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Rant/VentingQuit Porn (if you want) But Heed My Warning of NoFap (self.TheRedPill)

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I appreciate the recent post by u/throwmebaba "How I quit porn (my own xpost)", but a lot of guys need to be made aware of certain things present in the No Fap community before they go that route.

 

1st, read my username and consider that I have given No Fap a lot of thought consideration.

2nd, yes I still No Fap but I follow none of the indoctrination nonsense from that community (I'll briefly explain at the end).

 

Here's a short list of what you'll encounter over there:

 

  • Sad circle jerks of social justice blue pillers using their own tears for lubrication.

  • Feminists.

  • Evangelists.

  • Socially awkward, self-loathing fapstronauts engaging in female pedestalization.

  • When someone mentions their "strange porn fetishes" you should know going in that what they consider "strange" and what you consider "strange" are going to vary widely.

    "Can't stop watching scat videos." "Shemale porn is the worst trigger for me." "I'm not gay but it got to a point where all I would watch was gay porn."

 

Note: I got nothing against gays, but if you're attracted to gay fish and you masturbate to videos of fish dicks, you might be a gay fish.

You're not Tom Cruise; you can't just outrun your gay thoughts.

 

The reality of the situation is that instead of addressing issues about porn addiction, the attack is on masturbation in general, and to a lesser extent masculinity and sexuality. Some No Fappers advocate for complete celibacy. Almost all of them advocate treating erectile dysfunction by completely abstaining from orgasm via hard "reboot".

There was a study done on testosterone levels of men who were diagnosed with ED prior to the study that showed their testosterone levels plummeted after 30 days of abstinence and further complicated their erectile issues. Concerning at the very least.

I have no personal issues with "rebooting" if it is being done to break porn and/or masturbation addiction, but telling men with ED that their issue is definitely porn/masturbation related and suggesting they do something that scientific studies have suggested might be a bad idea, I find that appalling.

 

You think you might have a porn problem? Start cutting back on porn consumption and do some research. Just don't go limping blindly into a dark room with a bunch of guys who have (metaphorically) removed their own dicks without at least a small amount of caution.

 

So why do I no fap?

I no fap for motivation to conquer more pussy. And for the self-denial gainz. And the test boost (disputable). And for the libido boost. And the rock hard erections. And for the ejaculations that travel at warp speed across the room.

Some say month long or year-long no faps are beneficial, but in my experiences shit gets weird after not ejaculating for 2-3 weeks. The longer you go the weirder. I only no fap for 2 week stints. If I haven't gotten pussy or a bj or at least an hj within two weeks, I break it on day 15 and just brutally punish my nuts for 24 hours and then start over. I also start a new no fap every time I have sex or get a blowey. I never say no to sex. NEVER.

To me, no fap is a 2-week mind game as motivation to get pussy. My entire point is to get more sex by denying myself the laziness of masturbation. Probably the biggest thing to avoid is the porn. Porn is a vice, like a drug; in fact fapping releases dopamine as a reward response for not getting laid. Bad shit. So when I break a no fap I do it with my mind powers.

 

Should you fap or no fap? It's up to you. No fap isn't for everyone, quitting porn isn't a necessity for everyone, but if you think it might be something to consider, do yourself a favor and approach the concepts of no fap objectively and not blindly. In my opinion the biggest issue has little to do with the act of masturbation, and everything to do with addiction to porn and a lack of self-control.

 

EDIT: Update Link to the study summary.

Link to article with quotes from doctor who did study


[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (1 child)

The 'pornfree' subreddit exists for this exact reason. Way less autism and a more rational approach to abstaining that focuses on porn rather than masturbation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had some ED and libido problems so I tried no fap. My experiences are:

First it's weird that no one mentioned two types of jacking off: masturbation and over masturbation. Overmasturbation is jacking off multiple times a day to a point where you ejaculate even without proper erection because your dick is overused, also you develop deathgrip which is also real. Overmasturbation kills libido, erection, and fucks up few things in your head. For example you can't get an erection unless you do it by your hand. Scary. Overmasturbation is even well documented and researched in medical world. And yes, not doing it is, well, good.

Now, masturbation. I think healthy masturbation is or should be welcomed: and that is 1-3 times a week of jerking without gripping it like a barbell and without using porn.

How I do no fap: I found out that not touching my dick except I piss or taking a shower gives me extra libido, massive erections, stronger frame and deeper voice. It saved my sex life and relationships.

However..I do it for a week if I didn't have sex. More then that is weird. All the opposite effects. If I have regular sex few times a week then I don't do it alone..but in any case I won't go long without busting it.

So there is some truth in what these guys are saying..but I think honestly anyone who didn't ejaculated for months or years is fucked up.

[–]flashbang123 193 points194 points  (71 children)

Porn addiction is the problem, masterbation is healthy - but ffs don't spank the monkey 5x a day. The dopamine studies are alarming - porn dopamine rushes last longer than actual sex and peak higher than most addictive drugs. You should want to chase skirts not pixels.

Porn + masterbation rewires your brain (google 'porn + neuroplasticity') - that ain't healthy. Nofap is for those guys that have a porn + masterbation addiction. Nofap is for guys that have lost their libido. Viagra won't help these guys, they need this.

Self control is a virtue. Conquer thyself and you will become unstoppable.

[–]vagbutters 64 points65 points  (25 children)

Conquer thyself and you will become unstoppable.

I think this is a hard truth that most men fail to realize. They're too caught up in shifting the blame to external factors when, more often than not, it is their own failings that lead to them suffering.

There's no doubt about it- every aspect of being an alpha is difficult. You have to constantly watch your diet, you have to exercise well most days of the week, you have to apply yourself in your career and do extremely well, and you must have enough game to approach women successfully. Sacrifice is the name of the game.

[–]Luckyluke23 18 points19 points  (22 children)

Sacrifice is the name of the game.

this is why I'm not getting laid currently

[–]Captain_Braddles 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think you're framing it the wrong way. It's not a sacrifice if you want to do it badly enough. If you want something, doing what you need to do isn't much of a sacrifice if you've decided you want that thing enough.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 17 points18 points  (20 children)

Good news; getting laid is not the final goal in life.

[–]Luckyluke23 5 points6 points  (1 child)

when you haven't fapped since nye and you have no girls around. then yeah it is.

[–]Myollinir 3 points4 points  (17 children)

Isn't the only reason any human life exists because humans procreate?

In a strange way isn't it the point of life? No babies means no life.

Perhaps you mean subjectively to yourself.. but life in general literally requires sex and babies to exist.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 18 points19 points  (10 children)

Agreed, BUT, as conscious beings we have the gift of making our goals and ambitions bigger and grander than putting your penis in a wet hole.

