't know how to go about it. His doctor is also overweight so I'm afraid he won't push him to lose weight. Any advice would be welcome.

[–]bigcitytruth11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The meals are made by your mom. Convince her to make changes.

[–]LosingMoneyAllDay[🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Would you take financial advice from somebody with no money?

Why does your dad have a fat doctor?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because his fat doctor allows him to remain fat

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg...its called being curvy /s

If women can use this, so can men...

I've had flat out arguments with other about how being fat can endanger your health.

"Oh, well I'm a big person, but ny doctor says I'm 100% healthy!"

Let's see them say that when you need emergency surgery and the fat is around the organs they need to get to, guess what?

Exactly. You only got one body. Take care of it.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

There's nothing wrong with potatoes

[–]Fort-Wahnee14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeaaaa I eat shit tons of potatoes and have one of the lowest body fat percentages of anyone I know personally. Baked potatoes all fukin day.

[–]Bwaaarp 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy Link

congrats on having an efficient insulin response but metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance is still a huge problem for most overweight people living in parts of the world where refined or simple carbohydrates are everywhere. Potatoes still have quite a high GI rating and should generally be avoided by those looking to not generate a insulin spike which will halt or slow the bodies burning of fat. I'm not gonna say any food is bad because food is just food and simple starchy carbohydrates are critical to the nutritional requirements of developing nations. But living in a time and place of choice/abundance, food is a tool to health and knowledge is more important to weight loss than self-hate and guilt.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

A medium potato has roughly only 110 calories.

I think the problem is that most people like to throw them in the deep fryer, and then dip them in more carbs

[–]Bwaaarp 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

How many times have you eaten an unseasoned boiled potato? but i think even still there is another level to your point. Can you do me a favour and imagine this scenario... You see dozens of people running into a room one after another, you find this intriguing and follow them in. Once in the room you notice that the room is packed full of people and more keep flowing in with only a few leaving every other minute. You turn to one of the people in the room and and say "why are there so many people in here?" to which they respond "because there's more people entering than are leaving, DUH!". I think you can see where i'm going here. Whether we eat, shit, fight, fuck, love or sleep our bodies are signalled by hormones. Insulin is a hormone that tells our bodies when to store fat and by consuming the recommended daily intake of starchy, low fibre carbohydrates (50-60% according to the USDA 3 times a day) A large part of the population will be induced into a cycle of continuous fat storage because their bodies can't store fat fast enough for it to be available for energy before their glycogen levels in their liver and muscles deplete meaning that they are stuck in a cycle of Low energy/ hungry > Eat carby food > glycogen "top-up" in liver and muscles > excess carbs trigger long ineffective insulin "spike" storing excess energy as fat for hours after meal> High insulin won't allow access to fat stores for bodies energy > glycogen stores deplete below comfortable level > Low energy/ hungry> eat more carbs because want energy and fat is bad> Insulin spike even less effective than before causes the blood sugar to continue to climb so the pancreas pumps even more insulin into the bloodstream to stop you dying but also meaning it will be around even longer than the last spike> repeat many years> fat cunt> self hate> "get self discipline speech">watch motivational youtube/inspo shit and keep telling yourself that you just eat too much and do too little that everyone else thinks about food the same way you do and that your not really hungry or tired because you only just ate, how can you be hungry again? god dammit your a piece of shit just try and concentrate on your work you just had your oatmeal, toast and juice as per every wholesome Hollywood breakfast image ever, okay morning tea i guess i'll have a banana and a muesli bar, almost lunch... easy, aaaand now you had subway two hours ago, ok whatever just eat those subway cookies, oh good an energy boost... i can think and function again, ok well now you've got the old "four thirty-itis" guess you can have some noodles and a wholegrain ham sandwich. fuck, ok almost dinner, cool pastas for dinner, fuck im tired I just can't be fucked going to the gym, i'll just browse redpill and try to be a better man tomorrow, oh look i'm a lazy piece of shit on here too, A potato only has 110 cals and i don't boil it, peel it an eat it by itself. god dammit fatboy that's what the others do! why can't you be like them? maybe you have ADD? you lose your concentration so quickly?

nahh fuck that noise. 4 hour keto eating window. no cravings. no energy dips. food is just food and is just an after thought in my day. For me i say fuck carbs I came from a poor family got started young and they've controlled my best years. I am only this year discovering how my body really works and how to listen to it. Honestly if your body handles carbs like a champion then i hope it does that the exactly same way for the rest of your life and your kids have the same luck. Put me in front of a deep fried, sauced up bucket of fries these days and it will taste just as good as it did a year ago and If you dare me i may fill up on them but my body will say to me afterwards "oi cunt I feel like shit" and I won't feel like going back anytime soon when I know how fucking good i'll feel after after 3 days of steak, butter, broccoli, bacon, eggs and spinach.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I put a little butter on it. No biggie.. Calories in calories out.. I've maintained decent six packs eating potatoes.

