Red Pill TheoryDon't give a woman the opportunity to weaponize sex. Demand acts of apology that show appreciation and effort as payment for her shit behaviour. Prostitution, blame on environment and spoken apologies are effortless and invalid. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1ozaku7

In reference to a post about a user's GF treating him like shit after he has carried all her stuff around and drove her around because she had a broken foot. User didn't take that, GF panics and blames her foot for her behaviour, starts crying and asks for a kiss.

Don't fall for sexual favours during or after a fight. Don't fall for her crying, don't fall for her threats of leaving you, or any emotion or words that should result in fixing the issue she caused. It only reinforces the believe of women that they can fix any problem through sexual favors or emotional outbursts. Consequently, this will result in a relationship that is based on conflicts and sex when the woman realizes she has gone too far, instead of adjusting her behaviour to prevent from these conflicts happening again.

It's not difficult for a woman at all to have sex with you. According to another post from a user that has read through her Facebook conversations, she will even have sex with you while being disgusted by you, and tell all her friends about it. Spreading her legs for 5 minutes is effortless for a woman that is your plate, girlfriend, or wife, and should only follow after an apology through ACTION, read, NOT through WORDS or EMOTION which don't require any effort whatsoever. She is supposed to repay you the damage she has done through her fault, and repayment by sex is mere prostitution and the easy way out, much like words of apology. The action through which she apologizes is up to you, but she will be the one doing all the effort, and you should not put any effort at all. Let her cook your favourite meal for you, clean your stuff or anything else that you are supposed to do. It's up to you, really. She gave you a hard time, and to apologize, she sould do anything to make your day easier through non-sexual acts, but yet also show appreciation. Her apology should not refer to something irrelevant. "I was a bitch at you because my foot is broken" is NOT a valid reasoning for her behaviour. "I'm sorry for being such a bitch. You drove me around all day and carried my stuff, and even though my broken foot makes it difficult for me, I should have been more patient." is a valid reasoning. It actually puts the blame on her action, not her environment.

A puppy is sent to the corner after it has done something bad as punishment. If you pet it after it used its puppy eyes on you, you are teaching the puppy that it gets out of trouble for using its puppy eyes, not to adjust its behaviour so it doesn't cause the trouble it did. A puppy rewarded with good behaviour will repeat good behaviour, and a puppy punished for bad behaviour will stop behaving badly.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Pointing you per the request of one of our ECs.

[–]dRePe_Thill 153 points154 points  (20 children)

"Don't fall for sexual favours during or after a fight." = massive shit test, fail this and not only did your SMV drop but she will lose respect for you which leads to resentment down the road..why?because she didn't realize you were a bitch. I would even extend this to compromising/negotiating with her "if you do this X then you get sex/bj". "Let her cook your favourite meal for you, clean your stuff or anything else that you are supposed to do." She should be doing this anyway, at a higher level you could almost take this way(punishment). Then she'll KNOW that shes fucked up, it reinforces the concepts that you don't need her and she is replaceable.

[–]pwrxas 35 points36 points  (7 children)

My wife used it as a weapon from day one - some odd allergic reaction to wedding cake.

I was dumb and it worked for a few years. I was treated like hell for a month, then she'd see the bitching and selfishness was taking its toll on me and 'undo' all that damage with sex as a reward. The duration I had to endure this nonsense grew longer and longer before my 'reward'. She also got more dramatic about it, acting as if sex was this massive burden that took a huge physical toll on her.

Things got so out of hand that I began resenting her being able to reset the clock on the amount of time since we had sex. I would go months being manipulated and deprived and it bothered me that she could stroll into the room and zero out the weeks and months that had elapsed with next to no effort. So, next time she tried to clear the clock, I said no thanks.

I can also share how it worked out in the long haul.. I was much more empowered to do things that make common sense versus trying to think of all possible ways she could interpret it, and get her feelings hurt. Much more "I'm going to go do <whatever>" without worrying about doghouses and such. She did realize that she lost the ability to control and manipulate me. So, how's the sex? Nonexistant. The counter will hit 10 years this coming April. Really sucks but I'm at the stage where I'm making some sacrifices for the sake of our kids.

As you can see, I'm not the best person to give advice, but I do encourage anyone out there about to tie the knot to listen to your gut. You already know if she uses emotions and feelings as a weapon. You also know if she's going to view sex as something more for you than for both of you. Even if she doesn't use sex to manipulate you - if it's positioned as more for you, she will use it against you. Deep down I knew..

[–]whattupwhattup 23 points24 points  (1 child)

What the fuck man! 10 fucking years!!! Are you fucking serious! I understand making sacrifices for your kids, but how the hell do you stand being in a relationship with no sex. It's not even a relationship at this point. If you don't want to divorce her now i get that, but once your kids are in college give her an ultimatum. Fuck me, or fuck you.

[–]prinzklaus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Bingo. I'm not sure how old the kids are. But seriously, that's not a relationship anymore. That's just.....house mates. Talk that shit out with the wife. I won't add anymore advice because I don't know anymore details. Good luck bro.

[–]dRePe_Thill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Have you tried implementing hard or soft dread, assuming you want sex? There was an interesting post earlier that mentioned the wife had deprived him of sex for so long that eventually when she came around he literally wasn't simulated by her anymore. Wonder if you would have that issue or not because 10 years.. 10 years is a long time.

[–]pwrxas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A bit late in responding, but agree with the comments!

Not at all absorbed with myself, but I'm a really good looking guy, fit, and I do get women (especially at work) that make moves. That doesn't faze her a bit as I'm confident she's asexual - dread isn't an option.

As you guys point out we're essentially roommates. I know she loves the paycheck I bring home and, to a lesser degree, me. But... given she's the way she is I'm guessing leaving isn't attractive to her because she would have to face the sex dilemma with a new guy and knows she lucked out in finding me, one that places the kids over all else.

Kids are off to college in less than two years. Think I proved I can wait a little bit longer.

