Red Pill TheoryShe's already been railed by someone less attractive and less cool than you (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by offthebeatmeoff


This was a topic discussed on GLL and I thought I'd share it here since it may be something a lot of guys have never considered before.


There is this misconception out there that you need to be a 10 to get a 10. The only guys who sleep with girls that hot are these total studs. I see it heavily reinforced here on TRP. It's always something along the lines of "Oh she's going home with this 6'4 steel jawed muscular Chad with a thick piece of meat hanging between his thighs". Yeah maybe some girls are, but most of the hottest girls I've seen, met, slept with and just talked to in general aren't all dating or getting their holes pounded in by these Greek Statues. Keep in mind I'm not talking about just girls in my general region. I've seen this in NYC, Boston, NC, LA, Las Vegas, Europe, Latin America, and even Asia. Fun Fact, I'm relatively well traveled.

When girls reach a certain level of stupidly sexy, they are usually primarily concerned with social status and having fun. One example that I still remember vividly was when I was visiting this Scandinavian country. I had met these two girls and a guy. The one girl was into me and the guy was very friendly and introduced me to them. We walked into the bar together. In the bar, there was one guy who was dressed exceptionally well (Keep in mind in countries like this, it looks like every guy stepped out of GQ magazine when they go out). I pointed him out, and my new friend said that he always does lots of Coke and knows a lot of the owners of bars in the area. Naturally, I immediately went to talk to him. He was with one of the hottest girls I had seen in the entire country. She was basically a 10. It was unreal. She had a slight tan. She was wearing a very sexy and slightly revealing black dress. She had what looked like C cups and a nice round butt, and looked like she kept in very good shape as well. Her name was Helga too, which for some reason made her even sexier. The guy, although dressed and groomed well, was kind of scrawny and was a full foot shorter than me. He was a cool dude and really hooked me up with multiple things. The point is, that he was the guy nailing this crazy hot girl.

I'm sure you can think of multiple examples in your life, where these hotties aren't going home with the hottest guy or even the coolest. You see it in the club scene all the time. There are guys who just do tons of drugs, who are kind of flabby, and don't really make much cash going back home or to after parties with the kind of girls most men only fantasize about.

Next time you see a girl think about it. This girl has probably slept with a guy who looks like doo doo compared to you. She's slept with a guy who is flabby as can be. She's slept with a guy who has no direction in his life. She's slept with a guy might have nothing going on besides a good time.

Rationalize, and make as many excuses as you'd like. It doesn't change that reality.


Before you get in your own head that you don't look good enough for a certain girl (Given that you don't look like shit), think about what I wrote. She probably has slept with someone way uglier than you.

Edit: Title should say OR not AND, although she probably has slept with someone less attractive AND less cool than you in a larger context.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 192 points193 points  (81 children)

Looks - Game - Assets - Status

[–]FractalFactorial 38 points39 points  (5 children)

I used to think my oneitis was way out of league, later found out she got plowed by some guy somewhere around 250 or more lbs (of fat) who was average to ugly, didn't go to school, etc, etc. All he was is charming.

Once I got to know him I learned the guy is super fucking likable, fun charismatic, great story teller. Those are really the qualities you need most.

[–]sefmz 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I feel like this sub really doesn't pay attention to this part of success nearly enough

[–]TheLaughingRhino 13 points13 points [recovered]

this sub really doesn't pay attention to this part of success nearly enough

If a woman finds you attractive, then all your jokes are funny. All your stories are interesting. What you have to say becomes important.

You can be attractive from a physical standpoint - Person doesn't need to actually know you to have this happen sometimes

You can be attractive from a personality standpoint - Often this needs a large degree of context. For example, a college professor, he can spend a vast amount of time talking to his class, over a semester, and by extension, a nice looking older female student will be able to pick up on his charm, humor, story telling, etc, etc. The problem with this is there are very few typical situations where this happens. It's also why when a girl introduces to one her friends ( for the purposes of a "setup"), it makes things so much easier, because a comfort level and dual singleness and possible open to interest are there.

Not sure why guys are arguing over what is more important. Work on everything you can control and max it to the best of your ability. What will work for you might not work for someone else. Vice versa.

Working on your "personality" and your ability to socialize with anyone is a lifelong game. It takes a long long long long time for many to evolve into a desirable personality type. Many have the base building blocks there to start. ( i.e. in the same way a Chad has those broad shoulders to start)

Lifting, dressing better, getting a flattering haircut, smiling more, good posture, this is all stuff you can improve in a few months or a year or a few years.

[–]FractalFactorial 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This ^ the halo effect is real and strong. This is what makes an attractive guy being aggressive "hot" but a AFC doing it a "creep".

That said, I think that the ability to be a great story teller is one of the most valuable skills to have. You get a natural sense of drama, you learn how to use your voice and gestures, you get reasons to go out and get experiences, you get the skill to sort of predict and manipulate your audience. And all of this can potentially leak over to social/professional settings. You can treat a job interview as simply selling the story of yourself.