Once at a low body fat you almost need carbs.. And potatoes are a good source because of potassium

[–]verify_account 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You are not above the laws of thermodynamics.

Calories IN > Calories OUT.

You can lose weight on junk food. Just count your calories and stop this stupid meme diet bullshit.

[–]freethinker340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not that simple, a calorie is not a calorie. That's a very old system of looking at things and it has been debunked. Your body processes a calorie of protein much differently than it does a calorie of sugar.

[–]vagbutters15 points16 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

The skin of potatoes has some good vitamins/minerals, but it's basically all carbs. Decent as a bulk food, but for diets you'd be wiser to go with protein-fat heavy food items as opposed to a whole potato (assuming you're on a very small calorie budget).

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Best cut I ever did was eating potatoes.. As long as you don't throw them in the deep fryer they are pretty decent.. Just as good as oatmeal as far as I'm concerned

[–]Mckallidon4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Oatmeal is way better than potatoes. Much slower release and it's too hard to overeat oatmeal. I could eat lbs of mashed potatoes and gravy.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

mashed potatoes and gravy.

Well who told you to add gravy?? You Canadian or something?

[–]Mckallidon2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

'Murican! You're thinking Poutine breh. Canadians don't mash their potatoes. You can't dip them in mayo that way lol.

My grandfather was Canadian. He didn't eat potatoes until he moved to the states. Mostly venison, carrots and turnips. But he lived in East Bumfuck in a cabin without power or running water.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I went to Windsor Canada once.. Those fuckers poured gravy on everything..

First fast food place we went to, "would you like gravy on your French fries sir?"

"Ummm, seriously?"

[–]Mckallidon2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol. It's to make up for the fact that their bacon is actually ham lol. Gravy fries are big here in Western NY, but Buffalo is right next to Canada and my city is still relatively close. A lot of Toronto influence here that people don't even realize. Poutine is big around my parts, along with hockey and Canadian beers. I never imagined gravy on mashed wasn't normal elsewhere. It's a very common thing anywhere I have been in the US. Cheeseburgers smothered with gravy used to be a thing here when I was younger lol. But that is nothing. We smother everything with meat where I live.

If you think that is bad, Rochester NY's culinary gift to the world is "The Garbage Plate". It's a styrofoam box filled with home fries, Mac salad, 2 burgers or hotdogs, and topped with a heaping scoop of "hot sauce", which is Texas chili. Yes, our hot sauce is scoops of cheap greasy ground beef and spices. Just ground beef, onions garlic, and spices lol. It is always made with the cheapest, shittiest, fattiest ground beef. People put that on everything here too. Hotdogs, burgers, fries with cheese and bacon. Anyways, It's like 3lbs of greasy fatty food in a box smothered in more grease. Drunk people love them. They swear it prevents a hangover. I swear you get too sick to notice.

Many people who eat them get severe abdominal pain and the shits like they're going to die, and are diabeetus as fuck. If you put one in the fridge and let it harden, you can plop it out of the box solid because the grease cements all the little pieces together when it is cold. Eating it is a right of passage for locals and transplants. Many eat it regularly. And yes, people get them with three beef patties and bacon. Or two beef patties and 2 hotdogs lol. With extra hot sauce. After drinking 2000 Cals of cheap shitty Genesee beer. Last I heard most standard "plates" are like 1500 Cals.

Anyone who isn't getting enough Cals for their muscle growth should just move to Rochester. It's nothing but colleges, bars, restaurants and gyms lol. All people do here is drink, eat and fuck. A "Hots" place in every neighborhood, in every town, on every street. 1500 Cals in a box for $8.

[–]Elohirnok1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Live in Rochester, can confirm.

