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Field ReportNever ever let your emotions show during an argument with a woman (self.TheRedPill)

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I have a very hard time not letting my emotions show through in an argument. I start off strong and then falter when things get too heated. It's something I've been trying to work on and have made strides in, but have not mastered.

However, my ground was held last night and it made the biggest difference. My girlfriend recently broke her foot (like within the week) and I've been taking care of her; bringing her to classes, carrying her shit so she can use the crutches, etc.

She also has ZERO patience in the car. If a wrong turn is made, she gets annoyed very quickly. We live in an apartment and couldn't find a single free parking spot street level. Long story short, I end up messing up the directions she gave me to an open spot and she started SCREAMING; "King-Macbeth, what the FUCK are you doing?! Seriously babe, what the FUCK?! I swear to GOD IF WE LOSE THIS FUCKING SPOT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO SHIT!!"

I wanted so badly to scream back, but I realized that I've been helping her since her accident. I have all of the leverage. She has no right to talk to me like that. I said nothing all the while she is screaming. Stone-faced. I parked and was about to get out. "Aren't you going to say anything?!"

"I don't talk with people who can't act like an adult."

Silence. We get into the apartment and it's silent for 30 minutes. I'm cleaning our room and getting my shit in order while she just sits on the bed. She then says "Can I have a kiss?"

Response: "With the way you acted? Do you think you deserve a kiss?"

Silence, again. After a few more minutes she breaks down and cries. She says that she really appreciates me and that she wasn't mad at me, her foot was just hurting really badly. She apologized profusely.

For the rest of the night, she was as docile as a deer.

Lesson learned: Never show any emotion. Treat her as a child until she proves otherwise. You don't stoop to the level of children.


[–]NeoreactionSafe 168 points169 points  (41 children)

 

What did she learn?

 

She learned she can abuse you verbally and at the end of the day all she has to do is relax and do nothing.

There was no actual punishment psychologically... she will repeat this behavior. (she will, really)

Your puppy (girlfriend) must be trained to not do this again.

All this did was let her know her behavior would have little effect (which is a start) but she isn't going to feel inhibited from doing this in the future.

Years of this "Hen Pecking" will wear you down and you will be her beta slave.

I also read some manipulation on her part:

 

She says that she really appreciates me and that she wasn't mad at me, her foot was just hurting really badly. She apologized profusely.

 

You are effectively "giving her permission" to blow up at you any time her "feelz" are triggered. But I'm sure if things were reversed and you were in pain you would not be allowed since she would characterize you as being a "toxic male".

Just some things to think about... though I'll agree people do behave worse when in physical pain, however this signals how she will process unpleasant feelz. She will always assume if she is in pain she can abuse you verbally.

A stoic male can suffer enormous pain in quiet, women not so much.

Ideally you teach her that when in pain she must "go passive" and let you have full control. You want her to retreat into her feelz and not be given the idea she can act it out... drama wise.

 

The Proof

 

The proof of what I'm saying will be what happens next time.

If the next time she feels any pain (like her menstruation cycle) she uses it as an excuse for abusing you verbally I'll be proven correct. Please write another report in the future and tell us what happens.

 

[–]1redpillthrowaway34 37 points38 points  (6 children)

Out of curiosity, what would your response be for this situation?

[–]Bitchezbecrayy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Dread game.

There is a reason why women fear their men engaging in emotional affairs as opposed to just physical ones. The former might lead to the transfer of resources/provision from her to the woman you're engaging in said affair with.

Ideally, you want to withdraw emotions and casually hit up a few women in your vicinity, whether that be in the form of catching up with an old flame or scouting for new plates. You want her to know this, not by being overt, but by implication. Won't be long before you have your bitch eating out of your hands.

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 25 points26 points  (9 children)

 

What did she learn?

 

She learned she can abuse you verbally and at the end of the day all she has to do is relax and do nothing.

There was no actual punishment psychologically... she will repeat this behavior. (she will, really)

Your puppy (girlfriend) must be trained to not do this again.

All this did was let her know her behavior would have little effect (which is a start) but she isn't going to feel inhibited from doing this in the future.

This is so true, it's not some woman hating theory by some angry neck beard.

This is exactly what happened to me. Would have a fight with my ex, which was as RP on my side as a fight can be. I'd ignore her emotionally and physically, basically giving her the silent treatment, and after a few days she'd meekly come to me, push my office chair on the side and apologize. Then get in my lap, we'd cuddle and it was all OK again.

How was I 'traininig' her? You go ape shit, I'll ignore you, and all you have to do to make it all good again is apologize and cuddle. Kick me in the nuts and say "I'm sorry".

The really funny thing is that I noticed the pattern myself. It happened many times. And thought of it often, trying to figure out how to break it. What was really holding my complete RP awakening was the belief that her apology actually meant something. The belief that I didn't have to administer any punishment because the apology was "voluntary", so she clearly must have acknowledged her mistakes. She already learned, I believed.

