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Field ReportFrom fat to hulk: 4 big lessons learned (self.TheRedPill)

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So I've been a reader here for over 4 years. I often see many posts about hitting the gym and why you need to. One thing i never see are pics of the poster who's giving this advice. Rest assured JackDaddy is about to walk you through his journey even from the embarrassing stage. While I don't doubt that the OP's in other posts are in shape, back then actually seeing what they look like would've pushed me a lot sooner to get in shape. I think its essential for helping new readers understand why the gym is essential in the red pill and life in general. So I'll take you on my journey and at the end I'll provide you with the 4 biggest take aways I personally have. If mods want me to verify that said pictures are indeed me all they need to do is ask.
**THE BEGINNING*
August of 2012 I was in terrible shape. Believe it or not I took that selfie to send to a chick I was trying to fuck, never heard from her after either. Just what I needed as I was starting college at 18. After a few months on campus, while I was known for being funny, the only chicks I could pull were fat bitches. I came from a well off family so naturally I used my money (well .. my parents money) to get chicks to fuck around with me. It was a sad lifestyle. Going to parties uninvited most of the time just to be unnoticed by everyone and spectate guys that were in shape get all the action. It really hurt my confidence and I got really down about it. I stayed like that for my whole freshman year of college.
Come sophomore year after reaching around 290lbs I had enough. I got on the keto diet for around 2 months and lost an initial 40. I love food so I went back to eating what I wanted and decided I would run 2 miles on the campus track twice a week, and work out 3 days a week. The biggest problem I faced with working out was getting myself to go, but once there I was in my sanctuary. Eventually it became second nature to make plans around the gym instead of vice versa. Over the course of a few years going hard on and off I dropped down to around 235 pounds and put a serious amount of muscle. No streoids, no creatine, just working out . This is a pic of me around early 2015.
After I graduated I moved back home, I found a great regime, made some body gym bro friends, and eventually I reached hulk status. Here is a picture of me last month (January 2017). NSFW
P.S. If anyone wants my workout plan I have pdf's with visual aides.
Having reached my gym status I want to tell you 4 things that I have personally learned over the last few years.
  1. Being a muscle head is enough to get you laid, it isn't enough to keep girls around. So you can imagine that when I go out, I usually end up meeting a chick, more often than not things escalate, we fuck, and boom new plate right? Wrong. In the early stages while I may have ended up smashing a chick after meeting her the same day, keeping them around took something I hadn't learned yet. You know what really did it? Learning an interesting hobby. If you don't have anything interesting going on then she'll get bored, end of story. I have no performance issues but even that wasn't enough to keep a 8/10+ chick interested. So I took up Muay Thai, I began traveling, I learned how to cook, I took a 2 day bartending class, I found interesting things to do that others would want to be apart of. Having interesting hobbies and being in shape has a psychological effect on chicks that makes them want to be part of your life. Just my opinion after constant trial & error.
  2. You become much more controlling of your emotions/frame. Now a days you really can't tell me shit. And what I mean by that is, if you're a guy and you throw some shade at me, I brush that shit off like Jay Z, I'll laugh it off every time. If you're a girl and you shit test me, I dodge that shit like the matrix. "Wow I bet you have so many girls?" "Yes that's why you should feel special I approached you". Your frame becomes damn near impenetrable and it happens completely naturally. The only thing that can really break me down? Someone telling me my code looks like shit at work.
  3. You command respect, without even saying a word. I don't like the term alpha. Never have honestly. I prefer the term leader. When you workout and look like it, congratulations you have put yourself in a category that is shrinking every year. You command respect without even saying a word. People want to be your friend, girls try to get your attention, people laugh at all your jokes, they follow your commands, you become a leader. I take full advantage of this. Girls buy me gifts, random guys want to buy me a drink at the bar, strangers start conversations, without even trying your social life will rise because you command respect and attention.
  4. This one is really just a gym tip. Fucking stretch. STRETCH. STRETCH. You are holding back your gains by not stretching. By not stretching you are restricting your body from its max range of motion. You are not targeting every part of every muscle you could be. Imagine 2 guys with the same height and weight. They do the same exercises as each other for 6 months straight. Guy 1 stretches 4 times a week and guy 2 never does. By month 3, Guy 1 is able to achieve a full 3 inches more on his squat than guy 2, who's going to have better results? Not only are you helping your muscles longevity but you feel amazing after 2 months of consistent stretching. You also help prevent many injuries as you get into heavier weight. During my journey I caught a nasty Charlie horse in my hamstring with about 350 lbs on the squat rack. Luckily I had 2 people standing close by as I collapsed to the ground. Seriously guys stretch it out and drink more water too while you're at it.
Tldr: was fat, now big. Learned being muscular doesn't keep girls interested, having muscles makes frame stronger, muscles command respect, stretch before lifting.
Edit:
Getting a lot of PM's about the workout plan and meal plan. Copy paste of comment I made:
Shoutout to @Juggerknot99. Check him out on instagram. Good friend of mine is responsible for this workout plan.
Meal plan, I gotta be honest I eat what I want. I'm not into candy and sweets but I will fuck up a burger and some fries. The only thing I really pay attention to is my carb intake. If I know I'm not going to lift within a few hours after eating a lot of those, I won't eat them.
Not really helpful I know but I got you!
A friend of mine who personal trains made my brother a very in depth meal plan awhile ago, I know it can be beneficial to many. Here's a drop box link. My brothers goal was to bulk as cleanly as possible starting from around 165. He's about 195 now and rock solid.
Good luck make me proud.
Edit 2: as far as stretching I do not do anything special. Here is a video I recommend https://youtu.be/tycVKU93Fq0

[–]BlackJ1 92 points93 points  (23 children)

Your situation mirrors mine almost exactly.

