Red Pill TheoryThink HORIZONTALLY, not VERTICALLY (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev

Uncle Vasya here with your Thursday reminder: Think HORIZONTALLY, not VERTICALLY.

This is especially true for n00bs, recovering ‘Nice Guys’, and guys exiting Monk Mode.

You should be doing multiple approaches and engaging multiple women (i.e. thinking 'horizontally'). If a girl is into you, great. If she’s not responsive after a reasonable amount of time or interaction, then move on. Any further investment is wasted. It gets you nowhere and can create a sense of “entitlement” that we sometimes see among ‘Nice Guys’ who keep investing and investing and investing in the same girl (i.e., thinking 'vertically') who “likes him as a friend”, but nothing more. Eventually, he will 'win' the right to become her 'Orbiter-in-Chief', which makes him the Mayor of her "Friend Zone". If you start getting that from girls then withdraw your attention, and move on.

The problem we see with ‘Nice Guys’ is they build up some bluepill rom-com fantasy in their heads and think that if they Just Stick Around Long Enough, and Put The Work In, eventually, the objects of their LURRRVE will each give him that 10th Stamp on his ‘Nice Guy’ card and then, according to the Rules of the Hottie Union, she will finally be able to give him All The Sex He Deserves!

Life doesn’t work that way.1 Whilst the ‘Nice Guy’ is busy with his ‘Boyfriend Audition’, the chick is off fucking some Outlaw Biker or Escaped Mental Patient. The difference is that those dudes made their intentions clear. If you’re waiting for her to ‘realize’ that the two of you are ‘perfect together’, forget it.

Fun Fact: Faint Heart Never Fucked Fair Lady

If you’re not getting “buy” signals or IOI’s or whatever, and those do not lead to you closing the deal, i.e., PiV, then it’s time to bail. And it doesn’t matter “why”. If she gives you LJBF, you already have enough friends. She is really saying she wants you to orbit her, validate her, pay her way, and NOT have sex with her. Maybe she’s involved with another dude. Fine, there are lots of women who aren’t. Maybe she wants to ride the Cock Carousel for the next 10 years until the journey ends and the announcer bellows, “Wall Station! Everybody off!” Hey, if she wants to train to be an emotionally broken, future Cat Colonist, that’s not your problem. Mosey on down the road.

Bottom Line: A woman doesn't "owe you" her body, but you don't "owe her" your time, attention or resources. If you're not getting what you want it's time to bail.

Now go forth and slay.

1 Well, it does, sometimes…15-20 years later. Once the chick has racked up a heavy N-count on the CC and needs a dad for her 4 kids by 3 different fathers, and her SMV has hit the WallSPLAT! head-on. But I digress. And you don’t want that shit, anyway.

[–]blue_dover points points [recovered]

Did you just assume my axis of orientation?

[–]PhaseShift1 71 points72 points  (23 children)

Did you just assume my angle for (r,theta)?

[–]Cesare_MA 55 points56 points  (21 children)

Talk about being a polarizing guy

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 57 points58 points  (19 children)

To me, all of this seems a bit obtuse....

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 53 points54 points  (17 children)

Fuck here we go on another tangent

[–]Officer_Dick_Johnson 21 points22 points  (15 children)

It's fine. It doesn't count.

[–]brunomarini13 23 points24 points  (14 children)

Talking about this is a big sin

[–]El_Shakiel 20 points21 points  (11 children)

I'm lost 'Cos it's a bit confusing

[–]RP_Teacher 15 points16 points  (9 children)

You should meditate to secant the answer...

[–]Solistx points points [recovered]

Sorry, normal is undefined.

