Red Pill TheoryYou Pedestalize Something That is Inferior to You (self.TheRedPill)

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You are exciting and fun to be around. You have great stories, you converse well, and people find you interesting. She is boring and vapid. She is unable to talk about anything other than herself and the Kardashians. She never needed to be interesting because she was still worshipped by guys who wanted to get in her pants. But you still place her on a pedestal.

You spend your free time doing productive activities and hobbies. You lead a busy, exciting life where you are constantly learning new skills and meeting new people. Her only hobbies are wine and Netflix. Her life is so boring that she obsesses over the lives of celebrities and reality television stars. But you still place her on a pedestal.

You work hard to advance in your career. You do this because you know you must provide for yourself. She is unable to provide for herself and must find a man to provide on her behalf. While you never had anything handed to you in life, she was given everything on a silver platter. Through this you developed a work ethic that she lacks. But you still place her on a pedestal.

You are emotionally stable and confident. She cannot control her emotions. She frequently cries over the most menial things. She had an emotional breakdown when her favorite guy got voted off The Bachelorette. She throws temper tantrums like a child when she doesn’t get her way. Once a month, she bleeds for 5 days and cannot function. But you still place her on a pedestal.

You work your body to exhaustion in the gym almost every day. It is very difficult to build muscle and sculpt a muscular, attractive body. By doing so, you developed an unbreakable discipline. All she has to do to be attractive is be skinny, which means eat salads and run on the treadmill (and a lot of them can’t even manage this). Yet you still have her on a pedestal.

You need to internalize that there is nothing special about these women. So what if she’s attractive? She still shits and farts and cries like everyone else. Stop looking at women as being above you. You are above them. An attractive woman is nothing compared to a powerful man. Once you understand this, you will stop feeling lucky to be around her and you will realize that she is lucky to be around you. You are the prize. She is just competing for it. Get her off the pedestal.

[–]UndergoThoreau[🍰] 370 points371 points  (13 children)

if you put someone on a pedestal, they have no choice but to look down at you

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (8 children)

They cant even respect themselves. They are repulsed by any dude that respects them.

[–]Philletto 16 points17 points  (7 children)

Every man fails because either they are respectful and thoughtful (instant fail) or they won't be manipulated and soon the woman won't tolerate not being idolised. You cannot win unless you want to play games as much as she does. Your call if its worth the effort.

[–]theONE843663 -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

It is worth the effort if you are a natural drama queen like myself haha.

[–]Philletto 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah some people get energy from the game, some people are drained.

[–]theONE843663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those people probably find the game too challenging or the rewards not good enough. A man can live completely fine spending $100 a month on pussy easily.

[–]hightlevel points points [recovered]

You got the queen part right.

[–]theONE843663 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

A man can't use female terms for himself? This is 2017 you shitlord πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

[–]hightlevel points points [recovered]

If you were a man ... You know you are a weak little pussy from a shithole nation.

[–]theONE843663 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol whatever you say bro. Can't change your opinion of me it's completely outside of my control.

[–]Ainianu 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I dunno. I am 6'6" tall. I would quite like a girl on a pedestal.

[–]harsha_hs 13 points14 points  (0 children)

just lay her down, you're good to go.

[–]Doom_Phd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unless it's a short pedestal.

[–]B_E_5 105 points106 points  (9 children)

another thing- when you go out to say a bar and meet women, you're seeing the finished product. i think that's what leads to a lot of pedestalizing. you see this hot girl and you think "wow, she's amazing." but you don't see behind the scenes. their lives are quite boring. they don't look that good without makeup. really nothing special.

great post, op

[–]Cybernetic_Cyanide points points [recovered]

This right here, well put man.

I live in a college town and because of this there are a lot of attractive girls under the age of 30 here. I mean smoking hot, tight, well dressed, and bar hopping in large crowds.

But that's all there is to them. That's the highlight of their week.

Going out and binge drinking to the point that they get sick, weekend after weekend after weekend.

And you would think that because they are in college they would be smart and interesting in conversation, but no. What I have learned from living next to a campus for the last 7 years is that they are skilled at going to school, but not smart or interesting in the slightest. They know how to write papers, turn in homework on time, and are great test takers but never seem to actually retain any of the things they are learning.

They just slowly reach the end of their undergrad years with 50lbs extra, a drinking problem, and a group of equally superficial women they call 'friends'

Not all of them, don't get me wrong. I would say that 3 out of ten are actually there to learn and better themselves, they are a delight to run into and can hold an actual conversation. Not just parrot whatever is the latest thing to be offended by...

