Red Pill TheoryIf you bang 1 or 2 new girls a year, you're in the top 10% (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Contributordr_warlock

Starting from 16yrs old up to 40, thats 26-52 girls. Dont believe those bullshit articles how "millenials are getting laid left an right, handing out blowjobs like it's a greeting." It's true only for women and a minority of guys. 26-52 girls is much more than most guys get in a life time, even good looking ones. We're not talking about whether or not it's brag worthy. We're just talking about statistics. Isnt that shocking? 12 months, 52 years, 365 days of trying, but only one girl, if that. It's crazy. I pulled the "top 10%" figure from my ass, but I believe my point was made.

So next time you feel down because you think everybody's getting ass but you, think again. It's an illusion from all the sexualized media and advertisements that spam you on a regular basis. It's a narrative made by guys who exaggerate or lie about their conquests. The reality of the SMP doesnt make for a good story.

Sidenote : Anything below a 6 doesnt count.

Edit: You vs. western man not you vs. social circle. Many of us are detached from other segments of the population.

edit 2: Most of those guys you see at parties, bars and clubs having a good time and talking to women, they arent getting action either. They may have flirted and had a lot of facetime, but that's it.

Highschoolers, college students: most guys you see in big groups with women, they arent getting much action either. They're having fun, they sit next to the women a lot, they talk a lot, but once again, they arent smashing, at least nothing impressive. A few of them do in each group, but most dont.

[–]MarauderFH 223 points224 points  (76 children)

Lifetime numbers average around ten. So even this value is high. It's shocking for us but go to the dmv and look around at average people.

[–][deleted] 138 points139 points  (10 children)

Yeah. It's a real eye opener to get outside your social bubble and look at the real average man. In the UK one could go to a football match or Asda to see this sort of thing. So many fat, disgusting slobs. If you are reasonably symmetrical, in shape, groom, dress well and lift, you are easily in the top half of all men. Add some game and you'll be turning down women before you know it.

[–]nabosch 50 points51 points  (8 children)

Its pretty disgusting actually. I work at a major ballpark for side cash in the summer, you don't really notice it at first because it seems to have become the norm but take a second to look around at the people at its pathetic. Of 30 given people that walk past my stand in a given time period probably only around 6 of them could run 1 mile without stopping. The 30 year old fathers who are fat as fuck depriving their sons of everything a father should be, someone to look up to, probably can barely even play catch with them when they want to. Then again half the kids are obese as well, sad.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (7 children)

At a muscular 215 with some padding I feel like I should be a 4 (no abs, have to shave my head), but everyone else is so fucked up I'm forced ranked to 7; girls can tell I've got arms and traps

[–]ImHydeRightNow 12 points13 points  (3 children)

As a lean cut 165 pound guy who has a six pack...I think more girls prefer that big bulky look of strong man, even if it comes with a little extra padding. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, and I love being able to run sub-7 mile and I like the reaction when I take my shirt off, so I wouldn't trade it, but keep your head up dude. Ladies want a man who can dominate, and at 215 and strong, you'll do the job.

[–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Currently cutting. In December I was 220 and had just finished a cycle. Currently 197 as of right now. Plan to get to 180 and evaluate from there.

I get more attention now than at 220. Even if my strength is way down, I look much better.

There is a happy medium. Aim for that.

[–]1ozaku7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Now consider that the majority of the statistics comes from these fat blobs that fuck each other like some brainless animals without any standards. I don't mind having less sex than they have honestly.

[–]-tacoTime- 19 points20 points  (3 children)

"Average people"


Next time you're in public, count how many men you pass who're in direct breeding competition with you... its shockingly few. If you're halfway in shape and decent looking you are FAR above the average joe.

[–]willowhawk 38 points39 points  (39 children)

I don't belive that statistic. Any source?

[–]asktrpthrow123 53 points54 points  (35 children)


Notice the percent of guys that have more than 15 in a lifetime. Perfect example of the 80/20 rule.

[–]_ohnoes_ 30 points31 points  (13 children)

the results seem really low, especially for women...

[–]FrgElder points points [recovered]

Even when completely anonymous women will under report their N-count. The reason being is that they must lie to themselves, because their N-count is tied to their value and they know it.

They honestly don't believe they've slept with 30+ guys, because they'll make up any number of reasons for why 90% of their encounters "don't count".

Or if they acknowledge their number honestly they'll manipulate statistics to justify them not being a slut. I had a friend tell me she's slept with over 50 guys but isn't a slut because she "has only had sex with one guy in the last 6 months". All I could do is grin, chuckle, and shake my head.

Let women believe in their fantasy that they're a good natured princess. Feed the hamster, use it to your advantage, rather than remain angry about it.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

we didnt have sex omg! he just put his dick into me and i rode him like a banshee thatsn ot sex! it only happened once too so whatever.

[–]hobohunter24 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Your girl-speak is excellent. Applause.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Its the sad truth of listening to this babble first hand.

Getting mad at a girl for lying and using trickle truths would be akin to getting mad at your dog for eating the steak you left out on the counter.