Life itself is a type of performance, having performed before with high awareness prepares you.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 51 points52 points  (13 children)

Status is part of game. I think "game" is the amalgamation of all your characteristics rolled into one. Women aren't attracted to just looks. They're attracted to success.

Working out is part of "game". The job you work is part of "game". The way you dress and present yourself is part of "game". It's all part of game.

[–]2dogsandpizza 17 points18 points  (2 children)

No, game in this context is purely the act of picking up women. Being fit and having a good job is filed under status.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 1 point2 points  (1 child)

game in this context is purely the act of picking up women

And you know what affects your ability to pick up women? Looks and status. Game is the amalgamation of everything you use to sleep with women. Game is the total package. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Things like working out and making money are part of game, not separate. Two men can approach a girl with the same exact line and delivery and get different results. Game is not separate from who you are as a man. Game IS who you are as a man.

[–]atifhere 2 points3 points  (4 children)

In my observation women easily gets in bed with a directionless loser.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Absolutely. Those losers typically have above average looks or drugs.

The "status" of a man depends on his current situation. In some circles a heroine addict with a blue Mohawk and shitty tattoos is the ALPHA male. In some circles the guy with the most violent felonies or weapon charges is the top guy.

A lot of guys on this sub don't realize there's different sub cultures of women that value different things. The investment banker with muscles and financial promise is an alpha to many women, but not ALL women. The coke dealer with 3 kids from 4 baby mamas and 5 felonies is an alpha to some women too.

There's levels to this shit.

[–]atifhere 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not necessarily. Some women are surrounded by nice guys 24/7. When they see a loser, she wants him to be her escape. These losers are nothing, which includes not being nice.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I agree. Depending on her relationship status, some women want a man that's simply different not necessarily better. But your statement doesn't disprove my statement either.

Honestly women are women are women. There's no logic, rhyme, or reason to their choosing sometimes. I've hooked up with girls with boyfriends or married before and I didn't out alpha their current mate. I was just different. I wasn't better. Women aren't logical enough to choose the "objectively" better mate. Whatever "feels" best at the moment is what they go with.

You're absolutely right sometimes the losers don't have shit to offer other than bad habits and mediocrity. And women love it.

I don't think we're in disagreement here.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought too at first but then decided to keep them separate. You can go alone at night and practice your night game, and then you can meet during the week with your band to practice and contact venues where you could be playing soon and show off some status.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Finally someone who gets it. PUA tactics are a complete waste of time. It really doesn't matter what you say to a woman if you check all the boxes.

[–]xray777 6 points6 points [recovered]

FWIW.....PUA tactics are often about getting a girl to think you check all the boxes.

[–]Wilreadit 28 points29 points  (49 children)


Status is King.

[–]Luis_McLovin 17 points18 points  (24 children)

id change the order to game->status->looks->assets

[–]TB3o3 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I think it's safe to say game is relative to quantity while status is relative to quality?

[–]Wilreadit 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The main purpose of game is to deceive her into thinking you have a higher status than what you have in reality.

[–]vibrato2 1 points1 points [recovered]

I suppose you think that a woman dressing nice and wearing makeup is deception too. Perception is reality.

[–]Wilreadit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If I shove shit into a burger and ask you to eat it, would you eat it brah?

[–]vibrato2 1 points1 points [recovered]

maybe if you charged enough. like kopi luwak

[–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not shit actually. Just passed through the motions

[–]-uftw- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Status is king.

You can game a chick as much as you want at a club, she'll leave with Leo di Caprio if he shows up and shows interest. You won't even exist anymore.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (13 children)

nah, it's status > assets > looks > game. status is always top. as you get older (even starting from high school) all parties, gatherings, and events continue to get increasingly more exclusive. you can't even get in without status. high value women pair up there, leaving daygame and tinder as scraps.

game can't ever be first because you've got to meet/approach before you can even lay down game.

[–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wherever exclusivity is prescribed, where ever there is a restrictive threshold for entry, there will be status. Even a night club, once you are in you are high status. Status beats everything else, provided other factors are not self detrimental.

[–]Luis_McLovin -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Another example is James Bond, he's a spy who often has to game his way into private events.

He's not invited. He uses game to enter the events, at which he then socialises with women, who assign him status by being present at the event - regardless of the fact that he hasn't been invited.

Game is king.

[–]fuxdpus 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Status is very subjective, though.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 11 points12 points  (0 children)

...and this is why game works so well: you can inflate your perceived status.

[–]Wilreadit 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Status to a girl as she perceives it.

[–]ministypill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Status to a girl as she perceives it.

Status to a girl as the world taught her how she should perceives it.

[–]vagbutters 9 points10 points  (17 children)

Lol I think that you and anyone who upvoted you is overweight or scrawny. Looks are absolutely the king of attraction.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I agree. But height and facial aesthetics are king. I'm buff as hell, but I'm short and facially below average. My physique has been a great help but I consistently see guys who were genetically blessed with everything they need clean up with 1/4 of the effort I have had to put in to compete for attractive women.