[–]TheOtherWalternate 20 points21 points  (3 children)

They just slowly reach the end of their undergrad years with 50lbs extra, a drinking problem, and a group of equally superficial women they call 'friends'

And then look for someone about to get a well-paying degree to marry. They went to college for their M.R.S. Degree.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Now the millenials are asking for student loan forgiveness for being fucking retarded human beings who attained a master's degree in a shite field. This group of millenials, of course, is being led by women.

[–]askmrcia 16 points17 points  (3 children)

What you described is exactly what I constantly run into. I'm in a mid west city. So we have 4 colleges (probably more I'm just going off the top of my head) in the surrounding area of downtown.

I don't mind girls going out and drinking 4 or 5 days a week. The biggest problem is when they do this is they think to themselves that they are living this amazing life. They feel that they are God's greatest gift or some celebrity because they have some social life. Then they will call everyone else boring who chooses not to spend half their paycheck on bar hopping nearly every day.

That's the problem. Most people are boring. But young women (ages 36 and lower) try their best to not be perceived as boring when in reality they are.

This is the social media age we are living in now. Everyone wants to try and be presented as some God or goddess when there is nothing special about them.

I see a ton of girls who claim they love to workout when all they do is go on the treadmill at the slowest speeds for two hours. I see tons of girls who claim they are "busy" all the time when all they do is go out for happy hour with their two real friends and spend weekends going to weddings and baby showers of people they barely know or care about.

My ex was this exact woman. We got into a small argument because I did not feel like going to this hole in the wall bar (that she goes too 3 days of the week). She called me boring and she tried bragging about how cool her social life was. I responded that there was nothing special about her social life. Anyone can go to hole in the wall bars almost every day and she's not special just because she gets free tickets to MLB games because her vendors from her job give her some. Many people have those perks. The look on her face was priceless. Honestly thinking back at this story was probably the start of our relationship ending. But yea she represented most women who think they live amazing lives when they don't do anything special.

Sorry for rambling, I'm at my company's annual meeting bored lol.

[–]ksnyder1 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I hear every word of that man. I know a guy who stopped drinking, hanging around his friends, etc so he could focus more time on his music and he's easily the best musician in the group of friends but no one can put two and two together. I know this sub tends to look down upon not drinking but to me getting drunk is no different than jerking off or posting something to Instagram. It's a distraction that does absolutely nothing to further your personal development. Unfortunately after my Giants got embarrassed last night I'm starting to think watching sports fits right with all that stuff lol.

[–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm in a sports city. I don't even watch sports. I mean I'll watch the Super Bowl or special event but I cut that shit out. And I grew up playing sports all the way through college, so I have a huge love for sports.

But I realized that it's a huge time waster. You're sitting on your butt for 3 to 4 hours just watching TV. And most people are drinking beer. I don't have an issue with anyone doing this, I really don't. If you like it then by all means. But me personally, I noticed I was wasting a huge amount of time. Think about it. I watch a few highlights here and there and still won my fantasy league. Here's why I think it's a waste of time. I can see all the big plays on YouTube. When watching the game you're not going to remember everything that happened. Hell, you're going to remember only a few plays of all the 3 hours you sat and watched the game. So in the end, it's a waste of time. I get, enjoying the experience, but when it becomes a frequent activity, it adds up to alot time wasted.

Sorry about your Giants, but I'm glad they lost. I felt like had they beat gb they be on their way to another super bowl

[–]Queefums 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! Watching sports takes up a huuuge amount of time. Especially sports like baseball and basketball where your team plays ~3 games a week. Each game is 3-4 hours of your life down the drain if you're watching live. There is an unbelievable amount of downtime between plays with fouls, timeouts, play reviews, etc. Not to mention the mountain of advertisements you're getting exposed to. God I hate watching ads...

[–]plutorising92 67 points68 points  (57 children)

Nice and true. Great line about an attractive woman being nothing compared to a powerful man.

[–]Popular-Culture points points [recovered]

An woman's only asset is her appearance, which has a lifespan of about 15 years (age 15-30). A powerful man's assets can last his entire lifetime if maintained properly.

[–]TRIICT 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Appearance and ability to give you male offspring

The Window is limited haha.

[–]harsha_hs 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Those days, everyone wanted a MALE child. Make no mistake, they knew how it works.

[–]Elephaux 70 points71 points  (47 children)

Comes over a bit ignorant to say a woman's only assets are her looks. In many cases, it's true, but there are plenty of interesting, useful women out there. The problem is that pretty girls never learnt to be interesting, plain girls did. In a lot of cases, ugly women are miles better to talk to as they, like men, were forced to put in extra effort and cultivate a personality.

