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MetaRed Pill truths that "Red Pillers" don't want to swallow. (self.TheRedPill)

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A lot of people here claim that they are Red Pilled but still somehow subscribe to the most Blue Pill fantasies, thinking themselves to be different. Harsh truths are harsh. If you are debating these then you are in denial imo.

  1. You are not special. This one is a core principle. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking you're the main character in some big movie because all you see is your own point of view. You aren't.

  2. Looks matter. Height. Race. Every single physical factor is important when it comes to attraction. It sucks, but it really will boil down to genetics sometimes. Oh and confidence won't get you everywhere. Sorry.

  3. Shit tests don't ever actually end, ever. Some guys here think that they will "become" this Alpha, find an LTR, and live happily ever after. She will continue to test you until her options of branch swinging are depleted, i.e. extreme age.

  4. Having kids won't end well. The guys who debate this are the ones who really don't get #1. As far as America goes, most of the women are not wife material and by extension, not mother material. I can't speak on foreigners.

  5. You think you can trust the judgment of the mob. I see so many guys on here following what the tabloids are saying. Liberal this. Conservative that. The world is a complicated and grey place. Don't pick sides, just make sure you win.

  6. Not enjoying the decline. When I first joined the Red Pill a year ago, I knew I fit right in because people here weren't trying to save the world. They were trying to find the most advantageous way to survive in the world that already exists. You will never save it. All nations fall, be lucky that you know how to capitalize on it before you go.

I have a few more but we'll leave it at this. This life wasn't supposed to be fair, or fun. That in itself is hard to swallow. There is this BP idea I see posted around reddit, saying TRP is a "buffet" and you can basically choose what you find to be true, and leave the rest. Don't buy into it. It is one single pill, and the kicker is you've already swallowed it, but you're just in denial.


[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 246 points247 points  (59 children)

Additional false thinking I see a lot round here:

n. Thinking you can out-run hypergamy and create a facsimile of loyalty by being more alpha, bro

n+1. Thinking you can live happily ever after with your chosen unicorn if you become alpha enough, bro

n+2. Thinking that 24 year old virgins will magically appear for you to live happily ever after with if you're just alpha enough, bro

n+3. Thinking you are immune from false rape charges by being like totally ripped and alpha enough, bro

[–]asotranq 68 points69 points  (12 children)

For me, the red pill seems to be a very divided community, and it's very easy for outsiders to attack it because of the points you wrote here. I came here for help with confidence and sociability and my god it's really helped me out, and generally just a gentle kick to remind myself to really carpe diem. I couldn't care less about this fantasy of being 'alpha enough' to attract tonnes of girls or any of that shit, and I feel anyone who sets out with these goals will very likely burn out quickly as these goals are really by-products of bigger goals, much the way muscle is the by-product of strength.

[–]se7enpsychopaths points points [recovered]

Take what you want, leave the rest. Is it better to die ignorant but happy or a wise old cynic ?

[–]dammit_redskins points points [recovered]

Well, you're dead, so does it really matter?

[–]asotranq 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just live to enjoy my life and try to be happy in whatever I'm doing. I don't really care too much about the future because there are just too many variables, 12 months ago I would never have thought I would seriously consider moving to China for work but now it's very much on the cards in the near future, so what's the point in anchoring yourself down with worries about the future outside of trying your best to advance your career, however you do that.

[–]Dunston47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The tricky thing about that is you have to know what to be ignorant of. Women are so essential to happiness. (or at least getting hug,kiss, etc one). What your neighbor, CEO of your favorite company,and the government are doing behind closed doors - even if its affecting you negatively-not so much. But heck yeah, this isn't the "Giver" and I'm not here to handle all kinds of rough truths.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname points points [recovered]

n+4 Thinking your mother, grandma, sister, cousin, daughter, isn't a whore or TRP somehow doesn't apply to them. It does. They all have rode the carousel before or will be riding it soon.

[–]lopsidedlucky 89 points90 points  (2 children)

The day this truly hit me was a rough one

[–]feminists_are_dumb 40 points41 points  (1 child)

My sister's not a whore. I'm certain of that.

I'm also certain she would be if dudes would actually be willing to fuck her. >_<

[–]ClydeR0 points points [recovered]

It's weird seeing this in your parents.

[–]Steber42 40 points41 points  (0 children)

It's weird seeing this in my daughters.

[–]IncelNoMore 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Heh, there are outliers, there always have been. My mom is exactly what you read about in The Rational Male Vol II. My sister though, who is particularly beautiful and smart, a true head turner, is totally a unicorn. I think it's because the first guy she ever slept with and went on to marry for 11 years is a natural Chad coupled with a very good person. He essentially embodies the duality of hypergamy in one person, which could explain why my sister has only known a single guy, never had a party phase and doesn't give a shit about other men. Plus they've been LDR for a few years and now live together. truly an outlier.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel the same way about my cousin. 25, virgin, PhD student in a STEM field, only had one boyfriend her entire life, probably a 6 and isn't socially retarded and is enjoyable to talk to. I honestly can barely believe she exists. She is not American however so this is probably the reason of the lack of cc

[–]wiseprogressivethink 20 points21 points  (21 children)

previous generations possibly excluded, because society was so different then.

[–]rigbed 55 points56 points  (19 children)

Nope, sorry. Looks and wealth probably played more of a role in which women were loose, but listen to old music. Women have never changed.

[–]inspiron3000 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Can confirm.

Grand mother rode the foreign CC in Paris in the 20s/30s.
Married blue pill grand father for the bux.

Mother rode the CC in the 50s/60s.
Married blue pill father for the bux.

Sisters rode the domestic and foreign CC in the 80s/90s.
("Went sailing with a female friend in the Whitsunday Islands...", "The beach in Gambia was nice", "Ilha Grande was beautiful...", etc.).
Married / trapped blue pills for the bux.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Wrap it up. Never get married.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 38 points39 points  (8 children)

their basic biology is the same. but their behaviors are different, because what was allowed/acceptable 60 years ago is so much different than in the current year.

[–]rigbed 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Correct, but it's fallacious to think the current atmosphere is everything. However it does explain a lot

[–]wiseprogressivethink 100 points101 points  (5 children)

Put it this way. For round numbers, let's go back 100 years.

They have no reliable birth control that anyone has easy access to (they don't have lamb skin condoms at CVS that they sold to teens in the 1910s).

They have no legal abortions, and illegal abortions are wildly unsafe.

