Counterfeit Red Pills

RedSovereign · 2016-12-07T15:34:35+00:00

Note to everyone: Concern trolling is not tolerated in this sub, and anyone doing so will be banned immediately. This post itself is not concern trolling.

Original_Dankster · 2016-12-07T19:50:28+00:00

Ok, I came to TRP via MGTOW. I remember after a breakup, I googled "can a man be happy being single?" and found the MGTOW community - but once I dug in to reading what's out in the greater manosphere, I realized that TRP is more for me.

That said... MGTOW isn't offering a counterfeit red pill, at least in my opinion. They have the same change of perception as we do... They simply calculate that the opportunity cost of improving SMV is too high.

For example - I know a musical prodigy. The man is at the level of that drummer kid in that movie Whiplash. He don't got time for no pussy, life to him is about the keyboard. He's dedicated himself to 88 keys. He might not be MGTOW in his own mind, but he pretty much has their philosophy.

Anyways, just saying MGTOW isn't "giving up" - it's coming to a different conclusion about life.

Su-Wu_Red · 2016-12-07T16:06:15+00:00

There he finds a Black guy named Morpheus. As is customary among the Blacks, Morpheus offers Neo some drugs.

As a black man, I literally laughed out loud at this. Well played.

FLFTW16 · 2016-12-08T00:04:32+00:00

This is a great post and you had me literally laughing out loud. I agree with the general thrust of your argument but there is something I disagree about.

Unfortunately there is another group of men claiming to be the Red Pill. Lets call them the Counterfeiters. The Counterfeiters are quick to point out whats wrong with society but at no point do they offer a solution. Being angry at society for valuing women above men as it has done since the beginning of time doesn't accomplish anything. Being angry at women for forsaking logic in favor of emotion doesn't change anything. Yelling at the ocean for being salty and undrinkable doesn't transform it into fresh mountain spring water. However, that is exactly what Paul Elam MGTOWs and MRAs are doing. The tragic irony of the Counterfeiters is that by pretending to offer a solution they prevent men from finding a real solution. Venting frustration at women is not self improvement. It's one thing to discuss flaws in female thinking with they aim of greater understanding and perhaps sexual exploitation. It's another thing complety to write off all women and live in a pleasure cave of alcohol, masturbation and self inflicted victimhood.

MRAs make up a social movement, a counter-attack against feminism. As a social movement they aspire to create broad changes to institutions such as the court system. They see injustice in the fact that men are easily stripped of custody of their children, men get divorced raped, men pay alimony, men are the vast majority of workplace deaths, suicides, combat deaths, and homeless--and all of this whilst we are brainwashed to believe that this is a man's world and that women are the oppressed.

Because MRAs are a social movement your individual MRA can be a fat piece of shit with body odor. He isn't campaigning for his personal success in the sexual market, he is campaigning for social change--for more equitable treatment for all men and boys. This makes your MRA type something of an altruist or idealist.

MGTOWs, as far as I can tell, are not a social movement but rather a loose collection of herbivore men that voluntarily opt out. The lines get blurred here, however, because some MGTOWs enthusiastically use prostitutes, or engage in short term flings with women but will never commit; going so far as to get a vasectomy to prevent ever being 'trapped'. What each man does to go his own way can look quite a bit like what a red pilled man does. Some MGTOW lift and crush pussy, others look like fat smelly MRAs and dedicate their lives to video games and online trolling. It's not as cut and dry as you present it.

There is no point in shaming or encouraging someone to the RP brigade. I endorse the doctrine of "No enemies to the right." I don't have to be an MRA to see the truth of their convictions and the value of their work. Nor do I have to be a MGTOW to see the logic of their choice even if it's not my personal choice. Each additional man who opens his eyes and acts upon his convictions changes the world--if only slightly. Every man who says "NO!" to the gynocentric agenda of society weakens the feminist Leviathan a little bit more, and that is a beautiful thing.

HighPiracy · 2016-12-07T15:22:15+00:00

Lotta focus on robots drilling some dudes asshole

mojo_juju · 2016-12-08T05:11:52+00:00

Allow me to be the first to ask:

Who gives a fuck? And why?

So what if there are other subs with similar and/or tangential concerns.

PedroIsWatching · 2016-12-07T14:51:29+00:00

I for one am glad the community at large recognized the massive concern trolling from MGTOWs this summer and told them all to fuck off.

There's nothing noble about giving up and checking out of the game. That's what losers do. You keep improving yourself, and you keep moving forward. That's what men do.

[deleted] · 2016-12-07T14:43:49+00:00

Lifting is my recommendation to anyone of my male friends going through anything. I figured this out at 18, ten years ago, long before i discovered the community. It just made sense intuitively, and if you think about it, it's easily the most accessible form of self improvement to men. Once I realized gains and saw the attentions of women start to change towards me, I "got it." Even men who used to pick on me in high school respect the hell out of me now. Lift gentleman. Lift. Lift. Lift.

Have a problem with your girlfriend? Lift

Frustrated at work? Lift

Family issues? Lift

Legal trouble? Lift

It's cheap, healthy, and commands respect from society. Once you reach a certain level of physique, the universe will recognize your status. People will defer to you as the group alpha at work, with friends, etc.

perplexedm · 2016-12-07T23:03:31+00:00

I'll say one thing to r MGTOW: They Have solidarity. TRP in some ways brown noses these hoes, gives then what they want to get what you want. To me that's a bit of beta BS.