[–]rrroberto points points [recovered]

I dunno. I find even the uglies are uppity cunts these days.

[–]Andromeda-1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yep, not in the days of instant internet validation from whatever sad losers will give it to them on OKCupid.

[–]ramaga 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Exhibit A: Fat black women. (And I'm black before some knucklehead accuses me of racism.)

[–]Popular-Culture points points [recovered]

ugly women are miles better to talk to

I don't pursue those women sexually

[–]Elephaux 7 points8 points  (32 children)

I didn't suggest you did, and you made a sweeping generalisation about an entire gender, which takes the concept of AWALT a bit too far.

You didn't mention that you think other women have value outside of their sexuality, so I took it literally. Apologies if that's not what you intended.

[–]Ainianu 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Their mind. Unless you plan to spend no time with them at all outside of sex. (And even then a smart girl may be more creative and fun)

[–]ElOweTea 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Anything smart/creative or fun about any girl is just a regurgitation of what she learned from some other dude.

[–]LethalShade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where did your smarts/creativeness come from if not from some other figure that was more knowledgeable than you?

[–]theONE843663 11 points12 points  (26 children)

AWALT can't be taken far it is a law. AWALT is AWALT. My mother would be the perfect unicorn...But AWALT is AWALT. The moment you apply your own principles to AWALT, you are messing it up. It's not a sweeping generalization... It's reality. Women = useless for other than sex & housekeeping. If you want a good conversation partner of value, befriend other men. I assure you they'll provide much more value in that regard without all the shit tests.

[–]smirk_addict 13 points14 points  (21 children)

The anger is strong with this one.

[–]theONE843663 14 points15 points  (18 children)

Not really. I'm just stating the truth. I don't take women seriously. I actually find extreme beauty in the Alpha fucks/beta bucks mechanics. Not angry just being real. Women are there to be the mother of your child/serve you. That's it.

[–]Cunt_Robber 3 points4 points  (17 children)

You from Saudi arabia or what? Where does trp say disrespect women?

[–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (16 children)

Actually I'm from Nepal. Where does it say? Lol read the sidebar. If you're still worried about "disrespecting women", then wth you doing here? Manipulating women to get sex and u taking the high horse? Wtf bro. Women are beneath us and are inferior beings. I won't respect something that is beneath me.

[–]1Jax77789 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You are aware that using "anger" as a bad word makes you part of the FI right ? And in that case he is not angry, he just points out the obvious. Women are short-lived reproductive units, some can provide moderatly good company outside of sex but that's it. We are better than them in every conceivable way. It is a fact. Not being angry at all.

[–]smirk_addict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is so much more important things to me than thinking I'm better than women.

[–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (3 children)

That's not what AWALT means at all, you're just projecting your own experiences/thoughts on it.

AWALT is self explanatory. It means that all women are programmed to follow their biological and psychological imperatives. Doesn't mean all women are the same or are all useless or are all basic bitches, etc. It's a law because it encompasses all.

You just just as easily make up AMALT and it's be 100% accurate as well. You believe most men are good conversational partners that can offer value? That's laughable. As with women, most men don't have an interesting perspective because they get all their knowledge from school/social media and then regurgitate it in a way(if you're lucky) that makes them look knowledgeable/interesting.

[–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The key difference being that you don't want to fuck men...So there's no sexual tension. That makes for better friendships. Even a blue pill beta can have a decent conversation on things not related to women (for eg: deep discussions about philosophy, history, art, etc) without there being any sexual tension at all (unless you're gay or bisexual)

Yes AMALT would definitely be accurate as all males want to do what they're genetically inclined to do: Spread one's seed as much as possible. The sheer fact that you are in a monogamous relationship means that you're now failing your evolutionary imperative and are now helping the woman achieve her imperative by sacrificing your own. That is what the female imperative makes men do: undermine his own imperative for her benefit!

In our perspective, AMALT is not only real, but is something that should be encouraged. You can be in an LTR, even use the woman for services other than sex and housekeeping... But if that woman is the only bitch you're fucking, you're failing AMALT at the core level and thus causing an imbalance (cuz her AWALT is working by gaining your loyalty/companionship).

So here's a better paradigm from this convo. AWALT needs AMALT to work and if you know that these laws encompasses both genders, then it is your duty as a fully aware male to wholly practice AMALT so that AWALT can be in balance thus improving gender relations by succumbing to the natural order.

The whole blue pill situation is there in the first place because not enough men practice AMALT.

[–]LethalShade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Great post man, I'm glad you wrote it out, fleshed out your points a lot better than your other one. I'm gonna challenge a few points and expand on some of my ideas, curious to hear your thoughts.

