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Red Pill TheoryWomen Don't Evaluate SMV Logically (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker

A lot of TRP can be condensed down to the idea of SMV.

SMV is a composite score of all of your attractive qualities minus your unattractive qualities. SMV can be quantified.

You see why this appeals to us. Most of us men are to some degree nerds - even if we don't fulfill the stereotype, we like the real, the concrete and measurable. A three plate bench, a 200k income, a chiselled bod, etc, they are all quantifiable and we can evaluate them against other men and use that to establish our "place" on the pyramid.

This method of thinking about SMV is very, very useful. It lets us perfect ourselves by min-maxing, like we're a character in an RPG. We can break SMV down, we can try to blot out character flaws or life problems that lose SMV. We can evaluate the efficiency of two SMV boosting actions, and evaluate the return we get from short term SMV sacrifices (IE, going to med school now to become a doctor in the future).

We use SMV for establishing a metric for what we feel we deserve. If you believe you're a 7, you're going to feel comfortable talking to that 6, you'll feel like it's a reach talking to the 8, and that will be telegraphed in your behavior. Then your results will match your mentality - the 8 felt your unease, the 6 dug your confidence, and your mental evaluation of your SMV was reinforced. A seven.

So why is this bad? We know 7s can't get 9s anyway, so what is the harm in him being realistic about his SMV? Isn't that not hamstering, isn't TRP all about swallowing reality - including the mathematical reality about your own "stats"?

It's not bad in a vaccuum, but it's bad when you combine it with Male Solipsism. Female solipsism is often understood as "women thinking that their reality is the reality that everyone lives in, and what is real to them is all that exists." The male version is "I approach reality with my analytical, slightly autistic male brain, so I assume that she approaches reality in the same way. I evaluate her based on real, measurable criteria, so she has her own criteria by which she comes up with logic-based measurements. How funny I am, how much I make, how I dress, my height, etc."

We think it all goes into some algorithm in her brain that takes in 6 feet x 9% bodyfat - 85k income in SF (poverty) + seen with 2 women (social status) - friends thinking I'm a slut = 7.7, good enough to date as a BB but not good enough to fuck raw on the first night.

I'm exagerrating to make a point, but male solipsism is essentially believing there's some alignment with a logical reading of reality to how women evaluate men. There's not, they don't parse it out, they just use intuition and decide "I want to fuck him" or "I'd date him" or "eww he's creepy". They really do not know why.

More evolved women / older women will sometimes be able to pin down to certain moments - when he did X I felt Y, and when I saw how he behaved at Z event, I knew I was getting turned on despite myself. They can break it down a little better, and they can apply a more cold, rational logic to evaluating men. That's why single moms / used up 30+ chicks go in hard and evaluate your earning potential, ability to provide emotional support, judgmentalness about her past, etc right off the bat.

But for 90% of the women you want to be fucking, the prime pussy that's prewall, you have to realize she doesn't think like you. Everything you've been taught by TRP that is important to her IS important to her, but she doesn't actually assess it in a manner that actually gets to the truth of it.

How you market your SMV is everything, and that is why you can and you should be batting ABOVE your station. There is no hamstering that a 5 can regularly fuck 9s, but a 7 can occasionally get 9s if he knows how to present his SMV. It's not what you have, it's what you suggest.

She doesn't know the difference between a 5 plate squat and a 3 plate squat. She doesn't know about muscle mass and bodyfat and bulking and cutting, she just thinks "hot or not". Abs and mirror muscles. She doesn't know what the difference is between a top-line BMW and an entry line BMW, she just sees the sign. She doesn't know the difference between what a 175k paycheck versus 225k paycheck means, it's just are you rich or not by however she defines rich - which is mostly just "how cool/posh does his lifestyle look."