MGTOW doesn't play the game anymore. It's a movement to CHANGE the game. If you aren't playing that game, your opponent must play yours. You want a red pill woman? Well, some of TRPS game makes the crazy bitches we're trying to avoid; you're fucking yourself in the long run with dread game and such...why would I waste my time trying to scare a hoe??? If it's come to that let her go.

IF A BROAD IS ACTING CRAZY, NOTHING STRAIGHTENS HER OUT MORE THAN NOT DEALING WITH HER SHIT.

Women can't stand to be ignored and will change their ways en masse if men en masse don't put up with it. Have a fucking backbone before you tap that ass. Pussy is not the end all be all of life. Your grandpa knew it and checked the shit out out of women for nonsense; what do you think a spinster is? Be a team and watch your world change for the better.

kruxofthemimed · 2016-12-07T21:34:51+00:00

Continuing with the matrix analogy, Neo was the 'the one' because he himself was an anomaly. If we look at the humans ability to combat the AI (kung fu and all that shit), what makes one person better or worse, weaker or stronger? What makes one man's RP truth more 'right' or 'true' than the next man's? What gave Neo god status in the matrix? Prophecy and probability, was the answer in the matrix, but I don't think that's true in our reality. Those that rise to the top are those that can fundamentally shed their preconceived(taught) notions about reality. There is no prophecy here, only the understanding that the system is built on rules and because of that we can manipulate those rules to generate our desired outcome. Starve yourself of system input and you will become an independent variable capable to asserting your will on the system.

BuffaloSoljah · 2016-12-07T22:55:19+00:00

Nice self-promo, faggot.

Get fucking real and tell us something we don't know. Goddamn shit-posters and their megalomaniacal echo chamber.

FFS, this doesn't need as many posts as it gets. Lay down the fucking law and get on with it.

bowie747 · 2016-12-07T20:52:49+00:00

Rollo's book has a lot of typos

Entropy-7 · 2016-12-07T12:50:41+00:00

I was disappointed to not be listed among the knowledgeable few, but relieved to see I was not mentioned as a poser.

I FUCKING LOVE BEING ALIVE. Life is a whirl. I travel, I learn shit, I make love to beautiful women. I have this thing called a "job" that pays for these experiences.

YOU ARE BEING LIED TO

Getting the "good job" and buying the house next to the Jones's with the white - fucking picket fences and shit. . . JUST SAY NO!

Being the "nice guy" and sitting on your hands or bringing her flowers or being polite orbiting her. Do you how long you can orbit Uranus? It takes 84 fucking years! That is a lifetime and you can't waste your life being in orbit.

I like my porn, I like my alcohol, and I like to fap. . .all within limits. I learn, I build skillz and I really should lift more, but I am happy with the way things are unfolding.

Whatever you do, don't be a whiney bitch.

YOUR LIFE IS IN YOUR HANDS

If you are confused then go to ASKREDPILL

If you have insight then post it here.

However, I am getting tired of the fuckers who just want to bitch about bitches.

That has been so done you can stick a fork in it.

Fuck the negative: focus on the positive.

[deleted] · 2016-12-08T00:28:26+00:00

It is kinda funny that as knowledge of the manosphere seeps into the mainstream that people confuse TRP with MRA (obviously this is mainly due to the movie). It is hilarious, we actively hate on MRAs yet the mainstream will take years to make the distinction, assuming they ever figure it out. It is very 48 laws of power. We get to be shitlord, pussy slaying, misogynists while people actually think we are weepy bitches worrying about men getting beat up by their landwhale wives. It could not have worked out any better.

PopeJamal · 2016-12-07T15:58:40+00:00

"...but at no point do they offer a solution..." "...by pretending to offer a solution..."

So which one is it?

The red pill was an offer to show Neo the true nature of reality. At no point was Neo obligated to change it and there was no guarantee that he would even accept what he saw as the true reality.

The red pill is truth. Taking the red pill is being shown the truth. What men do with that truth is totally up to them and a completely different matter from taking action. Choosing to opt out of the game can be argued to be the more intelligent choice (similar to the movie "War Games": "The only way to win, is not to play."). Besides, I doubt very many MGTOWs would turn down a no-strings attached BJ, so what does MGTOW even mean?

You seem to be big on solutions, so here's my solutions:

1) Stop trying to arbitrarily exclude people. MGTOW and otherwise. I really enjoy listening to alot of the RP discussion that goes on here until some of you guys start with that "white boy" bullshit and things start to get a little to "aryan nation" and "save our beautiful blonde women" for my taste. This shit happens any time the subject of "foreigners" comes up. Stop it. We're all brothers in the struggle and stronger together. We shouldn't be using "divide and conquer" on ourselves.

2)Come up with a different name. There were other people in the Matrix that didn't choose to "fight the good fight". Some of them chose to participate by contributing somehow to the society in Zion, while others probably went their own way. Just because a man doesn't want to fucking "lift" doesn't mean that he isn't aware of red pill principles and it doesn't make him useless. This isn't a religion. Stop fucking bro shaming. If you're so gung-ho about change and you think lifting your way to an ideal society is the answer, then make your own offshoot of the RP community focused on your niche. Grow the family tree by expanding the community, stop trying to cut limbs off.

