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For those of us who have fuck buddies or even girlfriends who talk about their sexual past (gasp), I bet that we all get a sinking, depressing feeling whenever we hear them recount their sexual experiences, e.g. their n-count, their sexcapades, what they did with whom, etc. etc. It's not per se that we're jealous that they did it with someone other than us; it's that we compare their experiences to our own, and then realize how "behind" or "inexperienced" we are. In fact, you'll even start hating women for how easy it is for them to get laid compared to us.

Never ever do this to yourself.

First, things are different for women; if you're a sexless male, you know how thirsty men are, and the extents that we'll go just to get some poon. Getting sex is UNBELIEVABLY EASY for even fat/ugly girls. There's just no comparison. It ain't even the same fucking sport. That's how lop-sided the sexual marketplace is.

Second, men tend to peak towards their 30s, while women experience a decline towards their late 20s. When they're disillusioned by the Cock Carousel, being pumped and dumped for the umpteenth time, and feel the societal/biological pressures to settle down and get married before it's too late, we're only beginning to come into form. If you compare yourself to a girl who's of the same age, you're literally comparing different stages of life, like comparing a college student to a kindergartener.

Third, women simply don't see sex as an achievement or something to be proud of. In fact, they're rather ashamed of themselves if they have a high n-count, because they're extremely aware that they're always the gatekeepers of sex, and a high n-count reflects nothing except that she has poor standards. They also often undercount their n-counts, because, "Oh, I was drunk, so it doesn't count. And then there was that other time, but it doesn't count, because it sucked." And so on and so forth. Remember, your n-count can only get higher, even if it's still zero. And hers will never get lower. Be thankful because a high n-count is generally good for your self-esteem as a male; it works in reverse for a female.

My personal experience

I remember about four years back when I met my fuck buddy, and we talked about our sexual history. I was so ashamed, because she was my n=3, while she was younger and already at n>20. She told me these wonderful stories about threesomes, hookups, swinging, all the ethnicities she "tried," all the locations of her daring sexcapades, orgies/parties, etc., and I'd feel so left out and inferior and useless. I kept comparing myself to her, and, when she was seeing more action than me in our open LTR, I became deeply contemptuous of her.

It wasn't until later that I fine-tuned my game and started seeing some REAL results (last week alone, I added 4 to my n-count, all Tinder hookups -- I was getting laid at the frequency of a girl) that I realized that I had it better. Fast forward 4 years, she's now 27, still alone, jaded with a thousand-cock stare, wrinkles starting to appear, putting on weight, etc., and, most sadly, scrambling around, dredging the bottom of the barrel for a beta provider before she looks too haggard for even the Betas to accept her, while I'm the leanest AND buffest I've ever been, and I'm having all the sex I can handle. I haven't masturbated in a super-long time. Right now, I don't even compare myself anymore -- I'm way beyond that. It's no longer an insecurity of mine, because I worked hard to raise my SMV and put myself in the field to meet women and close on them, and I've achieved everything in my sexual bucket list (quantity, quality, breadth of experiences), and I'm damn proud of it.

Always remember -- while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want. What they're after is commitment. And their high n-counts are something that they have to carry around as a badge of shame, as a reminder of what loose, standardless sluts they once were. It's something they have to make peace with, once the dust settles and the fun and games end, and they realize that their high n-counts are just evidence of their inability to secure commitment from a whole string of men who saw them as nothing but cum buckets. There's really no reason to envy a girl for her sex life, because she'll deal with the consequences of her debauchery come post-wall, where her slutty past will haunt her.

Oh wait...


[–]Petrarch160385 points86 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I will also add that when I had game down to a science, sex got boring. One month I had 20 different hot women, sounds great right? Wrong. It is a fucking hustle. It takes a herculean amount of stamina just to keep up with all the shit-tests, subtle games and avoiding the manipulation. I have no desire to go back to that.

For now I just have a couple of plates that I meet up with on the weekends. I am much happier doing my hobbies, hanging out with my bros tinkering with engines and whatnot and playing video games.

Maybe I'm just older now, but sex is pretty empty. Its great when its happening, but there are much more fulfilling things in this world.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It's way to much work dating multiple girls.. I did it this summer and quickly realized I wasn't getting anything else done

[–]ihavecandygetinmyvan19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They snoop like detectives too once they start getting attached.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fucking stupid Facebook.. I swear that site is nothing more then a boyfriend tracker

[–]rubenbrasil11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

delete it or make it private. dont accept suspicious friend requests from fake accounts. make your IG private. dont accept suspicious IG accounts.

[–]Natural_RP2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why are you dating and not plating?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't even know what "plating" means.

I mean sure, I could learn. It's probably in the sidebar. But the way some of you guys toss around this jargon like it's gospel makes me cringe.

[–]Natural_RP4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's TRP speak for "just fucking." Women these days are actually stupid enough to believe this is "dating."

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sounds great right? Wrong. It is a fucking hustle. It takes a herculean amount of stamina just to keep up with all the shit-tests,

This is how I know you are legit, friend.

[–]Nikelu1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is so true. Now went of the lone wolf way again and focusing solely on my career but I was spinning 5-6 plates and it requires so much energy. 2-3 are great but more it's just horrible and straining

[–]dissentforall1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I found that juggling/plating 5 to be the sweet spot and would rotate accordingly or replace if they got feels or got flakey.

Any more than that and theres no way I could swing it while working 50hrs+ a week and 5 long sessions in the gym.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. Than sounds somewhat terrible. The game must be different for women than men in relationships generally. More work required.

[–][deleted] 107 points108 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sex is cheap, commitment is expensive.

[–][deleted] 32 points32 points | Copy Link

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[–]vagbutters10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo. Beta males have no self-respect and are willing to sell their commitment to used up sluts for pennies on the dollar

[–]Ivetakenthepill268 points269 points  (61 children) | Copy Link

What is that saying... a key that opens many locks is a valuable key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a useless lock.

It's good to have this perspective. A woman simply needs to exist in order to get laid frequently, there's nothing impressive about it. And just as it always has been, the men are the ones putting in the time and effort.

[–]CrodudeClassic120 points121 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Another spin on this I've heard: A good commander can breach the walls of many fortresses. A shitty fortress is easily conquered by shitty commanders.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sometimes the door is open. Or there's just a small admission fee...

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The skilled archer masters his craft through a combination of talent, technique and hours of practice. The target just has to be there. The bigger the bullseye on the target, the less skill required to hit it and more arrows can fit into the bullseye. The only thing women who brag about their "sexual conquests" have done is increase their bullseyes to the size of a hula hoop.

[–]dear_glob_why6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd probably still miss. Can I use my rifle instead?

[–]BluestBlackBalls4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

12 gauge brah, 5 feet away

[–]PinkySlayer9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

FIX BAYONETS! CHAAAAARRRGGGGEEEE

[–]sd4c0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Five feet away, a 12g doesn't have much spread.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For you it's an unbelievable stroke of luck; for her it's Wednesday.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

A woman simply needs to exist in order to get laid frequently

It isn't as easy as you'd think for a woman who is attractive to get laid by a guy who is attractive as her. I've witnessed over and over attractive girls who occasionally "just need to get fucked" who cannot for the life of them find an attractive, confident guy on Tinder or what not who will stop making excuses and come the fuck over and pull the trigger. It's mind-boggling. Don't project your own alphaness onto the rest of the male population. It's a sea of beta out there.

[–]Natural_RP14 points15 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

LOLZ. Can't believe this got upvoted. If she can't get a guy to come over and fuck her she ISN'T attractive. Full stop.

Now if she is trying to bat out of her league and can't get one of those top 5% or 10% of men to come over well that's her problem. That guy is just busy with hotter chicks.

Pickup culture has resulted in women thinking they are more attractive than they actually are and therefore they think they deserve one of the top 10%, just because a few of those guys decided fucking her that night at the bar would be better than jerking off.

Come on man this is basic stuff 80/20 rule, it's in the sidebar.

[–]vagbutters4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can tell overweight feminists are brigading threads as of late, inserting feminized opinions in as a way to dismantle the sub.

[–]Natural_RP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. This "dude" is a joke.

[–]IvankasBabyDaddy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

therefore they think they deserve one of the top 10%, just because a few of those guys decided fucking her that night at the bar would be better than jerking off.

This is spot on. I lost a plate to this big ghetto Chad, and the girl immediately took the attitude of "I'm out of your league." Not gonna lie it stung at first until I realized how ridiculously naive that is.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

If she can't get a guy to come over and fuck her she ISN'T attractive.

You didn't read what I said. I said an attractive female often finds it hard to find an EQUALLY attractive male to fuck. Oftentimes that male is not available, already has plenty of his own sexual options, and the only ones scrambling for sex on tinder are ugly, beta losers.

I know the 80/20 rule and have profited from it immensely in my personal sexual life. It applies to men, not women. I have attractive female friends and I'm telling you that oftentimes they have shit for options when it comes to ATTRACTIVE, ALPHA males.

[–]Natural_RP6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Sigh. We are basically saying them same thing but not quite. You're saying that they can't get the attractive alpha males they deserve.

I am saying they can't get the attractive alpha males they want because they don't deserve it, as in they are not hot enough.

There is no actual 8, 9 or 10 That ever has a problem getting sex from those men that are 8s 9s and 10s. If they can't they aren't that fucking hot and those Alphas are as you said having sex with hotter options.

You are clearly overestimating their attractiveness as are they. Most (around 95%) women and men mathematically fall in the 3-7 range.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm talking about a solid 8 or a 9 looking for a solid 8 or a 9 guy. I'm not saying they can't find a guy within the span of a month or something. I'm saying that sex with attractive males isn't full blown ON TAP for women the way TRP seems to think it is. I know this absolutely from first hand, having a close female friend who, when dolled up, is unquestionably stunning. She cannot just hop on tinder and find a hot guy to bang that night. It's not that stupid easy for them to fine someone who is 1. hot. 2. alpha 3. not already banging some other chick.

[–]Mostlyright917 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think you're wrong and a give away that you are wrong is that you are friends with a "unquestionably stunning" girl.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That you think I'm wrong isn't very interesting. Why does being friends with an attractive female mean I'm wrong about sexual strategy? TRP has discussed the merits of having attractive female friends.

[–]theONE8436635 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you at least tried to fuck her tho? There is the difference.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. She was my neighbor and then roommate for 2 years so I didn't go that route. Not wise. Have been laid probably 150 times from girls I met through her though. Female friends > Tinder.

[–]Natural_RP1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy shit. First of all it's clear "your friend" isn't even a 8, just the typical 6 or 7 that thinks because she looks better all dolled up means she is a 8 or 9, which as I said before are actually super rare.

Think about how stupid you statement is. You're saying something like: "Margot Robbie can just NOT find a hot alpha guy to fuck her. She just can't!"

If you said that shit to anyone it would sound ridiculous because it is and she is only an 8. But since it's "your friend" suddenly I am just not getting how reality works. Man you're clueless.

Really all the hot alpha dudes are fucking numerous girls. If she was hot enough she might be able to secure commitment from one but like I said she isn't. That's the other part of problem with this 80/20 bullshit women have going on. It sucks for the 80 percent of men who aren't getting laid but it still sucks for the 80 percent of women that are.

This is because if you're in the 20% and getting all this pussy you have literally zero reason to settle down unless you desire children. But hey women did that to themselves.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say she can't find a hot guy within the span of a week or a month. I said that oftentimes it takes longer than you'd think for an attractive girl to find an attractive and alpha male.

It's a totally regular occurrence that an attractive woman cannot find an attractive, alpha male to hook up with within the span of a couple days. I think you're overestimating how many attractive alpha males there are, especially only a mid to a small sized city. It's not like there's an attractive alpha male on every street corner looking for ass.

