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Rant/VentingDON'T GIVE UP! - We're gonna make men great again! (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan

Finding a decent loving girl for a companion is hard as fuck if not a damn near impossibility, shit, I think in our hearts of hearts that this is what the majority of men want but are hard pressed to admit. The reason a lot of guys don't bother actively pursuing these deep kind of relationships with women and have accepted it's probably never going to happen for them is because the average girl, and by average I'm talking 99%+, are not even willing to work on improving themselves either intellectually nor domestically, and nor are they capable of submitting to a man's benevolent authority in which she looks up to and loves her man as her superior.

No, instead they're on this egotistical equalist bullshit which doesn't work and simply makes them less desirable to even be around by dismerit of the insolence and poor behaviour that results from a woman who believes herself to be equal, if not superior to her man. And hear me brothers, hear me clearly when I say that equalism is the gateway to tyranny rather then benevolent superiority when a woman and not a man inhabits the role. Such a thing serves as little other than a stepping stone on the path to dysfunction and chaos, and such a thing is hardly a sustainable way of life even if it were desirable. Equalism and its subsequent psychological androgyny are true perversions.

I am hardly fervently religious, I have no religious education nor indoctrination, however I have taken it upon myself to read parts of the bible of my own accord, and I believe religion got it right when it said women should worship men, men should not worship women.

This is not misogynistic nor oppressive as the average idiot has been misled to believe. It is the natural order of things in so much as it is the most effective model for happiness within the family unit across a society. Men love down by sacrificing, women love up by worshipping. To worship is to respect an authority, love it, and follow it - that's all it is, nothing more, nothing less. How sad is it that such wisdom has become a taboo lost to the common sense of the common man? Did God not sacrifice for his children? Does a man not sacrifice for his woman? Then why can't a woman find God in her man and worship him as is necessary in the way man was able to reward God's sacrifice for him? It seems the collapse of religion has not only lead to man's loss of faith in God, but women's subsequent loss of faith in man. The latter is absolutely decimating the emotional and moral essence of our fair society. To reframe this order as evil and oppressive is such a disingenuous inversion of healthy family values it makes me sick to even think about. I have no desire to get into religious or metaphysicial philosophical discussions about whether God exists or not, all I know is faith is important, and women who do not know how to have faith by worshipping a strong man are unmarriagable.

And the so-called progressives will say "what's wrong with mutual respect?" like the absolute retards that they are. They know nothing of love. Love is not based on mutual respect. Love is based on mutual care, women care when they can respect your hardness, men care when they fall in love with your softness. An equal woman is not a soft woman, nor a desirable woman, nor a woman man wants to protect, nor a woman one is willing to endure, and thusly she is not a woman in anything but the physical sense of the word to a man.

Regardless, if you can't have all that shit, if you can't have the loving loyal chick that hasn't slutted it up and that's the shit you want, and then you furthermore realise most women are just so fucking devoid of any relational potential, average women are not going to attract you on a mental, emotional or psychological level. Merely physically. And that's where the union ends, sad as it is, for there is so much more we are capable of as a species, and yet we have had this denied us due to the toxic fruits of the feminist tree.

Women have, via feminism, in the hubristic and bigoted belief that they deserve to be equal to rather than beneath man, devalued their value as emotional entities and are increasingly seen as good for nothing more than their physical worth - a fuck - because after all, if you don't cultivate your personality, if you are not humble, if you are not soft, if you are not submissive, nor accommodating, nor pleasant beyond your immediate physical attractiveness, what is there exactly to like about you? A man doesn't want to be in a relationship with an insolent little girl who can't accept her place in the natural order and tries to foolishly compete with, rather than complement her man. By behaving as a man and trying to compete as a man, she devalues herself in the eyes of man.

Funnily enough women are there on the flipside moaning "why wont men commit to me" after they have fucked countless men for a decade if not more, and are simultaneously incapable of giving up the feminist bullshit and the constituent boyish masculinism and narcissism it has imbued them with.

We live in a very sick culture. It's not fair this is the fucking legacy our ancestors left us with their bullshit 60's/70's movement, but these are the pieces we've been left to pick up. And a lot of us are going to self-destruct trying to cope with it, but cope with it we must. Just know that, as a man, even though you are alone because the voice of a good woman is more likely to be the song of a siren than the voice of a woman who is actually pure of heart and intent, you are not alone by yourself. We are all fucked with this shit, we are all alone, men as a near universal collective share the concern that you do, that there are no good women, and it's either vapid superficial sex with narcissistic bitches, a life as a beta cuck, or a life of celibacy with no desirable mid-point in sight.

We live in trying times, tough times, hard times. But hard times make hard men and hard men make good times, so I think, you know, if we keep on doing what we're doing, we can be less shit, we'll make other men less shit, we'll all become fucking great again.. and then and only then, when we're so fucking badass the dumb bitches will forgo their programming to lock down what they perceive to be an apex male of a man.. block by block.. family by family.. we will rebuild society. HOWEVER, and this is a big however, it wont be like the society of old where betas aplenty got to have happy marriages under the guidance of god and marriage.

Not even religious people get that now because of the feminist poison. I don't want to name names because I'm a discreet man and marriage wrecking is not my thing, but I've had a so-called Christian girl talking dirty to me in the Twitter DMs some time back. As much as that gets my cock hard, it makes me fucking weep to think her husband who slaves away to give them a home has an insolent straying bitch hitting up random red pill writers on the internet. No. Any future society we rebuild will be a society of alphas with a strong pimp hand keeping their bitches in line, who are in turn, thankful they're being kept in line instead of allowed to run feral into their own soul-destroying promiscuous infertility.

I truly believe if we can make men great again, we can make women great again too. But not in the reverse order. Women are followers. They will do sweet fuck all of their own accord, and we'll have to drag them kicking and screaming out of the abyss they are oh so degenerately enchanted by.


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[–][deleted] 192 points193 points  (72 children)

Who knows what future brings, but what I'm seeing now isn't promising at all. Expectations from men are bigger than ever, while expectations from women are smaller than ever.

Social media is inflating women's egos too much. Sites like Facebook and Instagram etc are validation machines for these women. All they hear day in and day out is how beautiful they are from beta white knights, and now we're dealing with a generation of women who think they are at least 2 points higher on the looks scale than they actually are. What's more, you have sites/apps like Tinder giving women access to a way bigger pool of prospective partners and now she can hand select according to her strict specifications. This means something as minor as having the wrong eye color is enough to get you passed on.

At the same time, men must demand absolutely no performance from a woman. Most girls in early 20s that I've met don't even know how to make a soup. They are associating cooking with "male oppression" and will expect from you to cook, or take her to the restaurant. Would any sane man consider this a LTR material? What can she offer that other girls can't? You're expected to have your own apartment, your own car, a degree, a well paying job, money, and allow her to access to all those things. But, all she can offer is her pussy and nothing more than that. Well, too bad, other 3.75 billion women on Earth have pussy as well, why the hell you think your pussy is special? It's female solipsism and feminist indoctrination that don't allow them to think reasonable. You're not a special snowflake.

I'm investing my money in cat food companies stocks and I'll enjoy watching this world crashing down in a few decades.

[–]jakeecio 45 points46 points  (34 children)

Absolutely true. What value does such woman add to your or my life. They are just a pathetic parasite.

Not only in America my friend, the situation is the same in traditional India.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (10 children)

So this is a world-wide phenomena. I'm in Europe. Future is screwed.

[–]jakeecio 4 points5 points  (8 children)

But there were indeed great woman from 60's, 70's and 80's.

[–]madme99 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Africa citizen , and i confirm, it's so screwed down here

[–]jakeecio 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Which continents are remaining now ?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Antarctica. It is the place where the life will start again from scratch.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Or from the revolt deep inside the cum and joke mines of Mars.

[–]jakeecio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The universe.....Ha ha ha . I liked it...

[–]angryguy4444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

France is contaminated too.

[–]angryguy4444 0 points1 point  (1 child)

you mean those that pushed the feminist agenda in the first place?

[–]jakeecio 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No not the 3rd wave. There are great woman who refuse to get stung by the feminism. But always beware AWALT.

[–]mofono 21 points22 points  (5 children)

I actually traveled to Asia hoping to find a woman who was not infected by feminism, but what I found were women infected by traditionalism, which is just as bad. Traditionalists expect a man to work 100 hours a week like a slave just so he can hand over all his money to the woman who then proceeds to shop for shoes and handbags. She then breeds like crazy to produce children whose sole purpose is to enslave the man.

Sex is the bait, marriage is the chain, a child is the black iron balls shackled to a man's legs, and the threat of divorce is the whip that extracts the man's resources. Slavery was never abolished. It has merely evolved. There is only one option left for a man, and that option is MGTOW.

[–]GoinMyWay 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Your post perfectly sums up why mist men are as deluded as most women when it comes to pre-feminist times. Women think that women were enslaved and oppressed en-masse, and men think that women were these delicate, precious waifs who would do whatever they wanted.

Men have always been worked from cradle to grave, and now women get to join us in that pleasure. Oh well. It's still a better time than ever to be a man!

Just out of personal curiosity, what did you go to Asia hoping or expecting to find exactly?