[–]Cunt_Robber 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Guys we all need to raise our awareness of drama and how to steer clear of it without letting our egos get us involved. If you didnt think with your dick, youd recognize drama on the horizon and make a full detour, but since the vagina is attached to the drama, we tend to gravitate toward both. You'd pass all the shittests if you didnt give a fuck! Adopt a "me first" mentality, something that many guys have been brought up to believe is part of the douche bag mentality. But no it's not, and youre not disrespecting women or being a selfish, narcissistic mysoginist. Youre not gay if you dont want to sleep with her, but she'll call you all sorts of names and put you down because youre not giving her what she wants. Still, steer clear. When in doubt, ghost and take as much time as you need to figure stuff out. It's ok to put yourself first, to be singleminded about something if it'll potentially lead to success or create for you a better life, to let people go because they drain your energy and resources, to not give women a free pass. They need to earn your respect and your trust just like you need to earn theirs. Throw out your own shittests. Dont overinvest yourself or show your full hand, ever. Be steady. Be consistent. If youve got nothing to work toward, work toward consistency in good habits. It's easy to slip and lose frame, lose confidence, lose a mentality you build yourself up for. Invest in that. Longterm. Invest in you.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 35 points36 points  (5 children)

I have a "Plate Emeritus" who I used to have a lot of fun with. She was super smart, as in "med school" smart, but really damaged. She was bi, and always down for some girl-girl-Vasya action, which meant I kept her around longer than I should have. And she could be fun to be with. She was my N.Y. Eve date two years ago, and we had a great time.

The problem is, she is completely toxic. If I had ever been "in love" with her, or given her exclusivity, she could have really created a lot of drama for me.

So I dumped her. She's been back a few times, to try to learn more from it, but I keep telling her, "Look. I've been in bad relationships, and this is a bad relationship." The real problem is her, of course, but it wouldn't be useful to tell her that.

You can either figure that out early, or you can pay your ex. $48.6M to go away. As Paul McCartney said, after his divorce from Heather Mills: "There'll be no more nagging, no more chaos, no more Heather — bliss. I have peace at last."

Reminds me of the old joke: "You know why divorce is so expensive? Because it's worth it."

[–]Cunt_Robber 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yeah man, i've also come to conclude that as a man it's your peace of mind women have the aptitude to severely fuck with. And at the end of an altercation with a woman, you oddly, incredulously find yourself at fault. Smh

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And at the end of an altercation with a woman, you oddly, incredulously find yourself at fault.

Well, you ARE the "grown up" in that situation. Unfair but true. Once I'd come to the conclusion I'd made "too many" allowances for her, I punted. Sanity and fortune intact.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A gold miner suffered a terrible accident in the mines, and lost a leg. A friend visted in the hospital to console him. The injured man said, "Who needs a one legged gold digger?"

"Paul McCartney?"

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, those crazy hot bi girls, they always manage to get their visas in Plateland extended far past the usual regulations, somehow...

[–]failingtheturingtest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no, they're booting me out. Let me distract them with the mere suggestion of another sheila in the bedroom.

[–]Buchloe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really important. I think being raised by single mothers, women teachers, and just the climate of our society has made it extremely easy for many of us to feel ashamed and bottle up what we REALLY want in life for ourselves, because we think it's wrong. We put others first and try exhaustively not to ruffle feathers. Gotta get over this, be really honest with ourselves and accept no shame from others

[–]AvengerSentinel 30 points31 points  (13 children)

Great post.

Think about it...if a guy is approaching 5 different women a day for a month...that's 140 women. Let's say only 2% of those women want to screw him. That's 2-3 women a month who are going to want to fuck his brains out.

And if a guy is fit, grooms himself, and lives a genuinely interesting life, there's no way his hit rate will be as low as 2%. Even with a 7% hit rate, that's 7 different chicks he'll be banging a month (which puts him at the VERY far right of the bell curve when it comes to getting laid).

Just like /u/VasiliyZaitzev said in another post, "90% of men's problems with women have to do with them depending on only one woman for their source of pussy".

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 14 points15 points  (12 children)

You're right, and with decent game you can do better 2% easily doing cold approaches.

I stack the deck, I watch then for signs of interest and only approach those with intent to fuck. The rest I simply practice my banter with zero intent, sometimes I hit a shy one, but usually I'm taking to everyone, including fat and ugly chicks. Practice makes proficient.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (11 children)

I've moved to my dream city this week after 5 years of forced family slavery. I'm so Fucking happy right now and I just see hot (I consider 5's hot, sue me) women everywhere. I'm not very attractive but I want to start some day game while I'm in this epiphany phase.