Advice: Don't do what I did.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)


I just wonder what a few months of lifting (with the right diet) combined with just a little bit of pre-selection, i.e., Dread Game, would do to your wife's attitude. For instance, let's just say that you were to pack on, over the next 6-8 months, 20 lbs of muscle, and get close to 10% body fat. (IDK where you're at now, but let's just say "a large improvement from that") Let's further postulate that there are women in your family's social circle that have a higher SMV than Mrs. max peenor. What do suppose would be her reaction to one of them flirting with you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's fucking another dude

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Even fighting with a woman is a massive failure.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 8 points9 points  (7 children)

This is not punishment. It will only take some load off of her, which is more of a reward. She would even have to do less effort than just spreading her legs, which might result in the worst case that she behaves like a bitch so she has to do less. It contradicts with your first point, as this every act will cause her to lose respect for you and see you as her little bitch.

The act of apology should typically be something that she does rarely at most and shows appreciation for you. So cooking your favorite meal won't work if she already does it every second day. The ideas are up to you, but always be the one that relaxes and her to be the one who does the effort she normally doesn't do.

[–]dRePe_Thill 44 points45 points  (6 children)


What is this?

[–]top_zozzle 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It's basically like at work if people have a boss. The more their boss likes them and trusts them, the more they will trust them with important things (important to that boss at least).

If they stop entrusting them with things (even if those things are not really pleasant), people start thinking their worth has decreased.

Same with a woman.

[–]1freudianSLAP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How do you start off this dynamic when you just met a new girl?

[–]1ozaku7[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can rephrase punishment as something to make it up to you. So if she does something that takes effort and pleases you and settles the score, that's fine. If she goes the extra mile to make your favourite meal really really good, that's a +1 in my book. I'm not intending to make a woman my personal slave, but a simple "Sorry" just won't cut it is she has taken it too far.

[–]serious_sarcasm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

her reward is great sex, then doing my cooking, laundry and cleaning.

How is this not weaponizing sex?

[–]2dogsandpizza 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh that last bit is gold standard dread. Very well done.

[–]TooMuchToDoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She should be doing this anyway, at a higher level you could almost take this way(punishment). Then she'll KNOW that shes fucked up, it reinforces the concepts that you don't need her and she is replaceable.

This is a great way to modify behavior because it makes people feel terrible about themselves. I've found that by doing something that you've already asked somebody to do (or something that they know that they should be doing already), they feel worthless and are eager to make up for their shortcomings.

If she's not already doing it, then OP's advice could definitely be used to get there.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 53 points54 points  (13 children)

Spot-on post.

As I've mentioned previously in my Bitch Management Guide, non-sexual favours are the only currency that a woman can use to buy your investment.

Sex is not a valid repayment for two reasons:

  • It takes no effort at all for her to have sex.
  • She also gains something out of having sex - sex is a mutual benefit.

If you ever expect your bitch to respect you, you must train her to invest her time in order to earn yours - because your time is exponentially more valuable.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Thank you. I appreciate feedback from an expert like you.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 18 points19 points  (0 children)

And I appreciate constructive participation from guys like you. Please keep coming back.

[–]TheRedCherd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Logically using your head (and not your penis head), it is an easy rule to follow.

Put it this way... You're getting ripped off.

Sexual acts for investment/time is a win-win for the female.

logically thinking,

---she gets:---

+1 investment

+1 sex

---you get:---

-1 investment

+1 sex

That's a bad deal. But... if the investments are equal on both sides of the equation, they cancel out. and all you are left with is sex.

It's fuckin algebra.

[–]ylp810 points points [recovered]

What about blowjobs though? I make it clear that I place zero value on sex (since its mutual) but I accept blowjobs as a sign of respect.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 12 points13 points  (5 children)

No. A sexual act is a sexual act.

Make your woman do something that forces her to exert effort - she must observe and learn your specific preferences. She must learn to please you.

[–]logicalthinker1 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Amen. This is also why I can't stand when girls say "oh im going to wear this lingerie for his birthday present." bitch, that's not a present. That's just called fucking your boyfriend like you should be doing all the other days of the relationship.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

January: Oh, sexy! I will use this to score points with my BF on his birthday. Easy way out again! Yay! May: Happy Birthday sweetie! I hope he doesn't find out I didn't wear this for 5 months

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's nothing more than a stripshow and it's sad that men fall for that. Much like paying 100 bucks for a lapdance in Europe from a stripper for 3 minutes, and all she takes off is her bra and panties. In some cases you can't even touch her, even forget all about fucking her. While the beautiful escort around the corner would do all the dirty stuff for the same amount but for a full hour.

[–]epubliusrex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the woman doesn't get wet at the idea of sucking you off, then it's time to get rid of her.

[–]dRePe_Thill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you take a look at my theory, higher up in the posts, OP and I had different opinions of framing in the relationship as well as rewards/punishments. Appears on my screen as 2nd from the top.

[–]logicalthinker1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Imagine if your gift to your girlfriend was that you get to fuck her...

[–]GreatJanitor 78 points79 points  (14 children)

Personal story: When my now ex wife and I got together she once threatened to withhold sex for something I said. I said: "You are the 21st women I have had sex with and honestly, you aren't even in the top 50% of that list. Do not think for a moment you are special enough to withhold sex from me because if I want it bad enough I can go out tonight and find someone to fuck.". She never again made that threat. But it was a surprise to her because she had ex boyfriends who only had one or two sexual partners so she could use sex as a weapon. She wasn't prepared for someone to say that her sexual organs were not special.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Yup, it surprises them. This behaviour is the fault of her ex boyfriends. How is she dealing with sex since?

[–]GreatJanitor 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Well, she's my ex-wife, so her current attitudes towards sex is unknown and honestly, I don't care. During our relationship we actually had a mostly healthy sex life until she had back surgery and we went a few months without sex. She felt so bad about it that she got a prostitute for my birthday several years ago.

I think what happened early on is that after I told her that I had sex with twenty women before her and most of them did things that she wasn't willing to do (at that point) it opened her up to new ideas and suggestions thinking that if she didn't she lose me to someone.

In short, she tried to use sex as a weapon, I turned it around and got her to consider other sexual ideas. It wasn't 100% effective. She made the comment a few times "In glad you did the freaky stuff so it's out of your system.'. However, that is not how it works. Once you've done it you tend to want to do it again if you liked it.

[–]super_hater points points [recovered]

Why did you guys get divorced though?