I think we're going into an unprecedented and fascinating age. Men both have more than competition than ever and more opportunities than ever. If you follow the red pill path and focus on building an exciting life for yourself, a great career, fit body and abundance mentality in regards to women, you'll literally end up with an endless sea of women, if that's what you so desire.

At the same time, the opposite is true. If you go the other way and waste your time on hobbies that don't improve yourself, don't develop your game(abundance mentality can only truly come from competence) and embrace blue pill ideology, you're gonna have a bad time.

I really think the next few decades are gonna bring us back to primal days where 80% of men don't reproduce. I use to be a huge gamer/anti social recluse in general and I had to pull myself out of it by the skin of my teeth because that whole culture will be wiped out from the gene pool soon enough. Familiar with VR technology? It's already a billion dollar industry and it's not even close to being mainstream yet. What happens when you can have VR sex and relationships, what beta is gonna go out and better himself when he can pay 50$ a month for a perfect 10 virtual girlfriend?

To tie it up to your point, the quality of women is gonna be more important than ever as there'll be a never seen before abundance of them for the top 20% of men. It's gonna completely change the dynamics of the market place, hot girls with 0 intellect are gonna plummet down the social ladder as their orbiters desert them too busy with their virtual GF and the quality men having their pick of the women from all over the world as globalization becomes more and more dominant.

I'm gonna stop here, I could go on for days discussing red pill, pick up, biology, futurology and economics and how it all ties together.

[–]theONE843663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh man next thing you know, there's 10k word essays as comments haha. And about VR... I don't need that shit. This is gonna go on a tangent so hold still!

I got a better VR in my brain complete with all 5 senses + the 6th (intuition). It's called lucid dreaming and it actually takes some effort to get adept at.

I tend to practice out certain blue pill fantasies while I'm in the void...But I know it's not real. The blue pill dream will always exist in a dream it cannot become reality. While in the real world, I don't care as much I'm just another celestial being fumbling through space in a giant rock.

But it's weird cuz one can go as far as to say that the real world is the game. I think, therefore I am... Therefore I can conclude that my dream world is actually the true reality where I can truly manifest. Regardless, I'm still rooting for VR porn! Finally the omegas will have something better to do. Might finally put an end to the character we know as Captain Save.a.Hoe!

[–]EDDbDG 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I give you a hypothetical? Let's say you had a female friend who was interesting and on par with a male friend in every way. She is interested in you, but ugly. What would it take for you to at least give her the honor of pump and dump?

[–]Ainianu 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is so true. My girlfriend is very attractive, but she is also a Dr and i just love the chats we have about random science, tech, politics etc, it is always interesting.

[–]stoicismexpress 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Ding ding ding, there's the sensible reply. Sad to see so many posters still in the anger phase thinking they're alpha.

[–]rrroberto points points [recovered]

You know what's tiring? The whole "he's in the anger phase," as though that should negate what someone's saying.

  1. An observation you disagree with doesn't mean the commenter is necessarily angry.
  2. Being angry doesn't have to be bad. There are times when it is the appropriate response.
  3. Being angry about something doesn't mean one is in a "phase."

[–]stoicismexpress 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I agree that people misuse the term, but someone that claims "a woman's only asset is her appearance" is one of two things. A) Retarded or B) Angry and mis-focusing this emotion on a hatred of women rather than lifting. Either way it's an issue.

[–]1TimmyTurnersNuts 22 points23 points  (4 children)

You're being generous. Most women are done by 23.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

True. I hooked up with a 24 yr old french doc in London. Cute but you could see the wall approaching her very very quickly.

[–]the-Real_Slim-Shady 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It's almost as if women lie about their age

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

a 24yo French doc? A student then, cuz medicine university is a good 9+ years in France. Anyhow, student hygiene is terrible.

(am a French pharmacist)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never really go into too much detail about their careers. She was seeking validation constantly, telling me how much she earned etc.

[–]CanuckinFL 63 points64 points  (4 children)

This. Remember AWALT, but more importantly, human nature.

I'm a big history buff so I've been poring over the Napoleonic era. Now his romance with his wife is prime example of how this operates. So long as he was a young general, and writing her letters of undying love while he was in Italy....literally begging her to come be at his side... She was banging half of Paris. He came back, saw that, crowned himself Emperor, and said: "I shall love her for the rest of my days, but she will never again be the only one." and he went about his business. His wife stopped the affairs and came to him submissive. Even EMPERORS have to be told or figure out not to pedestalize. Even Napoleon. Find the emperor within, and take no shit. Not from them.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Links to brush up on this would be good for the rest of us!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have wondered whether that napoleon romantic narrative was true? Ordered his biography recently.