3) Deal with it. Seriously. Why do you care so much about what another man does with his life/time? Especially in the case of MGTOWs because those guys are literally over in the corner doing their own thing and not hurting anyone. Let these dudes live.

I don't understand why people are so quick to want to turn everything into a fucking religion. Can't we just sit around and talk about things without wanting to pass out membership cards and start excluding people to make ourselves feel special?

mutageno · 2016-12-07T19:38:30+00:00

Hey, random MGTOW guy here. WTF happened? Why you assume the concern trolls are MGTOW?

I don't understand why our differences have to make us hate each other. Do your thing, we do our thing. Constructive criticism is welcome. I think we have a lot more in common than differences.

Also, why assume all MGTOWs are fat gamers. And for the ones who are, why does it bother you? I personally don't give a fuck, pick your own poison and all that.

asymptotic_salvation · 2016-12-07T21:48:17+00:00

In the movie The Matrix, a man named Neo is floating around in a giant tub of pink semen...

This post sounds a lot like GayLu... Yep.

zezozio · 2016-12-08T01:20:07+00:00

I've always been worried about being considered "gmow" but I think I just am too focused...maybe even like physcopathically so. I have almost zero intrest in women, even sexually its like a back burner thought. I spend all of my time in the gym, kitchen, studio or at my job. I put a 150% effort into all of this, where do I fit women into that? Why would I? Every chick my age (early 20's) sucks so bad, they are just annoying and boring. The only thing that keeps me motivated is the fact I know my "manhood" really blooms is in my 30's. Is anyone else in the same boat? Can I get a little guiding wisdom or reassurance im not fucking up?

NightwingTRP · 2016-12-07T12:39:44+00:00

What's more is there are multiple solutions to these problems... which makes the MGTOWs and angry, whiny, bitchy little boys even more laughable. However I, nor anyone else, can prevent the stupid being stupid. (As I recall there's a genetic factor involved so they were genuinely born that way and no amount of explanation or encouragement is going to change the fact they weren't born with enough of the basics required to make the journey.) So ultimately the only reason we talk about this and tell people that we don't hold responsibility for their success or failure... is because they need to learn that they too hold no responsibility for this. Beyond that, the topic is moot.

Ifuckinglovepron · 2016-12-07T15:31:50+00:00

I agree. I have felt for a while that TRP should be split into phases as subs, leave this one for the new people still angry and finding this info mind changing. Make a new one like TRP2 for advanced theory and life stories and such for those who dont need to read beginner stuff anymore.

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Hillarysdilddo_2016 · 2016-12-07T14:56:32+00:00

In the movie The Matrix, a man named Neo is floating around in a giant tub of pink semen while robots harvest his asshole for energy. ... There he finds a Black guy named Morpheus. As is customary among the Blacks, Morpheus offers Neo some drugs...

Well, that's quite the summary of The Matrix.

But I got my hopes up, thought you were going to call out the trolls on this sub. But I guess MRAs are the next best target (although I don't blame them for their anger at the injustice). I guess what pisses you off is their helplessness.

However, most of my comments are political in nature as just being sexually successful does jack shit to change the world. It is my belief that we must spread red pill ideas to counter the extreme brainwashing that has been bestowed upon us by global powers. My point is lifting, being angry, living large does little to affect change. I think we should aspire to forge the world into something better rather than let it burn. But not gonna lie I do enjoy watching it burn.

[deleted] · 2016-12-10T18:57:09+00:00

The whole "MGTOW = sitting around masturbating all day" thing is getting pretty old

AsianZ1 · 2016-12-07T14:14:41+00:00

An excellent analysis GLO. Anger is good so long as it is useful (i.e. motivating you to lift harder and get better). Anger for anger's sake is harmful.

AlphaGalaxy · 2016-12-07T18:16:19+00:00

Red pill in matrix is trace program.

MacNulty · 2016-12-07T18:57:35+00:00

The real Red Pill is that all our problems are in the psyche of the collective mind and that the rabbit hole grows with time as the inner worlds of men and women are being manifested out into the outside world so it becomes clearer and clearer how corrupted we are as a species, until it becomes impossible to ignore for everyone.

Rollo-Tomassi · 2016-12-09T17:00:10+00:00

Here's a little secret, any guy who emancipates himself from his Blue Pill conditioning and becomes Red Pill aware is, in a sense, a MGTOW.

You cannot become Red Pill aware and not be changed to some degree. That change means to some extent you will be 'going your own way' apart from the men who remain trapped in their Blue Pill conditioned existences. You will 'go your own way' and make a conscious effort to engage (or not) with women from a Red Pill perspective that aligns with that new awareness.

I know that's not what you're spelling out in this post, but it needs to be said that once you go down the rabbit hole there's no coming back. It's how guys choose to deal with this new awareness that's at issue with "counterfeit red pills".

RPFlame · 2016-12-10T00:26:14+00:00

William Golding, in one of my favorite essays called "thinking as a hobby" categorizes thinking in 3 stages:

Grade-three thinking is the lowest form and is really hardly thinking at all. Grade-three thinking is reliance on emotion and prejudice.
Grade-two thinking, Golding says, is the detection of contradictions. One step up from grade-three thinking, it allows the wielder to find logical inconsistencies in political systems and religions. Grade-two thinking allows for the detection of hypocrisy. However, grade-two thinking is destructive by nature. People who apply grade-two thinking enjoy dissolving arguments, calling others wrong, complaining about a movie being bad or how the food sucks. But they are unable to make a better argument, movie or food. This is the grade the average redditor lies.
And that brings us to grade-one thinking, which takes the burned-out remains of a landscape ravaged by grade-two thought and begins to try to erect a new edifice. This is hard work. Creation and construction always require more effort and energy than destruction.

