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Blue Pill ExampleUser in Catholic subreddit's wife admits to having had an abortion, later comments reveal she also cheated on him. Many commenters urge him to forgive his wife (self.TheRedPill)

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When this guy originally posted, he was distraught to find out that his wife of five years secretly had an abortion a year into their marriage. She claimed "finances" were the reason she had the abortion.

Her reason was our finances. But that doesn't really fly with me because we could have taken care of our baby and our parents would certainly have helped us if we asked. She does show regret.

Of course this is a stupid reason, and a few of the comments said that she likely cheated on him. And lo and behold:

She cheated on me too

Despite these developments, a fair number of comments were shaming OP for wanting to do anything besides take her back in open arms like nothing happened.

Leave her?! You're Catholic, for goodness sake! Talk to your priest, talk to Jesus, talk to her but for the LOVE OF GOD don't even let divorce into your mind. That's you talking to Satan. Best of luck and God bless! I will pray for you tonight.

well not sure why you're so offended by her sin while you're planning your own. Honestly, her sin is between her and God. It's not your job to judge her. I understand being sad about the loss of your child but to judge her so harshly that you would divorce her is pretty low. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Please do not leave her, OP. With this on her soul she needs you more than ever. Help her work towards forgiveness. You have the unique position as her husband to guide her to where she needs to be.

There will always be white knights in any thread like this, but what's concerning is that not all of these comments were downvoted, as some of them have double digit positive comment scores. It pisses me off that people are claiming that OP is as bad as his wife just for thinking about leaving her when she cheated on him and had an abortion.

This one comment seemed to talk some sense into OP, I hope he listens to it:

[OP], I read your post and followup comments where you admitted that your wife also cheated on you. My advice: seek out an annulment immediately. This should be easy because she's already broken two of the requirements of the marriage: pledging loyalty to your spouse until death, and being open to children. At first, she blamed finances for aborting the child, but trickle truth later revealed the purpose of the abortion was to cover up an affair, so you have to wonder, what else is she hiding from you? How many other men besides the one she admitted has she slept with throughout the duration of your marriage? I know this is difficult for you and you may be tempted to forgive her, as you have been married to her for five years and you likely felt you've had an otherwise happy marriage, but you are only setting yourself up for further anger and grief if you stay with her. From the fact that she cheated on you, it's clear she doesn't respect you. How can you trust this woman to be the mother of your child when it's so clear she has no respect for human life? What if she cheats on you again, gets pregnant, and dupes you into raising the milkman's kid? Get an annulment, and get an STD test since she's admitted to sleeping with other men while you were still married and presumably sexually active. I know this is tough to swallow, but it is for the best, and you will regret it later down the road if you don't. [OP], you're in my prayers, and I wish the best for you.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I like how this poster also raised the point that it's likely she will cheat again and OP will end up raising Chad's fucktrophy. Unfortunately, some other comment wrote a story too long to quote here about how his wife cheated on him some years back, and he forgave her and is now all dopey and happy since they have a kid, and there's a photo in the post of the cuck and his whore of a wife. OP's response is just sad:

I was laying here ready to call a divorce attorney in the morning until I read this. You have a beautiful family. And if I can take a picture like that for myself one day, I think this all will have been worth it.

So despite his wife admitting to cheating and covering it up with an abortion, he's willing to raise a family with her? I really hope OP rereads some of the more level-headed comments and gets the balls to leave his whore of a wife. Additionally, it really concerns me that divorce is painted as something so evil and sinful, yet they're telling OP to overlook his wife's adultery and abortion.

I'm Catholic, but shit like this really pisses me off. I worry that if I ever get married in the future and my wife were to cheat on me, I might have an asshole priest that refuses to grant an annulment. Fuck that, if I was in that situation, I would leave the church before being a cuckold. Between this and the pope downplaying the problem with fundamental Islamic terrorism, I'm really getting fed up with the church.


[–][deleted] 114 points115 points  (37 children)

The "I will pray for you" is a toxic method people use to manipulate others that disagree with them. Isn't adultery is grounds for a divorce in the Bible?

Its his choice if he wants to stay in this, but the guy is taking a huge risk of the kids not being his. She already aborted one child that may or may not have been his.

[–]Gawernator 96 points97 points  (34 children)

Yes, adultery is pretty much the only reason allowable to be divorced biblically. That's why these white knights are so hilarious, they're so stupid they don't even know their own religion.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 35 points36 points  (30 children)

Catholicism has been cucked since Vatican II. The various Popes in recent decades have completely skewed the meaning of biblical passages in order to tell naive church goers that it's A-OK to get fucked over because that's what Jesus wanted. Nonsense.

I'm not religious now but I was raised catholic and read the bible enough to know that this lovely dovey forgive everyone schtick the church pushes is contrary to what the bible actually says. Hell even Jesus says in Luke 22: "if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one". The bible preaches being forgiving yes, but it also preaches resisting evil by any means necessary.

Additionally the translation of the bible into English often gives different meanings from the Latin verses. The Vatican intentionally limits the actual bible readings in Church to very strict out of context passages called "readings" that are 2-5 paragraphs long, then has the Priest spends 15 minutes extrapolating out the meaning of those paragraphs to fit some cucked agenda.

What's sad is that well meaning catholics don't realize that Pope Francis is a globalist who wants to open the gates of Europe to Islam in order to undermine the west. It's why Eastern Europe basically told him to GTFO and they all attend to Orthodox churches. It's also why Western Christians are so cucked while Eastern Christians actually have character.

[–]Gawernator 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Well said. The pope is a total cuck.

[–]tio1w 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Here is a sentence I never thought I'd read.

:)

[–]Matapatapa 1 point2 points  (25 children)

What would he get out of opening the gates to Islam?

Btw I love how some people pretend Islam is either the scum of the earth or something that's very victimised. More or less speaking, it has the same stuff in both.

They are both Abrahamic religions for God's sake.

[–]Gawernator 3 points4 points  (24 children)

Logical fallacy. The similarities are very superficial at most. Remember that time in the last hundred years where Jews or Catholics went on a beheading, suicide vest and child sex slave spree? Me neither

[–]Matapatapa -1 points0 points  (23 children)

Superficial?

They share the same God.

They share the same prophets ( except Muhammad )

Jesus is referenced in the Quran many times.

They share names of VIPs ( or are very close )

They both originated in the middle East.

Islam explicitly references Christianity multiple times and refers to people of other Abrahamic religions as "people of the book"

in the Gospel of John (chapters 14 to 16), Jesus speaks about the coming of the “Spirit of Truth”

How daft do you have to be, or how much mental gymnastics do you have to do to not see the relations?