What the fuck do I open with? Saw some girls I liked yesterday who I could have opened but I just can't think of shit to say. Social skills are also pretty rusty.

[–]iteal 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Opener which works for me most of the time:


[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (9 children)

This is good. What do you follow it with?

[–]BreathOfDick 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Normal conversation. Best example is observe something about your surroundings and talk about it. Make it creative, not the weather. Don't read all the complicated game bullshit until you're really comfortable having a plain conversation with them.

Once you see how fun teasing and flirting are compared with normal conversation, it will come out naturally

[–]iteal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. This. THIS!

At first you will probably have some diffiulties talking about random stuff, but with time it get's easier. It almost feels like you an talk to anyone about anything at that point. A thing I learned late was that you CANNOT forget to show intent. It's fun and all to talk to random people, especially girls. Your goal is to get laid tho, so keep that in mind.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well, just for example, i saw one girl yesterday who i saw looking at me while waiting for the subway. Then we got off the train together and we both started walking the wrong way, and both realised at the same time and started walking the correct way (to get another train).

This was a good time to open her but i just chickened out because i didn't know what the fuck to say. Most people here are rushing somewhere and usually miserable. I'm walking around like a crazy mofo just fucking happy im here.

The only way i can imagine opening someone right now is asking where X or Y is. I'm not good looking enough to just walk over and be like "sup", a question seems like the best opener.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This was a good time to open her but i just chickened out because i didn't know what the fuck to say.


But to pull this off it has to be really obviously a put on.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, she'd think I was a fucking manic. If we'd had more blatant eye contact maybe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Agreed entirely....but I'm curious, do you get close enough to them for them to smell your breath?

[–]yaardi 0 points1 point  (2 children)

to smell your breath

Only if it smells like gun powder and tobacco.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

comment was directed at u/BreathOfDick

[–]BreathOfDick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man that confused me. Whoosh

[–]plenty_of_eesh 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Fave part: the double-CC... From Cock Carousel to Cat Colonist

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

It's kind of sad, really. Men and women were, for the most part, made for each other. The influence of a poison ideology has really fucked things up over the last few decades.

[–]GermanScrewdriver 1 point2 points  (5 children)

maybe stupid question: what's a cat colonist?

[–]sekerzitski points points [recovered]

Lonely post-wall hag living with 4+ cats.

[–]Oz70NYC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I plated one a year ago. Fucked her 2 times and bolted. She was cute...HB6 with a huge rack that defied her age (fresh against the wall).

Don't judge me dammit.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even the cat colonists are getting dick. They're just not getting commitment. Hence the cats.

[–]GermanScrewdriver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! In hindsight it's pretty obvious :)

[–]joh2141 4 points5 points  (17 children)

I started feeding some stray cats near my place. Trying to get them neutered so I won't be awoken every 2 hours at night. Am I cat colonist?

[–]Battle-Scars 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, you should sharpen your sniper skills.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (15 children)

You know even a .22 will solve this problem for you.

[–]joh2141 1 point2 points  (11 children)

I live in urban north New Jersey. Can't do that here. Life would be so much simpler though. Best I can do is get them neutered and sent to a shelter.

[–]TominatorXX 1 point2 points  (5 children)

In Chicago they allow feral cat colonies. Very effective at getting rid of the rat problem. Attracts women too. There's organizations that will neuter the cats and chip them at low cost. They even cut the tip of the ear so that animal control knows that this is a colony cat and not to be taken.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Do people get fined for feeding those cats? It's not that cat colonies aren't allowed; it's more of that it's better for them and you. Win-win situation.

[–]TominatorXX 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What's better? Most if not all shelters will kill feral cats because they can live outside and are not friendly. Here, they trap, neuter and release the cats for people who then feed them and keep them as a colony for rat control.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Because if you feed a cat colony they start depending on you and stop hunting for themselves. And at least through a shelter they might get someone who actually wants a cat.