She uses symbols of SMV and social status to evaluate you, not the real thing. She hears how you speak, how you stand, walk, move her around, claim ownership of the social situation, deal with other men, and her brain just pops out a "let's fuck him" or a bored, disinterested "eh". That's really the spectrum of her reaction to you - there's extreme cases like how she'd react to Leo or a homeless dirty guy making advances, but typically it's either "I'm bored as shit" or "I'm intrigued and aroused". Just keep her in that zone, don't worry about SMV. If you keep her in that zone, her mind will project high SMV traits onto you.

When you experience this, you'll understand how fucking crazy are. If they like you and want you to fuck them, they will rationalize high SMV traits onto you. And what's really crazy is they will honest to god believe it. They'll actually believe you're 6'3'' or have an 10 inch dick when you're like 6'1'' and maybe 7in on your best day - they can't think of themselves as having a slightly above average guy turning them out in the bedroom, so they reframe it as you're this total stud. Because her SMV is based in reality originally, but it really comes to life as an entity of its own in her mind.

And it grows and withers based on your behavior and how you feed it - which is why a married guy who's real SMV didn't decrease (he grew richer, kept working out, etc) can still lose his SMV in her mind. As in, she will start to think of him as less wealthy, less success, less ripped, less studly, etc. All of her measurements of his fitness as a mate - measurements that he thinks are real, verifiable quantities - will decrease in her mind and if you ask her, she'll actually believe it. This is why a lot of women will act on hypergamy, but go to a lower value male at least from your POV. She doesn't evaluate the SMVs logically, it's all based on hamstering.

Funny, charming, charismatic, a womanizer, ripped, big, hot, etc, if you behave in a manner that's attractive and alpha, she'll ascribe those traits onto you. As long as you are at least on the radar in terms of that trait (like if you are fat as fuck, she's not going to think of you as tanky and masculine like a bear - but if you are at least muscleyfat as I was for sure about 1.5 years ago, you can easily pull it off.) If you have the confidence and in your reality you truly believe you are X, she will believe it and it will become part of the foundation of your "applied" SMV.

Your real SMV won't be any higher, we're not going to hamster about that. You know you still need to improve - but in her mind, as long as you keep feeding the delusion and keep her emotionally stimulated, she'll keep cooking up increasingly hilarious components of your SMV.

Of course, the catch is, they only do it for you when they have to rationalize why they are attracted. If they are unattracted through some kind of behavioral fuck up from your end, they will ascribe negative traits to you. If her animal instincts aren't telling her to fuck you, but your SMV is logically high when considered in a vaccuum, she will actually believe you're skinny or weak or short or nerdy or whatever it is that helps her hamster you as unfuckable.

This is why a 8.5 studmuffin can behave beta in front of a group and be clearly socially shitted on for some inept action, and then the 7s won't touch him. They will reframe his SMV his traits. He might a total ripped, wealthy Chad, and but because he's behaving in a very unattractive way, the 7s aren't going to be like "Hmm, well normally Sir Chadwick merits a staunch 8.5 rating, but we must apply a .9 multiplier to account for his recent faggotry, thus docking him to a 7.65. Since I'm a clear 7, I'll still feel attracted."

That's how we'd work. The office minx put on 20 lbs and doesn't wear make up anymore - oh well, she's still a 7, all systems engage, let's fuck her. But not women, it's all suggestion to them, it's all about where they think you're going and what kind social implications fucking you would have. How high SMV can she hamster you as? If she can hamster you as a 10, and you can get enough attraction going, she'll help you out.

To conclude I'll say this is why you shouldn't set your sights low. Try to fuck every 9/10 you can, because that is the ONLY way you'll ever understand how to market up your SMV. That is what will shatter your illusions about SMV.

And before anyone replies with the "eh, typical hamstery bullshit, a guy can never date up!" then understand this - this only works if you hit MVP with your SMV. You need to have a "minimum viable product" to participate in the market. IE you have to be afloat in terms of SMV, and one good way to hit that point is through following TRP protocol to the tee for 1 year with regards to strict exercise, diet, socialization, developing interesting hobbies, fixing appearance, correcting shit stains in your life (like living in your mommas crib or wearing baggy cargo shorts, cutting out time-wasters, and getting at least weekly opportunities to try to convince hot bitches to fuck you. That will build an MVP in 1 year, maybe 2 years for the really fucked up guys.

