Red Pill TheoryCounterfeit Red Pills (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil

In the movie The Matrix, a man named Neo is floating around in a giant tub of pink semen while robots harvest his asshole for energy. Neo doesn't know about the energy harvest taking place, because the assrobots have sedated him with a virtual reality called the Matrix. Neo thinks that he's working in an office wearing a suit when in reality he's a naked guy floating around getting his ass drilled by robots.

The problem is that the robots are so busy drilling everyone's assholes that they forgot to fix the glitches in their virtual reality program. Neo notices the glitches and begins to think that something is weird. Wanting to get to the bottom of the situation Neo goes to a mysterious hotel within the Matrix. There he finds a Black guy named Morpheus. As is customary among the Blacks, Morpheus offers Neo some drugs: a Red Pill that allows him to see the truth and a Blue Pill sedative probably xanex.

Neo decides to take the Red Pill and honestly who could blame him? If you are being offered free drugs you obviously go with the most expensive option. Anyway The Red Pill is so fucking strong it immediately wakes Neo up from his 26 year slumber. He sees the Real. Robots are ass harvesting everybody. It's fucking crazy as fuck. He starts freaking out and the robots get rid of him so that they can assharvest someone more chill.

This community has chosen to call itself The Red Pill. In other words by its name alone, this community is implicitly making a very big promise to its readers. That promise is to deliver truth so potent that it will wake the reader from his pink semen tub slumber and allow him to save himself from exploitation by assrobots.

Allright so how do we deliver on our promise? Every Endorsed Contributors has their own unique answer to this question. Rollo Tomassi belives that by showing men the map of the Sexual Marketplace he can help them understand what is happening and avoid the roborape of becoming a beta provider. Archwinger teaches men the micro strategies of intergender relations in the hopes that they will extrapolate up and see the big picture. I GaylubeOil have taken the classic Spartan position, that by putting a man through physical hardship it is possible to reprogram his mind. All of us have our own unique process by which we take men from one state and transform them into a stronger state. So for example if a Red Piller's girlfriend accidently on purpose sits on a strange dick, he will be well prepared. Rollo taught him the hypergamous nature of women. Archwinger taught him about the female rationalizion ego preservation tactic. GaylubeOil has given him the physique to be competitive on Tinder and the will to persevere during stress. This is our hope as ECs and this is how we justify our content as Red Pill.

Unfortunately there is another group of men claiming to be the Red Pill. Lets call them the Counterfeiters. The Counterfeiters are quick to point out whats wrong with society but at no point do they offer a solution. Being angry at society for valuing women above men as it has done since the beginning of time doesn't accomplish anything. Being angry at women for forsaking logic in favor of emotion doesn't change anything. Yelling at the ocean for being salty and undrinkable doesn't transform it into fresh mountain spring water. However, that is exactly what Paul Elam MGTOWs and MRAs are doing. The tragic irony of the Counterfeiters is that by pretending to offer a solution they prevent men from finding a real solution. Venting frustration at women is not self improvement. It's one thing to discuss flaws in female thinking with they aim of greater understanding and perhaps sexual exploitation. It's another thing complety to write off all women and live in a pleasure cave of alcohol, masturbation and self inflicted victimhood.

At the end of the day men are masters of their own destiny. If a man wants to live his life in a virtual reality of video games, alcohol and increasingly bizarre pornography that's fine. There is nothing I or anyone else can do to stop him. However hiding from reality is by definition not the Red Pill. Anyone telling you otherwise is a counterfeiter selling Blue Pills painted Red. What I'm saying is that Paul Elam wants you to get assraped by Robots and that you should buy Rollo's book and lift.

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[–]ModRedSovereign[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (16 children)

Note to everyone: Concern trolling is not tolerated in this sub, and anyone doing so will be banned immediately. This post itself is not concern trolling.

[–]1Original_Dankster 109 points110 points  (35 children)

Ok, I came to TRP via MGTOW. I remember after a breakup, I googled "can a man be happy being single?" and found the MGTOW community - but once I dug in to reading what's out in the greater manosphere, I realized that TRP is more for me.

That said... MGTOW isn't offering a counterfeit red pill, at least in my opinion. They have the same change of perception as we do... They simply calculate that the opportunity cost of improving SMV is too high.

For example - I know a musical prodigy. The man is at the level of that drummer kid in that movie Whiplash. He don't got time for no pussy, life to him is about the keyboard. He's dedicated himself to 88 keys. He might not be MGTOW in his own mind, but he pretty much has their philosophy.

Anyways, just saying MGTOW isn't "giving up" - it's coming to a different conclusion about life.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 79 points80 points  (29 children)

Obesity decadence and self indulgence are the symptoms of a terminaly I'll society. What MGTOWs don't understand is that by improving their SMV they improve their social standing. This isn't just about sex. Weak men are the first to get sacrificed by society.

[–]JudoMonk 20 points21 points  (0 children)

True, many people don't really understand how different you are treated if you have good looks and have an athletic build. Almost everyone teats me nicely even when I'm being an asshole except the betas that are jealous of me. Even if you don't have good looks you can do a lot to improve men don't necessary need good looks they just need to be well kept in shape and masculine.

[–]human_bean_ 46 points47 points  (13 children)

Muscle doesn't define class, money does.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Not class perhaps, but it does help with value. Money, Looks, Status. There are other things too but these all improve value and perceived value. That is why even those who MGTOW should improve these aspects... they do not.

[–]Thizzlebot 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Not class perhaps,

Money literally defines class. If you have money you are high class if you don't you aren't. It's that simple. You aren't going to country clubs and driving a tesla if you are poor.

[–]MyLittlePonyofDoom 10 points10 points [recovered]

Yep, bet some old rich wrinkly dudes have some muscled guy doing yard work while they fuck off to the country club. Honours in the dollar.

[–]Amanhasnoface 3 points3 points [recovered]

And the muscled guy gets to fuck their wife.

Circle of life...

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Money does determine class. However studies have shown the more attractive you are the more you make. There will also be exceptions for the overtly intelligent or lucky but there are far more professional hockey players in the 10% than Elon Musks in this world. There always will be more opportunities for fit men.

How many overweight CEO's or even executive level directors do you see outside of the occasional CTO position?

The answer is almost none. Women respond to attractiveness. HR is driven by women. Advancement is determined by the ability to game women which attractiveness plays a huge part.

The work force climb is very much the same as the SMV ladder. Most just are blind to it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Not money; social connections. If you have money with no social connections, you will become a target. People will steal from you, gang up on you, file law suits, or find a million other ways to force you to part way with your money.

If you have strong social connections, you could survive even if you had no money to speak of.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Social standing. You mean trying to make people envious of you? How about seeking internal validation rather than external validation.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

You mean...

Everytime people start with those words, it's clear as fuck they're trying to rephrase what the first dude (that they're replying to) said, but with it, changing the point of his comment.

You just made a textbook example of that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

that's why I keep coming back here... gold nuggets like your comment.

GJ keeping the faggotry in check!

[–]QruCiFiX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel what you mean man, i got a muslim friend. He isn't a redpill dude, but he got something he's passionate about, only thinks about school and learning about his religion. That's enough for us to respect each other, passion recognize passion. I know it's subjective but i think a part of manhood is really caring about something and working to figure it out, i think most dudes surround themselves with some sort of challenge because we can't function without. Guys i know whom don't care about school usually have some team sport they are great at and that's enough for me to respect them. With that being said too many guys just don't have a drive for something and want pussy on a platter.

[–]JayJayEcks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I too come from a different route. You PUA guys are awesome for dealing with women, directly and indirectly. MGTOW seems to be awesome for focusing on yourself (education, goals, etc) to become truly happy without the need or want of a woman. MRA/MRM just want equality from a legal perspective. We should be united, even if every man deep down wants something different. We should not be hive mind, that's what makes men different.

[–]1Su-Wu_Red 705 points706 points  (30 children)

There he finds a Black guy named Morpheus. As is customary among the Blacks, Morpheus offers Neo some drugs.

As a black man, I literally laughed out loud at this. Well played.

[–]Thatonefuckboi 75 points76 points  (1 child)

I didn't check the author when I clicked on the post and this comment alone gave it away as GLO.

[–]Lionlocker 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Giant tub of pink semen didn't ring any bells?

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 72 points73 points  (0 children)

It's okay for GLO to write this because he has a friend who is a racist.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 66 points67 points  (2 children)

I love a man who can laugh at the stereotypes painted on his people. It shows confidence.

[–]chedder 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Hey, I'm Hindu, am cheap as fuck, have Jew gold and a average sized penis but at least I'm not taking drugs offered to me by blacks as is customary for whites.