Fat as fuck 5'11, 205 all the way until my freshmen year in college where I said fuck it, I've had enough. Keto + IF + Stronglifts 5x5 = Massive weight loss and muscle gain.

One of the biggest lessons I've learned is that if you don't respect yourself, people wont respect you. This also applies to your body. Once I started caring for my body people started treating me a lot better, women didn't think I was invisible anymore, I got more looks/compliments, and I overall had better self-esteem.

[–]A_sexy_black_man 48 points49 points  (21 children)

Once I started caring for my body people started treating me a lot better, women didn't think I was invisible anymore

Very true. It's nice to be on the other side where a chick tries so hard to get your attention and you completely dismiss her. They really really hate that.

Anyway keto diet is a great thing for anyone who wants to lose some serious weight. It isn't easy at first but stick with it and you'll lose it fast, combine it with cardio and it falls off.

Congrats on your success.

[–]guifawkes 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I felt like shit for the first 17 days when I started keto. I would bend over to tie my shoes, stand up and get so light headed I had to grab something so I didn't fall. I went cold turkey from high carb diet to under 20 grams of carbs per day though. After those 17 days, I started to feel better and better. Slept like a ROCK every night and my symptoms of ADD disappeared. I tell people to cut out added sugar and ALL bread first for like 2 weeks and only get carbs from fruit, rice, and sweet potatoes. Then after two weeks begin to take your carbs down to under 20 grams and ride that out til you're at your target body fat. Hardest thing for me and most people who switch to this diet is getting ENOUGH fat so you're not starving all the time. Bullet-proof coffees, lemon "fat bombs", avocados, and walnuts are great for on the go. You can also add bacon fat and grass-fed butter to soups and stews to fill up. Lots of high fiber vegetables help keep you full. Also don't expect to poop as much as you did before.

[–]p3n1x 31 points32 points  (1 child)

To expand the comment.

Sugar is the MOST powerful control drug. Think of it like a chicks 'meta frame'.

-Want to look better? Fuck Sugar.

-Want to feel better? Fuck Sugar.

-Want to be more intelligent? Fuck Sugar.

-Want to be less depressed? Fuck Sugar.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. It was hard to stop eating sweets and other types of take out food which have high amounts of sugar in them, but well worth it.

I used to be a big soda drinker and felt bad, was moody, had upset stomach a lot, and yellow teeth. No more! Now I can no longer really stand to eat/drink super-sweet things after adusting back to a "normal" (healthy) state.

[–]reptile420 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Keto works awesome. I follow this version to not lose muscle while doing it. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=120904431

What other supps did you take? Any SARM's or cycles? clen?

[–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (6 children)

How do you eat a ketogenic diet? They say less than 25g of carbs a day. It seems impossible how tf do I get like so many cal just from fat? What the hell do I eat? Plz explain OP I'm trying to do ketogenic but can't get myself to do it.

[–]CapNCookM8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Currently in the process (bout 2 months in). 6'1", was 250 lbs down to 215ish. I eat an obscene amount of eggs. Breakfast? Egg on toast, apple. Throughout the day, nuts.

  1. Just get used to being hungry. Don't starve, but when you start to feel hungry, make yourself busy and ignore it for an hour or two. You get used to it.
  2. My biggest addiction are Arizonas. I wish I was one of those guys who don't crave it anymore, and despite stopping cold turkey, I STILL fucking want one. I still crave Tbell, half off appetizers, sweets, you name it. But you know what's better than a Sweet Tea? Losing weight and all the benefits along with it. Even without hulking, I've noticed the benefits OP mentioned (albeit to a lesser extent I'm sure), namely not taking shit anymore.

Keto is the easiest most effective diet for me. It works because you know what you can and cannot have, no grey area. Stick with it, and you won't be sorry.

[–]Kalidane 24 points25 points  (7 children)

Sweet bro.

Number four is practically top secret. After newb phase it matters a ton for recovery and injury prevention.

Most people only care after months out due to injury. Making it part of the routine before touring Snap City is the good idea people don't want to implement.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

I kept getting small muscle pulls in the legs and back when working out. I knew it was due to never stretching. I started doing yoga and I haven't hurt myself once. Stretch people.

[–]dingman58 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yoga is the shit. Vinyasa particularly. Sometimes called Power yoga. Great for your body and mind, not to mention 75% or more of the attendees are babes.

[–]Hjalmbere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds good, ever pull any chicks in yoga class?

[–]dirtysanch points points [recovered]

Starting 5x5. My hammies are problematic, Any particular yoga routines you would recommend?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know why you were downvoted.

Anyway, any kind of beginning yoga will work wonders. Beginning yoga has a massive emphasis on your posterior chain, hips, hip flexors, glutes, etc.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the video posted by pootzen is a fine starting point. i starting going to the classes offered at my gym. did a couple of the gentle yoga sessions to ease my way in and have been doing regular yoga since. The intensity/difficulty will vary by the instructor although none are overwhelmingly hard if you workout regularly. one instructor at my gym like to sync several poses in a row and repeats it multiple times. you'll have to catch your breathe after doing those.

[–]kidwithambition 65 points66 points  (7 children)

The NSFW picture is not you..

https://twitter.com/atlantaselfie1/status/674352782330232833?lang=en

Sorry to end the validation train, but in reality you're still a loser.

