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Girl lets a guy ram her on the first date, then gets ghosted by him, then asks "what is it about me that makes all these guys act so douchey towards me". Alright men... which one of you did this to her? (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: Don't expect personal responsibility or rational judgment from women. They are emotional creatures who will swoon for the first alpha they see. Take what you need from them and move on, and don't be pressured into giving them anything more than sex.

Original thread here.

Was browsing the OKCupid sub today (if you're not aware, it's basically the Metroid Mothership of feminists and fat white knights) and came across a post that both made me laugh and illustrated some RedPill truths. I'm half wondering if the OP of this thread ran across a TRPer and allowed herself to be swept off her feet by him, because this is a picture perfect representation of how women will act when they're attracted to a strong guy.

Basically, I went on this date with this guy, knowing full well that he was still mourning his breakup with his ex. We had also talked about sex pretty heavily before meeting up, so it was pretty obvious he only wanted one thing, although he claimed to want "more than a hookup" -- but we all know how much truth lies in statements like that.

Lesson #1: Don't pussy-foot around the subject of sex. See what this guy did right? He probably flirted sexually and dropped some bait like [classy] innuendo so that the girl knows he means business. None of this "Hi, I'm Pete! What's your favorite movie?" bullshit. He goes straight for the jugular, and if he's built and attractive, the woman will respond positively to that.

Anyways, we had dinner, I let him take me back to his place and we hooked up - there was even evidence in his room that he was still in love with his ex. I won't say exactly what it was in case he goes on here by some chance, but it just made me feel really bad. I guess my thought process is "what is it about me that makes all these guys act so douchey towards me, (only wanting a one night stand as opposed to dating, ghosting after hooking up) yet they were able to love some other girl wholeheartedly? What factors did these women have that I don't?"

Well honey, maybe guys act like douches to you because it works. Maybe other women don't spread their vag for a random dude on the first date and then wake up the next morning, all sticky with dried cum and thinking "I hope he'll commit to me". Of course, poor OP has probably... swallowed... the feminist mantra of sex-positive thinking and empowerment, so she has been brainwashed into believing this will increase her value. When all it does is signal in huge neon letters that she's an easy target.

Anyways, I was blocked on OKCupid by the time I got home -- or he really did delete his account, I don't know how to tell the difference.

Lesson #2: Once you're done with her, you're done. Remember, just as a woman doesn't owe you sex after being given friendship, you don't owe a woman friendship after being given sex. If all you want from her is a one night stand, don't be afraid to let her go completely afterwards. Women will try to shame you into doing more "relationshippy" stuff after the sex, but stand strong and don't cave.

Right now, I just want to be okay with being single and "having fun" -- whether that means hooking up, dating casually, or both, but I just hate how I take something physical and turn it into something emotional. I've even lurked his ex's Instagram and tried to evaluate if she was prettier than me/vice versa. How do I stop being crazy like this/not care if I get ghosted? Clearly, I am not emotionally wired for casual flings and hookups, but I would like to change that. I keep telling myself that I don't want a relationship right now, but I'm having a really tough time believing myself.

Lesson #3: Being aloof and distant will drive her crazy in a good way. I bet this girl's pants are soaked just thinking of this tall dark mysterious handsome stranger who swept her into his arms and then disappeared into the night afterwards. Women may bitch about it all the time, but they do respond positively to men who play hard to get.

TL;DR: The best way to a woman's heart is to act aloof and always demonstrate abundance mentality. Women would rather be a side chick to an alpha male than a main chick to a beta male. If you play hard to get, she'll go crazy for you.


[–]epixs 271 points272 points  (27 children)

If you're not using her for sex, she's using you as a time-ho.

Don't be a time ho -patrice o'neal

[–]finelicks 49 points50 points  (21 children)

More info on "time-ho" plz loll

[–][deleted]  (18 children)

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    [–]BreathOfDick 39 points40 points  (2 children)

    Finally I have some time to listen to this guy. And now I cannot stop. Wow.

    [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Hundreds of hours of Patrice on the internet. Watch anything from his Opie and Anthony appearances to his tv appearances, and of course, to his standup.

    [–]Trpidation 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    He's amazing man. I highly suggest the "Patrice and the ladies" series on the ol 'Tube.

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (11 children)

    deleted What is this?

    [–]1FunAndFreedom 12 points13 points  (7 children)

    No idea why he throws that cuck shit in there. He was rolling up to that point.

    [–]QruCiFiX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    He never did, he called his girl a hoe numerous times. He made her be okay with him fucking other women with him. I am pretty sure he didnt get cucked

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    You have to kill your ego young blood

    [–]rubenbrasil 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    "be open minded maaaan" high hippy voice thats how you get persuaded into cuckoldry my friend

    [–]Moximuz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    New favorite youtuber thnx man

    [–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It's a slut from the future.

    [–]Ozymanberg 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    Patrice is the honest man. He says anything anytime without sugar-coating. Love the man.

    [–]newls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Female sluts freely give out sex well below the average market price.

    Male sluts freely give out commitment well below the average market price.

    [–]SouthernAthena 121 points122 points  (35 children)

    Notice her reaction to not being fulfilled by hookup culture isn't "how can I change my behavior so I can get a good man to commit" it's "how do I emotionally damage myself to the point where I can fully suppress my emotions?"

