Female psychiatrist tells me to forgive the 4 years of lies from my LTR, and marry her as long as she makes a promise to stop the behavior when the time comes (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]BestSC86 236 points237 points  (22 children)

Look ditch that psychiatrist ASAP.

BUT here is the freaking deal with this LTR...it is your fault it has come to this.

If smoking cigarettes is that much a problem for you, then you should have ended this relationship years ago and stop wasting this woman's and your own time.

Fact is that she smokes. She is unable or unwilling to quit but a bigger problem is that you put this woman's pussy above your stated boundary of "no smoking". You talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. And by not standing your ground the first time you found out she was lying and smoked, you indicated to her that is was just talk and that it must not be really that important to you.

And even now you are hedging your bets and staying with that pussy while giving up all the leverage in the relationship by declaring that you are not interested in marriage or children...

So why in the world would she even consider stopping, you are not going to marry her, you are not going anywhere and as far as she can see there no consequences to her for smoking.

[–]investcapital[S] 87 points88 points  (6 children)

I agree 100% that it is my fault for not ending it the first time i found out. I guess since I was such a beta I sold myself the excuse that "she deserves a second chance since she's been there for me at times when I had nobody else" and what not.

But analyzing it all now from a RP perspective, she did stand to gain a lot from all the things she did for me, so its not like they were selfless deeds.

[–]JourneymanTRP 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Pay attention, everyone. This is what a legitimate and honest self-analysis looks like.

[–]tilnewstuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No it's not, it's capitulation. The guy has been seeing the psychatrist and she knows more about him than all of the people here combined, and suddenly everyone feels competent to analyze OP and even tell him to ditch her.

OP had a bias, he came here to confirm it, and you guys satisfied that need, that's it really.

[–]whythecynic 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Good on you for being honest with yourself! Set lofty goals, plan your steps to achieve them, hold yourself accountable for every inch of your progress, and you'll go far in life.

[–]Attentive1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I smoke and I have no intentions on quitting but you should hear how many people, strangers even, that bitch about it. Ultimately I will quit when I decide to quit but until then my attitude is that other's are being rude and controlling. If it's something I want to do then I see it as a power struggle. The difference is that I'm more direct and will tell you to fuck off. Both of you pretended and played each other.

[–]sakawoto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't sound like she was telling you to actually do that. It sounds like it was more along the lines of, if you really want to change her behavior, bringing it up like this would have been the most helpful. Saying something like "hey, I just want to make sure you can actually do it, and you can prove it to me, before we go any further " basically gives her the motivation to actually change.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Female psychiatrist tells me to forgive the 4 years of lies from my LTR, and marry her as long as she makes a promise to stop the behavior when the time comes


No, no, no, but, for serious, for serious:


Not for nothing, but the body of work that we've accumulated in TRP should completely cover the situation you're in.


[–]TheReformist94 33 points34 points  (9 children)

Absolutely,ditch the psychiatrist. I had to see a psychiatrist once,a female one.I had already swallowed the pill.I was so so lucky I wasn't given a female psychiatrist who would dangerously give me blue pill advice and hook me up on SSRIs. She straight up said to me "women dig power.if you have power,women will flock to you."

[–]n0_S0UL points points [recovered]

You got incredibly fortunate. As a kid I struggled with anxiety and depression and my mother shuffled me off to some psychiatrist who did exactly that. My entire adolescence was a living nightmare and a dark prescription induced haze that didn't stop until I flushed the medications and refused to take them. Diet and exercise with cognitive therapy can work wonders and should be the go to, rather than inflating big pharma's profit margins with scripts aimed towards kids.

[–]EricDaGreat 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Yes this. My father was a psychologist. So much blue pill crap going on in that world. Keep your kids away from shrinks if you can. Exercise, sunshine, good sleep (no late night video games), and good diet.

[–]tio1w 6 points7 points  (3 children)

(no late night video games)

Actually low exposure to screens in general.

[–]EricDaGreat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Agreed. Hopefully they are too busy with real play and other activities to be near a screen. My kids don't have access to TV, but they do have a desktop computer to do homework and some learning software. But you know that's not happening in more than 1/10 homes.