Some species can't fight nature.

[–]asktrpthrow123 40 points41 points  (3 children)

I agree. I'd bet anything that the women from these studies are under-reporting their numbers (even if it was anonymous). The men are probably closer to reality but I'd bet they're over-reporting their numbers.

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 43 points44 points  (1 child)

The number of sexual partners a woman reported nearly doubled when women thought they were hooked up to a lie detector machine.


[–]x0diego0x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha, yea I saw that too.

[–]MillennialDeadbeat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The women are obviously underreporting.

Still it just proves the 80/20 rule. Women are getting fucked in mass amounts by a small percentage of men.

[–]glawkneintehn 12 points13 points  (7 children)

I don't believe a single one of these statistics holy fuck how much do people lie???

[–]anon1moos 3 points4 points  (6 children)

are you saying you think the guys inflated their numbers?

[–]coulombsvector 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Perfect example of the 80/20 rule

Can you clarify this rule? I came across a very complicated wikipedia article and I have to go to class soon. I was wondering if you can explain what this rule means related to this sub.

[–]asktrpthrow123 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Basically 20% of guys are fucking 80% of women.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is how the rule relates to the SMP, but can be seen else where is our society. 80% of global wealth is in the hands of 20% of people for instance.

[–]TheAC997 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The fact that it adds up to 100 is just a coincidence. It's saying that 80% of the time a guy has sex, it's a guy in the top 20%. Or maybe 90% of the time, it's a guy in the top 30%.

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[–]Ragnarrrrr points points [recovered]

Is that thing worth reading?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Relative to the whole average doesnt matter. Hypergamy resets for every new context the girl enters.

[–]VTMSCHVSVCTRY points points [recovered]

Red Pill, motherfucker. Tearing down your hopes and dreams one obscure comment at a time.

[–]dRePe_Thill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's better to know and understand it then to remain in the matrix, albeit Cypher would disagree with me.

[–]whuttupfoo 20 points21 points  (1 child)

That number may sound high but if you think about it it's not. There are more ugly people than there are good looking people. Ugly people rarely fuck the good looking and vice versa. It's easier for ugly fucks to fuck other ugly fucks because they have a much larger pool to choose from.

[–]2awalt_cupcake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ugly people fuck a lot, they're breeding

[–]ArkAngelEV 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ten total for life?! No that can't be right, I feel like a straight up loser, and was a late bloomer and it's much more than that. So should we all STFU because many starving pakistani dudez die virgins?

Do you know what average numbers are for the western world

[–]MillennialDeadbeat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Understand that the VAST MAJORITY of western men do NOT have access to sex unless they're in a relationship.

Think about that.


When you realize this the numbers make more sense.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Better yet, go to a job fair. You'll see people dressed their best, yet by and large ugly as shit. I guess attractive people don't need to look for jobs

[–]grass_cutter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lifetime numbers are misleading though.

I know some put-together dudes that found a hot piece in college and married her. They probably have very low lifetime numbers, especially if they only really got their shit together in college.

[–]RICCIedm 77 points78 points  (18 children)

Rating a 6 is sometimes tricky.

Let me give you an example : I live in Brazil. I dwell in a nice area and rarely deal with poor people. In Tinder, I just uglies to the left.

But now I've started driving for Uber. NOW I see how many fucking bad looking people there are in the world.

Lesson : the 6/10 in your social group is not really a 6/10. It is probably higher.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 30 points31 points  (4 children)

I don't think the x/10 rating system is meant to be evenly distributed. For every 10/10, there are probably dozens of 6/10s. It is a metric for beauty, not competition of beauty. If someone is unbangable, it is a 3/10 or lower, regardless of what the average is.

[–]BestSC86 73 points74 points  (1 child)

The x/10 is bullshit around here anyway because every fucking girl is a HB8....bhahahahhahahhaahaha

Like most of the Casanova-level game proclaimed in the field reports it is a fabricated fiction. HB8 is safe. People won't ask for details or pictures like they would if the Op claimed that he was ignoringabusing a HB10 who then chased him around the club begging to be taken home or fucked in the urinals. And on the other hand, if they told the truth about the girl being a sloppy HB3 then who would give a shit that you did that shit.

So every girl on here is always an HB8.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They should be reporting z scores.

[–]The_rectumwrecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unbangable is a 5/10. It's the very definition of being middle of the road.

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered]

The rating system is highly subjective anyway.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (10 children)

I don't get how people are so subjective with this x/10 rating. To me, a 10 is one of those IG mega hotties provided they do exist :) A 9 is a flawless face, lifts, lives a good life. 8s might have some minor flaws (skin, nose, not really relevant) but then again, in shape, classy, good energy etc. 7 you start dealing with skinnyfats or skinnies, but still pretty.

It would hurt a bunch of egos if people had to recognize they bang the easy 3s-6s on a good day. I've had sex with ~65 girls at 28yo, I'd be happy if I had the whole list in front of me and the average were above 5.