You can guess on which grade a redpiller ought to be. The solution stage. Every fucking idiot can yell "but that's wrong!", "but that's bad", "ha ha this book sucks". Fewer fucking idiots, by merit of having balls, end up writing books, cook, compose or solve problems.

True red pill is at grade one. Turning your head away pretending that the rest of the world doesn't exist or expecting things to resolve on their own is grade three or maybe two. They're not solutions to the problem.

retrogrooving · 2016-12-13T01:23:34+00:00

Accepting defeat is pitiful period. MGTOW should never have been an enabler for lazy and defeatist mentalities. There are voices there that are only about self-actualization. Crushing pussy, the social status ladder, all of that is ultimately meaningless if it isn't something you personally value. MGTOW can be a guy who wants to play video games for the rest of his life or a guy who sacrifices everything to build a fortune 500 company. It only depends on whether you own that choice you've made and are prepared to live with the circumstances that are result of that. Unfortunately too many champion the phrase without really living with what they are nor are they prepared to improve to change those circumstances.

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[deleted] · 2016-12-07T21:10:03+00:00

It's ok not to date, It's not ok not to live.

clavabot · 2016-12-08T08:46:28+00:00

"buy Rollo's book and lift" I just finished the rational male, and I have been lifting consistently for a month now, so I'm on track, but how to get the sex that I been starved of for 18 years?

Aaronindhouse · 2016-12-08T10:30:10+00:00

As someone who has played lots of video games in his life and who has recently begun to phase them out, ill say this:

Video games fulfilled my competitive drives. With these fulfilled i had no reason to be competitive in reality. I think the same holds true to some extent for porn too. As men, one of our most potent tools we have is our competitive nature. We need to embrace it and nurture it to be our best selves. Getting stronger, more fit, or any physical activity is good for improvement sure, but it is also fuel. Fuel that feeds our innate drive to compete, whether it's with ourselves, our friends, or others. We shouldn't be improving our lifts, looks, or wealth to get more women, we should be doing them because they are good for us. They fulfill the primal drive to compete. I think one of the best parts of TRP is that it opens us up to these ideas. The modern media promotes a negative image of men. A negative outlook on being hyper competitive. A negative image of winning.

If a man approaches a woman he's creepy. If he wins a competitive match in a sport he needs to share the win with everyone because it's not nice to leave out the losers. If a man doesn't keep distance from his job to spend more time with his kids, he's a bad father. If he doesn't spend enough time working harder to get a promotion and earn more, he's a bad father and husband. If he is looking for sex more than twice a week while married and kids, he's being too pushy. The list goes on etc. TRP is a place for men to first, recognize they are valuable, and second, see past all the bs telling us how wrong all our instincts are.

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Thizzlebot · 2016-12-09T06:47:52+00:00

This provided no useful information and was a self promotion as always (forgot to mention you sell shirts faggot) but an entertaining read.

DupreeMcJones · 2016-12-09T14:48:33+00:00

Your argument is predicated on an assumption that this 'whining' is futile.

It is not, or at least it is not necessarily. Your own post extols how you unplug people with information and thereby change their behaviour, the same can happen for wider society.

Our actions (men AND women) are an interplay of culture and psychology. Men's behaviour has been heavily moderated by culture (and often for the good, the near abolition of rape in modern societies has been very good for progress) whereas women's in the current climate is mostly unliberated by culture and a more primitive psychological behaviour is expressed.

MRA/MGTOW is an attempt (albeit often probably doing more damage than good) to use information to unplug society, i.e. reprogramming our culture for women. The concept is sound, the application could use some work.

At the end of the day these parts of the manosphere must be vital, as the red pill cannot work for everyone - every man unplugs?Well we can't all be top 20% can we, the system will not work! Taken to the limit we need a new system. Absolute focus on self-improvement will not achieve this.

noaydi · 2016-12-13T13:58:54+00:00

Liked the wording of the post :) funny.

MGTOW is mainly coward. It's a form of blue pill less evolved than blue pill itself. It's scratching the blue pill, understanding it's core is bs and staying in nothing rather than trying to at least make a new blue pill for dealing with reality their way. Don't want to take reality at all. No news.

GodLuminous · 2016-12-19T05:18:04+00:00

That shit about Morpheus had me rolling.

GayLubeOil · 2016-12-07T20:35:24+00:00

MGTOW doesn't offer a solution for society, but it does offer a solution for men themselves - to go their own way. Many of the pursuits of TRP and MGTOW overlap - exercise, work, wellbeing.

However the "solution" that TRP claims to offer is anything but. Your claim to helping men is devoting their lives to satisfying women's sexual needs. Your claim to helping society is nihilistic pumping and dumping. You've simply replaced a box of chocolates with a box of condoms.

You are not "alpha". I'm willing to bet 99% of this sub isn't "alpha". Alpha is doing things your own way, how you want it, when you want it. Not simply submitting in another manner.

Blacklabellogics · 2016-12-07T14:20:20+00:00

Many of the sources, such as MRAs and MGTOW are offering red pill solutions that by definition are not solutions or red pill.