[–]TominatorXX 0 points1 point  (1 child)

  1. You don't get fined for feeding a cat colony.
  2. They don't stop hunting if you feed them.That's a myth. They enjoy hunting; it's sport. But if they're starving they won't have the energy to hunt.
  3. Feral cats will never get adopted at a shelter and shelters won't even take them. People will not adopt a feral cat; they're wild. They're not suitable for pets.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You get fined for feeding cat colonies where I live ($50 for first offense $100 for second) and there aren't much to hunt near where we live. If you feed them, they start to live closer to where you live which has scarcer rodents to hunt off of as opposed to them living where there is more abundance of food.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Since when does a little early evening gunfire raise any eyebrows in northern Jersey. Clearly, you don't live in an "edgy" enough neighborhood.

[–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No I meant I live in too nice a place where people would snitch on me.

[–]goldnhorde 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think you go to your local hole-in-the-wall, grease pit Chinese restaurant. the one that is like every other one and has the same huge pictures of Chinese food hanging above the register.

Go there, and while waiting for your food just stop randomly but loudly complaining about "all these cats" and how "they are stray and no one would miss them". maybe a little "they are slow and lazy and would probably be completely unable to evade a pillow case or small net trapping device.

but also add that they "somehow look fattened up and tender".

[–]joh2141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha this is golden right here

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Get a suppressed air rifle or a break-barrel pellet gun. Shoot from inside your house window with some music on and the lights off, a sheet covering the window with only two holes: one for the barrel and a netted one for the scope. Don't poke your barrel out and fire away.

[–]failingtheturingtest 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Fun story. I'll try to make it brief.
There was a neighbourhood cat that kept shitting in our garden. Dad tried many different wives-tale remedies to no avail.
Someone suggested that an air-rifle was a pretty good deterrent, and at range, they won't kill it.
So dad borrowed an (high-velocity) air-rifle from a hunting buddy.
Cat arrived, dad watched it exit down the drive onto the neighbour's roof, air-rifle in hand. Took aim, 'snap', and the surely-hurting-and-scared-as-fuck cat flipped off the roof. Mission accomplished.

Two days later the disabled little girl next door knocked on our door, with her blind mother (I'm not making this shit up) asking if we'd seen her precious little Mittens*. She hadn't come home the last few days.

The following day they returned to let us know that we needn't keep an eye out for Mittens anymore, she has passed on. However, to be on the lookout for some sicko in the neighbourhood who is shooting cats.

Turns out, the type of air-rifle was important, as the one we borrowed was designed to kill small game (rabbits, etc.), therefore had the force to match. Poor little Mittens never stood a chance.

* Cat may not have been called Mittens

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's...sort of awful. Disabled kid and blind mother. Your dad might end ups serving some time in Purgatory for that.

[–]Woopzah 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Can you please not confront me like this?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 31 points32 points  (3 children)

You don't need a "safe space". You need a "Brave space".

[–]johnsonsson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

brilliant. this wordplay might become something big in the next years.

[–]swift_phoenix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Uncle Vasya strikes again! Dope ass shit. Just started going horizontally with tinder and Coffee Meets Bagel. In 8 messages setup a date with a good looking pathology resident at my medical campus. The weekend is booked.
Edit: Grammar (date not data)

[–]VIICHYVALOIS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I fucking out loud, well done.

Freedom space has nice ring to it

[–]disgruntledearthling 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'll read anything by Uncle Vasya. Even his grocery shopping list

[–]akatsukirp 10 points11 points  (5 children)

One thing I'm learning is say you're not sure if a girl is interested or not because logistically you haven't been able to meet up (on both sides) for say 3 weeks. Red flag. Next and keep it horizontal. If a girl is interested, it will happen and fast.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

If a girl is interested, it will happen and fast.


OTOH, if it keeps not happening, then it's not going to happen.

[–]Wumpus1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

sometimes it's worth running through the last couple weeks of texts and throwing out a couple hail marries, then deleting their number.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sure, as long as you are not over-investing in one woman.

[–]Wumpus1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

**last couple weeks of approaching girls and their numbers so at least 10-15. One might bite, who knows.

[–]caucasianinasia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Brad Pitt rule works really good.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Good post but how does a guy who works at an office 60 hours a week cold approach 5 girls a day in a way that will result in getting numbers?