If you can do that, you'll have a core of SMV that is good enough for her to hamster you as whatever she needs to pass her nonsensical cut offs and standards. See, women have fucking stupid standards and SMV bars that if you take seriously, you'll think I'll never get laid. I only date guys over 6 feet - well, it's a good thing you don't actually evaluate height in the way you think you do, and you think any guy who's attractive is tall.

"I never fuck / date black guys." Uhuh. "I am not attracted to indian/asian guys." Yeah, I believe you, just give me 5 minutes and you'll have either hamstered that I'm mixed race and a sexy exotic guy. See it's all smoke and mirrors, nothing is rooted in a realistic evaluation. Your SMV is whatever you want to it to be - within maybe 2-3 points of your real SMV. (After all, it's too hard for 99% of most men to behave more than 2 SMV points above what they actually believe they are.)

You need some delusional narcissism to deal with women, because they are both delusional and narcissists.

Always remember that. The hotter they are, the more your delusional narcissism will help you behave in a manner that will allow her to hamster you as a 10. Everything you say and do has to be aimed at her hamster, at feeding it, not at her logical mind. Improve your SMV, but never be limited or chained by it. SMV exists as a tool to help you improve the product you're putting on the market. But it's how you market and sell that product that will determine your success - and as advertisers discovered long ago, women are incredibly easy to market crap to.


[–]heartbroken_nerd 93 points94 points  (2 children)

Excellent post that explains why inner game PUA stuff works (to a certain degree). The more POSITIVELY delusional and self-brainwashed you are, the better. Your product appears to be more than it really is to the outside world, including women.

[–]good_guy_submitter 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Your product appears to be more than it really is to the outside world, including women.

The secret to Apple's success. If it can make them billions, it can get you laid.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 21 points22 points  (8 children)

To add my buck o five.

You have no idea what she would rate you, what she will want, what is attractive to her, and what you have. What most of you do is go for the mean, the middle ground and play the numbers hoping to get lucky. Tall guys have it easier, but they still need to be able to read girls. One thing you can bet on its she will probably be very insecure, think of herself as lower in smv than you think she is, and if played right you can fuck that hot girl easily, one you do you won't be intimidated or think she is higher than you are.

I'm short, I've almost always been heavy, thick looking. Some girls like that, most really don't. So my game has to be stellar to fuck 8-10, and I have to shatter shit tests with ease, or I'm stuck fucking fat and ugly girls. The thing I know is that as long as I can get her to qualify to me, I can fuck her with even her modest interest in me. At first glance I dig exude high intellect, wealth, and I tend to play down my strength especially in winter. My arms are big enough that if I wear something that shows them off I look try hard. I fuck girls half my age, hot girls. Plus I get many more showing ioi's and openly flirting in public.

I can because I know I can, and because I can display that I am a high value man despite understating my smv. Op is exactly right with this sentence. You gotta know you can, not just tell yourselves you can. You know it because you do it.

If you believe you're a 7, you're going to feel comfortable talking to that 6, you'll feel like it's a reach talking to the 8, and that will be telegraphed in your behavior. Then your results will match your mentality - the 8 felt your unease, the 6 dug your confidence, and your mental evaluation of your SMV was reinforced. A seven.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Having the confidence to admit that you are a 7 and be cool with it can make you look like an 8+. An unconfident 8 can easily be seen as a 6.

[–]MrBellsprout123 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I just finished Donald Trumps book the Art of the Deal. He talked about how he use to go to clubs with extremely wealthy men when he was in his early early and mid 20's. He would go to the clubs with them and hang out with the same women.