    [–]MrBellsprout123 57 points58 points  (3 children)

    Lol I know right. "How can I change my behavior." LOL i don't fucking know. That's like a fucking fat neck beard living with him mom saying:

    " How can I change my behavior so that I feel happy and fulfulled being a fat neck beard living with my mom."

    LMFA bro, it doesn't work like that.

    [–]goldnhorde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm going to call bullshit on this "not being happy" , "that's not how it works" guide and say that THIS SITUATION ..... EXACTLY THIS SITUATION of the women in this post and the neck beard living with mom who just wants to be happy ..... high grade pharmaceuticals.

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Her

    I'm 89% sure a DUDE WROTE THIS.

    Top kek

    [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (10 children)

    I find it startling how much "modernity" has damaged many women.

    A female friend of mine was doing online dating, fucking any guy she found attractive on the first date, and then whining about the result.

    I told her that if she wanted a relationship with a man that was actually interested in her aside from sex, then she should stop jumping into bed so quick and only take seriously the men that wanted to see her again after no initial sex, as that would screen out many of the men that just wanted her hole for the night.

    She attacked me as a misogynist.

    [–]jetsetter883 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Of course, challenging a woman's point of view must mean that you hate all of them

    [–]Kenny_Twenty 0 points1 point  (8 children)

    She attacked me as a misogynist.

    If that happened, you must have approached it wrong. If that's not the case, why the was she your friend in the first place?

    [–]analyticaltoafault 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    Nope.

    Almost undeniably a large percentage will perceive this as, "stop being such a slut then!" and not get around to improving themselves.

    [–]Kenny_Twenty -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

    The only thing I can imagine, based on your post, is that you've either had very little interaction with women or your value is just so low that you frequently have negative interactions with them.

    I could tell any of my female friends my opinion about this and they wouldn't be upset with me or attack me.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Oh please my wife calls me a misogynistic all the time. THe key is to own it. Your female friends would pounce on the shaming if they detected the slightest weakness in your frame.

    [–]Kenny_Twenty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I don't feel like you're disagreeing with me.

    [–]analyticaltoafault 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    "A large percentage" was to mean a significant percentage, not a majority or anything. Merely depicting what the indeed insecure ones display. Excuse my vagueness, but many if not most women I choose to surround myself with do not engage in such talk should I ensure mitigating the sort of approach that may be more likely to be perceived that way.

    *edit from varied state of consciousnees.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Well, it was in the past, first off. I'll apologize for my past self.

    But more importantly, you don't know whether or not this was the first time she went full bitch.

    For all you know, she was a sweet angel to me before this and I dropped her immediately after.

    But way to not address the meat of what I wrote, and alpha on and all that jazz.

    [–]Kenny_Twenty -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    But more importantly, you don't know whether or not this was the first time she went full bitch.

    More importantly?

    lol

    It's not even relevant.

    For all you know, she was a sweet angel to me before this and I dropped her immediately after.

    I mean yeah, I can't know for sure but I feel fairly certain. If she was super sweet before she'd be unlikely to bitch you out unless your beta-ness evoked that in her. Which I think it probably did.

    But way to not address the meat of what I wrote, and alpha on and all that jazz.

    So, you think there was meat in your post? What meat would that be? The incredibly insightful part about how women shouldn't sleep around if they want a committed relationship? Am I supposed to comment on that groundbreaking piece of information? lol

    [–]AnonymousAndLovinIt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    It never really occurs to her that what she's doing is wrong or isn't working. She would blame herself a million times before it occurs to her that it might be the culture or mindset.

    That's how brainwashed people have become.

    [–]SouthernAthena 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I know. It's really sad. Women aren't evil. We've been lied to just like y'all have. And then no one wins.

    [–]HandsomeCub -2 points-1 points  (15 children)

    Her reaction to hookup culture is due to oneitis and desperation, something BP men notoriously suffer. I'm surprised you arent seeing this and instead calling it "damage" as she tries to fix it.

    [–]Ozymanberg 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    The thing is, BP upbringing goes against a man's core nature. TRP principles wouldn't be the same thing to a woman because the sexual market works differently for them.

    For them, TRP tactics would revolve around getting a high value man to commit. It would involve looking pretty, being feminime, being nurturing, submissive, etc. Just as men should break from BP chains and do what is attractive to women, so do the females have to change their neo-liberal behavior to get men to commit. As we've seen/read time and time again being a dollar whore does not make a woman feel good.

    [–]theONE843663 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Lol a dollar? More like 2 cents.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is why I like to read some stuff they have over at RPW. From what I've seen they are indeed trying to work on themselves in these departments, and I think it's great. Just like how a lot of young men don't have an RP male role model, a lot of young women don't have very good role models either (name one good female RP celeb that girls look up to, just to play devils advocate). I think it's great that there is a place for them to go to learn how to act like women, God knows a lot of women need it.

    [–]HandsomeCub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    As we've seen/read time and time again being a dollar whore does not make a woman feel good.

    TL;DR being a dollar whore to studs gets a woman to feel good.