[–]walnut_of_doom3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oatmeal tastes like sadness but holy shit is it filling. 1 cup dry is 300 calories but is more satiating than anything short of an equivalent amount of calories in leafy greens.

[–]Mckallidon4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol tastes like sadness. I buy this fancier heartier stuff that is ok. Quaker or quick oats suck. Don't even bother. They've been stripped of most nutrition and flavor.

But yeah they're a powerhouse. I eat oats in the morning as well as yogurt. And I eat yogurt three times a day with oat bran. I've noticed a major improvement in my body since I started eating oats and gave up bread.

I make mine with goat milk, a very small bit of maple syrup and cinnamon, lots of chopped dates and some chia seeds. I work and shit like a horse! It's a damn meal. And the dates really make up for the sadness lol.

I also run mine through a blender real quick before I cook it so it's more digestible and I get zero bloat.

I load my yogurt with oat bran. Incredible shit. That's where most of the nutrition is. Toasted oat bran is also a great substitute for breadcrumbs in many recipes. More flavor and better nutrition.

Oats are a staple for me. You can toast them to get a lot more flavor from them, but I gave up eventually bc life is short. I'm a chef so I am so over food at this point. I have cooked and eaten amazing shit for so long that I can eat plain lettuce or a bowl of plain spinach as respite lol. I only see food as money or fuel at this point in my life. Bring the sadness lol.

[–]walnut_of_doom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll give it a whirl, thanks.

[–]PM_me_your_fistbump1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Pour your dry oatmeal into a Tupperware, add milk instead of water. Put a little honey on the top, and/or yogurt/peanut butter/fresh fruit. Let it sit overnight in the fridge. Eat in the morning.

It's called overnight oats, and the process (don't forget toppings!) neutralizes the sadness.

[–]walnut_of_doom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll have to give that a try, thanks.

[–]vagbutters1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Best cut I ever did was eating potatoes

Did you measure your muscle mass along the way? I'm interested to hear how much you lost along the way (assuming you weren't getting adequate protein elsewhere).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It was a steak and potato diet so I didn't lose much muscle at all

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That sounds pretty good, but how much steak were you eating per day? Couldn't have been cheap I imagine.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

About a pound.. I can afford it

[–]Mckallidon3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I cannot eat potatoes because I'm sensitive to nightshade plants. I eat a lot of beets and turnips. If people ate beets like potatoes there wouldn't be nearly as much obesity. Once you're already fat you're way more sensitive to the carb addiction and many people cannot keep their spud portions in check. Beets are an incredible recovery food.

[–]PM_me_your_fistbump0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Can you make baked beets with butter, cheese, and green onions? Or mashed beets with gravy? Serious question - if it works I'll try it.

[–]Dr_Villain2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beets with ground beef, broccoli, cream, and blue cheese baked in the oven is absolutely delicious. Replace cream with milk and eggs for a low energy alternative.

[–]Mckallidon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gravy yes. At least for me. I like turkey gravy and parsley on them. I eat a lot of beets. Goat cheese, dill, lemon all pair well with beets. It depends on your palette. I eat plain lettuce or spinach and eat plain roasted beets.

Borscht is the best way to bring them into your diet regularly IMO. You can make a lot to eat all week. A good beef broth, some caramelized onions and carrots and cabbage with dill, garlic and lemon juice garnished with fresh parsley. I also sometimes use a turkey neck broth I make too. I skip the spuds or beans. Skip the tomato like many online recipes IMO. Less is more with Borscht IMO. If you roast the beets and carrots low and slow, and make this soup and purée it, it is heaven, but very time consuming.

Also. Veggie chips. Slice them thin and cook at 200 degrees until crisp. Beet chips are pretty good this way. Just toss in Olive oil and some salt and pepper before you cook them. Takes a few hours.

[–]Docbear641 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't know about beets but mashed cauliflower when prepared correctly can taste almost as good as mashed potatoes ( i bet especially with gravy) . The only noticeable difference in it is the texture. even the creamiest mashed cauliflower i've had was slightly more grainy than the texture you become used to for mashed potatoes.

[–]Mckallidon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Roasted cauliflower tastes better IMO. Low and slow with lots of browning. Gets real sweet.

[–]TRP_TEX 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

A healthy human diet consists of 60% carbohydrates.

Edit: I am getting my degree in health fitness. This is literally what we are taught at University. Trust broscience all you want, but when it comes down to it, you need carbs. My body building coach (who trained with Ronnie Coleman) even told me that my diet needs to be at minimum 50% carbs.