Having a bastard child pretty much dooms a woman to permanent shame and poverty.

People are expected to be married by their early 20s, at the latest.

A man having relations with a woman on their wedding night who discovers she has a busted hymen and/or a chancre sore would be quite the scandal in the local community (and people moved around a lot less back then, so the "local community" was pretty much their whole world), and such a thing would likely lead to a quick annulment and her having to move far away.

So. Women, out of sheer fear of their social status and future outlook being utterly destroyed, tended to stay virgins until marriage. And marriage was for life (no no-fault divorce). And women stayed home and raised their children and pounded these same values into their offspring (and there was no degenerate TV to offer an alternative lifestyle option).

So. Women have always been women. But there used to be a "governor" on their behavior. But that governor is now gone. And absent said governor, the entire social contract has been fundamentally altered. Hence, the decline in the West that we are all presently "enjoying."

[–]Ou-tis 24 points25 points  (3 children)

And slapping a wife after a too shit test was not a big deal.

[–]inspiron3000 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Like women didn't enjoy anal 100 years ago...

[–]inspiron3000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depends on where you lived 60s years ago.
Read any Henry Miller?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children)

My mom cucked her rich fiancee with my dad. My mom and dad met in high school. They went off to the same college (dad showed up later). Mom had met a millionaire and her and dad started banging again behind the guy's back. Mom later left the millionaire. At some point later in time the started having threesomes with other women. All the "Aunts" I had growing up were their girlfriends. Today whenever they say they are seeing a female friend, it's for a night of wild post 50 sex.

It's how it was so easy for me to see the point of getting a steady woman and then cheating on her with other women, then bringing the both of them to bed for a threesome.

Wife has started complaining we are only doing it two to three times a week (working 65+ hours a week, mostly from home), and brought up getting another woman from the BDSM dungeon near us.

Female nature rarely changes and flows in two general directions. Enjoys sex, doesn't enjoy sex. The smaller bits after that are trivial and tend to be annoying.

[–]rigbed 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Your wife is complaining you aren't having more threesomes? Well, I see what MRP is missing.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

It's more like, she's complaining we aren't having more awesome sex. And I'll admit, the 19 year old (who turned 20) who I was having an affair with really stoked my engine and made me feel young and virile again. So I was sexually amped up all day all the time. And my wife can always tell the difference. The only problem she has is when the other woman refuses to indulge her in threesomes because she sees it as a play for my singular attention and as a way of our relationship ending. I love my wife, and my lack of drive has more to do with my fiscal ambitions right now as well as my mental exhaustion at day's end. We still find time for affection but fifteen to twenty minutes of mega multiple O sex is not the same as our all night fuckathons plus me tying her up and getting freaky with clothespins, icecubes, and a hitachi wand (she doesn't mind anal for a single second [loves the orgasms she gets from it but hates the constipation that often results] when I use a hitachi wand on her clit with having taped a thick dildo up her pussy with her wrists and hands bound in mittens and handcuffs plus the always beloved blindfold).

Fucking my wife into compliance so I can continue cheating is a massive libido booster. Without the mistress my libido goes pretty normal but for my super happy days (go shooting; fuck like a god, win a case; fuck like a god, make lots of money; fuck like a god).

At least with the threesomes which happen maybe once a week at the most, she gets lots of mind breaking great fuck god sex that no other man on planet earth can deliver.

If you are going to fuck a woman, fuck her so good that she's ruined for all other men. Most of my exes find excuses to contact me and see how i'm doing. The 19 turned 20 year old still emails and calls me.

[–]dancingkungfy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This post made my average sex life look mega average now. This type of lifestyle is totally alien to me.

[–]choomguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the young guys might not get this one, but truly, there were consequences to being a slut in the past. And divorce laws have evolved horribly. So it all comes down to females have had accountability in the past to some degree, but that is largely no longer true.

[–]theONE843663 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I have a perfect mother. She married at 17 at virgin, she works, can cook much better than I can, and finds pleasure in cooking, cleaning, and other feminine shit and works in housekeeping. She's a unicorn and objectively a 6.5/10 at age 40 and 8.4/10 when she was young... But AWALT is always AWALT.

Needless to say, she was far from my father's first woman and my dad told her she was his first lmao. We're Nepalese so they've been married for 23 years now. My dad is 7 years older and is built like a brick shithouse. We lift together in the home gym I'm so lucky I have a sane traditional family. And I still can't beat him at arm wrestling...

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

"n. Thinking you can out-run hypergamy and create a facsimile of loyalty by being more alpha, bro"

This squared. The idea that you can live the blue pill lie by being alpha enough is the single biggest delusion in here. There is no happily ever after, humans are not monogamous and Chad gets cheated on. These fucking idiots who just proclaim "lift brah" thinking it is the holy grail drive me nuts.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Rollos "Mitch's purple pill"

[–]whythecynic 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Agreed. Here is what I take away from this all.

1: I'm not special, but neither will be 90% of the people I meet, so with some hard work and cunning planning I'll outrun them.

2: Looks and genetics matter, much more than people realize, so I'll use that to my benefit. If people aren't instinctively attracted to me, that means I'll have an easier time getting them out of my life.

3: Shit tests never end. No witty thing here. Like, never, literally. I've seen some poor sods get shit-tested from beyond the grave.

4: Never have kids, again nothing witty here. Quality-of-life drop aside... wait, that's all you need. I also think it's cruelty to bring a kid into this shitty world, but eh.

5: You need to know the judgement of the mob, though, so you stay on the right side of it.

6: "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fucking fine"

n++: Being alpha enough, bro, is a myth. You only ever are alpha enough for a given situation, so why put yourself in more situations that only could harm you?

[–]TRIICT 126 points127 points  (56 children)

Enjoying the Decline is big one.

The West is declining. All single men who have embraced the Red Pill should be freeing themselves of debt and staying as fit as possible as quickly as possible. Embrace the minimalist life and focus on doing the things you enjoy.

[–]hamsterenema 18 points19 points  (1 child)

All is lost. There is freedom in that. Watch it burn. And Fucking smile ☺

[–]Cptvolker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Once these fires go out we can get to building it back up again with some fire retardant.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 15 points16 points  (6 children)

 

Enjoy the Destruction

 

"Kill the Beta"... delete the Blue Pill.

There's something about actively doing something that is better than being passive even if being passive might give better feelz.

Fight the good fight... what else is there to do?