Now I know better. Punishment MUST be administered, or she'll never be properly trained learn.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (8 children)

You are choosing a dvd for tonight

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 15 points16 points  (4 children)

What exactly is this "punishment"?

Genuine question.

It's a fair question... As you can guess, it varies from woman to woman, and from situation to situation.

In my case, at first I thought just the silent treatment will be enough, it's a form of dread. But it wasn't, as the pattern kept emerging. She was depending on me financially, so cut off any "allowance" could have been a punishment.

On the other side of the spectrum are the "do" punishments instead of "don't". You can ask her to do something for you. Say you give her the silent treatment, when she wants to apologise, you tell her it's not over until your apt is clean. Or your shirts pressed. Or some other unpleasant chore completed.

It has to be unpleasant, btw. If she loves to cook, and you ask her to cook for you, she'll be happy and that's no real punishment.

Point is, the action she should perform has to be unpleasant, or there's no psychological mechanism stopping her from fucking up again.

You can also cancel that great concert you two had to go to. For her, you go with another plate, or your mates. Or she has to pay for dinner.

Once a plate was late early on, I told her she'll pay for drinks. She did, but was still not enough, eventually tardiness resurfaced.

Caveat. Some women are beyond repair. If you realise she's a glutton for punishment and a psycho, hard next as soon as you reach the conclusion.

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    [–]RedEyesBlueShades 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Thank you for this. My gf has a love for offensive nagging, my only arsenal were only dread game and slient treatment, now I can add "unpleasant demand" as punishment.

    Some caveats... If you give her the silent treatment because you're butthurt by her offensive nagging, you lost 100%. A good way to tell is if she's the one coming to you or you eventually break the silence.

    Second, if you've never administered punishment, she'll easily laugh in your face - What the hell does this butthurt beta think he is, demanding stuff from me, an alpha?? In this case you have to start slowly.

    No kiss goodbye or hello. Or just ask her to leave. Or walk away, back home possibly, if you're out.

    But, and this is key, do not act butthurt! Would you be butthurt if the party was lame and you decided to leave? No. Likewise, you are leaving (administering punishment) because she's not worthy of anything better. Behave, get the carrot. Misbehave, get the stick.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My gf was the one who apologise afterward, so it has been quite effective for me what I was doing.

    I do not show any kind of weakness whatsoever, I laugh it off, show no interest, etc.

    I practice what you say constantly.

    [–]aDrunkenWhaler 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    Dread game. You put her in bed, put a water bottle next to her, and say bye. Don't answer calls or texts.

    If you live together, come back the next day or the day after. If she throws a tantrum, change clothes, get a few spare ones, and leave imediatelly. Come back several days later. Fuck her broken leg, she can crawl or call her friends.

    If you don't leave together, wait a couple extra days the first time.

    [–]thewrightstuff88 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Dread game is what you do before she apologizes, instead of emotionally lashing out. The question is what to do afterwards, more dread game?

    [–]aDrunkenWhaler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Just act normal. If you do the dread game correctly, she will be at her best behaviour afterwards, or at least for some time. If she still acts out, triple the dread game or simply next her. The goal is not for her to apologize, thay means nothing. The goal is for her to fear she will loose you.

    [–]Stythe 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Agreed. I see a lot of people assuming no reaction is the right reaction. That's only half true at best. No reaction is appropriate only insofar as letting someone realize they can't get to you. The follow up needs to be repurcussions of some sort indicating corrective action that must be followed.

    [–]1ozaku7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Just some things to think about... though I'll agree people do behave worse when in physical pain, however this signals how she will process unpleasant feelz. She will always assume if she is in pain she can abuse you verbally.

    I don't agree. Physical pain has little to do with this. She will use anything as an excuse, but never admit that she was at fault herself. Women don't like admitting fault, as they see it as an emergency toolkit to get themselves out of deep shit when it turns out that their other tools (crying, blaming anything else but themselves, etc) doesn't work.

    I've seen it firsthand just yesterday. My girlfriend treated me like shit over the phone, treated her even worse back to remind her that I don't take that kind of shit. Starts crying, calling me disrespectful and whatnot, and doesn't want to come anymore on Sunday. 10 minutes later she starts twisting the situation around into her own favor, within another 10 minutes she jumps into her car, drives to my house, cooks for me, we watch a movie (implied that I would definitely fuck that hot actress if she would lie next to me right now, with a smile on my face), cuddles up with me when we go to sleep, but I don't reciprocate because I'm just turned off from that behaviour (I gave her a chance to make it right). I lied there like a dead fish, she would just come closer and grind my leg, to no avail. Eventually, she apologized. She didn't say for what, just "I apologize.". For what do you apologize? And then the explanation came, that she looked back during our phonecall and realized that she was behaving like a stupid bitch lately (really). "Ok" and fell asleep. Que next morning, she initiates cuddling, I just mentally objectify her and treat her like a sexdoll. She gets soaking wet, tries new positions, pulled out the vibration ring that she previously disliked. I'm done with her, we shower, she cleans my entire apartment and leaves back home to meet her friends with whom she already had set a time and date.