[–]throwaway-chemist 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Top kek. OP is faggot confirmed

[–]Schhwing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

confirmed faggot liar, pussy attention seeking validation whore.

[–]fafaedras points points [recovered]

you can't go from this:

http://i.imgur.com/XoWcmcq.jpg

to the above. Different eyebrows, lips, nose. Lmao, me and everyone else just got played

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

lol I believed it too. I just don't get why people would lie about this shit. OP faggot confirmed.

[–]slay_it_forward 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No one goes from androgynous saggy bitch tits to pro bodybuilder without serious gear. His skin would be fucked too but there's no evidence of stretch marks in his 2017 photo.

Weird faggot confirmed indeed.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Damn this really needs higher upvotes. Good catch.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (36 children)

Why is creatine in the same category as steroids?

For anyone lifting or new to lifting, use creatine. It won't hurt to not use it, but creatine is just a supplement to give your muscles more energy and it cannot hurt you. Your muscles already produce and use creatine anyway. That's stuff you learn in bio class in HS or college.

[–]Momentum2 points points [recovered]

Your muscles already produce and use creatine anyway.

Your balls produce steroids, also.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 14 points15 points  (7 children)

A steroid is a hormone. Creatine is used to produce ATP which is an extremely energy rich phosphate binding.

Hormones are signals. Creatine, just like protein, carbs, fats and all micronutrients are just building blocks and can't be comparerd.

[–]marplaneit 9 points10 points  (1 child)

phospho-creatine is used to sintetize ATP*

Proteins/Carbs/Fats are MACRONUTRIENTS. Creatine IS NOT A MACRONUTRIENT.

Gosh learn from a biochem book instead of fucking blogs.

[–]bigmfkr 3 points4 points  (3 children)

A steroid is an organic chemical with four specifically arranged carbon rings in its structure. While many steroids are hormones, many more are not. E.g. cholesterol.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It was pretty obvious that we were talking about testosterone.

[–]simple_mech 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're using the term loosely but steroid in this sense means anabolic steroid.

[–]OlanValesco 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Anyone wondering why it helps should read up on the Phosphocreatine function. It's the process that gets energy to your muscles extremely fast (2-7 seconds). Glycolysis is next at around 10 seconds to 2 minutes, using carbs (glucose) as the energy source. After that is I can't remember what, but it's a slower process and uses fats as the energy source.

The reason why you want the fast acting energy delivery systems is because you're tying to stress your fast twitch fibers, which are the ones that hypertrophy (grow). You're of course doing that by moving a ton of weight as quickly as possible. Your slow twitch fibers don't really hypertrophy, and they're a lot more likely to use the slow, fat-based energy delivery methods. Primarily stressing those isn't bad, it just isn't going to help you bulk (think long distance runners vs sprinters).

tl;dr So all creatine really does that you care about is gives you more fuel for the fast-acting phosphocreatine function, thereby allowing you to stress your hypertrophy-disposed fast twitch fibers a bit more.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Creatine is also cheap as fuck. Seriously. I have been using creatine since 2012 or 2013 and I recommend everyone get it. You get creatine in red meat, but have to eat a fuck ton to get 5 grams.

Creatine is good for everyone whether you are looking to get stronger, lose weight or any other physical goal. It's apparently better for brain function as well.

You can find 1000g of creapure creatine, which is the high quality stuff for around $20-25 and that is 200 SERVINGS, so if you use the recommended 5 grams everyday, it will last you a little over 6 months, which is about 3-4 dollars a month to look better.

[–]sulfate4 points points [recovered]

What happens when you stop taking it? Lose muscle?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't really lose muscle, but you might lose some strength. The gains are worth it and no reason to cycle off of it. Honestly, try it out and see if you like it. On a per serving basis, creatine monohydrate is way cheaper than whey protein or other supplements.

Here is the link to one that I have been using. Just an FYI, this one doesn't come with a scoop, so it's just a teaspoon, like it says on the side. It's only $20 and for 5g a day, lasts over half a year: http://www.inboxfitness.com/universal-nutrition-creatine-1000-g.htm

There are also smaller sizes on other sites or stores if you don't want to buy as much, but $20 isn't much to lose. It is the one supplement I recommend everyone get. Yes, whey protein is great and I take it, but you get protein through diet. It's WAY harder to eat the amount of red meat everyday necessary for 5 or 10 grams. Make sure you hydrate of course and you won't notice results right away, because it takes time for your muscles to be saturated with creatine.

[–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws 16 points17 points  (12 children)

it cannot hurt you

Creatine (monohydrate) can hurt you.
1) It's a heavy load on your kidneys.
2) If you dont drink enough water, you'll fatigue faster and may experience muscle atrophy. And you need to drink a fucking SHIT TON of water if you're on monohydrate.

[–]nolonger34 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Good luck trying to stay away from water when taking creatine...

[–]adam_varg points points [recovered]

  1. It isnt.

  2. Dehydration will fuck you up without creatine too. If you cant control your hydration levels while supplementing you arent able to do so without supps anyway.

[–]nomansapenguin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should go drink some water...

[–]slay_it_forward 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I've heard about potential kidney damage too but is it from long term use at heavy dosages?

[–]CamSandwich 13 points14 points  (0 children)

[–]adam_varg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you are healthy no chance.

[–]b33k3rz points points [recovered]

Guess you shouldn't eat protein either. Gotta take it easy on the kidneys.

lmfao what a joke

[–]elruary 12 points13 points  (4 children)

It's almost like some things are harder on kidneys than other things...