[–]bowie74723 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Truly. All I see these days is bored girls walking the streets at night in pairs or triplets, going from one bar to the next hoping some guys will have the balls to make a move.

At TRP we give a lot of shit to modern women for being attention-addicted whores, but IMO the modern man is far worse. He is lazy, out of shape, poor and powerless. Women are merely reacting to this.

[–]1PantsonFire123416 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women are merely reacting to this by having "N+20" counts? How is this a reaction to the male population being bad. Don't fall for the "everything depends on men" meme. Every human being is responsibly for it's own sexual performance.

[–]bowie7472 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, yes. It's conceivable that +20 girls are trying to become more powerful because their counterparts are so weak. More importantly remember that many of these girls have been raised by weak, weak men. We're about 3 generations deep into BP men.

[–]1PantsonFire12348 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't have to be your own fault to be your own responsibility. I was raised by a single mother with no fault of my own and I still had to pay the price to set myself straight and Alpha up after the shit upbringing I've had.

Women have a choice to be who they want to be. You are putting all responsibility on a man like some SJW. Don't do this man, for your own sake. Understand that women have the same burden of performance as we do. But theirs is a passive thing.

Women who have a high N-count often suffer from mental failures or physical genetic deficiencies (being fat) and they look to fill that hole by having all their holes filled. This reduces their value, no matter whom was to blame.

No one is at fault for being born the way they were and by which parents, we still inherited the responsibility to survive though. Sluts are bad survivors just like Betas.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys pile ontop of women like Fucking linebackers. It has to be worse than it's ever been hence the lack of surprise.

[–]frerri37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The timing with this post in my life was sick. Thanks alot man, just what I needed to read now.

[–]grewapair16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then you won't want to think about the value of free drinks, free dinners, tickets and so on that a girl can rack up in a year. I had one ex friend who was easily racking up 10 grand in the year I knew her.

She didn't really like men, just food. She was a broke student, so she went out with 5 different guys every week, and never saw them again, unless they had really shelled out on the first date (upwards of $400 for the two of them), in which case, she'd go out one more time.

[–]frerri1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's easier to handle though. I see her just playing him and as I never spend money on girls this one just makes me laugh. She doesn't even take the dick? Poor guys.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women make a living from their pussy alone. And not just a standard living. I am talking 6 figure "I party with celebrities every weekend" type of income.

It's fucking mind boggling.

[–]xsquivelx29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Assuming their not straight up fugly, most girls I know have to put in conscious effort to NOT get laid. Theres always at least one (if not more) dudes that will hit on them when they go out.

[–]1PantsonFire123410 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think this is more a matter of them filtering down 2000 men into 20 but okay. I've given up long ago trying to figure out which ones the slut and which one isn't.

They give me a fake promise of an intact hymen, I give them a fake promise of heart meant commitment.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's it. Many girls think dating is hard.

Not cause they can't get one. What's hard is screening out those 2000 guys for the 2 that may be worth it BEFORE the next 2000 decide to hit you up.

[–]1PantsonFire12344 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To bad they aren't good at screening to, girls just let guys come and go. But not 2000, simply the best 20 of those 2000. She's a picky slut is all.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

When I broke up with my ex I remember being a smart ass and told her, "relax, it's easy for you skinny blondes to get laid".

Her: " I don't want to just get laid, I want a bf"

I just looked at her and said, " well that's what makes life so interesting "

[–]1PantsonFire12344 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She spoke the truth tho, she wanted a bf for attention and access. Women who ride the cock carousel are just broken and constantly look for newer ways to feel validated. Sex is just a small part of why they do it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She was actually pretty smart when it came to things like that. She didn't grow up as an entitled princess

[–]muh_posts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her: " I don't want to just get laid, I want a bf"

That's her ASD. Don't listen to what a woman says, watch what she does. She didn't want to appear a slut to you.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil117 points118 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing wrong with making the comparison as long as it is apples to apples. Go on Tinder set your preference to men and see how much dick wants to get inside you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro54 points55 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I thought your username had something to do with steroids. Well.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil61 points62 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm comming out with my own brand of personal lubricant and I'm trying to increase demand before my launch date.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dbol illegal, pot now legal. Estrogen conspiracy?

[–]kingkumquat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me know so I can buy a few tubes

[–]FJHUAI26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Man, if OP says this anywhere ELSE on reddit and he'll get down voted to oblivion.

This is why I love TRP. No fucking nonsense about "women are the same sexually" and "women can't just get sex by spreading their legs guize"!

[–]vagbutters9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people hold these opinions, increasingly so in recent times thanks to the attack on the SJW/feminized world. It's just a matter of time before people speak more openly about these things. Slut shaming will come back strong in due time. No one wants to wife a gross woman who's had her pussy pounded more than artisan dough.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Back in my bluepill days I used to have a female friend who was relatively chill but still showed signs of AWALT. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to get in her pants at some point, but she's recently gained some weight and frankly repulses me now that I've internalized redpill material.

Anyways, back in the day she told a story about how she hooked up with some dude at a party and deep down I got angry about how easy it sounded. I decided that this girl was chill and she was being open about her sexuality so I thought I could get her to admit that getting laid was easier for women than it is men.

I told her that she could walk up to almost any single guy in a party and leave with him within minutes and she at least somewhat acknowledged that fact. When I told her that the same wasn't true for guys she refused to believe it and started getting hostile and extremely defensive. I didn't back down and got my other friend in the room to completely call her out on her bullshit and she threw a fit and left.

Girls either genuinely cannot empathize with the male reality or they simply refuse to. Sadly I think it's the latter.

[–]mnemos_17 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like the two of you caffeinated her hamster with realz so hard it blew a gasket.

[–]Returnofthemack339 points40 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

I honestly dont, because I realize how fucking easy it is for them to get laid. It's not even the same game for them. Why on earth would it bother you?

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

My cousin is 40. She looks early 30s and behaves like a teenager (fucked up childhood, I'm not holding it against her that she never managed to get over it). She went to Madrid last month and had, in 10 days, 21 dates, with attractive men (I take her word, I've seen her boyfriends and ex-husband). That's a 40 years old, go figure.

[–]LAERAYALP24 points25 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Was just gonna say that women will also have sex with different guys same day lol. I am sure ive been the victim of this. Where is that magical place where women's average is 9 guys. I am on verge of MGTOW I constantly see women's ho-liness in everything. I don't know how guys overcome these feelings, you either hypnotize your self or you lie to your self that you're OK with this hyperho shit.

[–]smokecheck197617 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What? You haven't managed to hook that up? My personal best was having sex with one woman early in the night, going to the club, hooking up with another woman, then going back for round 2 with the first woman. Don't get me wrong, I'm not certain I could pull that off now, but back in the day...

As to most women having a low count, yes, because the outlier does not make the rule. For every woman that has had more than ten men, there are a dozen women that never had more than two or three.

[–]Natural_RP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep not that hard. I've had quite a few hat tricks when I wanted them. I mean it's easier when you tap a plate or two but it can be done.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Double book your tinder dates and sometimes this happens for guys too. But seeing how easy it was for me, a very ordinary guy with maybe only an advantage in fashion sense, to get laid twice within a few hours when women don't flake out, it makes me wonder how often women do that.

[–]frerri19 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm. Met two Australian sisters when traveling in Asia who were both early 20's. Both of them had boyfriends back in Australia. But while traveling with their family he younger sister (who fucked my friend) told me that her older sister had fucked around 9 different guys in 4 days. The night they came to our hotel room they had alrrady been to two others same evening. I almost puke thinking that my friends fucked one each.

Al while their mother was sleeping in the hotel room thinking her daughters were sleeping next to her.

How fucked up is that!

[–]jazerac10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is such a fucked up world

[–]LAERAYALP9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The op is right you can't compare, but.. that just makes it worse. Women like to go on fuck spree's, usually get drunk, half way thru the process they get drugged and ran trains on. Your little angel mite of got Trained worse than in one of those kinky pornos right out of highschool with her best friend on a little vacation in a beach town. As a man you have to be a Hugh Hefner to pull that kind of shit, and that's an old school little game that women have been playing even before pick up days. If all of the women were magically unlocked to me I wouldn't even give a flying drip of a fuck, to put my dick in their hole. Just having a little abundance of pussy is enough to calm down, that could even just be one decent pussy. Women are dick accumulators, it makes them feel bad but they won't stop.. will they?

[–]1PantsonFire12346 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The worst part is how these girls just keep one upping themselves. First it's a high N-count, then it's multiple guys a day, then a gangbang all the way until they are role playing some violent rape scene in a porn flick.

It's sickening and honestly the only guys I know whom are in relationships are those who fool themselves that this isn't going on. I have friends who are red pilled and they seriously still believe that women aren't like that.

No normal man on earth could pull the sex stuff a girl does.

[–]1PantsonFire12346 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My only question is, why on earth do these girls have boyfriends. It's perfectly fine if they want to slut it up and ruin themselves. But women seem to make a sport of living a double life. Big town hoe when out of time, virtuous girlfriend when she's back.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why? Betabux financial and emotional security.

Come on now, lads. You know this stuff already.

[–]1PantsonFire12343 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It must suck to be tied to someone you only use for financial and emotional security. Why can't they find a guy who's that and attractive to them?

You see what I'm getting at? It's still not an answer. The answer would be that she's incapable of finding a better man because she herself isn't that good looking. Or perhaps she's emotionally insecure in maintaining a relationship with a man she actually finds attractive.

Women compartmentalize allot of things. It might be in her nature to look for the best suited mate AF/BB. But she will always prioritize trying the AF over the BB. The latter remains a last resort. If you find a girl cheating all the time on her BB. Then that guy is a last resort. Which speaks volumes about the girl herself.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

she herself isn't that good looking

Ding ding ding! You got it. Here's the thing, and I'm assuming you've also heard this before but may benefit from a rephrasing to connect the dots: alphas know their worth. Women are gatekeepers of sex, and men of commitment.

So say I'm "a catch", as women put it. Why in the fuck would I settle for one woman with many wanting me? I can get what I want, then trade up to a woman of higher SMV. So to each of those women, I provide nothing but my dick.

Well that means that "alpha bux" is kind of like our fabled unicorn. Guys who are most desirable and know it don't wish to settle until they lack the energy to keep playing, or start fading in looks at 40ish.

It also means that women, fading in looks sooner, need to have a provider waiting in the wings for when, not if the alpha they pursue doesn't stick around. Because the Alpha can always do better.

All it says if a girl cheats rather than goes only for the Alpha is that she is truly going for an alpha. She won't get him. No volumes are spoken, just a detail accentuated.

But wait, what about beautiful perfect 10s? Don't they not need a provider because the alphas will settle with them? Nah, just another league up in SMV until you get to the chaotic level of supermodels and celebrities where nobody commits for long. AWALT.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of your premise makes sense but I still find it lacking. You're saying that Alpha men won't commit because they are beyond high value. And yet an Alpha like Donald Trump committed all the time. John Cena, committed. Most professional football players commit. Special forces soldiers do have wives despite the high divorce rate. All of these guys aren't Alpha because they 'settled' for one Ho? Yet you and me over here are Alpha because we improved our value and are now a catch because we won't commit.

That doesn't make sense to me. Alpha's commit, it's just that commitment eventually changes them into Betas if they aren't careful. The idea that women play a game where the relationship is just a ruse to scam the guy out of his money and time and the real fucking happens with uncommitted men is overplayed over here at TRP. And for good reason, it's the easiest explanation for why women cheat and holds truth to it. I know guys who fucked girls whom were dating hotter/high value guys than they were. They banged the shit out of her because they didn't care, it ain't their girlfriend. Is that guy the catch she can't have and her boyfriend the high value Beta? See what i'm saying.