[–]Ugly-God 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, I'm white, live in the burbs, drive a Mercedes and take drugs given to me by blacks but at least im not black

[–]no_face 50 points51 points  (0 children)

In that case, all my black friends must think Im the police.

[–]kragshot 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I kind of had a "da-fuq-lol" moment when I read that!

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm honestly pretty disappointed that he didn't type that the robots were plundering Neo's booty.

[–]Str_ 6 points7 points  (9 children)

Sadly I didn't laugh out loud.

Got anything that'll make me appreciate it more? :)

[–]Lordoffunk 44 points45 points  (8 children)

One of the great tragedies of life is that one cannot provide another with a sense of humor. A contextual explanation of the humor would serve only to strip it of its essence and a deconstruction of its construction would only drain it further. Beyond the meaning of words, the listener is on their own to shape the subjective vision of the world we all share. The best anyone can offer you is a wish of luck in a journey of a well-filled life which will lead to both an expanded selection of source material and consciousness. Sarcasm simply cannot be taught, it must be felt, while we take our contexts as we find them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I laughed at the ass harvesting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 52 points53 points  (8 children)

This is a great post and you had me literally laughing out loud. I agree with the general thrust of your argument but there is something I disagree about.

Unfortunately there is another group of men claiming to be the Red Pill. Lets call them the Counterfeiters. The Counterfeiters are quick to point out whats wrong with society but at no point do they offer a solution. Being angry at society for valuing women above men as it has done since the beginning of time doesn't accomplish anything. Being angry at women for forsaking logic in favor of emotion doesn't change anything. Yelling at the ocean for being salty and undrinkable doesn't transform it into fresh mountain spring water. However, that is exactly what Paul Elam MGTOWs and MRAs are doing. The tragic irony of the Counterfeiters is that by pretending to offer a solution they prevent men from finding a real solution. Venting frustration at women is not self improvement. It's one thing to discuss flaws in female thinking with they aim of greater understanding and perhaps sexual exploitation. It's another thing complety to write off all women and live in a pleasure cave of alcohol, masturbation and self inflicted victimhood.

MRAs make up a social movement, a counter-attack against feminism. As a social movement they aspire to create broad changes to institutions such as the court system. They see injustice in the fact that men are easily stripped of custody of their children, men get divorced raped, men pay alimony, men are the vast majority of workplace deaths, suicides, combat deaths, and homeless--and all of this whilst we are brainwashed to believe that this is a man's world and that women are the oppressed.

Because MRAs are a social movement your individual MRA can be a fat piece of shit with body odor. He isn't campaigning for his personal success in the sexual market, he is campaigning for social change--for more equitable treatment for all men and boys. This makes your MRA type something of an altruist or idealist.

MGTOWs, as far as I can tell, are not a social movement but rather a loose collection of herbivore men that voluntarily opt out. The lines get blurred here, however, because some MGTOWs enthusiastically use prostitutes, or engage in short term flings with women but will never commit; going so far as to get a vasectomy to prevent ever being 'trapped'. What each man does to go his own way can look quite a bit like what a red pilled man does. Some MGTOW lift and crush pussy, others look like fat smelly MRAs and dedicate their lives to video games and online trolling. It's not as cut and dry as you present it.

There is no point in shaming or encouraging someone to the RP brigade. I endorse the doctrine of "No enemies to the right." I don't have to be an MRA to see the truth of their convictions and the value of their work. Nor do I have to be a MGTOW to see the logic of their choice even if it's not my personal choice. Each additional man who opens his eyes and acts upon his convictions changes the world--if only slightly. Every man who says "NO!" to the gynocentric agenda of society weakens the feminist Leviathan a little bit more, and that is a beautiful thing.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 35 points36 points  (4 children)

If you read MRA's criticaly you will understand that they are not on of the Right. The repeat the same equalist humanist egalitarian bullshit leftists do.

As far as I am concerned MRAs and MGTOWs actually help feminists achieve their goal of alienating men from society by normalizing male alienation.

Victory for us is not retreating to a basement it's ruling over women and weak men.

[–]Ass-a-holic 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I know you probably have some sort of financial investment in TrP, the more you push it, the more "followers" you get, the more exposure, the more money you make.

But your acting like a feminist/blue piller would towards TrP. They say all the members at TrP are mysogonist/rapists, which is stupid. While you say all MGTOWs are basement dwellers without lives, which is stupid.

I would argue that TrP is helping feminists achieve their goals more so than MGTOW. TrP is constantly empowering women by preaching to raise your value, to become what they want. They are like the puppetmasters while you all are the puppets.

While MGTOWs do what they like; some ignore women, some use escorts, the more attractive hookup through Tinder, and some are basement dwellers (probably the same number as here)

Are you actually a closet feminist going undercover?

[–]shit_with_holes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perhaps it's more of an issue of people not understanding the labels they give themselves. I suspect a lot of people would be in the MRA or MGTOW community simply because they are more or less unaware of TRP or something else, and identify as one of those because it is the closest-fit to their ideology, to their knowledge.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the well-balanced reply from an EC I was waiting for. Thank you.

[–]HighPiracy 51 points52 points  (7 children)

Lotta focus on robots drilling some dudes asshole

[–]BluestBlackBalls 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Take away: Don't be that dude

[–]Fanshelpmesleep 7 points8 points  (0 children)

His ass is like a tube of circus peanuts

[–]michael_wilkins 5 points6 points  (0 children)

where do you think the Gay Lube Oil comes from?

[–]1mojo_juju 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Allow me to be the first to ask:

Who gives a fuck? And why?

So what if there are other subs with similar and/or tangential concerns.

[–]PedroIsWatching 181 points182 points  (103 children)

I for one am glad the community at large recognized the massive concern trolling from MGTOWs this summer and told them all to fuck off.

There's nothing noble about giving up and checking out of the game. That's what losers do. You keep improving yourself, and you keep moving forward. That's what men do.

[–]bowie747 74 points75 points  (48 children)


When the game gets hard you don't quit, you get better at it and fucking win.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Nature has no patience for organisms that can't sustain themselves in their environment. They become food for stronger organisms, more often then not.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

MGTOW is just a fancy term for incel

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Celibate is just another word for incel

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (29 children)

What is the criteria for "winning"?

[–]Allegro6 38 points39 points  (2 children)

It's not about the end. It's about the journey.

At first, there is a chaos within you. You feel disquiet in your soul, YOU are your worst enemy.

You need to free your mind. Embrace the tranquility. Focus on yourself. Heal your wounds from past relationships. Find your innear peace. Workout, meditate, educate yourself. Learn to be the witty, charmful guy. Always strive for improvement. Always winning over your lazy self. There are no zero days anymore.

For me, the winning is enjoying the road. Feeling the flow. Seeing the results. I was never so calm in my life. I was never so in control. It feels so good man.

[–]1StoicCrane 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are no zero days anymore.

So true. Everyday is an opportunity for growth in some manner. In reality there are only two choices in life. Be lazy, stagnate in complacency, and play the role of self-perpetuated, disempowered victim or actively developing on a daily basis to extend beyond your greatest envisioned potential. There's no middle ground.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Well said. THAT is red pill. A life lived so that if it ended tomorrow, you would not have regrets. A life lived so that if everything were stripped from you, health, wealth, status, and so on, your inner strength would still prevail. I don't think anyone can get 100% there, but that's the real journey in life, in my book.

[–]bowie747 7 points8 points  (0 children)

When you honestly know what you want and start getting it.

[–]Thomaskingo 9 points9 points [recovered]

Some might say you've won when you have become the man women itch to fuck and other guys wanna be.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (17 children)

You're already that in the right company. Surround yourself with men who outperform you in every way, and you won't be that man. My point is, there's no winning. It's a treadmill to infinity ..

[–]RedPistola 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Winning is enjoying the run

[–]LordDongler 15 points16 points  (2 children)


Narcissistically fumbling towards fulfillment through sex with women and validation from mem won't get you anywhere. There is a reason that nihilism is a philosophy, and that reason is that life is subjective; there is no end game, there is no winning. When you drown yourself in those goals, you lose sight of what really matters in life. Happiness. Go be happy. If TRP makes you happy, make it yours. If it doesn't, don't waste your time on it, you'll just be unhappy.

[–]Turambar23 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Agreed. Don't all motivations turn to death as their origin? An impending doom is your destination, whether you like it or not. Beyond that is up for your own hypothesis. As a composition of molecules amid other molecules given some form of sentience, your only responsibility is to live. So live for yourself. You dont get to relive any day, each one is a test that you create and mark.

[–]LordDongler 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's my point. Accepting nihilism as a part of life and a simple fact that can be ignored once you realize that your happiness is what you should find.

[–]TheLionMAGA 7 points7 points [recovered]

On the way to infinity you can do some pretty cool shit with your life. Keep moving up. Stagnation is death.