Lastly, a friend of mine just told me this morning "I only do 8+". He keeps showing me basic girls with average face and bodies. Ok they aren't obese. No that doesnt make a girl an 8.

[–]blackberrydoughnuts 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Some guys like really skinny girls; other guys like more curves. And preferences in facial features are incredibly variable. I don't find Asian facial features attractive in general; a lot of guys do. Some guys like rounder faces vs. wider vs. narrower. If you showed me 5 faces that met your ideal of perfection, I'd probably think at least a couple of them didn't grab me, and vice versa.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm not talking about fucking my ideal girls. I'd love to, but unless you're a .01% it just doesn't happen. When I'm saying flawless, I'm fully aware that it might mean something different to you. My point is, people fuck plenty of trolls and basic bitches at best, and try to sell them as some 5/6/8+


[–]blackberrydoughnuts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm fully aware that most of my partners would be judged as a really low number - I just don't really care, especially if they're cool people. Pussy is just so good no matter whose it is.

[–]NihilistMonkey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

10's don't really exist. 10's are 9's that also have that unique thing going for them that gets you going. And if I had to guess about your friend, I'd say maybe he just doesn't get out too much? It's easy to mistake a 6 for an 8 when all you hang around are 3's and 4's.

[–]linsanityy points points [recovered]

You're citing a skewed distribution. Most people slow down after they get a LTR. If you want an accurate comparison you should look @ average n count per year single/available. Don't validate through comparison to the mainstream. Improve.

[–]bowie747 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Also the older the male, the more years they are likely to have been married and have less partners.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 20 points21 points  (29 children)

I agree. I rarely see anyone make out when I am going out, I hear guys talk about it but I just rarely see them pull a girl.. however some times both parties like to be discreet so you can't know for sure. with regards to quality I seem to get a ton of 6es but almost no 7-8-9. (maybe 1 a year). Can't imagine how much social proof, looks, charm and money you would need to have to pull 7-10 consistently. Also pulling that many girls you need to get yourself another hobby in my opinion. it takes some effort every time, even though she might be one initiating.

But what you pull seem to go up exponentially, when I was a bit chubby but still the same person I got 0 action. Now I get more action than I can handle (I know it seems like brag, but my point is just your appearance seems to be almost as huge for girls as for guys when it comes to 1 night stands).

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 16 points17 points  (22 children)

Competition is fierce for 7+.

[–]abdada 11 points12 points  (14 children)

Yep, and if you THINK your girl is a 7+ and she's not getting asked for her number a few times a week, she's not a 7+.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 21 points22 points  (11 children)

Seven means she's pretty without makeup.

[–]abdada 19 points20 points  (10 children)

Dad and grandpops told me both the same thing: do not love a woman until you've taken her in the ocean or a swimming pool.

My second or third dates always revolve around the beach or a pool. Always. The fancy hotel near my home in Chicagoland gives me $15 passes for their huge indoor pool and hot tub and lets me bring a guest no charge. No reason not to do the pool test with a new possible plate.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Most girls wont even get their hair wet unless they're from a beach area.

And also beware of girls that look decent in jeans. They can cover up a lot on their leg and ass figure defects. I remember what I thought was a 6 throwing herself at me with literally no effort and was recently on a 3 day no fap. The next day she was enthusiastic to bang but arrived in shorts and woah, that wake up call. I said I had a work appointment and left.

Also there's what I call 'wonder ass'. It's the opposite of wonder tits. "How did I not notice this nice ass before?"

[–]chadjugo 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Holy fuck. This is actually a great metric for determining a 7+.

[–]abdada 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My plate turned LTR went from a 6 when we met to a 7 thanks to hitting the gym. Now that she squats 2X her bodyweight, it's possible she's a 7.5 based on how many Chads approach her when we're together on the beach.

I also look like her father (seriously) so it's funny to see their faces when she sits on my lap and strokes my beard or body, lol.

[–]grass_cutter 8 points9 points  (6 children)

It's actually not linear.

Hitting on girls is the highest at the 6-7-8 level.

Once you get to 9 or 10, guys get intimidated, or have very low confidence, or think they need some kind of 'big show magic trick' - and they rarely get hit on. It's true.

I'm talking like 'hottest girl in the club' - not just a big-titted college girl who gets you sprung.

I can usually easily dance with these girls at clubs (9s, 10s, hottest girls) - just because they're bored and rarely get hit on. No, I don't pull them home, haven't figured that one out yet. But they do bounce on my dick for a while at the club, meh.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Best chances of banging 9s (I don't believe in "10s") are girls on vacation, or social circle.

A girl with that much SMV and sexual power isn't likely to be trolling for dick at night IMO. She's more likely to be at the club collecting free drinks, taking pics for social media, then going home and hooking up with the guy she's currently dating or planning her next vacation/party trip with her girlfriends where she can fuck anonymous/mysterious dick and come home and no one knows about it.