[–]mofono 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I traveled to Asia hoping to find a loyal, beautiful, slender, traditional wife. Then I realized I didn't want that after all.

[–]TalesAbound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So sad that it has come to this.

[–]okiedokie321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you're a BB with no game, Asia is great for that. Personally, not my thing, especially to be enslaved which most of the women there want.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (15 children)

My wife works hard, brings in an additional 40K in income in addition to my 75K in income. You guys just suck ass at picking the right women. Stop fucking settling for these "pathetic parasite" women. Do some actual searching and find a smart, educated, logical women cause guess what? THEY EXIST. This red pill shit is toxic and will just make you hate women cause you can't be fucking bothered o actually try to find a suitable partner. You just think cause you got an average sized cock and a BS degree that you should be fawned over by DD super models and the like. Fuck this subreddit is sad.

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    [–]jakeecio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I exactly thought and did as you mentioned and did find the right woman. That is what I though. The TRP gives you the understanding as to what happens. It is just your turn.

    [–]mofono 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    My wife works hard, brings in an additional 40K in income in addition to my 75K in income.

    Your wife gives you her 40K income?

    [–]BaxterTheDog2787 14 points15 points  (10 children)

    I always think it's odd when guys are so thrilled to be dating the cute girl from the coffee stand who is in her late 20's and not even like finishing a degree or something more substantive. I see this kind of relationship as a drain and a burden on what I've worked so hard to amass and create over time. It's a breath of fresh air to enter this thread and see that not the entire demographic of men are content to just settle for something that looks decent as opposed to a driven and contributing woman that can give respect as well as demand it.

    [–]I-AM-NOT-RACIST-BUT 8 points9 points  (9 children)

    I only mess with chicks that have a degree and some sort of career. If they're already paying their own bills, then they're less likely to view me as their meal ticket. Idk why other dudes don't do the same and then they complain about gold diggers.

    [–]Returnofthemack3 3 points4 points  (7 children)

    I feel like a lot of dudes shoot lower because women in the higher social strata tend to be pickier. Lets not kid ourselves here, higher status women are very selective, and weed out most guys

    [–]I-AM-NOT-RACIST-BUT 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    True, but if you nab that career woman as she hits 30, she'll already know she can't be as picky. Plus one of my goals is to be DINK and retire early... I'm pragmatic.

    [–]okiedokie321 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    You don't care if she's been dicked around?

    [–]I-AM-NOT-RACIST-BUT 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    I'm not holding my breath for a virgin. It's just not practical. That being said, would I rather someone who's been "dicked around" that makes 75k per year and stock options, or someone who's been "dicked around" and makes minimum wage with no life goals other than getting married?

    [–]okiedokie321 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Obviously the former.

    What if she has low n-count or is a virgin, early 20s, and has aspiring goals? Would that change your choice or no?

    [–]I-AM-NOT-RACIST-BUT 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Investing in startups is risky. If the company succeeds, initial investors can expect exponential return on their investment. But if the company fails, your investment vanishes. That's the gamble. There are "blue chip" companies that have a proven track record and usually offer consistent dividends, but there's not the potential for an exponential upside. It's not a sexy gamble.

    Do I begrudge women for flocking to the doctors, lawyers and pro athletes instead of the struggling grad student or basement entrepreneur? One side is an investment with a proven track record, the other is the possibility of ROI down the line.

    So my answer is... maybe? I'm not a sucker for physical looks, homemaking skills, n count, or a certain educational background. I take it all into account and weigh their potential to contribute to my life and goals and my potential to contribute to their life and goals. I'm probably dissimilar to the majority of subscribers around here.

    [–]okiedokie321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    True, you are more of a relationship man who wants an equal but is mindful of TRP.

    [–]Pondscumesq 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Investing in cat food companies. That made me LoL and feel sad all at once.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

    not familiar enough with the US society as I've only been there for a couple of years, and San Fran + NYC are liberal bubbles (hellhole is more appropriate for SF)

    seems to me that the conservative/Republican women aren't that bad. Can't say I've met one single LTR material though. But I don't expect it to be easy.

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      [–]Enlightened_Chimp 19 points20 points  (4 children)

      Fucking left wing girls is an annoying process though cause you have to listen to the bullshit that comes out of their mouth for a non-negligible amount of time.

      [–]Westernhagen 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      There is NO kind of girl where you won't have to listen to crazy bullshit for a non-negligible amount of time. It's just different bullshit if they're not left-wing.

      [–]sh0ckley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I have zero evidence to the contrary, and believing this statement to be true actually makes it easier to plan an awesome life without wasting any time looking for fairy tales.

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        [–]Westernhagen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Not all of us are lucky enough to be married to Nova from Planet of the Apes. (Best Wife Ever - smoking hot, and can't talk.)

        [–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        While it might be definitely easier it is playing without a safety net, and the rope you are walking on is on fire. False rape accusations as far as I have them observed in the media are mainly made up by lefty girls.

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          [–]flyercomet 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          I'm one year ahead of you and I feel the same. I was looking through the past 6 years in pictures last night to find something. While perusing I noticed the shape of my face changed as I age, for the better. Angles sharpened and became more masculine. Who was it that said "A man's face is his autobiography, a woman's face is her fiction"? It rings true.

          [–]The_Best_01 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          I'm investing my money in cat food companies stocks and I'll enjoy watching this world crashing down in a few decades.

          It's going to come crashing down a lot sooner than that. But don't worry, we will rebuild. And create a better, less pretentious society.

          Btw, invest in gold, biotech, clean energy, and maybe weed if it's legal where you are.

          [–]Theunforgiven193 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I'm happy I don't live in america. Although you guys do have some beautifull nature.

          [–]theONE843663 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Cat and dog food. But dog food especially cuz dogs tend to have bigger dicks than cats.

          [–]mofono 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Well said. Unless you meet the 666 requirements (6 pack, 6 feet tall, and 6 figure income), you're just wasting your time and money, and even if you meet the 666 requirements, you are still wasting your time and money.

          Keep your money to yourself. Go your own way.

          [–]logicalthinker1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Just imagine when we invent sex robots that are as good as women. Who the fuck would put up with all the bullshit of women when your robot will bang you whenever and then cook for you?

          [–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Feminists are already up in arms on that issue. Taking away their only value... this gotta be degenerate.

          http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/15/sex-robots-campaign.html

          [–]Sandman616 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm investing my money in cat food companies stocks and I'll enjoy watching this world crashing down in a few decades.

          This is a brilliant investing tip!

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This post hit me to my core.. I've gotten to the point where I only associate with women for physical necessity. It's been like this for the past year.

          The girl I had over today, the first thought that came to my mind after two sessions was "alright, now get the fuck out of here."

          It has been like this for all the girls I've been with for the last year. Maybe it was because I ended a 2 year relationship about a year ago.. or I've become a cynical asshole ha. I just don't see women that would be worth making a commitment to

          [–]suske127 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Women have abundance. Men need that. Time we devise a plan to get it

          [–]francisco_DANKonia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Cat food is usually held by food corporations and cat food does little for their bottom lines. Invest in Netflix, another outlet for feminists.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Expectations from men are bigger than ever, while expectations from women are smaller than ever.

          Fortunately, the expectations from women are up to men.

          At the same time, men must demand absolutely no performance from a woman.

          Per above, no: what to demand from women is up to us. The female psyche is simple, it always vies for more while ultimately bending to reflect the reality of what it's been given. Ergo, being sane or reasonable just isn't required.

          Even in the most liberal-infested shitholes (read: SF/LA in California) it isn't out of the ordinary to run into attractive women who'll gladly do women things for you if you fuck 'em okay and aren't a chump. Source: personal experience.

          The standards are lower than they've ever been on both sides of the equation. You can whine about it (no offense), but that IS what your post is, or you can do a very small amount of work and start benefiting from this situation.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 155 points156 points  (38 children)

          Great post, but I don't think men can be made great again, at least in our lifetimes. Some men can be made great, and these men will join the top % ers, the elites who already occupy the tip top of the pyramid. But very few men will ever be capable or willing to do what's required to get there.

          Women are only what we require them to be - they are only as good as they have to be to keep men. Men are only as good as they have to be to survive in their environment. If their environment is comfortable and easy and over-saturated with quick entertainment, they will be unformed masses of blubbering beta trash. If you "got" a free woman who was loyal to you to your death just for graduating high school, most men would never accomplish a single thing in their lives.

          Society was good. Life in 60s-90s America was a fucking dream. It bred a soft generation of pussies.

          Now society is bad. Life is shit if you're poor, your sex life is shit if you're not alpha, women behave like spoilt ADHD children and require you to essentially raise and reshape them if you want them to behave like adults. It sucks.

          But as the Bernie Sanders crowd chants, the 1% is doing better than ever. And they are. There has never been a better time to be a rich playboy. The Bernie Bros are delusional, yes, in their idea that the 1% are evilly conspiring behind back rooms to keep the poors in chains. Just like guys may think these asshole jocks and alphas are taking great pleasure at hogging up all the pussy for themselves. That is not true - they frankly just don't give a singular fuck about you. The fat cats are not trying to prevent you from making money - they'll help you make a lot of money if you can make them money. The Chads would love to have you in their clique if you can pull your weight and be socially proofed, so as to elevate their status and increase their access to pussy.