For it to be a solution, it would require that it resolved some of the issues these men are facing.

Avoidance is not a solution, and engaging in Nirvana fallacies is not a solution. Avoiding women/relationships with women as per MGTOW, is simply avoiding the problem, never leaving your own comfort zone. Engaging in slacktivism to to attempt to change what stems from an underlying biological reality is the same approach feminism has been using for 30 or more years. In addition to pining to resolve an issue through Solomon's ruling, regardless of consequences.

For it to be red pill, it would require that one accepts the underlying reality.

In the case of a MGTOW, one may or may not accept the full range of red pill theory, one lives in a state of either denial, or repression. In the case of an MRA, one lives in a state of sublimation where one hopes that by working hard one can change reality.

[deleted] · 2016-12-07T15:36:12+00:00

End of the day, if youre not doing anything different, youre simply coping...

RP is not a coping strategy. What you do matters, action guides thought.

cappingPeople · 2016-12-07T20:00:08+00:00

What I gather from this post is that the Mods are Black and selling drugs to rape victims.

ShallITinder · 2016-12-08T05:26:07+00:00

I can't believe it, I 100% agree with GLO here.

I think that the best way to go about life as a man is to accept the harsh truths it has to offer and move forward from it. We've had neckbeards come in and say how status doesn't matter, how you're perceived doesn't matter, give the whole "be yourself and stop caring about what others think", and "Chad is going nowhere in life because he doesn't read books on a Friday night" garbage. A lot of these guy have cucked this sub and turned it from a place of self-improvement to a crying echo chamber.

We need more guys to call this stuff out so this place can be that innovative area of the web where men can get harsh truths as well as how to go about life regardless of the harsh truths being there.

I've wanted to get more talk going on social circles and meeting people but can't because the MGTOWs keep pushing the whole "oh but the lone wolf is cool you don't need people!" type of garbage.

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[deleted] · 2016-12-08T07:56:39+00:00

why are there so many faggots everywhere looking for handouts to be "a part" of the community?

dodo91 · 2016-12-08T08:46:24+00:00

Finally something well written on the annoying political motivation here. Hatred of women wont fix your problems people...so will blaming your political opponents.

StoicCrane · 2016-12-08T09:10:02+00:00

The easiest way to destroy an enemy organization is to infiltrate and sabotage it from within.

As with Cipher infected by Agent influence "Red Pillers" corrupted by Blue Pill influence are rampant among us. Our Red Pill Zion has been infiltrated.

However, archived posts and the Side Bar are our armoury to combat the threat. By mean of them we can restore TRP to the height of it's glory and exile the intruders. Use them wisely, brethren.

Windryder · 2016-12-09T05:33:11+00:00

When I first clicked on this, I thought it was going to be about people who were masquerading as red pill coming in here to sew misinformation. Instead, I see a post about people that have branded themselves as MGTOW or MRA. That's not the same thing as being a fake-TRP. They are competing philosophies [improve yourself (TRP) vs social engineering (MRA) vs be content being alone (MGTOW)] trying to accomplish the same kind of overall purpose; make men's lives better. They all have their uses. If someone's ugly in a way that can't be changed, maybe MGTOW helps them lead a productive life. If they're being divorce-raped, maybe MRA will do them the most good. For everything else there's TRP.

The only point of a thread like this is trying to drive a wedge and stir up shit between men. You shouldn't need to actively attack the fat neckbeards to prove you're better than them. People should know that just by looking at you. You don't need to do it to prove you think differently than they do either. People should know that just by listening to you. You shouldn't need to draw up borders and actively try to separate yourself for people to know you're different. The rest is just posturing and it looks like insecurity.

PorkNails · 2016-12-09T17:49:26+00:00

One of the best posts I have read in a while. Please, keep it up.

whisky1111 · 2016-12-10T19:45:23+00:00

To be totally honest, I think that the "sweet spot" is somewhere between MGTOW and TRP(as described in this sub). Both are extreme. I have no desire to be a SMV obsessed lifter but I also have no desire to never touch or talk to a woman again. Why does everything have to be an extreme, either/or, thing?

LOST_TALE · 2016-12-11T00:21:20+00:00

Denigrating a gorup of men with sophistry into wanting women puts you, by behavior, right down with the feminists.

Women do not compete equally high from one men to another hierarchy of values. I'd tell you a lot of RP men are vagina chasing animals with no higher purpose and maybe that's your standard.

I do not welcome your one-upman ship, aren't you already content with what you have. Where does this desire to post this critic of others stem from? an ideal? or a personal problem? Certainly not an ideal.

BlueFreedom420 · 2016-12-12T01:20:59+00:00

So Red Pill has finally said "fuck you" to MGTOWs. I thought MGTOWs were welcome aslong as they don't whine.

AnonymousAndLovinIt · 2016-12-12T17:52:29+00:00

My semen is pink and I am offended.

Level_Dreaded · 2016-12-12T19:35:10+00:00

So Paul Elam is basically the traitor in the matrix feasting on steak and pulling spinal taps for the right to bang Olivia Munn in his corner office. Great post GLO, I laughed way too loud at that black man line, top notch.

Soarinc · 2016-12-13T05:13:17+00:00

So for example if a Red Piller's girlfriend accidently on purpose sits on a strange dick

I didn't know that was really a thing.