    Women don't want to make any effort, until they feel they have to in order to get what they want. I got fucked, cooked for, a clean apartment and my clothes washed. All I had to do is to treat her like garbage when she treated me like shit. And that wasn't from a strategic point of view or as a game. I was genuinely done with her crap behaviour lately, and honestly didn't think that it all would go this far.

    [–]JustDoMeee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This happens because the interaction ended on HER terms, you're basically now in her frame if you accept her apology and forgive her for it.

    A solution to this is by not entering her frame, rejecting her apology and anything she throws at you to forgive her, you then tell her "I'll speak to you when I feel like it" and then do your own shit for a day, go out with friends etc. Next day initiate full contact like nothing ever happened.

    The main thing to get across to her is that those types of interactions will only end on YOUR terms and not from her apologies.

    Bring her into your frame.

    [–]TangoZulu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I think you're overreaching a bit. The way he handled it was perfect for the situation. He didn't lose frame, shut down the argument and made it clear that she was being childish and he wouldn't be a part of it. Will she act out again? Maybe, but that's not proof of anything other than she's a woman and AWALT. But if he is consistent moving forward, she will learn that she won't get the reaction and drama she craves from it.

    [–]theONE843663 7 points8 points  (11 children)

    You're Goddamn right! When she beg for kiss, OP should have just said a stern NO then said I'm going out with my friends and fucked another bitch ASAP that night (even an escort if he couldn't pull).

    No picking up calls, no response to texts.

    [–]Buchloe 16 points17 points  (6 children)

    ...why are people downvoting this? If you don't make repurcussions crystal fucking clear, you're in for a world of constant BS. I think some of you people are on the wrong sub.

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      [–]Buchloe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Totally man. EVERY TIME I have a big, long ass conversation explaining why I'm mad, I just look like a bitch. Makes for a wall of text she won't even read. She knows very well that you're mad and why. And you know she knows, so there's no explaining

      [–]theONE843663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Sigh... this is what happens with any movement like this. What we're observing here is "Hard men make good times, good times make soft pussies, and soft pussies make hard times!" on a microcosmic level right here in this sub.

      Perhaps what these newbies don't realize how to discipline children. Women = children right? Well not fucking literally. Best way to get your point across to adult teenagers is by withdrawal of what they most desperately desire: Your attention/affection.

      The drama game she's playing is a test to gauge your reaction to her bullshit. What's the point of giving her exactly what she craves the most? Fucking purple pill faggots need to learn the art of indifference; and also how to skillfully use negative reinforcement.

      I'll say this again: bitches can SMELL the pussy on a man... and they love that man for it.

      [–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      The people downvoting do not seem to understand the importance of negative reinforcement; and the only way a man can use it on a woman is by withdrawing his attention. Aka, not fucking engaging in a conversation with her and leaving mysteriously to start up that hamster wheel.

      [–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      For real. Watch your own back. If something isn't serving your needs, walk. Pure and simple. If the girl wants you enough to fix it, then good. If not, bye bye bird

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Probably because screwing another girl whilst with another is a bad idea.

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        [–]logicalthinker1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        There's a reason it's called the nuclear option...

        [–]theONE843663 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        The reason it is getting downvoted is because people assume that I meant break up with her when I said go and get laid. I didn't say break up... I said go and get laid. Bitches can fucking smell it on you when you have recently been laid.

        The NO should be stern yet playful. It's not a nuclear next. It's just a timeout from her bullshit. Then you go fuck her the next day.

        The reason this was downvoted cuz the pussy ass purple pill morons here don't believe in male sexual dominance.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I would have made it about her making up to him for the tantrum. A sloppy deep throat is a good start to making up.

        [–]Poofysmoof 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think he did what he was able to do. He did say he gets very emotional, so this is his first step. First you have to realize if there is any hope for the relationship. Truly if she would have just continued with bad behavior then one can only assume she's just trying to push for something else. Seeing her reaction is also assuring to him, it is also nice to see what you learn here is actually true. There are times where I want to get emotional and I have to hold it in because it's likely a shit test and boom teachings were right I was wrong. But back to my point next he'll be able to confront her issues instead of shutting down and or getting emotional. I'd say good start.

        [–]PranksterLad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        So what would you have done Neo in this situation?

        [–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Exactly punishment - which is already the consequence of having not enough power in the perception of others - has to be swift. WWCD - What would Chad do? Pull over the car right after the incident and ask her to get out, shall the girl walk home.