[–]Troll_Name 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Kids shouldn't be kept so distant from vidyas that they become the greener grass on the other side of the fence. A lot of kids born in the 80s - with broke druggie parents - got hooked massively on NES/SNES in the 2000s because they couldn't afford it back in the day. It fueled a massive revival of the original console games, which spawned all the shite indie "retro" knockoffs we see today.

"Everything is poison, nothing is poison. What matters is the dose."

[–]karshberlg points points [recovered]

This is what I figured out happened to me, but I'm 10 years deep into meds (13-23) for anxiety and depression, lost my social life and there's so much shit to fix in my life but with so little energy idk if I'm going to ever do it

[–]johnsonsson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

start with getting your body back with good food and sports. one step at a time, this one is the foundation of everything that is about to come

[–]P4_Brotagonist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some of this is true, but at the same time I'd literally rather kill myself than not take my schizophrenia meds because "big pharma profit."

[–]DaegobahDan 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's a psychiatrist. You seem them every 3 or 6 months to get your prescription refilled. They aren't therapists like a psychologist is.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Psychiatrist is smart, she is thinking after OP gets married, she can suck another 5 years of marriage councelling out of him. Then after he gets divorced ....

[–]tio1w 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These "helping" professions are just scams to maintain the "need" for their existence.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children)

20 years a smoker here, quit for a year now.
My opinion is that smoking is a pleasure, and an amazing one, that offers nothing good though.
By that, I mean. I understand her need and/or desire to enjoy a cigarette. BUT, smoking is not the point, the point is that she has been lying to you, and she can definitely not be trusted.
So, to wrap this up; I would fire the doctor, and brake up with Pinochio

[–]tilnewstuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Smoking is addictive. It's one of the toughest things to quit. From the OP, it seems she loves him and doesn't want to lose him, hence her lying about it and her continuous attempts to be with him and even get married.

[–]matty62 points points [recovered]

I lie to my wife all the time about it. I might smoke for a month then not again for another 4 months. I vape at home and sometimes smoke and chew at work. No point in arguing if I know it's going to make her mad. I always say if she catches me again I'm never telling her I quit again, I just won't smoke. Like any addiction you don't quit you just aren't doing it at this moment, and people without an addiction will never understand.

[–]jquest23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems like he doesn't like who she is , so move on bud.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Oh, I live in a constant lie because I don't want to upset my wife.' 'Oh, you don't understand, I can't stop, it's an addiction.' Keep hamstering your beta behaviour and lack control and discipline buddy, that will take you places.

[–]H2offroad 18 points19 points  (4 children)

How does someone hide smoking cigarettes? They fucking reeek

[–]EricDaGreat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep, was wondering this too.

[–]matty62 points points [recovered]

If people aren't expecting to smell smoke it is easy to hide from them

[–]Queefums 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No it isn't... You smell it from a mile away, whether or not you're expecting it.

[–]H2offroad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like OP is kinda anal about it though ..

[–]TRPBackpacker points points [recovered]

Get a male psychiatrist.

Female psychiatrist are prone to AWALT, solipscism and hypergamy. I dated one. They love over analyzing things and completely ignores the power dynamic as well as roles of men.

They see everyone as s8ck puppies to cure. But their idea of being cured is one of those beta bucks, sacrifice everything for women type.

Get a male one. They are a lot more redpill leaning.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Anecdotally, every female psychiatrist or psychologist I have encountered has been batshit crazy themselves.

OP definitely needs a male psychiatrist. For all medical professionals - doctors, psychiatrists, even dentists - you really have to shop around and try a few until you find a guy that is skilled, has attention to detail, and wants to help you. A lot of doctors have mentally just checked out of their jobs a long time ago, and really don't give a fuck or do more than the bare minimum duty of care required by law. But for you, it could literally mean the difference between life and death, or at least your quality of life for many months or years.

Edit: word

[–]TheRidgeway 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Came here to say this. Female practitioners of psychiatry are often drawn to said field due to their own psychiatric issues and treatment. Find a male psych.

[–]Troll_Name 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Top causes of psych majoring:

1: woman wants to control people.

2: woman wants a cushy job with a high salary.

3: woman gave birth to a severely autistic baby, before going to community college for transfer credit into a university.

4: woman views government jobs as a noble calling.

5: retarded major syndrome.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All women are nuts...