[–]1SeemedGood3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on the person. I love carbs, but they're really bad for me in all forms except fruits and nuts/seeds.

As much as I enjoy pasta with red meat sauce, even small portions just wrecks my stomach, digestion, and energy level. Same with bread, potatoes, beer, etc.

I do best on meat, good fats, and low-carb veg.

[–]recon_johnny0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, you don't need 60% carbs. I also work with JDRF.

Keto has been a lifesaver for many people. The insulin spikes that come from high levels of carbs (and types of carbs) is prevented with this kind of diet. Burn fat, not carbs.

[–]Endorsed Contributorthelandofdreams0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sweet potatoes are better I've heard

[–]PissedPajamas3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth be told I was 270lbs once and life dramatically improved when I dropped to 185lbs 12% BF, for starters I can look down and see my dick

[–]ManowaR148810 points11 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Sugars effects on the brain are similar to cocaine. Some people have addictive personalities and it's just not so easy. Look at the people who struggle with it their whole lives, It's exactly the same as a drug addiction. It's so bad sometimes that these people get depressed and even commit suicide. It's easy to say "put down the fork fatass" when you're not dealing with it everyday and it fucking up almost all aspects of your daily life. It's easy for me to tell a smoker to just PUT DOWN THE CIGARETTE/NEEDLE! when I'm not addicted.

It's not just an issue of will power for everybody. Sugar is a addictive public health hazard.

Head on over to /loseit or /progresspics once in a while and read what's written by those who have lost(alot) of weight, the comments supporting them sounds like they're straight out of an AA/Drug addiction support group meeting. They are so happy to have overcome something so challenging in their lives that it's like they won the fucking lottery sometimes.

[–]stawek4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Everything is addictive. Stop making excuses.

If they have "addictive personalities" I advise getting addicted to exercise (yes, it is possible).

[–]cuntweiner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Today was the first time I went for a run on my rest day, eight days in a row for me, 6 miles a day. I just had to do it though, I needed to get my heart rate pumping and get drenched in sweat. I'm definitely addicted now, and I never would have imagined myself getting to this point when I first started.

[–]IDefyAxioms0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're referring to runner's high, not everyone can actually get that. It's all based on your genetics if those neurotransmitters are hit with those chemicals.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You make a great point. It is hard, really hard. No matter what though, you have to do it if you want to ever meet the best version of yourself. There's no other option.

[–]Cerebral_Moss 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

But they're also fucking losers. At the end of the day, you make the decision to change or stay the same. It's not rocket science, it's calories in, calories out. These days everyone complains about how hard their life is and it's all bullshit. I don't care what your issues are, you man the fuck up and deal with them. When I get pushed down I stand back up and push back. Just seeing you post this has me riled up and the gyms near me aren't open 24 hours so fuck you man. 😠💉

[–]ManowaR148810 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Now who's making excuses? Go do some convict conditioning if the gyms aren't open

[–]Cerebral_Moss 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Thanks for the reality check. Time to get to work.

EDIT: Also, fight me irl.

[–]ManowaR14880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

heres a soundtrack for it. GO GET EM TIGER!

EDIT: Ok

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro I laughed so hard at this.

[–]adam_varg -1 points-1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Sugar craving is nowhere near as severe as cocaine or meth addict craving.

That is just rationalization ammunition for weeklings.

Yes you get sugar cravings, some people more severe than others. But if you wanna compare it to drugs keep it levelheaded. Your average fatty feel drawn to shitfood as much as your average recreational coke user on mondays. Fatty is just weakling with no discipline and selfesteem.

[–]Eternasphere2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Following my most recent breakup 6 months ago I began hitting the gym. Lost 40 lbs of fat and gained about 12 in muscle. The weight loss is the result of strict diet planning and hitting the stationary bike for 50-150 calories per session for at least 4 days a week.

My diet consists of a high protein breakfast of sausages eggs and mushrooms, and my dinner is usually fish and potato salad/rice. In between or around these meals is when I try to get the nutrients i'm missing so i'll snack on carrots, broccoli, bananas, etc.

[–]tedcase2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does stupid make you fat, or does fat make you stupid?