        [–]Fall7Stand8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Most of your posts I agree with. This one is different.

        This is not a black-white scenario. This is a long game. It's about escalation. He acted cool the first time. She obviously felt he was displeased, but didn't lose frame. The next time, you escalate it. Don't call her back. Find work to keep you busy for a few days. She'll begin to get the hint, or it's just not going to work.

        Women are emotional and have little patience when it comes to relationships. They are used to getting their own way; instant gratification. Denying this confuses them. Now, there's a chance she'll leave if your SMV isn't on par, but more often then not, they'll stay. Remember, frame is the key here. Not losing your cool.

        [–]fanfarius -1 points0 points  (3 children)

        Why not just yell back? Why not show emotions. They're there for a reason. Why not use them to our benefit?

        [–]Newgame95 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

        Applies to this discussion if you just exchange "stupid" with "emotional".

        This is not a call to never be emotional, rather to pick your fights.

        [–]Westernhagen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is not a call to never be emotional, rather to pick your fights.

        If she is screaming and cussing at you, you NEED to have that fight. It will never stop unless and until you win that fight.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You can't intellectually win an argument.

        "Everything is a test"

        She's trying to shittest you to see if you're beta enough to try engage her emotional rant and will put up with her behaviour. You need to punish her with dread game. Or she'll lose all respect for you and any sexual attraction will be gone. She needs to be made to understand you can next her at any time. She needs to know you have more than enough alternative choices. Abundance game theory. You need to give her tasks to perform. If you do this right (and she isn't a lost cause) She'll be giving you deepthroat or sex on demand. She'll do anything you want, as you've made her see that you're worth more than she thought.

        Usually when you see a woman start acting out, its because she's started thinking you're actually a beta and she's trying to make sure you're still the man that makes her wet. She's asking you to prove it to her. To "win her back" by being an Alpha.

        She won't hesitate even a tiny bit to next you if you mess up or she finds a better provider of resources. A man truly loves, but a woman rarely does and mostly loves her resources. Sure there are exceptions and truly honorable women who will stick with you through thick and thin, but you have to prove to them that you're worth it. This is just the way the world works.

        [–]spazgamz 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        Usually, they're not even my emotions. They're hers. Whenever I step away from her point of view and think for myself the emotion goes away.

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 21 points22 points  (1 child)

        "Can I have a kiss?"

        "With the way you acted? Do you think you deserve a kiss?"

        Perfectly executed. Daddy-status confirmed.

        Sometimes we have to give our girls the discipline they need, rather than the indulgence that they want. It's for their own good.

        [–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Totally agree. She's just trying to patch it up with sexual favors, as spreading her legs for 5 minutes obviously takes much less effort than trying to make it right through long-term change of behaviour or other ACTS (not words) of appreciation and apologizing. Users who write that he should have fucked her would only reward her and reinforce the believe that she can make a dissatisfied man satisfied again, instead of using sex as a tool to keep a man satisfied. Send a puppy to the corner after it did something bad, and pet it once it shows its puppy eyes. It won't learn to refrain from doing what it did wrong, it only learns to use those puppy eyes to get out of problems.

        [–]Conceited-Monkey 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        An old saying is that the first person to raise their voice in an argument is the one who loses.

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        [–]pingpongsam 28 points29 points  (1 child)

        No, bitches don't generally start off with that behavior. They keep testing boundaries until one day guys realize they're being screamed at and insulted. When you establish healthy boundaries up front and enforce them this shit never starts.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        she should do far more than what she did in that situation and you should have done far more as well to punish her.

        Maybe, but she almost never breaks down as she did. I took it as a strong enough sign, but for almost all women you're right. This shit should be punished more in most circumstances.

        [–]Filthy_Rich_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I thought you did good. Make sure to escalate the punishments each time she misbehaves.

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 59 points60 points  (24 children)

        Allow me to cut and paste myself.

        Don't argue with women. There is no judge. There is no jury There is no deciding panel. She knows this which is why she runs to her friends; they become her stacked jury.

        Seriously, don't fucking fight. State your position. Allow her to state hers. Alter yours if it makes sense. Otherwise you are the rock. If she throws a tantrum, walk away. If she cranks it up, show her the door. Never put as much as a pinky on her. Do no raise your voice. Don't bring up shit from the past. Feel free to whip out your camera and take video of the tantrum; they make for good youtube uploads and I get a kick out of them.

        Treat her as a child until she proves otherwise.

        Moar sidebar. You are expecting her to act like a male. It will never happen. She isn't a child; she is a female. She will use apparently irrational behaviors to manipulate you. IGNORE IT.

        Response: "With the way you acted? Do you think you deserve a kiss?"

