Red Pill Theory"Women are a Lagging Indicator" or "If You Build It, They Will Come" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev

Women are a Lagging Indicator

So here’s the deal. Life is about The Journey. You can go read about the “Hero’s Journey” in Joseph Campbell’s work, or in Michael Moorcock’s, or even Mark Twain’s, like in “Huckleberry Finn” where on their way to freedom, Huck and Jim are really already free.

This is why TRP tells you to Lift. So you can be in the best physical condition FOR YOU. Because being a fat slob is no fun, just ask any fat slob. It sux, and, secondarily, it keeps you from getting girls, too.

Look, I can tell you I’m a successful guy, which I am, or that I bang 21-22 y.o. women, which I do. I can share all the knowledge I have, and hope you LURN from it. I’m not running a religion and your faith is NOT required, but if you only believe ONE THING I ever say, believe this: If you don’t have your health, you don’t have SHIT.

So Lift, run, do yoga, swim (I recommend this, because when you are old you can still swim), eat clean do whatever the fuck you need to do to be healthy. Because without it, you’re nothing.

What is the best exercise for you to do? The one you will do EVERY FUCKING DAY. Ask Dmitri Young. He was a professional athlete baseball player. MoFo weighed 291 pounds...and it wasn't a good look. It was also probably a lie. I'd say 325. Either way, that dude was F-A-T, FAT. He’s 205 now, and looks like he should be in a Save the Children commercial. Srsly, he looks like 50 Cent when he lost all that weight for his role in Things Fall Apart. Google it. It’s a fucked up look.

So what about lagging indicators? Women are a lagging indicator of success. WHEN you are in shape, WHEN you are successful, WHEN you have made yourself excellent in one or more ways, THEN the pussy will flow. You think I would be sliding my 49 y.o. cock in to 21 y.o. pussy if I was a fat slob with no game and nothing going on? Not.Gonna.Happen. Sure I look like I’m made up out of spare dinosaur parts, but I built my life, I put in my time in the House of Iron, I became Excellent At Something (a couple of somethings) AND I have game. That’s why you never see me here whining about being a no-pussy-getting-MFer. Instead I’m dealing out solid advice to the young men. That shit doesn’t just HAPPEN. S’allz I’m sayin’.

Don't worry about women. Be the Best Version of You that You Can Be. If You Build It, They Will Come. And they will keep coming.

[–][deleted] 285 points286 points  (13 children)

Women are a lagging indicator of success. WHEN you are in shape, WHEN you are successful, WHEN you have made yourself excellent in one or more ways, THEN the pussy will flow

In the words of Bill Burr:

"They don't want a loser, they want a winner. They don't give a fuck which winner; they just stand at the finish line"

[–]Eternasphere 41 points42 points  (6 children)

"Emotionally unavailable extended" I'm gunna give the whole thing a listen tonight

[–]Microphone926 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Enjoy! Bill Burr is great! In fact, he just came out with a nee Netflix stand up special. I'm on mobile so I forget the name of it, but it just came out.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (4 children)

It's not his best. Marriage is making him soft. The last one was way better. Saw him in Montreal few months before, even the unpolished stuff he did before the special was on point.

TBH, the best bet if you're in for a Bill fix, watch him ramble during the election party with Joe Rogan. Probably should have been a special, and it's just him drunk, riffing on his buddies

[–]10J18R1A 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I agree. However his rant about fat people was glorious.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is true. I did get a chuckle on his anti-trump racism rant, then proceeded to do his own for the next 20 minutes, with hitler peppered in.

Was food for thought, say you hate trump, then you get a pass for everything else you say for an hour

[–]reddit_sucks3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Keep listening to him include his wife more and more on his podcast and just keep getting disappointing time and again.

Seems like Bill is on his way to being just another cucked comedian.

[–]feminists_are_dumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. It's the first time I actually laughed instead of just saying "yeah that's a good point".

[–]perplexedm 55 points56 points  (2 children)

I can't think of any other perfect example than this case below.

The Indian sanitary pad revolutionary:


My wife gone, my mum gone, ostracised by my village - I was left all alone in life


"It was instant glory, media flashing in my face, everything" he says. "The irony is, after five-and-a-half years I get a call on my mobile - the voice huskily says: Remember me?"

[–]Stythe 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Look at that. All these yards of feminism and empowerment and women have created a culture of princesses with nothing to offer and white knights with no dignity, yet over in India, where women use sand as tampons, a broke ass, uneducated man with a goal was abandoned by everyone around him, only to succeed by sheer will, and allow his wife, mother and everyone around him to prosper with the understanding that personal drive is what keeps progress going.

Fuck man, Western society is screwed. At least India has some catching up to do before they get fucked. Good on the guy, too bad he let himself be used again.

[–]Returnofthemack3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, so many men think that it's like the movies, where you'll be with a woman that loves you for YOU at that moment in time and will stick with you through thick and thin. While this does still happen, it's pretty damn rare, and is becoming more rare by the day. I can probably count on one hand the amount of couples that fit into this model in my life. It's certainly not something to bank on.