I'm not advocating you convert to either, but the interconnects are beyond obvious.

Logical fallacy. The similarities are very superficial at most. Remember that time in the last hundred years where Jews or Catholics went on a beheading, suicide vest and child sex slave spree? Me neither

Two problems here.

Time in the last hundred years

Red herring and irrelevant. We are comparing religions, not their followers.

beheading, suicide vest and child sex slave spree? Me neither

Completely irrelevant , what you've done here is make a straw man and then use a red herring on top.

Beheading...Yes. suicide vests did not exist then. Child sex slave spree? Go look at some Christian priests, or the Pope's cover up of rampant pediophillia in Orthodox Churches and their priests.

And there are also plenty of pedophilias in Islamic madrassas too. Before you start arguing that I'm biased.

[–]Vapeo 9 points10 points  (10 children)

No they don't share the same God. Both are similar and monotheistic but don't believe what Muslims will tell you.

So what if Jesus is referenced in the Quran. He is also referenced in a million other fictional books. Also their descriptions are slightly different. But thats nitpicking.

They are related alot because Mohammed copied Christians to seem more authentic.

But dont make the mistake of conflating them.

I hate organized bullshit in general, but try to be objective dude.

Peace

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    [–]zemekis -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    You say that as if the rest of them aren't bullshit as well.

    [–]Matapatapa -1 points0 points  (6 children)

    No they don't share the same God. Both are similar and monotheistic but don't believe what Muslims will tell you.

    Alright. Disprove it then ( that they are related , in both background, scripture, and Deity ) . That's how the scientific method works. But since this isent Science all we have is the core texts from each imaginary sky pixie; and we are stuck with that.

    So what if Jesus is referenced in the Quran. He is also referenced in a million other fictional books. Also their descriptions are slightly different. But thats nitpicking.

    We aren't talking about a million other books, we are only talking about direct core scripture of each religion. And in one of them there is a wealth of related content. I understand the point you are making, but in Islam acknowledgement of the previous prophets is a core foundation; so it does hold significant weight that Jesus is mentioned. It basically means that Islam claims Christianity to be true ( or close )

    They are related alot because Mohammed copied Christians to seem more authentic.

    Cannot be proven. Could be true or false. A statement like that has no backing. I could say that Jesus copied or took elements from Judaism and made up his own magical book of drivel; but that again cannot be proven.

    I hate organized bullshit in general, but try to be objective dude.

    I gave a objective analysis of your post. I couldn't find any evidence to disprove my theory ( not to say that my theory is absolutely concrete either )

    Peace

    Thanks for keeping it civil and polite.

    [–]muh_posts 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    each imaginary sky pixie

    Downvoted for being all hurrrr/atheism

    [–]Matapatapa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Downvoted for being all hurrrr/atheism

    Good stuff. Have an upvote. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    [–]Bendz57 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    The scientific method is certainly not built on disproving shit. No one wins an argument by saying you're wrong and I'm right if you can't disprove me.

    [–]Matapatapa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    The scientific method is certainly not built on disproving shit. No one wins an argument by saying you're wrong and I'm right if you can't disprove me.

    Except, it is based on disproving things. Then it is based in proving then afterwards.

    My theory can't be disproved, but since there is no objective proof it cannot be proven 100% either, which I'm sure I said multiple times in my previous post.

    The only thing I have is information suggesting that my theory is true, and none suggesting that it is not.

    Make of it what you will.

    [–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (11 children)

    No, just no. You're grasping for straws and also making false claims like "the same God"

    [–]Matapatapa 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    No, just no. You're grasping for straws and also making false claims like "the same God"

    Denial, or just willful ignorance is what you are guilty of.

    Alright, instead of sitting in denial provide me proof that they aren't related. Of course, we are talking about the religions and scripture, not the followers.

    But from a 3rd party perspective , all the proof is there. Stop looking at it through spectacles tinted with your personal religion and views.

    You might as well start saying that Christianity and Judaism are not related.

    From Islam's POV, they are defiantly related. From Christianitys POV there is definately plenty evidence , however some of it is open ended and not concrete.

    Taking those two into account, I can say they are related to at least a degree.

    Why do you think they all are classified as Abrahamic religions? Even by those impartial to either.

    [–]Gawernator -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    Christian's worship Jesus as their God, muslims worship Allah. It's pretty simple

    [–]Matapatapa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Christian's worship Jesus as their God, muslims worship Allah. It's pretty simple

    Learn your own religion. Jesus never explicitly stated that he was god, the most he said is "I and the father are one". So there is both a god and a Jesus, in Christianity, and both at essence are the same. Hence, there are two entities that are seperate, but have a shared essence.

    So you worship Jesus = same as god = is god.

    In Arabic the world "Allah" striaght up means god.

    What you are basically doing is trying to take words from two languages that mean the same thing, and because they are different words claim them to be different.

    Are you aware of the concept of synonyms?

    If you also want to go further, in Islam their God has 99 seperate names. Does that mean that there are 99 gods?

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What about all the Arab Christians and Jews who also use the term 'Allah' ?

    [–]Matapatapa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Thanks for the downvote. I guess the debate challenged/triggered you a bit too much.

    [–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    There's no debate. You're totally off the topic of the post anyways. Stop derailing the thread trying to talk about some catholic vs Muslim nonsense

    [–]Matapatapa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Then debate me instead of trying to shut it down.

    Also, you chose to reply to my.original post. It's on your head, not mine.

    If this was irrelevant, the mods would have removed it. But they haven't.

    Stop finding excuses to avoid the discussion.

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    It's the same God, dude. Ask the Jews.

    Problem is, Christianity can't even explain God to begin with. Period.

    They gave up and called it a 'Mystery' (oy vey)

    [–]MrAlmostAfro -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Quite true.Islam,Christianity and Judaism shares the same God(except Christianity has distorted this by claiming Jesus is His son etc).Islam is seen as a reformation and last rendition of the same religion as the other Abrahamic religions.Also,wasnt Anders Breivik and the KKKChristian. Moreover,our hatred blinds us to the good the Muslims have brought to the world, in the form of the development of the sciences,art,poetry and culture in the past .Source:knowledgable but not religious person

    [–]useyourmouth 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Seriously fuck. this. shit. I am a Catholic, and I fail to see how it's sinful to not want to stick around getting cucked by a hoe who cheated on you and had your child dismembered and thrown out with the garbage.