[–]LordDongler 18 points19 points  (9 children)

So instead you work out at the same place every day, talk to the same friends, work the same job every day (if you're "lucky") hit on the same types of girls every week, and maybe have your moment of relief from your constant state of existential panic when you have meaningless sex with near strangers. Honestly, what this sub thinks is important in life puzzles me. Sure, sex is fun and it feels good, but don't make your life about it. Don't mutilate your personality so that it is always the end goal. That's the difference between us an animals.

[–]propesh 3 points3 points [recovered]

Level 3 is nihilism. But level 4 is still working, and accepting the contradictions in life.

[–]1StoicCrane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That which isn't growing is either non-sentient or dying. Complacency is the mind-killer and the body follows.

[–]NihilistMonkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When you wake up every morning, happy with your life and proud of your accomplishments.

[–]redpillavatar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of TRP makes TRP purely about pussy.

There is little difference between the pussy starved betas, and the pussy starved TRPers. That is basically more gynocentric than the MGTOWs.

[–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (8 children)

MGTOW exposed me to the manosphere and to the Red Pill. It is a great bait to get more people here. We should consider trolling them, so they attack us and we get more exposure.

[–]detachedbymarriage 19 points20 points  (4 children)

No, we should never troll to get our point across.

The exposure is enough for now but the minute we try to start pulling exposure to ourselves will be the minute this sub gets hit by the reddit police and its sjw following.

[–]lodro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Trolling is all well and good, but red pill already has way too much exposure (hence the need for the OP; the community is heavily diluted with faggotry).

[–]Utterberetacht 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.

We shouldn’t aim to get more exposure; it is up to the Neos to find us and unplug.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not dismissing MGTOW for leading you to TRP.

[–]ChadThundercockII 7 points8 points  (0 children)

MGTOW found me, I didn't go looking for answers. Reading their Facebook page's description was like a revelation. I knew those things were true since I was a child but I could never put them into words. Then came TRP and calibrated everything. Without MGTOW subs and pages going out of their way to advertise, I wouldn't have found the manosphere.

[–]1Ronin11A 26 points27 points  (8 children)

There's nothing noble about giving up and checking out of the game. That's what losers do.

This. It pisses me off to know end when I hear that shit. It's quitting, plain and simple. No one respects quitting, yet MRAs and MGTOWs try to wear that shit like a bizarre badge of honor.

[–]Marcus1138 41 points42 points  (3 children)

At the same time, if you value something else more than you value having sex, there's no shame in that. But it is a personal choice, and just because you made it doesn't mean others will have the same values.

[–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I value first knowledge, second money and then my body over sex. The thing is, when you live a life of a champion. Going through the hardships, getting better everyday, sex comes alone. This year alone 3 girls offered sex to me.

[–]kragshot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The thing is, when you live a life of a champion. Going through the hardships, getting better everyday, sex comes....

This right here is true shit. Having notable status in a given realm will almost guarantee that a number of women that exist within said realm will throw themselves at you because they want to fuck your status. It's literally the "fuck me, I'm famous" rule.

So, there's some RP truth right there. If you really want to be a baller, then just "git gud" at something, especially if that something has an audience. I'm a good enough DJ where I can hook up with at least a 6+ at any given gig where I'm spinning and if I open for a major headliner that goes up to a 7.5 minimum.

This is what can happen to an average-looking guy who excels in his own realm. I've talked about Kirill before in here. Literally, all he does is take (amazing) pictures of sluts and pours champagne on their tits at outrageous parties...and photographs everything that happens...and bitches eat that shit up like it was the cure for cancer.

You ain't gotta be rich to score with women. You just have to be good at something relatively popular (which could be almost anything) and be confident about how good you are. Once people in general see how good you are at it, then the propositions for sex will come.

[–]kragshot 14 points15 points  (0 children)

To clarify; it's the MGTOWs who don't want to play the game.

Most MRM guys are interested in the legal aspects of the gender wars.

But what is happening is that there is a lot of cross-pollination going on within the "manosphere." For every one of these so-called "false-flag red pillers," you have three guys who are just kind of sitting at the nexus between the three philosophies.

And before anyone else says anything, there is a rather broad common ground where MGTOW, MHRM, and RP all meet. While this is a valid concern, you need to be certain that you aren't mistakenly putting the hatchet on those people who dwell in that common ground.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Initially I bought in to the MGTOW mindset as I thought it was a mental change where you literally do not give a fuck about women and never change your behaviours or what you want to do when around them. I thought that meant that when a woman throws herself at you, you still fuck her though but neve get into a relationship. After reading the sub though I saw that exact situation with women throwing themselves at these men, but the men would reject them outright as they are 'going their own way', WTF is wrong with them.

[–]conradsymes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

they don't want to deal with drama

it's the old joke, you pay a prostitute to leave, not stay around.

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[–]shut_up_liar 33 points33 points [recovered]

What if I just genuinely have no interest in chasing tail?

You have multiple posts within the last month asking the internet advice on how to have a girlfriend.

I just don't have time for all these bitches

But you have plenty of time to get roasted by the internet? If I had your beard and body I would probably give up and blame women too.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 49 points50 points  (13 children)

And herein lies the fundamental issue with MGTOW thought. A fat non lifting chub is concurrently seeking game advice while simultaneously saying it's not worth it.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Telling that they are out of the game always seemed like a protection for your ego more than actually giving up on women. If you say you aren't participating to yourself, you won't be hard on yourself when you don't get women.

[–]aquaticbub 7 points7 points [recovered]

Yes but you exclude the very real possibility that they really dont care about women. What if you find it easy to get laid, but a waste of time and money? That you can be in amazing shape, love your life, have game, and yet not constantly be sleeping around?

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Just my experience with guys who follow the MGTOW route. I have yet to stumble upon a guy who doesn't either severly lack sexual experience or is a virgin. Often being frustrated and have a "nice guy" esque approach towards women or just generally lack social awareness and basic social skills.

There might be that one guy who doesn't think sex is worth the time, but he would be the exception rather than the rule.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

There might be that one guy who doesn't think sex is worth the time, but he would be the exception rather than the rule.

I think you'd be surprised. I've always had pretty easy access to women and eventually lost interest in the game. I realized that a great deal of my time and money was being spent worshiping lifeforms that aren't really worthy of worship. I pictured myself dying and looking back on a life of female conquests or intellectual conquests. From that perspective, chasing women, in my little world, makes little sense. I'm a corner case, though. I've got a high IQ and love pursing intellectual interests. You put me in an empty room with a pen and paper and I'll entertain myself for years. I now see women as more of a distraction from more important things.

That said, I can see how a lot of guys who aren't cerebral or perhaps crave social status above all else would detest a life without chasing skirts. In that case, chase dem titties. To each their own. But MGTOW are a diverse bunch, not just a legion of ugly incel neckbeards. Even if they were .. so what? A short, runty, ugly bastard with high intellect would be wasting his time getting swol at the gym and chasing after 3/10 women when he could be studying quantum mechanics.

[–]Collector797 5 points6 points  (0 children)

With due respect, I would say that even the ugly bastard with a brilliant mind should train. "No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." -Socrates

[–]CQC3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I agree. I think on paper MGTOW sounds great, hell if you decide not to get married and focus on your work I think that's sort of a MGTOW move. The issue is that the label becomes a honeypot for losers who want to preserve their ego and justify their failures.

Honestly most dudes don't need to be a millionaire pussy slaying machine. You just need to find what matters in your life, be game aware and fuck some girls every now and again. Accept your limitations, work to break them reasonably and feel content knowing you are doing everything you can. You don't get to decide your limitations or potential by thoughts, only through the cutting edge of your actual effort do you find that ceiling. You don't get to be standing on the ground floor looking up and estimating how high you can go:

shut the fuck up and climb.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He missed the sidebar material on the infamous 'hamster.'

[–]1Ronin11A 12 points13 points  (5 children)

What if I just genuinely have no interest in chasing tail?

Then why the fuck are you on Red Pill, a sub literally about the "discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men?"

[–]retrogrooving 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because this is literally the only place where a man can find that positive identity unless they come to some ground-breaking discovery on their own. Doing everything TRP subscribes is basically self-improvement. Whether I use it to focus on getting pussy, or increasing my capital.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Lifting is my recommendation to anyone of my male friends going through anything. I figured this out at 18, ten years ago, long before i discovered the community. It just made sense intuitively, and if you think about it, it's easily the most accessible form of self improvement to men. Once I realized gains and saw the attentions of women start to change towards me, I "got it." Even men who used to pick on me in high school respect the hell out of me now. Lift gentleman. Lift. Lift. Lift.

Have a problem with your girlfriend? Lift

Frustrated at work? Lift

Family issues? Lift

Legal trouble? Lift

It's cheap, healthy, and commands respect from society. Once you reach a certain level of physique, the universe will recognize your status. People will defer to you as the group alpha at work, with friends, etc.