        This is not ignoring it. You should have kissed her and then fucked her. Her manipulative moment was over. If it didn't work, you succeeded. Now enjoy some pussy as a reward.

        Life isn't a contest. You two won't appear in front of the pearly gates to be judged for how many times you each won and lost these interactions.

        But yes, don't show emotion.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 35 points36 points  (5 children)

        Agreed. Men who argue with women don't understand women.

        The only way you can "win" an argument with a woman is to convince her she doesn't feel the way that she does. But of course she feels that way, regardless of how consistent those feelings are with the facts of the situation. Arguing with her is a fool's errand.

        [–]KenMastersMD 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        "The only way you can "win" an argument with a woman is to convince her she doesn't feel the way that she does."

        This is probably the most concise way to describe the subject matter. Well done

        [–]no_face 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Its the jedi mind trick "No, you feel good about me staying out late"

        [–]PranksterLad 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        How do you convince a woman she doesnt feel the way that she does?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Believe what you're saying/how you're saying it. Sell the lie and she'll most likely buy it...

        [–]Momo_dollar 15 points16 points  (7 children)

        "This is not ignoring it. You should have kissed her and then fucked her. Her manipulative moment was over."

        Actually this is the one part I think you MIGHT be wrong on, and MIGHT still have been manipulative behaviour. She wants him to kiss and then initiate sex so that she can deny him sex and say "my foot hurts" or any other random bullshit, she still keeps plausible deniability because all she asked for was a kiss and she can say he was the one that decided to get horny was inconsiderate of her foot injury. I think it was her last attempt to break him by trickery/ enticement because of the way she said it. One of them ones depends on the girl, and tone etc. But from the way it's written that's the vibe I get.

        Besides sex shouldn't be a reward for a guy in a relationship it's fun shit that both do... when guys start viewing it as a reward that starts a slippery slope and the female will quickly clock onto it and use it

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 5 points6 points  (6 children)

        she can deny him sex

        Well, you see, this will not be happening. The door is over there. I understand there will be times when sex isn't really the best thing for a woman, but being in a bitch mood isn't one of those. If a woman ever weaponizes sex, she is gone in 30 seconds.

        And your foot isn't your ass, lady.

        reward for a guy i

        Captain Pedant here for a public service announcement: I was really just talking about him rewarding himself. Women do not reward men. They either take what they want or they set up a transaction, either of which might result in a wet dick.

        [–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        To get your wet dick is just a short term satisfaction and her sexual offers to fix her fault is nothing more than patchwork. You're rewarding yourself short-term, but fucking yourself over long-term. Denying her sex will either fix her behaviour long-term, or she will be shown the door. By your approach, you're not doing yourself any favors here, just teaching her it's okay to act like a cunt as long as you spread your legs for 5 minutes afterwards, instead of treating you right and rewarding her with a good and hard fuck.

        "She treated me like shit. I will fuck her hard like every woman wants as punishment, that will show her!" If a man would tell this to me, it would indicate a lack of selfrespect.

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        just teaching her it's okay to act like a cunt

        You don't teach women diddly shit. They act like a cunt because it comes naturally. Get this into your head: they never stop testing you. Ever. You need to be a wall. You need to be a master of serenity inside your your head when queen-bitch starts testing you for genetic suitability. IGNORE her shit. Don't engage it. Don't take it. Let it bounce off and it will stop. Then fuck her.

        Let's get this out there one more time: you cannot change women. They will always test you. All you can change is you. Become the wall.

        I will fuck her hard like every woman wants as punishment

        Sex is a punishment? I think you are doing it wrong. Hell, I've beaten the hell out of some women during sex (their explicit desire) and they certainly didn't see it as punishment.

        [–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        You don't teach women diddly shit. They act like a cunt because it comes naturally.

        No, she has been with men that allowed them to act like this.

        Get this into your head: they never stop testing you. Ever. You need to be a wall. You need to be a master of serenity inside your your head when queen-bitch starts testing you for genetic suitability.

        True, women test you. Toddlers test you. Dogs test you. Your boss at work tests you. Your colleagues test you. If you fail with anyone, they will walk over you just as hard as the women in your life. It's just that the typical beta endures more from his plate/gf/wife because they put her pussy on a pedastal.

        Sex is a punishment? I think you are doing it wrong. Hell, I've beaten the hell out of some women during sex (their explicit desire) and they certainly didn't see it as punishment.

        Read the entire sentence "She treated me like shit. I will fuck her hard like every woman wants as punishment, that will show her!" If a man would tell this to me, it would indicate a lack of selfrespect.

        It's a reply to your statement that OP should have fucked his girlfriend after she asked for a kiss, while before she has treated him like crap, blamed her foot instead of herself and the only effort she took to make things right was through effortless words and tears.