I really don't understand this board's obsession with lifting as I've never been overweight and was buff before this subreddit even existed. Lifting is definitely important but lifting alone only automatically takes you into the top 10% of men if you're already okay looking.

Some of us less blessed guys have had to dedicate years getting ripped just to compete with average guys. It's a bitter red pill to swallow

[–]1grubek 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Because lifting is not only about looks, but about helping you with your hormonal balance and predisposing you to a new attitude.

[–]Hjalmbere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah right, because the guys in The Rolling Stones would have slayed all that pussy without being rich and famous. Keep telling yourself that.

[–]sefmz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Perhaps I'm too unread to know the answer, but which one of those would you say "attitude" fits into? I feel like attitude is the missing link between looks and success. In OP's story I think the only reason being the hot shit guy on the town everyone knows + drug dealer only helped because of the subsequent attitude it instills in him.

Also, similar to what OP said, yes I have seen rando average looking dudes with super hotties. From what I can tell they have some confidence or attitude that makes all the difference.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's Game. And as Rollo says, that's the most important.

And yeah it overlaps with Status.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Status is more important than assets

[–]electricqueer 1 points1 points [recovered]

Examples of 'status' please...so knowing the owner of a club makes you cooler why exactly? Every owner is nice to people who spend lots of money or bring hot girls to the club...

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The secretary fucks the CEO. The nurse fucks the head physician. The groupie fucks the band leader.

Women fuck the club owner, the host of the party, the organizer of the music festival, the decision-maker in the road trip, the captain of the soccer team, the manager of the backpacker hostel, the instructor of the surf camp, etc etc.

Whatever makes you more important than others in the current social context, the top of the hierarchy, the guy that all men are looking up to.

[–]electricqueer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

But is a status whore girl worth the effort for pussy?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

AWALT my friend. All women are sexually attracted to the guy who is hot, presents well and looks edgy (looks), bold and confident (game), pre-selected (game/status), which all guys are looking up to (status), who is their hierarchical superior (status), etc etc.

You don't have to do anything you don't want to do, but the red pill is the truth of what attracts girls. All girls. Why do you think wives always cheat on their husband with their boss. It's because hierarchical dominance (status) is attractive to women. If you discard this universal reality and prefer to think of it as a subset of women who are not worth your time, then you can just as well discard all other red pill truths that women are attracted to looks ("that's not all women, that's just materialistic/vain whores"), game ("that's not all women, that's just the easy/stupid girls") and assets ("that's not all women, that's just those gold diggers")

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is Assets stuff like cars or stuff like a big dick?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Assets = Money. Or more specifically, the stuff you buy with your money that gets you (and a prospective woman) attention from other people: car, travels, boat, etc.

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (48 children)

Outliers who max out in certain categories basically get a pass from women for their other deficiencies. Examples include, but are not limited to:

  • Drug dealers who look like shit but have a million "friends" and hook girls up with their product
  • Ugly guys who are rich, or have the prospect of being rich (your classic foreign medical student or law student)
  • Anyone with a boat
  • Anyone with a unique car
  • Anyone who owns a bar
  • Bartenders/bouncers in really hot spots
  • Bikers or gangsters who give the appearance of being invulnerable to threats
  • Guys who have crash pads in awesome locations, i.e. an apartment right above the nightlife
  • Celebrities or guys who have access to them
  • Actors, athletes, musicians

All the above are such a small percentage of men that it basically negates your point. While, yes, it is true that she has slept with someone worse than you, the point if taken too far smacks of classic PUA "just be confident-ism." There are only really four or five categories that women look for, and score you on. Most of us will never max out in any of these categories like the examples above and it's really hard to do so. A lot of it is luck. How long would it take you to buy a classic car, or to become a bar owner, or achieve fame in Hollywood? It might take longer than your natural life span. It's much easier to raise your score slightly in each category, resulting in a higher overall score that edges out the bulk of the competition. If you are on this board the goal should be raising your overall score in this manner, not looking to max out. You cannot compete with Johnny Depp, Tom Brady, or even the Swedish druglord, but you can compete with the masses.

[–]fuckharvey 34 points35 points  (14 children)

There is another category you forgot: professional gamblers

Girls are always interested in the "I'm a professional gambler" line. Guess it combines the "bad boy" (risk taker) with the "rich" line.

Ironically most professional (profitable) gamblers are no more interesting than an accountant.

[–]Luis_McLovin 14 points15 points  (10 children)


playing a card game carries status an office drone accountant doesnt

[–]fuckharvey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Eh, I did sports betting but it drew girls and they'd act super interested.

I'm sure card players do just as well. Though when I played poker, most of the people were over 40. But I'm sure the younger card players do well.

[–]desno 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's changed a lot, with the advent of people using game theory in poker, you see a lot of a younger crowd in it today. I think if you look at the last 5-10 years of WSOP winners, probably 7 or 8 of them were under 30

[–]515sofar 0 points1 point  (7 children)

being an account does carry some status as its associated with a high income.