          But the Bernie crowd is right that the top of the pyramid are living better while the rest are living worse.

          That's why I think in my own opinion, TRP should be about one thing. There's no other point as I see it, and I find it difficult to respect people in real life who can't understand this. TRP should be about climbing to the top of the pyramid, because life when you're not on the top is shit. If you're not willing to climb, go kill yourself.

          That's the end-all, be-all, that's what man is meant to do. We all must climb the best we can, and remember that the people on top don't want to keep you down. The people on the bottom want to keep you down. No alpha ever was upset that some other dude was getting pussy - only betas were threatened and insecure by his success.

          If you believe you can change society, fine. Go change it, go put up your mens rights signs in your college campus and ostracize yourself by "red pilling" your friends. Go deny yourself pussy because it's beneath you to fuck some slut who's cheating on her boyfriend. Do what you want to do. You can change society - it's doable - but you have to risk waisting your life achieving nothing for a very very slight chance of making a very minor difference. People do make a difference, I don't want to rob men of that notion.

          But you can't stand in front of a tsunami. This wave - call it cultural marxism, consumerism + feminism, pussification of men, racist anti-racism, mediocrity, etc - has been building for decades and some of the most powerful companies and controllers of culture have gotten behind it. And it worked. Millions women in pussy hats with every major news channel giving them nothing but positive reinforcement proves that. They've won the culture war.

          You just have to climb the pyramid. Join the elites at the top, it's not that hard. I was up in the PNW last weekend and most men there couldn't make eye contact with women. I saw literal real life cucks out in the open - like not internet cucks or fetishists who whore out their wife on craigslist, but men who openly are cool letting their gf / wife go fuck around, and their friends all know. How hard do you think you'd have to work to be a top 20%er there? What about a top 10? Top 1? Could you become a top 1%er male there in 1 year, probably not, but 5? Probably. Do it.

          I do not believe all TRPers have to think like this, but this is how I have always interpretted TRP and the general idea of life strategy and sexual strategy. If you're not willing to climb the pyramid doing whatever it takes, just fucking kill yourself. Because I've spent time on the bottom and I've spent time moving relatively higher, and when you experience life in "that guy"s shoes, you'd rather be dead than be a beta.

          And when you get higher and higher, you realize that everything does get prettier. Women treat you well. Because you force them to, you create the mold and hold it out, and they force and contort themselves into the mold. Then you get your quality girl - so long as you remain at the top. When you prioritize her, she immediately knows you've lost the selfish drive required to be a top % man, and while she may not instantly lose attraction and respect, the process has begun. The slow leak has started and you won't notice until it's too late.

          That's why you can never forget about the pyramid. I realized this back when OWS started and there was outrage over bankers pouring champagne out their skyscraper window onto the rioting crowd. Everyone was so angry, everyone was talking about joining up with the people on the ground and changing the system and punishing the rich. I asked a different question - how do I join the people up above, the people spilling the champagne. And every time I get upset or outraged about some kind of societal bullshit, I just try to remember that. And that's what I'd urge you all to do whenever you get upset about the state of society or women or men. Don't even look down at them wallowing in the filth like fucking swine. Look up and climb.

          [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

          Everyone was so angry, everyone was talking about joining up with the people on the ground and changing the system and punishing the rich. I asked a different question - how do I join the people up above, the people spilling the champagne.

          It feels so good when you're randomly browsing this sub and someone expresses in a 110% perfect way how I've always felt about social ladder, so thank you for that. The grind is kinda depressing at times though, because you see the huge things you can't access already. Fucking soon.

          [–]poochman 29 points30 points  (4 children)

          They've won the culture war.

          I disagree. A billionaire whose ran beauty pageants, was a regular guest on the Howard Stern Show, starred in Wrestlemania, was recorded jokingly saying he'd grab a chick by the pussy, and whose third and current wife (half his age) modeled nude has just won the presidency. In other words the most non-PC candidate ever beat the most PC candidate ever.

          These women are going nuts because they are losing.

          [–]Troll_Name 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          SJW-ism got dunked from orbit last year.

          "Social justice" is a fake cause built on fake words and fake stories. It's just the disposable soldiers of elite socialists - the robber barons of the modern era, disguising themselves as saints.

          Every single mainstream organization joined the same team, cheated at every possible turn, then that team lost. This means the public is so sick of them that even their trillions of dollars worth of entrenched war machinery cannot defeat us.

          Nobody wants them anymore. They've retreated to their citadels, the inner-castle for when the entire city has risen up against its old royal court.

          [–]SgtBrutalisk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It began with GamerGate. Who would have thought that gamers would be the most hardcore resistance?

          In a sense, their decades-honed autism truly is our finest weapon.

          [–]OSaraiva 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I shall agree, as the mainstream media are so biased you just hear about the leftist PC/cuck crap they want to indoctrinate.

          The fact almost every one of those extreme left militant enterprises mocked Trump endlessly and predicted a heavy defeat which never materialized should be telling of dissonance between their feeble agendas and reality.

          [–]1TheNincro 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          This was honestly one of the best posts I've seen on reddit. Keep writing more man, I enjoyed this.

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (21 children)

          You have to realize that it's getting harder and harder every year for a young guy to gain financial independence. It's just stupid thing to say "well it's all your fault if you can't accomplish all these things I did, so just go kill yourself". It's a typical case of victim blaming.

          In future, millions of truck and taxi drivers will end up unemployed. Are you going to tell them "go kill yourself"? Your comment reminds me of those "when I was your age" stories from the boomer generation. There are more people on Earth than ever, and resources are limited and are being rapidly depleted. Men are more disposable than ever thanks to robots, outsourcing and women.

          Every year is worse than the previous one, and this trend can't and won't be reversed. Globalization and feminism are making sure that all odds are against you. Future is fucked.

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            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            People (men) in EU are paying insane amount of money through taxes and of course they are pissed off at their governments when they are misusing their money.

            [–]CalfReddit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            EU countries are on average the most happy and wealthy countries of the whole world. In the Netherlands we pay a lot of tax, but I don't think that's bad. I would rather have that than the situation in the US. Our country is so much better organized.. doesn't mean that all tax is spend well of course, but you get more for your tax money than in the US

            [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 12 points13 points  (3 children)

            I agree with you. I know I'm being solipsistic to a degree. But I'd argue that reality is even more uncaring and even more predisposed to the "go kill yourself" mentality. Look at how people - namely these liberal SJW women - treat low income men. Like fucking parasites - their attitude is have value... or kill yourself.

            I was born poor, I get it, it's fucking hard. But ultimately your own life is your fault. If you are bad with women, it's your fault. It's not daddys fault, it's not Sarah Oneitis Cheerleader's fault, it's not your genetics or your looks or your wallet, it's not the economies fault, it's not societies fault. It's your fault. You can call me a victim blamer, but that's doing the same thing that stupid bitches due when guys say "you know, it's prudent to not get shit faced at frat parties, maybe you shouldn't do that." It wasn't her fault that she got raped, but you know, she still can take responsibility for it or not, and taking responsibility will help her. Even if it wasn't her fault, assuming the blame - the buck stops here - and making changes will help her. Likewise, if you are poor or pussyless or ugly or socially awkward, just accept the blame and accept that it's your own damn fault.

            You may argue that's factually incorrect, but I'd argue it's the only mentality that will help you. And that's what I believe TRP should concern itself with - strategies and modes of thinking that will lead to success. It's like I said, OWS is not wrong - the 1%ers do have it too good, and it is too hard to join there ranks. They are not wrong, just like you are not wrong.

            Their mentality is just useless. We all have to decide - do we care about results or do we care about being right.

            A simple 101 example is Indian/Asian guy whining. Yes, it is true that it is about 2x as difficult to experience the same success with women in the US as a Asian/Indian guy. You need to be higher SMV to bat the same average as a standard white Chad. This is undeniably true.

            But I have always believed that I'm not held back by being an Indian. That is not correct - technically, there's probably dozens of chicks I missed on because they made some assumption or whatnot about me and my social value based on race. But I am willing to believe that my shot at success is the same as Chads, and that as long as I reach my potential physically, socially, and financially, I can do better than them.

            That mentality may or may not be true. But who gives a shit, it's a mentality that will lead to success.

            If you're a truck and taxi driver who wants to believe that no matter what you do, you'll always be on the dregs of society and never experience life from a higher plane... then what is the point of your life? Why not just kill yourself, really? Why not, unless you have kids depending on you? What is your life worth without ambition?

            I do realize it's gotten much harder. Of course there's millions of people who are stuck in poverty and cannot escape. Tough fucking shit - I empathize with them but I understand that society and the universe doesn't give a fuck about them. I'm not going to accept any guilt for their situation - if they want to improve their life, they'll try, and if they fail, well, they failed. Better than not trying.

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              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              We victim blame here. There's nearly always something the victim could have done differently to reduce their odds then or for next time. And even if they couldn't have done something about it, it's now up to them to do something about their current situation.

              [–]aDrunkenWhaler 4 points5 points  (5 children)

              You have to realize that it's getting harder and harder every year for a young guy to gain financial independence. It's just stupid thing to say "well it's all your fault if you can't accomplish all these things I did, so just go kill yourself". It's a typical case of victim blaming.