[–]rumovoice2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with potatoes? I thought they are healthy

[–]OXHockey232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's worse is that in my country the taxpayers have to pay for the sweaty feckless whale-people's medical bills to prevent them from succumbing to their 10 Gregs sausage rolls a day habit.

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[–]Akela_hk6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eat less. Don't listen to them when they tell you not to finish your food. I am born to immigrants, well educated, but eating habits are almost totalitarian. When I was younger "it's time for dinner" meant "get the fuck over here and eat with the family or we'll feed you to the pigs." Turns into eating when not hungry. I'm in my late 20's now and I control when and how much I eat. Also sugar is basically crack. You WILL eat it, but do everything you can to avoid it and it will work wonders for you. Processed and low fat food is also infamous for sugar content. Try to avoid it

[–]autoNFA2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eat less of what they give you. Push them for vegetables and healthy options in carbs and protein if they don't buy them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

being fat is contagious. figure out your macros for a cut, and start counting religiously. if you're sitting at the table and they pressure you to eat more, say no. if they still pressure you, say you have to go to the bathroom and play on your phone while shitting.

[–]stawek0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everytime you get your dinner leave half the carbs on the plate. Eat all the protein/veggies.

If there isn't enough protein on your plate regularly, get your allowance and buy a tub of protein shake - if your meal has less than 20g protein (roughly 100g of lean meat) have a scoop to cover the deficit.

Hit the gym, hard. Focus on compound lifts full body workouts 3 times a week, cardio on the remaining days. I advise to join any martial arts gym as the way to do cardio - it can be boxing, bjj, kickboxing, anything really. It will work wonders for your body and confidence levels.

[–]mancozbi4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a fan of TRP (women, even feminists, aren't the enemy), but this post is first rate. Alpha male fights the fat.

[–]GC0W303 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

(women, even feminists, aren't the enemy)

We don't think they're the enemy, aside from the anger phase guys who don't really get it.

We view women's nature as equivalent to weather.

Their nature is there, it is what it is, and it is just something we can work choose to engage with productively by having appropriate responses.

Why get mad at something that's part of nature?

I don't hate sharks, but I know that being in some places at some times doing some things is a good way to get shark bites.

I don't hate weather, but I still wear heavy clothes when the temperature is low and I'll be outside for an extended period.

Same with women. They're not the enemy, you just have do things that will result in positive outcomes with them... or not bother if they're not a fit for your life.

You reference feminists as not being the enemy. They're not quite the enemy, except politically. Aside from politics, the wise path is not to engage because they bring nothing positive to the table justifying the high effort involved in romance with them most of the time. They're needlessly hard to interact with positively.

I still wish them well, I still hope they enjoy their days, I'm just not getting close because me interacting with them isn't going to make anyone happy.

[–]LidlKwark1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are you here? Just curious.

[–]AnjaJutta5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no need for "haters" or "excuses". Sugar is an addictive substance, measured to be 8 times stronger than cocaine. A fat person is an addict as much as a smoker or an alcoholic. Battling addiction is difficult but not something that can't be done. What personally helped me shed tons of pounds and brought me to a good place in my life was taking up dancing and cycling.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Guys, you can eat potatoes. They're pretty good for you actually, and great on a budget. Everything is spot on.

[–]bigcitytruth3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They're good but a bit carby and have little fiber. Beans are a better side, and have a ton more nutrients.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

And make you fart a shit load. I wouldn't say they're a better side for everybody. They definitely don't provide enough carbs for the serious athlete.

[–]bigcitytruth0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fiber reduces arterial plaque buildup. It also regulates absorption of cholesterol. Pure gains are moot when you're looking at a stroke or heart attack at age 50 due to decades of low fiber intake. Look up info on fiber and heart disease, it's quite sobering.

The toots tend to lessen once your gut flora adjusts to the extra fiber. But yes, in that first month, you're gonna clear some rooms. But consider you're already used to the aftermath of whey protein, which could curl paint.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cruciferous veggies bro, all day. Fiber isn't hard to get, it's in most everything else you should be eating outside of flesh. Also check out Rhonda Patrick on the jre podcast. She's smart as fuck and explains the truth about cholesterol in an easy to understand way.

[–]bigcitytruth1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep cruciferous are great. But broccoli and cabbage definitely still add to the wind symphony though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you aren't having "protein farts", you aren't doing it right.

[–]OneInAZillion3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would you mind making another one of these except instead of "fat", you replace it with "skinny as a god damned twig" ?