[–]CanuckinFL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consider that post Revolution France was literally dying for heroes and that he was the ONLY one. He racked up military victory after military victory. He was his era' rockstar beyond anyone else.... But Josephine thought she could do better until he just didn't give a f*ck. This is well-known. Wikipedia entry from Josephine: "The marriage was not well received by NapolΓ©on's family, who were shocked that he had married an older widow with two children. His mother and sisters were especially resentful of JosΓ©phine as they felt clumsy and unsophisticated in her presence.[2] Two days after the wedding, Bonaparte left to lead the French army in Italy. During their separation, he sent her many love letters. In February 1797, he wrote: β€œYou to whom nature has given spirit, sweetness, and beauty, you who alone can move and rule my heart, you who know all too well the absolute empire you exercise over it!”[3]

JosΓ©phine, left behind in Paris, began an affair in 1796 with a handsome Hussar lieutenant, Hippolyte Charles.[4] Rumors of the affair reached NapolΓ©on; he was infuriated, and his love for her changed entirely.[5]"

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Ultimately female beauty is not an inherent female characteristic, but something that men experience as a result of seeing females displaying certain characteristics.

That there is fairly universal agreement about the nature of those characteristics (plus her eternal unending solipsism) allows her to capture male attraction as an inherent quality of herself rather than that which is experienced by men.

Thus "I am beautiful" she says, but requires constant affirmation of this by men, because it is not an absolute. Without men to remind her of her beauty, it literally doesn't exist. Without men on the planet, female beauty would literally cease to be a concept.

We feel attraction based on our perception of her ability to conceive and nurture our babies. This is why fat is unattractive: she's either pregnant or unhealthy and therefore unable to nurture our potential children.

Attractive male characteristics on the other hand are based on being successful (not 'useful' - characteristics that are useful to her are inherently beta). These success-characteristics are useful to ourselves, beneficial to each other, attractive and beneficial to women, to children, to everyone. Her characteristics are literally only useful to attract men. Other than that, her "beautiful" characteristics are about as useful as a fish riding a chocolate coffeepot.

[–]Popular-Culture points points [recovered]

Her characteristics are literally only useful to attract men

Exactly. Her characteristics only exist to appease man. So why do we worship the ground she walks on?

[–]harsha_hs 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I read a wonderful comment about 6 months ago in this very sub. It goes :

'When you reject her advances, she don't have a back up plan'

[–]TomHicks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thus "I am beautiful" she says, but requires constant affirmation of this by men, because it is not an absolute. Without men to remind her of her beauty, it literally doesn't exist. Without men on the planet, female beauty would literally cease to be a concept.

Dykes still exist. Although there wouldn't be nearly enough to satisfy everyone's need for validation.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also - dykes have different preferences to men. Without male influence, female beauty would be redefined.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Remove the multi-billion dollar makeup industry, and the fake pedestals would come crashing down for many. Even "hot chicks" aren't that fucking hot without makeup. Essentially, women create the fake pedestal by wearing masks that idiots take as reality. Fuck makeup. Why don't women just show their true selves? Oh, because they wither quickly while we men maintain our good looks much longer. Yet, men don't fucking see this. SMH.

[–]FcknSafe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. Makeup is essentially glorified face paint. It's important to clarify that men have the ability to maintain looks much longer, however most don't and end up going the same route as many women and turn into fat, disgusting slobs.

[–]RoxoViejo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

And then men get blamed when they "don't show their entire self" or when the woman "can't figure you out because you don't talk". Makeup is false advertising, plain and simple. Most women are so insecure that they ruin their skin just to look good on a superficial level, which in turn gives them value just based on looks that are not even real.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This weakness in them has helped me break the legs off the pedestal. Honestly, I've looked at women and laughed at what they do with the paint. It truly does expose when you think about a creature who cannot fully function or even leave the bathroom without painting a facade.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a girl I was dating bought me some Clarins BS for Christmas. Anti exfoliant, anti wrinkles, this sort of junk. I was like yeah well thank you but I don't really use chemicals. Basic soap, anti-DHT shampoo, cold water. Works wonders. She was like WTF is this Stone Age. The idiocy.

[–]iamneptuno 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The thing is, if you

lead a busy, exciting life where you are constantly learning new skills and meeting new people


are emotionally stable and confident

then it's impossible to put some cute female on a pedestal.