        I will state it more clearly. Fucking her after the shit she has pulled without proper consequences is just like giving your dog a cookie after it crapped on your carpet. It's reinforcing bad behaviour through effortless apology. It because of shit like this that woman do crap like they do. People like you simply make them get away with it. Guess what. She got to be disrespectful, didn't acknowledge fault, AND she got laid. Well done.

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        No, she has been with men that allowed them to act like this.

        No. That's just wrong. They never stop it. They never stop testing you for genetic suitability. You don't own her; it's just your turn. There is a reason for this.

        If a man would tell this to me, it would indicate a lack of selfrespect.

        Yeah, I'm not tying her behavior to her sexual availability to me. She is ALWAYS available to me (with obvious legitimate health and logistical exceptions) or she is not with me. If you are going to hook up some ambiguous sense of respect to when you are going to stick your dick in her, then you are going to be spending a lot of time jerking yourself off.

        just like giving your dog

        She isn't a dog, but we've gone over this already, haven't we?

        [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        No. That's just wrong. They never stop it. They never stop testing you for genetic suitability.

        Nope, beta men allowed them to act like cunts.

        You don't own her; it's just your turn. There is a reason for this.

        True, but how is this relevant?

        Yeah, I'm not tying her behavior to her sexual availability to me. She is ALWAYS available to me (with obvious legitimate health and logistical exceptions) or she is not with me. If you are going to hook up some ambiguous sense of respect to when you are going to stick your dick in her, then you are going to be spending a lot of time jerking yourself off.

        Only good girls are allowed to sit on my dick. I have standards and the pussy off the pedastal.

        She isn't a dog, but we've gone over this already, haven't we?

        Physically, not, psychologically, they are alike.

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Physically, not, psychologically, they are alike.

        Uhhh.... Maybe we aren't talking about the same species of female?

        Only good girls are allowed to sit on my dick

        How boring. Fuck that shit. My favorite subs are brats. Breaking them is all the fun (and for them too). Anyway, I think we've hit the end here; we are just going in circles. Frankly, I think you have a lot of pill left to swallow if you think you can make a girl good. The second they stop testing is when they've already found a target branch.

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

        You should have kissed her and then fucked her.

        I get what you're saying here, but with a recently broken foot that was still painful even on meds? Not happening.

        Rest of the post is spot-on IMO.

        [–]Jani1157 36 points37 points  (1 child)

        Plus, if you had kissed and fucked her, you would have been rewarding the bad behavior still. At that point she didn't apologize or realize she did something wrong. She did however after a brilliant response. Then you would have been good.

        [–]2435734098 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        This. He did really well there, however once she breaks down and begs for forgiveness it's all good to go. Depends on your libido really.

        [–]TomFoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I agree. Excellent execution.

        [–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Response: "With the way you acted? Do you think you deserve a kiss?" This is not ignoring it. You should have kissed her and then fucked her. Her manipulative moment was over. If it didn't work, you succeeded. Now enjoy some pussy as a reward.

        I don't agree with this. You give her what she wants after using her broken foot as an excuse to treat him like crap, after having helped her all day long. Either she wants the kiss to feel that you still care about her, or to make you feel better. Note how it wasn't even her that came to him to give him a kiss, but him to come to her. The nerve. Never admit to sexual favors in these kinds of situations, because she will mask (not solve like she believes) these problems with sex, instead of adjusting her behaviour accordingly so she doesn't pull that crap on him again. Worse, she will refrain from having sex and use it to control the mans emotions and solve problems. It becomes more of a controlling or fixing tool instead of a tool to have fun and strengthen the relationship. Only when his GF recognizes that he is so done with her that he won't even fuck her, she will start making effort that takes more energy than just spreading her legs for a couple of minutes.

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        See the problem with this is you have given her actions way more thought than they deserve. In fact, they deserve no thought. She bitches out? Ignore. She wants a kiss? Fuck. Don't get wrapped up in these social-political analytics; that's the sort of shit women do amongst themselves all the time. Be you. Accept the good parts of her (nice smile, warm pussy, pretty face, soft voice) and IGNORE the bad parts (tantrums, etc). This isn't a war. This isn't a contest. You aren't going to maximize your profits if you figure out just the right way to deal with her. If she pleases you, she stays. If she displeases you, she goes. If she acts like a typical female from time to time, let her get it out of her system, but don't give her an inch for it. IGNORE.

        [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        How much thought do you think I would give it at that moment? It's simple. "I won't kiss of fuck you. Make it up to me through effort". If it happens way too often, fuck off entirely. Do you want to be with a woman that's acting like a bitch all the time? No, noone does. But ignoring their disrespect to you only makes you lose ther respect she has towards you, and the self-respect you already don't have at that point. It's a weakness that proves you can't stand up for yourself and you lack standards. Much like driving a car with check engine lights all over it, ignoring the issues, only to wonder why it fell apart a couple of thousand miles later.