[–]Akela_hk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent post and on point. I disagree with the potato thing though. As long as it fits your macros for a caloric deficit, you'll be fine. I've lifted for years and have gone off and on with proper dieting. The quality of pussy slain is directly proportional to your fatness, I know from experience.

[–]onehardtard1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Any advice on getting the mind set? I'm a fat ass and I just lose motivation easily. I don't exactly have money for a gym membership and it's kind of hard to find time with two kids. But I really want to lose 100lbs. I just keep making some excuse. I'm also horrendously addicted to porn. I started reading TRP posts because I wanted to change but wanting to and doing is two different things.

[–]Bigcasanova0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Start by just watching what you eat , if you are more than 100 lbs overweight just go ahead and drop all processed foods , try to stick with just meat and vegetables , and if you can manage it ( you can) walk for 30 mins to an hour a day . Depending on how overweight you are the first 30-40 lbs will drop off quickly , then it gets a little more challenging but also way more rewarding .

[–]SeekingTheWay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

By cooking yourself instead of eating in restaurants/fastfoods, you not only save tremendous amount of money but also directly control the healthiness of your diet.

Then use the saved money for gym membership.

[–]Bigcasanova1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd take this even a step further. This applies not only to the lazy fucks with man boobs ( disgusting ), but guys like me . I have nice big shapely pecs and big arms ... and a gut to go with it . All that muscle isn't going to jack shit for you if you aren't lean . So whether you are a skinny fat couch potato , or a fat weightlifter , drop the Weight .

[–]yummyFunTime[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ever since I lost weight (went Primal, which is a offshoot of Paleo) I've been happier and less annoyed by small dumb shit.

I went from 240lbs at 5'10" to 175lbs with just walking and dieting. Cut the sugar, shop in the meats/veggies, maybe have a dark chocolate bar (80% cacao) for something sweet.

I was 31, and by 32 I went from that fat whiny asian nerd to a slim asian nerd with a new body fit wardrobe and a better attitude (currently 36). Girls started talking to me again (I was 185 lbs in college) and I liked being me.

I wish my current roommates would make the change that OP is saying. They'll cook tons of food (Gravy N Biscuits, Lasagna, Mexican Corn) then get bored and leave leftovers in the fridge. There are literally 3 weeks worth of food that just gets left in the fridge to waste because they become "bored" by what's in the fridge.

If I say "you should cut down on sugar" the whining, moaning and excuses just flows like shit from a sewage spout. The mindset of making excuses for shitty environment/lifestyle is ingrained too deep.

If it was just that, I wouldn't mind, but it spills over into daily chores or just keeping the place clean. They are both fucking slobs. The living room and their rooms are just stuffed with Man Child nerd toys (i.e. figures, legos, etc) and piles of clothes strewn across the floors. I rarely hang out at the house other than my room because of the "Toy Encroachment" happening everywhere. The idea of even having casual FBs or even actual friends over seems horrifying to me because of just how gross the place is.

I don't even want to talk about the bathroom. Being the only person who even cleans is ridiculous.

The few times I've hung out with them outside for walks (down by Pike's Place or the Waterfront in Seattle), it feels like it takes 3 times longer to do anything because of how slow they are on foot.

My point is that being fat is misery, for your friends, for any girl that wants to be with you and for yourself. If you're tired of being miserable, than fucking do something about it and stop making excuses. Fix your life.

[–]chris_sydney2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Second that. Losing fat is not hard.

[–]vagbutters23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As a guy who lost over 100 pounds a few years back, I strongly disagree-- losing fat is very hard, since it requires a complete lifestyle re-haul. Most guys who are fat were raised with shitty eating habits (finish your plate mentality, eating junk food instead of a proper meal, etc.).

It's easy to say something like this when you were raised with good eating habits. It's a lot easier to be healthy as an adult when you've had the same general lifestyle most of your life. This is not to make excuses for overweight/obese men, since, like it or not, you need to lose the fat no matter what.

[–]Darkone06-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You make it sound like every skinny person or there grew up with an abundance of food.

Some of us are skinny cause we had just as bad dieting habits but in the opposite direction.

Even when I have had plenty of money to eat out every meal. I don't because I have self control and don't want to get fat.

It doesn't matter how you were raised, what matters is now.