[–]blighter711 8 points8 points [recovered]

I started lifting a year ago due to RP. It has completely changed my life. I went from 6'4 bean pole to a 6'4 healthy looking male. Still working my body weight up, but the attention from women, so far, has increased substantially.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (3 children)

I'll say one thing to r MGTOW: They Have solidarity. TRP in some ways brown noses these hoes, gives then what they want to get what you want. To me that's a bit of beta BS.

MGTOW doesn't play the game anymore. It's a movement to CHANGE the game. If you aren't playing that game, your opponent must play yours. You want a red pill woman? Well, some of TRPS game makes the crazy bitches we're trying to avoid; you're fucking yourself in the long run with dread game and such...why would I waste my time trying to scare a hoe??? If it's come to that let her go.


Women can't stand to be ignored and will change their ways en masse if men en masse don't put up with it. Have a fucking backbone before you tap that ass. Pussy is not the end all be all of life. Your grandpa knew it and checked the shit out out of women for nonsense; what do you think a spinster is? Be a team and watch your world change for the better.

[–]perplexedm 7 points8 points  (2 children)

TRP in some ways brown noses these hoes, gives then what they want to get what you want. To me that's a bit of beta BS.

Interesting view point.

MGTOW doesn't play the game anymore.

MGTOW don't want to play a game rigged to fail, no matter how efficient you are in the game.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Some of TRP is a circlejerking clusterfuck. Hypergamy, branch swinging, and amused mastery were the only things I found of use.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Continuing with the matrix analogy, Neo was the 'the one' because he himself was an anomaly. If we look at the humans ability to combat the AI (kung fu and all that shit), what makes one person better or worse, weaker or stronger? What makes one man's RP truth more 'right' or 'true' than the next man's? What gave Neo god status in the matrix? Prophecy and probability, was the answer in the matrix, but I don't think that's true in our reality. Those that rise to the top are those that can fundamentally shed their preconceived(taught) notions about reality. There is no prophecy here, only the understanding that the system is built on rules and because of that we can manipulate those rules to generate our desired outcome. Starve yourself of system input and you will become an independent variable capable to asserting your will on the system.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Nice self-promo, faggot.

Get fucking real and tell us something we don't know. Goddamn shit-posters and their megalomaniacal echo chamber.

FFS, this doesn't need as many posts as it gets. Lay down the fucking law and get on with it.

[–]BuffaloSoljah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you! This shit is getting retarded

[–]bowie747 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Rollo's book has a lot of typos

[–]1Entropy-7 63 points64 points  (8 children)

I was disappointed to not be listed among the knowledgeable few, but relieved to see I was not mentioned as a poser.

I FUCKING LOVE BEING ALIVE. Life is a whirl. I travel, I learn shit, I make love to beautiful women. I have this thing called a "job" that pays for these experiences.


Getting the "good job" and buying the house next to the Jones's with the white - fucking picket fences and shit. . . JUST SAY NO!

Being the "nice guy" and sitting on your hands or bringing her flowers or being polite orbiting her. Do you how long you can orbit Uranus? It takes 84 fucking years! That is a lifetime and you can't waste your life being in orbit.

I like my porn, I like my alcohol, and I like to fap. . .all within limits. I learn, I build skillz and I really should lift more, but I am happy with the way things are unfolding.

Whatever you do, don't be a whiney bitch.


If you are confused then go to ASKREDPILL

If you have insight then post it here.

However, I am getting tired of the fuckers who just want to bitch about bitches.

That has been so done you can stick a fork in it.

Fuck the negative: focus on the positive.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was depressed and exhibiting negative energy between jobs. I read How to win friends and influence people 3 times (well, mostly the first half). I always thought the book was too simple and I was too sophisticated for it having been red pillled already.

Basically, be positive and smile more. Talk less about yourself, no one cares. Somehow the book manages to hammer it home. I'd add in the positivity leads to banter and an aura of someone people want to have around.

All my job interviews flipped from failures to my pick of the litter in two weeks. No joke.

[–]psychyness 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I agree up until a certain point, but being someone who has only recently began coming out of the anger stage... sometimes it's easier said than done.

I've been off and on TRP for almost an entire year, and only this past month have I started to realize being angry was silly... it can be hard to accept reality at face value when you've been fed another story your entire life.

It's important to give people time to make this adjustment. If you start yelling at someone who's trying to get out of being depressed for not getting better soon enough, you're going to push them right back to where they started.

I say, let people get through the anger stage on their own terms. Don't encourage it, but some people need more time than others.

[–]PakiAlpaki 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I feel like the problem is those who literally don't crawl out the anger/depressed phase because it "makes [them] who they are". It's not a bad thing, but it can be irritating when they refuse to change and keep polluting posts with pointless comments (ignored by the smart on this subreddit).

[–]lqtys 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I could orbit Uranus, but I prefer to fuck Her anus.

[–]Askada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you are confused then go to ASKREDPILL

Well, to be quite honest that sub is, sadly, very low quality.

I would say If you are confused just keep reading more of the good shit we collected here.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is kinda funny that as knowledge of the manosphere seeps into the mainstream that people confuse TRP with MRA (obviously this is mainly due to the movie). It is hilarious, we actively hate on MRAs yet the mainstream will take years to make the distinction, assuming they ever figure it out. It is very 48 laws of power. We get to be shitlord, pussy slaying, misogynists while people actually think we are weepy bitches worrying about men getting beat up by their landwhale wives. It could not have worked out any better.

[–]PopeJamal 62 points63 points  (23 children)

"...but at no point do they offer a solution..." "...by pretending to offer a solution..."

So which one is it?

The red pill was an offer to show Neo the true nature of reality. At no point was Neo obligated to change it and there was no guarantee that he would even accept what he saw as the true reality.

The red pill is truth. Taking the red pill is being shown the truth. What men do with that truth is totally up to them and a completely different matter from taking action. Choosing to opt out of the game can be argued to be the more intelligent choice (similar to the movie "War Games": "The only way to win, is not to play."). Besides, I doubt very many MGTOWs would turn down a no-strings attached BJ, so what does MGTOW even mean?

You seem to be big on solutions, so here's my solutions:

1) Stop trying to arbitrarily exclude people. MGTOW and otherwise. I really enjoy listening to alot of the RP discussion that goes on here until some of you guys start with that "white boy" bullshit and things start to get a little to "aryan nation" and "save our beautiful blonde women" for my taste. This shit happens any time the subject of "foreigners" comes up. Stop it. We're all brothers in the struggle and stronger together. We shouldn't be using "divide and conquer" on ourselves.

2)Come up with a different name. There were other people in the Matrix that didn't choose to "fight the good fight". Some of them chose to participate by contributing somehow to the society in Zion, while others probably went their own way. Just because a man doesn't want to fucking "lift" doesn't mean that he isn't aware of red pill principles and it doesn't make him useless. This isn't a religion. Stop fucking bro shaming. If you're so gung-ho about change and you think lifting your way to an ideal society is the answer, then make your own offshoot of the RP community focused on your niche. Grow the family tree by expanding the community, stop trying to cut limbs off.

3) Deal with it. Seriously. Why do you care so much about what another man does with his life/time? Especially in the case of MGTOWs because those guys are literally over in the corner doing their own thing and not hurting anyone. Let these dudes live.

I don't understand why people are so quick to want to turn everything into a fucking religion. Can't we just sit around and talk about things without wanting to pass out membership cards and start excluding people to make ourselves feel special?

[–]1Ronin11A 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Stop fucking bro shaming.

Shame is useful. I wrote about it a while back.

If you're so gung-ho about change and you think lifting your way to an ideal society

You fuckers just don't get it: We don't care about society. We're not out on a crusade to change it. TRP exists to give men the tools to be successful in society as it is today.

We don't give a flying fuck about growing the community, enlightening men across the globe, or being inclusive towards other men. TRP is about creating change in yourself not the world.

We don't need to create an off-shoot of the RP community because we fucking are the RP community.

[–]zezozio 9 points10 points  (2 children)

TRP is about creating change in yourself not the world.

So it MGTOW... Time to reflect, to self-center, to find oneself in the midst of frenetic agitation.

We don't need to create an off-shoot of the RP community because we fucking are the RP community.

Hey, get a hold of yourself there. NO, you're not the whole RP community. TRP has truth. What you do with that truth is up to you.

St-Augustine said "one becomes what one fights". Choose your fights carefully. There is no fight to have with MGTOW. We're on the same boat: freedom from the bluepill world.

[–]1Ronin11A 4 points5 points  (1 child)

No, no, and no.

NO, you're not the whole RP community. TRP has truth. What you do with that truth is up to you.