 

[–]sanzensekai 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Amen. What else, indeed. +1

[–]maniclurker 39 points40 points  (21 children)

The only TRP core principal I have a problem swallowing is AWALT. I get it. I use the term.

I just really don't want to think that all women really are like this. Always having to be wary is tiring.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname points points [recovered]

I like to think of it more like they all have the propensity to be 'like that', not that they literally are.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Yeah that's the whole meaning of it. I mean not every woman is some crazy, psycho bitch, but they definitely have the potential to be one. Same with their upbringing and all that.

[–]rigbed 25 points26 points  (1 child)

It goes further, you as a man literally dictate the way she behaves. Don't believe me? She'll tell everyone it's your fault if she does something. And it is

[–]_the_shape_ 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Always having to be wary is tiring.

The beauty of it is that once you fully accept AWALT, then that clears up all on its own.

Nothing surprises you any longer. You don't lose any more sleep. You can now fully commit to enhancing yourself unperturbed. Oh, and chicks begin to pick up on (and dig!) you're carefree, stoic and cool ways.

Solid deal if you ask me.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ points points [recovered]

Can attest to this. If AWALT is true, there is virtually no reason to give a fuck about a particular woman. You instantly feel less need to text back, commit, etc. Rejection, so what? Get cheated on, so what?

This is very helpfull for those people on here who are closeted pedestalizers, they simply use TRP like a "Tips & Tricks" to improve their pedestalizing game.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They have a name "purple pillers."

[–]Vladz0r 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I found that the book (or audiobook) The Way Of The Superior Man helped to describe the feminine behavior through metaphors to nature (like a storm) and to the chaotic mind. It also gives you a more spiritual perspective of the whole thing, so you don't try to rationalize why a woman will be satisfied for a year every day and then get upset and suddenly cheat. Or why women don't value your commitment or hard work. It's basically described as women constantly being "in the moment" with their emotions, and so their perception of reality is based on the interactions and way she's feeling at the moment. She'll get used to you giving her the good life and won't come to actively appreciate it while she's in touch with her feminine. In her masculine, she's capable of reasoning and rationalizing with you, but she can't be turned on from this rational perspective. Desire can't be negotiated.

The takeaway for me is that your connection with any women is going to flow like the wind, or like the weather, and you have to be in your masculine and elicit her feminine. A relationship based on sex is something to be aimed for, because it allows her to be in her feminine. You actually lower the stakes and increase the attraction when you stay in the moment with your masculine energy rather than trying to overly rationalize and force reactions from her. You'll be able to better understand the chaotic and fickle nature of the wind, the mind, and your woman, and be able to rest a little more easily.

It's a great audiobook that's been another step at swallowing the pill for me. It's still hard, because you probably want that fantasy commitment, or you want to hope that an LTR or marriage can just work out if we get her attracted and stay committed. I think you would actually need a more masculine woman and a more feminine man in order for a relationship to be maintained for conventional reasons, which is basically what happens in a lot of marriages. You get the commitment but the attraction from the heavy masculine vs. feminine polarity is gone.

So yeah, I liked this perspective because while it's still soulcrushing, it emphasizes the flow, the polarity, a new view of what male-female attraction should be for you (spontaneous, emotionally stimulating, in the moment rather than just overly rational), in order to actually have a strong relationship of any form - LTR, plates, etc. It also emphasizes having a life purpose and being creative.

Links are on here - https://www.forums.red/p/TheRedPill/3985/collection_of_some_trp_audio_books_and_pdfs

I also recommend Eckart Tolle's "The Power of Now." People here sometimes call it new-age, and anti-materialism and hedonism, but it helps to shatter the illusions of the mind, if you remember the one simple principle. It has some concepts like intentionally feeling into the pain of tasks that are inevitable, and relenting to the present (in order to achieve long-term goals.) He explains why relenting to the Now doesn't mean to just accept your current trajectory in life.

[–]Spartan1590 points points [recovered]

Read Illimitable Men's take on AWALT, tough to swallow but incredible, will quash your doubts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Here's the thing about AWALT: All women are wired to be a certain way. Society tries to repress that inclination. Traditional societies do a much better job, so you get a higher quality of woman. The west does a terrible job, so the AWALT comes out a lot more in the west.

But this red pill idea that all women are pieces of shit is just wrong. A lot of men grow up with strong values and treat men well. Like all women, they are WIRED to be shitty, but you can tutor that in people.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If awalt, then amalt. But trp talks about how you can change.

[–]hamsterenema 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This bothers me too. I try to remember that the problem is not the "way women are". It's our mental image of them. That's the lie. We are the problem.

They haven't changed. We have been selling ourselves a fairy tale. They are unchanged . We can trust them to be what they are.

I think it's normal to feel some sense of "loss" as you accept this. I certainly have.

But I see now. And I wouldn't trade that for anything.

[–]Kryptic_Knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not like you have to be wary of say, a murder or war. Its more like "Incoming shit test(s), be ready". I'm sure you've argued with your ex's/girlfriend. You're lending some credence to her, she wants to argue, they love the drama, and I'm sure you've said to yourself; "Damn that was stupid", countless times.

AWALT comes with levels, it doesn't mean shes going to fuck your best friend, it might mean she always wants to give shit tests, likes to argue, and is dramatic.

[–]MTYW points points [recovered]

  1. Having kids won't end well. The guys who debate this are the ones who really don't get #1. As far as America goes, most of the women are not wife material and by extension, not mother material. I can't speak on foreigners.

This is the hardest one for me to swallow. I'm at that age where children and family are meaningful for men my age (traditionally). I do believe trp, but I feel it's fighting biology and evolutionary forces that drive organic life.

I don't know, I just don't want to be 70, childless, with nothing begotten. Those lonely seniors in nursing homes are sad and very tragic to look at.

[–]bearslikeham points points [recovered]

There is almost no age limit for a man to have children. You can have them whenever you want.

I have an history for you since you mentioned nursing homes. There's this old guy (101) in the nursing home my grandma is currently living at. Well, this man is a pretty intelligent and wise person. He created and developed several products related to the chemical industry, and got rich by selling them in a massive scale. Really rich.

So, having accomplished almost everything in life he realized at the of 60 that once he died, his legacy (and genes) will be gone for ever. What did he do? He found a beautiful 25 year old and married her. 3 boys and 2 girls later she decided it was to much of a burden to have so many children around and disappeared after asking him a huge sum of money.