[–]Lo-G 8 points9 points  (8 children)

To maximize your efficiency in achieving said goals, it is ideal to regularly have a wet hole to put your penis in though.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Quite the contrary. I find that when I am distracted with sexual thoughts that it's way harder to concentrate. However when you 'channel' that sexual energy into your work, you get such damn focus and productivity, it's crazy.

[–]MethodicalRedman 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Either this is theoretical crap you don't truly believe or you are asexual. Realistically the only time a man isn't really thinking much of sex, is right after sex. The Japanese even have a word for this sage like state of clarity, Kenjataimu. After a night of ball draining sex, I'm so in the zone with anything despite my lack of sleep. Men vary in their capabilities to reign in their sexual desires, but if they are healthy heterosexuals, then they have a primal built-in craving for sex that cannot be denied. Those who voluntarily or involuntarily try to deny themselves this biological truth end up mentally and sometimes socially fucked up, like homicidal incels or pedo clergymen.

Just as AWALT, AMALT as well. Our base sexual strategy and motivations revolve around sticking our penises in wet holes as often as we can. A man is a lesser man if he lives simply for this base animalistic drive and not much else, however any man must fulfill such a physiological function if he is to live for great principles and accomplishments. Just like nobody would be able to think effectively and invent the next big thing without any sleep, without sex the mind and spirit will lack for focus and clarity. Sex is validation for us and is necessary for our mental well being. Just read Michael's story on the sidebar for more elaboration in to this very obvious premise. We need the endorphins, the expression and the sense of validation we get from sex just as we need food, sleep, and respite from the elements.

Sure a man can train himself to deny any of these needs, and force his actions regardless of having such needs fulfilled. This is the ultimate of disciplines. However one cannot deny the simple truth that to accept the lack of these needs, one is exposed to physiologically sub-optimal conditions. You may be able to live, but not well, and living well is a key base foundation upon which a man can build things beyond just himself and overcome the simplicity of just existing as another animal.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sure a man can train himself to deny any of these needs, and force his actions regardless of having such needs fulfilled. This is the ultimate of disciplines.

This is what I am talking about....

However one cannot deny the simple truth that to accept the lack of these needs, one is exposed to physiologically sub-optimal conditions.

And this is where I don't agree. A life without sexual release is not a life that is suddenly 'not well'. It can definitely be great and fulfilling. And the body does not need the releases. It will simply take care of the semen with nocturnal emissions and everything will continue working well.

I am not saying that having sex is unhealthy (it is healthy if not done too much), but i don't agree with the 'severity' of your claims.

[–]Ragnarrrrr points points [recovered]

Eating is required to live. Eating is not the meaning of life.

In fact, all of civilization can be viewed as a collective means of overriding our more base instincts. We still have the urge to procreate, but we override it with birth control pills and condoms.

[–]my_sfw_alias 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The point of my life is my mission. Pussy is not my mission, its just a fun activity. We are not in the stone age where the fate of humanity rides on your spawn.

[–]JacksOnJaxOff 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The difference is that as humans with goals and emotions, we can find a way to live a happier life by having procreation and sex not be our primary goal

[–]Myollinir 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least that's what our brains trick us in to :)

Can't fight against nature. It's constantly on the mind if only subconsciously...

But yeah I am appreciative that our brains are highly developed enough to where we can put more meaning into it rather than just banging when the necessity arises like animals...

[–]Elevate5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree. I am part of a church that frowns on MB. The beta's are all up in arms and mockingly say "the God of the universe must be a little prick if all he cares about is if I masterbate"

The reality is God's simply saying "conquer thself" just as you note.

[–]Coekize points points [recovered]

I totally disagree that Nofap is only for guys who have no libido or with a porn/masturbation addiction. Coming from someone who has neither of those things, and decided to try nofap, the benefits (for me at least) were fucking powerful. I think the problem with the nofap community is that they aim for an indefinite time period, which is when things start to get weird.

After not ejaculating for about 3-4 days, it feels like your body tries to compensate by unleashing your inner animal (probably just hormones), but for me it feels like a very noticeable increase in hunger for sex, which translates to a serious reduction in fucks given. Suddenly all girls start looking like pieces of meat, and your hunger for sex, starts to override a lot of the fears and timidness you might have had before. It feels like a lot of the TRP advice just starts to embody you naturally (You will seriously start to give way less fucks in social situations)

I'd be careful about dismissing nofap as just a bunch of crazies, I realize that there's a lot of wack people there but I think they're problem is just the time period they aim for. Try to aim for maximum 2 weeks without it. Splitting it up into a 2 week period, means you can feel the benefits without turning into some wacko who loses his mind. It might not be the same for everyone, but for me (and i'm sure it will for many others) i felt some seriously powerful changes in my body and mind, and I think we should be equally as careful about talking people out of nofap, when I know it has the potential to benefit a lot of people (just like it did me).

My personal broscience explanation is that your body will naturally try to compensate for the lack of sex your getting by altering your bodily chemistry to optimize your ability to get it. (which is what all this talk of nofap superpowers are). It's just about finding that right time period, where you can feel the benefits, but not too long that you get crazy with it (like the guys on nofap subreddit).

[–]psycrabbit 5 points6 points  (8 children)

I also think they suffer the same problem as here, trolls. And when people come into another sub to judge it they see the troll posts and write off the entire philosophy of the group.

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

I spent dozens of hours there. I read the studies. I read the arguments against the pseudoscience of some of the claims. Ultimately I chose to give No Fap a go, but I do it my own way because that community there has extremely flawed convictions and views.

The basic underlying idea of quitting porn and significantly limiting masturbation is an extremely powerful tool for personal growth. I love the satisfaction I get from the self-denial of fapping and the motivation it provides to slay is far beyond any other motivation I have personally found.

Now if I could just find a way to not sink to having ONS with fat women during slumps, I would say it's perfect.

As is, sometimes I ravage fat women. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]psycrabbit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As my old grangfather used to say, 'any port in a storm!' and I know what you mean, its a useful discipline and the motivation you get can be incredible!

[–]Kodes305 4 points5 points  (1 child)

sigh I have no problems with full figured women... however it's always the fatties that want me :( it's so discouraging at times. Like yeah I attract women, just not the ones I want .but when times are tough the big girls come through with fire Pussy most of the time

[–]mcr00sterdota 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nothing wrong with fucking fatties, if that is what you like then I say go for it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

most men don't like them, and the fact that alot of men do settle for fatties, just leads women to have the attitude they can look like whatever they want and still dick, which they can. in the ideal world all men would collectively ghost fat women from sex and relationships, teaching women to put some fucking effort in. i mean good luck being a man and slaying puss if you're not muscular.

slaying fatties is rewarding lazy women with dick. it should be avoided on principle.

[–]flashbang123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The basic underlying idea of quitting porn and significantly limiting masturbation is an extremely powerful tool for personal growth.