I banged a 9 a few month ago who was on vacation. 18 yr old white girl from the east coast. I met her past midnight and fucked her literally hours before her flight back across the country. Total luck to be honest. My neighbor's buddy met her friend at the bar, invited her friend over, she was just along for the ride, 4 guys, 2 girls, she happened to dig me the most, the other guys had weaker game and got too drunk, and I quietly took her upstairs to my place and fucked her. It was basically a combination of luck, circumstances. and literally PERFECT LOGISTICS.

Best chance is to get a chick on vacation or through social circle.

Either that or you're a guy who is an 8 or above in looks. But if that's the case you don't need advice and probably don't need this subreddit.

[–]grass_cutter 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm sad to say I haven't banged many 9s and probably never a 10. Or ... well, it's a subjective scale anyway, right?

I guess the idea is whether a chick looks like a model and everyone wants to bang her, generally.

I'm not hyper-focused on "the models" right now -- frankly if I can get regular sex from an 8ish girl each month I'd be quite satisfied.

That said, my best opportunities came from when I was a prominent actor on stage at my university. God damn that was being a pussy magnet, girls seeing you on stage in a major production (still college-level, but $10k productions, not an improv troupe bullshit thing).

I'd consider myself a 7-7.5 on looks alone. I have many other things going for me in person, including massive balls, but my point is .... I was never the hottest guy in the room. For a guy like me to bang a 9 or a 10, the stars need to align or I need an "angle."

Back in college, the spotlight on stage was my "angle" - almost like being in a regionally famous band, though probably not quite.

... damn I need to find a new "angle" in life, if I can focus on shit other than my career.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A 7 in your bed is worth more than a 9 in your head.

If you're consistently banging new attractive women, through luck/numbers you'll bang a 9 (10s don't exist) eventually IMO.

I literally fucked a fat chick like 2 weeks before I banged that 9. Such is life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

with regards to quality I seem to get a ton of 6es but almost no 7-8-9. (maybe 1 a year).

yeah I'm the same

Can't imagine how much social proof, looks, charm and money you would need to have to pull 7-10 consistently.

figured out you need it all because (thanks to dating apps) the really good competition looks down on those 7+ the same way you'd look down on the 5-6 when you need a quick bang. Improve hard, for minimal returns regarding girls, but appreciate the incremental progress.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You are most likely right mate. but to pull 7-10s easily here in Scandinavia easily you need to not only drive a porche. you also need to look amazing and have social proof. You need to be a 1%er I think. 7 on our scale I think however is prolly higher than in the states. American people coming to Sweeden / Norway / Denmark always seem to be impressed by the average looks.

But yeah there will always be a guy with more money, looking better etc. as long as you are in the 5-20% you should be getting something regularly if you want to. Even still I think the amount of work you still have to put into these dull girls makes everything but spontenous 1 night stands not worth it in my book.

[–]1atticusfinch1973 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Everyone remember that for all of us here who have had dozens of partners, there are 3 guys who have sex with 3-5 women, marry one and have crappy sex lives for 30 years. They might bang a couple of hookers in the meantime.

Thinking about my male friends and clients I can tell you that out of probably 50 guys I've had more sex than 90% of them just this year alone. I have more sex during some weeks than I did in the last three years of my marriage.

Most of them are married and I hear about their horrible sex lives constantly with their wives. Some of them cheat but again, it's with one partner for a period of time, not multiples.

I have one client who is still a virgin at 35 and seems to be totally uninterested in women.

[–]whuttupfoo 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Damn I don't get how some people can live like that. You really know nothing about the world if your count is less than 5 partners. That's like eating 5 dishes for the rest of your life. Imagine playing the same 5 video games from the NES era until now. No one wins the lottery in 5 tries, you just settled with the losing numbers.

[–]theONE843663 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I could do the same 5 NES games but not the same 5 bitches lol.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is astounding, but only if as you say, you are one of the few who consistently seduces new women. I speak from experience. Most wouldn't believe me for a moment if I bragged about count numbers. Those who live a similar life would believe me because they know.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

When I was in my early twenties, I was feeling pretty bummed out about my number mainly because of the hollywood effect. It was literally my main concern back then. Not my career, not my personal growth. Now I'm 27 and my n count is over 30 and I can't start to describe how stupid I was for being anxious about it. So to all young guys here, it's not important whether you are the most popular kid in the block and you banged every girl around. Just be redpill aware, educate yourselves and if you aren't a freak, you'll definitely have your day.

[–]TheRedStoic 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Eh. Maybe.

Most of the men I know who live rather red add/drop a plate a month. That's not at all unreasonable. Some just do ons every week to fortnight.

Maybe top 20%? If you're Social and not fat you can easily bag a new one a month just by asking constantly.

[–]Mon_k 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Maybe top 20%? If you're Social and not fat you can easily bag a new one a month just by asking constantly.

I see you don't live in the Midwest...

[–]ImHydeRightNow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or the south. Fuck obesity. Like seriously, I'm so sick of fat chicks. I want to go to a third world country just so I don't have to fucking deal with them anymore.