    I hate how all these fucking painty waists have taken over the Church of St. Francis, St. Louis, St. Vlad of Kiev, St. Patrick, Belloc and Chesterton.

    INQUISITION when?

    [–]Gawernator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, funny how the Catholic Church actually fought off Muslim invasions. Now they are welcoming them in.

    [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yes I noticed that right away, too. You get a "get out now and cleanly " option and the guy won't use it. How retarded.

    [–]afkb39sdfb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Or as George Carlin put it, a way to feel like they're helping but really doing nothing.

    [–]youcantstopmyzed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Religion ALWAYS was about manipulation.

    [–][deleted] 201 points202 points  (8 children)

    Catholic here. He has grounds for an annulment within Church law. Not all practicing Catholics are feminized cucks, and neither are all priests that way. It's a big tent.

    [–]GoodKingWenceslaus 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    Yes. It seems he should get an annulment if it's possible, as she seems to have been a pretty bad wife and if it's potentially invalid, he should use that. Sad that she has not kept the part of being a wife.

    [–]0mnipath 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    How does annulment work? Does he just have his words to prove this? What if wife refuses to admit the truth to any third party?

    [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You have to go through the annulment process which takes a long time. You get sent questionaires to fill out, and requries 2 witnesses to do so also. The spouse gets a copy also and can contest it or not respond. Naturally, she would likely respond and contest it I assume.

    Also you are asked to pay a fee around $500 to the archdiocese office. Then you wait, wait, and wait some more after all the paper work has been sent in for a decision. I'm not Catholic but went through this because my ex was, and then it makes a big problem if you get with a Catholic woman later (like latinas especially) if they know you were married to a Catholic and divorced.

    The annulment is separate from a civil divorce, so not really a "requirement."

    I'm not one to follow the rules and jump through hoops so I recommend just keeping shut about it and lie in the future if it comes up. Hated going through the experience.

    [–]GoodKingWenceslaus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They need to prove that the marriage was invalid. I'm no Canon lawyer, but from what I understand, basically you need to show some problem, like if you're Catholic and the marriage was one outside I think that counts as grounds for annulment, also maybe if you didn't consummate.

    [–]Gawernator 27 points28 points  (1 child)

    Yup,

    However, the Greek word translated “marital unfaithfulness” is a word which can mean any form of sexual immorality. It can mean fornication, prostitution, adultery, etc. Jesus is possibly saying that divorce is permissible if sexual immorality is committed. Sexual relations are an integral part of the marital bond: “the two will become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Ephesians 5:31). Therefore, any breaking of that bond by sexual relations outside of marriage might be a permissible reason for divorce. If so, Jesus also has remarriage in mind in this passage. The phrase “and marries another” (Matthew 19:9) indicates that divorce and remarriage are allowed in an instance of the exception clause, whatever it is interpreted to be. It is important to note that only the innocent party is allowed to remarry. Although not stated in the text, it would seem the allowance for remarriage after divorce is God’s mercy for the one who was sinned against, not for the one who committed the sexual immorality. There may be instances where the “guilty party” is allowed to remarry, but they are not evident in this text.

    [–]Memus_Vult 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    The sexual immorality that Jesus talks about is about actions and beliefs before marriage. It is the same as saying that the marriage is invalid from the start. We invented a word for this type of 'divorce': annulment

    [–]Memus_Vult 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Technically an annulment means the necessary prerequisites for marriage were not there at the point of marriage. That is to day that whatever is given as the reason for annulment must not have developed whilst married but must have predated it.

    A large proportion of modern Catholic marriages are invalid as many plan to use contraception. However Canon law on annulment is the same as the English common law principle of innocent until proven guilty: a marriage must be presumed marriage until proven otherwise - an abortion is evidence of not being open to life, but is not necessarily proof this attitude was held at the point of the sacrament. Now her having the abortion for 'financial reasons' might show that if the situation was no better at point of marriage that she wasn't open to life and lead to annulment.

    Either way, the Church's law doesn't deny the option of separation if it becomes necessary. By not recognising divorce they don't recognise remarriage. The OP can leave; he just can't get married to someone else.

    The problems are her sin and his lack of discernment, not Church teaching. He should forgive her, but it doesn't mean rolling over and accepting it. If she doesn't repent then going along as if nothing else happened is just enabling her. If he cannot control her infidelity then he should leave for his own sake and for hers, but getting remarried requires proving that she was like this at the start.

    [–]ImHydeRightNow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Fellow Catholic, I agree he can and should get a divorce. Suggesting anything else is ludicrous.

    [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    She murdered her own child that she is chemically "persuaded" to love and nurture.

    Cheating isn't at all surprising with her current programming.

    [–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (9 children)

    This is why i know red knighting is useless. Men dont want a harsh truth, they want a pretty lie. And now the church gave him the narrative to believe it.

    Good for her though, she got a good one, will put up with all her shit

    [–]TryhardPantiesON 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    He is not a good one if he puts up with that shit. A good one would have walked away. In fact he is so bad, that his wife lost respect for him, probably lost sexual attraction too... she will cheat again, nothing good comes from staying in that relationship.

    [–]hahayeahthatscool 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    The guy ur replying to is fully aware of that, dumbo. No point in red knighting, she won, accomplished her biological imperative. Got a nice beta provider and the freedom to fuck chads because he is too weak willed to do anything about it.

    [–]TryhardPantiesON 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    No shit Sherlock, he is saying "she got a good one", impliying she got a loyal, weak, submissive husband, which is good for her.

    I said, "he is not a good one", as in "he is not a good man", because a good man wouldn't let his wife walk all over him like a doormat

    [–]hahayeahthatscool 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Nope, he is a good little boy. Beta providers are good for everyone as they pay for things, are not competition, and provide stability for these sluts so we can fuck them with no repercussions.

    [–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (29 children)

    Yikes. I just read that shit. Religion is bizarre.

    [–][deleted] 158 points159 points  (8 children)

    Yeah goddamn. His wife fucks another guy bareback and uses an abortion to torch the evidence, and somehow he's the villain for wanting to leave.

    [–]K3ll0r 25 points26 points  (3 children)

    Bloody hell, why did you have to put it that way.

    [–]The_Tau_Nutrino 36 points37 points  (0 children)

    Lol I liked the way he put it. It's like a shot of whiskey.

    [–]Hans_Burgeoni 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I don't think anyone was demonizing him for wanting to leave. Everyone in that thread knew that the ball was in his court, and many of them were urging him to leave. Of course, to a Catholic who doesn't hold to TRP standards, it is easy to think that God has given him his beautiful wife and that she made a mistake which should be forgiven. And it should be forgiven, but not by staying.

    edit: my mistake, OP just said there were Catholics shaming him for leaving. That is unacceptable.