There are tremendous benefits to owning your will-power. Don't give in to instant gratification - whether it be porn + masterbation, sugar, skipping the gym, whatever...own your shit or your someone else will!

[–]weiguk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'd be careful about dismissing nofap as just a bunch of crazies,

I am not.

Because your described "not jerking it for 3-4 days" is not nofap. I don't want to know how much one jerked to come to that conclusion.

It is fucking normal. Once every 2 weeks, once every week, twice a week. All normal.

But when you talk to those crazies it's quite often "Before I found nofap I masturbated daily. Sometimes 2-3x a day". But hey, nofap with 30days+ is the solution to the problem. Jumping from one extreme to the other. Total lack of self control. "no X or all of X".

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (11 children)

This. There are very good reasons to avoid pornography and the effects of its constant dopamine rushes. Hardcore usage of pornography definitely can alter ("rewire") your brain in serious ways and can send you down a path of depression and confusion, even about your sexuality. Luckily, the reason most people don't have these issues is the same reason most people who drink alcohol aren't alcoholics.

People in here are far too quick to ignore the NoFap community and put their conviction down to them being feminists or blue-pilled or some other bullshit. All you need to do is check all the recent studies (2013+) of the effects of hardcore porn usage. As more time passes, more and more data is made available and more and more studies are conducted showing chronic porn usage is very, very unhealthy for you.

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

People in here are far too quick to ignore the NoFap community and put their conviction down to them being feminists or blue-pilled or some other bullshit.

The idea of quitting porn and limiting masturbation is sound.

The indoctrination of claiming cures for legit medical reasons, at the risk of possibly causing men with ED to have further complications is unethical.

The calls for celibacy, evangelism, and pedestalizing women are as blue pill as it gets.

[–]singlereadytomingle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that one should take the scientific studies with a grain of salt since the replication crisis in psychology and medicine are the highest in any other fields of study.

[–]IAMA_SeaOtter_AMA 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Yea I honestly have quit watching porn, I only have pictures of girls I've gotten with or have about gotten with. Nudes from sexting helps also, I screenshot in snapchat with no fucks given. Theres not a "regret" or embarrassed feeling after youre done and that's what I didn't like about watching porn. It was as if I just got done banging a fat chick or something lol. No more!

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

It was as if I just got done banging a fat chick or something lol

Hank Aaron once said "My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging."

Fat chicks may not be homeruns, but it's better to take a single and break a slump, than to strikeout looking.

Or maybe I'm simply justifying why I occasionally fuck fat women?

[–]IAMA_SeaOtter_AMA 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I've fucked fat women before that's why I'm expressing how I felt lol it's not something you brag about at least.

[–]This1sMyWorkAccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before my red pill days I was bedding fat chicks in between my 7's and 8's plates. I always felt like it was a dark time in my life because I wanted to get my nut and fat chicks were always open for business for me. I felt like it was kind of cheating because how easy they would come over and spread their legs.

[–]UniversalFapture 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be honest, i think some people just stop with the porn and chase after whatever it is they were into. For example, i've encountered a shemale porn fetish. But never have a made an attempt to get an escort.

Either you get over it, or you go try it out, and get over it. Or you like it and replace porn with the real thing? I don't know.

You like what you like

[–]Kalarian_Reborn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So am I supposed to just not watch porn when I masturbate? That's boring as fuck. I live with my girlfriend and we have sex a couple times a week, but I usually masturbate once a week too (with porn). Sex is like a gourmet steak dinner, but sometimes I just want a damn PB&J.

[–]This1sMyWorkAccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think what OP is getting at is distinguishing the difference between real sex is and porn sex.

[–]true_detective_sf points points [recovered]

Can you point me to these dopamine studies? Thanks.

[–]flashbang123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here you go. Scroll down to the dopamine release studies that compare porn to actual sex and drugs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

so..are you good if you just masturbate without watching porn for stimulation or are the deleterious effects still there?

[–]Taegire01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Conquer thyself and you will become unstoppable.

So I should stop smoking weed and playing video games?

[–]waffles492 95 points96 points  (15 children)

This post is solid. I'm not in a position where I can reliably get sex of any kind atm, so 1-2 times in a two week period feels healthy. You're right. Shit gets weird when you don't nut for two weeks or longer. I'm talking over sexualized dreams, unconsciously humping the bed while I'm asleep, waking up with throbbing erections, and once or twice, in extreme cases, I've nutted in my sleep. The libido benefits are real tho, I can remember plenty of times feeling real aggressive at work because I caught my hot coworker bending over.

[–]Mckallidon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude. I Nofapped for almost a month. I was blowing loads every night going into week 2. Boners all day. Weird fucking sex dreams.

[–]mdcrubengonza 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Nothing weird about having wet dreams. I'm on my 6th month of no fap and it gets better after 4 months. This doesn't count the times I get some action.

[–]johnsonsson 3 points4 points  (2 children)

after 4 months your body just gave up. "so. no sex for me then!", he thought and probably stopped producing testosterone and some other shit that fuels the male sexdrive. good luck honey!

[–]mdcrubengonza 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks sweetie, let me know if you want to fool around sometime ;)

[–]honeywall 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yea i dont thing it works this way...

[–]deforms 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Masturbation can become an addiction just like overeating, watching too much tv/gaming, scrolling social media. Nofap is merely the vein that deals with sexual aspects of addiction. Is masturbation bad for everyone? Probably not. But if you jack off (with or without porn) multiple times a day or whenever life gets tough, you might have a problem. That's what nofap is for.

[–]mlgwarrior420 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I discovered NoFap recently tbh, though I barely check out the subreddit itself.

Though I must say during my reading the sidebar and posts on here, I have had a less of a need to masturbate. Been focusing on other things.

In my high school years I used to masturbate to "help me fall asleep". Didn't help at all tbh, and I actually get better sleep if I don't masturbate.

If I'm up at 2am I usually smoke a bowl and fall asleep by 3am, though it's only 2 times a week.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But what about memes? Those can't be an addiction, right?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Recently left that community after it caused me to feel ashamed for fapping I was done

[–]Senior Contributorwhiskey_bearfist 12 points13 points  (0 children)

if you have any level of depression or motivation issues, quitting or drastically reducing porn, masturbation and video games is a major step you probably ought to take to rewire the reward center in your brain. you have likely crippled your motivation/libido if youre like most guys in this age range.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered]

I believe no fap is primarily inhabited by hard core autists.

[–]flatox 46 points47 points  (7 children)

I believe it is primarily inhabited by people who are lost in life and are unconciously looking for help to no avail.

[–]lodro points points [recovered]

I believe those two statements are not mutually exclusive.

[–]califriscon[🍰] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

If a chicken had lips, could it whistle?