I mean, just stop some girl walking down the street? Ok. Not sure I can pull that off while out at lunch near my company with my coworkers around without getting called a PUA style freak.

Also, the notion that long term gaming doesn't work is false. I've pulled it off many times. It may not be efficient but sometimes you don't really have a choice.

Sure you could randomly approach chicks on the street, bus at a restaurant, whatever but even then - are you going to walk up to a table or 6 girls and pick one to interrupt their meal and chat up? What about a girl with a guy that may be a boyfriend or may be a brother? Do you just roll the dice?

What about a girl with her headphones on in the bus that any non-autistic would read as not being in the mood to talk?

I'd seriously like examples of some guy that isn't already a Chad getting away with this cold approach stuff on a daily basis multiple times a day.

I guess my point is for all the talk about "just approach!" - the reality is you still need to pick your shots. There's not much discussion about how to effectively do that.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

how does a guy who works at an office 60 hours a week cold approach 5 girls a day in a way that will result in getting numbers?

If you are working 60 hours a week in an office, week in and week out, you need to ask yourself some fundamental questions about your life that have nothing to do with women.

how does a guy who works at an office 60 hours a week cold approach 5 girls a day in a way that will result in getting numbers?

Fake excuse #1

N.B. My point was about not over-investing. How many approaches you do in what time period is up to you.

Also, the notion that long term gaming doesn't work is false.

On average, it's not a winning strategy, and is faaar more likely to end in a murder-suicide than if the guy has abundance mentality and isn't afraid to approach. Look, if you want to wait around for that One Special GirlTM to give you some pussy 12 months from now, by all means, go ahead.

are you going to walk up to a table or 6 girls and pick one to interrupt their meal and chat up?

Fake excuse #2

What about a girl with a guy that may be a boyfriend or may be a brother?

Fake Excuse #3

Do you just roll the dice?

Sure, if you have the balls for it. I'm in my 40s. Number of times I have had the shit beat out of me because I approached "someone else's woman": 0.

Walk up, ask them if they're together, how they know each other, whatever to get the convo rolling. If it's her brother then they're probably not fucking and you might have a shot. Tip: befriend the guy.

What about a girl with her headphones on in the bus that any non-autistic would read as not being in the mood to talk?

Fake excuse #4.

I'd seriously like examples of some guy that isn't already a Chad getting away with this cold approach stuff on a daily basis multiple times a day.

What do you mean "getting away with"? If you approached a lot, you are going to get rejected a lot. That's how shit is. Get over it. You know who gets rejected a lot? Guys who get laid the most, because those guys are approaching.

I'd seriously like examples of some guy that isn't already a Chad getting away with this cold approach stuff on a daily basis multiple times a day.

Look, I could follow you around and tell you what to say, like Cyrano de Begerac, and you can keep making up excuses, like "What if I'm a 97 year old kissless virgin midget with a hunchback and a lazy eye? What then? And what if I live on a desert island with No Women Around? CHECKMATE MOTHERFUCKER!!!"

I don't care if you approach 50 women a week or 5 or 1. Too many dudes get caught up over-investing in that One "Special" Girl, and then wind up bitter and pissed off. If a chick isn't into you because she's got a bf, or she's gay, or she's really, really into listening to Queens of the Stone Age on her iPod, then don't waste your time.

The real waste of time, of course, is making up excuses. The guy who approaches will succeed, over time, while "The Moment Wasn't Right" takes the bus home and jacks off. It's up to you which one to be.

[–]throwaway-aa2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The headphone one is easy. You make eye contact, squint a little bit like you have a question, while miming taking earbuds out of your own ears. 99.9% of girls will take off the ear buds.

Here's the thing: if you do well, she won't have too much of a problem with you bothering her. Plenty of times I've had people come up and interrupt me listening to music on the train or something. If they are pleasant, make a joke, give a compliment that will make my day, then the initial annoyance of taking me out of my zone is appreciated.