              "Victim blaming"? Oh dear lord... No, mate, you're not a victim, you're a lazy victimizing cunt who's finding excusses for himself.

              It is estimated that every 4 minutes someone becames a millionaire in the US alone, faster than anytime in the world. There are more opportunities than anytime in the world. More resources than anytime in the world. More capital, easies accez to markets etc. All ods are in your favor. Except you're too busy complaining.

              [–]Yashugan00 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              You have to realize that it's getting harder and harder every year for a young guy to gain financial independence.

              This. I look at my parents generation, objectively looking at what they could afford at a certain age. Then myself, and then the younger adults I see around me. It's a downward trend. However, they have infinitely more entertainment to distract/numb themselves with.

              What annoys me is the baby boomers can't get it through their skull: working harder is not the solution

              [–]The_Best_01 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              What's with all the hate for globalization? Can someone explain why this is a bad thing for ordinary people? I thought it was supposed to be good.

              [–]I-AM-NOT-RACIST-BUT 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              People who can't compete don't like globalism.

              [–]5t3fan0 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              very interesting idea you put down here!

              i expecially liked this:

              Women are only what we require them to be - they are only as good as they have to be to keep men. Men are only as good as they have to be to survive in their environment.

              its undeniable that just like bones degrade in absence of gravity and muscles grow only because of stresses, society thrives and betters only if a challenge is to be overcome.

              If their environment is comfortable and easy and over-saturated with quick entertainment, they will be unformed masses of blubbering beta trash.

              i also wonder if this is an unavoidable consequence of a "1st world" society, or we just lost the optimal way because life got too easy too fast and we couldnt adapt.

              [–]kanyewost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This should be required reading before subscribing to TRP

              Hands down the best post i have ever seen

              [–]oZeplikeo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Make this it's own thread. 10/10 post

              [–]Ptoss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This drew a tear from my eye. thank you for this fantastic analysis. Keep fighting the good fight.

              [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 57 points58 points  (12 children)

              Not even religious people get that now because of the feminist poison. I don't want to name names because I'm a discreet man and marriage wrecking is not my thing, but I've had a so-called Christian girl talking dirty to me in the Twitter DMs some time back. As much as that gets my cock hard, it makes me fucking weep to think her husband who slaves away to give them a home has an insolent straying bitch hitting up random red pill writers on the internet.

              You'd be surprised.

              As a religious man who goes to church every Sunday - this doesn't surprise me at all.

              Christian women just have faster spinning hamsters. Hence why garbage like "born again virginity" is so popular.

              My problem isn't with Christian Women though. They are women, they biologically can't help it.

              It's the Christian Men, like you mentioned, along with the pastors, who enable this kind of behavior.

              Christian men worship women as they are told to by their pastors, who preach women can do no wrong, they must be loved unconditionally, worshipped, etc. If you went to my church you would be repulsed. Not a lot of strong men. Just a bunch of Seth Rogen lookalike, thick frame glasses wearing beta hipster types. The amount of beta men, as well as promotion of beta behavior and principles in the modern day Christian faith, makes me ill.

              [–]jakeecio 21 points22 points  (7 children)

              "born again virginity" had a good laugh about it. It's just the adaptation strategy of a woman in Christian world. AWALT reaffirmed.

              [–]waldo888 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              some expert marketing staff at the evangelical org.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

              You laugh but its super super common. Has been for at least 25 yrs. Like I'm talking nearly 100% of my exes were Christian women who fucked and then asked for a 2nd virginity. I definitely agree that Jesus forgives, but that doesn't mean there aren't earthly consequences in the mean time.

              [–]jakeecio 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              I like your "super super common." Yes, I agree that Jesus forgives. But forgiveness without repentance ? Jesus looks at the heart...isn't it What do you mean by earthly consequences ?

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              Even if they do repent, truly, after riding the CC they will have consequences like:

              • STDs,
              • unwanted pregnancy,
              • difficulty pair bonding,
              • a higher chance she's experienced better sex woth someone other than with her husband (and hence the memory/longing for someone else),
              • establishing a pattern of ending things when they get hard instead of submission or negotiation,
              • less desirable to each subsequent man due to our preference for low N count women,
              • time/effort wasted on getting/being sexy instead of developing career, hobbies and personality

              [–]jakeecio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Agree....not able to pair bond is the worst consequence. Which kills inside out...

              [–]Westernhagen 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              asked for a 2nd virginity

              Wait, what now? Who did they ask? Jesus? Their minister? A plastic surgeon?

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              I'm honestly curious why you are still participating in something you are so adamantly opposed to.

              [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Who said I was opposed to the Christian Faith?

              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              I'm not talking about the faith. I'm asking why you are still going to church and surrounding yourself with things that repulse you.

              I guess its a good weekly reminder of what you don't want to become.

              [–]throwawayyourliberty 23 points24 points  (3 children)

              Incredible masterpiece. Way ahead of the learning curve in our society. The redpill of religion is hard to swallow for most guys.

              Why does religion exist? To form a stronger society. This goal was successful because societies with monotheistic religions expanded

              Religion gives you a common ground of morals, values and beliefs. National Socialism was in a way like a religion, Hitler was like "God".

              But without religion or another set of social system like NatSoc you lose the only tool to keep men in check. Without those rules you lose social cohesion and the fabric falls apart. Most religions understand fundamental Natural law and how men function. Women are different than men, but also need guidance and leadership. Hence, in a family women follow, men lead. Both cant lead. Equality is a dead end based on ideology and marxism. Either we reform our culture or we go down like many degenerated civilisations before.

              Further Reading: http://is2.4chan.org/pol/1485170022167.png

              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              Thoroughly enjoyed the further reading. Families must be strong again if we are to preserve our quality of life, at least here in the states. This is why, I hope at least, liberals will not win. Liberals are individualists, conservatives are family based. The individual is weak and cannot win against a strongly bound group.

              [–]MrBellsprout123 46 points47 points  (26 children)

              I try to imagine banging another dudes girlfriend, I have before, but just unknowingly to me. But if I knew that this woman had a BF, i just don't know if I'd do it.

              Call me a beta cuck, but the fact that this is what its come to, that we're just cheating on each other, destroying each others lives and self esteem, just for a quick fuck, seems very depressing to me, and I guess if I became a part of it, I would have nobody to blame but myself for the culture that we live in.

              I mean who do i blame, the girl? No. Its not her fault, she's a woman she doesn't have a clue what she's doing, it like getting mad at a child. The beta buck Dude? He's just doing what he was told to do, I mean makes sense right? If someone comes up to you when you're five and says to you "Do X and Y will happen", why wouldn't you do it?

              I'll admit i'm still pretty blue pill, but I've been thinking lately, is it possible to be 100% RP? To look at EVERY situation with facts, to NEVER get caught up on the BP fantasy, call it hope. And to dismiss ALL emotional feelings within ourselves sounds like an un-acheiveable goal, in fact I don't know if that is a goal, I like being emotional, I like being stupid, if that even makes any sense.

              This is my theory:

              We, as men, are disposable from a biological perspective, this in my opinion is both a gift and a curse. Because we are disposable, we are capable of caring about things other than ourselves. This is where morals and values come from. Our ability to see what's best for the community, because we understand that if everyone just did what was best for themselves all the time, the community would fall apart, and we'd all be much worse off. The ability to do this stems from our disposable nature. I guess you could call us more mature than women, but even that isn't fair because comparing women and men is like comparing apples and oranges.

              Women on the other hand are not disposable, therefore they are not capable of caring about things other than themselves. Because of this, they're are not capable of seeing the world on a grander scale, men can look at what's best for the hole, then also what's best for themselves, differenciate between the two and might actually prefer the later (depending on the man), women cannot do this.

              This is why women make such bad leaders, they can't see the difference between what's good for them and what's good for the hole. They're not capable of caring about the hole, more so than themselves because of their in-disposable nature.

              [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 19 points20 points  (18 children)

              I guess you could call us more mature than women, but even that isn't fair because comparing women and men is like comparing apples and oranges.

              Oh no it's definitely fair. They're the most responsible teenagers in the house (sidebar) - we're the ones who run shit, sacrifice, take bullets, fight off home invaders.. the dirty, hard work. They are less mature than we are, such is their nature.

              [–]MrBellsprout123 23 points24 points  (16 children)

              I see where you're coming from, but I don't hold women up to the same standards as men, I don't expect a lot out of them.

              I don't get pissed at the women marching because they're not happpyyyyy, I get pissed at the men that walk with them and support their shitty behavior.

              [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 38 points39 points  (11 children)

              I don't think holding women to lower standards of performance should mean we don't hold them to standards of behaviour.

              I see a lot of men on here say what you've just said, and it makes me shake my head every time, because it means that you essentially allow them to act like brats and get away with it because "women just suck like that". And that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more men think "well you know what, fuck it, women suck, I don't expect much from 'em" and thus do not discipline them because of it, the more of these shitty women we'll get, and lord knows we already have more than enough of them.

              Holding women to a lower standard than men (which I believe to be wise, because they are fundamentally more foolish despite also being more cunning) makes sense, but this should not double as an excuse not to enforce boundaries or make rules. Women need that structure and order, and it's exactly that lack of structure and order that leads to shit like the women's march.