[–]GreatJanitor 17 points18 points  (4 children)

There were a variety of reasons, it wasn't all on me nor was it all her. One thing she did was she put her opinions of her friends and family over me. For example there was a car wreck right after we paid off the car (not our fault). The car was totaled. I didn't want a car payment. The money we got from the insurance company was enough to buy a good car in cash. I was too injured from that wreck (10 broken bones) to go car shopping so she and her friend went. Her friend didn't like me nor valued my opinions so she basically told the ex to do what she wanted and fuck what I wanted. So she came home with a financed car. That car got repoed, all the money paid into it was just wasted money, she said that I was right, but when the next money problem came up, she went to her friend and not me. My reactions to this was anger and that got her friends to say nasty things about me. And that is just the start of what happened.

[–]vagbutters 11 points12 points  (3 children)

If there's one lesson I've learned from the antics of my mom and my sister, it's that you don't leave major financial purchases in the hands of women. They will find some way to fuck it up or make a horrible decision that you, will end up paying for down the line.

Sounds like your biggest mistake was validating her hamsteresque drama by engaging in it. TRP isn't wrong when it advocates dread- silence and treating your woman like shit when she is out of line keep her within her boundaries.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They know that the man will pay for it down the line, which is why they are so irresponsible with money. Don't be the guy to pay for her mistakes by not listening to you.

[–]midlifedick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dread is raising awareness that your commitment is not free and instilling the fear of losing any commitment and relationship.

It is not treating someone like shit, it's treating them more and more like a business transaction, less like a valued intimate relationship.

[–]epubliusrex 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This is precisely the correct attitude to have. Women, in general, are not special. 2 or 3 out of a hundred may be. Those are the ones who make the best mistresses.

Very few women have the imagination it takes to make sex variable and interesting. That has always come from me. They love it--it's never the same twice, but they are, for the most part, incapable of producing that themselves.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You know that you can still be dominant by telling her to please you? Show effort, initiative, and I will reward you with a good pounding if you do things right. You can still lay on bottom, do nothing and be dominant, because you are dictating what will happen at all times. She has to make a sweat too. I like my dick to be grinded, my back scratched, sucking my neck and moaning. I want her to go all out like a horny slut. She learned that it makes me fuck her even harder, and therefore, if she wants a hard pounding, all she has to do is do to me what I like. Fuck me like there's no tomorrow and I would pound you into next week.

[–]epubliusrex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend, I lost track going over 80 a long ago--married twice. Filed both times. I've only had 5-8 one night stands. I don't care for them. Better to have several birds in the hand at once than one in the bush. Ergo, I learned long ago what it takes to own a woman. That is what you want. You want them such that, if you choose, you can call them up years later and still have them come to you. It's an art form that goes waaay beyond simply picking them up.

[–]LethalShade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why would you marry someone that's part of the 50% most unattractive girls you've fucked?

[–]GreatJanitor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, it was something to say to knock her down and deflate her ego. Secondly, the attractive ones were like inflatable dolls. Good for a quick fuck empty headed out of bed and didn't move around much. She actually had a head on her shoulders, at least at first. Add to that her willingness to learn in bed, that kept her around a bit longer.

[–]newName543456 59 points60 points  (10 children)

repayment by sex is mere prostitution and the easy way out, much like words of apology

When you think about it, most LTRs are effectively prostitution contracts - trading sexual access for resources. And if we consider dead bedroom situations going on for years, might be that actual high-end escorts are cheaper.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 48 points49 points  (9 children)

"Might be"? You're insane if you think that...

House, car, food, clothes, "expenses" with emotional, sexual and likely physical abuse on top? You could get I high end hooker every 3 days and still be in better shape.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 39 points40 points  (4 children)

I can't recall the man's name, but there was a billionaire whose divorce settlement was over $500 million.

Enough to have hired a $1,000 per hour escort, 24/7 for 60 years straight.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

True, but probably not the same escorts over those 60 years. An escort will definitely try to fuck herself deeper inside your wallet and aim for millions, not mere thousands.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Of course lol. Who'd want any one hooker for more than a year or two? And as you get older, your sex drive would decline until you don't need them as often.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe... Genghis Khan was apparently fucking close to 300 women a year in his later years.. maybe sex drive drops of from a lack of use.

[–]10J18R1A 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Doesn't mean you let them. Prostitution has an elastic and near infinite supply... You wouldn't pay more for the same issue of penthouse every month.

[–]LuvBeer 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I see guys who are more handsome than me walking around with masculine, unpleasant mid-30s white women and I just wonder to myself where the value prop is. What are they getting out of it? I'm 40 but tend to attract early-mid 20s non-white girls, not sure why, and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

[–]ylp810 points points [recovered]

That's why I would have never married a white woman. Asian women age the best. By 30 they look 20. By 40 they look 20. By 60 they can look 40-45. etc.

[–]askmrcia 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't think think race has that much to do with it. Asian women tend to take care of themselves far more than other races, especially any race (white, black, Latino) in America. They tend to eat healthier and not go to bar or happy hour 5 days a week.

If more women would do this instead of eating out at Chipotle every day then they would age just fine.

[–]Northwesthip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The hooker doesn't get half of everything you own when she leaves.

[–]LymanRP 61 points62 points  (58 children)

If she weaponizes sex, that's a huge red flag.

  • Plate: Hard next. This behavior is a sign of more BS to come.
  • LTR: Deal with it hard and fast, and reconsider if she is the right LTR. Be wary of other red flags.
  • Married: Shut this shit down ASAP.

Fun fact, women's tears have been scientifically proven to temporarily reduce testosterone in men (think I read this in MMSLP but will try to find source). Hence, her crying fits are biologically designed to disarm you. Don't fall for it.

[–]dRePe_Thill 19 points20 points  (21 children)


What is this?

[–]swifter_than_shadow 6 points7 points  (20 children)

How do you deal with your sister from a red pill perspective? My sister is also a fuckup and I want to know how to treat her, but I can't really find anything on TRP that deals with a relationship where both sex AND nexting are off the table. Not to mention the added fact that I've of course been a beta orbiter of hers for years.

The conventional wisdom with a girl like this is to gtfo, and I would totally agree except that she's my sister. Even though she does fucked up shit I still want to be there for her, but that feels so beta.