[–]xray777 11 points11 points [recovered]

Nooo...it doesn't. Its like how the guys on a college campus most likely to land a decent job out of school are the engineers.....but no one ever became an engineer to get pussy because you fucking won't. Even engineering chicks won't fuck engineers unless they are objective alphas whose majors don't matter anyway.

You're thinking of stock brokers.

Also, remember that its not how much money you actually make, its how your profession is perceived by the average person.

[–]Luis_McLovin 0 points1 point  (3 children)

True story, am studying Engineering but no way in hell plan on working in the field. Aspire to use the technical skills in an entrepreneurial endeavour, much better chance for status there.

[–]EdmondDaunts 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Being an engineer is often your Clark Kent role. You need to be doing Superman stuff as well.

[–]Luis_McLovin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Explain what you mean, I'm not sure I understand.

I think you mean be an Engineer and earn dollar, which by itself is no status special.

Then use that dollar to generate status through wicked hobbies such as skiing and hosting cool parties.

If that's what you mean, I get you. Being an Engineer can open doors and avenues which allow for status, but being an Engineer in of itself does not grant status.

[–]EdmondDaunts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and also you'll never be great if you work for someone else as an engineer. Doesn't matter if you invent warp drive. So have something else that is yours and is special. It may even be your own engineering project. It's the control over it that is important.

[–]515sofar 0 points1 point  (2 children)

"professional (profitable) gamblers"

well they aren't gambling then, professional poker players are not mere 'gamblers' they have acquired skills which change the odds.

[–]fuckharvey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did sports, not poker. At that point it's about good statistical modeling. Nothing more, nothing less.

So yeah, I sat in an office pouring over spreadsheets of numbers all day long. Pretty much what an accountant does.

I guess it's more the "romantic" idea of what a pro gambler does.

Sorta like the "romantic" idea of what a fire fighter is (fighting serious fires and that romantic idea of saving lives is more like 2-3% of the time). Or the romantic idea of a cop, busting doors down, going on raids, when mostly it's paperwork and writing traffic tickets.

[–]1ShallITinder 6 points7 points  (2 children)

People overrate how much bartenders get laid, especially the ones who aren't doing it full time. Most are too busy with high volume shifts at the hot spots to really grab numbers as easily and from what I saw, it seemed like a lot of the hooking up happened among colleagues. A hot girl at a bar would fuck a hot guy working at the bar. Occasionally you might run into a cute girl at an after party you were invited to because of your job but a lot of that does come down to game and looks as opposed to being a bartender.

Now granted I did bartending on the side while having a full time job so YMMV as a full time bartender.

[–]thecajunone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guess that depends on your spot. I didn't get laid much until I became a bartender. Now of days if I don't get at least two numbers a week that's an off week.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Statistically improbable thing doesn't matter! Other statistically improbable thing does!

It's probably actually easier to obtain good looks through surgery than it is to acquire enough money or status to compensate for being ugly.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But due to ego, most redpillers would blast a guy who wanted plastic surgery for being "beta". They would shame him for not just accepting his ugliness or for using cosmetic surgery like a woman would.

Even if the guy was ugly as sin they would tell him the problem is his "frame" lol.

[–]beefypork906 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would you say are the "four or five categories that women look for, and score you on"?

I'd say style, money, social status, muscles, and frame/suaveness.

[–]thor_away92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All this hamstering is why you lose bro.

[–]Atm47 40 points41 points  (11 children)

I think the name Helga makes her way more gross

[–]kkoomi 14 points15 points  (2 children)

The fact that such an ugly-ass name didn't make a dent in his perception of her was a testament to how hot she was, for him. If a girl looks great even while covered in shit, you'll probably think she's even hotter.

[–]afkb39sdfb 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just remember people are the writers and directors of their own stories. One man's 10 is another man's 6/7.

[–]Atm47 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I totally understand her being so hot that it doesn't matter what her name is. I guess I have a pre conceived opinion of the name Olga and Helga because every chick I've ever met with that name was gross. And the sound of then just erks me lol

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I disagree, but to each his own.

[–]Atm47 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yeah Helga and Olga just really ruin it for me lol

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think if you saw Helga in person, you probably wouldn't care if her name was a series of gurgling noises, but I know what you mean with some names being turnoffs. I won't say which mine are, but I have them too.

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 5 points6 points  (0 children)




[–]pehsxten 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Olga is close to ugly. But I find it an unattractive name because every Olga I met has not been attractive.

[–]findyourinsanity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the names, especially if they are hot girls. It kind of makes you go, "wait a minute?"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

listen to a russian or ukranian girl say their name in their language and you will be thinking differently.

[–]CrazedHyperion 50 points51 points  (22 children)

Everybody has certain qualities, and it may not be obvious from a cursory inspection. Maybe the guy is very funny, or maybe he's a great conversationalist, maybe he cooks to the girl's liking, maybe he takes her skiing, maybe they're just relatives. You may never know.