He had a lot of money at that time, i don't think he was making millions, he doesn't say, but he hadn't started his first major project yet so I suspect not. But he was still very wealthy.

Some of the girls would go back to his place and be disgusted with it, they were so use to banging millionaires with ferrari's that when they went home with a guy that made only a half a million, they were disgusted by him.

On the same token, I was in an Amazon book shop yesterday and there was a fucking absolutely beautiful woman working there, I think she was just organizing books or something. A solid 9/10. And I'm sure this woman would have been ecstatic if a guy that was making even 100k a year walked up to her and introduced himself to her.

Ya never know, you always gotta try. Women aren't robots. I've always been very good looking, 6'2", a solid chin, some people have told me I could be a model. I was terrible with fucking women, a huge beta buck.

Ya never know, people are wild cards, just try your best and hope you win, if not, be proud of yourself for trying.

[–]Acquin -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Solid response. I managed to fuck up my first date with a wonderful girl with a wonderful body because I actually thought my arms were too thin. After evaluation I realised she was planning on sleeping with me really soon. Yep, she moved on less than 1 second after the date finished. How fucking retarded I was. Learn from my mistakes children.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How do you know she was gonna fuck you? And what did you do to fuck it up?

[–]Acquin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She escalated... more than I'd like to admit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And how did you fuck that up?

[–]prostaddict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha it's a process man. I've been there. Had a girl I was crazy about go on a date with me and later tell me she was surprised I didn't take her back to my place because she was clearly giving me signs she was ready to sleep with me. Getting out of your head and reading their covert indirect communication is a process that is well worth mastering. Looking back, after more TRP, she definitely was "my friends tell me I should try online dating, that I really just need to sleep with someone to move on' while giving me alot of body language cues. Back then I didn't know how women communicated but now I'm just kicking myself

[–]Docbear64 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The best place to recognize this is when you are with a woman who's into you and she tells you she loves something about you that isn't true . You can see how the Fact of the matter is she digs you is the base of her perception towards you but the why? Well there may be lots of reasons or one really strong reason but whatever it is it shifts her overall perception to a Net positive for you .

Conversely ask a woman about a guy she finds creepy and watch the list of reasons coming rolling out of their mouth . I've heard women complain about something the creep did that I also did but it wasn't an issue .

Women don't love you as a breathing lump of flesh , they love their perception of what / who you are those external qualities that color your position in the world and more importantly her world ..

[–]honeydogg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In my early days where the pill was lodged in my throat and I was trying hard to swallow it, I landed a total knockout completely by accident. She would say shit like: "I love how independent you are, and how driven you are".

Truth be told, I was barely lifting, eating junk food, jerking off all the time and just not really being a top-tier male.

How I handled my few initial interactions with this chick really set the tone for the future of the relationship. My mouth would be (figuratively) agape when she would tell me things she loved about me. I thought she was crazy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 23 points24 points  (4 children)

I've never liked the term SMV because there is so much subjectivity to it and it changes from girl to girl and from situation to situation. It's also like 60% what you actually are and 40% performance.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

SMV is a great term if you understand it as how desirable / high value you will seem on average to most women. It's objective and subjective, and it's made up of objective components (wealth, physique) and subjective (game / social skills, social capital, network, confidence, other alpha traits. We need to evaluate SMV as objectively as possible so we can chisel out a plan for improving ourselves across multiple fields.

But it's just important to take a step back and realize that she doesn't really evaluate all of that. She evaluates how people react to you, how you behave, do your pupils dialate when shit tests you, can you comfortably assert your voice over the drone of the club speakers, etc. Having a high SMV will help you do all those things, but it's not going to do it for you - like you said, that's the performance component.

[–]blobblobz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like any statements caveats matter

[–]Geckobird -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True. It varies from girl to girl. You can have an HB6 who thinks your SMV is lower than hers and isn't attracted to you, while at the same time an HB8 thinks your SMV is higher than hers and worships you.