Edit: got a lot of good advice so far, think I'll create a new submission for discussing sisters specifically.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 6 points7 points  (6 children)

My sister is the wife from hell and her husband the angry beta who has failed every shit test ever.

She's currently preparing in her mind the story of why she's going to divorce him, making up these stories and ideas and causing so much shit with her kids in the process. I talk to her but I have to ride this line of not calling out too much shit, and not listening to too much bullshit and validating her because she's my sister, helped me a lot in life and genuinely needs support from her family about some issues in her life but I really can't listen to how she's fucking up her family's life. I disagreed with her the other day about something and she tried to shame me to the family saying I don't give her support and I just held frame and held ground despite the fact 'she cried to my mom for an hour'.

[–]swifter_than_shadow 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Does holding frame ever work on her? I'm assuming you're like most men and were blue pill for a while; and I'm assuming you're like most brothers and at some point got friendzoned, for lack of a better word, by your sister. TRP wisdom says it's nearly impossible to get out of the beta orbiter zone and become a guy she respects again; better to move on to a new chick. Do you/did you try to gain her respect again (not with beta bux of course but with alpha techniques and high SMV), or just distance yourself?

[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been MGTOW my whole life pretty much. So I've had good frame but zero game due to my growing up conditions which required strong frame.

She knows she can't pull shit with me but pulls it with everyone else in her life. She can talk to me about shit but she knows I will call her out on it, so she herself knows she has to filter what she says to me if she wants sympathy, which I never usually give her. It's just a constant attack/manipulation on my frame like with any woman.

The thing is with a normal woman you might care if she respects you or not. With your sister you don't give a fuck what she thinks which ultimately creates respect, but she's also seen me at my weakest/saddest.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

She's currently preparing in her mind the story of why she's going to divorce him, making up these stories and ideas and causing so much shit with her kids in the process.

Taking the easy way out. She wants to frame it that she's the victim and anyone else is to blame.

I disagreed with her the other day about something and she tried to shame me to the family saying I don't give her support and I just held frame and held ground despite the fact 'she cried to my mom for an hour'.

Tries to fuck you over. Cries to mommy when she doesn't succeed as plan B, to try to succeed once again. Admitting that she is wrong takes too much effort and a big blow to her ego she can't afford, as this would emotionally kill her. At this point I would call mom out for dealing with her crap. It's childish and your mom should not reinforce this behaviour.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've tried telling my mom but AWALT. I tell my mom something about how she's Fucking up with kid A or B (both mid 40s), (I'm D mid 20s) and she'll agree with me maybe 6 years after I first told her. She blames my dad (living away for a while) for not letting her make decisions in life but then since she's recognised me as more aware of women's games, she has no trouble telling me how she's manipulated my dad throughout their life together. AWALT AWALT AWALT.

I'm the only person my sister is afraid of telling me things because she knows I've always been objective as fuck and have no agenda or bias. She's never cheated on her BB but she's tried to push him away for the last 6 years so he'd fuck off and she can say "look what an asshole he is", but he's never taken the bait (for more beta reasons than alpha). All she wanted him to do was have some self worth and stand up for himself as far as I can tell.

She lives in a perpetual victim mindset and is completely ready to move on from him now. Since she had also recognised my new awareness about how women operate, she has had no trouble telling me she recently put adverts on Craigslist and downloaded tinder and is basically "looking for someone to talk to". And has talked to a lot of guys, leading them on to no avail. Seeing what's out there for her.

I'll say it again. AWALT, shameless, victim and most importantly the bond to protect other women is thicker than blood. She basically said to me the other day that it's ok if my bros wife cheats on him (simply because my bro is king beta).

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've tried telling my mom but AWALT. I tell my mom something about how she's Fucking up with kid A or B (both mid 40s), (I'm D mid 20s) and she'll agree with me maybe 6 years after I first told her. She blames my dad (living away for a while) for not letting her make decisions in life but then since she's recognised me as more aware of women's games, she has no trouble telling me how she's manipulated my dad throughout their life together. AWALT AWALT AWALT.

Haha, exactly. My grandma was the queen of manipulation, even at the age of 83. The crap she pulls on us doesn't remotely come close to what other women ever tried on me, let alone in this quantity. We show no remorse and call her out on any shit she does. She manipulates with acting deadly sick to make us do stuff, enrages like a 20 year old bipolar woman when we do it wrong, and cries her hearth out when we are mean to her. We call her out, she stops within seconds and mumbles what pieces of shit we are. It's the living devil and my TRP practice and learning puppet.

I'm the only person my sister is afraid of telling me things because she knows I've always been objective as fuck and have no agenda or bias. She's never cheated on her BB but she's tried to push him away for the last 6 years so he'd fuck off and she can say "look what an asshole he is", but he's never taken the bait (for more beta reasons than alpha). All she wanted him to do was have some self worth and stand up for himself as far as I can tell.

Are you sure she never cheated?

She lives in a perpetual victim mindset and is completely ready to move on from him now. Since she had also recognised my new awareness about how women operate, she has had no trouble telling me she recently put adverts on Craigslist and downloaded tinder and is basically "looking for someone to talk to". And has talked to a lot of guys, leading them on to no avail. Seeing what's out there for her.

I only looked for friendship, just someone to talk to, and before I knew it, our genitals were smashing. It's his fault for giving me the tingles and toying with my feelings to get what he wants! I'm innocent!

I'll say it again. AWALT, shameless, victim and most importantly the bond to protect other women is thicker than blood. She basically said to me the other day that it's ok if my bros wife cheats on him (simply because my bro is king beta).

AWALT because men allow them to be like this. She knows that if she would fuck someone else, her man would just forgive her anyway.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think she'd cheat or has cheated, but she's ready to branch swing now. She's got her kids from him, that's all she ever really wanted. She's had her relationships. He has no money and is the definition of AFC, but he wouldn't put up with cheating.

She has some heavy values put in to her by our dad and I very much doubt she's cheated. She's pushed her husband want to talk to other women (took a long fucking time) and now she feels justified in doing it herself and blaming him for doing it first.

[–]epubliusrex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's called no contact. Just avoid her. I avoid my sisters. Hard core feminists who hate men--especially me--and openly use beta males as a way of life. I personally saw the attraction men had for them, but then again, I'm not them.