    Slut-shaming is a thing. Deep down they all have the urge to ride the cock carousel when they see a hot stud. What usually stops them is that few woman feel they can lead, approach, entertain, and invite men they are interested in. Probably physical intimidation conflated with social intimidation, something many never work on. These women don't see their own value, arent that seductive, and even if pretty can come across as a deadweight to men. And of course slut-shaming occuring in their circle of friends makes this worse. Women that passively rely on relationships to happen due to men that never approach feel desperate, and thus when quality comes their way, they may naturally want it to stay and want commitment because they are powerless to control their options. Women that decide to break their innocent minds and go clubbing or socializing seeing all of their options feel good and dont see reasons to commit because men are replaceable to them. If they have a good career, they don't need a man to be a provider. If they dont have an inferiority complex and source their own happiness, they are content without a committed man. Its funny to think that TRP pushes the idea of being like these self-improved women but claims to avoid these women because they are trouble. Yes, as a self improved person, you see more options, you see your value, you become good at getting what you want, and your life is amazing, regardless of your gender.

    [–]SouthernAthena 7 points8 points  (10 children)

    Her reaction to hookup culture is a natural female reaction. For most of us, sleeping around is unfulfilling and emotionally damaging. I don't think oneitis works for women the same way it works for a man. I guess in a sense that is what she has, because she expects this guy to be different and commit even though she's doing the same old thing. The problem is her expectations, but the solution isn't deadening her instincts for intimacy and commitment.

    [–]AlwaysFlank 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    Ironically this is what sends us to trp, wondering why no woman wants to commit properly

    [–]SouthernAthena 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    Well there's (clearly) a lot of self sabotaging behavior on our part. I was always sent messages that guys really only ever want sex and that the idea of commitment is clingy and would send them running. Luckily I liked the guys I've been in LTRs with enough to bring up commitment so that it overpowered my social conditioning, and every time they were enthusiastic.

    [–]AlwaysFlank 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Good for you, keep doing your thing. Where does this conditioning come from? TV? Fellow women?

    [–]SouthernAthena 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    You know I was thinking about that, and I can't exactly pinpoint it. I know for sure the media plays a big role. The ever-enduring crazy girlfriend/ex girlfriend trope. I romantic comedies don't have that message, but they're also talked about as fantasy. Music and music videos contribute too (all the pu$$y centered lyrics). You almost never see functional relationships in the media. I'm sure I've gotten the message from other women, but I can't recall and exact instance.

    [–]AlwaysFlank 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    As in, you see women in music videos and go "I should be like that"?

    [–]SouthernAthena 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Yeah. It doesn't affect me like that so much anymore, but when you're young you don't realize what's affecting you. And when you see half naked women being praised for acting like a slut, and then you turn around and see a movie where affection is deemed "crazy," you're beginning to have a recipe for endless hookups.

    [–]Timewasting14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Open any women's magazine and have a read, the one of the biggest hit shows of the 2000's sex in the city is all about this.

    [–]HandsomeCub 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The problem is her expectations, but the solution isn't deadening her instincts for intimacy and commitment.

    Isnt this what TRP pushes as abundance mentality, which i am all for. It would be hypocritical to say its damage in women and self improvement in men.

    ... ok i think im wrapping my head around this, you only think its ok for men so that women natually fall in line as the weaker sex. I cant accept this, i want women to be strong and not dependent on me. I dont want to see deadweight in the women i date. We can say that TRP is the way things are and improving male smv, but if TRP starts limiting success and personal development of women, then i will want to see it burn to the ground.

    [–]SouthernAthena 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I definitely am not saying women are the weaker sex. You are jumping to conclusions. I do believe (and this is the foremost tenet of TRP) that men and women are inherently different and requires different romantic and sexual strategies for success. It's not just what I think either. Men and women respond in different ways, and what works for one group does not for the other. A main failing of feminism is the idea that equality means exactly the same. I don't believe one sex is superior to another, but we are inherently different. Maybe you should take a trip over to RPW to see what the Red Pill holds and promotes for women. (Spoiler alert, it's self-awareness, self-improvement, and healthy relationships between the sexes).

    [–]Kenny_Twenty -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    That is a viable approach. Why the fuck would it be a good idea to remain emotional?

    [–]SouthernAthena 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Your thinking like a RP man, not a RP woman. Women can't spin plates and be happy like guys can. At least not most women. For her it's clearly not viable because she wants something more than sex.

    [–]IblizTrigga 206 points207 points  (48 children)

    This statement says it all: "Clearly, I am not emotionally wired for casual flings and hookups, but I would like to change that"

    Feminism's been telling her that this is the way to a happy life, but she's depressed. Solution: Re-evaluation? No, fuck that, keep doing it till it works!

    What was the definition of insanity again?

    [–][deleted] 128 points129 points  (8 children)

    "I put a rock in my shoe, but it hurt when I walked, so I bought a new pair of shoes. Unfortunately, those shoes also hurt me after I put a rock in them. Should I buy another pair of shoes?"

    [–]HandsomeCub 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    Except the analogy doesnt work because sex with someone hot is addicting. A rock in a shoe has no temporary or permanent value. No one had oneitis for a shoe with a rock in it.

    [–][deleted] 138 points139 points  (3 children)

    You just haven't met the right rock.