[–]rpogami 30 points31 points  (17 children)

This x 100. I have a friend who is mediocre (and below mediocre in looks) by all standards but dates a 10. His quality is wealth. His family owns a well known local business. He does not flaunt the wealth at all, but his family name, and the fact that everyone knew that he came from money while in school was all it took.

If you came in from out of town and didn't know the back story you would be scratching your head at the couple.

The hottest girls I know (9 to 10) don't date the Chads but date guys with pedigree.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Hot girls aren't as dumb as people like to pretend they are. They can smell winners from a mile away.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Never underestimate preselection and status. His wealth and family name pretty much made him bachelor number one in his area. The top guy changes depending on where you are. The investment banker in a suit and tie is not necessarily the top guy at a punk rock concert just like the punk rocker with a meth habit and a bright blue Mohawk isn't necessarily the top guy at a high end NY night club.

I remember meeting a guy at a bar who told me the best time of his life was when he took a high level management job in some town in Northern California. The company employed half the town and he basically became half the town's boss overnight. He said he never got so much pussy in his life as when he was working there and the local guys couldn't do shit about it.

[–]efrp 6 points7 points  (3 children)

His quality is wealth.

I wouldn't consider that a "quality" - that's just privilege plain and simple. Women are drawn to status, always have and always will be. However, what counts as high status can vary depending on the context.

And yes, there absolutely is a certain type of woman that's drawn to pedigree. I see this in NYC all the time. The guy could be a some flabby dork but he comes from a well connected family, and so he gets consistent access to quality women in his circle and extended circle.

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[–]efrp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not privilege if you can loose it.

By that definition, nothing can qualify as a privilege, because anything can be lost.

[–]jelqing_elk 5 points5 points [recovered]

The hottest women you know are 9’s and 10’s? You either work in an environment like the top level fashion or show business where you come in contact with super models and actresses, or your rating scale is quite far off target…

[–]spurdosparade 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Your 9's and 10's isn't necessary his 9's and 10's.

[–]jelqing_elk 10 points10 points [recovered]

That is bs. A rating scale is in this case used to convey information about the qualitative attribute of attractiveness. If there is no clear set 0 point and 10 point, it is useless to even speak of the scale to begin with…

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

This isn't directed to you, but the whole thread in general. http://imgur.com/EsOwgTg This is the most useful scale for measuring attractiveness that I've seen.

[–]cuntweiner 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Not enough movement between 1-4. Pretty much all of the girls before 4 should be 1s, they are all the same level of unfuckable, even to desperate guys (seriously how is the 400 girl in row 3 not a 1? Because she doesn't also have a foot growing from her chin? Gimme a break, she's probably not even fertile). Way too much between 5-6. There is a morbidly obese girl in the 5 category, and a girl that could be a 7 if she didn't have a stupid hair style. Half the girls in 9 have exaggerated facial features, thus by the chart's logic, belong in 7 or 8... Four of the girls in 7 are objectively hotter than at least three of the girls in 9. I agree with the explanation, but those pics are hilariously off m8.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The pics suck, but the explanations are solid, and give a good base.

[–]thecajunone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was made by /fit/. Don't be too surprised it's flawed.

[–]smokecheck1976 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A good lot of this can be tossed out the window. The hottest woman I was ever with was a French woman working in a German strip club near the border. She would have been a 7, maybe, according to this stupid chart. In reality, her personality, the way she moved, the way she seemed to emit sexuality.... The way she treated me, even though she knew we would never have more than that night together, all combined to make her the woman I fantasize about. If I could go back to one night and stretch it out forever, it would be that night.

My ex-wife was objectively an 8 according to this chart. She was icy, vengeful, angry, remote, and untouchable. She didn't like sex, though she enjoyed it on the rare occasion when we had it. She treated me like a slave that didn't know his place, and nothing I did was right. I should never have held on to that situation.

[–]HS-Thompson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Every time someone posts this link I click on it and then look at the row of 1s and 2s and get mad at myself for clicking.

[–]pinkylovesme 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Physical attractiveness is subjective?

[–]squidracer 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Maybe he was the only one with enough balls to walk up to her and ask her out

[–]smirk_addict 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Man every hot girl I know get's hit on constantly.

[–]ForYourSorrows 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I agree i see this everywhere. "The hottest girls never get hit on because everyone is afraid of them/intimidated". Bull fucking shit. Every super hot girl I've ever seen at bars/clubs gets approached constantly.

[–]squidracer -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Really? Always seems like guys go straight for average because they think the hottie's will reject them

[–]thor_away92 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is one of those quick confidence booster posts that are A+ fucking quality. There's not too much "women are the enemy" and foul language thrown about. Plus you can share wisdom like this with a friend without serious backlash.


[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the compliment. I really don't like being negative in any of my posts, and I like to use a more normal vocab to substitute for RP terminology so it's more digestible. There's a time and place for harsher tones, but theres already enough of that here without me adding to it.