Benny757 · 2016-12-13T19:05:32+00:00

Hey, just my opinion, but I don't really think the serious guys over at MGTOW ever advise boys or very young men to take up a MGTOW lifestyle. To the contrary, they are advised to visit here, and learn from the Red Pill sub. As an alternative, a short period of Monk Mode time might be recommended.

In defense of some of the main points of MGTOW, however, many men there have the opinion that you do not need a woman to be happy. You need to be happy in and of your own self first and foremost.

When discussing sexual strategy, many, if not most of the philosophy from TRP's sidebar and some of the endorsed contributors is shared by MGTOW veterans. As well, in MGTOW's defense, many of the more serious members have decades more experience and perspective on sex, women and relationships, and life in general than many of TRP's endorsed members. No all, of course, but many.

So, all I'd say is that when casting your net, or pointing your argumentative finger, try not focusing on just the tree when you are in the middle of a forest. Men are far more sophisticated than being singled out as "Counterfeiters." That's simply an argument from the point of shallowness or weakness. It sounds good maybe. But not really accurate at all. It's more conclusory than anything. You missed the forest.

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[deleted] · 2016-12-07T22:50:00+00:00

I knew it was you from the first sentence, GLO.

It's important for everyone to remember that counterfeits only exist in the context of real currency. No one counterfeits Venezuelan money because it's essentially worthless. No one would ever counterfeit a $5 bill, because it's of way less value than a $20, $50, or $100, and takes just as much work. Conversely, the MOST counterfeited currencies are the ones that are the most valuable.

Just like no one counterfeits the Venezuelan currency, there are no "counterfeit betas". Beta strategy is comprised of ineffective bullshit, and who would imitate something that didn't work in the first place? They'd rather pretend to implement the strategy that works, even if they're just faking. The very existence of these dipshits imagining that they've swallowed the fake red pill only proves the power of the legit red pill.

Love you GLO, keep doing work and showing people that where there's counterfeit, there's real currency.

testmypatience · 2016-12-10T02:00:07+00:00

ALL Groups think they are the truth, the way, the light.

Red Pill fight to just do things within the system that exists.
MRAs fight to fix the system while fighting within the system that exists. This is both Red Pill and activism and is doing far more than just ignoring the system issues.
MGTOWs are just being bachelors because they feel that fighting within the system is dangerous they also feel that fighting to fix the system is pointless and would rather put their energies into more self focused activities.

All three are just fine. I've been banned from redpillwives because apparently they don't like realistic conversation. I've been banned from MGTOW because I disagreed with their viewpoint. I've not been banned here but have been warned because I disagree with a lot of what is said in this subreddit. I've been banned from the seduction subreddit because I disagreed with things that are said in there.

The point is that ALL these groups are trying to censor anything that doesn't reinforce their own viewpoint. I've even read today that the blue pill sub-reddit by in large is trying to get this, theredpill, sub-reddit banned from reddit all together just as they want to ban the seduction subreddit.

This censorship nonsense needs to stop. It is not at all rational and disagreeing with points of view needs to be accepted. This hivemind nonsense needs to stop.

JvSOUL · 2016-12-07T16:51:57+00:00

The least these ASS robots can do is use Gay Lube Oil to ease the drilling.

Katavasis · 2016-12-07T14:25:00+00:00

They call themselves 'the black pill'. They think that TRP is the alt.non mainstream version of feminism and that an individual solution cannot exist to a systemic phenomenon. Most of them do not deny or are ashamed of being virgin(with no intention to change that) and think porn is freedom.

warmbutteredbagel · 2016-12-08T01:52:36+00:00

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Paul Élan doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he is doing.

ex_addict_bro · 2016-12-07T18:53:37+00:00

"But video games are okay in moderation!!!" - 80% of users of this sub and 100% of my downvoters.

It's like saying "being a loser is okay in moderation".

FieldLine · 2016-12-07T15:36:49+00:00

"Haha great essay GLO, but of course this doesn't apply to me, I have a reason why I can't squat more than 185. But yeah, most other guys in TRP are posers."

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-12-07T14:45:58+00:00

The Red Pill simply gives you the glitches (new dots) which permit you to see ways where the dots connect to give a solution that is real.

"Dumbing Down" is when dots are limited and you are encouraged by your programming to connect them only in "approved ways".

What makes the Red Pill great is this ability for it to introduce new ideas which get you to reconnect the dots in a Paradigm Shift.

The more original and flexible our thinking (Amused Mastery) the more it encourages self improvement in others.

Our minds are alive and awake... the beta mind is robotic and programmed.

The Red Pill drug makes our minds more aware.

SkorchZang · 2016-12-07T16:11:43+00:00

The original GLO badassery, it's alllll back. And you thought you've seen it all, Samantha Bee.

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joh2141 · 2016-12-07T15:18:47+00:00

I concur with this. Can't go around whining "Wimminz bane of society." Let's remember this. Doting mothers created an era of betas and cuck pussies. And doting fathers created a generation of feminazi entitled princesses. It's not like women are solely at fault here. We see plenty evidence men are problem too. Just accept the reality and learn to live in it in ways you can be happy rather than live it in bitterness/cynicism/like a cuck

BusterVadge · 2016-12-07T15:42:19+00:00

Anger is the problem, as well as the IDGAF attitude. Yes, men in general should not give a fuck about most things, but we should definitely give a fuck to things that matter.