Chill he has a point.

[–]Paranoidexboyfriend 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yet the same people who say "stay away from creatine" are also probably drinking alcohol on a regular basis. That's like hippies who say "stay away from gmos" then eat a bunch of Molly every weekend

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Creatine also lets your muscles store more water which is anabolic in itself.

[–]southernmost 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Creatine CAN hurt you, but if you start small and increase your dosage incrementally, you will most likely be fine. Definitely increase your water intake, and remember that creatine and heavy drinking (or anything that seriously dehydrates you, really) don't mix.

Do not start straight out on the ridiculous megadose the dofus at GNC will try to sell you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, I have learned that the "loading phase" of 20 grams for 5 days is ridiculous and unnecessary on your body. In the long run, just do 5 grams of creatine everyday and it's not necessary to cycle off.

If you do want to saturate muscles fast, then do 10 grams for 10 days initially, with 5 grams taken at two different times during the day.

With regards to GNC, I cringe when people buy their wheybolic protein. That stuff is so overpriced, it's ridiculous. Way cheaper whey proteins out there at good prices.

[–]reigorius 43 points44 points  (24 children)

The one thing about dad bods is once the fat is stripped away, there is an underlying muscled dude just waiting there. I really appreciate your effort and it commands respect. But for the skinny ones out there, it's a different story to get to the same level.

[–]LightningMcBiceps 15 points16 points  (0 children)

[–]p3n1x 20 points21 points  (4 children)

it's a different story to get to the same level.

Bullshit.

Hard work is hard work. If you mentally make your situation "special", you won't get anywhere.

There are Keto diets for packing on mass via surplus calories.

[–]reigorius 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You're partly right. But the starting scenario's are undeniable different and the losing fat is easier than gaining muscle mass. Hard work is still hard work in gaining muscles, I'm the last to deny that. But don't confuse the different body types you're born with.

[–]WinterlsCumming 9 points10 points  (17 children)

I agree with you. I'm about 6'1" and have been skinny most of my life so far (in currently 22). I started working out last year and improvements have been slow, but I am starting to see results now. The thing I suffer from the most is that I've got "chicken legs" from my dad and naturally being skinny lol

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah most guys who grew up fat typically have huge legs/ calves just do to their leg muscles having to work that much harder to support more weight overtime vs guys who grew up skinny/skinny fat and just started lifting. Its gonna be a lot more challenging for you to put more muscle on your legs.

[–]slay_it_forward 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I have skinny calves. Fucking impossible to make them grow. No androgen receptors. Also you probably have a small frame. You can tell by ankle and wrist size.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. When we small framed dudes get fat it looks awful. At 5'9" & 152#'s I'm muscular enough to have a seat at the table....I just own being the wiry strong guy, and it works with my hobbies anyway. At 190#'s of fat, everything hurt, especially being looked at.

[–]gerannu 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What if you have a large frame i.e. really broad shoulder's, but you have small wrists and ankles, is that just a quirk of genetics?

[–]I_dontevenlift 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i think this is what happened to me... Large clavicle bones but tiny wrists :/ im 6 4 tho

[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Throw on some heeled boots and run giant game

[–]DoubleT06 points points [recovered]

Have you tried any protein powder weight gainers?

[–]Trump_Reddits 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Same but girls don't care about that.

[–]Bochichon 3 points4 points  (4 children)

The bigger you get the more they crack about it.

[–]Trump_Reddits 6 points7 points  (2 children)

This is true, I meant in terms of actually getting with women though, it doesn't matter. I agree though, I was jacked in college and I always got shit for it but it's easy to brush of when you know they like it.

[–]Bochichon 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, you're right. That's why your state of mind is important to always keep up with the new reality otherwise you may end up big af but the first joke on chicken legs or whatever can send you sobbing to the gym smashing your calves like they owed you rent.

[–]Trump_Reddits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Completely agree with you brotha. State of mind (frame) is paramount.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not about the calves specifically but its about the shape of your frame, having calves gives your physique and overall better more proportional look.

[–]OmegaMan2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the insulting things girls talk about is that guy with "chicken legs" who tried to pick them up. Inadvertently heard my daughter trash this guy to her girl friends.

[–]NibblyPig 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Excellent post, thank you. Stuff like this motivates me more than anything.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Used to be in the same boat, but saw another poster realise that OP lied about his final pic lol. This is the original pic that he stole: https://twitter.com/atlantaselfie1/status/674352782330232833?lang=en

[–]MrAnderzon 15 points16 points  (66 children)

I would want to know your workout plan. But mostly what your diet is.

[–]A_sexy_black_man 43 points44 points  (17 children)

Imgur uploaded the pics in reverse order, workout starts at bottom of each link.

Leg Day

Shoulder Day

Chest Day

Arm Day

Back Day

Meal plan, I gotta be honest I eat what I want. I'm not into candy and sweets but I will fuck up a burger and some fries. The only thing I really pay attention to is my carb intake. If I know I'm not going to lift within a few hours after eating a lot of those, I won't eat them.

Not really helpful I know but I got you!

A friend of mine who personal trains made my brother a very in depth meal plan awhile ago, I know it can be beneficial to many. Here's a drop box link. My brothers goal was to bulk as cleanly as possible starting from around 165. He's about 195 now and rock solid.

Good luck make me proud.

[–]Paraknight points points [recovered]

Jesus, how long do you spend at the gym? I only go about three times a week and definitely don't have the time to do all that. What would you say are the most important? I see some things in there that seem to target the same groups in slightly different ways.