[–]TheRedStoic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's correct. I live in an East coast city, in one of the upper class districts.

I suppose my sample bias was showing. True enough man.

[–]Fox_Red 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Banged 3 girls last weekend. Met my quota already, time to watch twitch TV and play league of legends for the rest of the year. Oh yeah fuck this gym membership and fuck all your guys! /s

[–]Gigantor13224 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Ok all this tally shit is stupid. Last I checked having good sex that gets you off is more important than shitty sex with several women. I don't know about you but when I fuck a lady my first thought is not filling out my tally sheet I want to have a good time.

I would rather have awesome sex with 2 women 10 times each than shitty sex with 20 different women. Otherwise what's the point?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I would rather have awesome sex with 2 women 10 times each than shitty sex with 20 different women. Otherwise what's the point?

Same here. It's not the notch count as much as the ability to do so. It's the 'sex-flow', regular sexual activity with women you find attractive. Enough sex to satisfy your desire.

[–]Gigantor13224 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly! what YOU want! What makes you happy, it's not an objective number it's about what you want.

[–]ChadThundercockII 97 points98 points  (46 children)

I can get laid 4 times a month. that's 48 different women a year. How do I do it? Prostitution. I don't really like it but it keeps me sane.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 44 points45 points  (4 children)

Oh no, you won't be able to pair-bond anymore. How will you commit once you find the one?! :(

[–]ChadThundercockII 38 points39 points  (2 children)

I don't have enough money to fuck Sasha Grey.

[–]redartist points points [recovered]

I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick.

[–]ChadThundercockII 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Stolen dicks are the worst method bruh. Try limp ones.

[–]Sephar 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I find spinning plates more fun and satisfying; I manage to make a positive difference in many women's lives and make myself happy at the same time.

[–]heisenberg_21 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I manage to make a positive difference in many women's lives and make myself happy at the same time.

You could say the same thing for escorts too. When you're having sex with an escort you're making a positive impact on her life with the money you're paying. And at the same time, you're making yourself happy. Win-Win.

[–]RICCIedm 61 points62 points  (29 children)

Sure, hire hookers. But don't count them as your numbers...

[–]voomer53 37 points38 points  (6 children)

Sure, hire hookers. But don't count them as your numbers...

I count them as 1/2 a notch, cause hey, it took a lot of effort for me to earn that money...

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I count them as 1/2 a notch, cause hey, it took a lot of effort for me to earn that money...

A hoe counts as 0.6 notch. This is known as The Three-Fifths Compromise.

[–]bensimsjyg 4 points5 points  (2 children)

By my calculations they should only count as .372 of a notch

[–]voomer53 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Only if you go back to the same Hoe for a repeat session...which I have done :( it goes down from there...

[–]atifhere 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Women's love is transactional anyway. Prostitutes are at least honest with you. Women either fuck you for your genes or for your money.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And you want to be fucked for the former if you can manage it. Nothing better than sticking your dick in a bitch who really really wants that dick.

[–]the_real_chronos_ 67 points68 points  (10 children)

Meh, who cares. Whores are a much more sensible option if you have the money and no time to waste.

[–]squiremarcus points points [recovered]

And you dont live in america

[–]ExceptMrsWallace 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Hey now! We got hookers too! Just go to any strip club in the let's just say not so nice part of town. If they have a VIP room, you're good to go.

[–]letsgetrandy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

We have hookers in america too.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Yah, they're usually called honey, or sweetie, or my girlfriend (sadly).

[–]1empatheticapathetic 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Who gives a shit at the end of the day, this guy certainly doesn't.

[–]grass_cutter 6 points7 points  (1 child)

When people count numbers they mean sexual prowess.

Otherwise a girl would be bragging how she fucked 100 dudes in college.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yeah honestly if you need them to be non-prosto to count, then you're really relying on external female validation. That's so beta.

[–]letsgetrandy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Count them as sex partners, but not as ass you pulled.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Who gives a shit at the end of the day, this guy certainly doesn't.

[–]zephyrprime 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Millelials are getting laid less than prior generations actually. Go read the government general social survey if you don't believe me. The reason the recent headline about "sex before dating" came into being is because formal dating is dead for beginning relationships.

Now I hope you all already understand why formal dating is dead for beginning relationships but I'll tell you if you're new or something. Women like to play cat and mouse to determine who is good enough to catch them. If you ask a girl out on a formal date, that's too blatant an expression of interest in the girl and girls practice the old Groucho Marx maxim - "I wouldn't want to be part of any club that would have me as a member". So informal "netflix and chill" is one preferred method of getting anything going with a woman these days.

[–]ChromeJester 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I took my last LTR hiking for our first real date and made her pasta and went on a picnic for the second. I smashed both times. I think most guys are betas that are boring af and don't do anything with their lives so they can't have a conversation. Like u/takethedive pointed out in another thread it's all about projecting yourself and getting her into the frame you want, if you are moderately interesting and do some cool shit then you have a basis of conversation starters and a million places to go. Also as someone in their early 20s I find that most hotter women like a tradition date with a high value male, they feel validated that I'll actually take them to dinner or go somewhere with them vs awkwardly watching a movie and then hooking up. Of course this is my experience and may be different than others'.