    [–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    I legit read that as 'right cock'

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Burn down a rock of crack then tell me you hate rocks.

    [–]AcrossHallowedGround 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I laughed at first, but then; how do you get over feeling nothing but sadness and pity for the situation? I mean I'm not gunna go all white-knight, but I find it hard to knowingly exacerbate the situation.

    I fully accept the "you can't save everyone, don't try and RP your friends" or whatever. But there you're not fucking and further damaging your friends, ya know?

    [–]MrBellsprout123 44 points45 points  (0 children)

    Instead of just listening to herself, she listens to the feminists. I think Gavin McGuinness summed it perfectly :

    "Its like women said to them selves "we're gonna stop listening to men!" and just started to listen to the TV instead."

    She's just as brainwashed as the beta cucks that buy her shit. They're both a disgusting breed of people.

    [–]vagbutters 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Doing the same thing over and over and over again expecting shit to change. Don't worry though, "muh feminism" will produce high-functioning men and women who go on to become great parents, right guys? Right???!

    Hint: it produces fat/scrawny manchildren who amount to nothing and whores like the one in OP's post.

    [–]TRP_DarkTriad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Love the Far cry 3 Vaas' reference here.

    [–]SkaTSee 15 points16 points  (14 children)

    my wallet dropped beneath my seat when i was driving once, and I looked for it under the seat and wasn't able to find it. Looked elsewhere, came back to the seat, couldn't find, looked elsewhere, and on the third time checking under the seat, found my wallet. I don't think the definition of insanity is fully accurate. In a scientific setting, like a lab, perhaps, but I don't know if it fully applies to the physical world.

    [–]IblizTrigga 19 points20 points  (4 children)

    The definition of insanity refers to your mindset. If you had thought "I'm going to look in these exact locations under my seat" all 3 times, you would have never found the wallet (assuming no other variables adjusting the wallet's location).

    Realistically, you thought "I'm going to look in these locations" with the set of locations being different each time, hence why you were able to find the wallet.

    [–]jdgalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That assumes the wallet didn't move around as a result of the car's motion when you were driving.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I fucking hate that definition of insanity quote. Really grinds my gears

    The definition of practice and training is to repeat things over and over and keep getting better.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    You're not failing in that situation, though. You're training with the purpose of improving something.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I know but for whatever reason the quote annoys me because it's always said in some smug pseudo intellectual way that is supposed to end an argument that is usually stupid to begin with.

    [–]ksa82 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    If you found something the third time you clearly didn't do the exact same thing the previous two or...you would've found it the first time.

    [–]SkaTSee -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

    but the second time, I did do the same as the first. And the third started out the same as the second and first. But if I stopped looking there after the first time because "it would be clinically insane to look there again" i would have never found it

    [–]NotMyBestEffort 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You didn't KNOW it was there - but your subconscious was positive and sent you back three times to look in the right place...

    [–]ksa82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah, your argument is irrelevant.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I hate that quote and I don't think Einstein even said it.

    [–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I flip a coin, it lands on tails. I would expect a different result if I flipped the coin again, I guess I am insane.

    Or maybe if you flipped a coin and were expecting it to land on Carrot, you might be insane

    [–]HandsomeCub 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Why would anyone downvote your comment? This is a good observation

    [–]Yamezz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Going against the narrative of a sub will almost always be met with downvotes regardless of the accuracy of the statement. It happens everywhere even here.

    [–]Drogba007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    No hes being downvoted because he clearly doesnt understand the concept of the quote and tried to pick it apart but looks stupid instead

    [–]HandsomeCub 7 points8 points  (18 children)

    Are you wired for casual flings and hookups?... its a goddamn mindset. You ever hear of blue pill oneitis? Attachment issues? Reprogramming your mind? Everything that red pill stands for appears to apply to helping this girl achieve what she wants... many men want what she is aiming for. I am surprised at some of the logic whirling around on redpill slamming her as damaged while pushing men to be more sexually free. Wtf?

    [–]Buchloe 15 points16 points  (16 children)

    The difference is, men who can achieve sex are attractive to women. It's not easy for men to do unless they are high value. Any woman can easily have sex with practically whoever she wants. Men don't really find this an attractive trait, except as a sign of an easy lay

    [–]1GreenPiller 1 point2 points  (12 children)

    Like Patrice O Neal once said, women don't want a thousand dicks, they want the best dick.

    [–]Buchloe 2 points3 points  (11 children)

    Yeah man. These days they're just fucking a million dudes to find it. Until they have nothing left to offer him. The best dick is the one all the women want. But the best pussy is not necessarily the one all the men want. At least that's how I see it

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (9 children)

    Depends on how you define want. The hottest girls are wanted for Sex. Doesn't mean they are even remotely desirable for a ltr.

    [–]Buchloe 1 point2 points  (8 children)

    Yeah I guess that's true. Both sexes have 2 kinds of wants when it comes to the opposite sex. Ltr/kids and then the hot fuck. Both often mutually exclusive.

    It does make me wonder sometimes if men are affected the same way by our plate spinning strategy as women are with cc. Both possibly ending up with reduced ability to pair bond with any one person.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    if men are affected the same way by our plate spinning strategy as women are with cc.