[–]Officer_Dick_Johnson 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Is that why it crossed the road?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It crossed the road to avoid getting fucked by the spergs in nofap, horny bastards they are.

[–]archom 12 points13 points  (15 children)

I was a fu*** porn addict + masterbaiter so i accepted the nofap challenge. I didnt fap for 4 months and my libido was gone... I felt like a woman, I had absolute no desire for anything. But i learned from it and share the same idea like op now.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered]

If you don't masturbate or have sex your body will begin to shut down its sexual function. Just like you stop feeling hungry when you are starving.

[–]nofaprecommender 33 points34 points  (7 children)

Just to clarify for any readers, that's something you made up off the top of your head.

[–]BobbyDropTableUsers 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I hope you never face real starvation- 3+ days with no food. Actual starvation is like a fire inside you. It drives you to do whatever the fuck you need to do to survive, and you can't think about anything other than food- not even women.

That's why actual starving people either become junkies and numb themselves, or become shameless thieves. Homeless shelters are meant to placate this by giving the bare minimum to keep people from starving.

The exceptions to the rule usually become very successful with unstoppable motivation, like a shameless thief without the blatant stealing - Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Oprah Winfrey, JK Rowling, John Paul Dejoria...

[–]Fnaut3187 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I agree with you about NoFap. I am thankful for that sub since I found out about TRP there. During my NoFap days I fell for this girl who was barely a 4 and developed severe Oneites. This was due to the blue pill thoughts induced from NoFap. They do have some valid stuff though, like developing new healthy habits instead of wasting time in front of a screen. They advocate exercising and Lifting to use the excessive Testosterone by not fapping. One should be careful and only take what is useful from that sub.

[–]The_Good_Delusion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

NoFap is useful as a tool in some situation. For most people, though, it has become an ideology.

[–]fackdack 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I did this for a few months, and since have had much stronger erections during sex. I still masturbate but only to touch, not to porn.

There are benefits to not fapping, the practice gets a bad rep mostly because of the nofap sub. I understand why, honestly. So many posts like "I GOT A GIRL'S NUMBER TODAY!" or "A GIRL SMILED AT ME TODAY" with hundreds of upvotes on the front page. Sickening stuff.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Don't hate on them for trying to improve themselves and finally getting in the game, even if they are autistic bluepills. That's what led me here.

[–]1kenpachitz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, high five!

That's how I wound up here too! :D

[–]6000000_DOLLAR_DICK 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That place had once been a conduit to all sorts of redpills but now it is a guilt and denial circlejerk with bluepilled beta orbiters making excuses because they are too afraid to check themselves.

[–]Trumpler157 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I could not agree more. I found that community a while before I found this one, it eventually led me here. However, over the past two years it has deteriorated massively, as you say. I think it became to popular and to well known, and I see this community going the same way if we are not careful. I am glad that an emphasis is placed on well written and thought out posts in this community.

[–]mainer343 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is already deteriorating.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

FUCKING THANK YOU FOR THIS. I never understood not fapping for 90 days.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 10 points11 points  (4 children)

No fapping for 90 days the first time I ever did it cured my porn induced erectile dysfunction.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (8 children)

You're absolutely right that nofap is pathetic. Every single guy in there is a sperg.

People talking about "avoiding sexual urges until you are finally unplugged" which in the English language translates to "so you can't get any and you can't handle your porn addiction, gradually convert yourself into an asexual beta until you are invisible to women." They're pretty much accepting that they are unable to handle sexual hormones and power dynamics so they simply "give up."

The truth is that people say to do nofap until you have sex but if a guy's gotta nut he's gotta nut. Most of the guys in there can't get any like I said so it's a constant cycle of self-hating, basing your self-worth off of how long your streaks are.

And nofap in itself is a very interesting situation. You start feeling bad about yourself after nutting (which isn't normal) and in turn you jerk it almost more often or at least think about it more because it's your shot at getting a high. Nofap is simply an innefective system and I'm very happy I found trp

[–]I_eat_fish 9 points10 points  (1 child)

These people also don't consider the fact that it is healthy for you to cum. Your body is going to force it our one way or another. Wet dreams still happen if you aren't jerking it.

[–]helgisson 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely right. I understand cutting back on masturbating to clear your head once in a while, but swearing it off completely is weird and unhealthy. As is shaming yourself for it. It's just like the devoutly religious saying masturbation is a sin - different reasoning but the same cycle of shame and self loathing.

[–]_fappycamper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It helps. Lots of people feel the difference. (Aka get confidence to go out and try to get laid) That community also led me here.

[–]mill58 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Depends... a lot of people get addicted to porn. You can red stories about guys that have girlfriends and are married but they still fap to porn every single day.

Nofap is just to get rip of the porn addiction but you need to find the balance as in everything else. Of course fap to porn is the easy escape for incels and low SMV men that is why there is such a negative opinion of it.

I'm on day 38 of nofap and so far the extra amount of energy that I get is the best positive effect and the problems to sleep at 3 AM every single day is the worst negative effect. Also during the first 15 days you can get emotional for every single stupid thing just like a woman.

[–]helgisson 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Porn becomes a compulsion if you have other problems in your life such as stress and anxiety. But if you treat those other problems, the porn "addiction" will often be reduced or eliminated. Imo, porn is the symptom, not the disease.

[–]ScumbagPotato 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I personally quit porn but I do not deny that the market for human male to female intercourse is only going to increase. If society keeps going down this slope we've been on, there's no reason we can't expect to see extremely realistc VR porn and AI sex robots/dolls within the next 50 years. If we designed sex robots who were better at romantically pleasing us than real women could, what hope would they have of ever capturing us for marriage slavery, divorce rape, monkey branching ever again? The MGTOW community is going to grow and men will flock to these sex dolls until one day sex between real people is unheard of.

Of course, this might not happen but it very well could.

As far as NoFap goes they SOMETIMES try to preach "doing it for yourself" and "being the prize" but underneath those occasional attempts to slide real virtue into context comes the real narrative that "you should be ashamed of yourself for squandering your sexual/masculine energy. Do what you were designed to do and devote it to impressing women and building a bigger empire for our princesses to stand on." Ironically enough, that subreddit which has primarily a male audience, isn't all that empowering to men. Perhaps in the short term, but in the long term it will leave you right where you began: feminine approval-seeking and self-loathing. It's best to take everything there with a few grains of salt. Like you guys said, most of the people there are absolute losers that will probably never abandon bluepill slave-mentality. I visit their sometimes but am quickly disgusted by the pathetic rhetoric. It makes me wonder how I ever stood to read it's posts several times a day every day.

[–]DamnDirtyApe87 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I did the 3 month reboot thing and as a former porn/fap addict it worked for me. I found nofap before the rp, but I started after swallowing the pill. It was very hard but it worked for me.