[–]slurmfactory 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Feels good smashing lots of attractive women. Im married now tho, RIP one night stands.

[–]ChromeJester 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Best of luck man, you broke the cardinal rule, never get married haha, I'm sure she's worth it

[–]Bradleybeal88 points points [recovered]

There's more to life than raking every slimy vagina you can get your filthy fucking hands on

[–]lnTheRearWithTheGear 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Very true, but simply knowing you can is very liberating.

[–]kasper138 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jeez I've complained about 3 a month before. Perspective is a motherfucker.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 29 points30 points  (57 children)

Sidenote : Anything below a 6 doesnt count

Yes it does. Ugly girls need some good loving too.

[–]spiltnuc 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Just cause they are a 6 in the face doesn't mean their ass and tits cant be a 10. You win some you lose some. Doesn't matter when you are inside of her in my opinion. Sometimes the hottest girls I've banged are the absolute worst in bed

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Absolutely not. You should lose a point for that.

[–]tubarao312 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure he is being sarcastic

[–]Momentum2 points points [recovered]

Average US woman = size 16-18. US-HB5

[–]1empatheticapathetic 70 points71 points  (7 children)

That's a 3 bro. No way that's a 5

[–]Cesare_MA 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I'd say even 3 is generous. I can't imagine a scenario where I'm drunk enough to touch her without being blacked and incapacitated.

[–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm from India, and she's a 7+ to me thanks to all the girls I see roaming around in my area (and probably throughout the country lol), really not kidding. I estimate by your standards, you guys would probably puke looking at the chicks that are currently sitting next to me right now...

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Fapping is always a better alternative to this.

[–]TheRedStoic 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Nupe that's no 5.

2/3. Only way to be worse would be genetic failure or massive body damage/disfiguring.

[–]ArkAngelEV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Read that in obi wan's voice in ANH. THAT'S NO FIVEEEEE, tunr around!

[–]Docbear64 48 points49 points  (6 children)

...that's a 5? I'm doing better than I thought

[–]willowhawk 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Shit son, I'm doing great. No seriously tho,shes not rateable. See her the same way a girl sees a nice guy

[–]redartist points points [recovered]

You see her as someone who's gonna pay your bills and buy you dinners?

[–]willowhawk 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not sure if your joking or actually don't get it? A women doesn't see a nice guy as a sexual object. I don't see that zoo exhibition of a woman as sexual object

[–]Timmytanks40 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah i guess im basically going out with a Victoria Secret Angel in a few minutes by comparison. Like holy shit is that even on the scale? At some point i started coming to rp for the ego trip. Ive never banged a girl less attractive girl than that.

I need somebody to get me stats on threesomes with 2 girls 1 guy because apparently I should have ascended to Valhalla or Mt. Olympus.

Really though this sub might be preaching game and not overall improvement enough.

[–]EatmyShorts59 38 points39 points  (7 children)

NO fucking WAY is that a 5.

Go kill yourself !

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 44 points45 points  (6 children)

I think he's saying 5 = average, and this is the average.


[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ.

If you would bang that you've got problems.

[–]Disciple_of_Libertas 15 points16 points  (3 children)

This made me feel better about the girls I've slept with, but also horrified for the US.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

No way I consider that a 5 in the US. She's below that.

[–]Disciple_of_Libertas 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Given the obesity rate he probably took a total average and then it came up with that picture. So that quite literally is the average haha. On a truly objective 0-10 scale she is maybe a 2 on a good day. Plenty of girls I know are turning into hambeasts with the excessive drinking, a shame really.

[–]Koryphae_ 11 points12 points  (2 children)

This is average US woman really? Wow you guys have it really really bad there...

[–]i_forget_my_userids 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The average size includes everyone post-wall. This is not the average in my dating pool.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hope you're trolling and all the guys don't actually think they're doing better than they thought

Thats a NOPE. A zero.

[–]Hjalmbere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was recently approached about a job opportunity in the US. Thanks for the warning.

[–]letsgetrandy 2 points3 points  (5 children)

"Average" can be a skewed mathematical construct. Consider that there is no size below a 0, but sizes can go up to seemingly infinity.

One 400-lb Jerry Springer guest can drastically move the average.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

No, 75% of America is fat or obese. Fact. Most (american) women are fatties or dolled up 5's. Men then battle for the rest. Competition is fierce, specifically 7+. Most 7+ girls have boyfriends or a horde of dudes surrounding them at all times.

[–]letsgetrandy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

75% of America is fat or obese. Fact.

That may be true, but that does not account for gender.

Most women are fatties or dolled up 5's.

Depends on where you live. In the suburbs, they may even be averaging below 5. But in cities, I think average women are more attractive.

[–]throwaway-aa2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

bro that's disgusting. If that's a 5 then I'm doing pretty good.