    Many PUA's have written about this. After several hundred vaginas I believe they are affected. Jaded. Disgusted. Revolted. By the predictable behaviors of women.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I just wanted to say that you're awesome <3. -siikdude :)

    [–]FuckMichaelMcCoy -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    Dont fucking bend to his will. You just lost frame, you might as well have bent over and tucked your bullocks between your thighs and let him spank you with a paddle you fuckin beta nimwit. Stand your fucking ground next time chumbucket

    [–]Buchloe 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    ...I looked at what he said, and realized his point was valid and that I fundamentally agreed with it. If we never accept additional, accurate information and points of view, how "alpha" is that? And you called me a beta nimwhit And chumbucket... which is unproductive, reportable, and displays your own low sense of value.

    [–]FuckMichaelMcCoy -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    Sidebar, young boy. Youve got some growing up to do

    [–]1GreenPiller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    True... its better to be a Chad than a Billy Beta

    [–]HandsomeCub -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    The difference is, men who can achieve sex are attractive to women. It's not easy for men to do unless they are high value.

    The devil is in the details. Women love seeing an attractive man be sexual, or hear about them having sex, just like men love hearing about hot women being sexual and putting out for your friend and imagining it could have been you. The only difference is women can be slut shamed, and men are labelled as players. So really no difference here.

    Any woman can easily have sex with practically whomever she wants.

    BS. In practice, almost all women are too shy to lead sex. They want it, but they literally cant get it because of intimidation. I hadn't realized until recently how bad women usually are at entertaining men they don't know. They want to be noticed and for an experience to be handed to them.

    Men don't really find this an attractive trait, except as a sign of an easy lay

    There are red flags if you are going for commitment whether you are a man looking at a slut, or a woman looking at a player.

    Are you saying women dont care about a man's chastity?

    [–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah I was saying a man's chastity seems less important. They'd rather have that indicator other women desire a particular man. I don't personally find it attractive hearing stories about how far friends have gotten with a girl. Women seem to slut shame each other more than men shame them. And everybody respects a tru player, except jealous beta boys

    With the women and their access to sex, it just seems like women have many, many more men at their disposal. Partner count sends much higher for the average female than for the average male. Maybe this is just bitterness talking. I see some of the points you're making

    [–]asktrpthrow123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Men are wired to be polygamous, women are programmed for hypergamy. From an evolutionary standpoint, men have no way to know it's their child that a woman bears so he has motivation to spread his seed to as many women as possible to make sure his bloodline lives on.

    Women have no innate reason to be polygamous because they know the child that is inside them is theirs, so they'd rather fuck the best available mate who can take care of her and her child and make sure that her bloodline lives on this way (if she gets pumped and dumped, she'd have to take care of the kid herself... which would most likely result in her offspring being killed and her being killed or being taken by another tribe or whatever)

    So when women slut around, men have hard-wired programming to avoid this woman because there is a greater chance of the child not being theirs (see all the threads on this sub-reddit and others on "can't get over girlfriend's past" vs all the threads on a "boyfriends' past" which are much more scarce).

    [–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Feminism's been telling her that this is the way to a happy life, but she's depressed. Solution: Re-evaluation? No, fuck that, keep doing it till it works!
    What was the definition of insanity again?

    It's not a coincidence. Man hating is not feminism's #1 goal (that's #2). Feminisms #1 goal is controlling how women think, feel, act, vote, etc.

    Women who get married are far less profitable, women who never marry are far more profitable. That's why the feminist message always predictably revolves around "men are bad, work is good".

    [–]Kenny_Twenty -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    What was the definition of insanity again?

    Apparently not what you think it is.

    [–]Lsegundo 59 points60 points  (11 children)

    Clearly, I am not emotionally wired for casual flings and hookups, but I would like to change that. I keep telling myself that I don't want a relationship right now, but I'm having a really tough time believing myself.

    Feminism ruins another woman by convincing her she needs to ride the CC...

    I went on this date with this guy, knowing full well that he was still mourning his breakup with his ex. We had also talked about sex pretty heavily before meeting up, so it was pretty obvious he only wanted one thing, although he claimed to want "more than a hookup" -- but we all know how much truth lies in statements like that.

    She goes on a date with a man that she knows is unavailable and mostly wants sex. Then she hamsters why she got the pump&dump. It is still baffling that a woman can explain exactly what went wrong and then a paragraph later she can't understand the logic she just wrote. Women truly operate on emotions.

    [–]xddm2653 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Hahaha it's quite silly, because women pull this crap all the time. They're always in love with their ex. I had the unfortunateness of trying to commit to a girl I hooked up with, instead she ran back to her ex.

    [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

    Meh, it's just like the men on here who befriend a girl for a long time and then wonder why she doesn't see them as a sexual object.

    Both know deep down that they're doing things wrong but both find it hard to change their destructive ways.

    [–]Lsegundo 19 points20 points  (3 children)

    I disagree. Women are whining all over social media "where have all the good men gone?" Men are taught to just be yourself, be a gentleman, let her make the first move, attraction builds over time. Many of them are buying into these lies. I had no idea what I was doing wrong in my early 20s.

    She will fuck you in the parking lot at the end of the first date if you lift and know how to maintain frame.