    [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    They then tell him he will never be able to marry again and will be lonely the rest of his life.

    Lol so much bp in here it's just astounding.

    [–]afkb39sdfb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Welcome to reddit, full of cucks...

    [–]ReligiousGroup -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Hit the nail on the coffin

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 18 points19 points  (14 children)

    I dunno about you, but I think the orthodox Jews and Muslims were on point to not let go of the whole keep-hypergamy-in-check idea.

    [–]rockymountainoysters 21 points22 points  (12 children)

    Christians, of the uncucked variety, can find heaps of anti-hypergamy policy in the Bible.

    [–]PanzerBatallion 7 points8 points  (6 children)

    I don't really think any argument should be based upon what you can find in the bible since A) you find conflicting arguments all over the bible, and B) everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) only picks and chooses what they want to take literally out of there anyway, and they ignore anything that doesn't fit in the world view.

    [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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      [–]PanzerBatallion 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      I think if you're convinced of the bible's legitimacy at this point, you lack the critical thinking skills required to win any argument in any fashion other than the other guy saying "Uhh, yeah, oooookay" and rolling his eyes and walking away.

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]PanzerBatallion 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Yes, you arguing about ancient texts on the internet is definitely eclipsing my potential.

        Try not to hurt yourself.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        Unfortunately its all feel-good, love all, peace and happiness in most Chruches now.

        Christian here, have yet to find a Church to attend to that hasnt been "feminized".

        [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        Also a Christian, getting ready for church as I write this

        Having to find a new church. Place I had been going to became too much. Too much deep throating of refugees and immigrants while ignoring all the homeless Americans and Veterans we have in the city I live in(Seattle). The problem with Seattle is that there are many churches that are just plain far left progressive, and the place I was going to has a reputation of being one of the most "conservative" in the city.

        Trying out a new one today. Even if its better in terms of the refugee circlejerk, probably will still be feminized. The church I did go to exemplified beta relationships. So many beta looking skinny fat men who don't lift with thick glasses and hipster looking clothes, married to the first woman who gave them any attention, most post wall. You can feel the dead bedrooms. Me, by lifting, eating right and dressing well, I am in the Top 1% of the room just by walking in the door.

        The worst is this couple that is a clear BB marriage. Woman is a blonde post wall who just by looking at her, used to be a big party girl and likely drug user. Guy looks like that Pajama Boy from the Obamacare propaganda - as beta and hipsterish and feminine as possible. Lately I have seen the wife with a baby boy - who is half black, half white. I really really really hope its an adoption.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I wonder if there are any more "real" churches. Maybe the only ones left not yet infiltrated by the progressive (SJW) mentality are the old-school small town churches. But who knows?

        And yes I've seen similar things what you described about the beta bucks guys and the women.

        [–]JFMX1996 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Sorry to hear that man, I had a very hard time finding a good one too. You basically don't find them in any denominational churches. I really try to avoid the whole "Four Square" and episcopal churches (assuming you're a protestant).

        Most American churches have become cucklands and infiltrated by feminism and are just another breeding ground for feminism. I was driving 30 miles away to another city just to go to a church I really loved at one point because the messages were so red pill and without any lovey dovey garbage.

        Non-denominational churches I've gone to are the best.

        Call and ask to make sure that they're of the "sola scriptura" ideology, meaning they believe scripture is true alone. Unlike the modern churches that try to pick and choose or twist to preach some false doctrine that suits their liberal agendas.

        [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I did missionary work with a Foursquare Church. They have a lot of good going for them because for the most part they are pretty good with scripture. My main issue was the non stop deep throating of Israel. It made my phsyically ill.

        Also we did a food bank every Saturday. This was in Southern California. I cracked a joke about how ICE should set up shop at this food bank and man I felt the wrath of the church leadership for that one.

        Church I went to today was pretty good. I'll probably go there until I move next month.

        [–]JFMX1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        See, with the secular governments it's impossible to hold Christians to those standards though. Christians used to have their women wear veils as well and head coverings in general but I don't know what the fuck happened.

        I mean, like...do balls drop off? What happened to Christian men?

        No more Deus Vult and chill?

        [–]Gawernator 30 points31 points  (1 child)

        Adultery is cause for divorce according to the Christian Bible

        However, the Greek word translated “marital unfaithfulness” is a word which can mean any form of sexual immorality. It can mean fornication, prostitution, adultery, etc. Jesus is possibly saying that divorce is permissible if sexual immorality is committed. Sexual relations are an integral part of the marital bond: “the two will become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Ephesians 5:31). Therefore, any breaking of that bond by sexual relations outside of marriage might be a permissible reason for divorce. If so, Jesus also has remarriage in mind in this passage. The phrase “and marries another” (Matthew 19:9) indicates that divorce and remarriage are allowed in an instance of the exception clause, whatever it is interpreted to be. It is important to note that only the innocent party is allowed to remarry. Although not stated in the text, it would seem the allowance for remarriage after divorce is God’s mercy for the one who was sinned against, not for the one who committed the sexual immorality. There may be instances where the “guilty party” is allowed to remarry, but they are not evident in this text.

        [–]andhakanoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Not really. As others have pointed out, he is within his religious rights to divorce her. The prople who're trying to guilt him into remaining are the idiots.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If you look at the responses from the Catholic forum, it's not the religion in this case but it's practitioners who completely twist the beliefs and moral guidelines, because if they were the real deal they'd be telling him she has terrible character and is a poor woman and that he has no obligation to stay with her.

        It's like no place regardless of how "moral" it is has not been permeated by white knights and cucks.

        [–]SemperPrimus 29 points30 points  (2 children)

        I'm Catholic and this pisses me off. I remember reading a thread about a guy whos wife cheated on him and got preggers. He only knew because the baby turned out black. Almost the entire board told him he had the duty as a good catholic to take care of the baby.

        Fuck off, I'd rather go to hell.

        [–]Banana_Club_Alcudia[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

        I remember that thread, and I agree completely with you. One of the requirements in a Catholic marriage is being devoted to your spouse for life. The adulterous wives in that post and this one both broke that vow, so it would be easy to get an annulment. Even though it gets lots of flack on this subreddit (for good reason), I still like the idea of getting married in the future. That said, I'm with you, there is nothing that could make me stay with an adulterous wife. I have a certain level of self-respect that I'm not willing to breach. I would "divide my family" (I put this in quotation marks because this is a way cheaters project blame on their spouses for divorcing them, even though it's their fault), leave the church, heck I would take death if I lived under some totalitarian government that forced men to stay with their cheating wives. Despite all of the things Pope Francis has done that I do not like, I approve of him streamlining the annulment process.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I'm developing the line of thought that if a man wants to even consider marriage in the future, he'll have to likely move abroad to a culture where this is possible and divorce culture isn't rampant like in the west.