[–]Westernleaning 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair to them, they can't stand there for very long. Or until some younger girl takes their place. Poor women, time is a downward slope for them if all they rely on is their looks...

[–]RolandTheDickslinger 91 points92 points  (2 children)

It's actually a continuous process. As you get parts of your life sorted out, women will start coming at you. At first it's just a drip. Then, a trickle. Once you get everything into shape, you'll have more options than you'll know what to do with. You'll have achieved true Abundance Mentality. A stream of pussy.

I'm mentioning this as another incentive for those who are still postponing what they should already be doing. You don't need a good job to lift. You don't need a six-pack to approach. You don't need a nice car to fuck a girl. Do everything in parallel. Watch the red carpet unfold in front of you.

[–]redpill-account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Late comment but really like the idea of parallel development.

It's easy to get tunnel vision and only focusing on lifting, while ur game or intellectual pursuits go down, or to get on a hot streak n neglect the gym .

It also makes it all that much sweeter when skills and traits start overlapping and connecting and feeding off each other

[–]trippinallday points points [recovered]

It's definitely a lagging indicator. I'd say I got my body to a point where chicks would find it fairly attractive (6 pack big biceps and decent chest) a couple months ago. I figured I'd have chicks throwing themselves at me then, but they weren't at first. I still had individual successes, but aside from that it was pretty underwhelming. I figured that's how it goes, and I was cool with that.

A week or two though it's like a switch flipped. Chicks who were indifferent before just fucking stare at me like crazy, and a bunch of hot ass high value chicks (we run in the same circles and they definitely know who I am but never talked to them personally) followed me on Instagram and added me on Snapchat out of nowhere. Like a lot of them in the span of a couple days when it rarely ever happened uninitiated before this.

To be honest I don't know what the fuck happened/changed, I've been doing things the same as I've been for a long ass minute, but I'm interested to see where this goes. Finally starting to see the real fruits of my labor I suppose.

[–]Diddlydangerous 64 points65 points  (1 child)

Mimetic desire. Someone signals a desire for one thing, and then everyone else wants that thing.

[–]thewrightstuff88 39 points40 points  (0 children)

aka a form of preselection

[–]thisornothing 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Could just be that you were consciously looking for reactions at first, then you took your focus off from that - you stopped caring - and they started paying you more attention. Just a theory, but I've had something similar happen myself.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ points points [recovered]

You need time to spread the marketing so to speak. Like, you dont want to be the obnoxious dude who just takes his shirt off unless you can pull it off, sow no you are the ripped guy in clothing, what to do? This is where things like Social Media come in handy, contrary to what people in here say about it. Post a shirtless pic with your dog or some distraction. All your unfuckable female friends will talk to eachother about, then it slowly spreads up to the 8's and 9's. Once you fuck an 8 or 9 it's a lot faster, but Social Media can help get you over that Hen-and-Egg problem.

[–]trippinallday 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah that's true. I rarely have my shirt off around others so they have no way of knowing more than my biceps and chest width unless I start getting showy and shit.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 13 points14 points  (0 children)

had the same thing happen. I think two things are a play. once you get attractive enough genetically through your muscular appearance, confidence and features you will start getting the girls DTF when they are ovulating. second thing is it depends on what time of months you go out. I find that around 1-5 in a month most girls seems likely to ovulate. thats when I get hit up the most when going out and thats when my tinder is blowing up.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Finally starting to see the real fruits of my labor I suppose

There's a few explanations for this:

  • Random noise. There are natural ups and downs. You'll see in a month or two..

  • Social credit. Once a girl likes you, the others are more inclined to, then even more like you. This causes a strong avalanche of attraction, but it's local to a social group.

  • Body fat tipping point. There may be a tipping point beyond which you flip from average to hot, and it's quite a fast change, and visible in your face but you don't notice.

  • You've fixed something you don't know about - possibly mentality although I'm dubious that this effect is as strong as is claimed.

  • Voice or body language may have changed, but again I'm a bit dubious that the effect is particularly large.

[–]trippinallday 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My guess is probably a combination of social credit (I've been very social but the past couple weeks my "status" has exploded as well) and the fact that it's starting to warm up and Valentine's day is coming up, so seasonal subconscious type stuff.

And unless I've just been oblivious up until now I'd say the effects are quite pronounced.

[–]ChristianRedpill points points [recovered]

You may have leaned out more than you were aware of. Big is good, but lean is far better. eat clean, get lean, stay mean(gym), that's the combo.

[–]AvengerSentinel 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You've been on a roll lately. Your writings are truly valuable man, much respect.

[–]Derive1334 17 points18 points  (11 children)

As a 23 year old who just graduated college and is in a job where I don't see myself thriving long term, what tips do you have for someone my age career wise? Currently I'm just saving as much money as I can until I see an opportunity to invest come to fruition.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Read my "CorporateLand" series. It's linked to the sidebar on AskTRP. Also read the bit of "Life After 30: How to be an Old Guy". It's on the same link.