... from the male perspective. Asking one to diagnose your mental health issues is like asking a circus clown to do Explosive Ordnance Disposal.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I have the one female therapist that's almost with TRP. She has ADHD like me and is an ADHD "coach" as well. Women with actual ADHD tend to be more straight forward, IME. After my divorce she told me to trust my gut, live life for myself, take up hobbies and exercise, start my consultancy, set boundaries and not change myself for women. Very rare counselor.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Female psychiatrist are prone to AWALT, solipscism and hypergamy.

Plus they're on team Woman first and foremost. If you talk to her about your couple, be sure she'll automatically be biased on taking her side (as OP's story demonstrates).

EDIT: oh and they're blue pill too. So their relationship advice is moot. I had a female therapist at a time I had the Black Dog & all her relationship advice, now seen in a red pill light, were completely stupid.

[–]kinkbagel points points [recovered]

Plus they're on team Woman first and foremost. If you talk to her about your couple, be sure she'll automatically be biased on taking her side (as OP's story demonstrates).

And why would you talk to her about your couple? Psychiatrists are doctors, they prescribe drugs, they're not there to listen to your life problems. Do you visit your cardiologist when you want advice too?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have a problem for raising such a trivial point?

OP talked about his relationship with his psychiatrist. Do I need more justification than that to be able to make a comment on talking relationship with your psychiatrist?

[–]real-boethius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is interesting too is the implicit acceptance of lying as acceptable behaviour for a woman in a relationship.

When in reality if you cannot trust your SO, you are f***ed.

[–]RPthrowaway_007 points points [recovered]

If she lies about smoking just imagine what else she's lied about

[–]investcapital[S] 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Exactly I can never trust anything she says now ever again. Also huge red flag that my beta bitch self didn't catch onto until i started reading TRP (you guys are gonna laugh at this one)...

I was faithful to her since day 1 and actually even turned down women when my LTR wasn't even around to keep an eye on me... yet for some reason she kept going through MY phone and MY facebook and instagram. Kept accusing/suspecting me of cheating and I couldn't figure out why.

Can you say projection?

[–]MarauderFH 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Oh boy. You've been cheated on for sure. Don't try for an easy exit. Just get out now.

[–]GC0W30 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And get a fucking STD panel so you can get treated for anything this foul bitch gave you....

[–]johnsonsson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this doesnt sound good. she either cheated or was at least thinking about it. yes, going through your phone was projection.


think about your potential with all that trp wisdom you are going to implement this year and ask yourself if this bitch really is worth it. you can do better, do not hide under this stone

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 13 points14 points  (7 children)

I've had a lifelong interest in psychology. It's a fact of both males and females in this field: many enter it trying to understand their own messed up lives, and/or project their own goblins into their patients during therapy.

As for the smoking, every pore of a smoker's body exudes burnt tobacco metabolites. I can taste it in pussy juice. Kinda hard to hide. If this is a hard boundary, good for finally cutting her loose.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As for the smoking, every pore of a smoker's body exudes burnt tobacco metabolites. I can taste it in pussy juice.

It's true. I remember my first experience with this. There was a big house party where I fucked and munched (don't do this as much any more, but that's a different story) this HB8. The next morning I complained to my best bro that it was like I was sucking on a cigar and I couldn't get the fucking taste out of my mouth. I didn't know she smoked, but my bro did and he gave me the details.

That said and some info for OP: for a few years in the military I did smoke. Not good, but I did quit. Running 10 and humping 10 only leaves you horking up a lung. That said, the second my wife got the positive pregnancy test, she stopped on a dime. Twice (another kid a few years later). No smoking. No drinking. Nothing. I won't claim all women will do this and god knows this woman is far, FAR from an angel. But.... Men love women. Women love children. Children love puppies. Puppies love men.

[–]real-boethius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is even a book about this syndrome: "The Drama of the Gifted Child" by Alice Miller.

[–]kinkbagel points points [recovered]

I've had a lifelong interest in psychology.

Psychology has pretty much nothing to do with Psychiatry. They're as close to each other as a masseuse is to a dermatology.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Found the frustrated, insecure Psychiatrist, guys!

Year old account, the only activity is 6 posts ITT pedantically correcting people interchanging psychiatrist/psychologist. Physician, heal thyself!