I feel more energetic, less anxious, need less sleep and actually got a normal working libido again. I'm back to normal now so I jack off sometimes, but maybe once in 2 weeks if I'm not getting laid.

Try it if you were like me, sad and depressed.. fapping your frustration away and thus keeping you from feeling emotions. Alot of things seem really easy, after being blue balled for a month ;)

[–]stonepimpletilists points points [recovered]

My favourite part of nofap, I've yet to see someone suggest replacing it with regular sex with a woman.

That's telling

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

I NEVER shy away from sex, blow jobs, hand jobs, etc. Every time I nut I write the date of the nut and the date 15 days away and start over.

I've sworn off relationships, I only plate or ONS. I don't even FWB anymore since most women can't do that without fucking things up. In my experience, self-denial can be a powerful motivator to slay.

 

A word of caution though, sometimes I slay fat women.

I suppose these things happen.

[–]stonepimpletilists points points [recovered]

be careful, this sounds awfully close to 'spreadsheet man'

look him up if you must, it's a funny read. Opposite of skittles man

[–]perplexedm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That sub is agenda based, lot of publicity from fem oriented subs. It will make lunatics out of already frustrated men without any proper guidance. And increase their chance for prostrate cancer.

Mentioned it here earlier only to get down voted because somebody was advocating nofap here.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I feel like you're missing the mark midway through. Trashing on guys who are ashamed at the porn they have to watch to get off because porn has ravaged their pleasure-receptors to where they need to seek out more novel and extreme material isn't really fair.

Obviously it's sad, and it's a sad state to find themselves in.

But saying "lol, you may be gai brah," not sure that's an accurate read of the situation.

[–]human_bean_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If the goal is to satisfy all your sexual needs with women, and porn stands in your way to achieve that goal, then the choice is obvious.

When I haven't fapped for a week, going out and hitting on women suddenly holds a completely different kind of an appeal to me.

[–]stoutdevildawg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I subscribed to no fap for a while but it's mostly a bunch of beta males that got addicted to porn and have very serious addictions. Obviously porn is bad but that community is a bit toxic.

[–]pridebrah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Personally I find 7 days to be the limit before shit gets weird. I have zero ED problems but can actually induce them by not getting off for 7-10 days. No idea how guys go months.

[–]bagmome points points [recovered]

Link to the 30 day study? Sounds like more BuzzFeed bullshit to encourage jerking off. Sure some of the people over at NoFap are over-zealous autists but there a lot of those folks here as well.

Masturbation apologists are just as bad as video game apologists.

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

Summary of study

I'll find the full study, I've read it before, and post as an edit at the bottom of the OP article.

[–]southernmost 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yeah, its a giant conspiracy by every qualified urologist (I'm talking actual medical doctors, not Dr. Phils) I've ever seen in my 43 years of life. That's definitely what it is. Not from actual medical knowledge that regular ejaculations are absolutely necessary for prostate health.

[–]ROFLME points points [recovered]

I don't see how doing productive things in place of masturbation and video games is a bad thing

[–]exodeadh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, it is called weasel words. Many people say that the earth is flat. A study found that if you inject one marijuana you die. Show us the damn study, OP.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

1 study on 1 subject is not a coherent theory. Within a theory of health, you can do a study to validate something that is part of a larger theoretical construct. That is how science works. We know that health has cyclical processes. I.e to get jacked, you need to work out which makes you tired and breaks down your muscle. If you want a strong immune system, you have to be subjected to some bacteria. Same with ejaculating and testosterone. After you cum, there is a drop off in testosterone which signals to the body to produce more. I'd be interested to see the study too, but a general knowledge of health should tell you it is quite intuitive that 0 sexual activity would decrease long term sexual hormones.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this. I was a little worried about TRP becoming a secondary Nofap supporter with all of the publicity that last post got. These are two separate missions and should not be confused for one another.

[–]Eternasphere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So far, after much modifying and figuring things out, I have a good routine.

I jerk as infrequently as possible. Around day 4 or 5, it's hard to sleep, and so I'll jerked it without porn. And I'll try to cum more than once in the same session, which is much easier with the build up. This helps train my body for intercourse, as opposed to coming ASAP and shutting down like how porn conditions me to.

I also had to ween off of porn the first little while. And those once-per-week or less porn sessions were amazing. It was like I was 13 years old again. I realized how much more I could get out of sexuality by abstaining from porn, so I finally stopped altogether.

[–]Zawiar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here's a short list of what you'll encounter over there:

Sad circle jerks of social justice blue pillers using their own tears for lubrication.

Feminists.

Evangelists.

Socially awkward, self-loathing fapstronauts engaging in female pedestalization.

When someone mentions their "strange porn fetishes" you should know going in that what they consider "strange"

and what you consider "strange" are going to vary widely.

This is so true omg. I do NoFap as well but I left the community because this was more of a mangina-group than a self-improvement group. Many of them doing it of girls, what I assume as wrong (instead of filling their inner void with life, they fill their inner void with girls). I also thought about making a NoFap subreddit only for red-pilled/MGTOW men. I personally think that by doing porn and/or masturbation you are subconsciously conditioning yourself in thinking of women as "magical and beautiful creatures" which you subconsciously associate with pleasure. This is contraprodictive when being a MGTOW/red-piller. Okay, maybe some guys are tough enough to not let them be influenced but obviously there can be guys who are negatively affected by PMO.

[–]Tre_Walker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm no expert on nofap. I only relate to this part:

There was a study done on testosterone levels of men who were diagnosed with ED prior to the study that showed their testosterone levels plummeted after 30 days of abstinence and further complicated their erectile issues

This is what happens to me. If I nosex or nofap I lose interest in sex. When I start up again my sex drive is normal. I am a "use it or lose it". I enjoy my sex drive use pron fairly frequently probably over 50% of the time I fap. Its sure not necessary though.

I am curious about nofap though and wonder if I did say weeks or months how it would affect me. But after a few days or a week. I just lose most of my interest and focus on other things.

How would nofap benefit me?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Two weeks thats a fuxking drought.

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think the biggest issue with porn, masturbating, gaming, drinking or any other addiction you can think of has to do with people doing those things when they have nothing else to do.

My brother drinks alot because that's what takes up his time. When I masturbated it was because I was bored as shit (not horny). When I used to play video games, it was because I was bored as shit. Sitting home doing nothing.

This can be said about any activity. Wanna know why women are obsessed with social media and taking selfies? Because they are at home bored as shit.

As a teenager and in college, I watched porn here and there, played video games here and there, but it never became an addiction because due to my schedule I barely had time to get do any of those things.