[–]winndixie 8 points9 points  (5 children)

People who do drugs can be hot to girls. They see a problem case to fix and save so they can feel great being good people. They call themselves healers and gravitate towards addicts.

Not saying your case doesn't apply and it might as well does. I'm saying there's a girl for all kinds of people and drugs don't mean bad but can mean interesting.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I have plenty other examples that have nothing to do with drugs. This case just happened to real stick out in memory because of how insanely hot this girl was. She is one out of maybe 3 or 4 legitimate 10s I've met in my life. The kind of girl you stare at for a good few minutes and question whether she's real or not because every other girl looks like crap compared to her. It's all subjective, but I've only met 3-4 girls who did that to me and I'm pretty sure 99.9999% of men would rate them as at least a 9. Really burns into your memory.

[–]efrp 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I know exactly what you mean - in my life I'd say of all the girls I've seen, only about 5 - 6 will forever remain in my memory because of how perfect they looked, even without any makeup. They were the kind who could wake up in the morning with their hair disheveled, no makeup and still be a perfect 10.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They are extremely rare, but they do exist. Just meeting these girls is kind of a game changer in your life. It was for me.

[–]HS-Thompson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. I've slept with a few girls like that. I really couldn't recommend it more highly, I think every man should experience fucking an absolute 10++ model/actresss type at least once in their life to understand what it's like.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 13 points14 points  (1 child)

We are also often overlooking the fact, that not only women can be the victim of solipsism.

Just because somebody seems to be attractive to you does not mean that he is to a woman.

Looks are just one part of what makes for your SMV and being jacked and having nice facial proportions will definetly help you with game and put it on easy mode, but there are many other factors which determine her attraction to you, inculding her feelings, which are always subject to change.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Status is the most volatile attraction variable there is.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

The title here had me laughing. By itself, it is Red Pill Gold.

Never let a woman's affection or rejection go to your head. She is nothing more than feels blowing in the wind.

That's why she has been railed by inferior males before and likely after you. Probably during too

[–]1Tommy_407 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"probably during too"

Haha, my boy. I like that

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should check out the titles to my other posts. Really take pride in them.

I travel around a lot for work and for fun so I don't get to maintain long relationships with girls whether I want to or not. I could care less if she was going to mandingo parties since I would never be able to keep her around regardless. My lifestyle practically forces me to not care.

[–]rombios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably during too

truer words have never been said. i just remind myself, nothing special its just my turn

[–]hardly_incognito 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Had a big realization of this awhile back. There was a hot ass blonde girl I had been dating, but not fucking due to my inability to act when the situation was right.

Fast-forward to her nexting me, and then me running into her at a bar that weekend. She's with her two gay friends and this other guy. Well I considered the other guy a non-threat and a beta immediately (poor charisma, flabby, ugly face... compared to myself who is ripped, taller, and more rugged face).

Turns out I was wrong, girl was all over him and done with me. Second time I've witnessed this type of scenario in life personally. One key thing I will say that probably lands men who aren't "as cool and attractive" hotties is their ability to act. Plus these guys weren't total slobs, more-or-less your average built party-every-weekend type.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Preach brother. It's a wake up call to be sure.

If we could see the sexual history of people (in this case women) we would be shocked.

Just look at the females you know that you aren't into. Pay attention to their partners.

[–]rombios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the first time i got it on with a married woman who admitted her workaholic husband is basically her retirement plan and provides the sort of life that allows her to stay home and basically work out, lounge and relax ... i lost any remaining respect i had for women

[–]okiedokie321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of their partners are better looking than the girl themselves, is my observance. Some of the girls are fat and chubby, but they don't have status. Well, maybe money I suppose counts.

[–]abbafishhead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How is knowing this a confidence-booster, especially when you already failed to fuck the girl? Friendzoned, rejected, etc.? It's more likely to make you feel like shit, knowing that even guys uglier than you can fuck her, yet you still fail.

[–]KV-n 5 points6 points  (5 children)

wtf? you literally destroyed your own point with that coke guy anecdote. That guy was cool and high status af (in given circumstances) so of course she was fucking him.

I'm sure you can think of multiple examples in your life, where these hotties aren't going home with the hottest guy or even the coolest.

yes, not the coolest or the hottest but definitely not both uncool and unhot.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

I am very guilty of using the word and instead of or. The overall message is still valid.

[–]KV-n 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The overall message is still valid.

no. "She's already been railed by someone less attractive and less cool than you" is very different than "She's already been railed by someone less attractive or less cool than you".

as someone already mentioned you need some combination of looks, charisma and status to pull. if all are shit you dont fuck, period. sorry to break your reality but there is no ugly socially awkward loser fucking hotties (unless he pays)

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I admitted I made a grammatical mistake in using and instead of or. I never said there were ugly socially awkward guys getting hot girls. My example implied the opposite. I didn't even say the guy was ugly in the story, just that he wasn't close to being the best looking guy there, but he was cool.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Take out your disclaimer and don't bother with any guys like him. People here will hate you for what you have posted and that manifests itself in a bunch of derogatory ways. Your grammar is not what he's mad at and youll never satisfy him until you destroy your post and disappear. This will never change as long as you're in a sub like this. Your point is clear, carry on.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for making that clear. I'll take it out now.