              Look at those idiots. Most of them are single. A few of them probably have a very low tier beta male at home. They are the losers of women. The 400lb land beasts, the slutty single mothers, the lesbians and other assorted degenerate misfits that make up the quilt from which the decline has been sewn. None of these women have men leading them at home, and their hubris and narcissism thinks they don't need to be led, they believe they're above being led. Yet if they were led by an alpha at home, none of them would be crazily waving pickets in Washington in fucking vagina outfits because they would be happy at home.

              These women are unhappy, I agree with that, just not for the reasons they believe they are. They think it's about some bullshit politics, when really the politics is just a proxy for how dysfunctional and shitty their lives are. People from functional and happily families don't go out and protest in stupid costumes. If they had an alpha at home, they wouldn't give the first flying fuck about politics. I can tell you that without a slither of doubt. Women are either usually too proud or too stupid to admit it, but they would most certainly not be protesting whatever fictional thing it is they're upset with now if they had an alpha male at home.A man's mission in life is whatever he makes it, a woman's is to lock down an alpha male and have kids. That's it. Careers and business are an empty vessel for women. Motherhood and marriage is their calling - so what happens when they don't have this? They do dumb shit like women's marches. They are broken women. Sex and the city rich and educated types with no kid or alpha? Still broken.

              To put things another way, pretend you are a father with a son and a daughter. Just because you expect less from your daughter and will not push her so hard because she is more fragile and you see her as having less potential, it doesn't mean you should discipline her any less than your son. Too many parents make that mistake. I know this sounds harsh, but if we are to keep to the "i don't hold women to the same standards as men" theme, would this line of thinking not then also apply to the girl, for a girl is simply no more than an undeveloped woman?" If anything, you should discipline her more, because woman benefit more from discipline than do men. Yes, both boys and girls need discipline, but rebelliousness is a masculine trait and males wear it better. Little girls who weren't disciplined by daddy become rebellious whores in adulthood who want to shit all over the carpets.

              I've said a lot, but my main message is this: do not conflate your lower expectations/standards of women with the lack of a need to discipline them. Women have never needed discipline more than they do now. Just go out there. Take a look. They are out of control. They are feral. A lack of discipline got us here in the first place, and doubling down on this policy will just make things worse. A woman may not thank you for disciplining her, but she'll love you for it.

              [–]MrBellsprout123 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Yes I agree 100%. I hold women 100% accountable for their behavior and discipline them. But I expect them to behave badly, while I don't expect men to behave badly.

              I guess a better way to put it is I expect men to be better, but I hold them both to the same standards, so when I see a man behave badly I get upset, but when I see a women behave badly I just think she's being a woman, but I treat them both the same.

              But you said it all a lot better than I could. Thank you for clarifying.

              [–]Docbear64 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              It's almost like a race to the bottom right ? Men try to make women happy by granting women more freedom , Women with their new freedom decide they need EVEN more from men , A new generation of men is born taught that their job is to keep the women happy , A new generation of women are born taught that they should be worshipped by men . The men become effeminate little boys , the women become jaded, sarcastic , and mean . So If we're at or nearing the bottom I assume the next step is a large clamoring cry from women for more masculine men and hopefully that's where TRP comes in ? Still I don't see a society where women express a desire for true men and are content with not being able to control true men .

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                [–]Docbear64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                You missed the second part of the sentence and are content with not being able to control true men ."

                We both know women loved strong , confident , and attractive men . The blue pill beta men don't and the only way our society will embrace masculinity at the moment is if women tell our beta- brethren to man up . But do you see a situation where we have a massive "reclamation of masculinity " where women are ok with the fact that their beta orbiters , weak husbands, and emotional tampons become ripped, desirable, and that they can't control them ? I don't.

                [–]jakeecio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The very same men when they get to know the AWALT. They will not be able to take it...

                [–]301niko 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                Me too bro. I'd love to be monogamous but it's impossible nowadays. I don't see any reason to chase women anymore. Waste of time and your ears listening to all of the bullshit. They only like attention. It's just not fair how inflated pussy is. I don't cry about it, I just gave up. Please don't fuel women with attention. That's what they are seeking for. Improve yourself for your own self, not for women.

                [–]theONE843663 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                When an escort seems like a better catch than your average club sluts, you know society is fuuuuucked up. Seriously man it's retarded.

                [–]M-120 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                yeah I've seen exactly this, although pros are fucked up in different ways to club sluts.

                [–]theONE843663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Still more real than club sluts...

                [–]M-120 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Yeah it used to be bros before hoes, now it's sex before anything else. Fucking dead end. I've fucked two cheating girls, never again, if I do I'll tell the guy his girl is a whore. Return to bros before hoes.

                [–]monstrogoec 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Just wanted to address the BP fantasy bit.

                It makes sense to enjoy being emotional. I'd even say it's useful, since, if you think about it, fantasy has always helped mankind progress. Not having any hope does not help you at all. I mean then what? You spend the rest of your life pretending you're enjoying just fucking women without developing any sort of meaningful connection? I'd much rather keep on looking for a good girl, even if it means getting heartbroken. Just keep in mind most girls are sluts and you shouldn't get much frustration when you find out she's not a good girl.

                Still, this sub is about sexual strategy, and dreaming does not help you get laid. Aim to be as RP as possible. Just don't become a bitter robot and try to enjoy your interactions.

                Also, I really like your theory.

                [–]JFMX1996 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I definitely agree. We can all complain about women and feminism degrading society in terms of morals and values, but if we take part in such adultery we're also the ones enabling such degeneracy to happen.

                It takes restraint, and willpower, to avoid doing such things. It is until we all stop doing such acts such as cheating that we can start to change society. Otherwise, we simply serve as catalysts to the ideology, furthering their behavior and thinking that it's okay and justified, as we appease our consciences and theirs for whatever reason and emotional manipulation tactics they have.

                [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                While I agree that men need to be great again, it is important to realize why men are no longer great. The basic reason is that great men came before us, and they shaped their environment to make it comfortable and soft and forgiving. But then the men that grow up in comfortable, soft, and forgiving environments take on those qualities themselves.

                Feminism is stupid. That women could convince themselves that they are 'strong' and 'independent' and 'don't need no man' is ludicrous - except in a soft, forgiving and comfortable environment. They can go and get a job in a nice, comfortable, air-conditioned office moving their fingers over a keyboard all day, or talking on the phone, and think this makes them equal to men. The trouble is, most of the men they encounter are doing the same thing, so they are equal under those conditions.

                It is like when you lower the standards to enter a military unit, or the police force, or fire service. When standards are high men can achieve them but women can't. When you lower the standards both men and women can achieve them, and then it looks like the two are 'equal'.

                How do you effectively 'raise the bar'? For an individual, you put yourself on the line, you spend at least some time out of comfortable society in wilderness areas, or take on something that is tough. But as a society? The only way is for society to collapse.

                We always think that in the future it will look like it is now, but more advanced, but in fact civilization is cyclical, and this one is in its decline phase. We keep being told how 'diversity' is a great strength, but of course it is actually a weakness, as we can see by looking at many societies in the past. When society is fairly homogeneous it is strong, because it shares common values and can work together. When it is 'diverse' it is disunited and acts against itself. We see this now with all the idiots going around looking for what they call 'nazis' when they themselves are the brownshirts; we see it in feminism pitting the women of our society - especially non-white women - against the men of ours society; we see it in the very idea of putting your own country, your own society, before that of others as 'racist', and how you must simply open your borders and let others do as they wish with your country. The decline is accelerating. I thought it would be fastest in Europe because of Merkel and the totally ineffective way they have dealt with immigration (eg there are areas of Paris where postal workers will no longer deliver, because in reality those areas are no longer French). Yesterday a Spanish woman, in Spain, was beaten up by a gang of 'anti-fascists', and why? Because she had a bracelet on with a spanish flag. But looking at what has been happening in America since Trump was voted in, I'm not so sure. America seems deeply divided against itself, and although I don't like Trump personally, the bad stuff all seems to be coming from the other side. These are signs of a collapsing society.

                But the good part is, what comes next is not comfortable, not soft, it will be tough. And tough times lead to tough men. So the cycle turns.

                [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                What an excellent post. Don't have the time to go over your points at any length, but print screened it + put it on Twitter. Good job.

                [–]M-120 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                Instead of saying "fuck off whore" to cheating wives, other men simply just welcome them into their bed, just can't say no to sex. Yes men need to become stronger, more masculine, better leaders, but we also need to show women that being a cheating slut is not the way to behave. All women have to do is spread their legs and they can get practically any man they want. No wonder they have zero incentive to improve, they don't have to do any work for the prize of fucking alphas. Men are very easy to manipulate just by using sex, ask any woman candidly (which is rare) and they'll admit it's pathetic how easy it is.

                [–]epubliusrex 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                They get weak men without character--which can be seen on a man's face. And those women know that.

                So, be a man. Quit chasing it like you're a little teenage boy and learn how to garner respect.

                [–]Westernhagen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                All women have to do is spread their legs and they can get practically any man they want.