The fact that it's even referred to as the "RP community" indicates that, yup, TRP came first. Everything else has been a divergent off-shoot of the original RP principles, like bastard children trying to reinterpret the material. This sub, the RP terminology, all of it was created and refined here within TRP. TRP is what we say it is.

There is no fight to have with MGTOW. We're on the same boat: freedom from the bluepill world.

We don't want freedom from the Blue Pill world; we want to fucking dominate it. You fuckers keep goddamn thinking our goals are aligned when they've never been.

TRP is about creating a powerful sexual identity for men that allows them to dominate the game at a higher level of play.

MGTOW just stops playing the game, and then hamsters away excuses about it being more enlightened when deep down they know if they could actually achieve rock or movie star levels of SMV and have everything (the power, fame, women, money), they'd take it in a heartbeat.

[–]zezozio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

if they could actually achieve rock or movie star levels of SMV and have everything (the power, fame, women, money), they'd take it in a heartbeat.

That is where you're mistaken. Power and fame? I'll leave you to it. I don't give a flying fuck anymore. This is no freedom, this is ego-slavery.

Well, women? I love women. I only see girls these days. I leave you the college girls any day of the week. I've had my share, they bore me to death.

Money? At some point, when you're intelligent and you work enough, you have enough to do whatever it is you want, and you live the life you want, not this parody of life "society" wants you to live.

Anyhow, this is useless. Same as trying to teach TRP to bluepills... Have fun and enjoy whatever it is your enjoying.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Especially in the case of MGTOWs

Fucking triggered!

The problem is that what you are calling "MGTOW" is just a faded carbon copy of what it used to mean.

Being a man going his own way meant having experienced everything that the red pill preaches first hand, having acted accordingly and having found that your conclusion is to stop investing time, money, ressources and efforts into women. Before you went your own way, you had fucked armies of pussy and knew that most if not all of them where useless and not worth the struggle. You already went through all the struggle to actively improve yourself and yes, you lifted fucking tons of weights.

What it didn't mean is having read about the red pill and decided that it is a formidable excuse to not even go out and try, but to stay the disgusting, lazy and pathetic bag of fat meat that you are, playing vidya 18/7, sipping on your mountain dew and munching bags of doritos, just interrupted by posting childish rants on the internet, where you blame women and society for your failure, in the same way that the landwhales on tumblr complain about that evil white patriarchy, while you should only blame your absolutely despicable self for not getting up and taking control over yourself and your life.

Fuck all of you. Seriously. You draw so many guys away from leading a happy life and then have the balls to come here and whine that people do not appreciate you for doing so. Fucking fuck you assholes.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Holy shit, un-trigger thyself. It's like going on a 4 wheeling forum and arguing that these guys are wasting their lives because dirtbiking is much more fun. Some MGTOWs are neckbeards. Others are goal-oriented guys with their shit together. Hoes may or may not be on their radar. Some people don't want to play the game you play. To each their own.

[–]zezozio 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I do agree. Heartily.

You draw so many guys away from leading a happy life

Unfortunately true. But you have to agree that TRP ALSO had plenty of guys living their happy life (even if it feels vapid to some of us).

Chasing pussy might be a worthy goal for a lot of people. Only when you've had your share can you move on, if it ever happens or if you ever feel so inclined. And it's the same with cars, money, travel and glory (ego stroke).

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Stop trying to fucking reframe things. I never anywhere said that slaying pussy is the necessary endgoal of TRP and neither does any endorsed material on TRP, since it leaves your end goal up to yourself.

[–]zezozio 1 point2 points  (1 child)


The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy

The same way, some MGTOW are checked-out neckbeards virgins losers, the same way some TRP are in for wetting their dick with random hoes.

Don't tell me I misread, just say it's also diverse and people are here for different reasons.

it leaves your end goal up to yourself

EXACTLY. And that is why I'm saying there is common ground between TRP and MGTOW.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Self-improvement and physical exercise i. e. Lifting are core tenets of TRP and are actively shamed on r.mgtow as being useless hedonistic tasks with the sole purpose of getting in shape to attract more pussy and men are discouraged to even start.

As I said, they might be using the word MGTOW, but they do not know shit about it. They have given up on their lives and they are cherry-picking from TRP in order to justify it.

Also if you actually have no choice , you can't make a choice. It's like dying from hunger and proclaiming that you just became vegan.

[–]shut_up_liar 3 points3 points [recovered]

those guys are literally over in the corner doing their own thing and not hurting anyone. Let these dudes live.

Except they come here, to a sub DEDICATED TO SEXUAL STRATEGY FOR MEN, and preach their bullshit.

Stuff like "hey come check out MGTOW" is the exact fucking opposite of sexual strategy. Unless you view a forfeit as valid strategy (it's not) MGTOW have no place here.

[–]kragshot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And there's nothing wrong calling those particular jackholes out over that shit. But don't put that brand on the whole MGTOW or MRM community.

[–]mutageno 13 points14 points  (15 children)

Hey, random MGTOW guy here. WTF happened? Why you assume the concern trolls are MGTOW?

I don't understand why our differences have to make us hate each other. Do your thing, we do our thing. Constructive criticism is welcome. I think we have a lot more in common than differences.

Also, why assume all MGTOWs are fat gamers. And for the ones who are, why does it bother you? I personally don't give a fuck, pick your own poison and all that.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 5 points6 points  (14 children)

Because the MGTOW-sphere (primarily on YouTube) has created a virtual reality for losers to hide in and escape the Real. This by definition incompatible with The Red Pill an ideology based on embracing the Real.

Fat Gamers are the definition of people emersed in the virtual. I want the 16 year olds of Red Pill to grow up to become Dan Blazerians not Paul Elam.

That's why it bothers me so much

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (10 children)

Well GLO I make a ton of money, lift regularly and look good. I also don't give two shits about chasing women anymore. I bathe myself in reality every day. TRP vs MGTOW isn't real vs unreal. It is external vs internal validation.

[–]bookofcookies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is about have girl vs have no girl. This sub is for sexual strategy. Mgtow is not

[–]redpillavatar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dan Bilzerian inherited all his money, failed at doing SEAL shit, and his claim to fame is wasting his parent's money. He is the very definition of vapid.

It is not surprise that you look up to him.

[–]mutageno 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because the MGTOW-sphere (primarily on YouTube)

Ah! Those... We downvote those guys in our sub all the time. They always try to creep in. But they rarely go above 10 points (I guess from newbs or them gaming the votes). My personal take is I despise the bullshit monetization. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are actually escapist cucks hiding this stuff from their wives.

If they were more up-front with their $$ angle I wouldn't be as bothered. Like you do with your coaching/shirts. These guys just rip off content and make shitty videos to make money out of the community.

I don't watch any of those videos. What kind of concern trolling are they doing?

PS: have an upvote

[–]asymptotic_salvation 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In the movie The Matrix, a man named Neo is floating around in a giant tub of pink semen...

This post sounds a lot like GayLu... Yep.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I've always been worried about being considered "gmow" but I think I just am too focused...maybe even like physcopathically so. I have almost zero intrest in women, even sexually its like a back burner thought. I spend all of my time in the gym, kitchen, studio or at my job. I put a 150% effort into all of this, where do I fit women into that? Why would I? Every chick my age (early 20's) sucks so bad, they are just annoying and boring. The only thing that keeps me motivated is the fact I know my "manhood" really blooms is in my 30's. Is anyone else in the same boat? Can I get a little guiding wisdom or reassurance im not fucking up?

[–]zezozio 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not fucking up. Well, except when you're asking if you're fucking up.

Internal validation is at the crux of MGTOW.

Keep on doing what you feel like doing. Bang a hoe now and then and, mostly, have fun and be happy doing what makes YOU happy. And don't give a fuck about anything anyone might think of you or what you're doing. Learn, have fun, be well.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 48 points49 points  (16 children)

What's more is there are multiple solutions to these problems... which makes the MGTOWs and angry, whiny, bitchy little boys even more laughable. However I, nor anyone else, can prevent the stupid being stupid. (As I recall there's a genetic factor involved so they were genuinely born that way and no amount of explanation or encouragement is going to change the fact they weren't born with enough of the basics required to make the journey.) So ultimately the only reason we talk about this and tell people that we don't hold responsibility for their success or failure... is because they need to learn that they too hold no responsibility for this. Beyond that, the topic is moot.

[–]analyticaltoafault 13 points14 points  (11 children)

Good shit. Dunno if I believe some of that though.

Sure, heredity effects one's gift of understanding, but I believe that outside clear bio/chem influences, our environments shape that more, and many studies point to the same answer. Not absolute fact due to that, but with the inability to know all, I choose to believe that.