[–]dRePe_Thill 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Unfortunately, I don't have great advice in this area, but I maintain a strong frame and don't let her little tricks try to manipulate me. At the moment, we are currently not speaking and she knows that in emergencies that she can reach out. She has lost my trust over the years and it's best for me to keep the distance as she can be emotionally draining. TRP has taught me to be aware of the white knights and feminists who will perceive my distance as abandonment but at some point I need to do what's best for myself.

[–]swifter_than_shadow 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yeah that's kind of my tactics right now. For a while there I tried to go Liam Neeson and drag her out of her self-imposed shitty situations (would that be beta or alpha? hm) but I can't make her decisions for her. I just hope she's alive long enough to try and get better. In the meantime, work on myself: if she sees me as a rock with strong SMV maybe she'll gravitate towards me (in a non sexual way of course) and I can look after her again.

We were really close and I was keeping her on a good path until I lost frame in a serious way and now she's on the CC and worse.

I guess I have oneitis with her, but...man she's my sister. Ugh. Anyway. Work on myself enough and maybe she'll come back.

[–]Windryder 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Call her on her shit. Don't give her attention when she's acting poorly. Reward good behavior with good treatment. Withdraw all attention when she makes a ploy and "needs help". Say what you think of her behavior/actions then go no contact for a while. She's manipulating you through your drive to look after her.

[–]swifter_than_shadow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Absolutely good advice. Put that into practice recently. No contact outside of pure logistics like money. I'm secretly terrified that she'll just run off to one of her boy toys and start doing messed up stuff again, but I'm holding ground.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She will always run to the easiest boy she gets anything she wants from. Like dogs, once you punish them, they tend to gravitate towards people that still like them. Which is why the entire family needs to play along with the "alpha" of the family to raise a dog properly. That's also why friendzoned guys always end up with chicks that are dumped to "heal them" and go back to the same alpha's again once they are fine.

[–]Truth_Himself 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Nexting is never off the table

[–]swifter_than_shadow 2 points3 points  (5 children)

lol sure I'll just go to the bar and pick up a new sister

[–]Truth_Himself 5 points6 points  (4 children)

My point is: people are only in your life if you let them be. If anyone becomes too much of a burden they can be removed

[–]swifter_than_shadow 1 point2 points  (3 children)

True. But a sister is not like another woman. I want to help her and be close to her even if she's a piece of shit.

You're right though, it's never off the table. Just takes a lot more to ditch a sister than a plate.

[–]Windryder 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It really doesn't, you might be surprised.

You cut off contact with the sister. The mom or whomever calls you to give you shit. You state your reason(s) (fewer more salient points are better than many weak ones). They either accept it or you stop talking to them as well.

Keep people in your life on terms that work for you.

[–]swifter_than_shadow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about if your sister is prone to making dangerous (like, literally physically dangerous) decisions unless held in check (if and when that's possible).

I mean, I legitimately worry about her safety. If the family cuts her out (and many of them have) we might wake up one day and she's dead or in prison.

Obviously not a typical situation, but I could use all the advice I can get.

[–]Windryder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If she's truly reckless to the point of being suicidal, that's mental institution territory.

What I think is more likely is that she's highly manipulative and also likes the rush of danger.

I think you'd be surprised at how much she'd make safe choices if she knew she didn't have an audience. You don't watch her 24/7 and if she was truly as much of a danger to herself as you allow yourself to fear, she'd already be dead.

Most people like that "turn a corner" in their lives when others stop paying attention to them for their behavior. They "wake up" to the "reality" of the harm they're causing and they change. That usually only happens after the last of the people who they cared about manipulating have abandoned them.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater 12 points13 points  (2 children)

If she weaponizes sex, that's a huge red flag.

It's not necessarily a red flag.

People choose the paths that gain them the greatest reward for the least amount of effort - that's a law of nature. ANY girl is capable of this, simply because evolution has prompted all of us to take the path of least resistance (i.e. lowest energy expenditure) to survive long enough to procreate.

You should never expect any woman to come perfect right out of the box. They all need to be trained and disciplined by you.

[–]CollaterLDamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is the truth. all humans are animals. like any other animal, you need to train it to do flips.Betas are born of bad training/learning.same, manipulative women are born from training. if they were called on that shit early, theyd be less likley to use it.

[–]Stythe 6 points7 points  (15 children)

It's funny, my buddy has a two year old daughter and I see her cry over everything. She cries if she gets shocked or hurt obviously, but I see her do it when she wants attention, and him and his fiance both give it to her. "Oooh, whats wrong? What do you want? Do you want this toy?" etc. I asked him if she does that to get attention but my question was in one ear and out the other. He didn't even think about it. Even at that age the programming is there and she is learning to utilize it.

[–]CollaterLDamage 6 points7 points  (5 children)

its not a women thing, its a baby thing. parents need to start calling it when they are around 3-4. you want to start breaking it before they go to school as they will use it on there teachers.people are more likely to call a little boy on that crybaby bullshit than a girl. thats the only reason it lasts so long

[–]Stythe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yourr right. It's human manipulation. Everyone learns via the most effective tactics for them. A good parent will stomp out bad habits asap. Of course, there cones a point where the child has to stop on their own. If the parents taught them effective ways to cope it should be normal. If they didn't.... well look around.

[–]TheRedCherd points points [recovered]

facts. Even at a young age, babies know what they want, and exactly how to manipulate you into getting it.
And if they don't know how, they will soon find out through trial and error.

It isn't always a bad thing: basic example: Baby feels hungry, baby cries, baby gets attention/food.

Little boys defiantly do it, but with females, it's a weapon they can use for life. Example: females crying when getting pulled over and not getting a ticket.

they learn different manipulative tactics in society all throughout their lives.

....Eventually bitches learn that they can get free lunch from BP.

i'll never forget, when I was a little kid... my older female cousin bragging to my mother how she would date guys sometimes just to get a free meal when she was hungry...

TBH, I was blessed to have heard that conversation.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I bet she never took cash with her, for the classic "Oops, I don't have any cash/creditcard with me. Do you mind?"

[–]TheRedCherd points points [recovered]

Lmao... im gonna try to pull that one myself next time

[–]epubliusrex 3 points4 points  (4 children)

It's called "feminine wiles" my dad taught me about them. My daughter did this. It was cute and it would have been wrong to punish her for it. Rather instead of caving into her, I would pick her up and gently explain why she couldn't have what she wanted.