[–]Manwith1name 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Life after 30 is rad, if you build a strong base the women flow like wine

[–]Derive1334 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for pointing to me on the right direction.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Try asking in asktrp.

what tips do you have for someone my age career wise?

Find something you really enjoy that pays well, and work hard at it regardless of how difficult it is.

Most people enjoy what they're good at (exception = sex) so you can usually do both.

The non-obvious part of this is that if you're doing something you really enjoy, you can work hard at it without getting burned out.

Avoid aspirational careers though - these depend on the whims of other people, have great results for a tiny number of people trying, and are overcrowded with people working for free (acting is the worst, photography and art to a large extent, music, etc)

Currently I'm just saving as much money as I can until I see an opportunity to invest come to fruition.

This won't happen by itself. Investments are risky and the best ones come from you having better knowledge than other people, and you get the knowledge from being in a particular business and knowing it extremely well.

[–]Derive1334 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Thanks for this. I'm thinking about trying a stint in sales. I understand it's tough but if you know how to sell, that plays over into many other aspects of life. Can never hurt.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I understand it's tough but if you know how to sell, that plays over into many other aspects of life.

Sales can be a great career if you love it and have the mentality for it. I don't. It's just not me, I see I'm fundamentally different to good salesmen.

If it's you and you love it - totally go for it. It's a career you can make your own and do very well at it.

PS I'm not sure you've got the right attitude though.. "try a stint" sounds like you're planning on dabbling for a while and then doing something else. Work out what the "something else" is before you start.

[–]Derive1334 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What do you mean you're fundamentally different? And good call. If I'm jumping into something I have to really commit with both feet.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What do you mean you're fundamentally different?

I do not have the salesman mentality. I couldn't do what they do, I have no desire to (although I do want the rewards of course and I guess I could force myself to do it if I had to).

What that difference is... I can't put my finger on.

Commit to it, see if it's you. If it works great, if not then change gear and commit to something else. Don't dabble, but do keep your options open. Make sense ?

[–]Derive1334 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%. Thanks for the advice Matty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Agreed sales is awesome for a good taste of making money and actually being paid for producing

However I'm 28 now and honestly I'm over it. I'm looking into starting a venture with some friends and seeing how it goes.

But you don't know shit until you've been in the business world and interacted with owners, CFOs, etc.

Plus I needed a couple hundred grand cushion.

Btw Matty I always end up posting under you but I'm talking to op I just generally agree with your posts.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just generally agree with your posts

I forgive you for this.

Generally if you're replying to op, it's worth including their tag like this: u/Pitchfork51 or u/VasiliyZaitzev so they see the replies in their inbox.

However I'm 28 now and honestly I'm over it. I'm looking into starting a venture with some friends and seeing how it goes.

Great plan - drop me a line I have a few tips on this sort of thing. You may know more than me by now, but there's a few things worth remembering about this stuff.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 17 points18 points  (2 children)

There's no better feeling (other than having sex with her) than knowing a hot girl is checking you out because you're insanely in shape.

It makes a huge difference.

[–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I felt this for the first time in my life back in college when I lost over 100 pounds. I can't put into words how amazing it felt to be liked by a woman because I took care of my body. All those years of scarfing down delicious unhealthy shit were never worth it-- a few seconds of a dopamine high due to low self control as opposed to the constant sexual attention you get from women, not to mention that people treat you with more respect, is a shitty trade.

It's crazy because the guys who don't learn this lesson end up being the skinnyfat losers with n counts <5 in their entire life, who end up marrying used up hags. As a man, you owe it to yourself to experience the thrills of being a man. Be inside of multiple women-- far better than being inside of your mother's basement or inside of a doritos bag.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've made more business deals based on my increase in muscle size/posture/firm handshake than any amount of sweet-talking.

Combine politeness, courtesy, and assertiveness in combination with a muscular body and you can't help but find success.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is gold. I was overworked and overstressed had a shit body, turned it around and can see now how much happiness comes from just having a very well functioning body, that and tons of pussy. being out 2 times since newyears, both times I have been hit up by women for 1 night stands out of the blue. no convo. mentally its a world of difference.. upvoted.

[–]throwawaysarenotok 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Lifting is only one way to gain confidence, and subsequently confidence with women. I used to be jacked. Planned all my meals, lifted 6 days a week. It was easy to get chicks, but I wasn't the most successful professionally. That was my Achilles' heel and the girls could smell it.