Women cheat for an entire list of things. Revenge, excitement, power, control, addiction and so on. Some women can only get their kinky rocks off with stranger men because there's nothing to lose. So they can "let go". I've experienced them myself. They don't want to have that kind of sex with their boyfriend out of fear of being judged. Usually they even exclude guys who are around in their social circles. Out of fear of being outed. This is just a sign of insecurity on the woman's part. It's easy to be open in anonymity after all. Just look at the internet and the shit people say. Women like this are mentally at fault for being unable to bond sexually with their man.

Another reason is that the girl is just plain average looking or even fat. She looks at all the hot guys and drools knowing she will never get one. It's like a woman entering an expensive shoe store and trying all the shoes on she doesn't have the money to buy. For a couple of minutes she gets to know what it feels like and looks to wear that expensive shoe. Again, this is just a sign of a woman being short on the looks department while still feeling entitled to illusions of grandeur. Not her biological imperative being successfully orchestrated, far from it. They are failing at their sexual strategy. They can't get the Alpha.

There are women out there who have functional long term relationships with Alpha men that last for years until they grow boring and yes they always do. So my question was rhetorical. Why are these cheating skanks not with a man that excites them?

And the answer isn't that it's in their sexual biology to only seek out extremely high value men who don't commit. While playing boring low value Beta Cucks who do. The answer is that they can't keep a mans attention. That their probably lacking themselves. Hence they are with these boyfriends. Your initial answer isn't even close to that. Why would they even fuck 9 guys in 4 days if they could just pick the hottest one and fuck him for 4 days? They want the highest value catch don't they? What about the bottom 3 of those 9? Aren't they exempt from their mate selection by virtue of being in the bottom 80%? Looks to me like these girls don't know what the fuck their doing. Like Beta orbiter getting friendzoned by all the hotties in his town.

Women like this are damaged, simple. They are trying to spread seed like a man while their womb can only have one bun in the oven. Making bad sexual mating choices isn't an exclusive male sin. Women are just as capable of being stupid in what they do.

[–]1PantsonFire12348 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I get what your saying. They take it to the extreme. Hell they even do shit I wouldn't do. Just reading this post makes me sick all over again. Guys pretend they are okay with this. But there's no way they'd be knowingly okay with the idea of their own girlfriend being a slut.

The worst part is that most of them fucking suck. Their ugly, fat or average looking. Low value degenerate as can get. Girls whom are not even a catch and still they get it on with every guy.

There's simply no point in having an honest relationship. I once dated a girl that acted like a good girl. Total borderline case, worst experience of my life. Not even that hot. I believe her. Sudden fight breaks out and she unloads some crazy kinky shit she'd done. Months pass by after the break up and I get flashbacks of all the red flags. I realize this girl was a total whore but I will never know how bad. Now she's dating another guy just like me. Doing the same stuff to him. I can only imagine how many times she's cheated.

The worst part is that every guy she dates is still technically out of her league. But she won't open up to them out of fear of being abandoned. Having sex with strangers and fuck buddies is much safer. She's rather be a whore than sexually attracted to her actual boyfriend.

It boggles my mind why women do this and why guys are okay with this. The moment I found out I leg'd it out of there. She tried coming back for a second round and I declined. Am I the only one who's not okay with this?

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Guys pretend they are okay with this. But there's no way they'd be knowingly okay with the idea of their own girlfriend being a slut.

These guys aren't. The problem guys have such a HARD time finding girls to have sex with that they will stick with whores. This happens all the time. People here can call them beta or whatever. But high profile guys do the exact same thing. You have rappers, pro football players, ect.. willing to forgive that their girlfriends slept with someone because they think she is the best piece of ass they will ever have. Not to mention some whores do have other shit going on. They may be a top member of the committee of a non profit organization or something, but sleep around. Guys think women like that are hard to come by so they stick it out. And this is the WORSE thing to do.

Deep down inside, if you're in a relationship, you will know if your girlfriend is cheating on you. The signs are all there. Most guys that complain about their girlfriends or wives acting funny, weird or distant lately know exactly whats going on. They just refuse to believe it and ride it out until they have hard core evidence. They do this because they don't want to lose the one women they put so much time and effort. Women on the other hand, they have guys lined up. Look at your girlfriends instagram followers and facebook male friends who likes her pictures. They have guys at the snap of their fingers. Most guys don't.

There's simply no point in having an honest relationship. I once dated a girl that acted like a good girl. Total borderline case, worst experience of my life. Not even that hot. I believe her. Sudden fight breaks out and she unloads some crazy kinky shit she'd done. Months pass by after the break up and I get flashbacks of all the red flags. I realize this girl was a total whore but I will never know how bad. Now she's dating another guy just like me. Doing the same stuff to him. I can only imagine how many times she's cheated.

Yup, that's basically what I just said. You know the flags are there, but you just don't want to believe them. Same exact thing happened to me last month. The flags were all there. She seemed super nice and friendly with everyone. Everyone in our social group loved this girl. Then one day she mentioned she twerked for fun at a tailgate party. I said to myself "no biggie, she likes to have fun."

Went out drinking one day with her friends. The topic came up "have you ever been caught having sex?" She told a story while I was sitting there about how she got caught having sex on a boat and the guy's father walked in, complimented her on her ass, walked out then laughed about finishing sex with the guy."

Even if that's true, you don't admit shit like that. It came across as disrespectful do say that shit in my face in front of all her friends. But I said "ohhhh maybe I'm putting too much thought into it. Maybe I'm just being insecure because I don't have any funny sexual experiences."

The signs became more and more apparent until she broke up with me out of the blue. The signs were all there, my gut was telling me that she was a whore. I just didn't want to believe it because she was college educated, good job, came from a good family, had good friends, liked to play flag football, loved sports, cooked for me, ect...

All those things are "wifey material." You know how rare it is to fin a chick like this? Didn't matter.

I could have ended the relationship weeks before the breakup, but I had no proof she was cheating. Some guys have no respect for themselves that even when they catch the girl cheating they will take her back because they feel like they won't find anything better.

Now she's dating another guy just like me.

Yup same thing happened to me lol. The day she ended the relationship she posts on facebook about being with this other guy. The VERY NEXT DAY. The guy dressed like me and everything. He was just older.

She tried coming back for a second round and I declined. Am I the only one who's not okay with this?

She has not tried coming back, but I'm sure she will. Her best friend goes to my gym and we talk here and there. Her best friend told me straight up that I didn't do anything wrong and that this girl always does shit like that. Break up with guys for no reason. I just wanted to slap myself after hearing that. Me and this girl share the same social circle (ughhhhh) so I will see this chick again next week at a party. Who knows what will happen.

But no, you are not the only one ok with this. I'm with you. I lost all hope in having LTRs with women in modern society. The only way a LTR can work is if you're ok that she will cheat on you or leave your ass for someone else. She's not yours, its just your turn...FAV redpill quote.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

They do this because they don't want to lose the one women they put so much time and effort.

This is really the core essence of it all. Guys grow up hearing all these nice things about women. They want to believe it, they want to bond with one. Share everything blah blah. Meanwhile women are on a warpath and only care in the moment. The only option is to never give a shit. Their shooting themselves in the food imo. Their entire game relies on the fact that men emotionally care for them. Without they have no power.

he topic came up "have you ever been caught having sex?" She told a story while I was sitting there about how she got caught having sex on a boat and the guy's father walked in, complimented her on her ass, walked out then laughed about finishing sex with the guy."

God man, she said that? That's fucked up, she's purposefully painting this image in your head to get you jealous and angry. This girl I dated went even further. I was hanging with my class mates (all of them girls) and one of them got angry at me and hit me in the face. Me and this girl were close to a break up, she already found some guy to branch swing to. She probably looked for him because she feared I would cheat on her. Typical BPD.

So I tell this girl about what happened with this girl at school. Because it was funny but I also wanted to make her jealous. It's just a minor dread tease. So flips the fuck out and threatens to come over to my school and kick this girls ass. I calm her down. She then begins talking about physical violence and how she'd probably hit me one day if we ever got into a fight. I laugh at her weird shit test. Suddenly she's telling me about some past guy she dated whom fucked her and had rough sex with. Telling me all kinds of details "he really hit me hard, he choked me rough" all that shit. 'Why the fuck are you telling me this', I'm fucking pissed and we break up in the weekend.

To this day I still have anger towards her for that crap. I also have the compulsion now to really fuck girls roughly because I never want to hear this shit from a girl again. If I treat them like whores then I won't care when another guy did. Thing is, I could have broken up with this girl, told her about the threesome I had with two girls while we were dating. But I never did, yet these girls just go for the jugular.

Yup same thing happened to me lol. The day she ended the relationship she posts on facebook about being with this other guy. The VERY NEXT DAY. The guy dressed like me and everything. He was just older.

Yeah man, no mercy. Also they love getting a reaction out of you. The girl I talked about was the worst at this from all the girls I dated. She tried making me jealous with three different guys. The guy she tried to branch swing to rejected her. She even send me private pics on Snapchat when she was hanging out with him. All because she claimed I was over her within a day. Which was true, after the horrible sex story she had told me over the weekend.

Her best friend told me straight up that I didn't do anything wrong and that this girl always does shit like that. Break up with guys for no reason.

Yep, girls do this all the time. They love breaking up with guys because it saves them from rejection. Either their jealous and afraid you will break up first, so they beat you to the punch. Or they lost respect and want to branch swing. Sometimes they just want to be single for a while. Their just wining it, I dare you to try this as a guy. Break up with your girlfriend willy nilly, watch her explode. Everyone will shame you for doing so, you will be dragged to court for you to take her back. The world will demand blood. But it's okay to hurt guys.

But no, you are not the only one ok with this. I'm with you. I lost all hope in having LTRs with women in modern society. The only way a LTR can work is if you're ok that she will cheat on you or leave your ass for someone else.

The way things are set up in the west women have to much candy to shop and zero consequences for fucking a guy over. So they will for one reason or another. My default stance nowadays is to lie to a girls face when she asks me for commitment. If I figure being in a relationship will benefit me for the short term I accept. Then I keep treating her like a plate while she believes she has a boyfriend. I don't even feel bad for ghosting on them suddenly. Their emotions ain't my problem no more.

Despite all that I'm not okay with all the slutty stories I hear from girls doing gangbangs, orgies, 9 guys in 4 days etc. These are things I would hardly consider. It's like women get sex so easily that doing the normal stuff gets boring after a couple of years. So they have to do fucking crazy shit in order to get off.

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Suddenly she's telling me about some past guy she dated whom fucked her and had rough sex with. Telling me all kinds of details "he really hit me hard, he choked me rough" all that shit. 'Why the fuck are you telling me this', I'm fucking pissed and we break up in the weekend.

I don't even know what to say. Glad you ended things with her.

She tried making me jealous with three different guys. The guy she tried to branch swing to rejected her. She even send me private pics on Snapchat when she was hanging out with him.

Yea I had other stories of her trying to get me jealous. My past self would have flipped out. In this case I held frame and acted like it didn't hurt. Its a lose lose situation. You can hold frame under shit like this or you can cuss her out and start arguing. The results will be the same.

Everyone will shame you for doing so

Yup that's the thing. She wanted me to break up with her. She would do things to want me to flip. Again holding frame. In the end one day she tells me she feels weird around me. She never says she wants to break up. I had to say it. She didn't want to say it because it will make her look like the asshole. Now I look like the asshole who broke up with her and she can be the victim and continue to say "all guys are assholes."

It's like women get sex so easily that doing the normal stuff gets boring after a couple of years. So they have to do fucking crazy shit in order to get off.