[–]Windryder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've got 2 daughters. I tell them "no". I usually include a reason. If they continue to whine, I get angry.

They are both well respected by their friends and teachers. The people around them appreciate that they give real reasons for what they want instead of defaulting to manipulation.

Edit: I should add that I don't move the goalposts. I'm permissive about most things because they don't matter. My no's on the other hand they've learned are a hard no, unless they can give a good logical reason.

[–]epubliusrex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Roissey, whom I met in Georgetown after conversing with him for a few years, saw a picture of my daughter and her friends-- all raised by conservative males and shit his pants. She's now at Johns Hopkins medical school on a full scholarship. One Bf. She met him her sophomore year of college. She wouldn't have dated him if he'd been a leftist punk. He had to know how to shoot. Which they do together these days.

[–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That seems the right way to go, though I'd add that punishment is necessary if it doesn't stop after an explanation. Children learn via their most effective tactics. A child who grows up crying or throwing temper tantrums and getting what they want is learning that tantrums work. That needs to be stomped out.

[–]epubliusrex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of mine were like that. My 12 year old son is a sweetheart. Women adore him. I have plates that will baby sit him for me when I go out. I've taught him never to talk about the other women. He's learning and gets it.

[–]melb22 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I've been observing my 6-year-old daughter practise this kind of thing. I have to give her credit - she's good at it! I've learnt to recognise when she's genuinely upset about something and when she's putting it on. When she's putting it on, I just laugh at her and tease her about it and she finally gives a "yeah, I've been caught out" laugh. From dramatic tears and upset to a laugh in half a second. It's cute but I do sometimes wonder about the games she will play in her future relationships.

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Then dont you think you should try and teach her an effective way to get what she wants, instead of crying, where better ways are availible? If you recognize it, you know when to teach. That's what worries me about my friends daughter. Knowing her parents she isn't going to get much guidance once she gets older.

[–]melb22 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Exactly. When she starts laughing, I explain that she didn't need to throw herself down crying, that she could have just smiled nicely and asked openly for what she wanted. I'll keep at it, but it feels like I'm trying to override an instinct she has.

[–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically she is. It's also far easier to cry and demand when you aren't happy then to control your emotions and calmly request your needs. But that's why it's a learned habit, right? Anyway you're aware of it so you seem to be doing the right thing. Mind you I don't have kids so I'm probably not the best judge of raising them.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 12 points13 points  (13 children)

Do you really believe that it's designed by nature, or by society? Aren't betas taught to never make a girl cry? The typical beta will feel bad for making a woman cry because he is taught it's a bad thing and should do alot to make her satisfied again. Beta turns into a little bitch that feels bad, which is why testosterone is lowered.

Tears are not magical. It's H2O with some NaCl in it. If salty water aka teardrops would have this effect, I would lose my balls the moment I would jump into the ocean.

[–]Redpillwhiterabbit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Likely both honestly.. beta behaviors directly reflect the weakness women needed to occasionally exploit (but on rampant steroids) in order to gain protection and resources from the only one who could give these things. The alpha.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Is there anything else in tears? Pheromones or something? Are tear ducts considered part of the endocrine system?

It's been a very long time since I took a biology course.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)


I correct myself. So it seems that the tears alone kill a man's libido too. I would say this is only a system to eliminate reproduction with mentally weak or instable women, but I'm no scientist. But I still believe that besides biological reasons, it has societal reasons too.

[–]epubliusrex 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Then I must be very dark. A woman's tears usually give me a hardon. Can't say why. I just think about sticking my dick in her mouth.

[–]improvising1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're not alone, it's been this way for me as well as long as I can remember. A girl I've been intimate with crying just makes me want to make out with her then fuck her brains out. Always thought it was weird.

[–]landon042 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i think it comes after you've gotten over it and dgaf about their tears anymore.

I've felt the same way when they cry

[–]Windryder 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was about to say something along these lines. Wife was in a car crash the other day. Her first one. After making sure she'd done the requisite phone calls and follow up, she came to see me for a hug. I gave her a hug, scooped her up, put her on the bed and pulled down her pants and gave her the pronebone. She asked me to stroke her hair as I was boning her and afterwards said she felt much better.

[–]epubliusrex 1 point2 points  (0 children)


There ya go. I like to train them for face fucking. It's my favorite.

[–]ArchonD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pheromones are a tricky subject. There's nothing saying they work or don't work, and results vary widely based on biochemistry. The last I read, there could be pheromones in tears that trigger lowered testosterone production, but it was in both sexes.

[–]uberbeastazn points points [recovered]

how come after reading trp, i feel nothing when i see women tears?

[–]1ozaku7[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Because it's a mere form of self-defense she learned to use during her toddlerhood and mommy and daddy always obliged. It's hardwired ever since they learned to walk.

[–]bur_ner_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It may be partially hardwired but boys can also learn those tricks by copying women. On the plus side, guys like that can easily see through girls tricks, alter their moods and get them aroused. It's almost like being able to see hidden parts of the light spectrum, when they walk into a room and can immediately identify the subtle signs of which girls are going to be receptive to have sex within the hour.

The negative is that they may still must have some subconscious feminine mannerisms, straight guys may think they are be a bit gay. Guys if you have a son and you want him to be manly, make sure he has trusted male influencers if you are unable to be there.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chemically induced tears are different in composition to emotion induced tears. I'd like to see a study of female tears and see if their crocodile tears are more similar to cutting an onion than real tears.

[–]meh613 0 points1 point  (0 children)

find source

http://faculty.washington.edu/beecher/Gelstein_et_al_2011.pdf looks to be the original paper.

[–]landon042 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's actually hilarious once you build a wall basically.

any woman could cry in front of me, and I would not be fazed, a rock.

I think it was proven and it's really not talked about a lot but it's one of those things you have to work on giving less and less shits about,

it was useful thousands of years ago but now in the age of wymnz manipulating in different ways and crying you must not care at all

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 20 points21 points  (1 child)

repayment by sex is mere prostitution and the easy way out

Sex has to be framed as something that you both do together and both enjoy together. It's necessary for any sort of relationship, but not sufficient.