Now most of us are in our mid twenties to early thirties with no kids. You go to work, gym and drink on weekends. That gives you a lot of fucking time to masturbate, play video games, drink at bars during the week, smoke weed, sit on your ass playing social media, surf reddit or Internet, ect...

That's the problem. I literally cut video games out my life a few years ago because I truly stopped enjoying them and only played them when I had nothing else to do. Whatever addiction you have, I truly believe it's due to you having nothing going on.

[–]Mantido 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So now how do you fill all that free time? I have realised that this was the problem for myself as well but i just couldnt do productive stuff on my free time all the time.I mean if i have 2 hours to spare and i am tired i cant just read a novel for 1 hour and then 1 hour play guitar this would be too tiring

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good question and I would have had an answer for you in my post if I knew a way.

I just think now things are so much different than they were 40 or even 20 years ago. We can complete task very quickly thanks to the Internet, smartphones and availability of cars or transportation.

Also keep in mind most of us here are in our young adult stages and don't have kids. So that's leaving us a lot of free time. Where we can say 40 years ago people were getting kids in their mid twenties.

With that said, I can't give you an answer. I do so much shit myself from kickball, Flag football, work, gym, grad school, reading, ect... I still have a lot of free time.

Best thing I can say is don't try and do one particular thing for too much to the point it becomes an addiction.

That's easier said than done, but that comes back to my first point; I really believe this is a huge problem in modern society.

[–]Wiws 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I definitely understand where you're coming from on this one. I do find that not masturbating helped me think more clearly and be able to function at a higher capacity. Especially when it comes to motivation and energy.

I DO THINK that a lot of people in the nofap reddit are kind of circlejerking and patting each other's backs a bit too much and how that could be detrimental to them growing as a person. A lot of them really need to build personal character and be themself.

All in all though; Masturbation is healthy. Overdoing it to relieve stress 3 times a day is not.

[–]RedPillersareCucks 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Jesus. Two weeks without sex? You need motivation to get pussy?

I haven't gone more than three days without sex in a year. I still fap on my off days- erections are still rock hard, and I can still got three times a night. I might just have an abnormal sex drive, though.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

i think the "flatline" bullshit they go on about is a testosterone plummet. avoid all sexual stimulation for a month, and your T drops to pathetic levels. these guys claim that its part of some stupid "detox" from porn, which is nonsense because porn isn't a drug and doesn't change chemical levels in the body, so why would there be a "withdrawal" period?

then it becomes self fulfilling for them because they believe they are addicted, since they go through horrible flat lines with every 30 day "streak", not realizing they are just fucking their T levels. i mean seriously, if you don't get any pussy for 2 weeks, just have a quick jerk, who gives a fuck.

the only thing i have against porn is that real pussy is better, and every mans goal should be so much sex, so often, that he never needs porn. porn is a distraction from that goal because it rewards you for being a lazy shit sitting at your computer, seeing 10/10 girls get fucked by other dudes. over time you start just wanting to wank instead of going out "hunting", which is pathetic. thats the only reason to give up porn.

[–]afkb39sdfb 5 points6 points  (5 children)

My opinion on nofap,

Most things are fine in moderation.

Wacking off 3-4 times a week for 10-15 minutes while looking at porn is OK

Wacking off 3-4 hours every day while looking at porn is not OK.

I get the strong impression the nofap crowd are porn/masturbation addicts in the second category. Much like alcoholics anonymous gets people to demonize booze as this bad thing, so does nofap with porn/masturbation. Porn or booze are not bad things, people blaming these things for their poor self control and poor self discipline to indulge in moderation is, to me anyway.

[–]TehJimmyy 4 points5 points  (4 children)

For me Wacking off 3-4 times a week for 10-15 minutes while looking at porn is OK is really bad. It affects me so much so i wouldnt agree.

Imo the best way is to masturbate every 15 days without porn

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree on the every 15 days part

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Without porn should someone just fantasize in their thoughts?

[–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Doesnt matter in my opinion . As you long you abstain from porn

[–]wtf793 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think a "reboot" is required if you're not addicted. Porn addiction is a serious problem which leads to ED. I admit, they do demonise jerking off a bit too much, and some are very blue pilled. But some people have to abstain completely for a while so that their brains require. What's the point of being red pilled if your dick doesn't work. After recovery a few faps per week won't do any harm.

Those people got fetishes because they were desensitised to normal porn and they feel into that trap. They are porn induced fetishes, not innate fetishes.

If you're not addicted to porn, fap 3-4 times a week, with minimum porn usage. Not fapping forever, it's pointless if you're not addicted.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funny, but I find it much much harder to stop masturbating, than to quit porn, which I have for years.

[–]EdmondDaunts 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I find it interesting that there is no mention of the Wank Bank. You know that part of your memory/imagination where you can revisit old lays and maybe mix in a few ideas.

If you've banged a lot of girls then you already have quite an impressive collection.

[–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most people like me at Nofap are virgins or buddies who never get laid often. So its not fancy

[–]yumyumgivemesome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For many of the same reasons you identified, I recently switched from No Fap to Porn Free. I find the latter (porn) to be a bigger deterrent to developing more robust seduction skills. Even with that, I personally do not plan to abstain from it completely. Why? Because there is always something to be learned so long as it is in a thoughtful and controlled manner. For example, there is a confidence and smoothness that you will often notice in the male stars. Seeing that every now and then provides a tangible image to mimic in the bedroom for those times when my mind and dick may not be on the same page. There are plenty of other reasons to watch porn from time to time, but the key is not to delude yourself by watching it multiple times a week while lying to yourself that it's merely for the sake of research. My personal goal is to watch less than once a month.

[–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly this is why lifting is advocated on this site. If you're busy trying to hone your body to the fullest and train to bench over 300lbs while having a 400lbs Deadlift max rep you literally can't afford to bust meaningless nuts to porn or imaginary women. The reason why porn is so pervasive is because men are conditioned to lack ambition. Instead of directing energy towards their goals they spray that energy in their sock holes watching pixellated bits. I've been there years ago and I'll rot in hell before I ever return to those loser habits.

[–]kaane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Different strokes for different folks!

I agree that most people you find on /nofap are young incels who are raised by their mobile phones, and fap more than 3 times a day.

For that kind of people, yes I can see the "huge" benefits.

If you eat clean, exercise, and have a healthy social life, you inherently should not have a porn addiction.

I started to reboot this november, and continued for 2 whole months. At the end of this period, I realised that my testosterone levels were got higher, so the stress started to build up. It is a good and a bad feeling at the same time. And than it hit me like a lightbulb. I cleared my mind from porn abuse, but this time I got addicted to the highs of testosterone.

In life everything should be done in moderation. This is what I got from this "experiment"..