[–]purduered 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Life is about managing your time via trade offs in your decision making. When you say you don't have the time, that means you value something else more in those other 4 days. Everyone has different goals, but if you want to see get as big as op, 3 days in the gym are never going to cut it.

[–]MrAnderzon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Saved. these almost all the same exercises in do.

[–]innominating 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I assume you lift 5 days a week. On average, how long are you at the gym?

[–]harsha_hs 6 points7 points  (6 children)

If I know I'm not going to lift within a few hours after eating a lot of those, I won't eat them.

Fantastic, checks out science. Eat carbs only when you need energy instantly.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 5 points6 points  (5 children)

This is wrong. As long as your muscle glycogen levels are not full, most of it will be stored as muscle glycogen before being stored in fat cells. It's not like your body is going to take glycogen from muscles and store it as fat. It does that if your muscle glycogen levels are already full and you eat carbs, just like pooring water into a full glass

[–]Kalidane 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. People would benefit by understanding that muscles serve as important energy stores. No harm in topping them up.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes but IF you're on a cut which is what OP and most people are probably more concerned about, if you don't eat enough carbs to fuel your body (depending on the amount of your deficit) you don't want your body burning muscle for energy.

And to concern your original comment yes its true but that's only if your lifting and giving your body a reason to store it as muscle, if you are not lifting and using those muscles your body is not gonna store it there it will just be stored as fat for energy to be used later on. Our bodies have adapted overtime to store fat because it wants to horde as much fat (fuel) as possible incase it needs it in times of famine as a fail safe. You need to give your body a reason to feed your muscles, otherwise its just gonna do the bare minimum to maintain so it can store as much fat as possible.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you are on a cut your main concern is eating less calories than you burn, not whetever you are eating your all your carbs 2 hours before training and nothing the rest of the day. I you eat more carbs at one point of the day,you are more likely to overfill your muscle glycogen and store some as fat then later burn that fat because you need more calories than you stored in your muscles for an entire day. If you spread it more out you don't store as much in your fat cells. Yes, you will burn less fat but you are also going to store less, so you fat stored - fat burned is going to be the same.

If you drink 2l of water a day and fill up your glass with 1 dl every 45 minutes while awake your glass won't ever be full. Now if you don't fill up any water in you glass you but still drink the same water you get that water from somewhere else(fat storages). The thing here is that when you try to poor 2l of water in your glass all at once, it's going to overfill and start refilling your storages (fat storages).

It's about how many carbs and calories you eat, not so much about when you eat them. It also takes more than 2-3 hours to refill your glycogen levels,so eating like that is going to affect your workout performance too.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are on a cut your main concern is eating less calories than you burn

I never didn't imply that at all. That's 100% the most important thing. I'm speaking from personal experience if I don't eat carbs at least 1-2 hours before my workout my workouts are typically shitty as fuck (I work out after work). And a shitty workout means I'm not burning as much calories. So when I'm cutting like I am right now I'll eat 3-4 rice cakes about an hour before I lift and its been all gravy. I don't get that light headed feeling, or out of energy feeling. It works for me. Everything else is pretty negligible as long as your overall calorie deficit is in check and consistent throughout the week.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a ton of volume. But hey, looks like it worked

[–]Momentum2 points points [recovered]

[–]TheRedManFromRussia 31 points32 points  (24 children)

Lmao at the downvotes. Op answered that he doesn't even look after his diet and you think he got the body in the last picture without steroids? Delusional people.

[–]Momentum2 points points [recovered]

To be honest, I don't view using steroids or gear or whatever else someone wants, as long as they are informed about it. I have a couple of friends who do, but we don't bullshit each other.

It's just funny to me that this is still a taboo issue.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (11 children)

What most of us fitness enthusiast hate is people on gear insisting they're natty and giving people shitty routines and diet plans, which will eventually lead to frustration and quiting lifting because they don't get the results they expected.

[–]Koryphae_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Exactly. And when referring to red pill mindset which should be self-growth, then using steroids to boost your body seems at first glance like hiding behind another thing to get the confidence up. I mean you can achieve perfectly fine body without using any steroids so why overcompensate by getting bigger muscles?

[–]landon042 points points [recovered]

was going to comment something about tren lol then I saw this.

Op is 100% on tren. a natty has to count all his shit.

being ops size on tren, he could pack away 4k cals most likely 5k+ getting his protein and fast food. and stay lean.

not discredditing his hard work like the general population that doesn't know shit and thinks steroids are cheating, but damn thought trp was a little smarter, steroids are the norm now.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

100% on tren? Lmao and you know this how? OP doesn't have that grainy, really thick vascular look people who are on Tren generally have. He looks like a guy who's been consistent about the gym and has slightly above average BBC genetics.

[–]slay_it_forward 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's not taboo. No one cares if op is juicing but he lied anyway so he deserves to be called out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Word. Saying you didn't use gear just gives beta-Bill unrealistic expectations. I've been consistently working out for 4 years and my natural maximum isn't anywhere close where OP got in <5 years time.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OP doesn't even look that jacked. Yeah he's big but by bodybuilding standards and if he was on roids he could look A LOT better. Gym pump plus good lighting can really alter a physique. Nothing in OP's physique says to me, damn that's unachievable natty, at all. Its just your hamster at work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he's kind of fat in a way, so it's not that hard to get to naturally. if he was big and shredded, then you might be right.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (18 children)

I bet OPs ass is covered with trackmarks, no one can get that ripped natty, especially with a "just watch carbs" diet and the workout plan he posted.