[–]vagbutters7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being scrawny is just as bad as being fat, and the pathology is similar (albeit not as terrible) as obesity. Shitty diet habits work on both ends of the spectrum.

[–]landon0427 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

many bros on the gym subs and steroid subs agree.

gaining muscle is harder than losing fat.

I want to gain? I put in hell of effort in the gym and eat loads.

losing fat? I just eat fewer calories. the cravings blow but it's doable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why so much meat ? that isn't good either . Im not fst and completely aggree with your Statement , but too much meat is neither healthy nor " manly " . Thats also a lazy way of thinking , learn about cooking and start to prepare yourself healthy Food with less meat and more diversity . I've recently started to follow a strict diet : as little sugar as possible , no nicotine , coffeine , alcohol , only one meal with meat a week , only water , Tea and juice with 100% fruit , a wide variety of vegetables , fruits , nuts , berries , a little bi t of milk products . Thats enough , I've bought myself a book called " no meat athlete " which has great recipes and honestly ive never felt better , i get up earlier in the morning without being sleepy at all , work out more , i am just more productive , i have much more energy compared to what I used to have before . Learning how to cook is fun , it makes the whole ordeal less of a chore . Also im no native speaker , just to clear that up .

[–]Tron100000 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

OK BUT IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO CUT OUT CARBOHYDRATES?

[–]1grubek4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, but it helps.

When it comes to weight, a calorie is a calorie not matter where it comes from, but not all calories FEEL the same. With the same amount of calories fat and protein will make you feel fuller than carbohydrates. Therefore since you feel fuller you'll tend to eat less calories if you eat more fat and protein than carbohydrates.

[–]CrimsonDisciple0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I would add to this that carbs affect the body in different ways metabolically which has the effect of storing rather than burning fat.

[–]1grubek0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you are referring to the idea keto promotes of lower insuline it has never been proven scientifically and all studies show that for the same calories any group has the same effect on getting fat.

[–]CrimsonDisciple0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Glucose, a simple sugar, provides energy for cell functions. After food is digested, glucose is released into the bloodstream. In response, the pancreas secretes insulin, which directs the muscle and fat cells to take in glucose. Cells obtain energy from glucose or convert it to fat for long-term storage."

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose

[–]1grubek0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but what that does not prove that changing what you ingest changes how much your body stores in.

[–]Docbear640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it depends on the person. For me carbs are addictive, cutting them out made adopting other eating and excercise habits easier. However I know people who are peak physical specimen and LOVE their carbs. I feel like dieting/ changing food is a process of expirementation. Try something for two weeks to a month and if it doesn't yield some kind of result. Tweak it or try something new.

[–]ihateporkbuns0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

what's your opinions on being overweight (not obese)

[–]LabRat3142 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's your opinion on being mediocre?

[–]flavourrush1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

who cares what his opinion is! what is yours? do you need an excuse or what? go make some sports and eat appropriate. you are sabotaging yourself

[–]billsmashole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I won't hate on this post. Fat people need to lose weight. Most are lazy from what I've noticed, and even if they're not, special considerations must always be made for them in life. There is no excuse to be obese.

[–]GreenDiamond13370 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

What if your too skinny or underweight, that is often never talked about?

[–]omanisherin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Optimally you want a low body fat percentage and visible muscle mass. If you are already skinny, you've won half the battle.

[–]SeekingTheWay0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then just lift like crazy and eat a lot.

[–]GreenDiamond13370 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

eat a lot

That' s like telling a fat person to eat less.

[–]SeekingTheWay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So what. They can do it. I never said it would be easy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Peanut butter and jelly on seedy crunchy whole wheat bread. 2 for breakfast, 2 after the gym, 2 before bed.

No cardio. No treadmill, no stairmaster, no biking, no running, no rowing machine.

Nothing but freeweights, squat rack, and PBJ.

[–]SeekingTheWay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having experienced both sides of the spectrum, I wholeheartly confirm that this OP of a gentleman is 100% right.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Low body fat is key for facial aesthetics. I see many people thinking that lifting will only get a super muscled body.

First, for the average man is very hard to get super muscled unless you get steroids.

Second, lifting is the best exercise to promote fat loss and have many heatlh benefits.

Third, if you are lean, ideally 10-12% body fat you're face will be more attractive. There are guys thinking they are ugly when the truth is their face are covered in useless fat!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read this in Shia Labouf's's voice and JUST DO IT!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No bread, no sugar, no potatoes. Lots of meat and green veg cooked in real butter.