But I will continue for a months or two months of streak this january and february. Why ? Because I am not sure I got completely cleared my system from porn. But after then, I will get back to my 2-3 times in a month routine

[–]SW9876 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The No Fap sub represents the lowest of the low. These men are so weak that they cannot make it 3 days without fapping, yet they constantly talk about how inspired they are moving forward from their relapse.

[–]purplecabbage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in fact fapping releases dopamine as a reward response for not getting laid.

Wow, this point is so important!

in fact fapping releases dopamine as a reward response for not getting laid.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 

The first step for a porn addict (visual) is to switch to masturbation without any visual images.

In other words masturbate based on the sole need to release energy.

That at least gets you dreaming of real world memories of women you meet.

How about that cute girl at the coffee shop?

Wank about her.

The sales clerk at the Mall?

Wank about her.

At least you are getting closer to real women.

Ideally you associated sexual reward (orgasm) with live flesh in a real life woman.

I'd add that once you have a girlfriend all porn starts to feel weird because you experience something entirely different with sex than you do with pixels.

 

[–]GnarlyBellyButton87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's interesting that you bring up the "indoctrination" thing because they do seem pretty cult-en over there, and their methods are aggressive, like you have an obligation to not fap, ever. I'll stick to the cult of myself and how my gains are my own and not someone else's, thanks.

[–]nightmancommeth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I ve been following this plan for a solid 2 years now. I always tell people to give up porn. I have had a steady source of sex for quite a while now so I havent fapped in forever.

"I break it on day 15 and just brutally punish my nuts for 24 hours and then start over."

Had me actually laughing out loud.

[–]2comment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i like the ideas, hate the subreddits dedicated to it.

[–]Wolffy93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Struggled with this for quite a while. I despise "New Years Resolutions" but for lack of a better way to put it, made the commitment to eventually get to 2 weeks intervals.

My Sex Life is dryer than the God Damn Tatioone mesa. If I could joke about it... I would. Before that, LDR( I know, I know ) for 3 years with frequent infrequent visits. Still, Sex Life was dryer than the God Damn Tatioone mesa.

No action at all which is why I have the goal of 2 weeks intervals. Not at a point in my life whereas I am proud enough in myself to really chase women.

Solid Post though

[–]Snxwe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Gotta fap once in a while. Bad choices are made when horny...

[–]11-Eleven-11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm on 62 days of Nofap and the subreddit gets sadder and sadder every time I go on there. Nofap is great imo but the subreddit is pathetic.

[–]Alpacash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a good stepping stone for bluepillers. Quitting porn and having sex with actual women is a great way of starting your self improvement journey.

[–]honeywall 1 point2 points  (4 children)

So, the thing that there are a LOT of weirdos and the type of people you mentioned on NoFap is completely true.

But there are some guys (like me) who enter this no masturbation thing (and no porn of couse) to start a reboot. We know that Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction is an issue. Gary Wilson from YourBrainOnPorn clearly says that the site is far away from being a no-masturbation site, but abstaining from porn and masturbation altogether seems necessary for the recovery of some people.

I myself saw more improvements on PIED when I abstained entirely from PMO (never denying any real sexual experience) than abstaining only from porn.

I will reach my 120 days (im on day 79) of no PMO because I think its the time needed for a complete reboot, then I will masturbate like every 2 or 3 weeks, as I dont think refraining completely from masturbation is healthy for my performance and sex life.

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

I dont think refraining completely from masturbation is healthy for my performance and sex life.

You sound like one of the reasonable fapstronauts. Good for you for keeping an open mind about what sounds reasonable and healthy.

I think the more extreme fapstronauts over there turn a lot of reasonable people off to the concept of reducing porn consumption. It's hard to objectively consider a concept when some of the people describing that concept are also making statements that average people find cringeworthy.

[–]honeywall 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yea, if you see the top thread there right now is from a guy who isn't fapping and is on an streak of 1000 days, then some guy in the comments goes and asks him "did you get laid in this period?" then the guy responds: "Not even once"

Im laughing

[–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I don't think the Nofappers realize that not every straight guy winds up wanking it to tranny hooker porn all day to avoid suicide

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

I saw someone post something about a public restroom being a trigger and I assumed it was something to do with glory holes or something like that. Nope, some (apparently) popular scat video series is filmed exclusively in public restrooms.

Fucking wow mate.

[–]Mckallidon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There are so many good reasons to never use a public bathroom lol

[–]Clockwrrk22 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've always wondered how come porn is bad for you but having real sex isn't? If i watch a point of view video of a girl riding my dick, isn't that pretty much the same thing I would be looking at if it was really happening to me?

My best would be that its because you tend to watch porn much longer than an average real life session. Constantly changing videos.

Can anyone answer this for me?

[–]NoFapShare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with this 100%. Longest I've gone is a little over a month. Shit gets real weird.

I honestly think changing beta behaviors worked way better than nofap ever did.

[–]TRIICT 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I fap every night before I go to sleep(If I just close my eyes post-nut usually I fall asleep almost instantly haha) but I dont use porn and I use a light grip with lots of lube,quality nuts nearly every time.

Whole lotta super-beta-autismo in the No fap sub-culture tbh.

[–]metalhead4 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Dude I probably have to watch and wank every other day.

But tonight I fucked an HB9 for almost two hours. Mind you this was a girl I met online and we went on like 3 dates and the third she was at my house and I tried to f close but she gave me LMR and wouldn't let me in them panties. I ended up telling her I liked her and basically some beta stuff via text which I hated but she's the hottest woman I've ever been with. Big mistake I thought at least. She doesn't want a relationship and since she didn't fuck me that night I figured all was lost.

We ended up on kind of shitty terms for a few days. But I turned the texts around to kind of careless and flirty. She ends up messaging me after a few days saying when she doesn't want to hookup with randoms and wants to fuck me when she feels like it. I hadn't even fucked her yet, just went on some fun dates and she slept over once.

Tonight i ended up pulling her hair, choking her a bit, pinning her arms down, telling her to suck my dick basically just fuck the shit out of her. She loved every second of it and did exactly as I told her. Roll over. Do this do that.

I made mistakes but in the end it worked out for at least tonight.

If there's one good thing about porn it's the ability to desensitize a bit and learn some tricks.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 3 points4 points  (2 children)

"I can't run game on girls, so I'm going to blame my porn and masturbation habits. Then, when nothing changes (i.e I still don't take personal action with women), I'll say it worked because at least I feel better about myself!" -NoFap BP Bobby

[–]Officer_Dick_Johnson 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Trp is no exception, though. Here people blame chicks being to much of a slut, oh and constant lamenting about the "good ole days" to come back.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It all leads back to your own psychology on things. We can't escape it. We can come up with all sorts of new age BS names and concepts, but we're essentially all fighting ourselves for arbitrary reasons.

Figure out the reasons, and change them.