    Women are told men only want sex. She even said he was rebounding and DTF based on the conversation. In the next paragraph she cant figure out why she isnt his gf. I do not see these two situations as similar.

    [–]Slut_Slayer9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    She isn't his gf, because they met on OKC. If a girl HAS to resort to OKC to find a guy we can already assume she isn't all that hot and/or defintely has some red flags to go along with that assumption, otherwise she'd easily find a BF quality dude out in her daily life. Based off that alone she isn't a girl worthy of a LTR. This is what women don't understand if you're not A. attractive, B. have your shit together, C. worthy of a LTR then the guys who hit you up (especially online where women have their pick of the litter basically) will never see you more then a pump and dump, you aren't attractive enough to LTR, you don't deserve that shit. Maybe go for guys in your realistic range/league and they will be more inclined to LTR, not these guys who are batting at 1-3 leagues above you, they will never do anything more then lead you on to fuck you then ghost you. But girls don't understand this, instead they just continue to blame men in general instead of looking at themselves, and asking if they really are worth a relationship. If your only source of men is from online dating then the answer is an astounding NO.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    All that just sounds like a bunch of cope from women, don't take it too seriously. Same reason if you're a women you don't take that guy in your friendzone seriously when he wants sex.

    I've been on a lot of online dates and the vast majority have ended in sex, if not on the first night, the second night (anytime on a first meeting I've pushed for sex, it's happened). I don't lift at all.

    The two situations are exactly the same (men on this forum that want sex/relationships, women want relationships). Both want something but they're going about it the wrong way.

    She can't figure out why she isn't his GF because she done all the things she thinks will reel him in(gave him sex quickly). It's the same reason that men who look to bang their lady friend can't figure out why she doesn't want to bang him. (he thinks biding his time and waiting for the perfect opportunity will get him the sex/relationship he so desperately but he couldn't be more wrong, just like this lady thinks by giving him sex quickly it'll reel him in)

    Surely you can see the similarities. Both want something, but they go about it in completely the wrong way.

    [–]Lsegundo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    I have not taken that noise seriously for a long time now. I was pointing out the trap society is setting for men. I know being in good shape + good career + masculinity(frame) = lots of pussy. Still have a ways to go, but I have made a lot of progress. Some of my field reports would come across as bragging. Other times I still mess up.

    In my hs days I orbited a time or two. After college I was the guy taking her into the other room after the party while her "friend" she came with was giving me the evil eye. If I realized in HS that being attractive instead of "just being myself" would get me laid I would have changed my ways much sooner.

    We see this differently. You see this woman and orbiters being similar. I see them being very different.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Because sex deep down is the currency to tie him down. She says she was "ok with just hooking up", subconsciously believing that her vagina will magically change his mind, because it used to work 100 years ago.

    [–]1SeemedGood -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    Women truly operate on emotions.

    I'm not so sure on that.

    Women are extremely calculating (both consciously and sub-consciously), and unable to actually love before they have children (and sometimes even afterwards).

    They are consistent in viewing all external objects (including other people) almost entirely based on a spectrum of utility to themselves. That much of that utility is derived from how the objects make them feel is not a symptom of being emotionally driven, rather it's a symptom of failure to explore their own sub-conscious motivations.

    That they exhibit a near constant state of cognitive dissonance also has less to do with being emotionally driven and more to do with low levels of consciousness and a total lack of objective self-observation.

    [–]jetsetter883 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Unable to love before they have children? Sorry, that is a stretch

    [–]1SeemedGood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Note that I said actually love.

    Women "love" the objects in their life (and they view other people as objects) for their utility - like you may "love" your 15" MacBook Pro, your Husqvarna 460, or your IWC GST Perp. They enjoy and therefore crave what the objects can do for them and/or how the objects make them feel. That is not actual love of the object, that is a desire to posses the utility of the object. When the object loses its utility, it loses the "love" because the "love" was never actual love of the object itself, but rather simply a desire for the utility that the object can provide.

    Actual love does not depend on utility, it is a form of appreciation of the existence of another being in itself. Some women begin to develop the ability to appreciate other beings for themselves when they have children, but prior to that it's vanishingly rare for a girl or woman to have the capacity to actually love anyone.

    It might be an interesting experience for you to have a discussion with a woman who will be as honest with you as she is with herself about what constitutes love for a person - the real meat of what love means. There are several ways to do this but the best ways will usually be somewhat indirect so as to illicit the most honest answers. You will likely find that it boils down to some assessment of how much utility that person either has or could potentially have to them.

    [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    back to his place

    Bold move, Cotton. Not sure he's a TRPer.

    [–]PanzerBatallion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    He definitely wasn't. He bought her dinner and wasn't over his ex.

    [–]butsomeare 21 points22 points  (8 children)

    Anyways, I was blocked on OKCupid by the time I got home -- or he really did delete his account, I don't know how to tell the difference.

    I take this as an indication she's annoying to be around, or bad in bed, or both, as he quickly decided not to bother plating her.

    [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (5 children)

    Or maybe he's banging way below his sexual status.

    Majority of women I've met online I've been on a dry spell and only wanted to fuck them because they're an easy lay. They are nowhere near the level I would consider for a relationship. But they prob see me interested and think they're at my level.