[–]kinkbagel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're not very smart are you? Psychiatry has nothing to do with psychology, a psychiatrist is no more fit to provide relationship council than a dentist. The names are similar, that's it. Just because you're stupid enough to think psychiatrists are relationship councilors doesn't mean other people are. Next time before opening your mouth to spout shit learn wtf your medical doctors actually do. I can only imagine a retard like yourself going to the cardiologist because someone broke your heart.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easy there, big guy! You're going to end up in a cardiologist's office yourself getting so worked up over the internet.

[–]randarrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but if op is already inundated with it, he won't notice.

[–]landon042 points points [recovered]

L0l, had to say it. Because we all have heard what the psychiatrist will do when a husband and wife are present but a post on it is great.

Thanks for sharing and you want a solution, but you will not get one. A girl like that will never change, leave her and never look back.

I know why you are even asking because it's been 4 years you think of the time spent and it's worth it to try and fix it,

its not

you will thank me later

[–]kinkbagel points points [recovered]

Because we all have heard what the psychiatrist will do when a husband and wife are present but a post on it is great.

What do they do? I've never heard it tbh. I've actually never even heard of a psychiatrist evaluating two people at the same time, I'm sure what you've heard must be very interesting.

[–]landon042 points points [recovered]

I meant a marriage counselor basically, how it's a woman always siding with the woman.

blah blah blah "you need to listen to her more" "you have to wash the dishes" "talk about your feelings"

to turn him into a bitch for team wymnz

[–]kinkbagel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But a psychiatrist is as close to a marriage counselor as a dentist is. Psychiatry has absolutely nothing to do with it, they can provide council on drug related matters just like a dentist provides council on teeth related matters, but that's the limit.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Dump both the shrink and the chick.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Demote shrink to plate.

Demote your LTR to gone.

Circle of life

[–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i know you are joking but he cant plate her lol.. she knows hes beta. the whole point of them talking is bc he lost power in his LTR

plus she knows in hamsterese that his girlfriend doesnt want him anymore - hence why shes acting out of control. thats opposite of preselection

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude the comeback alpha is one of the most potent effects on women. Just imagine, you are seeing on a daily basis a handsome guy, good body, lots of money (for arguments sake) the only problem: he's a beta and you've hampstered him into "best friend zone." Now all of a sudden he starts taking what he wants, her brain would explode trying to figure out why she wanted him so badly, if he just learned and applied alpha mentality.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

When an addiction comes between a relationship, the relationship will lose.

If you want a LTR, never compromise on anything important to you when choosing a partner. She will never change permanently for you. She will perhaps change temporarily, but she will revert as soon as you're locked down. Then she'll tell everyone you're abusive and controlling if you ask her to honor her agreements.

[–]investcapital[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She will perhaps change temporarily, but she will revert as soon as you're locked down. Then she'll tell everyone you're abusive and controlling if you ask her to honor her agreements.

And of course, this "abusive and controlling" behavior is grounds for the cause of any future wrongdoing on her part.

[–]obama_loves_nsa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

OP: 5 years ago I had a girl come over to my apartment at the time for a date/fuck.

She went on my back balcony and smoked a cigarette as I was on the phone.

I told her I don't allow cigarettes near or in my home/apartment and asked her to leave or throw every cig she had on her in the trash can

She opted for option B. Threw out her packs in my trash instead of leaving.

2 good things happened for me. Those were the last cigs she ever had. She still thanks me for it. AND I found out she valued me and a potential relationship over cigarettes.

Boom. An LTR started on that. I have trusted this woman more than anything since then. I also had her passcode and passwords on her phone early on and was able to brutally assess her dealings with anyone and other guys.

I found a true fucking winner. She has been honest to me more than I am honest with my own self. I feel like shit for hacking her passwords now in hindsight.

[–]lnTheRearWithTheGear 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I'm a big fan of therapy, but nobody's psychologist should be directing them to make any decisions, period. If they can't get you to find an answer for yourself that you feel is right for you then you need to fire them.

I feel like TRP has this attitude that therapists are sitting around telling people what to do, and while I'm sure there are plenty of bad therapists, this is not how therapy is supposed to work.

[–]kinkbagel points points [recovered]

I'm a big fan of therapy, but nobody's psychologist should be directing them to make any decisions, period.