All that aside tho trenbolone is a helluva drug, lifetime worth of natty gains in under a year, I wish more people knew about it so they dont get fooled by roiders that easily

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

How dangerous is tren though?? Health concerns have always stopped me from using

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

So let me first say that not only tren is the strongest single steroid out there, it is also the most side effect free too. Its literally the perfect steroid and most people dont need to add other stuff unless they wanna achive guerilla mode (which almost all chicks find disgusting anyways)

(note you do need to take testostorne with tren because when you're on tren your body doesnt make testosterone and you'll be extremely lethargic)

Basically it will amplify problems you already have, or are genticallt predisposed to (it is recommended you don't do a cycle until youre 25 so everything hormonal has settled down and all the problems have come out), a shortlist of these problems off the top of my head : male pattern baldness (you'll look like what you were gonna look like in 10 years), genetic heart conditions, high blood pressure due to a condition you have, excessive sweating especially at nights, sleep problems and insomnia, anxiety. If you already have a bad enough case of any of these, tren will make it worse, or if you have anger management issues, you'll experience the famous roid rage, if you already having a hard time getting it up, tren will make it impossible, bad livers from being an alcoholic or something else is also not good. Finally there's another smaller concern that is tren cough. Its when you accidentally shoot it in your blood and not muscle. You'll cough like there's a fist in your lungs and the worst cough of your life will last for 10 minutes. (shooting in in your ass makes the chamces of this happening almost zero, as opposed to shooting in your quads or something)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Thanks a lot for the info, seems like something you would only want to risk if you were making money out of it (athlete, bodybuilder etc) I'll just stick to natural.

[–]shockred 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its when you accidentally shoot it in your blood and not muscle.

You can avoid this by aspirating (pulling back) the syringe after the stab. If it gets blood in the syringe, you're in a blood vessel and should either go deeper or shallower, or stab again. If it gets nothing (vacuum, the syringe goes back "on its own") you're in muscle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its just that there is so much disinformation and misdirection out there in training advice that people think getting a muscular frame of any size means steroids.

[–]CrayonStur 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Well done mate! You're a beast. I'm 30 just about to start going to the gym for the first time in my life. Posts like yours inspires me a lot.

[–]n900mixalot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Stay inspired but be realistic. At around 30 we start to change and it becomes harder to make miracle transformations like this. So push yourself, stretch like he says, and watch out for sweets! You can do it!

[–]bourbanog 5 points6 points  (11 children)

I've been doing Keto + IF over the last 2 months and had decent results. Started at 6'3 116kg, 2-3 days a week I only eat a small dinner of bacon and eggs and no other calories. Other days I pretty much eat what I want as long as I stay under 50g of carbs. So far I am down to 109kg, not necessarily fast weightloss but losing weight over Christmas, new years and a 2 week holiday is excellent.

I think diet >> exercise for weight loss so I'm just doing some cycling and golf. In a few months once I get under 100kg I'm going to hit the gym again and start building muscle.

Not really a reply to OP but got me thinking about my own diet, and also how I can't be fucked doing 35 sets in the gym every day. I'll probably do something more basic like a 5x5 when I go back.

[–]swiddie points points [recovered]

Lifting is like investing in the stock market, or planting a tree. If you didn't do it yesterday, the best day to do it is today.

[–]bourbanog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, however given that I am not really interested in increasing my strength and endurance my purpose would be for building visible muscle. My understanding is that lifting while eating in deficit is beneficial for maintaining strength, endurance and burning calories during and after the workout. It's very difficult to put on muscle mass while in a caloric deficit. Some beginners can however put on muscle while losing weight.

Anyway, yeah excuses excuses. There's lot's of shit that I should be doing but I need to pick my battles to focus my energy on. Fasting/keto is working well and as I progress further I can keep adding more into my routine and taking out bad stuff.

[–]miledd points points [recovered]

What's 'IF' abbreviation of? Can't find this anywhere haha.

[–]notevenneo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Intermittent fasting. TLDG: only eating within a 4-8 hour period each day. Typically 2-3 large meals

[–]TrueFacets 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Great Post, great report! Thank You!

You are the perfect example, you show that it is possible to turn yourself around completely!

TRP works and we know that, in our heads at least. For guys who are not confident and/or who have anxiety it is really hard to actually believe that they can change.

Examples like these are proof that, no matter how difficult your situation is, you can change yourself!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Examples like these are proof

No, here is proof that OP is a faggot. Blatantly stole this pic for his 'NSFW' shot and tried to pretend that it was him lmao

[–]Jakei34 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My reaction from the first to the second picture was literally "No way." Exactly what I said a loud.

The amount of work you put in to get to where you are just demands respect. Keep at it.

[–]Gaia_Knight2600 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is fake.

pic is from here: https://twitter.com/atlantaselfie1/status/674352782330232833

Its posted in 2015 but you claim its from 2017.

[–]Gwoas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well done, OP ! Your story is really inspiring. You just convinced me I really need to hit the gym, not that I'm fat or anything, but rather for the strong mind that will come with it.

[–]Scandinavianredpill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amazing post mate, amazing transformation. I feel happy for ya!. Reason I think most guys don't want to share pictures of themselves on these sites is because there is a witch hunt on redpill minded guys in society. I wouldn't feel well if somebody found a picture of me posing on a site like this. the average Joe or Garl hate our mindset lige the plague.