So your job is to get good enough where you can get past this barrier... Because then, you are making her day. Then, it almost becomes rude of you to not interrupt her, and other women, because you are providing value. There will be the occasional sour girl but who cares about their feelings anyway.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I opened a girl using "fake sign language" once. Had a bit of smirk on my face. Dumbest opening move, ever. But she took her earbuds out and engaged with me. She asked if I was really signing, and I said some version of "No, I just wanted to talk to you."

Now could she have ignored me? Sure. Could she have asked, sarcastically, "Are you having a seizure?" Sure. But if you don't approach because you think those are "certainties" then you're not going to succeed at all.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

60 hours per week? How about you first start getting a life, caring less about your employer and more about yourself? If you need cash, cut down on your costs. Improve your skills, apply for positions with better conditions. You are just fucking yourself by believing you will build a career by working 60+ hours per week. You will only build a career if you decide to fuck that corporate crap and think about yourself. Noone ever said "You're a hard worker, have a promotion". Instead "He does his mundane job right, let's keep him right there".

[–]king_of_red_alphas 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well you guys are definitely are correct in pointing out why it's dangerous to be engage in excuse making when it comes to talking a I girls.

Just tonight, I was at Trader Joe's and saw a girl that almost made my heart stop. Near perfection. Nerdy but pretty face, cute style with glasses and her ass. Dear god her ass. She had bell bottom jeans and had long lean legs but a fucking insane bubble butt. I was like a deer in the headlights.

So I pass her a few times in the store and and in my mind I'm looking for a sign. Anything literally to give me an opening. She doesn't make eye contact at all. I just can't bring myself to walk up to her and say some bullshit when the reality is I just want to take her home and fuck her from behind.

I see her leave and still get no IOI. I see her drive away and her perfect ass is now seared into my memory.

The thing is, even objectively I can't think of any way to approach this girl without at least a little opening ( a smile, a glance, anything)

I guess my threshold is some kind of plausible IOI but that is hamstering I realize.

How do you guys handling approaching at grocery stores? It seems like I end up in this situation every other time I'm shopping.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Assuming you have absolutely zero else to go on, walk over. Say, "Hi, my name is king_of_red_alphas. What's your name?" If you want say something like "I saw you and and I thought, 'I'd like to meet her'" Make up some bullshit about how she has great posture if you have to. You just need something between "tongue-tied" and "Dat AZZ!!! Dat Azz looks like it was manufactured in an underground lab in Switzerland by my favorite Jewish doctor, Dr. Finetush!" You need to lay some groundwork for that, unless she's Slavic, in which case commenting on her gluteal perfection counts as foreplay.

I might have caught her eye and then said, "Well hello there, Little Red Riding Hood", with a sly look in my face. For whatever reason, that always gets girls to laugh or at least smile. I think I can get away with it because I'm an older guy. /shrugs

And anyone might say, "But those are LAME!" Any one of them - ANY - gets her talking to to you. So even if someone thinks they're lame, tell us again how walking around waiting for a Sign from God worked.

I think, for a lot of guys, it's a fear of success, as much as a fear of rejection. So long as you don't approach, you will never be rejected, and you can live in a Dream Machine fantasy, walking hand in hand on a white sand beach at sunset,1 maybe with some Spandau Ballet playing in the fucking background. Approach and get rejected, and that little dream that distracts you from the horror of existence is snuffed out.

But what if you succeed? Whatever you do, don't turn into this guy. Then it'll be "Holy fuck, how do I make this work? Neg, neg, compliment, neg, tap left on the joystick twice and....Oh, FUCK!"

But if you walk away, and never say anything, then nothing "bad" can happen. Of course some other guy who actually went up and talked to her will be plowing that tuchus instead of you, but you will be safe from pain, off on an island, because and island never cries.

"Seize the Moment" gets the girl. Or doesn't, but at least he knows. "The Moment Wasn't Right" takes the bus home, jacks off and wonders about "what might have been?"

1 And really, when you have some deep thinking to do and you want to get out of the house, go down to the beach at sunset, because there will be fucking NOBODY there.

[–]Redpill1591 points points [recovered]

I'm definitely not a "nice guy", and in fact act like kind of an asshole occasionally, and it seems to work with a lot of chicks. However, I know two chicks who seem to dig the opposite and are of substantially higher SMV than the chicks it works on.