[–]clme 14 points15 points  (2 children)

The weak point in your analysis is that the guy is rarely alone with the girl, and the presence of other guys anchor the girl in reality and enable her to compare. As it was said, "comparison is the thief of joy".

All the bullshiting and the smokes and screens won't do you too much good when (a) she's on Tinder comparing hundreds of profiles or (b) she's in a club, with lots of guys vying for attention.

In addition to the anchoring in reality provided by the simultaneous presence of other dudes, a girl's girlfriends also help achieve the same anchoring. They bitch, criticize, evaluate, compare.

So in most situations when a 5 pretends to be an 8, he's going to get labels such as "creep", etc. The smell of shit travels around eventually.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The weak point in your analysis is that the guy is rarely alone with the girl

A man who escalates and isolates can always find himself alone with a girl.

In addition to the anchoring in reality provided by the simultaneous presence of other dudes, a girl's girlfriends also help achieve the same anchoring. They bitch, criticize, evaluate, compare.

So in most situations when a 5 pretends to be an 8, he's going to get labels such as "creep", etc.

This is the kind of attitude is that makes a man a 5 instead of an 8.

A man's value is the strength of his frame.

Know and love yourself. Understand that you were not placed on this Earth to please anyone but yourself, and pursue relationships with other people because it is pleasurable to do so.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, your SMV comes out through your behaviors and how people react to you, and her evaluation of you does come in a large part from how her friends think of you. For younger chicks especially, social value is everything.

Tinder and the club are both different ecosystems where due to the meatmarket nature, SMV, particularly looks, is inflated greatly in importance, so I'll leave that point alone. But for real life situations, social value is everything - and social value is not something that's hard-capped by SMV. A 5 is capable of building social value, it's just harder.

For example in your point you're saying that her friends and competing guys will bring her back down to earth - and they will, if they feel like you're a beta who has no social value. If the guy wins over the group and if she sees you calmly handling another guy trying to tool you / cockblock, and she sees that her friend is interested, your stock goes up with her.

Reality is anchoring to a degree - but only because she's looking to see where your place in the pack is. She's looking to see how others react to your shit, so she can take the social cue and react in kind. You can see that as limiting, like surely someone will "expose" me as batting above my station. Or you can see the opportunities it presents - work the group, win over the guys, deal with the one rude asshole / competitor, etc. You're assuming that the people around her are rational - they aren't. If she's in a group, you either play the group or you take her out of the group.

[–]Schhwing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Totally. When I feel like a 9 I can hit on any girl I see and it works. Confidence can def improve your SMV by 2-3.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is a fantastic post and you have tremendous talent. Tremendous!

[–]ikigaiaru 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Anyone who disagrees with this post is not being as confident around women as they think they are. You can be a short fat dude but if you fully own yourself, you can do much better than you ever originally imagined. Confidence and charm is everything.

Inner game = motivation to live confidently = more experiences = more reference points = more confidence = better inner game (repeat until you die).

[–]count_bratula 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Excellent post - goes a long way towards explaining why men can 'punch' above their weight through delusional notions of grandeur

[–]RiPing 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This explains a lot. I'm a 6'2 white guy and I get a lot of eyes and first sight attraction. But the moment I start talking to them I'll probably fuck off because of my bad social skills and they notice it and lose interest.

If only I knew how to practice this well.

[–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Eh, for what? A few months of ego validation and physical pleasure and then years of nagging and drama, constant demands and expectations and never ending disappointment?

Reading all of these comments makes me exhausted. FUCK all this monkey dancing, hoop jumping slave shit.

[–]FerociousOreos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This should be stickied. Excellent post, a lot to be learned here. This should be the gold standard of RP theory. Well done mate.

[–]ralphnlauren 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Which is why lifestyle choices are a major factor, probably even more so than appearance to some degree, in regards to the kind of success you have with women. A guy who has social hobbies and is involved in the right scenes will have way more success than a handsome workaholic. I have seen it many times, the 25 year old bartender doing so much better with hot girls than a 25 year old medical student because one is spending time near hot girls and the other isn't.