[–]maxrp points points [recovered]

The one good thing about porn is you don't waste time pointlessly chasing girls who wont put out.

[–]Tamazin_ 2 points3 points  (5 children)

and the money that comes with going out, treating them to drinks/dinner and whatnot ;)

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

Ask a woman to coffee. Order second. When she gets to the register, hold her gaze and smile flirtatiously but don't speak. You will get a deer in the headlights look from her. Is he going to buy my coffee? If she asks the question aloud, retort with "Are you going to buy mine?" and continue the smile and flirtatious gaze. If she doesn't ask, she'll buy her own. Once a woman tried to buy mine after 20+ seconds of awkwardness, I said "thanks but I'll buy my own, I'll let you buy me a jet ski if you want though." Some women will just buy their own without a second thought, after all it's just a cup of coffee. I've never met one of those women.

After taking this approach I have come to the conclusion, every single woman is willing to buy her own coffee. In my experience, it does not adversely affect your chances of banging her.

Chivalry is a shit test.

[–]Tamazin_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm well aware of that and i rarely buy (unless i personaly want to) and actually i rarely even have to (most of the time is "i'll grab next round" or the likes). But living in sweden id' assume the women here are more "i'm a strong woman, i buy my own beer!" mentality compared to other countries. that might be wrong though. And at clubs there are still gazillion cheap women just standing around the bar waiting for someone to buy them a few drinks so they can go home with chad later on.

[–]RedPillandNoFap points points [recovered]

the women here are more "i'm a strong woman, i buy my own beer!" mentality compared to other countries.

Definitely not like that in US

And at clubs there are still gazillion cheap women just standing around the bar waiting for someone to buy them a few drinks so they can go home with chad later on.

Exactly the same here. Be a Chad.

[–]Tamazin_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely not like that in US

I assumed as much hence my comment about "Women expecting the guy to buy the drink/dinner".

Exactly the same here. Be a Chad.

I'm chading along pretty fine! :D

[–]Party_Olive 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yes, it's easy for you to dismiss the value of NoFap if you are able to masturbate and stay away from porn. Right now I'm a recovering addict to porn and find myself drawn back to watching porn if I masturbate. So it makes sense for me to try and "reboot" and rewire my brain to not be dependent on pixel-induced dopamine rushes.

Your criticisms of the subreddit are mostly correct and many of the users are pathetic and blue pill as fuck. At the same time, there is some value in trying to eliminate an addiction, which to me, is just as bad as alcoholism and gaming, because it can be such a time and energy sink.

[–]maxpge 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The time and energy sink is what I experienced to a larger extent. I would spend hours looking for the right porn to watch and thereby lose precious time I could use otherwise.

[–]Party_Olive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. When you get addicted to porn, you end up developing specific tastes and so waste more and more time looking for new material. As I said, if I were able to masturbate without being drawn back to porn, I would. My goal is to try and rid myself of the addiction.

This is a concept described by Dr. Glover in No More Mr. Nice Guy - he calls it healthy masturbation. No porn, no fantasizing, be mindful of your own sensations.

[–]sirlancer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ah man I geeked reading the "why do I no fap" paragraph not gonna lie.

[–]Nikelu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is a picture of my gf considered porn? Even a sfw one

[–]richblackman74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't take porn and masturbation addiction lightly even the act of masturbating without porn can be addictive people get hurt over shit like this (especially men) so I wouldn't shit on nofappers so eagerly addiction breaking takes tremendous strength and dedication like flashbang123 said self control is a virtue this is coming from a former porn and masturbation addict this is hard to quit

[–]fromdario 0 points1 point  (3 children)

"There was a study done on testosterone levels of men who were diagnosed with ED prior to the study that showed their testosterone levels plummeted after 30 days of abstinence and further complicated their erectile issues."

  • Anybody got a link to the study?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A community based on a habit most of the people inside should be over with is clearly blue. The only good thing is something everyone does so it's universal, elseway we could open a nodoritos sub for those brave survivors that made it out (to stay there indefinitely to help other desperate souls etc, thinking about doritos anyway).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tbh nofap just makes me insanely fixated on getting laid, which is both good and bad. if I happen to have FWBs to release myself onto it's good, but if im in a dry spell shit gets rough, I can't focus on anything without thinking about pussy

I still do it however. I hate the brainfog and laziness that I get from fapping. Plus when I fap I tend to keep fapping, so I'd rather just cut it out completely

[–]worktillyouburk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for the post, what if you feel the only way to sleep is to come twice porn or not? like ill use it because its easier.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i am trying to break this nasty cycle by fucking pros. My boner gets better every time I fuck, so it is working. for example, 3 days ago I went to a brothel, my boner was 75%, the next day, it was 100%.

[–]PissedPajamas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The real problem that No Fap addresses is pornography. You've conditioned your body to only get off to porn, and your mind wanders to naked scenes and images whenever you're getting off. There cannot be a connection between masturbation and pornography, you should be able to jack it with a blank mind. Orgasm is fine and healthy, there's a cascade of hormone released and hindered during sex to make it pleasureable experience, but porn presents a massive dopamine and noradrenaline spike in your body, soon you'll only get off to images that go past your prior dopamine spike. Your highs will stay high but your lows get lower, hence why motivation is busted if you have a porn addiction and why addicts live for the next hit. Porn is a drug, avoid it.

[–]Kn1ght0 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So can I watch porn without fapping? my snapchat/instagram is just full of porn would that need to be deleted?

[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ideally we shouldn't be idolizing women, most followings of instagram and FB etc are built around the pedestal

[–]Expectations1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im just generally a happier person when not watching porn, enough said. Not so sure about fapping in moderation tho.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave up porn and became a superman. Now I could fly.

No fap fucking works!

[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have personally went through dropping porn cold-turkey and cutting masturbation by 90% (no fap to start)

I also know a few guys that have also done it.

In the end we were all happy we did it. Initially your dick might not work or might not work well for a while for real sex.

I had four regular partners at the time and I told them what I was going to do before hand and that it would most likely effect performance. Two younger women got it as they had both stopped unhealthy porn addiction themselves, the two older ones understood basic addiction and brain chemistry so they got it also.

all were supportive and none cared at all that my dick was difficult to get hard for a while. Within a month I was seeing results. I never stopped actual sex, just porn and masturbation. So not the kind of "hard reboot" many talk about.

I've fallen off the wagon more than once but I can honestly say I do both less than 10% what I did prior, and I'm much happier for it.

rewiring to real physical stimulation from a women and to real life visuals isn't easy but its the way to should be. The sooner a person quits porn the better.

Watching people have sex while imagining its you and masturbating to it, is the definition of a sexual cuckold, everything about your chemistry will start to adapt to that.

Alphas fuck, betas sit and fap and watch alphas fuck; its really that simple

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