I agree with you 100%. What I don't understand is how any of what you said is relevant, since OP went to a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.

[–]lnTheRearWithTheGear 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's a fair quibble, but the point remains - he was seeing a licensed professional and receiving therapy and advice (and drugs, since it's a psychiatrist). But by all means, high center on the minutiae.

[–]kinkbagel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was seeing a professional that has nothing to do with the matter at hand. A psychiatrist has as much to do with counseling as a dentist or a cardiologist does.

[–]EricDaGreat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

There are tons of therapists just waiting to take your money, diagnose you with something, and keep you coming in once per week while the insurance company pays the bill. Occasionally, therapy is warranted, but more often a knee jerk reaction where someone if basically forced to seek therapy to preserve a job, mollify a spouse, or appease the courts.

[–]lnTheRearWithTheGear 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If your car completely shits the bed one day are you going to refuse to go to a mechanic because some mechanics are shady? I mean, if you would rather push your dead car around everywhere you go, and slow your life down, that's cool. But... if you want to get on track and move on with life, you'll do yourself a favor by doing some research on a reputable mechanic, talk to some people, and find an expert you can trust.

[–]EricDaGreat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IDK, kinda sounds like apples & oranges. But your basic premise is good.

[–]epubliusrex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuck the shrink. Fuck the LTR and run. The first time you catch a woman lying, You kick her to the curb. Let some other dumbass take care of her. Life is too short and women, like busses, come along every ten minutes.

[–]tio1w 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But I digress, I went to see my female psychiatrist today (ADHD)

There's your mistake. Drop both those bitches from your life.

she asked how my relationship was going. So i told her the full story about the cigarettes and she tells me I should've approached it more like this

Did you ask her for her opinion?

I can only imagine what that psychiatrist would've said to a female if the roles were reversed and a man lied to his woman for 4 years, knowing the woman's mom died of cancer.

He's a rapist sociopath that needs an extensive psychiatric intervention.

[–]real-boethius 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  1. Low impulse control.

  2. Serial liar.

The decision makes itself.


Never take relationship advice from a woman. Including a shrink.

[–]realister 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How did you not notice really you never kiss or smell her hands? I think you have intimacy problems there man.

[–]MomentumRising 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing, I appreciate that.

It's good to note that regardless of her title, a woman is still a woman, that won't change, neither will what comes out of their mouth.

[–]UKRealist 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Probably not all she's been sucking on behind your back dude. You been kissing smoked sausage mouth.

[–]afkb39sdfb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior.

[–]MafaRioch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, I can understand how "silly" that argument of leaving over cigarettes might sound to your ex, because I smoke myself and don't see much hassle over it. However, you had a terrible experience with it in your life, and due that you have an absolute "fuck smoking" mentality.

But the drill here is, it's not really about smoking, it's about her constantly lying to you and not being able (read:willing) to stand by her promises. And hearing that your psych told you to just forgive such act is ridiculous. Ditch her ASAP. That's totally unprofessional and apparently biased opinion of hers.

[–]GreenTeaOnMyDesk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why the fuck do you have a female psychiatrist?

[–]PaulAJK 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Great post. Psychiatrists are BP AF, and it seems to me will almost always take the side of the women in a relationship. Also, it's brilliaant to read a newbie post something which genuinely contributes.

A minor quibble though... Why are you tanning? You know that screws up your face and ages you prematurely right? You get a minor short term SMV boost in exchange for a big problem once you hit your mid-thirties, and it's permanent. There's literally no way to repair the damage of frequent tanning to your face with the science as it exists today. Maybe there will be in the future, but with all the most expensive beauty treatments in the world 2 otherwise identical people undegoing the same procedures, the person who didn't over-tan will have better skin. Really dude, I've never actually seen any discussion about this here, but it's horribly blue. Cut it out.

[–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Psychiatrists are BP AF, and it seems to me will almost always take the side of the women in a relationship

Ha, nope. Not all of them. In my BP days, I was engaged to a girl and had second thoughts. We decided to go to couples counseling and she suggests her own psychologist. He flat out told me I was making a mistake marrying her. He helped me see that her goal was that I become her slave and that there was nothing in marriage for me at all.