I stopped lifting. Eat whatever the hell I want now. Lost 40 lbs of lean mass and look like Christian Bale in The Machinist: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cXnGb6tr-u8/TWl2Psk_fXI/AAAAAAAACOg/XNoDW28k5_E/s400/omens02262011.jpg

However, the time I saved by not focusing on lifting and eating perfectly I diverted almost 100% into my career and making money. My professional and financial success has skyrocketed. As a result, I'm actually more confident now than when I had muscles but was struggling professionally. The end result is that it's easier for me to approach and attain women now then when I was buff and girls would ogle me like a piece of meat. Yes getting their attention is harder and I don't have that initial spark/attraction like I used to before. However I am more confident in myself now because it is harder for the average person to achieve the professional/financial success I have than it is for them to achieve a jacked, 6-pack body. I know because I have done both. This has given me the courage to approach the females that I thought were too attractive for me in the past, and the more you approach the more success you will have.

I will say however, if you're not in good physical shape you MUST be slick with your words and be able to convey your success with speech and body language in a way that is attractive (game?). The girls will be able to smell your success. I don't know how they do it, for some it is natural, others have to develop the skill. The ones that reject you miss out because their radar is not sensitive enough to discern your success, that's that way I look at it.

If all you have is your body your lack of game will eventually cause you to crash and burn. I'm not trying to knock the lifting lifestyle, but I will say that money/professional success can be just as powerful if not more powerful than muscles when it comes to women, or even happiness/self-fulfillment. This has been true for me (I have tried both). Do I plan on getting my diet and body back in order again? Yes, but career comes first because the impact it has had on my life has been significantly greater.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm not trying to knock the lifting lifestyle

No worries. For me, it's more important to be "fit" than "jacked" but that's for guys to decide for themselves. The important thing is to be healthy.

[–]yomo86 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What goes hand in hand with the lagging indicator is your increased ability to say "no".

Want to have breakfast before work? "no gotta work out"

Want to do something in the afternoon? "no I have Spanish lessons"

Want to go to XYZ-movie with me? "no I already have plans"

As soon as one gets his life in order time becomes valuable and value is what women seek.

[–]TheYoungOwl_ 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Yep, as long as you establish in their minds from the get go that you are a sexual being manifested in a masculine body...they will come alright...they will come...all night long...

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Confidence. It it is the most important thing. Ex. I don't care what anyone else believes, I care what I believe.

[–]OmegaMan2 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Lifting and getting ripped will give you that confidence.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not 100%, I think, but it helps.

[–]electricqueer points points [recovered]

What happens when a girl thinks you are delusional for believing you are awesome?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dunno. It's never happened to me. But if it does, I'm sure I'll write about it.

My vibe is "mildly subversive" so if I ever faceplant, I can make it seem satirical. But historically I'm pretty good at backing up my bullshit, so there's that.

[–]Cartz1209 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This to me is what TRP is all about! This isn't a post about how to apply the tactic XYZ to get pussy tonight, 100% guaranteed! No, this is basically telling you "invest in yourself, be the best you can be and pussy will become a consequence".

Recently I replied to some other user telling them exactly this to which he replied back that according to the sidebar:

Welcome to The Red Pill The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

It's good to see that more people point into the long term objective and not only being focused on the short term pussy reward.

Although, even if this post carries a strong message, there isn't much practical to study in it. To experiment and replicate. It would definitely be interesting if you /u/VasiliyZaitzev could get into the specifics. What took you there? What mistakes and what you learned from. Topics like money, profissional success, culture, etc. In summary, what's the routine in a winner's day?

[–]circlhat -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Blue pill is the same message improve yourself , red pill is about perception

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

One upvote for mentioning Moorcock. Even though he was a skinny drug addict in most incarnations, the eternal champion always manned up.

[–]Dildobagginsaa 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To test the "do it for you" path of motivation, start a company and pay people with pats on the back.

After youre finished there, cut the bullshit and see the world for what it really is. A human does not get out of bed for anything less than;

Food Shelter Family Sex Belonging

Or more specifically, when a autonomous caluculation run through your subconcious mental model tells your body that a certain activity will yield a greater reward than the risk and subjective value of time spent.

[–]tddaygame 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Don't worry about women. Be the Best Version of You that You Can Be. If You Build It, They Will Come. And they will keep coming.

Not unless you try to get them. You still need to approach, you still need to go out and meet them. Being most accomplished businessman jacked as Arnold himself in his prime won't get you girls if you're sitting on a private island all by yourself.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, must write that down..."Do...not...live...in isolation...on...a...private...island."

Thx for the tip. /s

[–]freeman_c14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Op doesn't really focus on it but he does talk about having game.

[–]CocoaPill 4 points5 points  (3 children)

OP must grasp economics and/or be familiar with financial markets... "Lagging indicator" is also part of technical analysis lingo hehe. Solid article, thanks

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have it on solid advice that the OP works in a trading shop.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I heard he was an ex-pinko commie

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. That was a filthy smear, spread by his enemies.

[–]FBIagentPosingAsKid[🍰] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

This doesn't apply to me. I have been lifting for years and is jacked. Have a high paying job. Yet I'm still a kissless virgin

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This doesn't apply to me.