[–]TALzFGxawb 45 points46 points  (1 child)

this is an aspect of trp i don't get. like yeah, plenty of women are vapid and useless, but so are most men. and man or woman, i don't really want to associate with those people. i think of it less as putting people on a pedistal, and more as looking for people near my level (they probably achieve in different ways than me, but more than just being not fat)

like, one of my fwbs is a surgeon (resident), runs marathons, and dances. another is insanely good at pickup (she's bi. picking up men doesn't count) and cooking. another is a pianist and a mathematician. these are not boring people. they've all worked hard for a long time on themselves and their interests, and it shows

it's important to remember that she shits too. and even if she is amazing, she's lucky to be around you, because you're a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the rabble. so yeah, get her off the pedestal, but you don't need to dig her a hole

[–]arealbigboss 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"I am never stressed out, the only thing that stresses me is seeking the approval of my inferiors."

-Dwight Schrute (who's pretty rp'd until his oneitis got the rest of him)

[–]bomerr points points [recovered]

The problem with your post is it's man = good, women = bad. You are still butt hurt by women. You should apply to same high standards to women as well. Good women will have a hard work ethic.

[–]Prophets_Prey 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It's not saying men=good and women=bad. It's just exposing the delusional view that most men have of women, that they're this supreme beings that have to be worshipped. It's humanising, for women especially, that men need to understand that women are human and have their flaws too. That in this age of superficiality, most have nothing good going for them except their looks and vapid personalities.

[–]rudeboy4ever[🍰] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Women are not bigger than their pussy" - Patrice O'Neal

[–]ArsenalWolverine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is just what I needed man. Great reality check. Thank you for this. Saved and upvoted.

[–]RoxoViejo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great post OP! Isn't it incredible that many give so much value to women just because of their looks? It is so easy for guys to provide waaaaay more value, and many still think that women's looks are worth more than our intelligence, discipline and achievements.

[–]clme 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Your post sings the praises of Red Pill men so well, that one is compelled to wonder why not fall in love with such fellow men instead of these vapid women. If men have all these attractive qualities what's the mental obstacle to admiring and falling for them?

Rhetorical question, to Mother Nature, of course :)

[–]EvolvedA 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Rhetorical question but an important point though.

I think men pedestalize women because pussy, that's what we want and that's what we value - and many of us value pussy simply too much. And for those men, OP's points are not valid anyways.

[–]harsha_hs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Solid post. A bit tune up and adding several more points --> Sidebar material

[–]angryguy4444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the biggest thing I learned in TRP is that women are inferior to men. They are inferior naturally, in the sense that men are better at dealing with the environment. And they are also inferior because today's culture raises them up to be shitty people with litterally zero skills while men still has to be great.

[–]Rabadon123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My entry into the redpill wasn't after reading the red pill, it was interacting with a women after reading the red pill. All the truths and talking points made her jumped at me. Her unwillingness to improve. Her constant emotional breakdowns when confronted with any difficulty. Her complete selfishness and sophistry. These are things I was confronted with daily, but never saw until after I had the red pill stored in the back of my mind.

Women are lesser than men in every way. If we could give birth, we would be superior at it as well.

[–]ecosci 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All for a stinky little vagina.

[–]BeliefEditor points points [recovered]

Posts like this are the reason people think The Red Pill is about misogyny.

The point of pedestalization isn't to put them down because of what they are as people (while imagining that men are magnificent in comparison); the point is to understand that their role is one of support in a way that compliments your role of leadership. You have to be strong, not in spite of her but with the help of her.

Putting women down is an immature and insecure attitude to have.

[–]RoxoViejo 7 points8 points  (10 children)

You have to be strong on your own. She is joining your reality, not the other way around. If you're not strong and enter a relationship, you're prone to emotional sabotage from her side.

[–]BeliefEditor points points [recovered]

Yes, of course.

You can't depend on her for anything, ever. That's the strength of a man.

So, if we are already so strong and so independent and so ubreakable and magnificent... what's the need to put women down? They're the very thing that we love, that's why we're all here. It feels like an insecure attitude to have. That's what I wanted to point out.

[–]RoxoViejo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree, but I was referring to what you said that you have to be strong with her help. The thing I wanted to point out is that you being strong shouldn't depend on her.

[–]newName543456 0 points1 point  (6 children)

If you have them on a pedestal, like many rookies here, only possible way is down.

[–]BeliefEditor points points [recovered]

I agree. What I don't agree with is the motivation OP endorses, which is fundamentally disrespectful to women. If you fully grasp the way our hardwired gender dynamics work -unlike many rookies here- you realize there is zero need for that misogyny shit.

Respecting women is not the same thing as putting them on a pedestal. That is something that completely flies over the head of "rookies" (and quite a few "pros" while we're at it). That's why women see "terpers" as pathetic and bitter neckbeards, because they autistically prioritize blind faith in semi-correct left-brain bro-science douchebag theories over being a normal person, never taking into account this basic human quality.