Not to say you should ditch your career as a doctor, that would be foolish, but just saying that you need to build a lifestyle that puts you into contact and regular interactions with attractive women. Move to that fun part of a big city, do social hobbies, spend your weekends out rather than in posting on forums, and invest some time into social media. Put yourself in a situation where your lifestyle is doing your work for you and you're not having to go out of your way.

Which is why location matters too.

Move to good cities if you can help it instead of staying in terrible cities where everyone is married by 25 and there are far more single men than single women. Pick good cities and involve yourself in the right scenes, let your lifestyle do you work for you.

It matters even more for minorities!

I've been in environments where girls did not want to get with guys of certain races because it would be seen as low status but as soon as these guys moved to other areas, they did better. Noticed it myself when I lived in the south and it was rare for attractive white women to go for minorities but as soon as I went out west, it was borderline normal for it to happen.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Location matters because immersion breeds confidence and learning. It's like how going to prison and being in the mindset of "my asshole is going to get widened if I don't look tough" will compel you to lift and eat cals at a madman rate. The environment itself is far worse than a cushy LA fitness and a Safeway for getting your gains in, but the immersion 24/7 forces you to adapt and learn.

Med school is filled up with sluts, so if you party you'll get decent exposure, but the bartender is dealing with women and their BS every night. He's getting so many opportunities to bust on chicks that dolled up in full dress to kill mode. Push up bras and make up have no effect anymore, etc.

You have to be immersed in an environment where there's daily opportunities, and your lifestyle has to put you in the right places at the right times. The parallel to marketing is that you can have the best product and the best ads, but if it's aimed at the wrong target demographic or it's using mediums no one uses anymore (like yellowpages or print newspaper), it's not going to stick at all.

[–]Shiva-Lingam 5 points6 points  (3 children)

"I never fuck / date black guys." Uhuh. "I am not attracted to indian/asian guys." Yeah, I believe you, just give me 5 minutes and you'll have either hamstered that I'm mixed race and a sexy exotic guy. See it's all smoke and mirrors, nothing is rooted in a realistic evaluation. Your SMV is whatever you want to it to be - within maybe 2-3 points of your real SMV. (After all, it's too hard for 99% of most men to behave more than 2 SMV points above what they actually believe they are.)

You realize that when you're the outlier in a trait that women say is a deal-breaker. In your case it appears to be your ethnicity, for other people it could be their non conventional face (not necessarily ugly), a disability, being short or anything else that most people would think places them in the "unfuckable" category - a category that exists only if you place yourself inside it, because whatever it is that makes you non attractive it's not an issue for anybody else if it's not an issue for you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What height do you define as short ?

[–]Shiva-Lingam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would define it as: when over 95% of people you see around you are taller than you are. I'm 157cm (~5.15 ft), so objectively I would be considered short (and an outlier on the height bell curve).

Subjectively, it's as much of a problem as I decide to make it: and I have decided to make it a non-issue. People will always find something wrong with you, it's your responsibility to make sure it doesn't affect you. I've dated women of all heights up to 6ft without any issue on their part and I've had people of average and above average height tell me that they were intimidated or outright scared of me the first time they met me - not because I'm a serial killer or act crazy, but because commanding respect is not related to size. Sure, there might be a handful of people who decide to ignore that gut feeling and mess with me, but that's because pricks are pricks to everybody: I was friends with a 6'2" bodybuilder and martial artist and he too had his fair share of pricks who couldn't conceive that maybe messing with him was a bad idea.

Reading your history it seems that you have an issue with your height because you're slightly below average. I would suggest that in your case height is not even a problem, but your mindset is. Start working on yourself and your mindset: read more (the sidebar is a good start, but it's just that - a start) and stop frequenting the incel sub.