[–]H2offroad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow this makes me feel pretty good. I can usually bang 1-2 new girls a month to every 2 months

[–]tolerantman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this! I am tired of seeing men with unrealistic expectations, its not like all dudes are fucking girls like a rockstar, you can't run away from the 20/80 rule, either be at the top or just be like anyone else.

[–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Number seems to be really, really low - and I suspect that is because it takes the whole population of males and averages it out. Yes, this includes the ugglies, but it also includes men serving in the military, men that are in remote locations, and men that are in LTR/marriage situations.

I would be more interested in seeing the average number of lays a man who is single and actively looking for dates. Should be at the very least 1 a month. I hit that ratio, just average looking, and i'm doing it in Toronto, which is doing it on hard mode.

[–]555553211 points points [recovered]

This is very important but not because of the actual statistic, whatever it may be, but because you need to take the imaginary pressure off your shoulders. Read "One Key Step to Not Giving a Fuck" from the sidebar and also existentialism: realize that life has no meaning or no goal, you don't have to really do anything, just enjoy the fact that you were randomly granted a couple of decades of stay in this universe and will be wiped off the face of this earth like every human being before and after you.

Adopting this philosophy has increased my success and overall enjoyment and ease in life tremendously.

[–]blackedoutfast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah most guys really don't fuck a lot of different girls. the distribution just has a really long tail. a few Chads are out there banging a new girl every single week, but they are not typical at all.

most dudes never have ONS or spin plates. they will go on dates and have female friends and occasionally will get into a LTR and have sex. and i'll bet that if you could get an honest answer, there would be a shocking number of adult virgins.

and it's really not that hard to get your SMV high enough to be in that top percentage of guys. go take a look at your competition. most guys are complete garbage. if you look decent, have good social skills, etc to the point where uou can add a couple of notches every year, just approach a lot more girls if you want to bang more of them.

[–]mykonos_rm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice post reminding people of reality. I know guys who go a full year without getting laid- and if they do, chances are she's a sub 6

[–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've seen this firsthand myself. Went out with a bunch of guys, one of them tried to make us believe that he once fucked a girl and her sister in one weekend, and 100+ in his lifetime. He was fit, social, all that, so I give him credit for taking care of himself. But then I saw him talk to some Ukrainian chick in the club that looked more like a modest stripper. He started talking to her and she was clearly playing with him. Then he shows our the texts and starts getting a bit excited about all of it. She lived 50 miles away and was asking him to go there, even asking me if I could drive him. I had to tell him that she was just toying around, and he was biting like a hungry fish.

Nothing happened as far as I've understood, yet he told other friends who weren't with us in the club that he made out with her right then and there. And he was overly obsessed with her for a guy that has fucked 100+ plates in 8 years. It's been 6 months and he hasn't fucked a single plate, must have been really tough on him.

It's amazing how a simple n-count of your peers can make you feel good or bad. If you value yourself according to your n-count compared to others, you should reconsider your priorities. I've seen the biggest nerds saying that they have had like 4 plates, yet they get all nervous around a girl that talks to them. Take the n-count of your peers at face-value. No man will tell everyone they are a virgin because you would be noted as a masculine failure, but it doesn't make you any better if you let your self-image get influenced by the n-count of your peers.

[–]asktrpthrow123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like the 80/20 rule

[–]FrgElder points points [recovered]

When you take everyone into account, the average is a pathetic indicator. Even if you only average males from the 18-35 age group.

Average is disgusting, don't shoot for average, or even top 10%. Try to be the absolute best person you can be given your genetic limitations.

[–]Deplorable_scumbag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I could bang alot of uggos, probably to the tune of 10 a year, I wouldn't consider myself at the top of anything.

[–]epubliusrex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's all it takes? Geez. I feel so privileged to be me. When I lost my virginity at 15, I was part of just 4% of the population. I had sex with three different girls that year. The next year there were two new ones and a repeat of one from year one.

It isn't that hard, for me anyway. Never has been. I mostly just smile at them and make un-PC snarky comments. Women, being snarky, appreciate snarky-ness.

[–]JukeLuke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit if this is true, than it makes me really happy about my count right now. I have fucked a total of 3 girls in my life but all of them have been in the past 3 months (and id say that 2 out of the 3 have been pretty hot. both in top sororities in my school). Thanks a lot man.

[–]SlyAM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post makes me feel much better about myself. I am still indeed a virgin and have only had one serious girlfriend throughout my whole high school career, but the fact that girls approach me, talk to me, and enjoy being in my presences gives me the hope that sometime soon I will shoot my little back men into one of these adolescent bitches and from their on out start getting it more than I ever thought I could.

Still, I have lots of improvements to make and a long way to go, but I'm getting there and I know sometime soon I'll finally get my dick wet. Lifting, finding TRP, and learning how to deal with women and how to game them in this modern era we live in has helped me a whole lot so I can't see anything but success coming my way as long as I keep trying and improving!

Good post OP, stay red!