He raised them and gave them all of his fortune at the age of 90, the same day he voluntary decided to move to the nursing home given his extensive list of medical conditions and necessary treatments. His children have visited him every single day since then (yeah every single day without a miss for eleven years) and according to his own words those years have been the best of his entire life. Seeing them laugh, playing chess, being together, sharing meals have completely restored my faith in having children. Of course it's a risk, they can hate you for whatever reason, they can be taken away from you by an evil woman, etc but it's a risk I'm willing to take and will take.

Having children it's one (if not the) biggest urges a man can have. And denying it so you can play it safe and have a "cooler" life it's not a path I want to take and neither should any man that want to improve themselves (at least on my eyes).

[–]1empatheticapathetic 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Unfortunately most of us won't live that long. The average dying age where I live is 53 and I've had health issues my whole life. I ain't living to 90+ never mind not being senile past 70.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Where the fuck do you live?

[–]trippinallday 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was gonna say Nigeria as a joke, but 53's actually the life expectancy there.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 18 points19 points  (16 children)

Have a kid or two, and pay the almost inevitable toll (child support).

You pay for 18 years, but the returns are for eternity.

[–]rigbed 39 points40 points  (13 children)

Pay for surrogate mother and rotate babysitters. All these women can become or be plates, and only you are legally responsible for your child. No parent in laws, no conflicting ways of raising children. All child support goes to your child, and if you're shrewd it doesn't have to cost that much. If you eat like a bodybuilder your kids will have more than enough to eat.

[–]dpape39 31 points32 points  (4 children)

I don't think switching the mother figure in your kid's life constantly is good for its development. I think the best way to raise a kid is in a stable traditional family, but good luck achieving that today.

[–]patrice_plz_come_bac 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Yes rotating moms is insane

[–]rigbed 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I thought about this and I agree. You could make the mother the babysitter.

[–]1AmlanceJockey 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I can totally see a biased family court ruling that the surrogate mother who babysits her own kids has the same legal rights as a normal because vagina.

[–]rigbed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then let them take their kid back, replace her

[–]wiseprogressivethink 0 points1 point  (3 children)

this is actually really smart advice.

[–]rigbed 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Hijack top comment or make a post so that this sub can weigh the pros and cons of this idea

[–]LuvBeer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was seriously considering if I could make my ex a surrogate mother/be a "sperm donor" to limit my liability with the correct paperwork.

[–]OhhBarnacles 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Going through this right now at 20 years old. I was in a relationship with the mother for two headspun years and I'm left wondering what the fuck happened.. There's no nostalgia looking back or anything, I invested a lot of time in our relationship and it was all for nothing; I finally buckled down and accepted that she wasn't looking for anything more than a comfortable ride out of her daddy's house and I was her ticket.

I feel like an idiot man.
I just discovered the red pill and a lot of the advice on here has me convinced it was nothing but a con, e.g. gaslighting, complaining about easily fixable problems caused by her, belittling me and striking down my ego.

All I've been able to focus on now is college (I dropped out at 18, met her, tried being the blue collar provider, and eventually took the opportunity while she was visiting family to tell her she wasn't coming back to live with me and re-enrolled ASAP.) I've been feeling really lost lately and questioning if I'm just kidding myself and making things out to be worse than they actually were. Nah.

She did everything she could to draw out any type of "talks" we had to where nothing got resolved ever. It was a vicious cycle and the red pill is helping me remember that. I need some fucking help, I grew up without a father and nobody taught me shit got this real.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Women are skilled liars and manipulators. That's the reality. You're in a tough spot now, but just remember that you're a

FUCKING MAN

and that pretty much this entire world was built by

FUCKING MEN

and if you're in a bad place now, the only one who can improve it is you,

A FUCKING MAN.

So. Pay your child support. Love your kids (and show them you love them). And all the rest of the time, build yourself up to be

THE MAN

you want to be. And, eventually, the money you pay will seem like an investment in your future, while you, as a single man, get to spend the majority of your free time on whatever it is you want to spend it on.

The toughest part of this will be dealing with the mother of your children, who will naturally do everything in her power to add stress to your life. I don't have a ton of advice to give in this area. There are others who can, though. Seek out their advice - which is really just the wisdom they earned over many hard years of trial and error - and you'll be surprised at what insights they will happily provide to you for free.

Best of luck to you.

[–]vedanapatchayatanha 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Who do u think put them there in the first place?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The business world is not a meritocracy.

Fraudsters, deceivers and hype talkers are killing it while Billy Beta does "the right thing" and gets fucked left and right.

[–]dancingkungfy 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I have been on TRP for about 6 months now. It has been a tremendous resource in figuring out how to improve my life and dealing with women (my favorite).

Having said that, I believe that we can only be a strong as our weakest link, which means that as this sub continues to grow, we will see more and more mixed messages/posts on here.

I am always vigilant of garbage posts using my best judgement and I appreciate a post like this, which helps reset our minds and puts the focus right back where it should be.

[–]TheWorldToCome 9 points10 points  (4 children)

The only point I would add is that No one is immune from being cheated on. Even if you had an A game in TRP standards you can and probably will be cheated on eventually,especially nowadays. Women have countless offers and opportunities IRL and online that you need to keep an emotional distance from each girl you have in your life.

[–]TalesAbound 0 points1 point  (3 children)

you need to keep an emotional distance from each girl you have in your life.

This is a very difficult way to live every moment of one's life. Incredibly emotionally demanding, to always have that guard up.

[–]wildchives 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck, I have the opposite issue, I can never let my guard down even in the most intimate situations.

[–]ialdabaoth 26 points27 points  (4 children)

  1. You are not special. This one is a core principle. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking you're the main character in some big movie because all you see is your own point of view. You aren't.

1a. There will always be someone better than you. If you're in their way and they notice you, you're fucked.

1b. There will always be someone worse than you. If they're in your way and you notice them, and you decide to be merciful, do NOT assume that this will buy you any kind of reprieve from the next time 1a is relevant.

  1. Shit tests don't ever actually end, ever. Some guys here think that they will "become" this Alpha, find an LTR, and live happily ever after. She will continue to test you until her options of branch swinging are depleted, i.e. extreme age.

3a. No one owes you a break.

3b. If you decide to give someone else a break, don't expect this to affect 3a in the least.

  1. You think you can trust the judgment of the mob. I see so many guys on here following what the tabloids are saying. Liberal this. Conservative that. The world is a complicated and grey place. Don't pick sides, just make sure you win.