    [–]marplaneit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    This is what girls don't understand. I would one night-stand a 4-5 (has to be slim though) on a dry spell, would plate a 6, but I wouldnt go into a serious relationship with anything below an 8. Woman don't understand this and they get an overinflated smv of themselves.

    [–]FreeRadical5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Willing to put money that's the real answer.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Pretty sure we've all done that. Probably fucks up the dating market, but oh well

    [–]Slut_Slayer9000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is 100% the answer and women don't understand this. Espeically with online dating women overtime start only messaging guys ABOVE their league, they fuck a few and start to think damn I'm in the league too. The reality is they're not, soon they are done being a slut and want someone to LTR them, but they soon realize the guys they're used to spreading their legs for aren't the level of guys who are willing to commit to them, que posts like this where they bitch about guys who just want to have sex, lol. If they actually dated within their league and not their supposed league that's inflated via online dating they'd have a much easier time finding guys to commit to them, but they don't and rather spend their time bitching instead of improving themselves.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Or he lied about his ex being an ex

    [–]Slut_Slayer9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You could make that assumption purely based off the fact she is posting in the okc subreddit. The worst of the worst women online dating has to offer go there to bitch, moan and complain about men while gassing up each others egos,

    [–]BlackMarmoset 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    We can summarize hamstering as:

    I hooked a guy on OkC who was clearly after ONS, I give it to him but then I stalk his ex because I don't understand why she's more worth than me.

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Clearly, I am not emotionally wired for casual flings and hookups, but I would like to change that.

    She wants to devalue any emotional attachment she has to sex, that is pathetic. Once that is gone she has truly no value left to anyone looking for an LTR.

    [–]Banincoming 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    "I'm not emotionally wired for casual flings or hookups", she said after her 200th.

    [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    I just hate how I take something physical and turn it into something emotional.

    Clearly, I am not emotionally wired for casual flings and hookups, but I would like to change that.

    God! I just hate the way I'm built! I hate that when I eat food I have to take a shit later. Is there some happy pill I can take to operate contrary to my nature? Is there some feminist book I can read to brainwash away my biology? Can some scientist invent a retrovirus to genetically engineer away biology? It's almost as if what I was taught from feminists was a lie!

    What factors did these women have that I don't?

    Self-awareness? Intelligence? Self-respect?

    To be fair, women are like underdeveloped men. This is why in the past men took responsibility for their women. Letting them operate on their own allows feminism to prey upon their weakness and lack of awareness.

    [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (6 children)

    TL;DR: The best way to a woman's heart is to act aloof and always demonstrate abundance mentality. Women would rather be a side chick to an alpha male than a main chick to a beta male. If you play hard to get, she'll go crazy for you.

    This only works if she's already interested and attracted, and even then you have to give her just enough to hook her.

    [–]Scriptopeia 13 points14 points  (5 children)

    Exactly. You need to find balance between abundance mentality and just giving her enough to keep her hooked. If one side gets the upper hand then you are losing her interest.

    People are always like "abundance mentality", "don't show interest and they will come on their own" etc., but you need to throw out a bait in the first place to create some kind of tension. If you don't make them notice you in some way then they will never find out that you exist.

    [–]FreeRadical5 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Nah bro, they'll come find you in your apartment when you're really an alpha. /s

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    You have to get to Level 90 with several epic items before they will break down the door to your parents basement.

    [–]my_sfw_alias 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I have smashed plenty of muff out in mom and dads garage. Too many car parts and we do it in the basement. I like to game on hardmode, things were just waay to easy with my own pad and roof deck overlooking the skyline.

    [–]ech87 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    The saddest part about this is she even realizes she's not wired for casual sex, but pursues it anyway because the mainstream media say's that's what she should like, she should be empowered, I am womyn here me roar. Talk about brainwashing, literally trying to out-rationalize her own natural instinct to fit in with the mainstream narrative.

    [–]logicalthinker1 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    Instead of some introspection and seeing how she's not worth keeping in contact with, she wonders what's wrong with other people. Guys don't ghost girls that are keepers. They ghost the hot ones that are annoying as fuck and have a horrible personality.

    [–]franmonkey 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    she needs to take some god dam unaccountability

    [–]Slut_Slayer9000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Have you met a woman before? lol

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Most likely scenario is that this guy was out of her league and just wanted to get his dick wet, or he was both horny and disgusted by slutty women that put out after only knowing a guy for an hour.

    [–]fetchyminx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is new information to me

    [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    I kind of feel sorry for her. The same way I feel sorry for a guy who can't get sex. It's the same problem only with different sexes.

    Hopefully, she will actually start listening to what her body wants, change how she approaches things and get what she's truly after. Right now she's at the bitter as fuck stage (similar to what I see from a lot of guys on here).

    [–]slap_dash 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    thanks for the chuckles lmfao!!!

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    She's obsessing over why she wasn't chosen for a relationship with commitment and then turns right around says she just wants to hook up and date casually. Talk about hamstering.

    [–]MasterTeacher88 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If guys are pumping and dumping you it's because you're going out of your league. Period end of discussion.