As I am edging on destitution, I am finding I get 2k calories of food a day pretty cheap... 2lb things of almonds/mixed nuts (you want more almonds than nuts but they're more expensive than peanut filler). 18x locally laid eggs. 2-for-1 cheese blocks. Whole chickens. That's keto right there, because I am poor but still lifting. I lost 50lbs on Keto years ago, habits stayed. Check out -r-ketotreats even if you don't follow the diet.

[–]Mukato0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP is right. I am down 30 pound of fat and up 10 pounds of muscle since starting my MAP 6 weeks ago (measured with multiple scales, and regular BF% monitoring with variables controlled for)

Keto at a 30% deficit is hard, especially while doing SL5x5 at the same time, but holy shit if it isn't worth the pain to get the massive confidence, discipline, and testosterone boosts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This time next year I'm gonna be that muscly cunt other blokes hope is gay

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who told you not to eat potatoes?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and you have everything to gain.

Your dick will look bigger too! (Was a fat kid until I turned 16).

[–]stoicismexpress0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any retards that are upset, I bet you're hamstering this post to believe that OP is a meanie who gets pleasure from hurting your feelings. He's not. He's a good man that's trying to help you.

[–]MrAnderzon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So it's set on the food you eat

[–]SirWilfred0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres nothing wrong with bread or potatos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good feeling when you have to buy a new belt, and then cut it down to size and make another hole.

[–]Dirkz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I must be missing the part of this subreddit that supports being fat?

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[–]Truth_Himself2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are bald, you have to add muscle. No one wants a bald weakling

[–]SeekingTheWay1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bulk up and shave daily. Optionally, grow a goatee.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Seconded.

Cut your hair with the clippers and #1 attachment once per week. Shave your face clean on that same day.

Up your creatine to 20 grams per day (even non-lift days) and spend at least 5 days per week at the gym. SL 5x5 or SS will get you off to a good start.

[–]suske1270 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

While I agree with this post there are some flaws in the logic

The point is that fat people are "losing at life" ~ Well, life is not inherently a competition. We all have our own goals we'd like to accomplish. Most guys want to bang lots of chicks and so it's fair to assume that if you're fat, you're not banging lots of chicks, and hence you're failing your life goal.

But not all people live to bang chicks. And not all fat people are thirsty. Some fat people do have lots of game to make up for being ugly af, and still get laid

With that said, nobody can argue that being fat is simply bad for you. I think everybody can agree that our time here is short and we should all be doing what we can to get more. You can never get your time back, but you could lose weight and get more time.

[–]SeekingTheWay0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is hamstering. It doesn't necessarily have to be your life goal, but if I ask you if you want to be healthy and look good, you will answer yes. If you wan't that, then why are you not acting to make that happen?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

@suske127

You are a piece of shit.

Everything you said is a potential excuse to keep the fatties fat.

Post elsewhere, please.

[–]suske127-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well no shit

Did you read the whole thing?

To summarize

"Not everybody lives for women so not everybody needs to be lean

With that said we should all be healthy for ourselves, as that expands your already limited lifespan so you should be lean, and not hamster/get fat"

If anything brother, you can post elsewhere if you can't comprehend the messages that are being relayed here. We're all brothers. No need to assume the worst intent in my post and attempt to alienate another brother.

[–]verify_account 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy Link

No bread, no sugar, no potatoes. Lots of meat and green veg cooked in real butter.

Please no meme shit.

It's calories in > calories out. It's that simple. If you eat over your TDEE with either carbs or butter, you're going to keep getting fat.

This is basic basic basic science people.

[–]SeekingTheWay2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Without insulin to break it down, the consumed fat comes in pieces too big to pass the cell membrane and be stored. And guess what introduces insulin into your blood? Carbs.

If you eat only fat and nothing else, you will shit vaseline, but not gain a single pound.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, a very strong and well researched theory /s

[–]rolledrick-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm fat I eat because I'm fat because I'm eat.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But bro, many medical experts claim that this whole "man tits" issue is not some simple fat based phenomenon, but a hormonal anomaly which can be solved only through surgery. What's your take on this claim??

[–]SeekingTheWay0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So what, we gonna cut hormones now?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Estrogen imbalance is the reason. Don't you wanna cut that out, you village hick??

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