5a. You won't win. Not nearly often enough.

  1. Not enjoying the decline. When I first joined the Red Pill a year ago, I knew I fit right in because people here weren't trying to save the world. They were trying to find the most advantageous way to survive in the world that already exists. You will never save it. All nations fall, be lucky that you know how to capitalize on it before you go.

6a. Just because you know how to capitalize on it, doesn't mean you can't be destroyed by the system as it collapses. Never forget that it's bigger than you, and doesn't care about you.

[–]perfectd3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

>5a. You won't win. Not nearly often enough.

This improves resolve, and there's a lot of folks who are afraid of failure who don't see this. Either you give up after you lose, or see it as a reason to improve. Losing 9 times makes winning that 10th time feel so fucking great.

When you know you're no special snowflake, failures become valuable. If you analyze your mistakes, your experience from losing grows your ability to deal with similar conflict in the future.

Everyday, "remarkable" people still provide plenty of proof for this concept. There's this recording of an international public-speaking contest winner, who was giving a speech on, 'How to be Great at Giving Speeches.' He shared that he didn't practice for decades to become the winner of this contest, but that it wasn't like he was just born to do it. He was a Lawyer who desired to better his communication skills for the courtroom, and ran into the program as a method for self improvement. Making his way to the international contest, he would run into successful people from all walks of life, who would lose these competitions but say, 'There was nothing wrong with my speech, the people that presented this year just got through to the judges. I'll just polish it and try again next year.'

Those folks lived in an echo chamber before hitting the international stage. They've been told that it was a flawless speech by everyone back home, lived off validation, and had never lost. It can't be their fault, which is why they'll never be more than second best. They're not challenging their own perception of success and what is the best to try and go beyond that. By always challenging your perception of what is your best, you seek to improve it. By visualizing your success, failing, adapting and improving for every conflict and reflecting on conflicts you worry less and less. What was a struggle before is now vastly insignificant.

TL;DR 'Mans reach should exceed his grasp' and 'Don't wish it was easier, wish you were better.' In more words.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The most important quality a man can possess is grit.

[–]questionac 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Maybe people accept some things harder because people don't explain them as good as others, and there is less quality material for it.

When you see an issue raised over and over and over again, it's either because it's hard to find in sidebar, not explained in a satisfying way in sidebar, or people responding are not giving solid answers.

Maybe the sidebar needs an update.

[–]LuvBeer 7 points8 points  (5 children)

She will continue to test you until her options of branch swinging are depleted, i.e. extreme age.

Was in the street for New Year's with my gf. Had some fireworks to set off. Started off with roman candles, fountains and moved on to rockets. I got mid range rockets so not professional quality but not cheap either. An Italian grandma, had to be in her 80s, who was near us enjoying the street celebration watches me set off a few rockets and says "is that all you got?" in a mocking way. Shit tests are for life.

[–]patrice_plz_come_bac 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Get back inside your coffin old hag!"

[–]OmegaMan2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Looks matter!!!! - Absolutely true

Hit the weights boys as if your life depended on it.

Being fat and chubby or skinny is always a negative. Average looking dudes can up their game a lot by getting ripped. You also need to learn how to dress well.

I can't emphasize this enough.

[–]2johnnight 4 points5 points  (0 children)

#4 & #6 If you don't have kids, you don't actually 'survive'.

[–]bestmaleperformance 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'd agree with everything but not having kids. Having kids was the best thing that ever happened to me, you pick the best candidate possible to be a mother as well as good genetics.

The rest is about the kids, not the woman. I'm sure there are plenty of guys that should never have kids, but I'm also sure plenty of guys think they don't want kids, but really it would drastically improve their lives to love something that much and be loved in such a true and pure way.

Certainly not until you are majorly financial stable and can find a great partner even if for the short term, however having a child can be the greatest experience of your life and an excuse to live an amazing life of travel and experiences while you shape your child and teach them how to flourish in the world.

If you want to be a loner that's great, but telling all men something you know nothing about is blue pill shit. If you don't have kids, don't talk about it, if you do and you hate it, go ahead, like I said, I'm sure some guys are way better off not reproducing.

For others, stable strong men who have that extra love to give, having a little son or daughter can be the greatest gift to yourself, to each is own, but don't speak in absolutes you can't back up with experience.

[–]TomFoo 28 points29 points  (0 children)

If you're downvoting this, you shouldn't be here. This should be stickied for a week.

[–]mcr00sterdota 11 points12 points  (8 children)

On point 4 don't ever get married or have kids with an Australian woman. Don't know why so many muricans think Aussie chicks are hot.

[–]ovrload 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Aussie chicks gotta be up there as one of the most entitled country of sluts in the world.

im aussie btw

[–]mcr00sterdota 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Same. I'd rather go for the Asian chicks that have moved over here.

[–]ovrload 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Even Asian girls that have been brought up in Australia are just the same. Maybe you will find a nice Asian in the bunch, but most of them have that entitled princess mentality

[–]DrG_UK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting. Sounds pretty much like UK chicks. Are aussie women also as fat and ugly? If not, Australia sounds like a better option, at least to me.

[–]1sailorJery 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's not rocket surgery. It's the accent.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I only see them in Hawaii. And I don't know what the fuck they are saying but they sure as hell like me.

So they are good in my book.

[–]mcr00sterdota 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said they aren't good for fucking. But that's as far as it goes.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Looks matter

This completely changed my life. Not just losing the weight and being treated differently, but paying attention to being treated differently.

The world is a shallow place - and it will never change. The more you pretend like genetics, biology, and social dynamics are something that's negotiable, teachable, or worthy of shame, the less happy you personally will be.

Frankly, that realization was kind of freeing.

[–]MrBellsprout123 19 points20 points  (22 children)

By the far the hardest thing to deal with. As a man that desperately wants kids someday. I just don't know how I'm going to do it.

[–]ThxBungie 19 points20 points  (1 child)

There's plenty of happy, solid nuclear families with strong bonds and strong male/female dynamics still out there. It's just harder to find a good mate due to the decline of Western society. That doesn't make it impossible. When you read TRP it's really important to filter through the generalizations.

Look at all the successful people in the world. Most didn't come from broken homes.