Ask any female friend of yours if she could see herself loving an insecure and bitter Alpha-wannabe Beta who acts condescending and demeaning toward women because "they are inferior", all for the sake of getting into their pants, without fundamentally respecting who they are as people. If you genuinely don't see what's wrong with that picture you still don't get it.

[–]CanuckinFL 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Nope you got it way wrong Belle You will RESPECT PEOPLE who earn it. And your benchmarks, your standards are those we invoke in here. You absolutely DO NOT respect women, because they're women. Jesus, you missed the point entirely trying to defend Red Pill in your head to the complaints of those not on the sub. How about this? Respect who you want, for whatever dumb ass reasons you want. But do not respect "A sex" because of a tautology. Women, trust me, do NOT respect men just cause we're men. that's the point. DO as they do.

[–]BeliefEditor points points [recovered]

You just proved to me that you have the exact mentality I argue against.

Understand that there are two different things going on in this reality: one is our biological pre-installed programs, and the other is our free will.

Sexual attraction, infatuation, and hormonal drives for pair-bonding happen within the context of our hardwired impersonal genetic blueprints, so everything The Red Pill teaches is absolutely correct within that context, I am not arguing against that.

What I am pointing out is that despite all the sexual attraction, infatuation, and biological drives women feel to pair up with men who behave that way based on their evolutionary impulses, there is another dimension to reality which has to do with the meaning of it all; an abstraction unique to humans (compared with animals), which comes out of one's consciousness or awareness.

This "meaning" of life is what gives importance to things and ultimately, no matter how much you make her cum and release that oxytocin, no woman is ever gonna give the abstract meaning that she's maximally fulfilled in life, to a life where she's nothing more than a douchebag gymbro's plate who doesn't think of her as a human who's even worth his time beyond being a wet hole for him to use. If you don't think such a woman would go sneaking around behind your back to find someone who actually loves her, you've fallen into the same trap that men have fallen into since the beginning of time: thinking that they are God's gift to their women and thinking that she would never leave them.

Love, believe it or not, is a real perception. Whether you want to believe that it's illusory or illogical or not is besides the point: we experience it, and that makes it real enough regardless of how rational it is. No woman is ever going to love someone who doesn't love her.

What you don't seem to have distinguished yet is that there is a difference between: a) The hierarchical order established among people based on domination and intimidation (what you attempt to do by calling a man you don't know and disagree with "Belle" over the Internet in an attempt to make yourself look like a badass, which ironically gives me the opposite impression of you), and b) Appreciating another sentient being for what they are, welcoming their existence into your space and looking out for them. One has to do with imposing order based on who's stronger (implicitly based on threat), and the other one has to do with caring about one another on a human level.

What you call "respect" is purely the former. What I am calling respect here is the latter.

Treating women like "they are inferior" and refusing to give them the basic respect they should get (not on the grounds that they are female but because of the individual conscious being they are), while at the same time expecting for them to give you this same respect in return is ridiculous.

If you fundamentally don't respect a woman's experience of life, her thoughts, her perspectives, her emotions, her aspirations, her dreams - how on Earth do you expect her to ever do the same for you?

[–]CanuckinFL 0 points1 point  (2 children)

no one said anything about treating anyone inferior. I said do not respect a sex because it's a sex. You've failed to convince me otherwise- and I positively don't care what you think of my posts. Nice try. :) Your impression of love sounds cartoonish and single minded from a woman's point of view. I don't care for it, and frankly, it seems a bit trite to repeat the societal standpoint of agonizing over what a woman thinks love is. This (TRP) is about what WE think love is, whether it's worthwhile or not. Not about "douche gymbro" making universal comments. Merely respect is given when and where it's earned. Period.

[–]BeliefEditor points points [recovered]

No one said anything about treating anyone inferior.

Did you forget what the name of this thread is? ("You Pedestalize Something That is Inferior to You")

I said do not respect a sex because it's a sex. You've failed to convince me otherwise.

I never tried to change your mind about that, I agree with that. That's why I included this part: "(not on the grounds that they are female but because of the individual conscious being they are)."

Your impression of love sounds cartoonish and single minded from a woman's point of view. I don't care for it.

("Appreciating another sentient being for what they are, welcoming their existence into your space and looking out for them"). That's cartoonish to you?

It seems a bit trite to repeat the societal standpoint of agonizing over what a woman thinks love is.