AGREE 100%. Another reason why I don't see relationships lasting long. You def have the right mindset.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't even know what to say. Glad you ended things with her.

Yeh man it was fucked up. The only thing that makes it slightly less bad is that I wasn't really sexually attracted to her when we met. She constantly asked me if I was enjoying the sex while we were doing it. I lied all the time and said yes. So I guess if I had she would have shared her kinks with me. Still fucked up thing to say.

Yea I had other stories of her trying to get me jealous. My past self would have flipped out. In this case I held frame and acted like it didn't hurt.

Yeah just ghost at this point, it's a lost cause and all she wants is her closure. The moment she makes you angry is the moment she knows she made the right decision.

Yup that's the thing. She wanted me to break up with her. She would do things to want me to flip. Again holding frame. In the end one day she tells me she feels weird around me. She never says she wants to break up.

Lol this is exactly what this girl I dated said to me. Word for word. She felt awkward around me and couldn't be herself. Truth was she was making it awkward and I had no idea how to deal with it. Turns out she couldn't be herself with me because she had met some dude and changed her personality to fit his.

All the bad shit she said to me and the fights she raised were to break up. She wanted me to do it or to break up during a fight because breaking up any other way would make her look bad. It would also be weird I guess. So she made allot of things up.

She wasn't the only chick to pull weird stunts but definitely the worst. The funniest part is that these types think they "Alpha Widow" you like they got. But the only thing they achieve is you hating them. We don't work like women, our attraction isn't emotional it's physical.

Sounds like your girl was borderline to mayte. Better off without her.

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

She constantly asked me if I was enjoying the sex while we were doing it. I lied all the time and said yes.

I did the same thing lol.

She felt awkward around me and couldn't be herself. Truth was she was making it awkward and I had no idea how to deal with it.

Dude at this point I'm starting to think me and you dated the same chick. You don't happen to live in the mid west do you? LOL

Because everything you say is exactly what happened to me. I'm glad to hear you went through the same thing. I'm not sure if my girl was BPD, but that's a huge possibility. I just thought she was just crazy like most Western women.

EDIT: Just googled BPD and holy shit she most likely had that. Never bothered learning what it was because I never thought would run into a girl like that. But yea, she def had all the symptoms of it. Thank you

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

She constantly asked me if I was enjoying the sex while we were doing it. I lied all the time and said yes.

I did the same thing lol.

This happened to you to? Bellow average looking girl and such?

Dude at this point I'm starting to think me and you dated the same chick. You don't happen to live in the mid west do you? LOL

I'm from Europe, so no way mayte. But this sounds like typical Borderline dripple. They all read the same script, it's insane. None of what she was saying made sense until I read about BPD. She made me believe I was some awkward idiot who couldn't do nothing right. Truth was she was the awkward weird one and projected it all on me. You can't get trough to them.

Because everything you say is exactly what happened to me. I'm glad to hear you went through the same thing. I'm not sure if my girl was BPD, but that's a huge possibility. I just thought she was just crazy like most Western women.

If you recognize the shit I'm telling you then she's almost certainly BPD or something along those lines. Women don't act like that. The girl I dated stalked me for half a year and was head over heels for me. Then the moment I show her interests she's gone. We got into an LTR 'sort of' for about two months. That's when she took a hike.

To this day she's the most insane girls I've met. Other girls are crazy, but BPD brings it to a whole new level.

EDIT: Just googled BPD and holy shit she most likely had that. Never bothered learning what it was because I never thought would run into a girl like that. But yea, she def had all the symptoms of it. Thank you

Np brother, read up on that shit. It will makes sense to the chaotic memories you have of her. More importantly, it will prepare you if you ever run into another one.

Although the odds are small, BPD's generally don't like guys that act or are Alpha. Which is why most Beta dudes come here with stories of crazy bitches..

I hope you got lucky like me and only got some nasty things said your way. Some people end up with these types for years and it really ruins their lives. Mentally and physically, socially, everything.

[–]meninistMD6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I lived in spain for a while, good looking men will do anything walking on two legs.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

21 guys in 10 days?! That's actually, logistically impressive. I ain't even disgusted. oh wait...

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're surprised? What did you think women do with their free time other than fish for attention?

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Would you say those 21 dates were of a different league or look than her boyfriends/husband?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know all the details, I just know she said they were all attractive or she wouldn't have gone out with them, and seeing as I've seen some of her boyfriends in person or picture and I've met her ex-husband, I believe her, as they were all handsome fit guys. Her teenagerish behaviour is like a magnet to attractive men, because she's not going out with some creeps or whatever.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, I asked because it's not uncommon for women to 'date' way beyond their league while their actual husbands and boyfriends are a good reflection of what her value can actually pull.

21 days in such a short time is a fuckton though, regardless if they were within her league. Somehow though, I understand women whom had ex-husbands more. At least it's clear to everyone they have given up bonding with a man. Being old now this is her own choice. To have try having her fun now and being alone when the superwall hits.

For young girls it's much less understandable. Another commenter here talked about a girl who had a boyfriend and fucked 9 guys in the span of 4 days on vacation. Being in her early twenties. That's just fucked up.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

A lot of guys do. In fact, I don't think there's a guy out there who'll feel no negative feeling when they know that someone else out there is having a wayyy better sex life than him, even if that person is a girl.

[–]Returnofthemack38 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah I dunno, i only tend to bed girls that are fairly attractive, and i'm entirely aware of how easy it is for them to get fucked. It honestly doesn't bother me because of that. If you truly understand the ease in which they can get fucked by high quality men, you should be able to come to terms with it. Its just incomparable

[–]smokecheck19766 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't.

You know what I don't have and have never had? Women staring at me because quite frankly they are too pussified to walk over and strike up a conversation. I never had creepy old women making very inappropriate passes at me. I've never had a woman walk up and ask me for oral sex. All of this has happened to women that are friends of mine with me in the area observing.

Quite frankly, I don't mind having to chase and prove myself. It bothers me quite a bit when things are too easy.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless if he's dating that person and she tells him two years in

[–]BestSC8617 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Although on a more rudimentary level, I started to notice that because of what yoo are talking that 20s something women in American cities walk around and carry themselves with the 'abundance mentality' for which so many of the TRP gurus are striving.

You can see it in their walk and demeanor...while the guys are normally less sure.

Then you notice that 30s women all look more bitter.....though with the SJW crap many of them are still strolling around entitled as if guys are checking them out instead of their daughter or young niece walking next to them.

And by the way, American women are the worst...

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP69 points70 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men and women aren't comparable. At all. On anything, not just sex.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname55 points56 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's like apples and orangutans.

[–]bleed_red_white_blue12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Take inspiration from others but the only person you should ever compare yourself to is yourself.

[–]yaardi7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Compare yourself to yourself from the past.

[–]BluestBlackBalls13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that guy from the past

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because the ladies sure didn't

[–]notmyusualreddit27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It isn't even always about jealousy about their sex life. I'm 32 and have been a decently successful dater for 15 years. Even with several multi year LTRs I'm close to about 35-40 partners. I've made sex exciting with locations (hottubs, side of the road, parked in the city, hilltops, and more), had a 3some or two, and all that. And lately I date girls 18-22, and often out of decently long relationships where they are on the rebound. I'm confident I've had more experience than any of them by a good amount (jesus, some are still excited by lame things like shower sex).

Yet I still hate the idea of their previous sex partners. Knowing they exist, fine. Knowing any details literally repulses me. I think it's natural for a male to dislike the idea of the woman he is investing in in any way to give herself to someone else. Its like watching someone else do a burnout in your car.

[–]1PantsonFire123412 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet those guys would be horrified to if they knew their little young princess was getting railed by a guy in his thirties. I know I was until I got older myself. There's never a positive mental reaction within a male when he finds out the girl he fucked was public property. It diminishes your conquest and insults your pride.

If there's one thing I've learned about women is that it's best to just keep sexualizing them without investing even one percent in her emotionally.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fantastic comparison. It takes a.composed man to let someone else hoon your whip.

[–]KryptoniteFree9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am 50 and I have a decent n-count, but I'm not sure I can say it's enough. I'm not sure if it would ever be "enough".

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He said, while taping his bruised and lacerated Weiner to a popsicle stick...

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I still suffer from bouts of jealousy towards women at how easy it is for them to get attention and, most importantly, sex.

[–]mrlavalamp20154 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Living in sin city, recently moved here and I can tell you the triggers for this are everywhere here.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Growing up with 2 sisters, I was very jealous, as a teenager, of the exciting lives they had. Life of the party, their phone's blowing up all day, and receiving tons of attention everywhere they went.

And it wasn't because they were funny, particularly intelligent, or even interesting. They were fertile, had boobs, and, most importantly, vaginas. They had to do nothing to receive this avalanche of attention but to show up and exist.

[–]smokecheck1976103 points104 points  (83 children) | Copy Link

You aren't going to be laying on your death bed saying you wish you had bedded 3 more women.

What will you be thinking on your death bed? Something along the line of, "If only..." If only you had taken the time to write that novel. If only you had taken the time to turn that idea you had into an invention. If only, and we can hope, you had just a few more days, or just a few really important days back. If you are really lucky, someone will be holding your hand as the light grows dim and sound fades away.

I know it's gospel here that women are able to get sex "effortlessly". Most of you would be surprised to find out exactly how hard they have it. The guy they want isn't interested in her. The guy they aren't in to is pressuring them. The guy that pretended to be interested is busy bragging about "his lay" to his buddies in the locker room, and he's off to the next woman. You want to know the best way to get a woman? I'll tell you, offer excitement along with safety and security. Those will mean different things to different women, but if you offer that combination, you are almost always in.

Never forget that the average partners over a lifetime for a woman is about 9, and that's the average (which can be skewed by small outliers), the mean is almost certainly less. Those outliers with high n counts are almost always nuts.

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[–]_TheRP20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is also a really good post. Really good.

The bottom line is that we're all people, ugly girls, hot guys, you, me, the old lady that works the register at the grocery store - all of us have our own shit.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great post. It's good to have the knowledge but don't let it take away your humanity. A lot of opinions posted by various people on TRP is borderline sociopathic.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201610 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A girl can have only slept with 3 dudes in her life before you, and if two were married guys, does that reflect well?

Bad. But possibly tolerable.

Is that girl any less fucked up than the one who got pumped out by 75 guys in 7 years in her 20s?

Worst. (Not a grammatical mistake, I mean that literally.)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are a great person. Thank you for being kind and trying to humanize instead of just thinking the worst of everyone. It's much appreciated.

[–]Steve_Wiener13 points14 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Many to most don't have it any easier. Everyone has problems, it's just that some problems are less unique or harder to relate to than others. My friend has a younger sister that is "hot" I know her and have known her and her entire family well enough to understand that she has a difficult time making guy friends ( i.e. they all want her to date her or sleep with her or get into a relationship with her) and most of the women around her resent her for her beauty. Most women are vicious in that regard. The women who do engage her are ones who want to use her beauty to help access higher SMV men they could not normally get themselves ( and yes, they still privately resent her)

Oh boo fucking hoo. Everyone wants to date you, have sex with you, love you and/or give you free stuff. It really must be so fucking hard for you.

These girls literally do not go a night in their life alone or with out sex or company unless they choose so and you think I should feel sorry for them!? While I'm out here approaching women and getting rejected constantly. I literally cold approached over 40 women this summer and only hooked up with only one of them. And I am attractive. The level of demoralization and pain and frustration you get from approaching woman after woman only to be told that you're not good enough for them, knowing they're fucking other guys while you sit at home alone again, knowing that you work harder than any of them for something the get for absolutely no effort is overwhelming and you want me to feel sympathy for the ones who hold all the cards and laugh at me.