Thanks for trying your best to make a difference.

[deleted] · 2016-12-07T19:11:24+00:00

Being angry at society for valuing women above men as it has done since the beginning of time doesn't accomplish anything. Being angry at women for forsaking logic in favor of emotion doesn't change anything. Yelling at the ocean for being salty and undrinkable doesn't transform it into fresh mountain spring water.

From what I have seen- the "anger" phase is a sinister little psychological evolution. Unless it leads you to a general apathy, self commitment and love for who you are- the process of creating yourself- it will make you puke that red sweetness back up and go satisfy the blue pill withdrawals. And that is how you end up the bitter husband of a waifu, kids.

You know, I like this place. I think I'll hang around- make it reek of gun oil and canned salmon. The whole nine yards.

twiskirano · 2016-12-08T03:35:10+00:00

This is the only reddit thread that's made me crack up irl lol.

perplexedm · 2016-12-08T12:12:58+00:00

The Counterfeiters are quick to point out whats wrong with society but at no point do they offer a solution.

That is BS. Society needs people who are intelligent enough to pinpoint issues. That will help problem solvers find solutions to those issues.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-12-09T03:02:14+00:00

Very interesting points but I am not convinced that MGTOW and certainly MRA is dealing a false Red Pill. Taking the Red Pill is only the awakening from your ignorance. Some men who have taken the Red Pill choose to pursue legal remedies- MRA's. Some men choose to avoid women- MGTOW. Some men choose to learn how to take advantage of the ruins of Western society and fuck as many gullible, unspervised women as possible- PUA's.

I think it is all "The Red Pill." Although this Reddit is certainly heavily geared towards self improvement as the reasonable solution to taking The Red Pill, other men see it differently. So dividing groups of men who have seen the light merely because we have different reactions is a mistake.

Bold shit naming names though.

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Counterfeit as in another sub or MRA's and MGTOW?

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P1000123 · 2016-12-11T17:24:28+00:00

GLO advice for the man who has had tons of women but older, out of shape and jaded. I've grown tired of the chase, or is it just being fat that makes me assume that? Either way, being jakked and in shape is always better, but that jaded feeling still is there. Guess I just gotta get oer it.

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-12-12T01:28:21+00:00

What you say is true and yet there is one big weakness left in the classic Red Pill way of thinking. And that weakness is that we have become stagnant in the way we administer the Red Pill. We are so convinced by our understanding of the truth that we stop looking deeper. Instead opting to harvest our fruits of labor of intensified plate sex marathons.

We say that society values women over men and that this is the truth and so we should find peace and acceptance that women have it easy and can get anything they want, regardless of how they look. As long as they are not to fat or to ugly. But what we forget is that women are still organisms, not robots. They still have to perform and therefor they can fail. They can make wrong decisions that don't end up benenfitting them and they can make correct decisions that do.

Traditional Red Pill would quit looking beyond the surface and deny this truth. That women are still in a 'yin yang' balance towards men. That this is natural law and holds true for all things. And so we teach tons of unplugged guys that even this HB5 can get fucked by Super Chad and he stands almost no chance wihout mindbending game and SMV. He will never see the truth, that she might get fucked by Super Chad but that he will never stick around.

Completely forgetting to discuss, question, debate and argue the set truth we are trying to hold on to so dearly. And so the unplugged doesn't learn much at all. For he will still fuck and date plates who are clear and obvious sluts. He will still remain loyal until cheated on. And he will still believe that everything is fixable by game and proper cold approaching. He never fixes the problems, simply arrives at a new one. We teach them to not think for themselves. Which is the essence of the Red Pill. To stop being a slave that listens to the reality of others. And instead looks for the reality of himself. Engaging in conversations with others to test his hypotheses. To learn and to teach and eventually improve. To find the truth rather than having it preached to him.

If we are to evolve beyond what we are now and avoid stagnation we need to stop the fear mongering and open the flood gates that bring forth new ideas and points of view. To truly make men free thinkers instead of labeling truths true or a counterfeit. The Red Pill doesn't follow you once you leave this website and log out of your internet. The only Red Pill that can do that is the one that you let free in your own mind. To again trust your instincts again and have confidence in your opinions and observations

6d65746164656c7461 · 2016-12-12T15:02:49+00:00

On the movie Fight Club, Tyler Durden says: "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need." MGTOW thought it meant to forfeit women completely. It didn't. It just means that women can't be a men's goal.

As Rollo Tomasi said on The Rational Male: "Regardless, whatever your reasons, women should only ever be a compliment to a man’s life, never the focus of it. When you start living for a woman you become that woman."

Nergaal · 2016-12-15T00:19:28+00:00

you should buy Rollo's book and lift.

I get the point, but it isn't really helpful. The so-called counterfitters would not mind an actual helping hand instead of "buy this book".

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The Red Pill is so fucking strong it immediately wakes Neo up

The Red Pill was actually a program that interrupted Neo's input/output signals enough that Morpheus and his crew could figure out where Neo's physical body was, and manually hack in to wake him up.