[–]LidlKwark 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"most didn't come from broken homes"

A lot of them did nowadays actually

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Then take the gamble. Just know it's a gamble

[–]wiseprogressivethink 9 points10 points  (4 children)

View it as a transaction. Like buying a Jaguar. A lot of money is going to come out of your pockets, but if you value it enough, then it was worth it.

Have a kid (or three). Then, expect a divorce, a horrific custody fight, and paying through the nose for child support for many years. But take solace in the knowledge that your genes will live on long after you have passed from this realm.

It's an investment. Be realistic about it. It's a cost center. The dividends pay off slowly, but for eternity.

[–]rrroberto points points [recovered]

Unless of course your children don't have any children of their own, in which case it'll have all been for naught.

[–]looc22 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't get this attitude. You wanted to have children, but you go in KNOWING them WILL have a different experience and probably different ideals in life. If you're going in to parenthood solely because you want to pass on your genes and not because you want to raise somebody and be a good enough parent to see them make their own decisions and lead their own life you're selfish. Same goes for doing it for your enjoyment. If they don't want or have children you can disagree with them but the fact that they can make that decision for themselves and live their own life means your investment paid off.

[–]shutupnpayme points points [recovered]

Buy a sports car. It will end up giving you less disappointment in the long run, also be a helluva lot cheaper!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Look, if raising kids is a big part of your mission as it is mine then you will do it.

Just go in to it with eyes wide open and protect yourself as much as possible.

[–]RPtruthe points points [recovered]

This post is flat out wrong and I just wanted to analyse it as well as tear apart it's preconceived notions with the following comment:

  1. You ARE special. Every day I wake up and remind myself I am the One. That I have a mission in life: to maximize my potential as well as contribute to my community. As Kanye would say, "there a thousand yous, there's only one of me."

  2. Looks DON'T matter for women, and I have the science to prove this. In Models by Mark Manson, he describes how they have conducted numerous scientific studies to discover what attracts women and the jury is still out.

  3. Shit tests may not end, but they do subside. Stop being paranoid and think she is going to abandon ship at the first sign of Chad pointing his dick at her. Have some faith here, women can be loyal.

  4. Having kids WILL end well and if you disagree, well goodbye to your genetic lineage.

  5. Do TRUST what the majority concurs on on TRP. There's a reason certain advice is so popular.

  6. Society as a whole is IMPROVING. Never has there been a better time to be alive. I wouldn't trade my spot now for any other time in history.

If you don't like my points think of me as a devil's advocate.

[–]BigFaction 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I agree with everything but the kids part. Having kids is not for everyone. I truly hope that people aren't having kids that don't actually want them. Having kids just because they think it might work out or that they need to pass on their genes is probably going to end badly if you don't want kids/shouldn't be a parent/can't properly raise them.

[–]techemilio 4 points5 points  (0 children)

im 100% TRP and I love my children more than life itself, they give me such joy and motivation to continue improving myself. I hope I can instill in my boy some of the values ive learned and I hope he can build on them. Watching him and guiding him to grow is one of the greatest happiness

[–]couid 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're 100% right. OP is garbage.

[–]The_Good_Delusion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shit tests don't ever actually end, ever. Some guys here think that they will "become" this Alpha, find an LTR, and live happily ever after. She will continue to test you until her options of branch swinging are depleted, i.e. extreme age.

In a way they do. When you learn the game and internalise the new, attractive personality, you no longer notice shit-tests and consciously respond to them. At that point, you are just being you.

There is this BP idea I see posted around reddit, saying TRP is a "buffet" and you can basically choose what you find to be true, and leave the rest.

Well, TRP is a buffet and you shouldn't take all of it, because not all dishes go well together. But you should not choose based on your preexisting beliefs or wishful thinking. Instead, you should test the advice from here. Some of it will not work for you, because the author and the upvoters have some characteristic that you don't. In that case you should ditch it.

[–]feminists_are_dumb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2 is just false. Good looks will make it much easier for you, but confidence absolutely will get you everywhere you want to go (provided you can handle the higher rejection rate).

6 is subjectively wrong, in my opinion. There's no need to be a nihilist. The vast majority of people in the English-speaking western world do not agree with feminists and actually see value in traditional gender roles. The "decline" is NOT inevitable nor do we have to be nihilists to be Red Pillers.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Confidence won't get you everywhere, but it will get you most places.

[–]LuvBeer 7 points8 points  (4 children)

If this were true, C-level jobs would be poplulated by women and black guys, both of whom have retard levels of over confidence in their abilities.

[–]TalesAbound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's certainly true. I used to work with a chap from Essex (I don't know if you know the UK, but it's sort of the New Jersey of the UK. Has a rep for producing street-smart people, shall we say) who jokingly referred to himself as "The Prince of Blag". It wasn't an inaccurate nickname. He told me several stories about times he'd taken an absolutely cheeky chance on something and when caught and challenged for them, had a mix of confidence, feigned ignorance and the kind of smile that an Essex lad could do.

Some examples include escaping arrest for a car incident, and getting into the backstage footballer's area at an England football match!

[–]d6x1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Sorry but this a stupid post. It's filled with a loser defeatist attitude. It's just drips with 'give up' and 'there is no hope' mentality. You can change yourself, and you can improve yourself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

These are truths, but these are basics no? These are the core of what we are about.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname points points [recovered]

Read below. A lot of guys just don't want to accept it. The Red Pill, like the world, is on the decline.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

and if they cant take reality, fuck em

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

well you get it, and I get it. Let's keep it real, and wait for the doubters to swallow it for real.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well many people have trouble accepting 2 and they are somehow right.I mean when i was in Greece i always saw on the streets ugly man/beautiful woma.I think that ultimately status>looks(assuming you are not fat ugly neckbeard but regular dude of average height).If confidence doesn't help then PUA wouldn;t have worked at all (and it works,believe me).

[–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's definitely a buffet or else we'd truly be misogynists.

[–]Metalbear55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're are not special, we are not the best ever who stepped on this planet ,our women will leave us in an instant for a higher smv male,Marriage is now becoming a fraud. People will always shit test to mess up your mind.