                They can get any man to dump a fsck in them. They can't get the (alpha) man "they deserve" to commit to them. Their "prize" won't be an alpha, he will be a beta provider, and in the end he won't make her haaaaaaappy.

                [–]M-120 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                You're missing the point. Do you think they didn't think of that? They don't care about commitment so they never improve themselves because there is ALWAYS another alpha. The prize is multiple alphas. Alphas are a commodity to them else they would actually improve themselves. If you're happy banging POS women just for sex you are getting manipulated and serving them more than you are yourself. Women pretend you are the winner, it's part of the manipulation. They act like shit so YOU WILL dump them, then "oh poor me, I better go bang another alpha".

                [–]3whatsthisgarg 28 points29 points  (14 children)

                I truly believe if we can make men great again, we can make women great again too.

                You're optimistic. I want to applaud that, and I wish you're right, but personally I don't believe it's possible, and I mean nowhere in the Western world, anytime soon, barring catastrophic living conditions.

                Regarding your model of successful male-female relationships as unequal, everything in the first few paragraphs: absolutely brilliant. I got a little chill in my spine as I realized you are describing my marriage. The hilarious thing is, my wife would completely and violently disagree with everything you wrote, and she has no idea this is how I run our lives. She's happy, but she has no idea why.

                But I really think there's no way any woman with any self-respect who is not religious could possibly accept this kind of arrangement, consciously. So any efforts toward getting a woman to accept this is going to have to be through subterfuge, or force. That's why I'm not optimistic about this happening on any large scale.

                [–]1SeemedGood 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                But I really think there's no way any woman with any self-respect who is not religious could possibly accept this kind of arrangement, consciously...

                Gotta disagree here.

                Consciousness is exactly what's required of women (and all of us) to understand our true states, accept them, and then evolve into something better. I have found that the more conscious a woman is, the better able she is to truly understand her innate behaviors and govern them (if she wishes). Unfortunately truly conscious women or even women who wish to be truly conscious are rare birds (AWALT/no-unicorns). Instead we have a giant body of unconscious women running on an auto-pilot program that was built for monkeys leaving them unable to empathize, unable to actually love (sometimes even their own children), and subsequently unfit for pair-bonding.

                But yes, development of one's spiritual awareness (as opposed to simple adherence to religious dogma) is possibly the only path to improving the whole situation as subterfuge and/or the use of force will ultimately only engender hostility, resistance, and even more resentment.

                [–]BinaryResult 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                When I became single again 6 months ago after a 10 year relationship I put in my social profile that I was interested in women who were into D/s relationships to weed out any potential BS and get straight to the point. The first thing my current gf messaged me was "you had me at D/s" and wanted to make sure I was Dom. She consciously knew where she wanted to be in the relationship and has fallen right into line with my lead.

                [–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                That's a start, but she won't be conscious in that arena until she knows why she truly wants that, has accepted that "why," and taken responsibility for the choice.

                [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                But I really think there's no way any woman with any self-respect who is not religious could possibly accept this kind of arrangement, consciously. So any efforts toward getting a woman to accept this is going to have to be through subterfuge, or force. That's why I'm not optimistic about this happening on any large scale.

                If she's been indoctrinated by feminism, you're quite right, it'll be subterfuge all the way, entertaining her feminist ego whilst leading her feminine nature with red pill ideas. If she rejects all the equalist/feminist however, you are free to be more transparent.

                [–]3whatsthisgarg 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                subterfuge all the way, entertaining her feminist ego whilst leading her feminine nature with red pill ideas.

                Manipulation! One of the very many, very stupid BP criticisms. Just ignore the fact that this is the way to make a woman happy, required by the conditions on the ground.

                Another exception to subterfuge, although cunning, is heavily narcissistic dark triad daddy game

                Curious wording (matter of fact, my wife doesn't call me "daddy" but that's how she refers to me when speaking to the kids); have you written anything on this? I'd be interested to see if it might corroborate my natural RP instincts--not saying I'm a natural, but I was lucky to have grown up in the 1970s, watching Clint Eastwood movies and listening to Frank Sinatra.

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                I have a guess at who the christian tradcon is....

                [–]3whatsthisgarg 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                I have a guess at who the christian tradcon is....

                Most definitely not me. Not Christian, not trad, and not con.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I hope you're not sweettalking IM... That would be awkward

                [–]sh0ckley 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                If she's been indoctrinated by feminism

                Number of women I've met in the US who weren't?

                Zero.

                I'm not 100% sure that men can be great again until most of what we consider civilization collapses. Maybe I'm a nihilist. I hope you are correct.

                Keep up the great work. Really appreciate your blog.

                [–]anglertaio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I really think there's no way any woman with any self-respect who is not religious could possibly accept this kind of arrangement, consciously. So any efforts toward getting a woman to accept this is going to have to be through subterfuge, or force.

                This kind of “self-respect” only means you haven’t actually gained her submission yet. Subterfuge and force are on a spectrum, and if you never used anything on that spectrum on her, she would never respect you anyway.

                In my case, her enthusiastically accepting this arrangement went together with conversion to my religion. I could say that, yes, it’s no accident that religion preserves morals, so men should convert to traditional Catholicism themselves, and convert their women as well. Or I could say, well, just as a matter of course, the submission you want from her can be called almost religious.

                Men shouldn’t short-change themselves on the level of submission to expect from a woman to marry. It’s truly extreme, others would call it brainwashing, programming. But it is a natural arrangement. With the favor of the legal system, and the destruction of the feminist progressive religion setting social expectations in schools and the media, men and women could fall back into it in only one generation. Women say and believe what society tells them to, but they will always desperately want it.

                [–]sh0ckley 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                she has no idea this is how I run our lives. She's happy, but she has no idea why.

                Idealistically I could ask for more, but this arrangement is realistic, and not as bad as it could be, given acceptance of how far the world has tried to go astray from natural law.

                [–]3whatsthisgarg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Not sure exactly what you meant. Looked you up, your post history is interesting; ask me anything, maybe I can be of assistance.

                [–]sh0ckley 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                I'm on that path since last April. Much improved and close to what you describe at times.

                [–]3whatsthisgarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Sometimes it's so easy! and sometimes it's a real drag.

                One of the many, many good things I've figured out (on my own, as I've never seen it explained anywhere) is don't be afraid to have a woman be mad at you. It can be tough to do in the moment, because as men our natural instinct is to relieve her suffering, but doing that is the worst mistake, and in my past, led to much wasted time and energy. So bizarre, but she doesn't even want that!

                [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                I don't necessarily disagree, but for this to work men need to be make themselves deserving of respect. Women WANT to look up to men, but they won't if you are not somebody worth looking up to. We talk about MGTOW, but there are lots of WGTOW because they literally cannot find an alpha male that will fulfill his function. These women will "date" and maybe even marry and have kids, but their heart isn't in it because the man isn't acting like a man.

                The danger with the type of thinking OP espouses is that a lot of violent, stupid, abusive men will think they "deserve" a woman to look up to them even though they are poor, stupid, lazy, worthless, unfaithful, emotional, impulsive, etc... The reason "feminism" exists is because enough men abused their position of power that an opposition movement sprang up to fight them. As it should - men should keep their power because they deserve it, not through violence or coercion.

                For a lot of reasons, men are falling behind women. Porn, video games, pop culture obsessions, depression, etc... Girls are beating boys in school, going to better colleges, and getting better jobs. Women are also generally maturing and adjusting better to the modern world. In many big cities there is literally a man shortage because women come to the big city and men stay behind in their little, shitty towns.

                The challenge for men here, and anywhere, is to not become one of these whiny victim guys that blames society for all of his problems and projects the blame on women, feminists, liberals, etc..., and never himself. As Thotwrecker pointed out, life is great for the 1%. So become the 1%, at least emotionally and spiritually. Stop fucking whining.

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                Feminism is women's original sin. She saw she could be like God and disobeyed and ate. Then, with knowledge of what she'd done and awareness of how it affected her, she took some to her man and it was his downfall to not hold frame.

                Instead of keeping the natural order of worshipping her God and helping her man, she wanted to tear him down to her new low. As a consequence God had to make her subject to the man, she now longs for him and he rules over her.

                [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                Almost all of the attractive women around me are putting tobacco and drugs into their body, or they would be attractive if they weren't obese, or they are single moms.. and they have little to offer except sex which is replaced well enough with porn and sex technology. Loneliness and the the threat of self-destruction is less emasculating and more empowering than a single second of my free time spent around a single mother. I'm missing teeth, have scars all over my body, and I'm a 28 year old virgin. I spend a lot of time studying enlightened masters because I know that meditation can cut off romantic loneliness. I think that the best frame and amused mastery for dealing with all people, is outside of one's personality, the best frame is meditation.

                I've watched MGTOW grow over the years, and its positively affected my life to the extreme. I don't know what the future is going to be, I think what men should primarily care about is the meaning that comes from their own adaptation to the future; being badass, in the sense of doing what you want in life to the best of you ability, is not so much becoming something unnatural, its the boy you used to be achieving the things that they couldn't. The boy in you has the answers to how you should live your life, every attractive woman and any other person will lead you astray.

                [–]nikbk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Excellent post, well formatted, and good delivery. Some of the happiest marriages I've ever seen are elderly couples, my parents, neighbours and god father. What do they all have in common? The male is the alpha in the relationship, regardless of age difference, religion or who brings the most home.