[–]xenthios[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks man. Big inspiration and I appreciate the breakdown of the pluses of being a muscly dude. I also appreciate that you're a coder, because now I relate even more ;-)

[–]Popular-Culture points points [recovered]

Good post, but I have a strong suspicion that you take/took tren or some other substance. Nothing wrong with that, but you're misleading lots of people when you say you didn't pay attention to your diet and just watched carbs. You can't achieve your physique naturally while "crushing a burger and fries." It just doesn't work like that.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Upvoted because I completely agree.

I call bullshit on that. You can't eat whatever you want and still maintain a solid physique. It's one thing to cheat every now and then, but going completely care free? Not going to work.

I am in the middle of a slow lean bulk right now and any time I go out of bounds it knocks me off track.

[–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Goddamn, dude. That is fucking work. Good for you.

[–]Bloo4M points points [recovered]

I would fucking kill to be "fat" and do this.

Being skinny and trying to transform into this is fucking irritating.

Give me a salad and eating better as opposed to "Eat till you wanna puke, feel bloated all the time, then eat some more!"

I can hit the gym every other day, lift as heavy as I can, eat a nutritious 3 meals a day...but still cant push myself to ram food down my throat and feel my body just wanna puke it back up..

[–]mexicanbeast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should treat eating food as getting stronger. You start each week eating a little more than the previous. This way you wont feel like you want to puke and in a few weeks/months, youll be eating a ton without even blinking an eye. Watch vídeos of stan efferding on youtube. He talks about this very well

[–]PissedPajamas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yo mad props on the transformation, but how did you handle all that volume per session?? How long were your workouts? I'm cutting rn and after 45 min and 8 exercises at 4x10 I'm smoked

P.S. Im not doubting your gains but if you seriously rode the bike let us know, you don't wanna give false hope to people in this thread. Either way you did something amazing with your body and if that's what steroids do I'm sold on starting a cycle

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jealous but also respect. Good for you mate, every time I see a fat dude I think there's a hulk underneath all of that if he just had the pills to follow through.

[–]LidlKwark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sickening gains bro. Solid post. Still need to implement stretching in my daily routine.

[–]billsmashole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd like to add to the stretching tip and say that it's also a good idea to get massages and go see a chiropractor. Lifting can be hard on your body.

[–]Pot93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Impressive progress, you should be proud.

What stretching routine are you doing currently?

[–]IliketoeatAMA 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Man. I've been going to the gym for ages now, i think you should note everyone that chicks don't magically start to fuck you just because you go to the gym or look like it. I look good, but i get no game at all. It's how you present yourself as well.

[–]Papahoff25 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hey I don't see a lot of sources on stretching here , have any of the regimens you go through? Or is it just pre workout stretch?

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Google Dynamic vs. Static stretching. Build your own routine. You are the only one that knows what body parts are strong/weak and what parts feel good/hurt.

[–]Futon_Rasenshuriken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds a bit like myself last year. 255 to 220. Unfortunately I messed up and gained my weight back. Now I'm picking myself back up. At least this time, I know exactly what to do.

[–]Chahhhles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a fellow black dude who codes who also follows the ways of Brodin, I salute you sir!

I'll have to admit that this is exactly how this plays out. Currently I'm 190 with a 675lb deadlift, and because of that, I run into people all of the time when I'm out who want to buy me drinks and whatnot. It's insane, and I almost feel bad accepting them.

Currently I'm going monk mode due to visceral rage talking to women on a sexual level. I can't bring myself to escalate much past the light-hearted flirt because I often find myself disgusted by them, though I'm physically attracted to the cheeks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn bro. Massive gains - big props!!

[–]Idunnowhy2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome job!

I'm less interested in your workout plan than how hard you pushed yourself doing that plan. Did you go to failure? Were you worn out after each workout?

[–]carolinageorgee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it more efficent to work out like this? Or the strong lifts compound exc?

[–]econdweeb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great success story. Plus seems like your humble about it as well.

[–]justifier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I prefer the term leader. When you workout and look like it, congratulations you have put yourself in a category that is shrinking every year. You command respect without even saying a word.

Spot on with my recent experience of getting back into shape post knee-op. Moved in with two long time buddies, one lifted semi regularly, one not at all. I transgressed my rehab program into being able to lift again regularly. As I began to see results and started to re-mold my body from the flaccid heap it had become due to muscular atrophy, they too wanted in on what I was doing.

Both of them now lift with me regularly, I go about 6 times a week and at least one of them if not both join depending on our schedules. I went from a soft 200 lbs to a solid 222 in a little over 4 months and the social results resound in tune with OP. My roommates look up to me for guidance on diet, fitness, relationship advice, and work advice. I get looks from women that I wouldn't have before and even have some approach me. Currently I am spinning 2 plates and talking to a 3rd potential. Prior to getting back into lifting hard I had zero.

The proof is in the pudding. You lift, you gain muscle, you gain confidence, improve frame, and attract women, friends, and respect!

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post. I'll have the give the point about stretching some thought, too.

"if you're a guy and you throw some shade at me, I brush that shit off like Jay Z, I'll laugh it off every time"

LOL this is true - I no longer am bothered by petty men or cunt women very much any more. It's like you begin to think differently and understand things in life as your values & priorities have changed. It really makes it easy to differentiate between other men you should give your time & attention to and those who want to drain you of your positive feelings - and they fail, because you're on another level.

[–]Tengu_The_Kenku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Commenting here so I can reference the workout plan.

You have a great mindset by the way. Great TRP post.