So where does that leave us

Are we the victims

Are we helpless

Do we have no hope

Should we compromise from our goals

This is where the metamorphosis happens. This is where we realize that world is not fair, it is never meant to be. It is not what Disney and sitcoms tells us

So why should we play fair ,why should logic and sensibility hinder our confidence. Why can't we constantly improve ourselves and challenge every obstacle which looks insurmountable to others

We know the harsh truths of life. We have the knowledge and experience that how others will fuck you over if it is somehow beneficial for them, how the opposite sex is playing a game of there own. Our world is a whimsical clusterfuck and in such a world you convey a message that we don't have the potential to be the best I'll always choose to be a deranged delusional than to be a hopeless victim

This is redpill , other people may be somehow better than me but what is my perception about myself that matters more Any obstacle, person or situation ,doesn't matter how strong or difficult it is but if it's in my way i'm going to go right fucking through it. You swallowed the redpill. It ain't going to be easy , maybe borderline impossible but who told you it will be easy. Pick yourself up and cross your damn limits. That should be your COMPROMISE

No one is perfect , but we will be pretty damn close it

[–]refusewool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The buffet notion of TRP is that you can pick and choose which aspects to apply to your life, for example stoicism isn't for everyone and neither is plate spinning.

[–]alabrasa301 1 point2 points  (1 child)

confidence won't get you anywhere

Can you expand on this? I feel that confidence still gives you more of a significant chance especially if you're on the short side.

Edit: Sorry, I misread. Guess I should work on my dyslexia.

[–]Minar25 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It says confidence won't get you everywhere, not anywhere. He's saying confidence isn't going to get you everything you want, unfortunately you only have so far you can get without having good genetics.

[–]KennyF91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I take from it do not ever become complacent or lose touch with reality. Not everyone is against you, but never self deceive yourself. Not everything is a slight against you, but nothing wrong with acknowledgement that you have been sh*t tested.

[–]1htbf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That number 6 is completely stupid. You're going to hit a wall violently at some point if you're racing down the fucking decline.

[–]Coluphid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Number six pisses me off. That must mean it's true.

[–]uniquevoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

'The world is a complicated and grey place. Don't pick sides, just make sure you win.'

I like this one

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Having kids won't end well.

what the fuck kind of advice is this? Literally billions of people have had kids and it came out fine.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Having kids always ends well. It is worth a divorce easily. Any father will confirm. I have posted about this before, having kids is better than anything you will ever accomplish in your life. Apart from that it is a good post which has been ably extended by u/MattyAnon

[–]TheYoungOwl_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just want to point out FWIW that facial genetics & physique > height in terms of purely getting laid. Height is only an alpha trait when utilized correctly, otherwise it is a beta trait and you will be relegated as "relationship material" when you are a nice guy.

I have stolen many women from taller men so that's my personal two cents.

[–]MrMelbourne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can trust everyone with something but NEVER, EVER, trust somebody with everything.

[–]bluepillbaby 1 point2 points  (3 children)

[–]newName543456 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit tests don't ever actually end, ever. Some guys here think that they will "become" this Alpha, find an LTR, and live happily ever after. She will continue to test you until her options of branch swinging are depleted, i.e. extreme age.

The subtle difference is that at some point you might become alpha enough, that you just end up "passing" whatever tests thrown at you without even paying them attention. It's the level of "unconscious competence" as evidenced in 4 stages of competence.

It's subtle difference, because few reach such point. And it still isn't guaranteed to stop hypergamy kicking in at some point.

[–]Porngrill points points [recovered]

No.1 As 'corny' as it is, fight club is always a great reminder of this. We we reject the notion that we matter, then we'd do great things. One of the easiest things you can do is just say whatever on your mind, see how people react, you'd be surprised how many people will nervously chuckle, as if you can't say what you just said.

No.2 I fucking love being a tall, fit, clear skinned, blue eyed white dude. Literally won the fucking lottery.

No.6 That's why the right wing is so fun atm, it's something that knows the west has to burn, and in the ashes a phoenix will rise. (germany 1920s)

Other shit people don't want to accept,

Diversity doesn't work well, Maybe besides whites and east asians. One of the top nations in the world, Japan, has no diversity at all. It's clean and safe and technologically advanced. Really makes you think.

White,Christian,Nuclear families in the 1940s-1950s were the peak of america. The thing that topped it off was Man on the Moon, a project completed with Nazis.

There are differences between the races biologically.

None of your friends truly care about you. Family is the only thing that matters. The only people you should surround yourself with is people who will enrich your life with skills and advice.

Video games and TV shows (GoT ect) are fucking tripe and a waste of life. It's a copy of a copy of a copy.

School has brainwashed us, heavily. The true teachers of our lives should have been our parents but they were taken away with day jobs.

Porn is fucking degenerate as fuck. "Goldstein answered, "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism." Ford then asked, "What does it mean to you to be a Jew?" To which Goldstein responded, "It doesn't mean shit. It means that I'm called a kike." Ford also asked, "Do you believe in God?" Goldstein said, "I believe in me. I'm God. Fuck God. God is your need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God, admit it. We're random. We're the flea on the ass of the dog."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At least (((they))) admit it

[–]OHYEAHITSMEBABY 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol, for people upvoting "don't trust the mob" you people do follow like sheep at the first sign of getting what you want.

You people realize that you're taking life-altering advice from an 18 year old who doesn't own a car yet, right?

You are not special. This one is a core principle. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking you're the main character in some big movie because all you see is your own point of view. You aren't.

Nah, this is just loser talk. Plenty of people are special. Just because you aren't, doesn't mean I'm not. Or if I'm not, it doesn't mean the next commenter isn't. I'm not here into arguing about "what is special" or get into some cunty philosophical argument like "Does anything really matter?"

Looks matter. Height. Race. Every single physical factor is important when it comes to attraction. It sucks, but it really will boil down to genetics sometimes. Oh and confidence won't get you everywhere. Sorry.

Wow, you mean Henry Cavill has a genetic advantage over most guys? This is pretty stellar advice. I'm going to PM you and see if you can answer some more burning questions I have. Is water wet? The stove burned me when I touched it. Should I touch it again? This is mostly just loser drivel though, same as this other guy in the thread,

1a. There will always be someone better than you. If you're in their way and they notice you, you're fucked.

Just cuck-talk.

Shit tests don't ever actually end, ever. Some guys here think that they will "become" this Alpha, find an LTR, and live happily ever after. She will continue to test you until her options of branch swinging are depleted, i.e. extreme age.

Uh no shit, its called being a woman. You don't buy a car and then get depressed because you have to do maintenance on the car. You do maintenance so you can have a car you can be proud of.

Having kids won't end well. The guys who debate this are the ones who really don't get #1

Well its good to hear. I mean, 5,000 years of recorded history makes a pretty good case, but what does Socrates/Plato/Jesus/Every other important figure know? I mean, we've GayLubeOil, so its all good.