If she can offer sex as any sort of payment or apology or something of value to you rather than to her, you are framed as the buyer and her the seller. This obviously puts her in a stronger position each time she does it.

She gives you shit, then you both have sex. She has one, because you've both taken her crap AND given her sex.

Sex has to be removed from the relationship equation. Sex is necessary but not sufficient.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly as you say. Sex AND respect must be there. There is no valid reason to have sex with a woman that doesn't treat you with the respect that you deserve.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

All women play games with sex

Few men put foot down and take away this power of hers

[–]1ozaku7[S] 19 points20 points  (3 children)

The first time I have done this, the girl had no idea what to do, besides offering sex to make things right again. Sweet eyes of panic.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I bet the sex was good too. She genuinely felt submission and desire and I dont know about you but for me thats what makes it better than jerking off in a sock

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same happened here. Listened like the good girl she is and has taken more effort to please me as I told her to. The better she pleases me as I want her to please me, the better she gets pounded, and she knows that well.

[–]epubliusrex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the attitude you must always take. Irregardless of the situation. They only have power when you give it to them. You will never form a "master/slave" relationship if you allow them even equality.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 35 points36 points  (13 children)

Don't fall for sexual favours during or after a fight

Holy hell, how many times have I had to say this over the last two days? I just keep having to cut and paste this (slight edit).

"DO NOT FIGHT WITH WOMEN. There is no judge. There is no jury There is no deciding panel. She knows this which is why she runs to her friends; they become her stacked jury.

Seriously, don't fucking fight. State your position. Allow her to state hers. Alter yours if it makes sense. Otherwise you are the rock. If she throws a tantrum, walk away. If she cranks it up, show her the door. Never put as much as a pinky on her. Do no raise your voice. Don't bring up shit from the past. Feel free to whip out your camera and take video of the tantrum; they make for good youtube uploads and I get a kick out of them."

... and then lets move on to the next point...

You cannot train women (well, if there is no ball gag or handcuffs involved). They aren't dogs. Women don't respond to logic or lessons. They respond to power. This is some basic TRP shit here. You cannot control them.

Ever heard those words from a woman? "You don't control me?" You know what that really means? "I think you might be a loser and I'm looking to fuck someone else while I still take your resources. AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME. Tee tee."

This entire post is like you are at war with women and you are trying to find a way to win. You won't win. All you can do is be better and by being better, they will give things and themselves to you. For your turn, at least.

[–]ylp810 points points [recovered]

Actually dog-training is all about a power. A dog misbehaves when it believes it has power of you, that it is the alpha. The only way to train a dog is by putting it its place, by reminding it that YOU are the alpha.

[–]Philletto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A million small companion pet people disagree with you, but for the pack animal breeds you are completely correct. They fight to be top dog all the time. You might enjoy controlling a pack animal, so maybe you keep the bitch around too for the same reason.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kinda. Keep in mind that we've been breeding that shit out of dogs for thousands of years. Training for some is just natural. It took almost nothing to get my yellows to hunt and my shepherds to patrol the property.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Who is at war with women according to you? Me or yourself? A woman properly apologizes according to my terms, or she just fucks off. I win either way. Either she corrects her behaviour and I get the apology that I deserve, or I got rid of an annoying bitch. I call it self-respect. That's not controlling, neither is it war, that's giving them a choice.

[–]DarylDixonK points points [recovered]

The war will never be won my friend. Not while we desire to fraternize with the enemy...

[–]CollaterLDamage 0 points1 point  (2 children)

i dont know much about gay people but i assume theres still fights. if you want to play for the other team, more power to you

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it is well known that lesbians have the most brutal relationships when it comes to physical violence. Should this surprise any of us? Nope.

Anyway, I don't think you quite read is his post the right way. No homo.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Mostly I'm with you but I can train women. Even when I was blue pill I mostly managed to train women. With the red pill tweaks, it's a cake walk.

What makes you say you cannot train women?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh... so, yeah. I have literally trained women. I guess the nuance here is you can't change their fundamental behaviors. Sure, I can truss them up and have them make me sandwiches with their teeth because they're arms are bound behind their backs with plastic sheeting, but inside they are still the same pain in the ass they always are. This same bitch is still going to snipe at me from time to time just to see if I'll whither. I'm not going to not fucker her because of this. Why punish me?

[–]Philletto 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'm sorry, I just don't understand why anyone lets the power games go on once you figured out what was happening. Life is too short to have to spend so much energy with a losing battle. Puppy training is one thing, but I for one don't think its my job to train an adult. You give me shit, you don't exist in my life.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem is that you only get to train your woman when they are 20+ years old, and it's already ingrained in their brain. Their desire to be with you should be strong enough for her to change. Otherwise she won't bother and one of you will dump another. In both cases, there is no loss. Either you want a good girl, or no girl.

[–]ylp810 points points [recovered]

Let her cook your favourite meal for you, clean your stuff or anything else that you are supposed to do.

This is interesting because I actually rejected those trivial favors and told her it was blowjob or no forgiveness. She hamstered around for a few hours, but by bedtime she was gagging on my cock, then riding it. Possibly the best sex I've had in a year. I'm pretty happy.

I don't care about cooking/cleaning/etc. I can do all that myself, and I enjoy it. But you know what I can't do myself? Suck my own dick. That's literally the only thing I ever want.

[–]epubliusrex 3 points4 points  (2 children)

As I said above. If she doesn't get wet at the thought of blowing you--get rid of her.

[–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Exactly. Women like being submissive and blowing a dominant guy. That's not a punishment lol. Unless getting to fuck her is also a punishment too.

[–]epubliusrex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. See, the point is, is that you want them totally submissive. Where their sole source of fulfillment comes from giving you pleasure. That way, when they fuck up, you deny that to them. And then they hurt. Total role reversal.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just put a plate in timeout. No communication. She started bitching and asked why, I told her the only response I want from her was "ok". She complied. Now I am in control of the situation and the next time I want something her response will be "ok." That or NEXT!

[–]Toker95 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Wait so you're telling when arguing with your gf and adrenaline building, it's wrong to kiss her fully on the lips and take her to pound town, even though you both wanted it

[–]1ozaku7[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can you argue with your boss and still be respectful? I bet you can, and so should your arguments be with your girl. With respect. The moment you call your boss a fucking idiot you show disrespect and you can prepare to be fired.