Always with you it cannot be done

[–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are fucking up somewhere then because those are two of the top things women find attractive. Are you submissive and supplicating? Maybe you have some kind of mental block, lack of confidence, or ?? Do you have game and know how to flirt?

The good news (if youre telling the truth) is you have the qualities that can take the longest to develop. A little fine tuning and things will change very quickly for you.

[–]purplecabbage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Love reading this shit from dudes like me in their 40's. Right on!

[–]roeddit points points [recovered]

So Lift, run, do yoga, swim (I recommend this, because when you are old you can still swim), eat clean do whatever the fuck you need to do to be healthy. Because without it, you’re nothing.

And if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Anyone who's had an injury that put them out of the gym for an extended time knows how fragile this is. It'd be nice if there was something more solid to attach one's self worth to, but that's not the way of nature - those things need to be trained/learned/socialized.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We all reach a time when we wake up and think, "Why does that [body part] hurt? I never did anything to it." this is also why I recommended both yoga and swimming. Yoga that works your core is going to keep you upright longer, and swimming is something that can be done into old age.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

AND I have game.

Just as important as lifting.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Actually, I think game is the most important thing. Not from a "mind game" perspective, but from more of a holistic point of view.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm disheartened by the number of "just lift bro" pieces of advice that I see. You can be in peak condition, but that only gets you part way there (and not that far). Maybe it's sexual myopia; mistakingly thinking that women are as enamoured with our appearance as we are with theirs. 15 years ago the opposite problem existed. PUA advice ignored having a decent looking body and building yourself as an individual, and a lot of it focused solely on game, which is a s false of an approach as "just lift bro".

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Two Points:

A. Really, I think the focus should be more on "fitness" except for guys who need muscle mas for sports or who want to be "shredded". I once needed the former (but no longer) and I never cared about the latter.

B. This post does not exist in a vacuum. I am speaking about a particular issue, not presenting my point as a panacea to solve "Pussy, And The Acquisition Thereof." Did I talk about "Approach Anxiety" in this post? No, but I did in another post. Did I talk about "Abundance Mentality"? No, but I did in another post. See that forest over there? It's made up of individual trees.

[–]ShortyThrowaway87 2 points3 points  (14 children)

For a 49 year old endorsed member, you do post an awful lot of humblebrag. Some of which contains valuable advice (Corporateland series et al), and some of which are pretty content light. This is one of the latter.

[–]abdada 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The value of this entire post is in the title -- the rest was needed to actually fill it in, but probably the guys who needed to hear it most got what they needed out of the title.

Some TRP truths are best promoted as single sentences. But then the average Redditor won't get their chance to put in two cents, so covering more than a sentence with a fluff piece is necessary.

The title is pure gold, though. Women are a side effect in my life. People would always bitch at me when I was young that I spent too much time chasing skirt, but now 20 years later in my 40s, they're all married to fat naggers and telling me I spent too much of my youth chasing risky business ideas.

Fat useless fucks, all of them. They only saw the side effects of what I was actually doing, they still can't see the truth.

One fat bastard I was friends with in high school still likes to shitpost publicly about my 2 business failures over 30 years. Can't see the forest for the trees.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

probably the guys who needed to hear it most got what they needed out of the title.

The guys who really need it probably need to read it about 3 dozen times. But, thx for your support.

[–]abdada 2 points3 points  (2 children)

But, thx for your support.

I wasn't being sarcastic or shitting on a great post. The title was enough for me, and the rest was just the necessary handholding for those who didn't say "shit yeah".

I prefer to call women a side effect, but I much much much prefer "lagging indicator of value" and "instant indicator of low value".

My LTRs have always reminded me when I did something fucking awesome last month or when I am doing something useless this week. The LTR I appeared to have failed miserably a few years back was a huge reminder that I had failed myself badly. My current LTR's overall happiness is just a reminder that I am doing for myself what I need to do, and she's reflecting my own awesomeness.

[–]Lsegundo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women are side effects This is an excellent quote. I think I will turn it into a short post.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wasn't being sarcastic or shitting on a great post.

I know you weren't. I meant it. My point was that the guys who need it need the whole thing. Guys who know what they're about can read the title as a memory jog, and be fine.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Your reply reminds me I have to write one on "DGAF"....

[–]ShortyThrowaway87 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

I know you DGAF, just as I DGAF about whether you do or not. I'm just pointing out that you're not really offering anything of value here aside from feelgood type fluff and humblebrag.

And as an aside, I'm 20 years your junior and am growing out of bragging about conquests, constantly referencing the hotness/age of women I'm sleeping with, notch collecting, my financial success etc. It's pretty cringeworthy in all honesty and I suspect indicative of someone who isn't quite as mentally/emotionally mature as he should be for his age. I think you vastly oversimplify and dehumanise women (eg your 'Fuglies' post). That's not meant as 'concern trolling', I just think it will stifle your ability to have actual meaningful connections and relationships with women in the future, and passing on that type of advice to (let's be honest) already emotionally stunted and damaged men is not a healthy thing to do.