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Do you want to be with a woman that's acting like a bitch all the time?

        Aka ALL women? AWALT. Chad Thundercock sees it as much as you and I see it. He knows that he only passes test when tests are actually given. It's the natural order of things. He just does not give one fuck about it.

        But ignoring their disrespect

        Women never respect you. They behave or misbehave based on your power. Stop seeking validation in their opinion of you. Their opinion is as fluid as the ocean. Care only about what they do.

        [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Aka ALL women? AWALT. Chad Thundercock sees it as much as you and I see it. He knows that he only passes test when tests are actually given. It's the natural order of things. He just does not give one fuck about it.

        You must have terrible women in your life for them to behave like complete cunts ALL THE TIME. I would have a permament flacid in your area.

        Women never respect you. They behave or misbehave based on your power. Stop seeking validation in their opinion of you. Their opinion is as fluid as the ocean. Care only about what they do.

        I don't need validation. Either behave and stay, or don't and GTFO. Do you even read, or are you choking in the red pill ever since you took it?

        [–]1redpillthrowaway34 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        She says that she really appreciates me and that she wasn't mad at me, her foot was just hurting really badly. She apologized profusely.

        Hahahaha

        The hamster is amazing isn't it?

        More like "I thought you were a little bitch because you were helping me all week, so I wanted to upgrade myself and test your manhood, but you passed and now I'm sorry only because I got called out for it."

        [–]Rommel0502 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Great story. If I have a fault I need work on, its my temper. The person who runs my business is a female. She knows how to run that business, but good God does she shit tests like no other. I have failed these at times from her in the past by letting my temper get the best of me, but posts like the above have helped.

        [–]mlgwarrior420 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Nice story :) i've learned to not show my emotions in any argument as well, but with family. Usually they tend to feel embarrassed or stupid for talking instead of thinking.

        [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Never let your emotions show ever with a woman, unless you are in an established LTR, and even then only sparingly. Not just in arguments.

        Women want emotional rocks. When they realize you are not an emotional rock, they will leave

        [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 8 points9 points  (3 children)

        I disagree with "don't show emotion."

        How's this: don't HAVE emotion.

        If a bitch wants to fight with you, you shouldn't be emotionally invested in her. And if you are emotionally invested, you need to uninvest and takes your funds elsewhere.

        OP is an abusive relationship but he's too emotionally invested to get out. The right answer is "I don't feel like you appreciate me, so I'm leaving." Maybe give her a chance to get her act together, but if she doesn't, next and don't ever look back.

        You should never put yourself in a situation where a woman can make you upset. You should play your game of 4D intergalactic chess in such a way that you always win. She should KNOW that she can never make you upset because you are only interested in her if she provides positive emotions; if she provides negativity she ceases to exist.

        [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Emotional investment is nothing more than a developed dependency on said woman. You can show emotion by telling her how annoyed you are with her behaviour, and it would be better for her to just walk through the door. As a human being you will always have emotion, but you will never be upset or feel bad about a woman leaving you if you don't depend on her. You want her to be with you, but not when she's acting like OP's GF. Reinforcing that you welcome good behaviour, but reject bad.

        [–]xinihil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Attachment is the word you seek.

        The Buddhists spoke of eliminating attachment, the Stoics of passions. Old advice still works.

        [–]iliketreeslikereally 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        If my girlfriend did this I'd dump her.

        You are putting up with a lot of shit, but this is a big step in the right direction. Keep enforcing boundaries. Don't even let it come close to this. There are no excuses.

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        [–]OneLifeSucks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Women aren't really logical so by even arguing with them, you're fucking up. If a girl has an issue with something, be willing to walk away. Girl's should never really know your opinion on polar issues anyway. Let them assume what they want about you because if they find you attractive, they'll generate a more positive hamster image of you by themselves. Once you start defending your position on shit, it's over. She shouldn't even know your "positions" unless you're in a relationship.

        [–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Well done. Idiots in here saying to dump her have no experience with women. You wouldn't get rid of your dog if he fucks up once. You punish him and then reward good behavior.

        I think you handled it well. Don't be angry or reserved. Just nice and calm. Accept her apology if you think it's heartfelt, and then try to ignore her for the day. The next day starts a new

        [–]Westernhagen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You wouldn't get rid of your dog if he fucks up once.

        Oh I bet this wasn't her first fuckup or the first time she screamed or cussed at him. This was the result of a long period of her pushing the envelope at his expense.

        [–]emerg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Wow. I loved that last line.

        [–]Docbear64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        All hail the Thane of Cawdor , sorry couldn't resist.

        [–]suske127 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Don't NEVER show emotion; that's only good advice in the first couple weeks you've known a girl, or if you want her as a plate.