GTFO

[–]smokecheck19765 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Cold Approaching has it's limits. A good salesman understands that cold calls is a volume over quality proposition. If that is going to be your method and you are only going to approach 40 women in a little over 90 days, then yeah, you are only going to close maybe a small handful of deals. It's even worse when you are just pussy hounding, believe me, they have a sixth sense when it comes to that.

Tell me, did you do some volunteer work at an organization? Did you see about joining a coed recreational sports tournament? Did you take a class in something that women are interested in (say like photography or painting)? What did you do to make yourself someone that is interesting and maybe a part of her natural social group? What books on sales and marketing and psychology did you read (and not just the sidebar)?

Being attractive isn't enough and it never has been. Cold call 100 random phone numbers and offer to sell them something. Most won't answer. Most of the rest will hang up. A few will waste your time. Even fewer will be interested. Maybe you get one sell. Do the same thing with a list of people that you know might be interested in your product, and you might sell two or three, it's the nature of things.

[–]2cingle7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you take a class in something that women are interested in (say like photography or painting)? What did you do to make yourself someone that is interesting and maybe a part of her natural social group?

This is beta-bass-ackwards.

If you like photography and/or painting, you take it. Take the class to get close to women? Certainly, step out of your frame, right this way.

[–]smokecheck19762 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, do step outside your frame. Your womanless, sexless frame. Yes, take something that you aren't entirely certain you will enjoy. Keep an open mind.

[–]Greenmarbles4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You know its crazy to read your response, and his response and the response hes replying to...

Its wierd to me because, it clearly illistrates just how much effort you have to put in for something so small, all while reasonable keeping a level head understanding and composure in to whats really important, as a man.

None of you guys are wrong either. To approach 40 women is something the majority of men who existed throughout history never had, or had the balls to do, or even the oppurunity to. But at the same time it means nothing, because, if you want to have success as an average man, (high value men too) you have probably got to approach near the 10,000s, if you want to have the success we all dream about, and that our society and libido requires of us to be able to find satisfaction.

And here I am wondering how steve can be so bitter about what i would consider a herculean task from my perspective. I cannot imagine approaching 40 women, the last time i approached a woman was maybe 2 years ago. And i go out all the time with the intention of doing it, I just cant imagine how I could feel defeated if I approached just 1 woman.

[–]Steve_Wiener1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, you gain a lot of self respect and self confidence after you do it, even when you get shot down. Like, you had the balls to do it, you were man enough to go after what you want, so what if you don't get it.

It's just later on, when you're alone and you see and know all these girls have to do nothing and have a plethora of options to sift through and you have nothing after trying your hardest that the resentment and anger and frustration really builds.

[–]Greenmarbles2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well dude thats fucking awesome. I hope you know that what youre doing is very impressive to someone like me, who lacks confidence, and who is still afraid of being seen shot down in public.

I guess thats why i wonder why youre so down about the whole thing, but obviously this thread was made for you. You do need to stop comparing your sex life to a womans, because you seem to be bittter about it when youre doing more than most men are. You should feel awesome that youre trying your best, as corny as that sounds.

They say success is always right around the corner, and from most respectable opinions ive read, they all went through years and years of crash and burn before they had success, and now they are able to smash hot women you can only dream of. Keep that in mind thats what youre working towards, you know, because if you keep trying thats what youll be able to accomplish aswell.

Thats my 2 cents.

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Yeah you should, women don't have the same sex drive that men do. They don't want to get ploughed anywhere near as much as people on this sub think they do.

Your post reeks of anger phase/beta cuck. Stop being a bitter beta, just accept that some things women have advantage in, and yes, getting sex is one of them, because beta's like you are so thirsty you'd jump into bed with any fat hoe.

[–]2dogsandpizza9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes the 'women don't want sex' meme. I remember thinking that was true as well. Women don't nt want sex from low level guys but they will suck miles of dick when a proper guy comes along.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women have lower testosterone than men, testosterone is the sex hormone. They don't want sex as much as men because their test is a lot lower.

[–]2dogsandpizza6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes but sex for women is not about the act, it's about the emotions behind it. Their version of sex is not testosterone driven, it's emotionally driven.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good, do you want every woman to pity fuck low level guys? I sure as hell don't, they have standards too.

[–]Natural_RP7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you think women don't want sex as much as men you might be retarded and you clearly aren't Alpha. You should work on yourself more.

In fact women want sex MORE they are just far more selective with mates. This shit should be in the sidebar. When a woman is around a top tier man she can wear them out. Three times a night, five, ten whatever. You keep going, they will keep going till their pussy gets too sore to handle it. Or do you really think women just hate multiple body shaking orgasms? That after they've had two they just say "Nah thanks for the offer of 6 more, I'm good." Fuck man give your head a shake.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

agreed. there is clearly a raid happening here.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Empathy for the plight of women isn't in short supply.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 15 points15 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Oh my god, a human i am interested in is not making a move on me, by the heavens what is this cruelty?!

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Said no sane man ever.

[–]mrlavalamp20153 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some truckers drive around with their cb off. Some keep it on. Just cause I don't hear you doesn't mean I'm not listening.

[–]smokecheck19763 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you know who Julia Roberts is? I know she is on the backside of her career, but she was, and still is to me, very physically attractive. Now, do you know who Lyle Lovett is? That dude is a good singer but he has always been an ugly duckling. He was married to Julia Roberts. When they asked why she married him, she commented that no other guy had even hit on her. It turned out her wealth, fame, and beauty actually scared everyone else off.

For everything she had, she was also intensely lonely in her personal life. Everyone wanting and expecting their version of you or wanting shit from you gets really fucking old.

[–]slay_it_forward9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm sure Julia Roberts had a tough time getting dates. Wtf is wrong with you guys?

Poor Julia Roberts.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When in fact Julia Roberts probablybis one of 10 girls on the planet with the luxury to marry for love as a woman. What a horrible thing to happen to her! Its almost like another planet of alpha mega billionaires should exists so she can get back to hypergamy!!!

[–]smokecheck19761 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember an interview where she said exactly that, she couldn't get a date with someone that wasn't a Hollywood weirdo. What did Lyle do that made her fall for him? He opened and held doors for her, he treated her respectfully without being a doormat, and he didn't pretend to be something he wasn't.

Did it last? No. You know what he said of it? "Yeah, I got the girl and I lost her, but even a blind chicken finds corn now and again."

[–]abbafishhead[S] 46 points47 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

You aren't going to be laying on your death bed saying you wish you had bedded 3 more women.

Some of us would, particularly virgins or even n<10 guys. I can reasonably imagine a man with n<10 thinking on his deathbed, "What a waste. I had 80 years of life, and I couldn't even fuck 10 girls." I do agree, however, that this might apply to the guy with dozens of lays.

What will you be thinking on your death bed? Something along the line of, "If only..." If only you had taken the time to write that novel. If only you had taken the time to turn that idea you had into an invention. If only, and we can hope, you had just a few more days, or just a few really important days back.

Umm, you know what those guys who actually wrote novels, pursued their dreams, started businesses, etc. and basically pawned their youths and indeed lives away to achieve their ambitions would say on their deathbeds? "I wish I had allowed myself to have more fun." This automatically includes casual sex for men.

If you are really lucky, someone will be holding your hand as the light grows dim and sound fades away.

How's that lucky? With respect, I think you might be projecting your insecurity and fear of loneliness. Some of us are perfectly fine with living, much less dying, alone.

I know it's gospel here that women are able to get sex "effortlessly". Most of you would be surprised to find out exactly how hard they have it. The guy they want isn't interested in her. The guy they aren't in to is pressuring them. The guy that pretended to be interested is busy bragging about "his lay" to his buddies in the locker room, and he's off to the next woman.

Of course they have their own struggles. It still doesn't change the fact that they have the upperhand by far in the sexual marketplace.

You want to know the best way to get a woman? I'll tell you, offer excitement along with safety and security. Those will mean different things to different women, but if you offer that combination, you are almost always in.

One of my fuck buddies said about her boyfriend, "I love him because he has the right balance of aggressiveness and affection." I guess it all boils down to a mix of alpha/beta traits to start and keep an LTR.

Never forget that the average partners over a lifetime for a woman is about 9, and that's the average (which can be skewed by small outliers), the mean is almost certainly less. Those outliers with high n counts are almost always nuts.

I highly, highly doubt the average n-count of today's women in the US is 9. Maybe if you apply the x3 rule, that sounds about right (27).

[–]efrp10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I highly, highly doubt the average n-count of today's women in the US is 9.

Eggzacklee. I've seen that number thrown around before too, and most girls I know have crossed that number by the time they're in their early 20s. And these are girls that aren't even especially promiscuous - they don't go out every Fri/Sat night looking for dick.

Think about it - let's say she loses her virginity at around 15-16. Even at the extremely conservative and believable rate of 2 guys/year, and considering that most relationships at a young age don't last for many years, that's around 10 guys just by the time she's 21 or so.

I think ~30 sounds like a much more accurate n-count for women in their late 20s/early 30s.

[–]smokecheck19766 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know a lot of women that were not with "one or two" guys a year. They were, and are, selective about who they would date and wouldn't even consider sex outside of a relationship they felt was safe and secure. They didn't have sex at 15 or 16, more like 17 or 18, and they liked guys who had actual interests outside the bedroom. So, yeah, a lot of them have one or two boyfriends in high school and young adulthood, and then they meet a guy in their very early twenties and marry them. They are mostly invisible to the guys on TRP.

[–]IvankasBabyDaddy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unicorns are invisible to most people.

[–]3savoryprunes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I highly, highly doubt the average n-count of today's women in the US is 9. Maybe if you apply the x3 rule, that sounds about right (27).

I'm guessing that figure includes women of all ages, with geriatrics who grew up in a much different era bringing down the average drastically. I'd like to see the figure for 25-45 age range.

[–]suited_up_gorilla1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a partner count not a notch count. Women obviously don't count ONS in partner counts. Hell, I'm not even sure if they count it if it lasts less than a year.

[–]1PantsonFire12345 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You must be a girl because everything I read on your comment were lies.

[–]smokecheck19760 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

  1. Prove they are lies.

  2. How old are you?

[–]1PantsonFire12346 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Totally a girl. Tits or gtfo.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Post indicates this redditor is most likely not a woman, just a cuck. See: post history in deadbedrooms

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There we have it, mistery solved. I love it how accurate the red pill is in explaining shit. While blue pill faggots only use feelz as arguments.

[–]_TheRP10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is very accurate.

If the goal is to have a dick inside of you, any woman can achieve that goal probably every single day with a different guy.

However, that's applying the mindset of a 17 year old, hormones raging, male to a the mind of a woman. That's not how women work.

There needs to attraction, desire, lust and so forth. That's not easy to find for most women. If you want to sleep with her, it's your job to create those feelings.

[–]slay_it_forward2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wish my desire would go down at 34 but nope. Although the hard-ons are as persistent.

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude I wish it were true but I've seen it first hand. It's a slippery slope for women landing into slutsville. There are so many scenario for a girl to get fucked. And all it takes is a couple of times before she gets jaded.

The only thing that could keep her from being an absolute slut is having a boyfriend from an early age to show her the light. Every girl I met that had one and broke up with turned into a whore. They can't bond the same way with their future guys. So they turn into whores. And it's fucking easy for them.

[–]Natural_RP3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who's is upvoting your white knight bullshit? This is horrendous.

[–]smokecheck19761 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because it isn't white knighting. I'm not approving of abysmal behavior or defending such. Pointing out that your information might be faulty and seems to be producing GIGO is trying to help you.