You think you can trust the judgment of the mob. I see so many guys on here following what the tabloids are saying. Liberal this. Conservative that. The world is a complicated and grey place. Don't pick sides, just make sure you win.

Oh, this post alone proves how stupid mob thinking is. Also that last bit is called being a scumbag. It makes so much sense now why you don't think you can be the hero of a story, because you're a bad guy.

Not enjoying the decline. When I first joined the Red Pill a year ago, I knew I fit right in because people here weren't trying to save the world. They were trying to find the most advantageous way to survive in the world that already exists. You will never save it. All nations fall, be lucky that you know how to capitalize on it before you go.

You aren't in the decline, you are the decline. Lets get real for a second and drop some truth bombs. If we had a way to swap every TRP user with a clone of the average guy from the 40's, we would be 100% better off.

This life wasn't supposed to be fair, or fun. That in itself is hard to swallow

Maybe for you. Both my parents were models.

It is one single pill, and the kicker is you've already swallowed it, but you're just in denial.

Wow, so deep.

Here is the real kicker, most of you guys are so abused and mistreated, that all it takes to convince people of this kind of thing is to just put in a voice of authority. Bullet points, strong words, not backing down.

Thats the real truth here.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Why does a man need to swallow that looks matter? What does that do for him in the end, other than making him feel like shit (and killing potential confidence) if he doesn't have them?

Of course looks matter very much and TRP shouldn't be some feelz b4 realz safe space, but I don't see how that pill is a particularly useful one.

Also I'd bet anything the delusional guy who thinks he's the main character of his own show everyone loves to watch is probably better off than the "I'm not special, you're not special, no ones special" guy.

[–]roeddit points points [recovered]

You control your looks to a large extent. Muscles, body fat, fashion, posture. What the fuck are you whining about?

[–]kitku_make 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Also I'd bet anything the delusional guy who thinks he's the main character of his own show everyone loves to watch is probably better off than the "I'm not special, you're not special, no ones special" guy.

You'd probably be wrong though. Narcissism is just one of the many failure modes of human psyche.

[–]thechugganautbitch points points [recovered]

About number 2. Yes looks matter, but constantly telling guys they do doesn't help. Sometimes the false confidence from thinking they don't matter can help slightly.

By reinforcing to an ugly dude that looks matter, you are really fucking him over twice.

I knew a really ugly guy once that just didn't know he was ugly for whatever reason. He thought he was good looking, but he was no where close. I have to believe that his success with women was because of that false over-confidence. What else could it be?

[–]mastermax777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really agree with #2... looks matter but confidence definitely plays a big part of it. looks alone aren't going to get you anywhere without confidence either

[–]RoxoViejo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post, OP, but how does confidence not help at all? Ever seen a good looking guy with zero confidence? Girls will walk straight past him, or will run away once they know him the tiniest bit. Having no confidence is just as bad, if not worse, than not taking care of your looks.

[–]blue_dover points points [recovered]

Looks matter. Height. Race. Every single physical factor is important when it comes to attraction. It sucks, but it really will boil down to genetics sometimes. Oh and confidence won't get you everywhere. Sorry.

Why are we here then? PreTRP Looks were everything. PostTrp looks are everything..

[–]Elatea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks were everything. PostTrp looks are everything..

this isn't the truth, looks aren't everything but don't fool yourself by thinking they don't matter.

[–]phate0451 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh and confidence won't get you everywhere. Sorry.

I laffed. Yep looks matter, but confidence will open many doors.

[–]1ShallITinder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For red pill truths, it might be a good start but I am begged to ask, is that it?

I mean outside of the looks mattering, this whole thing reads like some Cracked article. How about:

1 - Your revenge fantasy will never come true because the hot girl you crushed on had good parents and she was set up for success the day she was born. Same goes for the Chad you were envious of.

2 - You can try as hard as you want and you should, but a lot of success in life comes from circumstances growing up, family you were born to, people you ran into growing up, and the kinds of neighborhoods you were raised in.

3 - Life won't always get better as you get older, you have to put a ton of work in to make sure it can get better.

[–]Conceited-Monkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seriously, point 2 triggers the most hamster-ing on this sub. It is a really inconvenient truth.

[–]Jonnywest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really like number five. I think it should be number one. If we are talking about something you enjoy or know of, don't be afraid to speak your mind. Even if you fuck up. So many people test their new ideas so timidly. Be careful at work, though. That shit can be a mine field.

[–]mrbluesdude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In regard to #2, yes looks do matter but they are not the be-all end-all of female attraction. I'm average looking (at best), but I have been with and attracted extremely beautiful women in my life. Women correspond to your SELF image more than anything, if YOU think you're the shit, you're comfortable and confident in your own skin, then they will pick up on that via the law of state transference and they will believe it as well.

Women pick up on energy and confidence more than anything. If you're physically attractive do you have an advantage? Fuck yes, of course you do. That doesn't mean that if you're less than attractive you should give up all hope and become MGTOW or some shit like that. A lot of people use their looks as an excuse instead of working on themselves and actually getting better. Playing on hard mode can be more satisfying in certain ways, don't whine, make excuses or feel sorry for yourself.

[–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean "don't want to swallow"?

Don't we all agree on these? Aren't these Red Pill truths that Blue Pillers don't want to swallow?

[–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Confidence is a must you have more reading to do first start out by understanding female nature because there is no safegaurds against it so your little list wont work.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey OP are you Aaron Clarey??

I partially agree with most of the points in your post. I up vote and I've up voted similar posts because it does seem we are in dark days recently... but sometimes I think that posts like this are just a bit of a humble brag that you are the most nihilistic in a sea of nihilism (redpill recently).

It's a big country with lots of money, power, and pussy to go around to those that fight for it. Should you be on guard and be in a fighter/survivor mentality daily? Sure. Is it all useless and it's a big sinking ship? I don't think so (and if it is I believe that enough strong, solutions oriented men putting their heads together can solve anything). That train of thought (enjoy the decline) will just paralyze most with depression.

Go to a high end auto auction, TED talk, business/academic conference, or legislative body meeting and you will find men that are in the fight everyday. They are getting things done, networking, making shit happen and making a profit or good salary while doing it. I doubt many have the mindset that is presented in this post. I doubt Lincoln or Roosevelt or MLK had the mindset present in a lot of these nihilist posts.

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