One of them is dating a guy who she was "just friends with" for years. This chick is one of those super liberal types who had no issue explaining to me that after her boyfriend (now ex boyfriend, cheated on her multiple times and then dumped her) broke up with her she "jumped from dick to dick all summer" (her words) and then ended up with a guy who she's been dating since august. They seem to be surprisingly happy, which perplexes me, as this guy is a "nice guy" down to the letter. About 6'0, skinny fat, glasses, future STEM major and who, according to her, tells her whenever she sends him nudes "thanks, but that isn't what I love you for". Keep in mind this chick has also dated some legit scumbags before.

Other chick has essentially the same story, although she either hasn't ridden the CC yet or didn't tell me about it and never really dated anyone beforehand.

Am I missing something here? Neither of the guys they're dating are of particularly high SMV (decent looks wise but total losers) and are a good 5 points lower on the SMV scale than their GFs despite also being "nice guys".

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 22 points23 points  (5 children)

One of them is dating a guy who she was "just friends with" for years.

...for years. Check.

she "jumped from dick to dick all summer" (her words)

Well, summer is the best time to ride the cock carousel, I suppose. And spring break.

They seem to be surprisingly happy, which perplexes me, as this guy is a "nice guy" down to the letter.

Sure. And things are great for him...for now. Once she's bored with Billy Beta, though, he's toast. Or maybe they get married and have five kids and she never cheats and faithfully gargles his nutsack every week.

Am I missing something here?

Well, you might be a little OCD, but other than that, I don't think so.

Put another way, if I were to say, "Men are generally taller than women," you might say "But Uncle Vasya, Britney Griner of the WNBA is 6'9"! That's waaaay taller than most guys!" And you would be correct, it is way taller than most guys, but it doesn't obviate the general rule.

Now, some women will opt out of the CC early (as one of your examples has done...for now) or some won't ride it at all--there will always be asymmetrical people, but let's face it, if being a "Nice Guy" was a winning sexual strategy, then TRP would have posts like, "Skinny Fat: How Do I Lose My Abs And Become The Doughboy She Lusts After?" and "Holding Her Purse While We're Shopping: How Do I Look Only 'Sort-of' Gay?"

[–]BreathOfDick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOL those post titles. Holy fuck.

[–]TomFoo points points [recovered]

Christ on protein, I used to actually write articles like that. Sort of.

[–]CalfReddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bravo man, cool titles haha

[–]flashbang123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They seem to be surprisingly happy, which perplexes me, as this guy is a "nice guy" down to the letter.

I guarantee she has also had five different dicks in her mouth since August.

[–]detachedbymarriage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Society has pushed this in this age of sensivitive men. I have noticed this is in the younger groups. It was not that way when I was early 20's...at all.

Their biological needs will fail them in the end.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The exception is NOT the rule.

The world is full of marvels and anomalies, yet we must actuate conforming to the 99% possibility, not the 1% miracle.

[–]billredditbill points points [recovered]

You made it clear that new readers are the target audience so I'm not refuting your post with this. A hard stance on thinking horizontally is sometimes necessary to get out of that nice guy worldview and helps you fake it till you make it into the abundance mentality.

It just made me think down the road though and there's another post to be made for the next tier of thought. I think there's a sliding scale from high horizontal:low vertical to a balance of the two where a genuine abundance mentality also mixes with always looking to push vertically with each girl you meet along your horizontal scanning.

And there's a tier beyond that, low horizontal: high vertical where horizontal attention is background and second nature and vertical is where the focus goes. How to close, how to end around difficult shit tests and LMR, etc.

And I would guess almost no man is permanently stuck to any tier. You can be doing everything right and the brain chemistry of consistent sex with the same plate takes over and you grow feelings so you back yourself down to tier one and focus on just scanning horizontally to help yourself get a genuine sense of abundance again.

This got longer than I intended but let me know what you think.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

let me know what you think.

Well, if tweaking my analogy in the way you did is helpful for you, great. Really, you lost me in the 2nd paragraph. By like I say, if it is useful for you, great.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Approaching women and trying to fuck them? That sounds like some PUA bullshit. You should just lift and improve yourself until women magically start lining up to jump on your cock.