        If you're trying to have a LTR, you should show emotion, gradually. The longer you've been together, the more you can show; However, never show Anger. She'll know when she fucks up 90% of the time if you just "punish" her afterwards (i.e dread game, paying less attention to her (like you staying silent in the car))

        Glad you're making progress brother

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Shouldn't even be arguing.

        "You can't win an argument".

        [–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Silence, again. After a few more minutes she breaks down and cries. She says that she really appreciates me and that she wasn't mad at me, her foot was just hurting really badly. She apologized profusely.

        She is avoiding responsibility for her action. It wasn't me! It was my foot that screamed at you! How did you escalate this?

        Women will always seek an excuse like this as a way out to make themselves not at fault, nor feel bad about themselves.

        Such a woman deserves to be treated like shit during such explosions. You can't do shit, OP? What can she do? She has her foot broken, unable to go to classes herself, carry her own stuff (backpacks???) and more? She's acting more disabled than a person in a wheelchair, and you accept being called useless while she is using you for her own convenience.

        The only right behaviour would be to stop the car, throw the carkeys on her lap and just go home and come back when she corrects her behaviour and apologizes for her shit. The next day, I would bring her to her class, but put all her shit in her backpack so she can carry it herself. Her foot is broken, her back isn't. As for the "But my foot hurts!" excuse, that's much the same like fucking her best friend and saying "But my dick got hard!".

        Crying and TELLING you is a convenient and fast way for women to make things right, they believe. Keeping their emotions stable and SHOWING you through ACTION that they appreciate you is much more difficult for women to do. You should make clear that crying won't make anything better, rather it would make it worse for herself and that words don't hold any value.

        Treat women equally, preferably worse than they treat you. Treat them good when they treat you very good, and treat them like garbage when they treat you like shit.

        [–]Level_Dreaded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The opposite of love isn't hate. It is indifference, learn the power of it and you'll be bulletproof in every interaction.

        Back in high school i was driving my then girlfriend and her friends home my girlfriend slapped me on my face when we got into a heated debate. I slammed on the brakes, parked the car and looked her dead in the eyes with a harsh stare i held for a solid 7 seconds. The entire car was dead silent and uncomfortably so. I put the car back in gear and drove on. I drove her friend home who ran like the car was on fire. Enter the usual hamstering of apology and getting caught up in the moment and I responded to nothing, I didn't bite I didnt care, I didnt speak, didnt kiss her.

        After a full day of radio silence and watching her squirm on social media about "how one mistake can really be the end of something wonderful" I broke my silence a few hours later when i called her.

        "if you ever hit me like that again you will not even hear from me. We will be done, and I'll be thankful for it"

        "I'm sorry, baby."

        Indifference, not hate. And yes, it never happened again.

        unrelated note, this was also the senior year I was in a polyamorous pact with her, the friend in the car that saw this go down, and another friend. Not related but this incident certainly didn't hurt haha.

        [–]boom_bostic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Geez....sounds like she straight up punked you out like a bitch....& not only did you allow it....you then rewarded her by continuing to care for her & clean house. Seriously, back in the day I'd do this same shit to my gfs & not only would they let me get away w it but would often continue treating me like a king. Dude, it sounds like she's got you bro.

        [–]MrWombatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I can't speak for everyone else, but I just finished dealing with a "princess". During our first outing, she decided to act up. I cut her off for six months. No contact. Nothing. (I'm quite sure she went and did her thing during that time. That's fine with me. It's none of my business.)

        We eventually got back in touch during a chance meeting. She couldn't believe I just cut her off like that. She let me know she had a though time finding a replacement to measure up. I made it clear I'm done talking once you stop acting like an adult, and have no problems walking away. After we talked, she admitted she screwed up, and apologized. I gave her a pass since she apologized. I also warned her not to do it again. Otherwise, I'm out for good. Needless to say, she played her hand again. So, I texted her that it's best we go our separate ways. She tried pulling the whole "I've had a rough week" BS, followed by some guilt tripping, and blaming. She also stayed blowing up my phone trying to get back into my good graces, making it very clear she wasn't giving up on us. (I've then since had to block her number, etc.)

        I have zero patience for nonsense these days. Relationship or not, I'm not tolerating the crap. Period. Getting laid is one thing, but I'm damn sure not going to sacrifice my self respect to get some. Let some other clown deal with the nonsense. I don't hold grudges, so I still wish her the best. If you feel you handled it the best way you could, that's what's up. However, I've learned with some of these females, if you give them an inch, they're going to take that mile and run with it. lol But, yes. Cutting them off cold can drive them crazy. Is it always worth it? Not to me. To each his own, though.

        [–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Its only going to get worse as her vagina dries up like the sahara desert she wouldnt yell at alpha fux this way will she.

        [–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Break up with her.

        A cunt who screams at her man deserves nothing but the pathetic cuck who puts up with this behavior.