        I read a story over at Return of Kings who married a Ukrainian woman and they're very happy, but he moved there instead of staying here. It was a trade off in ways, of course, but he seemed to really enjoy the family life in a culture where a woman actually wanted to be a wife and mother.

        Working on entrepreneurial stuff now so I'll have that option too. There's no reasonable expectation of marriage in the USA anymore. Simply put too many horror stories and statistics tell the truth about your odds.

        [–]Gross_Guy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Fucking pathetic, dump that trash and DIP

        [–]KazarakOfKar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Most religions have been warped from whatever good they were intended for into institutionalized control and cuckoldry.

        [–]otistoole 17 points18 points  (0 children)

        a photo in the post of the cuck and his whore of a wife.

        I bet he is so proud to be raising other men's children.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        To be fair, forgiveness is what Christianity is supposed to be all about and divorce is a huge no-no in the Catholic church, though obviously plenty of them find a way around it. So at least they are being consistent and not just giving her a pussypass.

        Now of course an interesting experiment would be to wait a while and then post the same thing but it's the guy at fault, who cheated on her and made his mistress get an abortion. I doubt they will be as forgiving of him.

        [–]pizzalover24 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Yup. People have forgiven murderers for rape and murder of a loved one.

        Forgiven yes. Forgotten no. Forgiving does not mean no punishment.

        [–]1221johnny 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Nowadays Catholics honestly dont care too much about divorce. It's only the diehard Catholics that do

        [–]BrackOBoyO 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        The bible directly supports the annulment of a Catholic marriage in the case of unfaithfullness.

        [–]rossiFan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Yeah one of the deacons at my church pleaded with me to not get divorced 6 years ago. This bitch was a classic BPD, and I said "well, of this pisses God off, then I'm sorry."

        After the divorce, I felt incredibly elated and relieved.

        [–]GoodQuestion131 28 points29 points  (7 children)

        He'd probably be alright with raising up Chad's fucktrophey while his wife fucks more Chads. ALL FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS.

        [–]1SeemedGood 14 points15 points  (5 children)

        Unless I'm mistaken, Joseph was kinda sorta cucked by the ultimate Chad, correct?

        [–]1EarthExile 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        It's the way of nature. God does claim to be the Alpha

        [–]cashan0va_007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        He was the first alpha. And the last.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Most likely just a random dude.

        We haven't had sex yet. But you are pregnant! It's a miracle!

        The original awalt.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        She did him a favor with the abortion. She knew it was chads. That much is obvious.

        [–]jakeecio 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Christian think God asked to forgive sins and live in peace. But forgiveness without repentance is nothing. When a woman says she repent she is just plainly telling lie. You will never know the truth. I took her back once. It was never with it. Fifth Law. Once trashed always a trash.

        [–]PissedPajamas 17 points18 points  (1 child)

        And then Catholics claim to follow the Bible.

        Romans 7:2-3

        "2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man."

        [–]Gawernator 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        exactly. But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

        Christians are pretty much painted into a corner with the forgiveness thing. It is the core message of that particular dogma. If a dog only knows stay, sit and come, it cannot fetch.

        [–]pizzalover24 9 points10 points  (7 children)

        Not really. The bible prescribes forgiveness as making peace with your brother.

        This does not mean there is no punishment. Punishments were prescribed for all immoral acts. God himself laid out what the punishments were in the OT.

        So you can forgive and walk away.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        "God himself..." you guys are pretty scary. You think "God" laid out an incomprehensible and contradictory tome written by dozens of differents authors that was loosely compiled during the bronze age. Wow

        [–]pizzalover24 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        God laid out

        A) I don't believe it is impossible to believe in a God. There seems to be too many 'coincidental' phenomena that seem to be perfect placed.

        B) incomprehensible and contradictory

        Not all of it. Only the advanced stuff for the really committed. But the core of the message is simple. Love God, Love your neighbour. That's it! Most believers over the ages leave it at that and never go deeper no matter what they actually mean.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You are welcome to your faith. Most humans who have ever lived have had a belief in the divine or the supernatural. Whether it is animism, Zeus, Ra, Buddha or the thousands of other names that have been worshipped. The only issues I have is the way you said "God himself" as if it is a truth. It is a belief, it cannot be asserted as fact to prove a point.

        [–]pizzalover24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Of course sometimes understanding what God really said is difficult especially when it comes to the advanced stuff.

        I admire the devout of all faiths even the Muslim who prays five times a day. There are many in this world who have recognised the futility of life without God.

        As Christians we believe through faith that God communicates to his people. Some lessons are taught through scripture and the same lessons through life experiences.

        [–]newName543456 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Right. The word he was looking for is "reconciliation". And that isn't always possible.

        Technically TRP preaches forgiveness too, because when a girl treats you in a way you don't like, you move on and don't dwell on it, because you should be too busy with someone else.

        [–]pizzalover24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        TRP is very similar to the bible. The only differences are:

        1) dating is a short exercise in vetting a wife

        2) The wife is obliged to respect the authority of her husband. Not because he is better than her but because it an obligation to a God given role.

        3) The man must provide for his wife. From everything including money to entertainment to clothing. A bit BP.

        4) The woman must manage the domestic affairs of the house. She is obligated to remain beautiful to her husband.

        5) The man must set an example for his wife and kids.

        6) The man must be obligated to someone higher to him so that the wife can bring her grievances to the master's master. Mostly this is an.older man.Or a priest.

        [–]Banincoming 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        But...she aborted another man's baby for him! That's true love!

        [–]tilnewstuff 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        If you're a Catholic then you'd understand it's pointless to bring up an issue like this here. People here come from a different POV. When those commenters in that thread urged his forgiveness of her, it wasn't for the normal reasons we see here (weakness, beta, etc.), it's for religious reasons, something this sub knows nothing about.

        Catholicism has major problems, and its view on divorce is a big one (I think the guy should guiltlessly kick her out), but this is just to point out how useless it is to discuss this issue in this place.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It's not pointless, because the poster had valid points. And being Catholic is not really a critical element because it doesn't play into the fundamental truths of the scenario: the woman was a 2-timing terrible piece of garbage and even had an abortion.