Also, I believe that in some form may just be exactly what women often do. Shift blame/causes because of, (perceived to be) "innate," traits about someone. Now I'm not sayingb you're shifting blame, as it's not your responsibility to teach these ignorant people, I just think you're at worst allowing some lazy thinking (I sure fucking do) and coming to some incorrect conclusions by misattributing the source of their incompetence to an inherent ability.

I really don't believe most people are innately retards, (which is not to say I don't believe plenty of people don't act like complete idiots that are willfully ignorant) just that most people are given shit suboptimal environments to thrive in as a burgeoning conscious being. I think a lot of the willful ignorance is just a manifestation of fears, insecurities, and immature coping mechanisms learned from growing in a shit environment so they did not learn how to take responsibility and to consciously control their lives.

[–]theONE843663 19 points20 points  (10 children)

It's called Epigenetics. Your gene expression can change a lot without your genetic sequence changing and it is affected by environmental factors. Lifting, learning game, and being alpha will literally make you a different person. Literally bruh.

[–]analyticaltoafault 3 points4 points  (9 children)

So you're saying it's not innate from birth.

From the above original comment:

..."(As I recall there's a genetic factor involved so they were genuinely born that way and no amount of explanation or encouragement is going to change the fact they weren't born with enough of the basics required to make the journey.) ..."

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Yes, genetic factor involved. i.e. the complete outcome will be determined by a mixture of environment and genetics. Your conflation is similar to the arguments leveled at evo psych by calling it genetic determinism. By the very nature of the topic it is not that.

As a general rule, genetics tend to provide your limits. Mix it with your life, how well you eat, how much you study, what level of help you get etc and you'll find out how tall you are, how strong you are and how educated you are. Even in primary school, you'll see some kids get something instantly, while others struggle to comprehend that which seems simple to the rest of us. This is just the beginning of the genetic expressions.

There are people out there who are simply not bright enough to comprehend TRP in the first place. This could be down to their education and chances for intellectual growth. Within that group there will be a small number who fell at the bottom end of the intelligence distribution and it didn't really matter if they had a better education... they'd still be unable to comprehend TRP.

This is all just pedantry though since I just identify from their attitude and use of/response to argumentation, if a person is too dumb to comprehend the pill fully. As it's not my responsibility to deal with their life, I care little whether I make a mistake on this. After all... it's your responsibility to present yourself properly to others and your behaviour is on you. Not me. Anybody who shows a good attitude will get my help.

[–]analyticaltoafault 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Good convo man thanks for going back and forth with me :) I think we largely agree on much of this topic. I only saw a slight connection to an often criticized mode of thought we see in submissive types/women and wanted to share, where shortcomings are excused because they're, "innate," and thus the individual defeats themselves/believes they've won before ever beginning to take initiative.

I agree we are not all equal yet special snowflakes. I do believe many individuals have more potential than they believe but had a confidence destroying environment and such atrribute their perception of things making it harder for them to break those chains and decide to excel.

There are certainly strong points of evidence for both aspects playing heavily into a person's life. It is not a zero sum in the nature/nurture dichotomy, and there's certainly some overlap of how one's nurturing is actually affected by their nature.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's essential to maintain perspective and not get too caught up in the "you're excusing failure" thing. The reality is that no extreme view is psychologically healthy and it's also counter-productive to blame yourself for everything. That attitude leads to depression.

As an example, consider the contradictory attitude we will simultaneously hold when we're running game and get shot down by a woman. On the night, we hold the view it's her fault. She's a dumb bitch. She wasn't in the mood, whatever. It's not our fault. This is important for maintaining confidence and ego in the field. When you get back home and think things over, you take the view that it is your fault so you can consider what to do better to self-improve. The reason for holding this duality of thought is that it provides you with the most practical approach to improving your game. You win both in and out of the field.

As a shorthand guide for good psychological health, if you can't improve via blaming yourself for something... don't. Place the blame elsewhere. Typically this attitude is reality anyway because whatever it is that you can't alter is that way because the blame lies elsewhere.

[–]analyticaltoafault 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh agreed so damn hard.

I've always been a logic driven individual but quickly understood the value of irrationality in my life toolkit as a human. I always have held the statement, "there's a time and place for everything," close to me and what you've said about knowing when to use the right tools strongly resonates with lifelong held views on my philosophy of a good life.

Balance is a key concept in my life and it appears as though it's one of yours as well. I want the best of everything when it comes to the metaphysical.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Nature vs Nurture

Men are forged by iron, conflict, perseverance. Mental frame and physique are the tells a man has overcome. A boy is born unto the world. Weak at its very nature. While some are genetically gifted, men are born through their own nurturing. No one can lift or learn for you.

[–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's certainly a genetic factor but it can be changed a bit. Possibly quite a bit as we don't even know much about the brain and the human body. We could possibly become super human as we have a lot of DNA codes we don't really use.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree. I have felt for a while that TRP should be split into phases as subs, leave this one for the new people still angry and finding this info mind changing. Make a new one like TRP2 for advanced theory and life stories and such for those who dont need to read beginner stuff anymore.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Funny, 99% of the time, I do a quick submission check, and the guy 'giving up' on TRP never posts anything, and is just a value leech.

Congratulations, you're the first exception

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I've made my attempts but I've got no interest on posting about women anymore. If I post, I want it to be more existential and discussion raising.

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Oh I agree, my posts are male-focused as well. CAD/Aderall put it best, the greatest thing he's recieved from this place is the understanding that women are the bottom of the priority list

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[–]zezozio 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, have a blast!

Find a girl that suits you and bread 10 kids out of her, society will thank you for your service.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 17 points18 points  (17 children)

In the movie The Matrix, a man named Neo is floating around in a giant tub of pink semen while robots harvest his asshole for energy. ... There he finds a Black guy named Morpheus. As is customary among the Blacks, Morpheus offers Neo some drugs...

Well, that's quite the summary of The Matrix.

But I got my hopes up, thought you were going to call out the trolls on this sub. But I guess MRAs are the next best target (although I don't blame them for their anger at the injustice). I guess what pisses you off is their helplessness.

However, most of my comments are political in nature as just being sexually successful does jack shit to change the world. It is my belief that we must spread red pill ideas to counter the extreme brainwashing that has been bestowed upon us by global powers. My point is lifting, being angry, living large does little to affect change. I think we should aspire to forge the world into something better rather than let it burn. But not gonna lie I do enjoy watching it burn.

[–]Vietnom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I've always gotten laid plenty. What interests me about TRP are the political ideas. I'm not sure why those of us that are here for that are being shitted on.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Seriously this.

The incel attitude of the people here is scary. This isn't about gender roles or getting sex. This is about globalization and people, both male and female, wanting to control your thoughts and consumption.

Using sex as power is literally blue pill shit to me because it fits in line with globalists wanting us to fight with each other.

Have you guys noticed how LUCRATIVE it has become to push a blog about being manly or persuading women? Or about not being a nice guy? Cliche incoming: people here need to open their eyes and THINK.

[–]1Ronin11A 9 points10 points  (12 children)

It is my belief that we must spread red pill ideas to counter the extreme brainwashing that has been bestowed upon us by global powers.

What's the first rule of Fight Club?

[–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually think that slowly this is what redpill will evolve into; something like an MRA that actually gets shit done. When you really step back and look at things we're all in this together; but I'm on-board with improve yourself first. You really can't move onto anything else like helping others and changing society until you own your own shit. GLO won't admit it but he's done more to help men through his writing then all the MGTOWs, MRA's, and 'on the fence concern posters' put together.

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[–]AsianZ1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

An excellent analysis GLO. Anger is good so long as it is useful (i.e. motivating you to lift harder and get better). Anger for anger's sake is harmful.

[–]AlphaGalaxy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Red pill in matrix is trace program.

[–]MacNulty 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The real Red Pill is that all our problems are in the psyche of the collective mind and that the rabbit hole grows with time as the inner worlds of men and women are being manifested out into the outside world so it becomes clearer and clearer how corrupted we are as a species, until it becomes impossible to ignore for everyone.

[–]redpillren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Modern humanity has fallen asleep to the primary importance of our own psyche in creating our experience, our world and ourselves.

Interesting article, liked the above quote

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here's a little secret, any guy who emancipates himself from his Blue Pill conditioning and becomes Red Pill aware is, in a sense, a MGTOW.

You cannot become Red Pill aware and not be changed to some degree. That change means to some extent you will be 'going your own way' apart from the men who remain trapped in their Blue Pill conditioned existences. You will 'go your own way' and make a conscious effort to engage (or not) with women from a Red Pill perspective that aligns with that new awareness.

I know that's not what you're spelling out in this post, but it needs to be said that once you go down the rabbit hole there's no coming back. It's how guys choose to deal with this new awareness that's at issue with "counterfeit red pills".