I called it off ten days before the blessed event and never looked back. One of the smartest things I ever did. And thus began my slow swallowing of the red pill. What a mistake she made sending us to that guy. He basically smacked me in my blue face until I started to see the truth, and it wasn't pretty.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tanning isn't for everyone, but like all things it's all about moderation. Going once or twice a year in the winter months for some color isn't as damaging as some of the tanning regimens the orange people are on. That said, I agree with you. No sense in having a short term boost of SMV now at the expense of it later.

[–]blastdoub1e 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Of course you should never 100% believe what she says. Watch what she does and observe her actions instead.

In the absence of those actions, you should listen to what she says, but only take it with a grain of salt. Trust, but verify. Always be skeptical about what she says until her actions prove otherwise. This doesn't just apply to women either, it really applies to all people you encounter.

Her actions in this situation prove that she does not respect you. Probably because you were BP. Once you can maintain frame and an RP state of mind will she respect you.

Also man, ADHD is a capitalist manufactured disorder so big pharma can sell people like you prescription drugs. You don't need a psychiatrist for this. And definitely not some feminist BP woman.

[–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Also man, ADHD is a capitalist manufactured disorder so big pharma can sell people like you prescription drugs. You don't need a psychiatrist for this.

This needed emphasized reiteration.

Change your diet, increase your physical activity, and practice mental focus with will exercises and meditation.

[–]Troll_Name 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SOME people are cured by taking meth pills or heroin or whatever is the big pharma fad these days. But if only these people bought the drugs, they would have to cost a hundred dollars a pill.

Basically, the pills just wouldn't exist - therefore the market for the pill wouldn't exist.

So what's a concerned Inner Party member to do? Leverage doctors into massively over-prescribing these drugs, until they become a globally-recognized name like Coca-Cola or The Simpsons. Then they can cost a mere ONE dollar a pill, and every barcoded citizen can be told from early childhood they need to take five to eight different pills each day. Expenses? Not to worry, Ponzicare will take care of that for you!

[–]franmonkey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that was funny, yea don't mary but even if you really wanted to one of the main things about making a marriage work is trust and honesty if shes lying to you about the cigarettes then you have no reason to trust her on anything else.

[–]Sensei_Hensei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

HA! The title alone is sickening.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

By the way, her lying about quitting to get you tied down like that... I can imagine this girl making her own separate bank account when you guys are married and one day up and leaving with the kid and half your shit. Trust is key, this woman is breaking it from the get go.

[–]karpathian 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Old coworker would complain about the smell that an ozone machine would make because it could be unhealthy for her unborn child, continued to smoke religiously...

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She's right... And stupid. Ozone is highly reactive and bad for you.

[–]karpathian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5 minutes of Ozone to get rid of the smell of other things in an entirely different part of the office won't do anything.

[–]GOATmar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotdayum son, seeing a psychiatrist?

it's a relationship... how hard are you making this? why are we complicating cornflakes?

our ancestors have held down women/families for eons, most of the time they couldn't even speak... hell, for a looong while we couldn't even think about anything but sex to reproduce & survive... and those motherfuckers got us here today.

if you dont like smokers, and she smokes & lies about it... you got 2 options.


or get her some legit help.

personally, any woman that smokes anything is disgusting to me. period. so i cant relate.

but i also know that sometimes, her positives can overwhelmingly outweight small negatives.

if she isn't in perfect shape, if she curses a lot, if she didnt have a strong father figure in her life, if her sexual partner count is over 5, if she doesn't indulge in your fantasies of bedding other women with her, if she doesn't keep your place squeaky clean and prepares bomb ass food... DUMP. ASAP

if she does all that, but just lies about smoking... shiiit... that's still a pretty commitment-worthy woman - you just have to punish swiftly.

i'd personally punish her by having her seduce the psychiatrist with you and having her join you.

if she's appalled and breaks up with you, she just did u a favor. if she agrees, she has re-earned your further commitment (aka reward slowly).

again, do not complicate cornflakes

[–]Troll_Name 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"You have to earn it first" -is too harsh.

Welcome to modern psychology. Every bitch gets a participation trophy in the form of a man's future income whether the marriage succeeds or not.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should marry the girl

You should take an axe to a couple toes too. You might stub them some day and you don't want any of that pain.

This horror story is over, right? The book as done and you were written out of the ending?