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[–]smokecheck19760 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you struggle with reading? Offer adventure, offer mystery, but believe me, they like it the most when they know there is also security to be had and even though they are thrilled they are also safe.

Look at it this way, people get on roller coasters because they are fun but there are typically huge safety margins installed so the riders are safe. A few scale cliffs without a safety net, but far more ride roller coasters. Maybe, just maybe, if I want to attract women I'm far more likely to attract them with a roller coaster than I am with a sheer cliff in terms of excitement. Then again, that means I do have to work at things a little.

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[–]smokecheck19761 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, it isn't look back on one of the central tenets of the red pill, "A woman seeks alpha for sex, and beta for provision. Ideally, she finds these in the same man." I stated nothing that is not directly in line with that. I'm not certain why you seem to think that "effortless attraction" is actually, or at all, effortless.

[–]drallcom32 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Safe to say that you will always find some regret on your death bed

[–]smokecheck19768 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure my great uncle did. He had lived a full life. I remember asking him when he turned 83 if he was going to live to 100. He looked at me and asked, "Why would I want to do that? I'm 83 and I'm already bored."

[–]RD52 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd like to know where the 9avg lifetime n-count comes from. Do you know and can you show the source?

[–]smokecheck19762 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it comes from a British NHS survey. Here is one article on that, and it claims that the average British woman has 7 or 8 partners.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/11November/Pages/Results-of-UK-Sex-Survey-Published.aspx

Here is a similar review conducted in the US that shows average American women in the 4 to 5 partner range.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm

Either way, the notion that the woman you are talking to, if she is of any quality, has a massive n-count and is getting railed by some other dude she just met isn't supportable given the statistics that we have.

Also, STDs, and not all are stopped by condoms, would spread like wildfire if women were just handing out pussy left, right, and center. Women do not have the same drive or motivations as us when it comes to relationships.

[–]GodEmperorShitLord2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Never ask a fish how to catch fish.

[–]smokecheck1976-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, but you can make a lot of observations. What do they eat? When do they eat? What effects do water temperature and clarity have? What effect does cloud cover have? When are they on bed? Do they eat different things at different times?

Women, on the other hand can talk. If they seem to be acting incongruent to what they personally say they want, then perhaps you need to drill down a bit and see if your observations are in error.

[–]GodEmperorShitLord2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dumbest thing I have heard today.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh go back to TwoX already.

Who fucking cares that they can't get "the guy they want"? Every guy at least once can't get the girl he's after.

Pretending to be interested? Any man here not been led on?

Also, average reported partners. Guys will always increase their reported number, women will not count some partners.

Let me play you a sad song on the world's tiniest violin 🎻

Yeah, the excitement and safety/security is good advice, but that does not entail commitment. And it shouldn't, because no man can keep a woman excited forever. This is one of the most bluepilled comments I've ever seen on this sub, and I'm suspicious as to where all the upvotes come from.

[–]smokecheck19760 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What do you know about statistical surveys? It isn't somebody standing on a street corner asking passersby.

Further, as I have stated, for your claim that most women are having engaging in large amounts of sex with numerous partners, you would need to show a pandemic spread of STD's. Simple math and biology take over from here. Since there is not even an epidemic of STDs at current, you need to prove your claim that the study is falsified.

If you will notice, I didn't mention commitment either, making her feel safe is not necessarily commitment. Depending on the woman in question, it could mean commitment.

As for being led on, it's probably a human experience. Men lead women on to get sex. Women lead men on for attention and possibly commitment. Politician's lead everyone on to get power. Corporations spend massive advertising dollars trying to get more dollars.

I'm probably a little bit of an oddball around here. If a woman tells me that she isn't interested in a relationship but is willing to be friends, I almost always take her up on it. If nothing else, listening to a lot of them gives me insights into the way women think and process information.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why would sex invariably lead to STDs? We have more awareness of treatment/testing than ever, and of course, condoms are very widely available.

[–]smokecheck19760 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Condoms stop most, not all, STDs, and even then, they are not 100% effective against stopping STDs. Herpes, for example, won't necessarily be stopped by a condom at all.

Further, just like any other virus or bacteria, antibiotic treatment can lead to antibiotic resistant strains of the STDs. As I said, higher rates of promiscuity will surely lead to higher rates of infection and strains that are antibiotic resistant. That piece of scientific evidence alone casts doubt on the "she gets railed all day, every day theory".

I'm not saying don't have fun, or don't use protection, just don't kid yourself that you are safe just because you have a rain jacket on.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You just shot holes in your own argument. You're relying on "an epidemic" of STIs to confirm your twisted version of my assertion. And if condoms stop most of them, no epidemic.

Also who said "railed every day". You're twisting my words so much I find it hard to believe you're not a troll

[–]smokecheck19760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I am saying there would be an epidemic of STI's, and increasingly anti-biotic resistant strains of STI's regardless of the use of condoms.

I am not only relying on that, in fact, I only pointed out that for the theory that women are far more promiscuous than scientific studies and surveys indicate, there would logically be a correspondingly higher STI rate. That the current STI rate seems to be in line with surveys is an indication that the survey is likely accurate.

Again, I don't bother pointing directly at you, however at least one person in this thread claimed that a low "real" n-count for a woman is 40.

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[–]smokecheck19760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A bit further in the thread there are links to CDF and British NHS surveys. In the US it seems that the average is 6 or 7, while it is 8 or 9 for the British.

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[–]smokecheck19765 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know, it isn't uncommon for a man to come and go at the same time, by having an orgasm and a heart attack at the same time. You should however realize that these guys are usually around 43. If that's how you want to go, I won't tell you it's wrong. It is a little earlier than I plan to depart.

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[–]1PantsonFire12345 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mine isn't particularly low, it's just that these girls, even though they were all in their early 20s already had double digit partners.

This is the core of the pain. She's a slut and you know it and this makes it impossible to be a pair of two. Because she's been in a literal gangbang.

Turns out she didn't bother to count blowjobs, which would have put her at 20...

Don't believe that it ended with that. Women will trickle truth all the way till the moon. To this day I remain oblivious to how many guys my exes have had and I will always suspect them. The lies never stop.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then get to the exclusive club of triple-digit n-counts like the rest of us.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course you can't. Women get sex for free, men have to pay with it in one way or another, even if that involves investment in becoming a better man.

Somebody who gets something for free is always going to have more of it than people that have to pay.

It's really not that big a deal that women get more sex, all they have to do is sit back, wait for the lines, pick some chump and spread her legs.

Now ask a woman, what she has built or invented and it will be nothing. Most women are simply just pieces of meat.

[–]EdvardMunch4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't exactly feel better about myself for banging a bunch of women. It's also really easy for me, which is like most women. Consider that perspective and know those girls with low counts who are worth a damn will be turned off by you having slept with so many. Quality of the girls does factor in.

[–]1StuttBuffer5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've experienced that same change of attitude. A notch on my belt is something I can brag about. A notch on a woman's belt is something she might giddily divulge to close friends, but otherwise she will hide it for the sake of her reputation. Men and women are truly playing different sports.

[–]efrp4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want. What they're after is commitment.

Exactly.

It's similar in a way to why so many guys aren't interested in hookers, even though we all know that if we paid we could score with a really gorgeous one. Because in the back of our minds, we know that she's only doin it with you for the money, and she'll do the same with 1000 other guys who pay. There's no validation in getting with a hooker, nothing to brag about.

So women also realize that while they can get laid any time, for many guys, they're nothing more than an additional notch on their n-count, and that doesn't provide any validation to them either. Commitment from a guy they're into, however, does, which is why they see that as a true measure of their own value - how many quality guys are willing to actually commit to them.

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

To bad allot of them are shit bad at recognizing when a guy is actually up for commitment or is just playing them for whatever reason.

[–]Skwerilleee4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is because guys have become very good at faking commitment to get the casual sex they want. It's a big vicious cycle really.

[–]1PantsonFire12345 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was about to say "Hmmm I wonder why" but you are right, it is a cycle. Though I think women initially only had to deal with guys whom were out of their league 'faking commitment'. They took their frustration out on other guys and now every guy learns to fake commitment.

Places like this and even the whole "Cuck" meme are a direct response to women taking it to far. Man adapts and find that other methods are more effective in getting him sex than giving honest commitment.

Women made their bed, now they have to lie in it.

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The biological term is 'arms race'. These things can lead both parties to places neither of them would prefer to go, but they play the hand they are given or lose.

The seeds are all here for an epic arms race. We are mammals with internal fertilization and a long gestation period, and a very long period of neonatal care. This is too much for a woman to handle on her own, so she needs resources and parental investment from a man. At the same time, she wants the highest quality sperm to increase the lifetime success of her offspring, but she may not be able to get the resource commitment from high-quality men. So, she shops around to harvest sperm from the highest quality men she can attract, meanwhile trying to get resources where she can get it, lying if she needs to in order to get a man to invest in children that may not be his own.

For the man, if you can inseminate many women without investing it is a big win, but you still want to invest in one (or two, depending on how rich you are) to ensure greatest chance of survival for at least some. Meanwhile, being cucked is an absolutely huge genetic disaster.

And there you have it. Men place high value on sleeping with as many women as possible (high n-count feels good). Women want to sleep with a high-quality man but it only takes one; but if they can't get one to commit, then harvest his sperm and get someone else to commit. Without commitment there is no win (high n-count feels like a failure), because a single mother was a dead or at least extremely poor mother. So she learns to lie, to cover up just how much sperm harvesting she has done. Men, meanwhile, become better at detecting infidelity than women (the cost of her mate's infidelity can be nothing so long as he keeps investing only in her), and feel 'disgust' if a woman has slept around, as she is likely to keep sleeping around even if he commits to her. Modern society is femcentric, and in pushing the female side of the arms race further, it brings about a stepping-up on the men's side, who are more and more choosy about giving away commitment (which translates into less and less wanting to be pair-bonded, which in turn means a reduction in good feelings towards women generally). Classic arms race.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great comment, definitely post worthy. This is exactly my sentiment. One thing you forgot to incline in this is that both parties want the hottest mates they can attract. This isn't exclusive to one of either sex. The only difference being that men tend to lower their standards quickly when a lower opportunity presents itself. Women are still very much limited by what attention their looks can pull.

Evolutionary speaking the hottest women get the most visits from the Alpha. This increases odds of conception. And followed by possible resources or protection. The lower a woman is on the HB scale the less visits and therefor less odds of conception and possible resources. Even worse, women that get socially outed as a slut might lose social standing and commitment opportunity all together. This means woman have to tread a careful balance between their two goals in order to be succesfull in sexual production.

Everything in life is a mirrored balance if you look close enough, men and women sexual dynamics are no different. For an example of the results of slutty women who overextend their hand and go overboard on the AF/BB look no further than the single mom.

Generally single mothers are impregnated by higher value Alpha seed and then dumped. Often failing to secure long lasting BB commitment. The first complication arises in the fetal stage. Because her lower quality looks imply lower quality fertility it's a direct cause of complications during pregnancy. Ranging from lower hormonal production in the child, insufficient nutrients, early pregnancy and bad mixing with her own genes.

Thus the child is already born weaker than his/her Alpha father despite having 50% of his higher value genes. Now comes the second trail single mothers often fail at. Which is successfully completing the neonatal care period, as you called it. This includes lack of resources leading to malnutrition. Lack of protection leading to high stress and dangerous situations. All of it impacting the development of the child. In the end the kid is a stunted half breed who never reached full potential. Look up the statistics for children of single mothers. All of them are bad. From future prospects, health, emotional health all the way to drug use and crime.

Biologically these humans are automatically deselected sexual reproduction. Female offspring repeating the cycle but only worse. Male offspring often times not reproducing at all. People don't directly realize this. But female genes are often times indirectly deselected in the evolutionary chain.