I actually feel that a lot of the 'Endorsed members', including yourself, are perpetually stuck on 'Bilzerian' mode, where your ultimate goal in life is more women/money ad infinitum.

Newsflash Redpillers. There is more to life than those two things, especially the former. Get enough notches on your belt and you'll realise that another notch won't make you happy. I would just like to see more discussion and thought of what happens after the 'Bilzerian' stage and how we go about reaching true fulfillment and happiness, rather than yet another tedious "lift and be alpha and you'll score X number of chicks (like me)" type submission.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

First, I'm not "humblebragging" because I'm not humble.

Second, I use examples from my own life because I believe in "If you can see it, you can be it", and also because if you just talk about theory a lot of guys claim that "that doesn't work in the real world"

Third, the remainder of your post wanders off in to ad hominem attacks, which I don’t need to bother with, other than to say that you are clearly struggling with the concept of “satire” and also that you need not worry about my ability to have meaningful relationships with women. You certainly whiffed, badly, on the underlying message of that post.

That's not meant as 'concern trolling'

Which means it's meant as concern trolling...which is what immediately follows, as well.

For the benefit of the men here that you describe as "already emotionally stunted and damaged men", I neither recommend the "Bilzerian" lifestyle, nor do I live it myself, although if that's what's right for him and others like him, then that's their business. What I do recommend--and live--is a life of personal freedom, which includes mutually-satisfying relationships with multiple women. Evidently, you view that as some sort of hate crime.

I would just like to see more discussion and thought of what happens after the 'Bilzerian' stage and how we go about reaching true fulfillment and happiness

So WRITE one.

Also, what do you think you just read? I started off with life being about the journey and followed up with "If you don’t have your health, you don’t have SHIT." Do I have to chew it up for you and drool it into your mouth?

Beyond that, if you find my posts so distressing, I would suggest that you skip over them. Really, it's that simple.

[–]ShortyThrowaway87 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Point 1; Great, good for you. Although again it is kind of indicative of a lack of maturity IMHO. Who are you trying to impress? For what purpose?

RE point 3; How it it ad hominem when you're using yourself as an example of how to be successful? You are the subject matter. Props for using Latin to try to make your posts sound a little sharper, but I guarantee you, none of what I said is ad hominem. Satire? It isn't particularly witty.

RE point 2; That's all well and good but you say nothing specific and offer very little actual advice to guys. the TL;DR of your post is literally 'lift weights, be successful and alpha, and you can bang hot younger women LIKE I DO.' Well no shit.

And the fact that you misinterpret what I said as concern trolling just says it all really. I'm just telling you, from one intelligent, experienced and insightful man to another (as you claim) what it sounds like. Like I said, some of your stuff (not this post) is good for the very new guys looking to get their notch count up, but for the slightly older, more experienced members (like myself), there's really nothing there and it does just come across as tedious bragging. Why not take what I say on board? I'm not a 'hater' or a frustrated beta....my notch count is well into triple figures. Would you rather everyone was just an obsequious fanboy?

This is more like it: "For the benefit of the men here that you describe as "already emotionally stunted and damaged men", I neither recommend the "Bilzerian" lifestyle, nor do I live it myself, although if that's what's right for him and others like him, then that's their business. What I do recommend--and live--is a life of personal freedom, which includes mutually-satisfying relationships with multiple women."

But it doesn't come across that way in this post or your others that I've read. And I haven't written anything on fulfilment because I'm not there yet, but I'm certainly past the 'bitches and money' stage. I'm just recommending that you get over yourself and get over the fact that you can 'slide your 49 year old cock into 21 year olds' (cringe) and improve your writing and the insight you bring, so that it's in keeping with your years.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Look, if you don't like my stuff, don't read it. If you don't like me, well, I guess I'll have to live with myself....

[–]ShortyThrowaway87 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Eh - weak. It's not a case of not liking it, I'm pretty indifferent tbh. I'm just trying to improve the overall offerings to the young, malleable minds that populate this forum. You're old enough to have real insight and experience but you seem more content with stoking your own ego. Whatever - I know a charlatan when I see one. Hopefully the younger guys on here will see the bragging and content-light posts for what they are and seek something with a little more meaning.

[–]sassypaella 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is quite the long post for someone who doesn't give a fuck.

[–]do_it_or_leave 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I see it more as 'if I did, you can do it too'. His bragging isn't the focus of the post, what is wrong?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see it more as 'if I did, you can do it too'.


If you write stuff only as theory around here, a lot of guys will say it doesn't work IRL. So I use examples.

[–]corsega 2 points3 points  (12 children)

WHEN you are in shape, WHEN you are successful, WHEN you have made yourself excellent in one or more ways, THEN the pussy will flow.

Unless you don't have an aesthetic face. Because I've done most of those things. And the pussy ain't flowing.