        It was very obvious it was cucking and the usual male-shaming in the example comment from the forum thread. How can you not see that?

        Given the comments in this thread, plenty of people here appear to know about religious reasons. It's clearly stated in the bible what are grounds for divorce; and the fact that she had an abortion is far an beyond evidence of her character.

        I do understand that forgiveness has a place and is a very important and central tenant to Christian religion, but any man at some point must look at things realistically and decide he can say, "I'll forgive you, but I'm leaving. You have broken the vows you took before God and with me. "

        There's forgiveness then there's being a fool. And fools encouraging other men to be suckers under the guise of religious principles - that's not what is intended by the Catholic or other faiths.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Don't forgive, walk away. Walking away is one of your greatest powers as a man - because women need men to build and support the civilization that does everything for them, they take this for granted until you threaten to walk away and take everything with them.

        PS - Bitcoin is a decentralized asset that sits outside of the banking system, thus Bitcoin is walking away.

        [–]JFMX1996 12 points13 points  (5 children)

        Definitely agree on the whole Catholicism and modern Christianity in general. Was born a cultural Catholic, parents never really attended church. I picked up a Bible on my own and started studying it and got into it and became a non-denominational protestant when I was 12.

        Later on got my parents into it too but got into a church they like.

        Now I'm 20, years of studying it on and off I look around in disgust at these religious institutions. The pope is this idolatrous leader that people blindly follow despite him practically being a heretical blasphemer preaching false doctrines.

        Screw all these people saying "You shouldn't judge!" in their whiny little voices. Judge righteously.

        You can forgive the wife and wish her the best but don't be foolish enough to stay with her. Sexual immorality is a solid basis for divorce. Whoever marries with that whore only enables such behavior even further in our society. She must be made to stay single forever as an example to others.

        Though a bigger plague that adds to the whole issue is that of romanticism that came about a in the 18th century ago. These marriages start in the form of pretty little emotions and people get in with people that would've been deemed not marriage material when in a rational evaluation, but our emotions that now possess the dating realm justify their short comings and instead we wife up a slut in the hopes that we can fix her and so on.

        Modern Christianity, or as Dalrock from the sidebar calls it, Churchianity is a plague. Lukewarms everywhere. These churches have been infiltrated and have become buildings that house no more than a social gathering. Instead of casting out the wicked from among them in the hopes of those being cast out getting their crap together and coming back, they sit around and justify their behaviors and such influences only spread like a plague among the members and promote further and further degeneracy.

        Okay, glad to get that off my chest.

        Wish there was a decent pope like Pope Urban II once more. DEUS VULT.

        Edit: Just remember, judge a faith by what you read in the Bible, not by those its modern, corrupted institutions. If you still believe in it and leave the institution, great. If not, best of luck. It'd just be bad to see you lose faith due to these modern leaders and lukewarms who preach false doctrines.

        [–]alexclarkbarry 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Amen brother, I am 21 myself been questioning the way of institutionalized religion, you are right about the pope. When he did his tour of America last year my university put up a picture of him for all the bitches to take pictures of on social media to feel "religious" what a fucking joke.

        [–]JFMX1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Definitely man. They put some bible quote in the description or "God first" with some emoji characters on their social media, but anyone can do that.

        Luckily more and more people are starting to question him.

        [–]I_AM_CALAMITY 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Exactly. The Pope holds no special regard in my mind. I don't know why people, even non-Catholics, adore him.

        [–]JFMX1996 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        He tells them all what they want to hear. It's hilarious. Pick and choose the bible to where it's not even Christianity to try to sit well with the masses instead of telling them the truth.

        That's not how it's supposed to be.

        [–]Hans_Burgeoni 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I saw this too. And it scares me as well. Cradle Catholics are some of the most backwards women anyone will ever see, especially ones that go full feminist after a time.

        Unfortunately we can never know what is best for us unless we obey and listen the best we can, as Catholics. I pray this doesn't happen to me.

        [–]Trvspkt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I don't ever comment here. But sounds to me the mans wife is satan, and he as a Catholic, should stay the fuck away from satan.

        [–]honeycrispmedley 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        Your title is kinda silly seeing as forgiveness is one of the cornerstones of the Catholic faith. You can forgive her and still seek a divorce/annulment. 2 different things.

        [–]Banana_Club_Alcudia[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Yeah I could have worded it better. A good number of the comments are trying to convince OP to not only forgive her, but let the whole thing go and stay with her. Some of them were shaming OP and calling him a sinner for even considering leaving her.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Precisely; they're shaming him into his "place" and framing it as him being the root of the problem. And where do we see this usually? Feminism.

        Amazing how warped people who claim to be "religious" are. They are eroding the church from within, and from the examples you showed, manipulating men into a lower level in society and family life.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yes, this is the right train of thought I think.

        [–]bam2_89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'm Catholic as well, but our traditions developed in the context of severe treatment of infidelity. If someone is chronically unfaithful, they always were, so that sort of situation should be considered fraud in the inducement and be grounds for an annulment.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Jeez, poor guy.

        We've all been there when we were cheated on; it's denial. But I hope he gets through it and listens to some of the smarter people commenting on his thread.

        [–]trpatty 10 points11 points  (16 children)

        Catholicism is not compatible with TRP ideology. If TRP is amoral, the interjection of traditional catholicism's fucked up moral scheme into it means one of them must give way. You can be a "good catholic" or a "good redpiller"; you can't be both.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (15 children)

        Says a guy who probably is not Catholic and has no true in depth understanding of the faith or its theology. I see a lot of guys on here who explode at even a hint of something that could be taken the wrong way as racist but suddenly TRP is a place to bash catholicism? The original post just happened to be in the Catholic sub the rest is irrelevant. It is a blue pill example, she cheated and he should seek an annulment as she has cheated and had an abortion - two mortal sins but she also lied.

        [–]winterwheels21 11 points12 points  (11 children)

        He isn't bashing catholocism. Catholicism is based on subjecting your will to God, and living your life for his purpose. Redpilling is about oneself first and not subjecting yourself. A Catholic can apply redpill to his life, make himself a better man not some beta cuck, and still be a good Catholic, but the redpill ideology doesn't back the Catholic religion's principles.

        [–]Gawernator 9 points10 points  (10 children)

        I don't see how they are not compatible. The RedPill is about male sexual strategy and self-improvement. There's no reason a Catholic man can't follow that. I'm not Catholic.

        [–]lestratege 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        When regarding relations between the sexes, catholicism is simply not compatible with TRP.