[–]Viking_RnP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The psychiatrist told you what all the chick's on two x chromosomes would tell you. The same recycled bullshit that puts the woman's decision in power.

[–]no_face 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6 months later i find out she's smoking behind my back

It took you six months? You couldn't smell it on her hair, hands, clothes?

about putting a ring on her finger

"My children's mother won't be a smoker"

my female psychiatrist

ha ha ha this keeps getting better. But hey, you took the first steps. A glorious but harsh future awaits you.

[–]narpose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never take advice from a woman. The only woman you can trust is your mother and even your father didn't trust her.

[–]just_a_thought4U 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you want to get married? You want kids? You want to trust this woman with raising your children and having some control of your finances? Do you want a competent respectful partner or do you want to have to be daddy to an adult child?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much are you paying that shrink?

[–]DoDraper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what you should do then. You laugh at your psychiatrist face and walk away like a real man does.

[–]deville05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you even with a female psychiatrist? Unless you have anger issues and need the female energy to calm you down, telling a female your problems won't help cuz she won't relate. You have to go to men.. Alpha psychiatrists

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a perfect example of a codependent male. Saving your mommy from cancer. Mommy disguised as a LTR

[–]n0_S0UL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I absolutely agree that if there is a genuine need for medication such as in your case that you should take the medication. A chemical imbalance isn't something that can be fixed as simply as the manner that I described, and early in therapy I certainly benefitted from taking the Meds. It's just when drugs like Risperdal are prescribed to children with no intentions of ever reducing dosage, then I think there is an issue.

[–]jakeecio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lie once told she thinks she can get away. But stand your ground.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You should get even with her. Knee jerk reaction I'd say cheat on the bitch but no, that's too easy. You should instead continue to waste her time, which is a woman's most valuable resource. She betrayed you, now it's your turn to betray her, just for laughs. Drop hints like you are ring shopping. Leave bridal magazines around, circle a few things and write a few notes inside with a black sharpie so it's clear you are perusing it. Getting ideas, as it were. Get some business cards of wedding planners in the area and leave them where she will easily find them. If she tries to initiate any sort of direct conversation about it hush her up like don't ruin the surprise.

Let weeks and months go by.

Anytime she tries to talk about it shut it down immediately in a playful manner. How you want to play the ending is up to you. Fade away. Get "caught" balls deep inside a younger, hotter woman. Or just break up with her. If you are really evil you leave her at the altar so she is publicly humiliated. Even better would be one day to just start dating someone new. When pressed you can admit you are really excited about this new relationship and all the wedding planning shit is for the new girl, not her. She is a liar and a fraud. There's the door.

Whatever you do just record it for the internet's sake.

[–]cnzs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is some pretty sad advice. Why would he continue to waste the only thing he could never get back on someone as unworthy as her?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would he continue to waste the only thing he could never get back on someone as unworthy as her?

Because he's not going to get married or have kids. He doesn't have a ticking clock like a woman does. He can plate her and get sex from her until he is done with it (if he isn't already). Chances are she has already cheated on him, it's his turn to return the favor. It's good practice for him to kill the oneitis.

[–]1empatheticapathetic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I honestly bet she also just loved the drama it caused and to see what you'd do about it. It's like a shit test.

[–]lolligagger3000 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

What's your problem bro? You are scared of cancer and you still are tanning? That's as dangerous as smoking and melanoma can come really quickly.

Anyway, welcome to the community.

[–]cnzs 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's not about the smoking it's about her behavior, it could have been a million different things.

[–]lolligagger3000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah I get it, but on a side note: don't get cancer on purpose

[–]cnzs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being alive gives you cancer, one way to solve that right?

[–]epubliusrex -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On the other hand, if she's a 9 or a 10, you could make her give you head every time she smokes. And then let her smoke.


[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Never get a female therapist or psychiatrist.

AWALT. Remember that. Women cannot provide the perspective men can. They can't empathize with men. They are incapable of it due to their solipsism and their unique biological role. They will give you shit advice and rationalize your loss that comes from it. When it comes to personal matters, get a male therapist/psychiatrist and make sure he is masculine and not a pushover. You're trusting your personal development and sanity to this person. I made this mistake once and she gave me nothing but shit advice in my relationships. I will write about my red-pill awakening soon, and you ought to read it if you want insight into the industry- I happen to work in it myself, lol.