    Girls always think the reason they get ghosted after sex is because they did it too soon. No, you're an average plain Jain and he's a stud. You were never going to be in a serious relationship. At best you were "I'm bored" weekend ass

    [–]JackGetsIt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I find that a lot of women that post these things or tell friends a guy did this are full of shit. He probably texted her two days instead of one day after the hook up and she felt used and then cast him off. Even a lot of alpha redpill guys like spinning plates and after a hook up will go back to the well a few times. She's just peddling this bullshit for attention points and sympathy.

    Even if she was pumped and dumped. That's what you get when you don't vet and wait a few dates. I tell women all the time that just waiting for two or three dates screens out 95% of the players. But that wouldn't be marketable for attention points now would it?

    Her story also doesn't add up because a lot of guys that are getting over an ex like to do it with a lot of sex with other women not pump and dumps per say.

    [–]Wraeclast_Exile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It was me! I did it! Sorry! You took my sloppy seconds! har har, jokes on you!

    [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    gutter trash women love that monkey approach of me mate u now, they aren't ltr material and so they get treated exactly the way they deserve.

    [–]gecko408 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Just curious, why browse the okc subreddit if its just a bunch of nerds n terds?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Am I the only one who thinks OP wrote the referenced thread himself? Shit screams of anger phase fiction.

    [–]TheYoungOwl_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    what makes you think this dude is tall? I'm slightly taller than the average woman and I've Alpha widowed my fair share in my lifetime.

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      [–]TheYoungOwl_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      I just think it's funny how everyone praises and rides the dick of generally undeserving 6ft+ men because they have life on easy mode.

      I'm friends with lots of tall men, I do better than them because their game sucks. Not insecure, just aware of my strengths and weaknesses. Maybe you should stop projecting, just because someone has a flaw doesn't mean they're insecure about it.

      [–]thisornothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That guy still sounds pretty beta. He told her he wanted more than just a hookup, he took her for dinner and then he blocked her on a dating website. Not exactly impressive stuff.

      [–]TheWrathofShane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      TL;DR: The best way to a woman's heart is to act aloof and always demonstrate abundance mentality. Women would rather be a side chick to an alpha male than a main chick to a beta male. If you play hard to get, she'll go crazy for you.

      Yeah you got to have your guard up or you will get freaking destroyed. Its just in my nature to put the pussy on the pedastool, because I am a standup guy. I have noticed since I have my guard up I have been getting more looks.

      I dont want to just use women for sex. Its a religious thing. I do like sex tho, and I feel more justified / better about myself for having premarital sex if I am willing to commit to the girl.

      Thats why I get hurt and destroyed. Last chick I knew she was using me, I thought I could handle it. She is a party girl who puts out over a good time. I am not stupid but I just let her lie to me and didnt call her out on it. I was very surprised at how hurt I got when she finally gave me the "neither of us are ready for a relationship" line. It fucking devastated me.

      It might just be very naive and foolish to even partake in premarital sex. I dont really want to join the game of having all kinds of sex with a bunch of people I barely know. I would be on such terrible terms with the allmighty. But I also dont want to wait for the perfect girl to marry. The middle ground is my strategy, but it might just be trying to have your cake and eat it too.

      It doesnt help that I am not financially successful and have a bus pass. I cant afford kids and I cant afford a high maintenance chick. My time and affection is fucking valuable tho, and I need to have my guard up to not get destroyed from this wicked and adulterous generation.

      [–]asktrpthrow123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Clearly, I am not emotionally wired for casual flings and hookups, but I would like to change that.

      I like how she knows she's not "wired" for being a slut but wants to change that.

      [–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is the new normal its accepted by society for women to give it up on day 1, hour 1 and meeting 1 dont be surprised at this behaviour i know women that cant be left alone for 20mins with a alpha guy.

      [–]iplayhearts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "... it's basically the Metroid Mothership of feminists and fat white knights"

      laughed real loud in the fuckin' library!!!!

      [–]lolligagger3000 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      I don't see the reason to ghost her like that.

      We usually use ghosting as a method to punish a woman for doing something disrespectful, having an annoying attitude more than once, etc. That way she reevaluates what she did wrong and comes again wanting to be apologized.

      That being said: why woulf anyone simply ghost a girl who did nothing wrong? I mean clearly we don't know his side, she probably showed herself as a crazy bitch who wanted anyone who could be her boyfriend but the post makes me think that we should punish all women once we got what we wanted from them.

      [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      We usually use ghosting as a method to punish a woman for doing something disrespectful, having an annoying attitude more than once, etc.

      who's "we"? there's no rule that men should act by. guy felt like pumping and dumping, so he did that. i do that many times myself.

      perhaps the girl was annoying and clingy. who knows.

      there is no reason to hamster why a guy p&d'ed the girl. shit happens.

      [–]lolligagger3000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I put it in the wrong words. I tried to express that in TRP community ghosting is advised to use in a different manner, as I said before, the critic was oriented to the post, not to the example shown.

      [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      i get it. however it all depends on the situation. there are many reasons to ghost someone. perhaps he wasn't into the girl, but was horny and figured he'd hit it. then realized he doesn't want anything to do with her because of her boring personality, etc.

      maybe the sex was boring as fuck and she showed signs of crazy.

      i mean it could be anything. there's no right or wrong here to be honest.

      [–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      They had a transactional relationship for a night. He doesn't owe her anything else.