        Catholicism is actually what created Western monogamy. The Latran council of 1215 made marriage a sacrament because the Church imposed it onto society during the Middle Ages. You have to understand why. Until about the year 1000 AD, the Church did not have such a good idea of marriage (ie a least bad solution, just better than being consumed by desire).

        People need to understand why the Church did that, and what it replaced. Because what it replaced is simply what has come back in our times. In the High Middle Ages, husband could repudiate their wife almost at will. You could see that clearly in the aristocracy. The husband found a better wife, kicked out the old one with the kiddos in tow. This actually showed that the highest valued men were hoarding the women, and many a common man was without wife. This also created a big problem: single mothers. And back then, the Church was in charge of social services, not the government, hence they got tired of dealing with the consequences.

        So starting around 1000AD, the Church tried to impose marriage as it saw it (ie for life, valid with only the commitment of the spouses - ie no need for family approval, etc.). It was a long fight, over centuries, but basically it created what came out as the traditional view of marriage in the West: you marry for life.

        Now let's be honest and we all know that modern norms have basically destroyed this vision, and hypergamy is let loose once again, 80% of women flocking to 20% of men. TRP is about recognizing that fact and surfing the wave. It doesn't judge by saying it is good or bad. Well, Catholicism still says that such hypergamy is bad and shouldn't be accepted. The problem is that it's like preaching virginity to whores: doesn't matter how right you are, in practice it cannot change anything.

        So yes, Catholicism is incompatible with the TRP, in the sense that properly understood Catholicism is meant to remedy what TRP actually says about women: keep them virgin until marriage, stay married for life, etc. TRP is about surfing the wave, Catholicism is about breaking that wave (good luck with that!).

        [–]winterwheels21 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I agree with that, I said that, but they do not necessarily line up 100% with each other.

        [–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Spinning plates and stuff, no. I agree

        [–]pizzalover24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        TRP is very similar to the bible. The only differences are:

        1) dating is a short exercise in vetting a wife

        2) The wife is obliged to respect the authority of her husband. Not because he is better than her but because it an obligation to a God given role.

        3) The man must provide for his wife. From everything including money to entertainment to clothing. A bit BP.

        4) The woman must manage the domestic affairs of the house. She is obligated to remain beautiful to her husband.

        5) The man must set an example for his wife and kids.

        6) The man must be obligated to someone higher to him so that the wife can bring her grievances to the master's master. Mostly this is an.older man.Or a priest.

        [–]2mbillion 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        Game is amoral Catholicism is not. If you can't see how they could conflict that's on you

        [–]I_AM_CALAMITY 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        Because game is amoral, Catholics must practice it in a way that respects their morals. All of Red Pill Doctrine is true, but that doesn't mean you have to act on all of it.

        [–]2mbillion -1 points0 points  (2 children)

        i find this problematic. you clearly have little understanding of what your religion actually says you should be doing or you just choose to disregard it.

        premarital sex, manipulating people, casting off people who dont have value, dominating other men.. basically no easy way to reconcile Catholicism and red pill but i would love to hear you try

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Jesus was the ultimate alpha. He is nothing like these weak cucks. That is how I reconcile it.

        [–]I_AM_CALAMITY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Not a Catholic. Like I said, you use red pill truths while also choosing to be in the frame of the church.

        [–]trpatty 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I wanted to address this. I grew up Catholic and Lutheran (parents each kept their faith), so I feel I know a thing or two about it. Read the comments in that thread; while those people might be great Catholics, the advice they give is blue pill to the core, including:

        • She's hurting too. As the man, it's your job to comfort her.

        • She's confessed her sin, so you need to forgive her. This is the equivalent of some bar slut approaching the wall and deciding that she's suddenly a good girl, so now some "nice guy" should be obligated to overlook her past transgressions and accept her as she is.

        • Don't divorce, because that's a sin. I cannot think of anything more bluepill about Catholicism than it's utter aversion to divorce. Nevermind his wife fucked around on him and killed a child; he has to stay with her because he's expected to honor the vows that she wouldn't. And annulments, while possibly obtainable, are especially difficult to get after a decently long marriage that was not entered into under some sort of fraud.

        I have a lot of great friends who are Catholic, but there is no possible way that someone can look at the tenants of that religion or the beliefs of truly devout adherents of it and think that their belief system is compatible with TRP.

        [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Man, please.

        Poor Urban II was a pimp. P. I. M. P. Pimp. Dude leased out mistresses to the clergy after not letting them marry.

        [–]2mbillion -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        Meh, religion is a control mechanism and if it's putting you in that place then you are being handled

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I just had to show you guys. It reminded me of this:

        God damn, some people will put themselves through a lot just to believe a lie.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0xf2Hdxo6o&feature=youtu.be&t=28m45s

        [–]newName543456 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's you talking to Satan

        No, that would be him talking to his self-preservation instincts.

        Too bad he forgot to do that before actually getting married.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You have a right to be pissed off. But if it's any consolation it's often very similar in the other Christian denominations now. Dalrock has - and continues to - point out how incredibly cucked the modern church is and how they continue to shame men into submission and pedestalize low value women.

        The irony is that the bible gives adultery as grounds for divorce to be acceptable, and yet that idiot cuck-ass poster who was trying to shame/manipulate the husband into staying anyway in what will be a guaranteed disaster later.

        Fucking amazing. You get a legit reason to leave a bad situation and do so cleanly in the eyes of the church, and yet you don't.

        Getting an annulment is possible but takes a long time and you have to get a lot of witnessess to fill out questionaires and the other party gets documents to contest the grounds for the annulment, also. A huge pain. I'm not even Catholic and went through this because of it. Not my nature, and from now on I'll just bend and break the rules because it's too much to ask a non-Catholic to do.

        Honestly, the church, except for maybe the old-school churches and Orthodox ones are pretty much f*cked now. It's depressing, because the one place you used to be able to count on for real values and good opinions now want to push men into "their place on the plantation."

        Ugh!

        [–]slothsenpai 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Holy fuck is Christianity so cucked. The only religion that exhibits red-pilled traits is Islam, regardless of your opinions on migrants or whatever. It's no wonder why White girls are going for more Muslim guys these days.

        [–]pizzalover24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Islamic relationships only work when freedom and justice is curtailed.

        [–]stephcurrythrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        As a Christian myself I find this deplorable. Bible even says marriage of unfaithfulness is fine in divorce. Idk man

        [–]Breidurhundur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Modern Christianity is a cuck religion, more news at 11. The Old Testament prescribes death for the adulteress, but you bring that up in their sub and they'll call you the devil.