[–]andhakanoon 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Rule 1: Be attractive.

Rule 2: Don't be unattractive.

This is what I've gotten from TRP so far. I'm going to keep working on this till it's realised. They might have slept with absolute trash, but I don't care. I'm going to be attractive and not unattractive.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

As you should. I didn't make this post so guys would stop taking care of themselves, and start doing drugs at clubs instead.

[–]andhakanoon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not saying you did. Just that I've been fed the lie that the "simple, pure of heart guy always gets the girl" all my life. I'm fed up of being that guy and want to turn my life around completely. Your post would in fact give hope to some former blue-pillers like myself that the world is not such a heartless place after all. I don't want that distraction right now.

I guess this was just me thinking out loud.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's fine bud. This is the right place to vent.

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[–]1Tommy_407 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a bit lost on that whole post. After it says if you are: (blank) then tight game will get you this. Then it just lists a hierarchy of attributes of things from miserable to super alpha. What's the point?

[–]FRedington 2 points2 points [recovered]

OK, I'm not bad looking, but I'm not a high SMV based on looks alone. But, I am well to do as in a big fish in a medium sized lake kind of way. That makes my SMV nearly a 10 for 100 miles in any direction.

One of my early mentors was a man in his late 50s. He had some persistent Bell's Palsey on the right side of his face and his complexion was acne scarred. He was bald and did no hair restoration and didn't wear a rug. IOW he was ugly. -- Yet, he always had a pretty 8,9,10 20-something woman on his arm any time he wanted it. Why? He was worth more than a $billion. He has to be in his mid to late 80s now and he's still doing it.

It was money and only money that made him a 10. On looks alone he would have been a 4, at best.

[–]okiedokie321 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Still a BB but it works for him.

Now imagine if he was a 7 in looks minimum, younger, with that kind of money, and with RP knowledge.

[–]Submissively_yours 2 points2 points [recovered]

"Helga" is usually an attractive name to guys who want to be tied up, just sayin'.

[–]smokecheck1976 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's all relative. "Helga" translated from old Norse as "holy" or "blessed". The same as Arena, Arianna, Holly, Olga, Olenka, and Sanchia.

[–]AshyBoneVR4 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So, basically status and money. It doesn't matter how good lookin or strong the guy is, woman will follow power like river flows downstream. Like OP said, at some point and time when a woman gets sexy enough, looks don't mean a whole lot. It's in the nature of a woman to seek out who can provide for them.

[–]rombios 1 point2 points  (2 children)

how. an a loser on drugs provide for her?

[–]thisornothing 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He's providing drugs, moron.

[–]AshyBoneVR4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that, but what i was saying was that the dude won't be the best looking, or strong. But he's going to have money and hes going to be well connected. The woman will be able to leech off of him and his connections to her benefit while taking advantage of his connections. Will she cheat on him with a better looking guy, yeah, but she'll stay around the first guy more.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The point is, that he was the guy nailing this crazy hot girl.

First time visitors to pretty much any Slavic country windup getting whiplash trying to keep up with so many, "Wait....how did HE get HER?" couples.

[–]Jaghiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm still wondering how the east-european girls can still be so beautiful with the amount of shit looking guys over there. I mean HOW? That's against the rules of evolution

[–]efrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Next time a chic gives you attitude, just tell her, "If I've done better, you've done worse!".

But yeah, OP raises a good point. I routinely see gorgeous girls with just utterly average, even dorky guys, far more often than I see such girls with good looking dudes. Definitely truth in this post.

[–]VivaCheeseWhiz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very true. I think that since us RP guys are on constant quests of self-improvement, we can become blind to how many opportunities we have even if we haven't reached our final form yet. I mean, there's so many options that it really does comes down to basically being a numbers game. Once you can reach true contentment without being tied down, the sky's the limit.

[–]Noolaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe shes trying to fix him.

[–]Gravityflexo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do people really think that really attractive girls only have sex with really hot guys? I wasn't aware this was a popular notion. I thought everyone sees really hot women with regular dudes, especially in the club scene or where drugs are involved. You see hotties with anyone who is really successful whether they are 4's or 5's

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I don't, but I was aware of the fact that it was a popular notion.

[–]afkb39sdfb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She is with that guy for the free drugs and access to venues/VIP. I guarantee it.

[–]Magnum256 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The guy in your example who does coke and knows the nightclub owners has status though (and more than likely an appealing personality that earned him status) if not a good physique or wealth or anything else.

Sometimes the most physically attractive guy lacks in other departments, often a weak personality, or very pretentious, or is obviously trying to create a personality or ambiance through sheer force of will, as in "I'm the man and everyone needs to respect that!" and women pick up on that pretentiousness if it's too obvious.