[–]RPFlame 3 points4 points  (0 children)

William Golding, in one of my favorite essays called "thinking as a hobby" categorizes thinking in 3 stages:

  • Grade-three thinking is the lowest form and is really hardly thinking at all. Grade-three thinking is reliance on emotion and prejudice.

  • Grade-two thinking, Golding says, is the detection of contradictions. One step up from grade-three thinking, it allows the wielder to find logical inconsistencies in political systems and religions. Grade-two thinking allows for the detection of hypocrisy. However, grade-two thinking is destructive by nature. People who apply grade-two thinking enjoy dissolving arguments, calling others wrong, complaining about a movie being bad or how the food sucks. But they are unable to make a better argument, movie or food. This is the grade the average redditor lies.

  • And that brings us to grade-one thinking, which takes the burned-out remains of a landscape ravaged by grade-two thought and begins to try to erect a new edifice. This is hard work. Creation and construction always require more effort and energy than destruction.

You can guess on which grade a redpiller ought to be. The solution stage. Every fucking idiot can yell "but that's wrong!", "but that's bad", "ha ha this book sucks". Fewer fucking idiots, by merit of having balls, end up writing books, cook, compose or solve problems.

True red pill is at grade one. Turning your head away pretending that the rest of the world doesn't exist or expecting things to resolve on their own is grade three or maybe two. They're not solutions to the problem.

[–]retrogrooving 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Accepting defeat is pitiful period. MGTOW should never have been an enabler for lazy and defeatist mentalities. There are voices there that are only about self-actualization. Crushing pussy, the social status ladder, all of that is ultimately meaningless if it isn't something you personally value. MGTOW can be a guy who wants to play video games for the rest of his life or a guy who sacrifices everything to build a fortune 500 company. It only depends on whether you own that choice you've made and are prepared to live with the circumstances that are result of that. Unfortunately too many champion the phrase without really living with what they are nor are they prepared to improve to change those circumstances.

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It's ok not to date, It's not ok not to live.

[–]clavabot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"buy Rollo's book and lift" I just finished the rational male, and I have been lifting consistently for a month now, so I'm on track, but how to get the sex that I been starved of for 18 years?

[–]Aaronindhouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As someone who has played lots of video games in his life and who has recently begun to phase them out, ill say this:

Video games fulfilled my competitive drives. With these fulfilled i had no reason to be competitive in reality. I think the same holds true to some extent for porn too. As men, one of our most potent tools we have is our competitive nature. We need to embrace it and nurture it to be our best selves. Getting stronger, more fit, or any physical activity is good for improvement sure, but it is also fuel. Fuel that feeds our innate drive to compete, whether it's with ourselves, our friends, or others. We shouldn't be improving our lifts, looks, or wealth to get more women, we should be doing them because they are good for us. They fulfill the primal drive to compete. I think one of the best parts of TRP is that it opens us up to these ideas. The modern media promotes a negative image of men. A negative outlook on being hyper competitive. A negative image of winning.

If a man approaches a woman he's creepy. If he wins a competitive match in a sport he needs to share the win with everyone because it's not nice to leave out the losers. If a man doesn't keep distance from his job to spend more time with his kids, he's a bad father. If he doesn't spend enough time working harder to get a promotion and earn more, he's a bad father and husband. If he is looking for sex more than twice a week while married and kids, he's being too pushy. The list goes on etc. TRP is a place for men to first, recognize they are valuable, and second, see past all the bs telling us how wrong all our instincts are.

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[–]Thizzlebot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This provided no useful information and was a self promotion as always (forgot to mention you sell shirts faggot) but an entertaining read.

[–]DupreeMcJones 3 points3 points [recovered]

Your argument is predicated on an assumption that this 'whining' is futile.

It is not, or at least it is not necessarily. Your own post extols how you unplug people with information and thereby change their behaviour, the same can happen for wider society.

Our actions (men AND women) are an interplay of culture and psychology. Men's behaviour has been heavily moderated by culture (and often for the good, the near abolition of rape in modern societies has been very good for progress) whereas women's in the current climate is mostly unliberated by culture and a more primitive psychological behaviour is expressed.

MRA/MGTOW is an attempt (albeit often probably doing more damage than good) to use information to unplug society, i.e. reprogramming our culture for women. The concept is sound, the application could use some work.

At the end of the day these parts of the manosphere must be vital, as the red pill cannot work for everyone - every man unplugs?Well we can't all be top 20% can we, the system will not work! Taken to the limit we need a new system. Absolute focus on self-improvement will not achieve this.

[–]noaydi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Liked the wording of the post :) funny.

MGTOW is mainly coward. It's a form of blue pill less evolved than blue pill itself. It's scratching the blue pill, understanding it's core is bs and staying in nothing rather than trying to at least make a new blue pill for dealing with reality their way. Don't want to take reality at all. No news.

[–]GodLuminous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That shit about Morpheus had me rolling.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (26 children)

MGTOW doesn't offer a solution for society, but it does offer a solution for men themselves - to go their own way. Many of the pursuits of TRP and MGTOW overlap - exercise, work, wellbeing.

However the "solution" that TRP claims to offer is anything but. Your claim to helping men is devoting their lives to satisfying women's sexual needs. Your claim to helping society is nihilistic pumping and dumping. You've simply replaced a box of chocolates with a box of condoms.

You are not "alpha". I'm willing to bet 99% of this sub isn't "alpha". Alpha is doing things your own way, how you want it, when you want it. Not simply submitting in another manner.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Many of the sources, such as MRAs and MGTOW are offering red pill solutions that by definition are not solutions or red pill.

For it to be a solution, it would require that it resolved some of the issues these men are facing.

Avoidance is not a solution, and engaging in Nirvana fallacies is not a solution. Avoiding women/relationships with women as per MGTOW, is simply avoiding the problem, never leaving your own comfort zone. Engaging in slacktivism to to attempt to change what stems from an underlying biological reality is the same approach feminism has been using for 30 or more years. In addition to pining to resolve an issue through Solomon's ruling, regardless of consequences.

For it to be red pill, it would require that one accepts the underlying reality.

In the case of a MGTOW, one may or may not accept the full range of red pill theory, one lives in a state of either denial, or repression. In the case of an MRA, one lives in a state of sublimation where one hopes that by working hard one can change reality.

[–]BluestBlackBalls 28 points29 points  (2 children)

MGTOW is a simple decision to not partake in the LTR / Marriage Game.

The sub, under same name, is a combo of newly aware males and endless ranters. Equating a disinterest in Long Term Mating Games with that sub is akin to selecting rant/venting posts and claiming that this entire Sub 'hates women'.

I game purely for sexual release. I apply this shit to ease relations with female family members and when working with women.

However, I do not plate, nor LTR, simply because I have opted out of that.

Similar would be being able to shit around with kids, laugh and play and all that, yet harbour no desire for a kid of my own.

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TRP solves the problem of wanting to 1) increase SMV and 2) increase social standing. For some people, those aren't problems to begin with. They focus on other things, whatever they may be.

[–]kragshot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The MRM has never offered anything that would be considered a "red pill solution" to the issues that they deal with. In fact, a lot of the social advocacy that the MRM lobbies for actually supports men's right to be as "red pill" as they want to be without social persecution because society already supports women's right to manipulate men as much as they want for their resource and sexual strategy.

What I see here is a lot of getting caught up in the semantics of labels. First off, the "Red Pill tm" is a tool or rather a tool box. You have been granted a look at what's running the machinery behind the curtain...never mind "The Great and Powerful Oz" who is standing out front with the flames and booming voice.

Going back to the whole "Matrix" reference; I totally get that some people would want to go back to the ignorance of life inside of the matrix. You have been given a glimpse of the truth...what you do with it is up to you, but don't be a skank-hater-ass bitch like Cypher. He let pussy skew his viewpoint of the real world and it caused him to betray the people who respected him. And again, he betrayed them over a woman who didn't even fuck him over...she didn't care about him either way because he wasn't The One Thundercock that The Oracle told her would give her the magical gina tingles. Again...fuck a punk ass who indulges in treacherous ass shit just because of some possible pussy...not pussy that he has actually gotten, but pussy that he has just imagined that he might or might not get if he does that heinous-ass thing.

But I digress....

The Red Pill is a toolbox that you can use or not use as you see fit. But the point is that you know. And sometimes, knowing is just enough in of itself.

If this continues at this rate, then all that is going on is mental masturbation that ends up fucking the community over in the long run.

Okay, I'm done preaching...now I'm gonna go eat some Girl Scout cookies because today is my cheat day. I might even go eat a Girl Scout Den Mother too, if she's off the rag....

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End of the day, if youre not doing anything different, youre simply coping...

RP is not a coping strategy. What you do matters, action guides thought.