        [–]Praecipuus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Funny, how people who supposedly follow such a conservative ideology manage to rationalize their way through it, all the way towards secular cuckoldry.

        [–]theultimatewarriors 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The worst is to see people constantly use "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" constantly as a way of saying "all bad behavior needs to be accepted by others and you shouldn't change your behavior". People act like changing your behavior to respond to reality (rather than someone's words when their words do not match their actions) means that you're "judging them".

        It's not judging someone to change your actions according to reality rather than their words, when they can't even follow their words. And even further, the only time you should follow someone's words when they've shown they lied even in the bible is if they've shown that they repented and seek forgiveness and then you can forgive them, but the words you want to live by have to be resaid. Even the bible doesn't allow behavior like what they're asking for.

        It's not casting the first stone to change your own personal behavior towards people when the agreements that were made were broken. And that's the bible.

        But even outside of religion, when did other people's actions for their own sake get deemed "judging" someone? If people lie and we change our behavior based on their actions, that's not judging someone! It's like people who feel bad immediately blame it on other people as judging rather than simply admitting that their own conscience is hating themselves.

        [–]chaosmech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        well not sure why you're so offended by her sin while you're planning your own. Honestly, her sin is between her and God. It's not your job to judge her. I understand being sad about the loss of your child but to judge her so harshly that you would divorce her is pretty low. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

        Holy shit this is ridiculous.

        "Her sin is between her and God." If you weren't married, sure, that might fly. But you are married, therefore, sexual immorality is both a sin against God and against the spouse. So it absolutely is an offense against him. He has every right to be offended, and Jesus even states that martial unfaithfulness is a valid reason for divorce.

        Seriously, this is some out-of-hand holier-than-thou horseshit.

        [–]Josewasframed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Catholic here too.

        You have to remember, this was pulled from the Catholic subreddit. There may be a small fraction of common sense folk subscribed there but any subreddit that is angled toward a partition of society (especially religion) is going to have the die-hards. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the subscribers there are secretly wishing for Vatican 1 days again. So yes, it makes sense you're going to get outlandish and harmful responses to this guy; but to me, that's not surprising.

        That's pretty much the way it is with any sub. Its users will seek confirmation bias and validation just by posting something like that. We even do that here at TRP.

        If I have to end on one great note about all of this, it's that I've been able to play devils advocate with TRP for years now. That's not to say that TRP hasn't taught me a lot, because it has, but I've always been able to keep a clear head about anything posted here.

        Part of my Catholic upbringing was a Jesuit college education; if you're familiar with the Jesuits, you'd know they're the chill Catholics who teach you to be skeptical of religion and not to jump blindly into any new ideology without questioning it too. This has carried over into my whole life and here too. I'm able to take principles from here and elsewhere and apply them to questions I have; I'm able to think for myself now and I'm very lucky I'm no longer the kinda guy who has to post about relationship problems on any subreddit or forum.

        Part of knowing the answer to a personal question is knowing yourself and what you stand for. Seems like this guy has no clue.

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        [–]pizzalover24 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        If you're Catholic like me

        Completely agree that you must do some extreme vetting before marriage.

        But to you as the man, you are given leadership over the woman. To be their spiritual counsel and lead them back to their creator.

        Because once upon a time the red flag was with you and God came to you and set you free. One day he will ask you why didn't you do the same for the woman.

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          [–]pizzalover24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yes completely agree that you can't marry such a person.

          But there are red flags with everyone. Everyone has it difficult these days because they grow up in homes without biblical gender roles.

          The key lessons I have picked up over the years were

          1) what does she know already about biblical gender roles and does she accept it.

          2) how teachable is she.

          3) is she already under authority (i.e. her father, mentor or clergy)

          Without these things it will be hard to reform her.

          [–]masterm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Doesn't Catholicism say stone adulterers not forgive them?

          [–]LongtimeRPLurker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          He shoul eventually forgive her and move on with his life. But that doesn't mean he should stand by her side.

          [–]Degener0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Funny, if a woman was the complainant and the dude dicked/knocked up another broad then he would be lynched. Never ask the advice of women about women. Never ask the pathetic nerds that occupy relationship forums. Ask a bro friend.

          Also, a dude gets no sympathy from society. Nut up and shut up. Ditch the witch.

          [–]Crystalicious87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Since when is "openness to children" a requirement to marriage?

          [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Hah, I bet if he was the one who cheated and his wife was asking for advice they would all tell her to dump his ass immediately and set him on fire like Satan would.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Are these people serious? More like cuckholics than catholic

          [–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Just because you divorce her and fuck her sister, that doesn't mean you don't forgive her amiright guys?

          [–]SunTzuArtofWar -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          The bibles is as red pill as it gets. What's the punishment of a married woman adultery?

          [–]derp_derpington 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The red pill seems logical enough that we wouldn't have many religious people here but I guess it also attracts religious conservative types to some extent

          [–]2mbillion 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          Well that's really what religion is, a system to stabilize culture. Keep people complacent, producing for their masters, and feel thankful for the little piece of pie they are given

          [–]pizzalover24 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          There is richness to life. The morning sun, the first time you look at your child's eyes or the human-like qualities of a chimp.

          But some choose to remain poor.

          [–]2mbillion 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          i disagree, most people make peace with their station in life. thats good and well, but if they really had a choice, no, nobody would choose poverty

          [–]pizzalover24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The poor of today have as much as the rich of yesteryear

          [–]mattstanton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Fuck religion, but this is more than that. This is organized internalized submission.

          [–]1RXRob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not commit murder.

          It's right in the Bible. Divorce isn't.

          God forgives. OP is not God.

          Take that picture one day with a woman who deserves to be in that picture.

          [–]EricDaGreat -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

          I know some red pillers are religious, and I used to be, but it's just not consistent with red pill philosophy.

          Simply stated, religion tells you to have an external frame of reference, and not to be your own frame of reference. When you look at it, it's blue pill as fuk.

          Almost 100% of religious men I know are hard core blue pill. The few that aren't, somehow hamster around the cognitive dissonance in their heads, convincing themselves they are red pill in (most) ways. When you start seeing it, it's patently obvious.

          [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Getting ready for church as I type this

          Are most religious men blue pill? Yes. But you're wrong when you claim that you can't be red pill and religious

          I actually think the Bible is one of the more red pill books out there - its been twisted into blue pilled nonsense, which is the problem

          [–]Jokes4Votes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Muslim here and agree.

          Both can be done, its a state of mind. The red pill is just a good guideline and can be viewed through different lenses. Same principles apply for attraction/self improvement.