And? I'm not advocating that anybody do that. I'm saying: Men who love women are loved by women; If you don't love women, you won't be loved by them. You have free will and you can choose to not love women if you want.

This (TRP) is about what WE think love is, whether it's worthwhile or not. Not about "douche gymbro" making universal comments.

There is a difference between searching for truth, and defending the identity of a club that tries to search for truth. You are free to think that the truth is whatever you want to think it is.

Merely respect is given when and where it's earned. Period.

This "me vs them" attitude (which stems from fear and a lack of love) is precisely what makes both men and women spend their entire lives having mediocre encounters, experiences and relationships with one another. Good luck receiving generosity without giving any.

[–]CanuckinFL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the amplification of where you're coming from, but I don't need permission nor your hyperbole stated as fact to frame our discussion. The point of everything is to be aware of nuances and shifts, not cling to empty headed notions of fair play, equity and the "sad dignity" of shared human experience. Too many men settle for subpar experiences with women as an expedient means to grab sex. Along the way they pedestalize women as they have been, almost universally, taught to do. So the thread reaches, but the point is TRP is a fledgling "shift" away from a narrative that has men as bit players in a woman's frame. It's been a pretty steady pounding for women's rights and consideration for minorities and so forth. For nearly 50 years straight. Much more to do, but the pendulum has to swing back, which it does, in TRP. It's a stage. Stop thinking you're educating a simpleton and assuming I don't treat women with love nor get tons of love from women. My ONLY point was do NOT respect a gender because it's a gender. You piss me off, you're a woman, and the goddam gloves come off. No high minded stoic silence or explaining away bullshit.

So we're not really arguing at cross purposes unless you take issue with not respecting a gender just cuz. Finis.

[–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You have to be strong, not in spite of her but with the help of her.

How come you are strong if you still need her help?

[–]BeliefEditor points points [recovered]

We don't need her help, but we appreciate it and can benefit from it. Subtle distinction.

You are 100% capable of making your own money, cleaning after yourself, feeding yourself, and satisfying yourself sexually with the Internet. You don't need a woman's help, but isn't it beneficial to have someone do the latter three for you while you focus on succeeding? It's a support.

There's a difference between pedestalizing women and appreciating them. Putting them down is not constructive for anyone.

[–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are 100% capable of making your own money, cleaning after yourself, feeding yourself, and satisfying yourself sexually with the Internet.

You have your mother for that, and then you grow up. Depending on a female in your everyday functioning is ridiculous. There are husbands who do that, and then after divorce they are completely helpless. Make slightly less money, but look after yourself.

"Female touch" is a different thing of course, you are programmed to want it, so you'll need one, or preferably more.

[–]The_King_Hudson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really think this post would depend on what kind of women you're aiming for. I've certainly been with women like this, and you've described them to a T, but I think it's fair to say not all women are like this.

[–]cdennwb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything said in this, but it has to be said that the opposite can be just as true. There are plenty of guys who are put on a pedestal even though they deserve the opposite. This is a description of a dysfunctional relationship, not the description of women. If you believe that women are in fact inferior, you are, in fact, a misogynist.

[–]grrrallnamestakengrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont know if anyone should be placed on a pedestal. But do understand the gist of OPs post

[–]broketsuu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This may be the post that kills my nice guyism and pedestalization. Fuck yes I'm a man and twice as valuable as her. Thank you op.

[–]AlexanderTheGreen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Question No.1: Is he/she really inferior to me, if i've "pedestalized" him/her for his/her superior grades and school performance than mine?

Question No.2: "You are exciting and fun to be around. You have great stories, you converse well, and people find you interesting." The rest of the text goes on like this, comparing the good stuff i/we do, to the "unstable" behaviour she has. But, please, clear something here for me. If i did all these things, i'd be full of confidence. I've been there, in the past. But, to place someone in a pedestal, i must be running pretty low on self-confidence, no?

Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i've mixed things up. A clarification would be appreciated.

[–]hotrod1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post hits home for me. Thanks for this.

[–]SlyAM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100000% agree OP. Once I learned of the pill and downed it with a shot of kale water, I agreed to myself to never place a woman on a pedestal ever again. I am above her and if anything she needs to place me on a pedestal.

[–]turonkusu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh snap..... this sounds exactly like a girl I met when I was 12, was in lvoe till I was 21...IN the beginning she was freaking awesome and I was a total nerd. After we finished college she changed into a bimbo cosmopolitan and I turned into the man I wanted to become.l...I tried man...I really tried to figure out whyI still loved her liked her... but the title says it all. I am now 31 ... I don't know why I ever wasted so much of my life. We need to teach our sons and young men the true menaing of being a man....less society goes even further down the drain