Female hypergamy is out of control. You can be ripped. You can be successful. You can be confident, witty, and intelligent.

But if you're not a male model, they won't fuck you.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Lower your expectations.

Who won't fuck you? Maybe you should change your target too.

"They" will fuck you. But you and I are referring to 2 different people.

For more clarification; I am referring to 6-7.5 or 8s, and you to 11s.

They WILL fuck you. Just choose the ones who want.

[–]corsega 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Some girls will fuck you, yes. I'm not interested in fucking 5s and 6s. It just doesn't satisfy me. I had sex with 20+ girls last year, but honestly they were all 5s and 6s.

I want to set my sights higher, but the real red pill is finding out there's only so high you can go without the face.

[–]AttackOnKvothe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money == The solution to all your problems :)

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Low bodyfat and find a way to show it off (not Tinder). They won't even look at your face.

[–]corsega 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not true. I do daygame, Tinder, everything. The results are the same. I've asked girls who I've gone out with before. The first thing they look at is the face, every time.

I'm a competitive athlete and I'm between 10-12% bodyfat. Have an Instagram with 4000+ followers. Girls don't reach out to me, I don't get approached like normal or attractive guys do.

All a low bodyfat does is attract fat girls.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you are a dork. Find ways tin quit being a dork.

[–]throwawaysarenotok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Focus on the things you can control. You can't change your face, but you CAN become wealthier. You can't change your height, but you CAN become more ripped. You CAN improve your personality, develop skills, and improve your status if you put in the time and effort.

[–]itsvoogle 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I dunno man, ive seen some ugly ass mother fuckers with some 10/10 girls. Somethings going on lol

[–]franz1980 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't entirely true. Let's just say that if you are not a model, you have to have some "redeeming value": rich or "charming" or "flavor of the day" or they need to be wearing beer goggles; and this shit only lasts so long.

[–]do_it_or_leave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude my face is bad, it hurts people when they look at me. Got approached several times in night clubs after some gym progress(lost 20lbs). Get hot enough to give tingles and your face will not be a problem, feelz>reelz

[–]deama15 points points [recovered]

[–]jonivaio -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I have experimented with fasting. And no matter what approach I chose (Intermittent Fasting, 24h water fasting), I have always managed to derive a fascinating benefit and well being from it.

Mental clarity, skin health, physical well being. These are the things I enjoyed the most.

Back when I first started to educate myself on this subject (reading books, watching documentaries and science reports) I stumbled upon a theory that I really liked. The theory is this: when you are in a fasting state and your body starts to do "it's magic" aka "cleaning" then besides burning fat and doing a lot of good hormonal maintenance and stuff, it also looks for dead cells/molecules that you no longer use and refurbishes them. And the good thing about that is that it opens space for new replacement cells/molecules to regenerate as a healthy replacement. I think it might be one of the ways why/how fasting improves longevity.

[–]deama15 points points [recovered]

Yeah, I recently disconvered this; I'm really impressed at this.

How old were you when you started fasting? Are you still fasting? If so, for how long?

[–]jonivaio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Early 30s. I do Intermittent Fasting on a regular basis, semi-strictly. For maybe 2-3 years? Since I discovered it. I don't have a weight problems, therefore fasting is not something I strive for.

I just don't like eating breakfast. And I enjoy going to gym on empty stomach after a couple hours of waking up and one black coffee.

All I have to check is late evening unnecessary snack or meal. Why awaken you digestive system before sleep?

[–]ArkAngelEV 0 points1 point  (13 children)

If it helps the conversation; there was one social media meet that burns me to this day.

I had drinks with a HB8 nurse, one in which we txted/sexted for a week prior to meeting. She was sending full on video clips of herself all spread out, with all sorts of toys, cumming on vid saying my name. We finally meet up and hangout for about an hour. She lets out that she regularly fucks an out of shape, married 50+ y.o. district attorney.

Made no sense because her body and smarts was banging. Hearing that, I thought I had it in the bag. Holy shit was I wrong, she wasn't even down to makeout or even kiss. Nothing. Pushed aside my kino and all...

That total rejection is etched in my mind as the most WTF moments of "dating". To this day, I still cry myself to sleep on how I could've failed so badly.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Made no sense because her body and smarts was banging.

Yep. So what ages were you and she at the time? I'm guessing you were both young and close in age. Because I think I have it sussed.

There are 3 types of young women. The first type wants a man who is no older than her age +4 years. Older than that is "creepy". The second type wants what the first type wants, but is also "open" to the idea of an older man. The third type actively prefers and older man. They can't really be open about it, because the first group shames them for it. But it's maybe 20-25% of girls. It is also, incidentally, "Home" for me.

As you get older, you will lean to pick them out. Then tend to be introverted, they tend to be submissive, and they want a "Daddy"...rules, structure and ritual. For them, the idea of an older guy is "super hot". As an older guy, you have to learn the difference between the second group and the 3rd group. The 3rd group will show a bit more interest, laugh at your jokes a bit longer, hold an IOI a bit longer, smile a bit longer, etc.