Those with mothers whom had sluttish/low value straits are less likely to pass on their genes. Which in turns means that mother nature creates an environment where low value women don't extend their genetic line. But only observable one or two generations down the line, instead of observing it first hand like with low value men.

Besides that the arms race is real. Men and women both adapt to better suit their needs. Due to the last decade or more of femcentric rule the male part of society is currently gaining momentum for a great sexual revolution. You can see this everywhere, politics, culture.

I wouldn't be surprised if women face a very bad streak of miserable years in the future for the pendulum that swung so far. It's much more interesting however to observe how they respond to our hand and counteract this response. Hopefully leading to a more balanced dynamic in a couple generations.

[–]abbafishhead[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's similar in a way to why so many guys aren't interested in hookers, even though we all know that if we paid we could score with a really gorgeous one. Because in the back of our minds, we know that she's only doin it with you for the money, and she'll do the same with 1000 other guys who pay. There's no validation in getting with a hooker, nothing to brag about.

Which planet do you live on, my dear sir? This sub loves hookers. And I'm completely disgusted by it.

[–]Stythe4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I used to feel this way. I remember meeting a 17 year old who asked me my n count. I had maybe 4 or something at the time. She replied "Oh honey..." in a mocking tone and told me hers was almost 30. She wasn't even good looking. I remember feeling like a loser.

Now I look back with the correct mindset and my situation improved and think... damn, she's a mess. I was looking at things the wrong way.

It's true though, it's not the same game. And the gane itself isn't what it looks like. It's not getting women, it's getting women to try to get you, and that means you do you first and foremost.

[–]1PantsonFire12346 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I used to feel this way. I remember meeting a 17 year old who asked me my n count. I had maybe 4 or something at the time. She replied "Oh honey..." in a mocking tone and told me hers was almost 30. She wasn't even good looking. I remember feeling like a loser."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

No way, this girl actually bragged to you in a condescending tone about her N-count? Man I can only pray to the gods that one day I'll have one of those moments. It would be the hardest laugh a woman has ever received to her face.

[–]lqtys3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's funny how the age of decadency for women (about 30) is the same as the beginning of SMV peaking for men (the 30s). It's how nature and natural/sexual selection has programmed them to settle for the best provider.

It's not per se that we're jealous that they did it with someone other than us; it's that we compare their experiences to our own, and then realize how "behind" or "inexperienced" we are.

It's not just that feeling of being inexperienced when compared with them (or jealously when applicable), it's also a disgusting feeling. When I imagine any woman I already know having sex with other men (and/or women) in the past, and the higher the n-count the worse, I feel a very disgusting feeling. I can't think of a better word to define it. DISGUSTING.

[–]1PantsonFire12345 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same way a woman feels when she finds out her idealized boyfriend is a betacuck. Men have standards to and this means looks x vaginal purity.

Now it's important for men to tackle the current epidemic of whores with a battle plan. The only reason I initially felt bad about promiscuous girls was when I liked them and I wanted to date them but I knew I could never live up to the collective memory of fifty cocks slamming into her.

Other reasons it feels bad is because you want to connect with her and you know it's a fools errand. You want to impress her but odds are you can't. And you want to be her captain both sexually and non-sexually, but she's the experienced one.

This means that the old template of marriage and even relationships doesn't work. Remember that the odds of you ending up with such a girl are increasingly high in today's world.

So sadly men have to adapt by declining any chance of bonding, learning to lie to their faces and opt for pump and dumping. You can't perform for her to be assured of her staying loyal. Also, who's to say that she will ever open up sexually for you like she did with all those strangers?

It's easy to open up to people you don't know, that's why every form of interaction including sexuality has become anonymous or less personal. Girls are not exempt of that, she will be more of a slut towards a stranger she has nothing to lose with. Simple.

So the only way to go is to allow women to slut it up, allow her to lie to you about how innocent she is. Then let her believe whatever story she tells herself about the relationship the two of your share. While you do your thing and pay her no heed. Empty your load, have your fun and then move on.

[–]1ozaku74 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I am more impressed by the fact that all women are fucking ho's who fuck half the population a day on average and most of you don't even come close to their number. For every women that gets fucked, a man had to do it, or they all attend a lesbian orgy of some kind.

So somewhere, there's a bunch of dudes that got as often laid as the women you speak of, but none of them seem to be here, lol. Also makes me wonder what kind of women you attract.

[–]1PantsonFire12345 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very good post man, you hit every note and you kept it short and concise. Bravo. This one really bugged me for a long time. One of the girls I once dated turned out to be borderline. She confessed part of her sexual past during a fight. It bothers me to this day. I learned how much girls lie about everything and how easy it is for an even average or unattractive girl to have sex.

It makes it impossible to maintain a healthy relationship. She will be jaded and unable to appreciate having a guy within her league. Even if you are slightly out of her league. She will never have you at number one. And without being number one, the power dynamic in the relationship is unbalanced.

Nowadays women throw their vaginas around as easily as a one dollar bill. And that's perfectly fine for the professional sluts. The problem arises for girls who want their cake and eat it to. She will realize she can't over and over again. Leaving a trail of men in her wake.

In the end you just need to accept that these women are damaged and beyond saving. In my book it's not normal for a commitment interested girl to be experienced with..

"* n>20. She told me these wonderful stories about threesomes, hookups, swinging, all the ethnicities she "tried," all the locations of her daring sexcapades, orgies/parties, etc"*

When a woman does all that it's a sign of more to come. It's a direct induction of her low value. Comparable to how we judge our male SMV. Beta traits are a sign of low value, Sluts traits are a sign of low value.

[–]2comment6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When they're disillusioned by the Cock Carousel, being pumped and dumped for the umpteenth time, and feel the societal/biological pressures to settle down and get married before it's too late, we're only beginning to come into form.

Less disillusioned, more flung off. Oh, they still can get guys easily, but not the studs they really want. Plus the biological clock must have some effect.

Guys ought to know that their ex-CCer didn't "mature" and suddenly fall for them, they just were the last place pick in a poorly played game of sexual leap frog.

[–]saibot836 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My sister is close to the wall and there are weekly calls to my mom where she moans about how time is running out if she wants to have a family, wondering what she's doing wrong (Hint: she's got a cunty attitude in general). I haven't said anything to either of them but my thoughts are basically "Bitch, all you need to do is have a pulse and not be a cunt and you're home free". I don't know much about her dating life and I don't want to but I know she's nowhere near ugly, objectively speaking and know that there is the occasional guy in her life. They really don't know how good they have it.

Me, I haven't gotten laid in 2 years and counting despite actually trying. Nothing but rejections. Forget about any sort of actual ltr. And I'm not even ugly. It's like men and women exist on different planets.

[–]assured_destruction6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some women are picky. They do have low counts and only then in committed relationships. They are good at saying no. Then they get married and still think they need to say no and be a good girl or they won't be respected.

It sucks at both extremes

[–]bluedrygrass8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

"Always remember -- while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want."

Whjat the fuck op? You were doing so good, and you fail SO hard on something so basilar?

Come the fuck on. You really believe this bullshit? It's incredible the amount of totally blue things that even most endorsed or long time posters here candidly state sometimes.

Women ABSOLUTELY ADORE SEX and everything related to it, op. They like it even more than us. And the sexual innuendos. And masturbation, or jokes about it. And the stories. and whatnot. But mostly sex. Women don't get videogames, nerd movies, abstract concepts, all that shit that can entertain a man. Women's main entertainment is relationships, and the carnal part is the most feelz- inducing.

Fuck, op, you're at the levels of complete newb that just started the sidebar on that.

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think what he meant that women need more than sex from a man while a man doesn't need more than sex from a woman. Also women are more about the implications of sex than the fucking itself. Which is why their so obsessed with where, when and how.

They love it but differently from men. Generally speaking women would have more interest in being sexually validated by a man who offers more than a pump and dump. If he himself is of high value this is the highest compliment. But women quickly fall down the rabbit hole of sluttyness so you are right. They love it more then men by then.

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, op has clearly stated that they almost never enjoy sex. Which is the kind of bullshit not even most blue piller would say. It says more about his own sexual experiences.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, well I hope he doesn't truly believe that. His idea held a core of truth. Women enjoy sex differently. But not at all, that's incorrect.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Which do you think they want more, commitment or sex?

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think they really do want commitment, but our society and culture tell them to be whores. Once they get commitment they read on social media, magazines and listen to music about how boring that life is.

Going out, partying, hooking up, having drama filled relationships is shoved down these whores mouths. So even when they get their perfect relationships early on, they will always want more because that's what they taught. They hear all the stories their whore friends tell them and then they feel that they are not living.

Relationships are dead now. You can get them easier by 30ish because as everyone mentions, that's when the media and others around them start questioning when they will settle down and get married. For most women it will be too late because they will have to settle for someone they dont really want.

But being married and having kids give them feeling of ecstasy because now they have something to brag about to all their friends and family.

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you change the argument? You said women don't want sex. That's incredibly false.

[–]throwaway_advice42 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really needed this. Thank you.

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[–]2kevin322 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want. What they're after is commitment. And their high n-counts are something that they have to carry around as a badge of shame, as a reminder of what loose, standardless sluts they once were. It's something they have to make peace with, once the dust settles and the fun and games end, and they realize that their high n-counts are just evidence of their inability to secure commitment from a whole string of men who saw them as nothing but cum buckets.

Unless they grew up with conservative values about relationships, attractive women only want commitment after they're no longer carousel-riding material. And to my bias, no woman is ashamed for having a high N-count. If they were, there would be no SlutWalk or complaints about how "a man with many lovers is a stud, but a woman with many lovers is a slut."

Women only pretend to be ashamed of slutty behavior to gain sympathy from beta-providers and those in their social circle who frown upon their behavior. A woman's carousel years span roughly 10 years. That's a long time to do something that you would then be "ashamed" of when you're no longer allowed to play anymore.

While I agree to an extent that a man comparing his sex life with that of a woman's is counterproductive if it leads to long-term anger and depression, that anger can be used as a catalyst for productive changes in a man's behavior and approach to getting laid.

However, I think your overall message of not griefing over a woman's N-count in comparison to yours is good motivation.

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And to my bias, no woman is ashamed[2] for having a high N-count.

You are confusing shame and guilt. I don't think women feel guilty about sleeping with many men, they are just following a biological imperative to a) harvest high-quality sperm and b) use sex as a way to get a man to commit to her. She is ashamed at the idea of this becoming common knowledge, or more specifically at it becoming known to men - especially a man she is looking for commitment from. That would compromise the success of her plan.

As she gets older, if she is alone she will feel bad (but not guilty) about how many men she slept with, because it is an indicator of how much she failed. If she has a good relationship, she won't feel bad (guilty), she will just be concerned about it becoming known (shame).

[–]Piediver2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men tend to peak towards their 30's?

[–]casemodsalt3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't bring it up but if they do, it's pretty much time to vomit at whatever they spew

[–]Rhonun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading this made me sad. This seems like a superbly empty lifestyle.

[–]coolasice0072 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

im all for females slutting it up bc thats what I do...I notice how we berate females for doing in their prime what we want to be doing in our prime

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't complain because I never had to, life is good

[–]BlackVale1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for this post. I often get approach anxiety because I have a low n count but this alleviates some of the pressure.

[–]FrameWalker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey you don't get to tell me what kind of slut I get to be. I'll out flank most sorority girls in N-count.