[–]Battle-Scars 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, because the age old axiom of men approach, women choose should be completely ignored.

[–]Korbaine 2 points3 points  (10 children)

I understand your overall point, but find it difficult to determine what some of your arguments are due to excessive acronym usage. What started the trend of encrypting posts on reddit anyway? This isn't the only time I've had this problem.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

This isn't the only time I've had this problem.

Maybe, it's you.

LJBF and CC-rider should have been easily picked up from context, and SMV is pretty well-known on TRP.

[–]billredditbill points points [recovered]

Yeah I think the proper noun capitalizing of concepts, types of people, types of scenarios, etc is a good bit. This post was enjoyable to me in large part due to the levity and humor from all the "trademarked" and capitalized concepts but since the audience was new readers, it probably would have been in your best interest to write down to that group. Let out the acronyms on the more nuanced posts.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'm a "walk them to the end of the dock and throw them in the lake" guy. They'll learn how to swim just fine.

Besides, while I write to help younger guys educate themselves, I also write for my own entertainment. Lately, I seem to be fond of: WallSPLAT! It makes me smile. Against boredom, the gods themselves struggle in vain. Or something like that.

[–]franmonkey 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The red pill and the manoshphere community in general tend to use allot of acronyms

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So does the army. What's your point?

[–]franmonkey 0 points1 point  (2 children)

ytf do u have to bring up the army for im just saying its not beginner friendly

[–]EmpReb 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lurk Moar. The real world doesn't come with instruction. All this place is a collection of exp to help you level up faster if you know how.

[–]franmonkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True Members should commitment to trp by at least learning the acronyms but i was just agreeing with u/Korbaine that it could be a bit difficult to read a post without knowing all the acronyms

[–]TedTheAtheist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

And you don’t want that shit, anyway.

Unfortunately I do if she's Indian. :/ My only weak spot.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You probably only want a ride. My one-itis from Back In The Day -- in fairness, she was everyone's one-itis back then -- rang me up and suggested a "relaxing weekend" together. That turned into me plating her for a year. It was a win for her, too, because she was very deeply submissive and I know EXACTLY what to do with submissive girls. So it was a fun trip in the WAYBAC Machine -- as you get older you realize the value of having friendships with people who knew you when you were young -- but NFW was I going to marry her. So don't go off the rails. Keep your options open, and your Indian MILFs on their toes.

[–]TedTheAtheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You probably only want a ride.

Unfortunately I have a real thing for them - not just a ride. I can't help it! :(

Yea, I need to be more careful.

[–]absolucion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's one of those things that piss me off about Western culture. People tell you that women don't owe you anything but she, in turn, is somehow entitled to some amount and combination of your time or money. Your needs and desires aren't more important than her feelings and validation.

I don't know why anyone would ever suggest just settling. We're told not to do it when we're investing money. Why should we do it when it comes to invest money and time?

[–]AlwaysFlank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got rejected last night and gave up. I should've kept trying with more women rather than let my self-worth come from validation from a woman. I kept pondering why but I suppose it's not my problem. Thanks for this post

[–]gregguitarist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've been talking to the same girl on and off for the whole first semester of college, a couple of drunken hookups with her(making out, 2 bjs from others) in between and when she found out about one the OG girl got really pissed off. Idk if I'm in like a weird friend zone bc I haven't fucked her, but I grab her ass and kiss her whenever I see her. Anybody got any ideas? EDIT: the drunken hookups were with a couple of different girls too

[–]Wumpus1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go for it and start feeling her pussy after you grab her ass. "grab her by the pussy" is correct advice in this scenario. You will know how it went pretty fast.

[–]Arie_R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with your bottom line. I feel the same way dating men: they're either interested in me or they're not and I've already got enough friends.

[–]Eyeswears 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's another term for this: lateral thinking. Identifying the premise (chick) and realizing there is another fundamental way to approach the problem (options) or even that the problem is defined wrong (fixation).

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As always Unk...upwards boating.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Escaped Mental Patient

This would make a good band name