[–]cappingPeople 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What I gather from this post is that the Mods are Black and selling drugs to rape victims.

[–]1ShallITinder 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I can't believe it, I 100% agree with GLO here.

I think that the best way to go about life as a man is to accept the harsh truths it has to offer and move forward from it. We've had neckbeards come in and say how status doesn't matter, how you're perceived doesn't matter, give the whole "be yourself and stop caring about what others think", and "Chad is going nowhere in life because he doesn't read books on a Friday night" garbage. A lot of these guy have cucked this sub and turned it from a place of self-improvement to a crying echo chamber.

We need more guys to call this stuff out so this place can be that innovative area of the web where men can get harsh truths as well as how to go about life regardless of the harsh truths being there.

I've wanted to get more talk going on social circles and meeting people but can't because the MGTOWs keep pushing the whole "oh but the lone wolf is cool you don't need people!" type of garbage.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why are there so many faggots everywhere looking for handouts to be "a part" of the community?

[–]dodo91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally something well written on the annoying political motivation here. Hatred of women wont fix your problems people...so will blaming your political opponents.

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The easiest way to destroy an enemy organization is to infiltrate and sabotage it from within.

As with Cipher infected by Agent influence "Red Pillers" corrupted by Blue Pill influence are rampant among us. Our Red Pill Zion has been infiltrated.

However, archived posts and the Side Bar are our armoury to combat the threat. By mean of them we can restore TRP to the height of it's glory and exile the intruders. Use them wisely, brethren.

[–]Windryder 1 point2 points  (2 children)

When I first clicked on this, I thought it was going to be about people who were masquerading as red pill coming in here to sew misinformation. Instead, I see a post about people that have branded themselves as MGTOW or MRA. That's not the same thing as being a fake-TRP. They are competing philosophies [improve yourself (TRP) vs social engineering (MRA) vs be content being alone (MGTOW)] trying to accomplish the same kind of overall purpose; make men's lives better. They all have their uses. If someone's ugly in a way that can't be changed, maybe MGTOW helps them lead a productive life. If they're being divorce-raped, maybe MRA will do them the most good. For everything else there's TRP.

The only point of a thread like this is trying to drive a wedge and stir up shit between men. You shouldn't need to actively attack the fat neckbeards to prove you're better than them. People should know that just by looking at you. You don't need to do it to prove you think differently than they do either. People should know that just by listening to you. You shouldn't need to draw up borders and actively try to separate yourself for people to know you're different. The rest is just posturing and it looks like insecurity.

[–]PorkNails 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the best posts I have read in a while. Please, keep it up.

[–]whisky1111 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To be totally honest, I think that the "sweet spot" is somewhere between MGTOW and TRP(as described in this sub). Both are extreme. I have no desire to be a SMV obsessed lifter but I also have no desire to never touch or talk to a woman again. Why does everything have to be an extreme, either/or, thing?

[–]LOST_TALE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Denigrating a gorup of men with sophistry into wanting women puts you, by behavior, right down with the feminists.

Women do not compete equally high from one men to another hierarchy of values. I'd tell you a lot of RP men are vagina chasing animals with no higher purpose and maybe that's your standard.

I do not welcome your one-upman ship, aren't you already content with what you have. Where does this desire to post this critic of others stem from? an ideal? or a personal problem? Certainly not an ideal.

[–]BlueFreedom420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So Red Pill has finally said "fuck you" to MGTOWs. I thought MGTOWs were welcome aslong as they don't whine.

[–]AnonymousAndLovinIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My semen is pink and I am offended.

[–]Level_Dreaded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So Paul Elam is basically the traitor in the matrix feasting on steak and pulling spinal taps for the right to bang Olivia Munn in his corner office. Great post GLO, I laughed way too loud at that black man line, top notch.

[–]1Soarinc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So for example if a Red Piller's girlfriend accidently on purpose sits on a strange dick

I didn't know that was really a thing.

[–]Benny757 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Hey, just my opinion, but I don't really think the serious guys over at MGTOW ever advise boys or very young men to take up a MGTOW lifestyle. To the contrary, they are advised to visit here, and learn from the Red Pill sub. As an alternative, a short period of Monk Mode time might be recommended.

In defense of some of the main points of MGTOW, however, many men there have the opinion that you do not need a woman to be happy. You need to be happy in and of your own self first and foremost.

When discussing sexual strategy, many, if not most of the philosophy from TRP's sidebar and some of the endorsed contributors is shared by MGTOW veterans. As well, in MGTOW's defense, many of the more serious members have decades more experience and perspective on sex, women and relationships, and life in general than many of TRP's endorsed members. No all, of course, but many.

So, all I'd say is that when casting your net, or pointing your argumentative finger, try not focusing on just the tree when you are in the middle of a forest. Men are far more sophisticated than being singled out as "Counterfeiters." That's simply an argument from the point of shallowness or weakness. It sounds good maybe. But not really accurate at all. It's more conclusory than anything. You missed the forest.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

From a purely philosophical standpoint the two are completely incompatible. It doesn't matter if MGTOWs are nice guys or have more experience or whatever. People who hide from experience are incompatible with those that seek the Real.

Furthermore I don't belive in inclusivity. Bringing in a bunch of losers into your community doesn't benefit you. I don't give a fuck how it makes them feel. MGTOWs are value leachers most embody toxic negatively and they are bringing down my flock of baby Alphas.

Furthermore man needs to be unhappy there is nothing worse for a man than a state of happiness and content. Women make men unhappy which is why men need women.

In conclusion I'm going to go fuck my shit up with some heavy deadlifts now. My shits gunna be sore for days. Meanwhile MGTOWs are going to happily sprinkle semen all over their mantits and top it all off with cheasy puff crumbles.

I choose unhappiness and suffering and I hope everyone here does the same.

[–]redpillavatar 1 point2 points  (1 child)


You don't have a flock of baby alphas, and the folks reading Reddit in general, are not alphas. You have a bunch of pussy starved betas that you call alphas like a suck up.

In fact, if you were a real alpha you would actually be doing something with your life, not hawking your overpriced crappy t-shirts.

Nor would you be pushing roids because you are unwilling to put in the true lifting without juice. You're just a piece of shit heading towards palumboism.

[–]chedder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aye, this... One thing MGTOWs get that a lot of others don't understand is that we don't need women to define us and the second we even start thinking like they do they vacate our lives, lose all respect for us because we have none for ourselves. People take these things way too far and the more extreme borderline outliers of the people who think we don't need women at all and the people who make it there very purpose to get lots of women/the perfect woman suffer from the same problem.


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I knew it was you from the first sentence, GLO.

It's important for everyone to remember that counterfeits only exist in the context of real currency. No one counterfeits Venezuelan money because it's essentially worthless. No one would ever counterfeit a $5 bill, because it's of way less value than a $20, $50, or $100, and takes just as much work. Conversely, the MOST counterfeited currencies are the ones that are the most valuable.

Just like no one counterfeits the Venezuelan currency, there are no "counterfeit betas". Beta strategy is comprised of ineffective bullshit, and who would imitate something that didn't work in the first place? They'd rather pretend to implement the strategy that works, even if they're just faking. The very existence of these dipshits imagining that they've swallowed the fake red pill only proves the power of the legit red pill.

Love you GLO, keep doing work and showing people that where there's counterfeit, there's real currency.

[–]testmypatience 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ALL Groups think they are the truth, the way, the light.

  • Red Pill fight to just do things within the system that exists.

  • MRAs fight to fix the system while fighting within the system that exists. This is both Red Pill and activism and is doing far more than just ignoring the system issues.

  • MGTOWs are just being bachelors because they feel that fighting within the system is dangerous they also feel that fighting to fix the system is pointless and would rather put their energies into more self focused activities.

All three are just fine. I've been banned from redpillwives because apparently they don't like realistic conversation. I've been banned from MGTOW because I disagreed with their viewpoint. I've not been banned here but have been warned because I disagree with a lot of what is said in this subreddit. I've been banned from the seduction subreddit because I disagreed with things that are said in there.

The point is that ALL these groups are trying to censor anything that doesn't reinforce their own viewpoint. I've even read today that the blue pill sub-reddit by in large is trying to get this, theredpill, sub-reddit banned from reddit all together just as they want to ban the seduction subreddit.

This censorship nonsense needs to stop. It is not at all rational and disagreeing with points of view needs to be accepted. This hivemind nonsense needs to stop.

[–]JvSOUL 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The least these ASS robots can do is use Gay Lube Oil to ease the drilling.

[–]Katavasis 1 point2 points  (3 children)

They call themselves 'the black pill'. They think that TRP is the alt.non mainstream version of feminism and that an individual solution cannot exist to a systemic phenomenon. Most of them do not deny or are ashamed of being virgin(with no intention to change that) and think porn is freedom.

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