I feel like this metaphor honestly works better. The pill wasn't the cure; it was the choice that allowed him to be saved.

abbafishhead · 2016-12-17T10:32:51+00:00

My only issue with MGTOWs is that the vast majority of them are simply incels claiming to be vocels (voluntarily celibate). I can't respect that sort of sour grapes mentality.

waitinforaneightfold · 2016-12-19T11:22:08+00:00

Can't fuckin stand mgtow. they say they're goin their own way yet all their top posts are about women and how evil they are. doesn't help anything in the slightest

nooomaam · 2016-12-07T12:54:03+00:00

I'd like to add /u/thefamilyalpha here, lube. The rest of y'all are showing us how amazing life can be if we just know what the deal is. TFA has been spot on for those of us who have the expansion pack.

Thanks again y'all.

pizzalover24 · 2016-12-07T16:22:08+00:00

Why is this ALL gender related? Where is the real matrix awakening shit? This seems like high school pep talks when your girlfriend dumps you...

This shit, aka taking the red pill, is SO FAR BEYOND gender roles and I can't help but feel this place uses the name RED PILL out of school and completely out of context in order to further your borderline incel philosophies

Someone please tell me otherwise because I don't fucking get it.

The_BitterTruth · 2016-12-07T15:38:27+00:00

Could tell this was faggot cream butters writing within the first two sentences. Love the humor. No homo.

7Fig · 2016-12-07T18:41:29+00:00

GLO is on point here. MRAs have good intentions but they're not really going anywhere as activists. MGTOWs are the ultimate butt hurt "red pillers". I know some of you think your done with women and you refuse to be a part of their world, but you're forgetting one big part. Men exists to fuck women. Women exists to get fucked by men.

I also agree with GLO that venting is not a solution. If you feel the need to lose your cool for a moment go ahead and do so; however it is important for you to regain your composure and conduct yourself as a leader driven to constantly become a better man.

stawek · 2016-12-07T23:44:47+00:00

The main and fatal flow of MGTOW philosophy is their delusion that they can sign out.

No, guys, you can't. depending on the country up to 70% of your income is being taking away and distributed among single mothers. We're all cucks. If we have to pay for it, at least let's get some fun out of them.

asa93 · 2016-12-07T16:10:48+00:00

I am not angry at women.

What Evolution theory has taught me is that nature is a perpetual fight and everybody play with its own cards. Competition is everywhere and at every level, and unity is illusory, even whithin the self. At any moment, anybody can turn against you, shit, even your own cells can say fuck it and start growing into a tumor because they dont want to die for you (Dawkins' theory of the egoist gene).

Once you realize that, you will live a happy life.

note: this idea does not apply only on men-women interaction, it is much wider. I tried to explain it to people but they thought I was crazy ha.

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circlhat · 2016-12-07T16:46:59+00:00

valuing women above men as it has done since the beginning of time doesn't accomplish anything.

Umm 100 years ago men and marriage were much different and being a men was seen as a Honorable thing.

Men's right movement is water down red pill as they still believed that they can talk and work things out.

They have made great strides and offer resources for men available no were else

Venting frustration at women is not self improvement

Correct, but realizing the system you live in is a important first step

brooklynisburnin · 2016-12-07T17:06:12+00:00

It's ironic because for a movement called MGTOW, they give way too many shits about political correctness.

The thing about those kind of men is that, after it's all said and done, they've swallowed the pill but crave to achieve the same as feminists did, "fight" for their rights and be applauded for doing it, they fantasize with crowds being outraged after finding out we, men, can also be victims of injustice and "unfairness".

I say fuck that, best case scenario the whole world "swallows" the pill, women turn into unicorns and what about new generations of men? They are born into a fluffy pink world and grow to be even worse than current betas, then when shit hits the fan, we are all fucked.

TejrnarG · 2016-12-07T19:12:16+00:00

Good post there. The trick for finding the right woman is to find one which is, as yourself, not in fear of accepting and respecting differences between men and women.

Women are often more emotional and less rational. It doesn't help to deny it. If you can kind of accept it as part of their biology, it makes you understand her better, and it can make an argument with her and forgiving each other afterwards much easier. This is of course not only up to the man, but goes both ways. If she is bitchy, she should also commit it, once emotions are down again.

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Personally, I have had it with MGTOWs and think they begging for handouts no different than feminists.

Yea, its fucking lonely and hard to be a man.

But when you get there its just not possible to go back and one would never want to do so

TheRedStoic · 2016-12-07T16:14:48+00:00

Another gold standard excellent post.

I think the major takeaway here, is that action begets results. We are agents, living in a world we can choose to effect, or choose to ignore and avoid.

Feel good words are almost always simply avoidance. The thing that sets ECS and endorsed/vets aside, is that their advice is always from a position of practical application, or deeper understanding of it.

You'll notice, reading top of all time, or going through these few individuals histories, 80%of their posts include actionable advice, about only 20% are purely theory.

Go do, after finding what type of doing works best for you.

Thx again GLO, and thx other endorsed who slaved through trying the myriad methods, then specialized in helping those who need it to use the cream of the crop.

Edit: I myself have quite a few posts in top of all time, over a few accounts, but I've noticed, the best ones are always actionable. Though I love theory, we're men, we need to do things. Not only ponder. Embrace your agency

If I ever begin submitting again, I'll be doing my best to emulate this example set.

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SubAutisticHuman · 2016-12-10T03:24:45+00:00

LMAO both the Red Pill and Blue Pill are outdated. TAKE THE BLACK PILL.

RedMagnus · 2016-12-12T23:11:36+00:00

What about the kikes? What do we do about them?