                [–]epubliusrex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                You guys don't actually discuss women's equality with women, do you? I mean, I'm thinking you're all supposed to know it's just a cute thing they like to think about, right? I mean, when they bring it up, you should just smile and change the subject.

                At the very minimum, after you've smiled, you should remind them what life is like for women outside of Western Civilization. Then smile and change the subject.

                [–]NeoreactionSafe 19 points20 points  (4 children)

                 

                women should worship men, men should not worship women.

                 

                That's Natural Law.

                Yes... your post is correct.

                In a sense Western Civilization after 1900 has been a Failed Shit Test.

                The Blue Pill mythology represents the inversion of the rules of success known by Natural Law.

                We can only seek to align ourselves again with Natural Law.

                How?

                Begin by "Killing the Beta" within that believes the Blue Pill mythology.

                Then...

                Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology by spreading our thoughts to other men through things like the Manosphere.

                Over time we will through "Mind War" bring things into alignment.

                But be realistic in today's world... most women are crap and you must have your eyes wide open and call them on their "shit".

                 

                [–]sh0ckley 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Western Civilization after 1900 has been a Failed Shit Test.

                Well said. Brought a smile to my face despite the gravity of it.

                ...and good on you for the Mark Passio links.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Surprised you didn't latch onto what the toppost has, and I have agreed with, it goes against a lot of what you post.

                No illuminati, no war room of strategises, just a system that inventivizes certain behaviours, a system.

                IT's actually scarier, at least with a conspiracy, theres someone at the helm. Someone who wouldn't want to end the world etc.

                I see a system with no one at the helm, and we would all swim off the cliff, because no one has a direction, only the safest path on the raging river

                [–]PurpleTurtle12 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Interesting post, however, I have a little pushback taking off from your statement that religion (specifically the Bible) advocates women worshiping men. Yes, it is true that women was created for man, as "a helper fit for him" (Gen 2:18). And the verse you referenced, "Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man," is one of my favorites to quote at someone when I want to stir up indignation for my own amusement. However, he qualifies that statement a verse later, saying, "Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God." Basically, his point is that men and women are equal in value (because in Christianity a person's value comes from their being an image-bearer of God), but not identical in attributes or roles. Men are equipped to lead while women are designed to submit and be helpers. However, from a biblical perspective, male chauvinism is just as wrong as feminism. "Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you," was the curse God pronounced on Eve after the Fall and is the cause in Christianity of the power struggle between the sexes, with woman having the tendency to usurp man's authority while man has the tendency to brutally rule over woman instead of loving and leading her "in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel (1 Pet 3:7) as he should. Basically, I completely agree that the vast majority of women in the west are unfit to have a life with, being loud, boisterous, wayward, and disrespectful, instead of quiet, respectful, submissive, and homemakers, but I do think that sometimes this subreddit has a tendency to become anti-woman instead of pro-man. Thoughts?

                [–]anglertaio 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                The Church worships Christ, and St. Paul directly compares husband and wife to Christ and the Church. There is such a thing as an extreme of idolatry, and most of your comment is right, but it remains true that women should worship their husbands, if we use the word loosely as is being done in this thread. It’s not anti-woman to recognize and require this, it’s natural law.

                [–]sickofallofyou 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                If you want a companion, get a dog.

                [–]M-120 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                So we've seen the Pareto Principle play out, 80% of women banging the top 20% of men. If all we do is improve men the 80:20 rule will remain, and we've just increased mens taxable income for women to benefit from off the state LOL.

                [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                This is a great counterpoint and the solution would be to mandate people pairing off at their own levels and not having chicks who are 4's getting banged out by male 7's.

                [–]M-120 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yeah if men keep giving women practically infinite beta and alpha options mandating pairing off really is the only option left for a return to healthy family unit in meaningful numbers. Making men great again really means to create a generation of family units resulting in a fucking outstanding next generation of classy women who can keep their legs closed and boss men who can keep the population of women classy and in control. As you said it's all mens responsibility. Women are followers and only get away with as much as we let them.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The problem with capitalism is that labour is always exploited for the sake of capitalists.

                The solution? Make everyone capitalists.

                Point is, on paper, your argument makes sense, in the real world, it's just not applicable.

                [–]Docbear64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Golden post here Illimitable Men The perfect marriage of theory and social analysis .

                [–]_the_shape_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                As if making men "great again" wasn't a task of Herculean proportions, you'd also have to make technology obsolete again, and good mutha-flippin' luck trying to achieve that along with a reason(s) for women to begin dissociating from feminism en masse (like an apocalyptic sort of catastrophe, perhaps as a worldwide economic crash).

                Even this guy would agree that that's a whole lot of "ifs" for it to work out.

                [–]The_Best_01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Was that the real headline?

                [–]centipede76 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                what a fantastic post, i've been lurking here a long time trying to follow the red pill maxims and I just want to thank you for mentoring all of us. Men can be made great again, we can lead by example and our strength will be a beacon for all men. thank you u/IllimitableMan :)

                [–]frenchpuppy2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                You can argue day and night that women are inferior to men but your argument as to why fails to really convince people who don't already believe this or would like to believe it because they're so frustrated at not "getting" chicks. The truth is there is no truth. It is not inscribed on any stone that men are superior, nor that women are. Nor do you have scientific evidence to validate it like physical laws do. Thus, you're simply imposing your own assumptions and biased perspective onto reality which brings you no closer to 'truth.' You can think that women will eventually come to accept and believe this viewpoint of yours but neither gender wants to be on the losing side. Men and women need each other in different ways and provide different benefits to keep the race going - men are the protectors and women are the breeders. This difference in function does not make either superior. Once you stop thinking from a place of sexual frustration you may come to be at peace with this.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Finding a decent loving girl for a companion is hard as fuck if not a damn near impossibility

                Starts right away with a blue pill fantasy that consistent love exists. AWALT applies, love is a temporary emotion for women based on physical attraction and perceived social status / dominance.

                [–]Yashugan00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Rorschach: The world will look up and shout, 'Save us!' And I'll whisper, 'No.'

                The chess pool is beyond saving by the likes of your or I. We're a minority of a minority.

                Like in those psychology games where you can each take 10 dollar or betray the person in front of you by taking it all: women have come to expect that they 'take it all' every time. Which works until the opponents who play fair are so distrusting of the game they choose the same, which breaks the game because neither gets anything.

                I think our society is arriving at that point. And we're going to need to reach it first, so that it becomes a national crisis. Women will complain, and it will be up to men to fix it.

                However, the journey of getting out of there, the heavy lifting, ... yeah, count me out. I'm done with that shit. I'm not going to trust them even as far as I can throw them.

                I like women, but a serious partnership Is not worth the gamble.

                [–]jakeecio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                "born again virginity" had a good laugh about it. It's just the adaptation strategy of a woman in Christian world. AWALT reaffirmed.

                [–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Awesome as always. Also, your continuation of your series of progressively updated Maxims as our society becomes more turbulents most welcome. Thanks again.

                [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                What an excellent post, Illimitable.

                If you have time please read my two posts, very much related.

                • Feminism, the King, and You
                • The World's Biggest Shit Test: Women's Suffrage

                I believe you are very much, on point, and on target in this writing, but it seems to keep it focused you did not dive deeply into who is responsible for our current condition.

                If we are to advance as people, if we are to reclaim our self-respect, our quality of life, not only for us, but for future generations, then we must know who and what we are up against.

                Make no mistake, we are at war.

                The enemy, for over 100 years has sought to infiltrate, subvert, subjugate, and exploit every nation on the planet. You will see their subversion from America to Saudi Arabia.

                How are they winning this war? They appeal to humanity's base instincts. They relegate thinking to a child-like level. What this does is exploit and inflate negative psychological traits such as narcissistism, selfishness, immediate gratification, and responsibility through self control.

                For example, the child, wanting ice cream for breakfast, laments the injustice of the world, that the patriarchy does not allow her to express herself and be who she wants to be or do what she wants to do. Removing these barriers of common sense results in human beings with arrested development, with character and understanding on a child-like level, well into adulthood.

                These people are crack dealers of society. They are degenerate and anti human. They love selling crack to the plebeians as it guarantees a future crack market and it is highly profitable.

                Another strategy they use is to supplant the worship of a god with worship of some other ideology or worship of the state. In our day and age, the worship is on science. When people worshipped God, they worshiped a power beyond themselves. Now, they ascribe that power to people, manipulative people who clearly do not have your best interests at heart.

                Finally, I know I will get many down votes for saying this, but it is worth mentioning. It is my opinion that Christianity is a cuck religion. I say that because if I were to choose what to worship I would not choose a religion that said some group of people were "God's chosen people."

                Imagine if I made a religion today and in the book I wrote "whites are God's chosen people." I mean you can say that/do that but why in the world would blacks or asians then join/believe this religion? It's a glaring red flag.

                And I say that with the belief that the ancient books (all of them) capture wisdom acquired over the ages. Wisdom more in line with the natural (correct) order.