[–]just_waitforit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Orgies/parties are like a trigger word for me. I'm always like shit, there's something I missed out on. Never heard of it going on in my SEC college. Like how the fuck does that go down in a woman's life (assuming she's sexy) ?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree on most points, but its just as easy for an Alpha male to get sex if they want it. "Getting sex is UNBELIEVABLY EASY for even fat/ugly girls" - Only out of a chad/beta selection. They struggle just as much as betas do to get 6+/10s. Its very unlikely for an Alpha male who has success, a well exercised physique and well established control over their lives to give them any attention unless they're desperate. I'd rather spend my time working on things that will make my future potentially better, instead of contracting an std. I only go after plates that have potential/education/some measure of success/aren't crazy/inheritance. I'm damn picky. There's also the fact that classier women tend to choose Alphas because they can/have the looks or environment to demand it. Men mate across and down, women mate across and up.

[–]1PantsonFire12345 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised how many high value Alpha males 10+ fuck ugliest and fatties whenever they have a dry spell or it's just thrown into their laps. Maybe your picky but these guys have had enough sex to not need an all-star line up. They can handle a couple walk-ons inbetween.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men have different criteria for non-committed sex and commitment. This is basic. Men generally will sleep with any woman they are not actively repulsed by, but have much higher standards about women they will commit to. This is because before modern society and child support etc, getting a woman pregnant was no cost at all, but committing to parental investment was a very big cost indeed.

Women get confused about this. Because a 8/10 will sleep with them they assume they must be at least this good themselves (since women don't sleep down, therefore they must be at least at 8 themselves), but then find that the man doesn't commit, so they become bitter. This is the way of the alpha widow, and why women with lots of sexual partners tend to be broken. They slept with higher quality men than they can get commitment from, which leads to an inflated sense of their own SMV, but they have to 'marry down' (in their eyes) to get commitment. Women do not look kindly on men they see as below them.

[–]Hilarious_Haplogroup0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no need to ask who she's slept with, how many, etc. She's not yours, it's just your turn. Just be happy that you are fucking her right now. When the time comes to move on, move on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. This has never come up with a girl before except my first gf who I knew was a virgin.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

Very few girls, perhaps 5 percent or less in my experience, sleep around casually for long periods of time the way that many men do and most men wish they could. There's usually nothing exciting to a woman about just "getting sex" the way a man does.

I've known several girls who I presumed to be sluts based on how they've talked and acted, but upon discussing them in more detail with someone who knows them very well I've learned that they've "slept with less than 5 guys." Many girls who even consciously think that they're sluts really aren't. In many cases a single one night stand will prompt a girl to think she's a whore. Silly America.

That said, I'm glad that my n-count is high enough that even if a girl has been with a large number of men, I've about doubled hers. That might be an insecurity, but it worked for me.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Silly boy. Slept with less than 5 guys = had less tha five boyfriends. A huge number of modern women don't even count one nights stands in the n count because it was 'just for fun' or 'I was tipsy' or 'it was his idea'

don't deny the hamster

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's not that difficult to discern the difference between an n-count that is a lie and an n-count that is honest. Depending on the situation in which its asked, who is answering, with what level of detail they're answering, and the incentives which a woman has to tell the truth or to lie, you can be reasonably confident you're getting good information.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Read the sidebar. She internalizes the lie immediately after the fact. I.e. I didn't really just fuck that guy in a nightclub bathroom; I was drunk. And that just doesn't get added to the n count. Ever. Next year she won't even remember it. Or, I didn't just fuck that guy because he came in one minute, so that doesn't really count and she just never considers that guy again.

I'm not talking about an actual lie, as in she thinks 42 and says 7. She thinks 7 and says 7 because she literally thinks of herself as having seven partners, but somehow 17 men have been in her vagina. It doesn't make sense. Don't ask, don't care.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure that some women do lie about their n count the way that you've just described. I'm not trying to NAWALT, but this is not the norm in my experience. TRP tends to take maybe the bottom 20 percent of female behavior and extrapolate it to all women via the AWALT concept. It's not accurate.

I'm in my 30s and date almost exclusively white girls 18 to 21. I have had detailed, very open conversations about the sexual history of many of these girls, not as a screening process but just out of curiosity. I'm telling you that only a fraction of them are getting banged every couple days, slutting it up in a nightclub bathroom, etc.. Most girls have an inherently conservative disposition towards sex, and when they find an alpha, which happens only every 6 months to a year, they willingly become his sex toy.

The dogma in TRP that all girls are sluts is just not accurate. All girls have the potential to be sluts, and many girls have acted slutty, but to describe all girls as sluts is like describing all men as domestically violent. It's just isn't the case.

I admit here that these sentiments might be tainted by the fact that I do not often date women older than 22.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

TBH bro, I'm 24, and I hang out with these girls as friends and use them to meet girls at the bar. They don't tell me shit because I don't ask, I see. They're not having sex multiple times a WEEK, no, but they have a random hook up, or a new FWB, every month or so. Sometimes it's even me.

I do, however, think that conservative girls are a lot more common than the red pill dictates. At 24 I still know people who are virgins, or one partner girls. I also know girls my age who would n do tell the hot 35 year old that's giving them attention that they're shy about sex and only had a few boyfriends ;) the question it leaves in my mind is, which is better if you are going for LTRs? The ones who get it out, or the ones who keep it? Once they start, can they stop? If they don't, is it a matter of time? Will anyone, anywhere, truly be happy with what they've got? Who knows. Who cares. C'est la vie. Laissez faire.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If there were two girls that I had to be in a long term relationship with, who looked identical, and all I knew about them other than their looks was that one had slept with 5 guys and one had slept with 50, I would choose the 5-guy girl.

But the same could be true of her height. I'd choose a 5'2 girl over a 5'7 girl.

I'd choose a college educated girl over a non-college educated girl.

Point is that there are many variables that go into a person and ultimately its the energy and chemistry that happens when you're with her which determines the viability of a relationship.

If you're looking for an actual wife to raise children with, that's probably a different matter.

I know girls who sleep with multiple NEW partners every week. These are super sluts, and I have never seen that kind of regularity kept over more than a period of a couple months, although one girl has no sign of stopping. She's a train wreck of a human being. I fucked her.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

someone is sticking his head in the sand, I know man, it's a horrible truth. now listen to it and accept it so you will be better for it one day

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Productive discussion involves communicating ideas, arguments, and information. It can be anecdotal, it can be controversial, but just saying "Dude, you're wrong" isn't worth writing and isn't worth reading.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you're smart enough to write like that then you should be smart enough to understand that women have 1. ample opportunity 2. like sex 3. lie a fuckton 4. got raised in a degenerative western culture and 5. are inclined to always look for greener grass due to their hypergamy.

Im not saying women are all sluts. I'm saying that allot of them are. Just like we have allot of betas in our society. Both men and women have dropped the ball in current times.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's nothing you just said that I disagree with.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then we can at least agree on this part. Good.

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Lol, all it takes for a woman to fuck 24 guys in a year is a couple moments of weakness. Grab your calendar and see how easy it is to fill out 24 spots without feeling slutty. Couple here and a couple there. Maybe three in a row during summer time. Another two at the end. Now add one boyfriend in the winter and the new boyfriend in the summer. Five boys in between the break up. And your already up there.

This is the average girls life nowadays because she fails to keep a man that excites her

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Probably less than 5 percent of girls are going to fuck 24 guys in a year. I know these sluts, I have banged them and gotten videos of them banging other guys. I know this demographic very well. And I love them. And I'm telling you that this is is a minority of women. The data on this suggests that women are not having sex with 24 guys a year, and not 12 guys a year, and that also represents my own anecdotal experience.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Obviously not all women, but young women in this current generation are more likely to be this demographic than older earlier generations. You know this. You also know that the current college/party/tinder culture makes it very easy for women to behave like this.

Ever girl I've met up and until now showed signs of being atleast an N-count 10.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

young women in this current generation are more likely

Clearly.

current college/party/tinder culture makes it very easy for women to behave like this

Yep.

N-count 10.

If I was looking for a wife, a number that high would startle me. I'm into non-monogamous relationships and virtually no n-count is high enough that it would undo any positive traits she happened to have: attention-giving, thoughtfulness, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's a clear sign of low value. You are supposed to be disgusted by her high N-count like she would be if you were Beta. These are sexual performance indicators. Beta means you aren't equipped to deal with the world around you on your own. Slut means you aren't equipped to deal with the man who can deal with the world on his own.

Both are big primers for rejection, only our society likes to pretend this isn't true. Especially for women but also for men. Anything above an N-count 5 is a big 'buh bye' for me emotionally.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The correlation between between n-count and low value isn't nearly as strong as you think it is. There are often problems with dating a girl with a low-n count, such as excessive clinginess, sexual hangups, and even oversexuality. I had a girlfriend whose virginity I took and she wanted sex twice a day while I wanted it every other day.

I think when a girl is 19 and has slept with 40 guys, its a strong hint that there's something wrong with her. I will give you that. But there are different kinds of sluts. There are sex-positive sluts, and there are sluts who want to commit to a man but she isn't worth it and so she's never texted back after the first, slutty date.

Overall, I find your assessment of a person based on how many dicks have been in her body overly simplistic and ultimately of limited use.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I had a girlfriend whose virginity I took and she wanted sex twice a day while I wanted it every other day.

How is this a bad thing? You ruined something good dude. These are all signs that the girls is madly for you. While most sluts will grow bored of you within a month. Are you more excited about women who reject you than those who like you?

Overall, I find your assessment of a person based on how many dicks have been in her body overly simplistic and ultimately of very limited use.

The amount of dicks she's had will be a deciding factor for how your relationship turns out. But be my guest and ignore my warnings.

But there are different kinds of sluts. There are sex-positive sluts, and there are sluts who want to commit to a man but she isn't worth it and so she's never texted back after the first, slutty date.

I don't even understand what this means. There's only one type of sluts and that's a slut. You can be a big slut or a minor slut, but both are sluts. Sluts are all fun and game when you are only having sex. But getting accidentally committed to one will prove you fatal man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How is this a bad thing?

I thought it was good at the time but I seriously do not want to have sex twice a day. I also don't want to be told "fuck me harder!" when she has no idea that if I fucked her harder I would cum and the sex would be over. LOL. Oversexuality is exciting at first but kind of annoying when you want to settle into a reasonable groove instead of just constantly fucking.

deciding factor

It'll be a factor. Probably one factor out of 10 other facts. It's relevant how many guys a girl has been with. Absolutely relevant. But it's one piece of information among many others which will determine how the relationship plays out.

There's only one type of sluts and that's a slut.

There a sluts by choice, who actually pump and dump men, and there are sluts out of poor judgement and bad self-esteem.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought it was good at the time but I seriously do not want to have sex twice a day. I also don't want to be told "fuck me harder!" when she has no idea that if I fucked her harder I would cum and the sex would be over. LOL. Oversexuality is exciting at first but kind of annoying when you want to settle into a reasonable groove instead of just constantly fucking.

Sounds like a libido problem more than anything. I know what it's like when your testosterone is suffering. I had that in one relationship to. But it sounds like this girl truly laid her desires for you on the table and wanted to connect socially. That's a good thing.

I had girls who were to afraid to even admit they liked sucking balls because I gave them the impression I would dump them easily. And they didn't want to appear promiscuous.

Ideally you want a girl that constantly begs to get fucked by you, it means she's most likely not begging someone else.. You should be worried if she's not wanting the D all the time.

It'll be a factor. Probably one factor out of 10 other facts. It's relevant how many guys a girl has been with. Absolutely relevant. But it's one piece of information among many others which will determine how the relationship plays out.

I'd love to hear your reasoning for why you would eventually commit to a slut if all the other 9 factors checked out.

There a sluts by choice, who actually pump and dump men, and there are sluts out of poor judgement and bad self-esteem.

One is born out of the other. You're a smart guy I feel, you should be able to ponder the meaning of that sentence and understand.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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