[–]Comeandseemeforonce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd recommend doing a very light weight high rep set for the exercise you're supposed to do instead of stretching. "Warming up" your muscles should not be stretching, if you do want to strength do it after the light weight set. This way you won't risk pulling a muscle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have wanting to include stretching in my workouts but I don't know any proper routine! Do you know of any good routine to include with calisthenics? Thanks

[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's an impressive transformation. I've just the opposite, I've always been skinny, and trying to pack on muscle. I've been working out for about 8 or 9 months now and seeing some great results.

[–]dodiat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a brilliant transformation. Goes to show anyone can become a beast when they put the work in.

[–]Dio_Brando_Joestar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you don't eat carbs a few hours before lifting or after?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now a days you really can't tell me shit. And what I mean by that is, if you're a guy and you throw some shade at me, I brush that shit off like Jay Z, I'll laugh it off every time.

I talk shit to people as a way to break the ice. Nothing to serious or mean; think back handed compliments and what not. I've noticed that people in the gym or men with their shit together are much more perceptive to friendly jabs that ripple in other settings.

[–]johnVanDijk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is absolutely amazing OP! Thanks a lot for sharing. I am a fat guy at the moment but have recently lost 12 pounds in a couple of months by hitting the gym and trying ti eat healthy. Could you help out a bit by sharing what you did in the initial stages of your journey? How quick was your progress, how you kept yourself motivated and what your diet looked like? Did your motivation improve when you started getting some results? When you were in a bad patch, if ever, how did you bounce back?

[–]tempjewman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats, always awesome to see another brotha making progress.

I've been on a cut for a while now. Similar situation as you. I grew up being pretty fat. Since getting my fitness on track, I lost a lot of weight. My overall plan was to cut until I have defined abs and no gut. Then develop a solid bulk/cut routine.

I'm getting close but have some fat leftover. Guessing 10 pounds will finish it. Currently sitting at 5'9/150. It is a bit frustrating to not make significant muscle gains. I lift 4 times/week with 2 days of 5k runs, and each day usually 2-3k runs.

When did you make the transition between stopping the cut and beginning to bulk? Any tips on getting rid of the last bits of fat? For me, it's on the hips and lower abs.

[–]slurmfactory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing post. I started taking L-Carnetine a few months ago, and have gotten a good bit stronger. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/11-super-side-effects-from-taking-l-carnitine.html

I also started switching up my workouts and doing max repx1, 10 sec rest, maxrepx1 and just sitting on it and its an insane workout.

Awesome post tho man, got me hyped to keep growing and doing it right, working my ass off.

[–]Docbear64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good Shit . I have recently entered my own personal monk mode to focus on hopefully achieving similar results to you . I just took up boxing classes, bought a small quiet personal punching bag I use for some good cardio exercises at home and have re-committed to Keto .

This is super motivational . Hoping to have a similar story as yours to share soon .

[–]rubenbrasil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love this.

However something stood out to me. You said hobbies will make a bitch stick around. I disagree. Hobbies are important but not vital to attraction. As long as one has high SMV and fucks them dominantly and rough, she will keep coming back.

She doesnt need to know where you work, what you do on your spare time, she doesnt need to even hang out with you outside your bedroom. Just need high SMV and a rough fuck. Assuming this is a plate/FWB relationship and all both parties do is text each other for a booty call, fuck, then depart ways.

So when that HB8 left you after the first time, it wasnt because of your lack of hobby. It was because she saw you as replaceable via SMV/fuck game. Sorry that may sound harsh, but its just the sidebar shit we read on TRP. We understand a bitch will fuck a guy she absolutely hates and has nothing in common with given he has a higher SMV and fucks and treats her like a ragdoll

Edit: You may be a higher SMV now then when it happened, so this may no longer be the case

[–]saultodamascus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post and thanks for providing the motivation to other members, but I always have to speak up when there's disinformation.

This one is really just a gym tip. Fucking stretch. STRETCH. STRETCH.

This is requires clarification. Static stretching (touch your toes for 30 seconds) is not the same as dynamic stretching. Being flexible per se is not necessary, and you only need to be flexible to the extent that you can go through the range of motion for the exercise. This means your stretching should be only so that your muscles/tendons aren't so tight that they tear/break. Think of it like a rubber band. If a rubber band isn't flexible enough to stretch to the appropriate level, it snaps. But if it stretches too much, it loses strength. Primitive analogy, but it's fine for our purposes here. Dynamic stretching = best = warming up with light weight so you you're not stiff. Also, warm muscles = more productive muscles.

*Dynamic Stretching > Static Stretching *Only stretch to the extent need to complete the ROM for an exercise (eg you need to be able to squat to parallel) *Source: I'm done studying the NSCA trainer text book cover-to-cover, and will be taking the test soon. My opinions are based on peer-reviewed PhD research, not broscience. Look it up yourself if you have doubts.

[–]slickslacksluck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great gains. I also lost a lot of weight but unfortunately that pretty much translated into having some loose skin. You don't seem to have had that problem?

[–]Auphor_Phaksache[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro I'm sitting on the couch with a fucked up neck from MT clinching. Fucking STRETCH!

[–]StoicBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What cycle did you run bro? I know you want the fame but this is The Red Pill, help a fellow.

[–]africansn0w 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Who the fuck deleted this and why, this was a damn good post

[–]Aarxnw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cause it was fake, and that's fucked up cause it was a really good post.

Shining example of why you should be wary of some of the shit on this subreddit, there's some useful and genuine looking shit on here but come to find out an hour later, despite how modest and humble it seemed, despite how much it sounded like it was written by someone who genuinely wanted to help others, it was just a fake post.

[–]Masterleek 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What happened to all the info?! Can we still get the meal plan links?

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