[–]abbafishhead 5 points6 points  (26 children)

What about those of us who bang 1-3 new girls per week?

[–]Atuli 26 points27 points  (11 children)

I've been doing these figures for a while now and it has its ups and downs. I think I've developed a genuine sex addiction and basically can't relate to most normal dudes. I sort of just force myself to sit there and make conversation with people I have to work with etc.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Those were my numbers off and on, for years too. They've slowed way down now (I'm in my 50's) and it's a blessing. I'm now looking for connection and companionship along with sexiness and willingness to be my slutty puppy. Guess I've finally hit the wall..lol.

[–]Heathcliff-- points points [recovered]

I know this feel. I genuinely can't get enough of the college girls I'm surrounded by, and it's got to the point now where it's unhealthy and meaningless/taking up too much of my time.

But everytime I try to abstain I get that itch and need to chase a girl. The conquering rush is just so powerful, it's like a drug.

I need to ween myself off but I don't know how.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Set yourself a goal of balance, or competition of goals. For every real step towards a career/financial goal you get to go seduce a slurpie. Win/win/win.

[–]mkovic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You aren't going to have an easy time without just removing yourself from the environment. You can't expect an addict to surround himself with his fix and be able to fight it.

[–]Jigsus 24 points25 points  (4 children)

It's not sustainable. You get burned out pretty quickly and after a few years you just don't want to do it anymore

[–]TheBigO420 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I feel like this doesn't get enough attention here. I had a hot streak a few years ago where I was juggling and switching out a stable of 5-6 girls for about 6 months. It was fun, but that shit gets old after a while.

[–]Mangoinhand points points [recovered]

I keep it sustainable: only 2 FB's and 2 MLTRs and replace them as needed.

It does not burn me out since:

  • FB's are only once every 2-3 weeks (more if MLTR gives me drama... then I go fuck my fav FB with a simple text "I'm coming over in 30)

  • MLTRs are at most once a week

  • Girls bring me food, baked goods and make dinner for me (man needs nourishment)

  • NO texts initiated by me EVER for the sake of it. Just respond if they do. Only initiate to set up next date with MLTRs

Rest of my time is spent on my mission in life and business and lifting.

If you have poor time management skills or not good with organization then yes... it will burn you out.

[–]kasper138 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd say it can be sustainable, it just gets old. Sometimes wanting is better than having.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Good stats. What's your niche?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

when you're done with it, good luck finding interest in dating. You'll only be able to pray for some unicorn. In the meantime obv, focus on improving yourself.

source - am completely disgusted with the whole game and dating scene, after overdoing it.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How did you get to that point?

[–]BullshittingNonsense 1 point2 points  (10 children)

The average is something like 7

[–]sassypaella 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Men get seven female sexual partners every year on average? Source on that?

[–]Shiva-Lingam 5 points6 points  (8 children)

7 in their lifetime, not per year - although it seems to be slightly higher now at about 10-11.

[–]Sumsar01 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Actually the number havent changed the last 50 years. I remember hearing about this from some sexologist. She wanted us to Guess how loss og verginity and partner count had changed. Everyone though the youth where way more sexual. It wasnt.

[–]Shiva-Lingam 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They might both be more sexual and have the average remain the same because only the top percentage of young men will benefit while leaving the vast majority with fewer partners.

[–]cammobus 0 points1 point  (4 children)

In a Lifetime, damn that seems low ...

[–]BullshittingNonsense 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Millennials are thought to be the hookup generation but they're having less sex than Baby Boomers or Gen X

[–]Auphor_Phaksache[🍰] 2 points3 points  (20 children)

I pulled the "top 10%" figure from my ass

I was going to say, bullshit I'm in the top 10%. I know some guys that can get 1-2 different girls a day.

[–]kenpachitz points points [recovered]

1-2 different girls a day

Pretty sure that would make them the top 1% lagging behind only celebrities.

[–]Auphor_Phaksache[🍰] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I was comparing celebrities, yes you caught me. I'd say I'm in the 1-2 month range if I really tried. 1-2 a year with no trying at all. All 6+

[–]FredWeedMax 24 points25 points  (10 children)

Man 1-2 girls a day seems like they spend way too much time dedicated to get pussy

[–]OreNoDirudo 12 points13 points  (3 children)

As someone who spent two years dedicated to just cold approach. I've seen the best and the worst.

If you're doing two girls a day you're real good but by that point you probably either have ocd or need a new hobby

[–]FredWeedMax 3 points4 points  (2 children)

That's what i thought as well, chasing women is definitely not my hobby at all, i understand the need to fuck some pussy but dedicating so much time to it seems detrimental to your overall success

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 8 points9 points  (0 children)

...and I know plenty of guys who married their high school sweetheart or the first woman they ever pulled.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're comparing your social circle to all of western man. This post is comparing the self to western man.

[–]bslizzle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's also arguable that a lot of people's numbers come within a few years. So even though a lot of guys may get more than one lay a year (I really don't know), it's not maintained over a long period of time (8 years max).

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