That coke using nightclub connection on the other hand is probably a much more "natural" kind of cool, probably has a winning personality that he seems like he was born with, where he can make friends and be the center of attention without seeming like he cares one way or the other, and with minimal effort. The kind of guy that can just lazily breeze through and socially dominate anything and anyone all the while still being a flabby, aloof, mess.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was really cool and friendly. He was pretty hard to dislike in general, but most people int that country were really friendly in general when they drank. He was handsome, but not anything special physically. Like I mentioned he was pretty scrawny, but he was an insanely cool dude. It felt like I was in a movie when I was with the dude. It was pretty easy to see why that insanely hot girl was with him.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (7 children)

you make a good point man... I don't know what my problem is now, i think I'm in a slump... I'm trying but the girls aren't into me...

maybe I'm a huge creeper and i don't even know it lol

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Talk about it. You can PM me if you need to. Could be a mental block.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm assuming it is so. I don't feel like " I am enough but at the same time" probs because i'm not at a good bf % yet or something

[–]Pirlomaster 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Is it a confidence thing? When a girl turns you down, does it really bother you or do you swiftly move on to the next one?

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i don't care in the moment it's just that 10000 nos add up after awhile

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can i take you up on that pm offer

[–]VinsTheSpaceDriver 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"This was a topic discussed on GLL"

What is GLL?

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good Looking Loser .com Check it out if you're curious. It helped me out back when I was starting.

[–]ambarrasiya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Though it's not to be taken as an excuse to not get better... It's the 'game' working for such guys.

[–]blackedoutfast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's not that complicated. if you are extremely hot, you only need enough game to not fuck it up. if you are extemely ugly, nothing else matters and she isn't going to fuck you. if your physical attractiveness is somewhere in between extremely hot and extemely ugly, then your game/status/charisma/money/etc are going to determine whether she fucks you or not. the vast majority of guys are in that in-between area.

[–]ArkAngelEV 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Recent posts like these have excited me. I have personally struggled with this throughout different phases of life.

Not only has the girl you've been eyeing been fucked by a less impressive guy than you. She gave him easier/faster access when it was better! And more still, has been gangbanged by many, simultaneously. And worse yet, she's probably sampled a significantly younger guy. What I haven't been able to explain away is, how can a woman satisfyingly fuck a much younger guy?

We at almost every stage in years, a man is a lot less experienced in all social/sexual manner relative to the girls in his peer group. Compound that with a man much younger than herself, how can there be any dominance? It has to be comical, a 30s woman screwing a younger 20s guy. Yet that same milfy type that i want to fuck, gives me the hard time... it's been really grinding my mind. Has anyone got a good way to reconcile that reality cause it pisses me the fuck off from time to time

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm glad you liked it. I'm trying to push a dose of common sense and reality into the climate here. With a lot of this self improvement stuff, people just productively procrastinate by constantly trying to improve themselves to get women, when there are shittier guys already banging the girls you think you can't get yet.

[–]ArkAngelEV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, it's a real mindfuck sometimes

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is this misconception out there that you need to be a 10 to get a 10

Not a misconception, but how men define what a (male) 10 is. Remember that for a women's sexual desires, behavioral traits trump genetic traits six ways from Sunday. A male 10 is the most masculine guy, not necessarily the best looking. (Think Ron Swanson vs Chris Traeger).

[–]iamneptuno 1 point2 points  (5 children)

This is you again, hamstering that looks don't matter, and therefore you yourself have something else except being a nice looking piece of meat that attracts females.

Your example invalidates your whole premise, of course. That man obviously had status, which is by the way the term anyone past the mental age of ten uses instead of "cool".

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I never said looks don't matter, nor did I say status didn't matter.

Most people that aren't pretentious use the word cool, or would just read it and understand what is implied.

[–]iamneptuno -1 points0 points  (3 children)

The title implies that looks and status don't matter.

You said that looks don't matter:

This girl has probably slept with a guy who looks like doo doo compared to you.

By the way, most people who aren't pretentious and graduated from kindergarten use the word "ugly" instead of "doo doo".

You are often bitching about how ugly men are all wrong when they say it's substantially harder for them; as an ugly face, I find this bulshittery annoying.

[–]offthebeatmeoff[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Your putting words in my mouth again. I never said ugly guys are wrong. I never said it wasn't harder for them.

I like using colorful language in my writing. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. You can ignore everything I write, or you can criticize it as much as possible. It really doesn't matter at the end of the day.

[–]aRedThought -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol I can see so much buthurt coming from people reading this. Doesn't matter if you are an 8/9, try to fuck a hot sorority girl without being in a fraternity. They will only even consider you if you are in one.

Looks can trump most faults, but looks will never in a million years trump status.

You will get out game a rockstar even if you are a 10 with money.

[–]Your_Coke_Dealer -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And this is the premise behind Kirill Was Here. Some scrawny, faggotty Jewish guy from New Jersey nails the hottest party sluts because he gets a gig as the host and photographer. Basically an old frat boy: not the hottest nor most accomplished guy in the room, but dripping with social proof

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