So it could simply be that you were the wrong guy for her, because you weren't ten years old. And quite possibly that DA had mad game, who know?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I honestly never realized that older guys could pull until I got older.

In my opinion girls that are in the early 20s just don't let this on to guys.

You would probably agree

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Had a smokeshow half my age on my arm for 4.5 years. Couldn't believe it was happening, at first. But it happened, it was real, and it was fucking awesome. As u/VasiliyZaitzev repeats, it's up to us to find them, they don't advertise, and I'm on the hunt. Women our age are all kinds of annoying.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Women our age are all kinds of annoying.

As I am fond of saying, "As you age, stay away from things that age you, like cigs, too much booze and especially women your own age."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Men age like wine, women age like......watch out for that wall!.....SPLAT

I still don't know how to do the cool splats.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The Wall ^ SPLAT!

Take out the spaces on either side of the ^

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would probably agree

Well, as I said, there's a subgroup of young women that prefer older men. It's the job of the older man to identify them, and, well, slay. Metaphorically-speaking, of course.

[–]ArkAngelEV 0 points1 point  (4 children)

At that time she was 29, I was 34...

I get what you're saying, for what it's worth nothing about her was introverted. Def extroverted and opionionated. Maybe slightly submissive, in bed only. Didn't pick up on any overall hot daddy leanings.

Even after years this one hurts. Didn't sound like he was such hot stuff, either professionally or in bed. I've had some epic fails that makes me think I fuck up good chances too often

[–]Lsegundo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Stop seeking validation from that one woman.. or any woman. Jordan missed something like 9,000 shots. Nobody scores every time.

Not fucking her may have actually been a good thing. Perhaps you avoided getting at STD. I am learning that you control how you percieve life events. You can put a positive spin on things or turn them into an anchor that drowns you.

[–]ArkAngelEV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL i get the sentiment. I just wanted my cock in that hot piece of ass.

Putting that aside, there's nothing wrong with alittle reflection. If something seems to be coming up more times than statisically should be happening, means there's something that needs to be addressed.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can't beat yourself up over this. Sometimes, the other guy gets there first and it is how it is.

[–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This just isn't true judging your success with women as a way to value yourself is the highest form of stupidity.

Like most betas I was in the top of my career , 100k salary , house , in shape and 20 years old but couldn't get a kiss

After that I learned game and quit my job I just do freelance , it's a lot less money but I'm more happier now than ever and getting women is easy

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That first sentence seems garbled, but anyway, I'm operating under the assumption that anyone reading my stuff at TRP is at least "game aware".

Put another way, if I don't tell you, before you leave the house, "Hey, be sure you don't step on your own dick today", and then you step on your own dick, that's not exactly my fault.

[–]dragonofthesouth1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This post is correct but I don't necessarily like it. There are tons of young men in TRP trying to deprogram the beta bullshit and get laid and start taking control of their lives. The idea that they have to go through some gestation period of becoming the most badass person of themselves to get women may keep them from nutting up and talking to women and trying game and getting rejected and fucking hoes. If they want to seize control of their lives why can't they get women along the way to being badass? Lagging indicator sure, but I say that pulling down some lays is a GREAT way for a new TRP convert to realize they have the strength and power to make their dreams happen.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If they want to seize control of their lives why can't they get women along the way to being badass?

Nothing says you can't, but typically guys find More and Better selection, as it were, when they are further along, more developed and more confident.

And when you are older and can see the Matrix? Then it's easy.

[–]dragonofthesouth1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. I'm just speaking from my own personal experience. Now I may be unique because I am driven, but the reality of what TRP offers didn't set in, the pill didn't really digest so to speak, until I threw myself into the fire with women. I just am concerned by so many men on here I see that are lifting, crushing their work, etc. But are still scared to death of women. It doesn't have to be that way. We all know that physical perfection, or any kind of perfection, is not necessary to get out and start pulling 6,7,8s.

[–]NormedVectorSpace 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Post number 999999 that makes this point.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I missed the part where (a) the title was unclear and (b) you were somehow compelled to read the thread.

New guys come to TRP all the time. This is a good lesson for them to learn. If it's one that you're not interested in, you are free to browse other threads.

[–]MysticalQuack -1 points0 points  (5 children)

This dudes fucking spelling is terrible.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

You may want to check your punctuation and where you used "fucking" as a modifier.

[–]kilowhiskey2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]MysticalQuack -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Maybe you should "LURN" to interpret the English language to the point where you can comprehend "fucking" as a modifier.

Even little shit stick teenagers understand it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I do understand it, which is is how I could so easily point out your misuse of it. But anyway, I will let you get back to the butthurt you are so invested in. /shrug

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My cousin's boss, in the Pacific Northwest, is annoyed by him hinting at legal action against foes.....so has taken to saying "We'll have our experts with words work it out with your experts with words, and then we'll know where we all stand."