[–]bobbytrp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good post. If you turn down a woman's attempts to have sex with you then it really shows that you have the power. For woman their sexual appeal and their ability to let men have sex with them is their primary power source. If she throws herself at you and you turn her down it messes with her head. If they can't control you through sex then the only other option is to comply with you. This builds a healthier communication in relationships and gives you the full power of your sexual interactions with hookups. I always view sex as something I'm giving rather than receiving. Adopting that mindset has helped me a lot with my relationships with women

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a big overlap between Women and Criminals.

Women have learnt that throwing a tantrum/using sex gets what they want because they have experience with it working.

Criminals are violent for the same reason, they have experience with a tantrum/being violent working.

Why would you change behaviour that you know works.

Great post OP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

My LTR tried this shit the other night, we got in bed and I started taking her pants off and she was like "no not tonight I'm tired" so I just rolled over and said "I'm not gonna be in a sexless relationship" and was falling asleep but then I felt her hand grab my cock 30 seconds later.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How often do you usually have sex per week/month?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most every day, might miss a day or two here and there during the week.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you miss a day of sex and you start act up about it? Maybe I got a low libido but every second day is enough for me.

[–]abbafishhead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the only acceptable response. And a lot of this needs to be implied; the dread game should be turned so high up from the get-go that she shouldn't even dare to ever reject sex. If you got to the point where you needed to warn her, you kinda lost the battle already.

[–]felipebarroz points points [recovered]

Can you share the thread regarding the " talking with friends on FB" ? I would like to read it

[–]1ozaku7[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Search: Never ever let your emotions show during an argument with a woman.

[–]bgrinnie 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What exactly are you supposed to do to punish them for bad behavior?

[–]mikeymop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I understand, in a relationship, it is to leave (or imply your not afraid to leave through absence)

[–]epubliusrex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reject them. Withdraw. The same thing they would do. Women function best for you when you are able to turn it around and use their own shit against them. Of course to be effective, they must know you will walk. So it's always best to have female orbiters. Even if you're married.

[–]redpillthrowaway34 points points [recovered]

A puppy rewarded with good behaviour will repeat good behaviour, and a puppy punished for bad behaviour will stop behaving badly.

And the only way you can punish her is by ignoring her and not giving a fuck.

[–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but by fucking her she sees "sex=get out jail free card" meaning all she has to do (like every other time she's been caught by every other guy) is have sex and she doesn't have to accept responsibility for her actions.

Girl does bad, guy gets mad, she pouts, doesn't work, she takes off clothes and fucks, guys not mad anymore, all good again!

You need to show her that she messed up and sex won't make it better, although there will be sex after she's paid for her misdeeds.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always struggled with this advice until I realized something: no action or inaction is punishment or reward in my relationship with my wife.

That is, I do whatever I want to her when I want. If she just did something good, I tell her it's a reward. If she just did something bad, I tell her it's punishment.

If I want a blowjob, I get a blowjob. If she just did something good, I tell her I'm giving her protein. If she just did something bad, I say the cock is gonna choke her. She thanks me for spanking her as a reward. She cries and gives me puppy eyes if I spank her as a punishment.

If I do it differently at all, maybe the reward spanking is a bit harder.

[–]VictorVaughan points points [recovered]

This is good advice but how do you maintain conviction when you're horny as hell and she strolls by with her butt jiggling in those tight stretchy pajama pants? All conviction = out the window.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you value more? Respect or a wet dick?

[–]roseillus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would you have done in his situation?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is bitch management for the bloop married guy. I recommend reading the original on the sidebar before you try to take what you can from this post.

10 years?

[–]Kalidane 0 points1 point  (4 children)


In practise, best to not think about such things.

When it looks like an emotion-driven word argument is coming, pick her up with her arms restrained and squeeze the sadness/bitchiness/whatever out of her. If it takes too long for her to smile like a child caught lying, carry her to the door, put her down and open the door.

Always amused, never pissy.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

There are limits to what is funny and to what is not.

[–]Kalidane 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Be a calm amused rock every time she is in an emotional maelstrom.

If there is a real matter to deal with it will quickly trickle out.

This also shuts down an entire category of shit test. Training them is very important.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just being indifferent and not letting it ruin your day is step one. Step two is making clear that this kind of shit annoys you and you look forward to her departure since you're only interested in a girl that can give you good times.

[–]Kalidane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Carrying her to the door and opening it meets the criteria for step two in an unperturbed manner.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That was my post.

Nice to see the experience and post sparked conversation around it.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Credit goes to you mate. I've had this shit happen to me too, and you sparked me to finally write about it.

[–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This only happens to good guys and betas you can never find a forum about badboys not getting sex from their women and they treat her like you guessed sh*t dont allow this ever always have options but women are herd thinkers she thinks all women dont want sex with you if she doesnt, illogical i know.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ever played with a cat? Ever noticed they run away when you give them attention, come closer when you don't? How about playing "catch the toy" with them. The game is ALWAYS over when they catch the toy.

Never let yourself be caught by her, and she will stay interested. Women want what they can't have, and never appreciate what they already own.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm a woman and I find this offensive REEEEEEE

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So true. Close friend got into a relationship with a woman who traded sex acts for favors or apologies. It did NOT end well but it sure ended quickly.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Practical example right here. Not only did he lose self-respect, but she also lost respect towards him, to the point of disgust how he can lower himself just to obtain that act of sex.

[–]lepel74 -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

Never trust a limb dog nor the tear of a woman. ( limb dog will cheat you and the tear of a woman will decieve you break your hart) - Martin Fierro -

[–]meh613 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Never trust a limping dog or the tears of a woman" - Azul Cantina is the proper quote.

[–]stemgang 1 point2 points  (2 children)

limb dog

What is this? Google reveals nothing.

[–]1ozaku7[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A dog that can't stand on one of its legs and walks funny.

[–]stemgang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, thanks.

But I think you mean limp, and the word is not an adjective as OP is using it.

[–]1The_BitterTruth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

limb dog?

[–]Windryder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because creatures with the limbs of a man and the body of a dog are truly horrifying - Guy Fieri -

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