[–]electricspresident 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a really good post; a lot will see it as weak/hamstering/delusions...but confidence/irrationally high self belief is at the core of game ...not just the game of getting laid but at everything. Many of the greats in sports, philanthropists, artists all had to force themselves to 'fake it till you make it' or 'believe your own bullshit' .

Connor McGregors explanation of this concept is one that I've personally related to. You must google, understand and embrace this concept. Overall the simplest form of this concept was spoken off many years ago.

'The mind is everything, as you think, you become' - Buddha

[–]Smigg_e 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the realest shit ive ever heard and ever tried to explain to anybody on this sub. Women and life are not black and white. If you figure out your own grey area and own that shit like a fucking paid off mortgage you'll be more successful with anyone and everything you encounter.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This a very sad way to see the world.

[–]metallica11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its ALL about how your traits are manifested OUTWARDLY that matters. This may seem like a "duh" statement, but the subtle difference is that women won't give you a chance, even if you have objective SMV indicators (income, 6 pack, good fashion, etc), if those indicators are not somewhat manifested outwardly. Whereas men will stop and think "there has to be more".

A guy in loose fitted jeans and a loose sweatshirt and unkempt hair and is driving his brothers rusty geo metro while walking hunched over is going to have his SMV almost permantely stunted based on the preservation of first impression, even though he was a ripped healthy fitness intructer with a 6 pack and low bodyfat (if you are low body fat you dont look like you lift with a loose sweater on) presenting at a conference and spilled milk all over his fitted suit and tuxedo, while his masarati would not start and he had to rent his brothers rusty geo metro, while slipping on something and temporarily making it hard for him to walk and a hunchback.

[–]1randomperson123321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post. It has some parts overstated tough.

For example:

You need some delusional narcissism to deal with women, because they are both delusional and narcissists.

This part is only partially right. Some women, just like some men, are really like that. Most however, are not. Women subconsciously detect it when someone is surrounded by an aura of value and when he is just behaving as if he is someone of value.

If you put a "Chad" of high value next to a highly delusional narcissist who is not as good as "Chad" the women will eventually end up preferring "Chad". This does not mean that the delusional narcissist will not get laid. There's a high chance that the women will overestimate his value initially, giving him the chance to score.

[–]xXSoroxXx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent post. Appreciate the heavy use of business terms, helps me understand it better.

[–]KennyF91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love it, definitely agree, you have to be pretty audacious and arrogant to sell yourself without seeming desperate. If you hold a realistic frame and are willing to walk away, it helps vs being nice

[–]fcb98292 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would a man expect a woman to place her secondary strength of logic above her primary strength of emotion?

[–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"but never be limited or chained by it"

You don't see the irony in that given the context?

[–]OneLifeSucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just do you honestly. Take care of yourself and every time you talk to a new girl or even one you know; just be cool, talk less than you listen, and give tingles. Don't worry about your smv, just assume it's good enough.

[–]Rugby11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You need some delusional narcissism to deal with women, because they are both delusional and narcissists." https://soundcloud.com/user-580652804/the-mark-baxter-podcast-episode-6-rollo-tomassi-and-ed-latimore

[–]Mescuzzi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There REALLY needs to be MORE articles like this on TRP. Well said

[–]sorceryofthetesticle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She uses symbols of SMV and social status to evaluate you, not the real thing.

The fundament of marketing and manipulation in general. It's worth explaining that EVERYONE (including you, dear TRP reader) relies on limited symbols to evaluate arbitrary scales of value like SMV. People who understand these symbols and can employ them creatively are the people who best affect the people around them.

Thanks for the post, quality content here.

[–]Luckyluke23 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

But not women, it's all suggestion to them, it's all about where they think you're going and what kind social implications fucking you would have.

so what you are saying it's ALL about FUTURE gains to them and not what you have right now?

[–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely not. In fact most of them have serious trouble with long terms planning and delay of gratification.