                I fully believe it is the enemy's strategy to corrupt your mind so fully that it is literally incapable of forming a logically coherent thought. By doing so they have reduced your infinite potential to that of a butt-sniffing dog. It does not matter what it is, in the name of being "progressive" it must be inverted contrary to all rational thought. They corrupt your mind with illogical precepts which lead to cognitive dissonance. Literally a malfunctioning brain. Sad, really.

                Your first line of defense is to empower yourself with rational thought, then with knowledge. Men from the enlightenment era believed human beings had no limit based on rational thought and gods will. Compare that to modern beliefs, where you are incapable of anything unless the system let's you (victim complex).

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                I don't think the bible references help

                [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                I think the bible references help and I'm not even religious.

                [–]lobotim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Thank you for this post, it was one of the best reads for a long time. Keep ya head up!

                [–]rayyaal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Yaknow, I stopped visiting this sub often because of life, but I still drop by from time to time and IllimitableMan is always posting gold. Thanks for the renewed clarity of purpose and for re-focusing my intentions.

                [–]1Jax77789 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                A sad state of affairs indeed. The key is to master game well enough that you can pull effortlessly and the rest of the time forget about bitches to focus on yourself.

                [–]DROAWT17 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                I'm not attacking you, and I assume I cannot change your view, but hear me out.

                in·se·cu·ri·ty

                noun

                -Uncertainty or anxiety about oneself; lack of confidence.

                synonyms: lack of confidence, self-doubt, diffidence, unassertiveness, timidity, uncertainty, nervousness, inhibition; More

                -The state of being open to danger or threat; lack of protection.

                synonyms:unstable, rickety, rocky, wobbly, shaky, unsteady, precarious;

                In my opinion, Your words and actions are Objectively the definition of insecurity

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH-9ZVE6pJ8

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s_jUYY1yb4

                It has nothing to do with manhandling women into specific roles, ACT LIKE A MAN and Everything falls into place. Women are wired into their subconscious to desire security. Acting insecure: 1. turns them off 2. Makes them NEED TO FILL THE MALE ROLE. Women naturally don't like acting like a man so they act bitchy and test your strength.

                I have a Penis and XY Chromosomes, that does not make me a man. I have to earn that honor of calling myself a man through embodying masculinity= Not being Insecure, Fearful, Controlling, Whining, Not living in a Scarcity Mindset.

                Women these days have not as many Strong MEN for them to feel safe around.

                I used to be a man who thought "Huh why are the attractive women who act upset at finding no "nice guys" not choose me, yet go after the dude who doesn't treat her right? she must not know what she wants, or shes crazy."

                Women are attracted to abusive men because those men OUTWARDLY act confident, INSIDE they're scared as fuck about losing her, so they compensate. Directing women like you're talking about is based out of Fear of Loss.

                I agree the hardcore Feminist movement is not equality at all, its pushing men down. What you're saying is in my opinion Mirroring that.

                [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                No. Women love dominance, and dominant men have options and having options doesn't make you insecure. That shouldn't even be a point of contention in this community. You can be dominant without being insecure, but I will also assume I can't argue past pedanticism and certain pre-installed perceptions you have of dominant men. And I don't really care to do so either because ultimately there's absolutely nothing in it for me in trying to get past that block you have in your mind. So it's a stalemate. Your blue pill mental schema here = all dominant men are assholes and all assholes are abusive because they are insecure needy men, and you're better than that by not being dominant and therefore men who advocate dominance are beneath you. Total hamster gymnastic blue pill slippery slope shit you've got going on there. I wrote that to help you/the community by the way, not because I'm trying to be mean or argue with you.

                In fact I only reply because I care about the community and don't want impressionable minds believing in your well-intentioned albeit inaccurate way of thinking, which with wave upon wave of new subscriber base ultimately dilutes the tenets of the community into something so unrecognisable from its source that it cannot genuinely fall under the same label. If you read manosphere essays like Rollo's She Wants You To Just Get It and Private Man's The Chronology of Masculine Fail you would know this, and you would know it to be mandatory rather than optional. If I didn't give a fuck about this community I wouldn't make this thread, and neither would I bother replying to you. Some props and a little less bullshit would be appreciated, because lord knows you need people like me not to leave. How about the people who haven't even bothered to read the blogs just don't comment at all? That would be great.

                [–]DROAWT17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Your blue pill mental schema here = all dominant men are assholes and all assholes are abusive because they are insecure needy men

                I'm saying

                abusive people are assholes because they are insecure, fearful, needy, unsure men. Unsure of their place in the household and how much respect they receive.

                A Beta male has Feminine qualities in a male body. Im advocating for Male Qualities in a male body. Those Male Qualities depend on the reasons driving your actions.

                TL;DR There is a fine line "WHY YOUR'E DOING", It is based out of internal "Fear" or out of "strength". Those are highly nuanced consepts that seem unknowable, but are good questions to ask yourself. Fear and loss= Feminine. Confident, sure and unmovable=Masculine.

                Women are attracted to abusive men because those men OUTWARDLY act confident, INSIDE they're scared as fuck about losing her, so they compensate. Directing women like you're talking about is based out of Fear of Loss.

                Now confident men who aren't fearful of loss, if someone doesn't like them "Fuck em, its their loss. If my girl cheats on me? well shes a cunt, move on" But confident strong men act in a way their girl doesn't want to cheat on them. You cant control women, unless you want to physically chain them up.

                If you've seen the show Vikings? Ragnar is the embodiment of masculine energy.

                Not just because he is a Waring viking. People whine at him all the time, test his emotional strength. Not insecure, If someone wants his woman, he talks about it, fights them, not controlling out of fear. He knows his mission and purpose and works to accomplish that. He stays centered and unmovable. That's what inspires trust.

                In life there are Outward action and Inward reasons for those actions.

                "Dominating"= Outward action that can is driven through Inward reason. What is your inward reason?

                1. Knowing you're the best, if anyone challenges you, you don't necessarily have to puff your chest to prove anything. That proving your dick is bigger is based on Fear you'll be shown as not as good.

                2. Fear mind set is out to prove "I'm better because i'm afraid of being beaten".

                1 is a masculine quality

                2 is a feminine quality.

                Yes in my observation Men are the Leaders Women are the followers. My Contention= When Men act Like Men, Women feel the security and want to let you be the leader. its not about forcing that's "The Illusion Of Action".

                I reccomend you read https://understandingrelationships.com/free-ebook and go on his youtube channel.

                https://www.youtube.com/user/coachcoreywayne

                [–]mofono 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The more I interact with women, the more I realize that I should not try to change them as they try to change me. I should just walk away. Giving up is not weakness but strength. A man going his own way is free from the shackles that threaten to enslave him.

                [–]Tacticalogistics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The emancipation of women, and furthering of their rights, harms civilization, and makes them unhappy (excerpt from "On Women" by Arthur Schopenhauer)

                In the West, the woman, that is to say the “lady,” finds herself in a fausse [artificial] position; for woman, rightly named by the ancients sexus sequior, is by no means fit to be the object of our honour and veneration, or to hold her head higher than man and to have the same rights as he. The consequences of this fausse position are sufficiently clear. Accordingly, it would be a very desirable thing if this Number Two of the human race in Europe were assigned her natural position, and the lady-grievance got rid of, which is not only ridiculed by the whole of Asia, but would have been equally ridiculed by Greece and Rome. The result of this would be that the condition of our social, civil, and political affairs would be incalculably improved. The Salic law would be unnecessary; it would be a superfluous truism. The European lady, strictly speaking, is a creature who should not exist at all; but there ought to be housekeepers, and young girls who hope to become such; and they should be brought up not to be arrogant, but to be domesticated and submissive. It is exactly because there are ladies in Europe that women of a lower standing, that is to say, the greater majority of the sex, are much more unhappy than they are in the East.

                [–]strongFitVirile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I want to fuck the world. Make it my lover. While staying debt free, lean of body, and maintaining emotional mastery.

                I've worked hard since 2013 to execute on my plan to live a life I designed. I can not wait to see what 2017 holds. I'm not there yet, but I'm building momentum.

                Take a hard look at your life. Eliminate downside. And revel in the change in mindset this brings.

                Gentlemen, the world is a pussy. Grab it and make it yours.

                "The first step toward antifragility consists in first decreasing downside, rather than increasing upside..." Taleb, Antifragile

                [–]WeightsNCheatDates 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Amazing, simply amazing.

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                [–]good_guy_submitter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This is pretty much how men should be reacting to feminists. https://youtu.be/d4JTvJ9E4lU?t=323

                [–]Bhuddav1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                the more i think about the troubles of getting a good women, i do my best to screen every second i can and make her want to be her best for me. If she doesn't want to have my kid's and be my wife I don't have time for her past fucking her if i haven't found another candidate and move on.

                just want to say on women acting like children i have tried to hunt down and destroy any conformation bias i have got from here, but it's pretty hard when you live with them and not come to the realization.

                [–]This1sMyWorkAccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Are there any risks that arise with suppression towards women and rights? Just playing devils advocate and hypothetical situation here, but what if the feminist movement gets to a certain point where it explodes (either good or bad). What is our role in the aftermath?

                Just curious what some of your thoughts are.

                [–]Isdogatree 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This is hopeless unless you make redpill political. And as soon as you make redpill political, its going down.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                What part in the Bible does it say that? Just curious

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